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#957580 - 09/30/07 06:03 AM Re: Melody, a missing subject
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Cultor, you bring up an interesting idea about our educational disregard these days for the study of melody. I echo what has already been said that perhaps atonalism has brought us to a stage where less attention is given to melody, especially pointalistic styles.


There are different types of traditional melodies.
Some seem to imply harmonies within the melodic lines themselves, and still other melodies that would have no meaning at all without the knowledge of their harmonic accompaniments.

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#957581 - 09/30/07 07:34 AM Re: Melody, a missing subject
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Cultor:
Morodiene:

Are you implying that the mathematical paradigm finally invaded our humanistic, artistic fields?
I would agree on that. We propose a measure, we map, and then we give more importance to the map than to the actual object. We are mapping our world making it a virtual non ethical thing. Somewhere in the future, when the map is complete, or we think it is, we run the risk of forgetting the world as it was.
One more reason of the importance to teach Melody in schools: not to forget our ancient roots.
I will sign with Greenpeace and fight the battle of "You damned! Respect musical ethos ecology!". [/b]
Cultor, real thought provoking stuff here - you're no lightweight!

My thoughts exactly. The overtone series only gives us the octave and fifth. All the other intonations are cultural constructs. If you sight-sing silently to yourself you'll find the leading note is higher on the way up and lower on the way down. All the degrees of the scale, apart from I and V, vary in pitch depending on their function. YES, there is a REAL overtone series but NO we do not experience it. Our experience is called CULTURE. If this is what you mean by the study of melody Cultor, then YES woefully, woefully inadequate provision.
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#957582 - 09/30/07 08:12 AM Re: Melody, a missing subject
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Here are my two cents:

I think the best melodies are the ones with vocal feeling. Harmony can enhance the melody, but good/memorable melodies don't need harmony.

A more interesting debate, in my mind, is melody vs. RHYTHM. I have a colleague who believes rhythm is more important than melody. She would tell me that, in the history of music, rhythm preceded melody. Harmony came much later.

For me, melody and rhythm are of equal importance, with harmony being a distant third.

A great melodic line moves us. Music with interesting rhythm stirs us.
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#957583 - 09/30/07 01:41 PM Re: Melody, a missing subject
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Cultor:
Morodiene:

Are you implying that the mathematical paradigm finally invaded our humanistic, artistic fields?
I would agree on that. We propose a measure, we map, and then we give more importance to the map than to the actual object. We are mapping our world making it a virtual non ethical thing. Somewhere in the future, when the map is complete, or we think it is, we run the risk of forgetting the world as it was.
One more reason of the importance to teach Melody in schools: not to forget our ancient roots.
I will sign with Greenpeace and fight the battle of "You damned! Respect musical ethos ecology!". [/b]
Yes, that is what I'm saying to a degree. However, music is both a left & right brained activity. There is order in music, and it should be that way. The problem is when it becomes dominated by the left-brain that it loses it's expression. It's all about balance, and in my opinion, things are out of balance at this point. I do see the pendulum swinging back the other way, however, in younger pianists.
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#957584 - 10/02/07 09:05 AM Re: Melody, a missing subject
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This discussion clearly shows this is a forum of piano players, as piano is a much more rhytmic and harmonic instrument than any other musical instruments.

I wonder, how did you people first experience music ?
The first thing I heard was of course my mother singing, and the first musical experience my children got was me singing. Since I love the folk tunes that have got a quite free rhytm , the words and melody was all they got.

I hope they learned that words and melody can express your thoughts and feelings more than anything else, I think so, since like every other children they quite soon started to sing themselves... ;\)

Later of course they also discovered rhytm and dancing.

I don't think melody is a missing subject, it is just so natural we tend to forget how important it is.

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