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#976738 - 01/16/09 09:17 AM Would you call me crazy if...
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...I told you that only after 2 months of playing the piano I've decided (yesterday, actually) to learn "La valse D'Amelie" by Yann Tiersen? Do you know what that is \:\) ? No? Take a look - here (it's one of the best played on YT)
Well, anyways I'm SO fascinated by this song, it's amazing, and I just want to play it \:\) ! I hope I can do it in a few months. I consider myself stubborn \:\) . But do YOU think I can do it? By the way I'm self taught, if I went to a teacher and say "teach me this" would they?
Oh I almost can play the slow intro part already... But the fast part... Gosh \:\) , I can only play two first bars only with my RH, or LH (seperately), or very slowly with both.
I'm thinking that this could be something like last year when I was learning to play the guitar, for example I thought it would take me about few months to learn the bar chords, but it turned out pretty easy. Or there would be a piece I'd like and think "gosh, this is so difficult" but then try it and learn it quicker than expected. Can this be similar?
I also have a few questions:
Where do I use the sustain pedal?
And take a look at the first two bars of the quick part (and notice HOW quick it is - 150 bpm!)

but my question is can I ignore the two voices? I mean not hold those dotted half notes while playing the quarter notes. I'm thinking no, but maybe I'm wrong...
And any kind of advice is appreciated!

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#976739 - 01/16/09 09:53 AM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Hi Evaldas

You should be able to hold the dotted half notes with the pedal.
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#976740 - 01/16/09 09:54 AM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Wonderful beautiful piece, but the middle section will be tough. Good luck...

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#976741 - 01/16/09 10:03 AM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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I believe you can do you it if YOU believe you can do it

Remeber you don't have to play it at full speed right from the start. Slow it down to a pace you are comfortable with until you can play it correctly then speed it up.

Let us know of your progress \:\)
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#976742 - 01/16/09 10:10 AM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Oh thank you! Yeah, I'm trying to play it slowly \:\) . And I will let you know how it goes!

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#976743 - 01/16/09 10:19 AM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Evaldas,

For the left hand, try playing the D with your 5th finger and the chords with 4-2-1 or 3-2-1, which ever is easier for you.


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#976744 - 01/16/09 10:23 AM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Well good thing is that I have it WITH the fingering indicated ;\)

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#976745 - 01/16/09 12:10 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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By the way should I learn it first each hand seperately? Or not..?

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#976746 - 01/16/09 12:31 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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It doesnt matter if you are goint to hold pedal for entire measure. Although this is called cheating \:\)

In case you won't hold pedal, then you have to hold this note \:\)

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#976747 - 01/16/09 12:45 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Am I being dim here or in the RH, is that dotted crotchet/quarter-note tied until bar two a bit weird... There are two 'voices' in the RH but only half one is written in, in the first bar...?
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#976748 - 01/16/09 01:02 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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In the first dotted half D note is hidden under a D eighth. In the second a dotted quarter D and C. And I have no idea what that slur/tie is doing there \:D , it shouldn't be there, hehe!

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#976749 - 01/16/09 01:16 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Perhaps there another tied dotted D missing in bar 1...
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#976750 - 01/16/09 01:42 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Hmmm I wonder if its supposed to be played in the way a grace not would (the D in the second measureI mean).
This is when it's good to have a teacher or a friends who plays that can show you how to do it...
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#976751 - 01/16/09 01:59 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Hi Kymber - I think it's just coincidence that the two voices have the same note, so they are written next to eachother - as I see it the problem (if there is one at all) is in bar one - not all of the melody voice is written in, or at least that's how it seems to me; there are 4 voices - 3 are complete one is just half a bar (in bar 1)...
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#976752 - 01/16/09 02:14 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Ahaaaa! I see.
Thanks for the explanation
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#976753 - 01/16/09 03:27 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Here's taken right from the original score ;\)

By the way am I doing a big 'crime' \:\) , if instead of (LH) F-4 A-2 D-1 I use F-4 A-3 D-1?

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#976754 - 01/16/09 09:09 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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OK, that is quite a bit different. With this version, you would play the D a second time on the second measure.

If 4 3 1 is more comfortable for you, there is no problems with making that type of a change. I would probably look ahead and see if there is any other reason for the 4 2 1 though.

If you do hold the d's (especially in the left hand) be very aware of any extra tension.

Rich
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#976755 - 01/17/09 03:51 AM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Tension? You mean it may hurt?

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#976756 - 01/17/09 06:58 AM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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You hold the dotted half D the entire measure or just until the first chord?

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#976757 - 01/17/09 07:08 AM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Now I hold it the whole measure.
By the way I still don't understand how to use that pedal...

