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#604822 04/24/06 11:42 AM
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Hi, I started practising this piece since a month. I am still working in the first and second movement. But I was wondering how is it going to be the fugue part, since I have very little experience in fugue pieces.

I think that all the other parts I can handdle pretty well
Thanks Julio

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The fugues are wonderful! Very different from Bach fugues, but similar in the need to bring out the separate melodies in each of the lines.

I just played through the last movement of this sonata, and found the intro to and section between the fugues more difficult because of the constant changes in the left-hand chords.

The coda is great fun, sort of like riding a rocking horse.

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There's a book:

Cockshoot\'s Beethoven Fugue Book

Will it help? confused


There is no end of learning. -Robert Schumann Rules for Young Musicians
#604825 04/25/06 08:54 AM
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For some reason, I don't think you should just go and tackle the opus 110 fugue if you don't have fugal experience.


"Beauty is unbearable, drives us to despair, offering us for a minute the glimpse of an eternity that we should like to stretch out over the whole of time."

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Originally posted by L'echange:
For some reason, I don't think you should just go and tackle the opus 110 fugue if you don't have fugal experience.
I second it.

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Sorry to disagree. If you don't try to play it, then you will continue to have no fugal experience!

Nothing to lose.... just have fun and enjoy the music.

-merlin

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Originally posted by L'echange:
For some reason, I don't think you should just go and tackle the opus 110 fugue if you don't have fugal experience.
In 1966 I went to a recital in Washington DC with Joao Carlos Martins playing Bach. At intermission, an ill-tempered old man (perhaps younger than I am now) complained that he didn't like Martins playing so much Bach. He felt that it was pretentious.

Who was he, I asked myself, to decide someone shouldn't play a piece? I felt then, and now, that if a musician plays a piece that anyone feels is inappropriate in any way, nothing bad happens. Nobody dies, gets limbs broken, or suffers in any way except for lost time or money, and that's a risk one knowingly takes in going to a performance.

If Opus 110 appeals, charge on in! You'll probably find unexpected difficulty, but what the hay...


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I agree. You should try what you want within reason. I feel that if you aren't experienced in the 'art of fugue', you could grow more by learning and finishing 2-3 easier Fugues of Bach than by going halfway into Opus 110 only to quit.

Trying pieces that arent within your reach is a great experience. I used to go around trying to learn Beethoven's late sonatas and the Rachmaninoff sonatas... then it occured to me that I would grow more if I actually FINISHED something smile

To me, growing as a musician is like playing with building blocks. I plan on playing opus 110, but I feel like learning other Beethoven sonatas, Bach Fugues, other things, and growing as a musician in general will help build the ladder ( of building blocks ) I would use to reach the great fugue of opus 110.

Every piece of music I have played serves not only as great music, but also as a building block to reach my next goal. When I say out of reach, I mean literally. I can't jump from my little D maj fugue (Bk 2 to Opus 110. I would fall. Music takes patients

I am not trying to discourage anyone. Just keep that in mind. smile


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Originally posted by L'echange:

Trying pieces that arent within your reach is a great experience. I used to go around trying to learn Beethoven's late sonatas and the Rachmaninoff sonatas... then it occured to me that I would grow more if I actually FINISHED something smile
Nice post. I can't agree with it more. I used to (and still do, but much less frequently) dabble around with difficult works that I couldn't yet handle either, such as the Chopin ballades and scherzi, some Liszt etudes and the more difficult Beethoven sonatas. But then I realized that it is just that much more fulfilling when I play a piece that I can actually get a good technical grasp of.

I agree with those who say that you should perhaps learn a few Bach fugues first. But I wouldn't discourage you from trying out the Op. 110 fugue either. It might just give you some inspiration to work on your abilities more.

I was messing around a bit with the Waldstein just recently. It was great to hear it under my own fingers, even though I could only manage about 4 pages of it. And it seemed to have a positive effect on the pieces I am seriously playing (Moonlight and Mozart K330) too, because it gave me some extra confidence.


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