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#963782 - 06/26/05 08:11 AM Teaching in China
snoopyjin Offline
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Registered: 06/25/05
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if you go through a few chinese piano forum, you may notice that most people focus on beiyer, czerny, hannon, and teachers are suggesting student to progress from beiyer to czerny599, 849 etc. I know many teaching method exists in this subject, but just wander why the whole country only uses one method.

I guess it might be caused by the culture, which respects old or ancient knowledge therefore the old books or methods are better than the new ones.

instead my teacher in britain suggests to learn technique from pieces.

any comment please and welcome (actuall i want ask this question long time ago)

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#963783 - 06/26/05 01:58 PM Re: Teaching in China
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I take it you are from China and are now studying in Britain. The reason the books you mentioned are used--both here in the US and Britain--in China is probably because they are standard works that have proven their staying ability, that is, they have produced positive results. It is rare that one gets everything technically from just pieces. In general, each exercise/piece in those books you mentioned focus on a technical problem and help to resolve it so that when encountered in a composition it facilitates learning it. The playing mechanism--hands, arms, shoulders, wrists--need to have strength, stamina, and endurance for long demanding pieces and concentrated exercises such as those help develop it. Repertoire is equally important to develop musicianship, style, interpretative ability AND technique.

If inventive enough, problems in repertoire can be isolated into exercises and develop the same thing. Teachers sometimes show students ways to make exercises out of the passages and that works too. But just playing repertoire--notice the word 'playing'--probably won't develop technique as much as concentrated exercises.

Just my thoughts on this for you. I hope it helps you understand.

#963784 - 06/26/05 04:11 PM Re: Teaching in China
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my questions are not only about the quality of this method, but also why nearly the whole country's teachers are trying the same method.

anyway, your answer is great and detail.


#963785 - 06/26/05 04:29 PM Re: Teaching in China
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Registered: 10/15/04
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Perhaps China's teachers are not as aware of newer books or there is a standardization of some sort there. They might be following the procedures used for their own instruction rather than trying new and, to them, unproven ways? Just a thought. I've never been to China and have no idea what they use. I did have a student from Taiwan but she was already fairly advanced so we basicly studied repertoire.

#963786 - 06/26/05 11:39 PM Re: Teaching in China
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Loc: LA CA
I was approached about taking my teaching method to China at the request of the Chinese government and a promotional agency two years ago, but did not go. Research from a team here and around the world showed that since China does not honor copyright, authors and creative people do not get paid for their material. I am sure that if China were to honor copyright and that innovators would feel they were being fairly compensated the quality and diversity of the curriculum there would improve greatly.
Rob Mullins
28th album on sale now.

#963787 - 06/27/05 10:42 AM Re: Teaching in China
snoopyjin Offline
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The situation may not be so bad. some people will pay, some don't. giving seminors might be a good way compared to publishing something in terms of protecting copyright.

find a good marketing way in another country is a very challenge thing. for example, western companies always struggle in Japan, since Japanese domestic market are so well protected by their government, media and culture.

anyway, nice to see someone has connections with China.



#963788 - 06/27/05 12:26 PM Re: Teaching in China
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Loc: Dallas, Texas
I think there are limited access in books in China, also a lot of imported books are pre-selected by teh government and authorities, in other words, there aren't many choices available for teachers to try if the barrieres are set.

I also don't think there are too many music publisher companies there in China, they are rather music producation companies that can re-produce what is available, I believe you do have to buy the right to copy things.

When I was growing up there and studying piano, I had Crazney, Hanon, and Thomptson books that everyone piano students purchase, as you get more advanced, you can buy music by Chopin, Mozart, Beethoven....and so on, all of them are copied by chinese companies, you don't see a such as a Helen, Schimmer, or Dover version of them.

#963789 - 06/27/05 02:42 PM Re: Teaching in China
snoopyjin Offline
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i don't agree this, only books about politics are selected, obviously. nothing about piano, music or science.

good to know u living there before


#963790 - 06/27/05 03:58 PM Re: Teaching in China
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No, if you have know a bit more about chinese history, you probably know about the culture revolution, in which all western civilization are banned, that includes literature, music, visual arts, and instruments. During that time, most of the pianos are stored or destroyed under the command of chairman Mao, and as years go by, it rules has loosen some, but during 1960-1975, there are a lot of chinese folk music been written in the style of western harmony, simply becuase they want to creat something that is chinese oriented, and not western.

Throughout the entire chinese history, politics are definitely been watched very carefully, and so are other interlecture subjects, which very much include arts and literature, to certain extended, it is believed that people have more education tend to think more and tend to not follow orders, which create a problem for the goverment.

China today is so much more liberal than before, which to a westerner, it is hard to believe how much regulation used to be there on every subject.

#963791 - 06/28/05 09:44 AM Re: Teaching in China
snoopyjin Offline
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yes, i am only talking about things happening at this moment.

besides, every country has its own dark history, say, middle age. and different civilization does not necessary follow the same route and does the same thing at exactly the same time.

#963792 - 06/28/05 06:02 PM Re: Teaching in China
kimdoan2 Offline
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Registered: 03/04/02
Posts: 41
How popular is Richard Clayderman (?) in China? I have a student who brought in a stack of his music. I don't read Chinese, I can only tell from the cover.

#963793 - 06/29/05 07:00 AM Re: Teaching in China
snoopyjin Offline
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Registered: 06/25/05
Posts: 21
very popular,

sometime, people don't know him, but play his cd in backgroud


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