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#2167920 - 10/18/13 12:01 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Hadn't noticed that specifically, but it certainly makes sense that he'd be heavily influenced by their works and some similarities would show up.

Just stopping in to acknowledge the 164th anniversary of his death-day.

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#2167925 - 10/18/13 12:14 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Elene]
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Originally Posted By: Elene
Hadn't noticed that specifically, but it certainly makes sense that he'd be heavily influenced by their works and some similarities would show up.

Just stopping in to acknowledge the 164th anniversary of his death-day.

Elene

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#2168615 - 10/19/13 05:49 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Hello all! Sorry I seemed to have run away. If I could be honest, I get a little nervous when I post stuff on the internet, it's kind of my first time doing this kind of thing. II'm a little shy so you don't know how many times I've gone over my post to make sure their perfect...me and my paranoid self...

Elene: "And please, I beg you-- don't write a story about Chopin's life till you really feel you understand something about him. So much crap has been written about him already, and he doesn't deserve that."

I agree, I hope if I ever did I'd want do him justice. But I'm still in very young and I have a lot to learn about writing in general. And in regard to the researching (the most important aspect of writing) I'd say I have barely scratched the surface. The story I did for senior project didn't turn out so well. I'm notorious for not finishing stories, my biggest enemy. It was a real struggle to finish. I can't say I'm glad at the finished product, I had to cut it short for time, there was so many things I wanted to add to it, but it probably would have been unnecessary, too complicated. For the time being I plan to keep it in a cabinet somewhere and pull it out later when I'm a more experienced writer and have more research under my belt. Well...there I go rambling again.*rolls eyes*

I've been skimming this thread and came across some discussion of Sand but have not yet found yours I'll go back and find it.
I can't wait until the index is up and running, though I done with the story, its just fun reading about this interesting person whose music I've grown to love.

Thanks for your reply!

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#2168627 - 10/19/13 06:05 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: -Frycek]
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Thank you for taking the time to respond, like I've said before I'm a little nervous posting things on the internet, which I guess is the major reason why I seemed to run off. I remember reading somewhere that Chopin didn't teach beginners, I can only imagine why, being a beginner myself...
The reason why I asked about his love of children though is I've dreamed up his personified works running around his house doing God knows what, I'm such a terrible person for putting him through all that chaos!

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#2168630 - 10/19/13 06:09 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: WesCraven]
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Originally Posted By: WesCraven
...you don't know how many times I've gone over my post to make sure their perfect...

Oh, the irony. grin
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#2168632 - 10/19/13 06:13 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I was surfing the net the other day and came across and instance where Chopin was being a little funny! I can't find the article in a series of Chopin episodes I've read through (http://www.radiochopin.org/welcome), but the story goes that he fished a wedding ring out of powder as a game, anyone else heard this strange tale before

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#2168770 - 10/20/13 03:22 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: WesCraven]
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Originally Posted By: WesCraven
I remember reading somewhere that Chopin didn't teach beginners, I can only imagine why, being a beginner myself...
He certainly did. Started them on the B scale.

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#2169089 - 10/20/13 07:39 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Chopin stated that he didn't teach children or beginners (I don't remember where, would have to find that)-- but he did teach Solange Sand when she was young. He mainly taught quite advanced students. Some were teens, but not really children. The fact that he advocated starting on a scale with black keys in the middle, as I think he wrote about in his sketch for a method book, does not mean that he was working students who had no playing experience whatsoever. Often one has to do quite a lot of rehabilitation with advanced students. Many of us here have probably been through that either as students or as teachers, or perhaps both.

I've heard the ring story. It's hard to imagine someone managing it, even with a nose like Chopin's! Chopin was known as a wit, though, and for him to be funny was not at all unusual. WesCraven, you may know about his Victor Borge-like comedy act at the piano.

