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#990971 - 06/30/08 05:45 PM
Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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I cant seem to remember what it means, if I ever knew. Sorry if this is covered somewhere else. The note that the letter c is over is an f.
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#990972 - 06/30/08 05:55 PM
Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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Welcome to the forums! Do you refer to this?  If so, this is a common time signature equal to 4/4 time signature. More on time signatures here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature Best regards, M.
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#990973 - 06/30/08 06:02 PM
Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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I'm thinking Slowbiefatwanna (thank the designer of copy/paste!) might be referring to the bass clef sign. The "C" with the two dots. The line between the two dots is an "F" note. [edit] well, backwards C type thing  [/edit] well, edit again... OK, he might be referring to that Common Time (aka 4/4 time signature now that I read the question again. I really should read things more carefully.
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#990974 - 06/30/08 06:12 PM
Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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If it's *over* a note, could it be a C that's turned in its side face down - a fermata*? (Looks like a round eyebrow with a dot in the middle). If so, that means you hold the note.
[*wrong term corrected in post-edit]
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#990975 - 06/30/08 06:43 PM
Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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I wish i could scan this in for you all to see, but its not a time sig ,, it is over the -top- of the treble clef,, not at the beginning.
if it is a tenuto, that would explain it for the c,, thanks, but on the next phrase there is an F over the top of the treble clef, in the same spot where the c was for the first phrase.. Sorry to be a pain, im only 1 month into this. I took lessons as a child for like 2 minutes,lol.
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#990976 - 06/30/08 06:48 PM
Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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I put the question on yahoo answers too, there is two answers to it, both of them said it is a chord sign, top let me know what chords go well with that section of melody. Does that sound right?
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#990977 - 06/30/08 06:48 PM
Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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This is intriguing. What is the name of the piece? Is there a key signature (grouped sharps or flats in the beginning)? Is this from a method book or what kind of source? I'm wondering whether they're indicating chords or the key, or a modulation and not using the regular signs.
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#990978 - 06/30/08 06:49 PM
Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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It seems it might be a chord if it is over the treble staff. Having F afterwards can only further that possibility.
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#990980 - 06/30/08 06:54 PM
Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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Originally posted by keystring:  If it's *over* a note, could it be a C that's turned in its side face down - a tenuto? (Looks like a round eyebrow with a dot in the middle). If so, that means you hold the note. [/b] Keystring, The "eyebrow with a dot in the middle" is actually called a fermata. A tenuto is a horizontal dash you put over or under a note to indicate a slight accent.
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#990981 - 06/30/08 07:08 PM
Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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A tenuto is a horizontal dash you put over or under a note to indicate a slight accent. [/QB]
Oops, thanks.  I think I've mixed up those names before. What is the meaning of the word "fermata"? It seems to mean to "close" something, so you don't think if it as "holding" a note. Or does this have to do with the way it's used in Bach chorales, for example, where it seems to close or end a phrase?
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#990982 - 06/30/08 07:11 PM
Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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The piece is "Day Tripper" and yes there is a d7 and e7 and then a c again for the last phrase,,, heheh . Looks like we have an answer. Thank you all very much. Now if I can just get the rhythm
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#990984 - 06/30/08 07:52 PM
Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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Originally posted by keystring: A tenuto is a horizontal dash you put over or under a note to indicate a slight accent. [/b]
Oops, thanks.  I think I've mixed up those names before. What is the meaning of the word "fermata"? It seems to mean to "close" something, so you don't think if it as "holding" a note. Or does this have to do with the way it's used in Bach chorales, for example, where it seems to close or end a phrase? [/QB] I have several pieces with fermata. I believe it means to hold the note or chord in question for a longer time than one would do normally based on the duration of the notes. The performer can AFAIK hold the note as long as desired.
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#990985 - 06/30/08 07:53 PM
Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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Originally posted by keystring:  [QUOTE] What is the meaning of the word "fermata"? It seems to mean to "close" something, so you don't think if it as "holding" a note. [/b] Simply "pause". Doesn't fermare mean "stop" in Italian?
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#990987 - 06/30/08 08:08 PM
Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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THanks, Currawong. I was after the Italian meaning and maybe a clue as to why that word has been chosen for the musical action indicated by the fermata sign. You see, I keep mixing up the term and calling it "tenuto" because that Italian word means "to hold", and when I first encountered the symbol I learned it meant to "hold" the note or rest. I made the mistake again today.
Babelfish says "fermare" = "to stop" and "fermata" = "stopped". So is the fermata sign also related to stopping, or do we create a feeling of stopping? "Pause" as you've defined it gives that idea of stopping and I like it better than "holding the rest/note" if that's so. It might help fix the name of the term in my mind.
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#990988 - 06/30/08 09:23 PM
Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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Hi all, Below is a link to the most complete Internet dictionary of musical terms and symbols I've come across. Perhaps you'll all find it as informative as I find it. Immediately to the right of "Z" you will find "Symbols". One can search alphabetically or by symbol. I think it's a fantastic resource. Many terms are displayed in more than one language. http://www.dolmetsch.com/musicalsymbols.htm Regards, Lisztener
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#990989 - 07/01/08 04:29 AM
Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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Thank you, Lisztener - that link is invaluable as a resource.
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#990991 - 07/01/08 03:29 PM
Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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Grazie, Alessandro. (Don't know if I spelled that right). I'm glad I asked the question because the idea of it being a pause makes a lot more musical sense than "note/rest being held". Corona does seem logical.
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#990993 - 07/09/08 02:38 PM
Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?
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