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#962812 - 08/12/07 09:48 PM LVB Opus 31, #1 trill?
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Hi, hope someone can answer this--in the Adagio, if I follow the trill "rules" I should start the first trill on the upper note, D to C (fingering by editor indicates the opposite). The next trill gives a 1-3 fingering, which would leave me to believe the trill would start on the actual note of D, rather than the upper note of E. My teacher agrees that, except when the notes descend, you should always start on the upper note. Has anyone played this or have the answer? Many thanks.
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#962813 - 08/12/07 11:50 PM Re: LVB Opus 31, #1 trill?
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I agree with your teacher. Is'nt that the point of having a teacher so that you have someone to guide you along so just listen.
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#962814 - 08/13/07 01:00 AM Re: LVB Opus 31, #1 trill?
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Originally posted by Amelialw:
I agree with your teacher. Is'nt that the point of having a teacher so that you have someone to guide you along so just listen. [/b]
Yes, but teachers sometimes give the wrong advice, for example, in a prior post re: Waldstein, he advised me to play the trills one way and I was concerned because the edition's diagram did not agree with his advice. I posted my question on the forum here and everyone who responded said he was incorrect. He teaches with a great deal of freedom - I'm used to being trained exactly by the book.
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#962815 - 08/13/07 03:11 AM Re: LVB Opus 31, #1 trill?
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if you're teacher is'nt good then you should find a new one.
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#962816 - 08/13/07 03:54 AM Re: LVB Opus 31, #1 trill?
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I sometimes wonder if ornaments (like trills) are the composer's way of saying, 'try something you like here'. Great comps. could have written something if they wanted too, so using an ornament might mean to try from above, and below, and hear which you like for that particular effect, or that moment.
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#962817 - 08/13/07 01:26 PM Re: LVB Opus 31, #1 trill?
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Originally posted by AlanWass:
I sometimes wonder if ornaments (like trills) are the composer's way of saying, 'try something you like here'. Great comps. could have written something if they wanted too, so using an ornament might mean to try from above, and below, and hear which you like for that particular effect, or that moment. [/b]
Thanks Alan, I guess the confusion also stems from listening to Goode's recording - it really sounds like he's starting dead on the note, and not from above.
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#962818 - 08/13/07 04:09 PM Re: LVB Opus 31, #1 trill?
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FWIW - The Weiner Urtext Edition shows the trill beginning on the tone, not the auxiliary note, as was the Baroque practice, and the suggested fingering is 2-3-2-3-....-2-3-2-1-2-4.
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#962819 - 08/13/07 05:56 PM Re: LVB Opus 31, #1 trill?
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Originally posted by John v.d.Brook:
FWIW - The Weiner Urtext Edition shows the trill beginning on the tone, not the auxiliary note, as was the Baroque practice, and the suggested fingering is 2-3-2-3-....-2-3-2-1-2-4. [/b]
Thanks John! If I were back in college, one of my learned piano profs would have pulled out other editions and had the answer. I truly appreciate it.
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