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#966626 - 01/07/06 10:58 PM Schubert Impromptu Op. 90 No. 3 in G-flat Major
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Registered: 07/15/05
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Loc: Haverhill, Massachusetts
As requested here's a recording of the Impromptu in G-flat.

I honestly don't think it's as good as it could be. I make quite a few errors, and I was experimenting with a new Creative USB-Soundcard thing I purchased for use with my laptop.

This was recording digitally using my Technics SX/PX-667 directly to the soundcard-in a box thing.

Impromptu in Op. 90 No 3 in G-flat by Franz Schubert
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#966627 - 01/08/06 10:47 AM Re: Schubert Impromptu Op. 90 No. 3 in G-flat Major
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I think this is a very musical recording and a good effort overall. The mistakes are not very noticeable unless one listens carefully. Sure, it is not perfect, but no recording ever is anyway. What I liked was the ability to clearly bring out the melody and keep the accompaniment notes soft - a point which is often neglected by many. Your phrasing and rubato was sensible without ever distorting the basic pulse.

What I would really like to hear is to have this on your Vogel. I'm dying to hear what the Vogel sounds like, after your enticing description! \:D
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#966628 - 01/08/06 11:33 AM Re: Schubert Impromptu Op. 90 No. 3 in G-flat Major
John Citron Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Wzkit:
I think this is a very musical recording and a good effort overall. The mistakes are not very noticeable unless one listens carefully. Sure, it is not perfect, but no recording ever is anyway. What I liked was the ability to clearly bring out the melody and keep the accompaniment notes soft - a point which is often neglected by many. Your phrasing and rubato was sensible without ever distorting the basic pulse.

What I would really like to hear is to have this on your Vogel. I'm dying to hear what the Vogel sounds like, after your enticing description! \:D [/b]
Thank you for the compliments. There is more than a fair share of errors in there, but when all is said and done, the recording came out pretty decent.

The hand balance trick is something I worked on with a teacher quite a number of years ago. The thing is to use some arm weight and more curled fingers behind the notes you wish to bring out with less curled and less weight behind the inner voices. This may mean tipping or turning your hand slightly to position the fingers the right way. The arm weight is achieved by staying extremely relaxed, and pushing behind the notes a bit instead of just using finger-force to produce the tone. It's really harder to explain in words then it is to do.

I'll record this on my Vogel soon(tm) after I get some better analog recording equipment.

John
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#966629 - 01/13/06 11:38 AM Re: Schubert Impromptu Op. 90 No. 3 in G-flat Major
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Very nice John!

Finally... to be able to enjoy the pieces you guys are sharing. Been without the mics on the computer for way too long and now got them back working!

What piano did you record this on?

Thanks for sharing,


Roberta
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#966630 - 01/16/06 05:42 PM Re: Schubert Impromptu Op. 90 No. 3 in G-flat Major
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Registered: 12/22/05
Posts: 220
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Ok, the point of these comments is soulely to help you improve so sorry if they're almost all negative.

Objectively:

- Somthing that bugs me a lot, and kept distrupting the magic mood of the piece is the the lower voice of the right hand. Firstly it must be quiter and at the same time with more substance. So that means fingers extra close to keyboard and extra slow movement of the fingers and hand, which would be compensated for by the fingers being closer to the keyboard. This will bring more depth to the harmony. Secondly, the phrasation. You put a CONSTANT accent on the third finger in the lower voice. This kept bugging me the whole way. (nothing i cant do about it, once you're bugged its the whole way \:\( )

- Left hand was approached with the right ideas, but didn't have enough depth and calmness in it(similarly to the lower voice of the right hand).

Subjectively:

- The tempo you chose is too fast in my opinion. The piece was always running instead of flowing.

- You rushed through some of the most beautiful parts of the piece relatively indifferently. For example in minute 2:55.

- The pinky of the right hand did a very nice job for the most part, but of course it was hindered by the lack of depth in the lower voice. Nothing can come alone unfortunately!

As for the other mistakes im sure you're well aware of them just as well as i am \:D and that you will improve them with time and opportunity.

Goodluck,

Inbi

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#966631 - 01/19/06 02:32 PM Re: Schubert Impromptu Op. 90 No. 3 in G-flat Major
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Originally posted by iNBi:
Ok, the point of these comments is soulely to help you improve so sorry if they're almost all negative.

