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Hey! Have any of you compared Yamaha P85 with CP33 side by side, or used them both, or used one of then, and could share thougths? I am playing a Kawai CN 21 console at home, but have serious trouble when going to my parents' summer house for longer breaks and holidays, because I have no piano there to practice. I am looking for a stage piano which I could leave there (not a console, because if for second piano I would like something more portable) and play on holidays. Because I own a Kawai, I wanted something different for a second piano, hence my steer towards Yamaha. CP33 and P85 are obvious choices, very different in price though. I am perfectly aware that CP33 is far more capable, have line outs, and so on. But if we discard additional features, and compare basic set, particularly - the keyboard, and basic grand piano sound through internal speakers, do they differ a lot? I thought I will go with cheaper P85, as it is in my price range, and seems sufficient. Then I thought maybe line-outs would be of use, and looked up CP33, which is... well, kind of pricey for what I need. I have no idea whether it really is worth all that money. Any help? Would be very kindly appreciated! Best wishes, Mateusz
Mateusz Papiernik https://maticomp.net"One man can make a difference" - Wilton Knight Kawai CN21 (digital), Henryk Yamayuri Kawai NX-40 (grand)
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I have not heard the CP33, just played it -- Guitar Center had no monitors hooked up, so I can't compare sound quality as it has no internal speakers. However, you need to play them side by side, the keyboard feel is quite a bit different - with the CP33 being heavier. As you know the P85 has a very basic feature set, but the price is nice, especially if you can do without the stage piano features and like the built in sounds.
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The two are really designed for different markets. The CP33 is designed industrial strength, built solidly to take the abuse of everyday gigging by a professional musician; whereas the P85 is more of an amateur or semi-pro stage piano, not built as heavily, not as rugged.
Other differences: the sound samples will be reproduced better on the CP33, it has more polyphony, the keyboard itself is a higher grade that both feels more like a piano keyboard and is more rugged. It also weighs more, and it does not include internal speakers and amplifier.
If it is at all possible, I would suggest that you play both instruments, then weigh the factors versus the extra cost before making a decision.
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Oh man! I completely missed the fact that CP33 is speakerless! That would conclude the topic then... it must be wash'n'go toy for me! Thanks for all your deep insights! M.
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hi i've owned P60s which has same key feel to P70 and P85. they don't feel very nice after sometime. Just too light.
Isn't CP33 around $1200 and P85 around $650? can't compare those two.
I'd personally go for FP4. P85 is a TOY
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Originally posted by MoodyBluesKeys: The two are really designed for different markets. The CP33 is designed industrial strength, built solidly to take the abuse of everyday gigging by a professional musician; whereas the P85 is more of an amateur or semi-pro stage piano, not built as heavily, not as rugged. Jim I wasn't too impressed with the CP33 build quality personally, contrary to my prior experience with Yamaha products. Even the Guitar Center salesman noted it wasn't built very well, kind of disappointing considering its intended audience. However, it could just be due to the abuse these units get in the stores.
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Originally posted by henrik: hi i've owned P60s which has same key feel to P70 and P85. they don't feel very nice after sometime. Just too light.
Isn't CP33 around $1200 and P85 around $650? can't compare those two.
I'd personally go for FP4. P85 is a TOY The FP4 will go for ~$1300 - so you can't compare the FP4 and the P85 either. The P85 shall be compared with the Casio PX-120, 200, 320 which are in the same price range.
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Hey,
Yeah, that's true that comparing pianos differing in 600$ is pointless.... or well, it isn't. These more pricey are simply way better perhaps.
After some thought, I decided to stick in the lower price tag, meaning P85, and Privia PX-120. It will be my second piano and I'm not a professional pianist practicing hours a day, therefore it won't be played very intensively. As I'm not going to go on gigs with it, the sturdiness is a second rate factor.
I hope a store in my city is carrying Yamaha P85 - I played Privia and must really say I liked it.
Thanks! M.
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There is also the YDP-635 from Yamaha in the same price range. What you want to consider is the pedal coming with these DPs. If you want to do half pedaling, this can not be done with cheapo flat plastic pedal that some DPs are shipped with. Also, I believe the wood stand is important as well as it puts the DP at the right height and it provides better stability than an X stand.
Finally, both Casio and Yamaha sell a 3-pedals system, but some members reported that they are not as robust as they should be.
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Huh.
I guess I will have to reconsider buying console, if going with wooden stand is a way to go after all. After getting home from my summer holiday, I will go to shops and try to play as much as possible.
Half-pedalling would be a great thing to have perhaps. I have never played a DP without it, as my Kawai does have it. It may be annoing not to have that feature.
M.
Mateusz Papiernik https://maticomp.net"One man can make a difference" - Wilton Knight Kawai CN21 (digital), Henryk Yamayuri Kawai NX-40 (grand)
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Very nice Nocturne #20 Op.Post in C#
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Mati, I know you suggested that you would like to try an action from a different manufacturer... ...however how about a KAWAI ES6? Kind regards, James x
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