It's worth it to keep trying to write even if one is not necessarily satisfied with the finished product. After all, many if not most artists are dissatisfied with their work on a regular basis. Certainly Chopin often had trouble feeling positive about his works– which he did occasionally speak of as his children. One has to keep at it anyway in order to have any hope of improvement.

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#2169132 - 10/20/13 09:11 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I play a half-dozen of Chopin's simpler pieces/etudes/preludes...

He's a sadist.

Every piece looks so simple on the eyes. I look at his simple and intermediate stuff with delight. I hear it and it is incredibly expressive and beautiful. Then I put my hands down and play them.

Usually the first so-many bars lure you in with seductive simplicity. Then he throws in a few zingers--bars which are beasts to play--and you wonder what that cock was doing that for! Next, I realize that no matter how many times I play, those difficult bars aren't going much easier. After playing the pieces a few hundred times, I've tackled the difficult bars... only to find that I can't get my mind around memorizing his stuff!

He created piano to torture others. I've never seen another composer like him in that regard.
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#2169143 - 10/20/13 09:30 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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LOL Rusty! Have you tried Beehoven's Hammerklavier sonata? I've read that is one of the, if not the most challenging compositions for piano.
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#2169156 - 10/20/13 10:01 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I often say to myself while practicing, only half joking, "Chopin is a cruel man." I've learned that if a piece seems easy at first, I am missing something!

But the "torture" is well worth finding one's way through.

I'm terrible at memorizing music anyway, but my teacher says that it's typical to have trouble memorizing Chopin. It's because he keeps changing things all the time, altering a passage just a bit each time it repeats, so that you have trouble remembering which was which. It's part of his charm, though.

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#2169174 - 10/20/13 10:41 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Maybe it is just tough love! smile
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#2169194 - 10/20/13 11:31 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: EdwardianPiano]
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LOL Rusty! Have you tried Beehoven's Hammerklavier sonata? I've read that is one of the, if not the most challenging compositions for piano.

That is the one piece I always procrastinate about. Every year I tell myself, "I will learn Opus 106 this year," and then I never quite get around to it. ha

It's an amazing work. The fugue is to die for, and if you try to play it then you very well might. grin
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#2169608 - 10/21/13 04:11 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Polyphonist]
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LOL Rusty! Have you tried Beehoven's Hammerklavier sonata? I've read that is one of the, if not the most challenging compositions for piano.

That is the one piece I always procrastinate about. Every year I tell myself, "I will learn Opus 106 this year," and then I never quite get around to it. ha

It's an amazing work. The fugue is to die for, and if you try to play it then you very well might. grin


Well there are worse ways to die... ha
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#2173832 - 10/29/13 04:14 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Rusty Fortysome]
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I've been exploring a very contrapuntal mazurka, 50/3, in the past week, and can concur with Rusty:

Originally Posted By: Rusty Fortysome

Every piece looks so simple on the eyes.
....

Usually the first so-many bars lure you in with seductive simplicity. Then he throws in a few zingers--bars which are beasts to play--


(Not that EVERY piece looks so simple, not by a long shot! But many are quite deceptive that way.)

With regard to our discussions of the exact "right" tempi for certain pieces, check this out:
"Your tempo request is under review"

The day before yesterday I saw a dance performance choreographed by UNM students. Some wonderful works. The last piece, "Ash," used 48/1 for its second half (with something by Arvo Part for the first). The piece was a tale of war, death, destruction, and despair. I didn't think 48/1 worked at all well in this context. Although it is deeply brooding, it seems to me that triumph and enlightenment shine through it as well. The choreographer didn't use it that way. A worthwhile effort, though– and another example of Chopin showing up everywhere.

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#2184290 - 11/18/13 01:33 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Polish food porn


I never knew there was an edible form of mazurka.

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#2185133 - 11/19/13 01:36 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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The mazurka looks very artistic! Not one dish I could eat there I'm afraid, being almost vegan and having wheat, diary, egg and sugar intolerances. It's all German rye bread, spelt bread, salads, honey, fruit, oat crumbles and flapjacks, vegetables, pulses and some vegeterian feta cheese for me! The borsht without any cream and meat would be tempting tho- I love beetroot.