Objectively:

- Somthing that bugs me a lot, and kept distrupting the magic mood of the piece is the the lower voice of the right hand. Firstly it must be quiter and at the same time with more substance. So that means fingers extra close to keyboard and extra slow movement of the fingers and hand, which would be compensated for by the fingers being closer to the keyboard. This will bring more depth to the harmony. Secondly, the phrasation. You put a CONSTANT accent on the third finger in the lower voice. This kept bugging me the whole way. (nothing i cant do about it, once you're bugged its the whole way \:\( )

- Left hand was approached with the right ideas, but didn't have enough depth and calmness in it(similarly to the lower voice of the right hand).

Subjectively:

- The tempo you chose is too fast in my opinion. The piece was always running instead of flowing.

- You rushed through some of the most beautiful parts of the piece relatively indifferently. For example in minute 2:55.

- The pinky of the right hand did a very nice job for the most part, but of course it was hindered by the lack of depth in the lower voice. Nothing can come alone unfortunately!

As for the other mistakes im sure you're well aware of them just as well as i am \:D and that you will improve them with time and opportunity.

Goodluck,

Inbi [/b]
Thank you for the critque. Yes I am aware of many of these issues. This is a recording I did about a year or mor ago, and many of the things you pointed out have been corrected. I agree that the tempo was too fast, and I have since slowed it down since then.

One of the other issues such as incorrectly accented notes, is caused by a physical problem I have. My muscles lock and hesitate causing unwanted accents, broken phrases, and other unwanted artifacts in the music. This recording was made before being given Sinemet 100/25 (Leva-dopa/Carbidol), which has helped a lot, and hopefully I will have a better recording of this in the future.

John
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#966632 - 01/19/06 02:54 PM Re: Schubert Impromptu Op. 90 No. 3 in G-flat Major
John Citron Offline
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Loc: Haverhill, Massachusetts
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Originally posted by lilylady:
Very nice John!

Finally... to be able to enjoy the pieces you guys are sharing. Been without the mics on the computer for way too long and now got them back working!

What piano did you record this on?

Thanks for sharing,


Roberta [/b]
Thank you Roberta.

This was recorded 100% digitally from a digital piano to my computer. I used the audio-out plugs and connected a cable to the line-in on my PC. The advantage of this is no outside noise like my parrots. The disadvantage is having to play on the digital piano.

I just purchased a microphone so I can record my new Vogel 177T.

John
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Schubert: Sonata B-flat Opus Posth.
Bach: French Suite No. 6

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#966633 - 01/19/06 04:26 PM Re: Schubert Impromptu Op. 90 No. 3 in G-flat Major
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Registered: 12/22/05
Posts: 220
Loc: Switzerland
Its no problem mate, happy if i helped.

One thing which might help as far as muscular action is concerned (and in many other aspects too) is breathing properly. This piece is a perfect example of a moment of music of patience and calmness. You're breathing should come hand to hand with the slow phrases. What you will find is that the fingers tend to rejuvenate better as you're breathing, and so you're more able to go from the beginning to end of a phrase without irregularities. Try slowly at first, if you haven't already tried this. This is somthing that, like the pedal for example, needs to come naturally and it's neglected by many pianists including myself.

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#966634 - 01/20/06 01:58 PM Re: Schubert Impromptu Op. 90 No. 3 in G-flat Major
John Citron Offline
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Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 3924
Loc: Haverhill, Massachusetts
 Quote:
Originally posted by iNBi:
Its no problem mate, happy if i helped.

One thing which might help as far as muscular action is concerned (and in many other aspects too) is breathing properly. This piece is a perfect example of a moment of music of patience and calmness. You're breathing should come hand to hand with the slow phrases. What you will find is that the fingers tend to rejuvenate better as you're breathing, and so you're more able to go from the beginning to end of a phrase without irregularities. Try slowly at first, if you haven't already tried this. This is somthing that, like the pedal for example, needs to come naturally and it's neglected by many pianists including myself. [/b]
The breathing does help!

I've sent you a PM...

John
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Schubert: Sonata B-flat Opus Posth.
Bach: French Suite No. 6

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#966635 - 02/11/06 03:34 PM Re: Schubert Impromptu Op. 90 No. 3 in G-flat Major
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Registered: 06/02/05
Posts: 847
Loc: Tucson Arizona
I was cleaning off my desktop and found this. I apparently downloaded this recording and forgot about it. Anyway, I just now listened and thought it was great. Nice job John. I've always loved this piece.
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