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#976758 - 01/17/09 12:56 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Is this piece for beginner, intermediate or advanced?

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#976759 - 01/17/09 03:02 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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 Quote:
Originally posted by jumbojoey:
You hold the dotted half D the entire measure or just until the first chord? [/b]
Whole measure.

This piece is probaly for a "late begginer".

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#976760 - 01/17/09 03:04 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Evaldas:
Now I hold it the whole measure.
By the way I still don't understand how to use that pedal... [/b]
I strongly suggest you to learn this piece without pedal first, and add it later when you will be able to play it well.

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#976761 - 01/17/09 03:34 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
Evaldas Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by GreenRain:
This piece is probaly for a "late begginer".
Seriously "late beginner" ? Then how does an "advanced" look like \:\) ?

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#976762 - 01/17/09 03:44 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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 Quote:
Originally posted by GreenRain:
 Quote:
Originally posted by jumbojoey:
You hold the dotted half D the entire measure or just until the first chord? [/b]
Whole measure.

This piece is probaly for a "late begginer". [/b]
It depends on what guidelines you are using for judging "levels." If you ask 5 piano teachers about levels, you may get 10 different answers. \:D

Here's the sheet music from SheetMusicPlus.com. They rate it as a 5 (Intermediate).

http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_...ts+Item-_-Title

I would push it more towards late intermediate, because if you play it as written you are playing four notes at a time with your left hand, two with your right all with an octave stretch.

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#976763 - 01/17/09 03:53 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Late intermediate? No way!

Pieces like Rondo alla turca are considered as a late intermediate, so this piece i can be early intermediate, but certanly not late.

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#976764 - 01/18/09 07:24 AM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Evaldas:
Here's taken right from the original score ;\)

By the way am I doing a big 'crime' \:\) , if instead of (LH) F-4 A-2 D-1 I use F-4 A-3 D-1? [/b]
The fingering you describe, 4-3-1 for F-A-D is very awkward, so I would definitely recommend that you not use it.

Getting used to correct fingering is extremely important.

It's much better to use the indicated fingering, 4-2-1, or 3-2-1, if you want.

Are you holding down the D with your 5th finger as you play the chords?

Mel
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#976765 - 01/18/09 07:36 AM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Well actually yesterday I started using the EXACT fingering as indicated ;\) .
Yep I'm using the two voices, I mean I hold the D's with my 5 fingers.

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#976766 - 01/18/09 09:27 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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I'm very excited that I read this thread. I've just bought a piano and am restarting after 15 years away. I listened to the post of La Valse d'Amelie that you put into your OP and absolutely loved it. I then did a search and have ended up buying two books of Yann Tiersen music to learn. It is really beautiful. Thanks for introducing it to me (and when they get here I'll have to re-read this thread for all of the suggestions!)

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#976767 - 01/19/09 08:25 AM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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^ Fantastic. \:\)

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#976768 - 01/20/09 01:01 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Hey do you think if I learn this piece "mechanically" (as I'm learning now) is it gonna make me a better piano player?
By the way I'm now getting very optimistic, and I don't think that I'm gonna need a few months, anymore \:\) ...

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#976769 - 01/20/09 06:14 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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I downloaded this today and must say its a great sounding piece. Its on my to do list...

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#976770 - 01/21/09 11:10 AM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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This is a great piece! Let us know how it goes! Whether it's later beginner or intermediate, it sure looks and sounds impressive!

I can't believe this composer is so young or that this was done for a movie... By listening to the piece you'd think he was one of the great romantics.

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#976771 - 01/24/09 11:23 AM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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Hey! As few people asked me to tell how I am doing, so I can already play ~67 bars of ~150, I can play them normally, though of course a bit insonsistant sometimes. Bar 67 means that I've already learnt one quick part, and I'm working on the other, which if you watched the video starts at about 01:20, the part where your left hand starts to "run" across the keyboard, it's not hard actually, I can play a small bit of it. I'm getting pretty optimistic, I think I'll need just another 2-3 weeks to finish... And I'm already looking at "Comptine d'un autre ete : l'apres-midi" also by Yann Tiersen, because it's gonna be next one \:\) !

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#976772 - 01/24/09 06:05 PM Re: Would you call me crazy if...
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That's awesome! So you got me hooked on this song after reading all the posts and getting the Amelie soundtrack. After spending a few days on it (including some 6 hours straight on Thursday!) I can get through the first two pages without stumbling too much. It is fun to play! It just seems to keep building on itself so once you get the basic chord changes down it seems to keep going. I've only been playing piano a few weeks, so I love being able to play such a fun-sounding piece already! I just hope I don't have too much tension in my wrists with those long octave stretches.

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