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I/ve been doing alot of reading on ETDs, and self tuning pianos and (through google) how these devices will automate tuning etc.. etc.. etc..

So let me get this straight whilst looking at another example :

If what the different journalist say about ETDs and self tuning pianos and all that technology which will eventually replace professions, then it necessarily follows that the same technology will also replace pianists (and through the same train of thought architects, painters, composers etc..); the required algorithm complexity (if such a high level is reached) is the same for performance, as for maintenance. So then we are talking about a level of technology that has gone beyond AI and which includes those cognitive processes/emotions that are required in order to produce an excellently tuned piano, a virtuoso performance, or a Parthnenon instead of a square building ie. a technology that isn't just mathematically motivated but dwelves deep into psyche. Such a technology (since I am familiar with these technologies) cannot be digitally based, and if it is non carbon based will no longer be a technology, but rather a new and alien life form (cfr. "The Emperor's New Mind").

So yes, if we manage to create such life forms, then perhaps things may change, but not because of innovative algorithms. Of course tastes will radically change and then these new life forms will also start supporting their own endeavours through their own means, and own points of view.

But since we are quite far from such experiences, I really don't think that technology will replace human skill where talent, taste, experience and of course technique are necessary ingredients. This in my humble opinion, includes piano support services, innovative engineering services, and of course the arts.

I do however wonder how much people that play the piano, including performers, differentiate between piano tuning quality? If the piano owner has no clue as to the quality of service, the anyone I guess can pretend to be a piano technician, even a standalone ETD...

I am much further removed from the real skill of operating creatively with digital domain technologies than you are. I do follow new technology trends in general.

I do think quantum computing technology will dramatically change the field. And there have been recent leaps of these techniques.

Self aware, creative digital entities may well be algorithm based. Giving the entity the "self awareness" to recognize internally authored links between information it is processing and comparing them could create a sense of "Me". Having a sense of what "rhymes" could also give it creative originality.

The real risks over the next 50 years is what will be considered "gainfully employed" for humans when robots can make anything and operate just about any system of technology. Presently over 1/2 of the equity trading is between robots.

We are seeing the de-coupling of the creation of large aggregate wealth from products and services that need a broad middle class market to support mass production. In the future the wealthy will own most of the new technology and will not need a mass market to support it. They could also "own" the eco-system by owning the technology needed to monitor and preserve the health of the earth.

ROBOTS DO NOT GET RIGHTS!!!!

We need a constitutional amendment that establishes this. And Corporations can not be people because the 13th amendment eliminates the market for people by outlawing slavery and indentured servanthood. And since corporations are owned-they cannot be both "people" and "property"-because the property state for people is slavery and/or indentured servanthood.

tonyster, You raise an interesting question. I'm in the process of watching the "Battlestar Galatica" television series which addresses this very question of man and machine. I often ask myself who is serving who? Or should I ask, who is serving what? At times I do wonder if we're not spending our lives in service of various machines and technologies; they have been keeping us rather busy lately.

I think an important part of the equation is that people enjoy making music. Personally I would give up my orchestra tickets way before I would give up playing my piano. (Fortunately I have very tolerant neighbors)

Enjoy

ETD phone home.

Battlestar Galactica ??? M'a man !!!

Did they ever cut off Vector's head ? tis many years since I/ve seen the show ! Ever since my high school days in Montreal !!!
Enjoy !!!

Yes. There does seem to be a macro economic transformation but I'm not sure it's something that hasn't happened. Let me remind us all that the great depression was for the majority,whilst the equilibrium that the economy had reached was indeed beneficial for a minority. Indeed, the way things are going, we may even go back to the gold standard since the gold that will be held by the few, does not need a particular strategy to maintain its value.
Why did Meynard Keynes come up with his theories since those that had the aggregated capital - the culture of contentment- were well content to keep things the way they were?
Well, because of something that was intended for the industrialized west, but occured in the agricultural east...the communist revolution.
Of course this seems to be history, and we're reverting to the practices of the past...but is it history ??? Time will tell.
But for now, indeed (and this includes Europe) things are changing not so much in favor for the labor force, or the professional. We'll see.

oh, and not to mention that in some industries, if you're 50 yrs and out of work...you're toast !!!
It's a Brave New World we're forging, let me tell you ....

The 200 million or so wealthiest people on the planet will soon be able to command enough resources to sustain themselves indefinitely because they will own the robot armies and police that will keep the rabble from successful revolution.

It wouldn't surprise me that they finally take the step of unleashing neutron bombs to rid the planet of "excess" population. Earth would be a very comfortable place with a total population of 200 million wealthy, educated, artistic people.

I know this is a dark view. But that is why I am adamant; ROBOTS DO NOT GET RIGHTS!! Corporations can not be people because they are owned! It is illegal to own people. Thus corporations can not be people.

(I am not anti-corporation, they just aren't PEOPLE!).

Will be interesting to see the results of these 200 or so trying to pro create....Remember the old aristocrats (there weren't that many) when they tried to "reproduce"? ex : the Hapsburg dynasty?

Here's a good reminder

http://mohawknationnews.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/hapsburg.jpeg

On the other hand, they were all music lovers and did indeed do their best to promote and support the arts...

I did say 200 MILLION people. That is more than enough to insure genetic diversity. Not to mention that genetic engineering will allow them to tailor themselves for superior fitness.

oh. ok. I stand corrected.