Edited by EdwardianPiano (11/19/13 01:37 PM)
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#2185207 - 11/19/13 03:26 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Does anybody know that Chopin stole the first two bars of the theme of the last movement of the B minor sonata from something else? I just discovered this the other day. laugh
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#2185251 - 11/19/13 04:28 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I'm trying the mazurka (though obtaining the blueberry vodka is problematic)
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#2185261 - 11/19/13 04:37 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I hope you manage to get it Frycek! You will have to post of a picture of it when you have baked it!


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#2185333 - 11/19/13 06:44 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: EdwardianPiano]
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I hope you manage to get it Frycek! You will have to post of a picture of it when you have baked it!


I'll try.. My baked goods are not usually very photogenic.
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#2186233 - 11/21/13 10:11 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Well if it is tasty the effort will be all worth it Frycek!
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#2199049 - 12/17/13 10:35 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Edited by -Frycek (12/17/13 08:34 PM)

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#2199076 - 12/17/13 11:34 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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For everyone's information, the forum recital of the complete Chopin Mazurkas has just gone live on Pianist Corner. smile
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#2201905 - 12/23/13 01:49 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I haven't been here in quite a while, and I'm very excited to hear that the mazurka recital is available now! I hope I can find it. If not, I'll ask for a link.

For Polyphonist's question from November: No, I didn't know that Chopin stole anything for the B minor sonata. What was it stolen from?

For EdwardianPiano and anyone else who likes beets: I used to make barszcz regularly with potatoes and cabbage as well as beets, but now that my mother is on Coumadin, she can't have that. I tried making a very simple barszcz czerwony by putting 2 cans of plain and 1 can of pickled beets in the blender with a little onion, garlic, marjoram, and pepper. It comes out surprisingly delicious. If you like it more sour, as my mother does, use 1 to 1 plain and pickled beets.

This seems sort of like cheating, but then, it leaves more time for practicing!

Going to make some Slovak-style kolachi today, can't remember what they call it in Poland but I think they have similar stuff. I guess I can listen to the mazurka recital while working on that.

Happy holidays,

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#2201980 - 12/23/13 05:29 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Polyphonist]
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To introduce a new topic, has anyone ever noticed how many instances there are of marked similarities between the music of Chopin and that of Bach, Beethoven, or Mozart? The theme of Chopin's Opus 28/24 and Beethoven's Opus 57, to name just one.


Beethoven's Funeral March Sonata Op.26 A-flat major 3rd movement and Chopin's Op.10 No.12.
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#2202368 - 12/24/13 12:43 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Elene]
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For Polyphonist's question from November: No, I didn't know that Chopin stole anything for the B minor sonata. What was it stolen from?

See recent threads on the Pianist Corner. Or look in Mendelssohn's SWW 19/6 and see what you find. grin
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#2208990 - 01/05/14 10:14 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I was at, um, another website, and they have free PDFs of the Fantaisie-Impromptu in both versions. They say that their members' favorite composer is Chopin. No surprise, right?

Fantaisie-Impromptu downloads

On the same page you can find an "instructive" version of the E minor prelude. One might or might not agree with the instructions.

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#2208998 - 01/05/14 10:31 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I need to ask of you people...

I saw an upload. It was a Chopin piece. Rather bluesy.
Bear in mind. I don't have to have the blues style to have the blues. I think the play: Les Miserables is full of blues songs. It's something that comes from the heart. Not necessarily a style.
I have been unable to find it again. No big deal. Can you all point me toward other Chopin pieces that I would consider Bluesy? The commenter said there are many Chopin pieces like this. I could get into Chopin if so.
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#2209032 - 01/05/14 11:12 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I'm a bit lost. What does Bluesy mean?
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