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#998288 - 11/25/07 10:30 AM Question for Betty (or anyone with the answer)
gmm1 Offline
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Registered: 06/03/06
Posts: 1674
Loc: Spokane WA
Betty,

I have finally reached the point where I want to start playing trills. I am reworking Minuet in G by Bach/Petzold and the first trill on the C shows to be played with 32nd notes for C B then 16th for the return to C, then on with the piece.

When I listen to recordings, it sure sounds like 4 notes are being played, sounds so much better then what I am doing.

Also, the fingering above the notes show 212 and below the note 121. Not that I'm confused or anything, but HUH?

This is from the copy from www.musicnotes.com .
On the copy from OP-111.com it shows fingering of 321......double huh?????

Help.....Mike
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"There is nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself." Johann Sebastian Bach/Gyro

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#998289 - 11/25/07 12:25 PM Re: Question for Betty (or anyone with the answer)
Betty Patnude Offline
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Registered: 06/11/07
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Loc: Puyallup, Washington
gmm1,

My first response to you here is that you Google: Ornaments in Bach and a lot comes up. I chose 3 to show you here, thinking that you will benefit from having fuller information than just the "fix" you want for the piece in question. These are good things to have in resource form and to read them over time.

1) Bach Music Manuscript Natation

http://www.iment.com/maida/familytree/henry/music/bachnotation.htm#o1


2) Bach's Ornaments: A Lecture Performance $18.00 CD (includes shipping/handling)
To commemorate the 250th anniversary of Johann Sebastian Bach's death, keyboardist/scholar Carol Lems-Dworkin of Evanston, Illinois, has released an unusual new CD called, Bach's Ornaments: A Lecture Performance.

http://lemsdworkin.com/bach.html

3) Baroque Ornaments (Specifics on Bach Ornaments) (Martha Beth Lewis - website)

www.serve.com/marbeth/baroque_ornaments.html

4) Outside of your specific question: If you haven't been to Martha Beth Lewis's website you should go! Full of info from student's point of view, child - adult, parents, and teachers point of view. Dr. Lewis has everything.

Look at it and see what you think. We can discuss the piece also, but I want you to pick up the ball first. OK?

Betty

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#998290 - 11/26/07 01:55 AM Re: Question for Betty (or anyone with the answer)
Betty Patnude Offline
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Registered: 06/11/07
Posts: 4896
Loc: Puyallup, Washington
gmm1,

In addition to posting here again, I e-mailed you so please take a look at you PMs.

I'd like to invite other teachers and pianists who are familiar with the piece mentioned to reply to the question you asked.

I was not able to access the piece in mind from the link.

I felt you might not mind having some resources on the subject so I responded that way, but I'm sure you really would prefer a "quick" answer and be on your way.

Let us know when something comes forth that helps you with the trill.

Betty

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#998291 - 11/28/07 09:12 AM Re: Question for Betty (or anyone with the answer)
gmm1 Offline
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Registered: 06/03/06
Posts: 1674
Loc: Spokane WA
Hey Betty, thanks so much. I got it figured out (or is that fingered out?).

The 321 also makes sense now. I took your advice and made a minor change that works for me. Who knew fingering was just a suggestion, anyway? Just kidding....

Can't thank you enough....
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"There is nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself." Johann Sebastian Bach/Gyro

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#998292 - 11/28/07 09:18 AM Re: Question for Betty (or anyone with the answer)
Donna R. Offline
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Registered: 01/26/07
Posts: 794
Betty, I just wanted to thank you for posting those links. I asked Santa to order a copy of the CD for me \:D .

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#998293 - 11/28/07 01:09 PM Re: Question for Betty (or anyone with the answer)
Betty Patnude Offline
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Registered: 06/11/07
Posts: 4896
Loc: Puyallup, Washington
Ho, Ho, Ho,

Santa should be nice to you this year, Donna. Make the list a little longer, he'll go for it, cause I think you very high on his "Nice List"?

When we find something good to share, I think it needs to go around to others, don't you? (Like keeping a ball in play in volleyball.)

Glad to hear you got something useful to you.

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