A Different Kind of Piano Ranking

Posted by: Piano World

A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/14/07 06:21 PM

See How Piano World Ranks Compared to Other Piano Sites[/b]
Additional stats later in this thread show how we rank for specific piano-related keywords and phrases[/b]

As some of you know, my day job is Internet Marketing, Ecommerce, and SEO (Search Engine Optimization).
SEO Experts To Go -- The Ecommerce Guru

I sometimes use a service called Quantcast www.quantcast.com to get demographics on web sites.

Quantcast visits billions of web pages, and currently has rankings available on over 20 million sites. Please note that Quantcast states that these are estimates based on data they have collected, and that they can get much more accurate if the site owner places Quantcast code on their site (as we have done).

So, I decided to do a little comparison of how Piano Manufacturers sites rank versus Piano World. Note that the LOWER the ranking number the better.[/b] For example, Piano World's current ranking is 8,249... which means we rank ahead of 20,079,870 of the total 20,088,119 sites they rank.

I've also included Quantcast's estimates of monthly unique visitors.
(for more info, see their FAQ )

(The listing is in no particular order, it's just how I looked them up as the brands came to mind.)

Because much of the support for Piano World comes from advertising, I'm hoping to someday convince the manufacturers to advertise with us.

Also see WHO VISITS PIANO WORLD?? [/b]








Site[/b]Rank on Quantcast[/b]
Monthly Unique Visitors[/b]
Piano World Ranks
This Much Ahead
of These Sites[/b]
PianoWorld.com

masonhamlin.com

steinway.com

kawaius.com

samickusa.com

youngchang.com

baldwinpiano.com

bluthnerpiano.com

bosendorfer.com

estoniapiano.com

pianodisc.com

pealriverusa.com

ptg.org

qrsmusic.com

geneva-intl.com

bohemiapiano.cz

seiler-pianos.de

fazioli.com

petrof.cz

steigerman.com

NAMM.org
8,249

836,831

150,330

175,793

605,131

442,909

842,089

3,908,057

6,588,216

2,122,002

412,898

945,105

100,587

164,916

1,075,263

1,072,040

949,722

1,987,823

4,096,372

2,917,222

172,482

300,000+

Under 1000

Under 10,000

Under 10,000

Under 1000

About 1000

Under 1000

Under 1000

Under 1000

Under 1000

About 2000

Under 1000

Under 10,000

Under 10,000

Under 1000

Under 1000

Under 1000

Under 1000

Under 1000

Under 1000

Under 10,000



828,582

142,081

167,544

596,882

434,660

833,840

3,899,808

6,579,967

2,113,753

404,649

936,856

92,338

156,667

1,067,014

1,063,791

941,473

1,979,574

4,088,123

2,908,973

164,233


Based on these numbers, Piano World gets more unique visitors per month than all 20 other sites combined[/b].

Some more semi-interesting data...
Our Google Rankings[/b]


Piano World's current rankings in Google for the following search terms:
Search Term[/b] Our Google Ranking Position[/b]Out of # sites returned[/b]
Piano 1183,000,000
Piano Dealers 11,310,000
Piano Tuners 2 & 32,420,000
Piano Movers21,120,000
Piano Manufacturers 11,420,000
Piano Forums1 & 23,700,000

Of course, none of this means much in the grand scheme of things, unless you're trying to convince someone there's value in advertising on your site :-)
But it's still interesting, and a bit of an ego boost for me.

See Additional Ranking Results Further Down in This Thread[/b]
Posted by: Monica K.

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/14/07 11:02 PM

Interesting data, Frank! I think what grabbed my attention the most was the difference is monthly unique visitors. Clearly, there are a lot of people interested in pianos if you get 300,000 new folks coming to your site a month. But they're not looking at the manufacturers' websites, and I wonder why. Do they get all their questions answered here so don't bother? Do they take one look at the AB forum and decide to take up a more dignified instrument? \:D Just seems very curious to me.
Posted by: CTPianotech

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/14/07 11:18 PM

It would seem as though they'd be best served to advertise on the site, AND hire him as an SEO consultant. Unless they don't think they can afford the extra bandwidth they'll need. :p
Posted by: Piano World

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/15/07 08:01 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by CTPianotech:
It would seem as though they'd be best served to advertise on the site, AND hire him as an SEO consultant. Unless they don't think they can afford the extra bandwidth they'll need. :p [/b]
:D I like youre thinking CTPianotech

You'd be amazed how many major players (not just in the piano business) don't know how to take advantage of the Internet.

Often times they employ huge advertising agencies who are experts at marketing/advertising offline, but haven't built the expertise for online yet.

I've spent 10 years learning how to market on the Internet, and I'm still learning.
Posted by: Piano World

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/15/07 08:05 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Monica Kern:
Interesting data, Frank! I think what grabbed my attention the most was the difference is monthly unique visitors. Clearly, there are a lot of people interested in pianos if you get 300,000 new folks coming to your site a month. But they're not looking at the manufacturers' websites, and I wonder why. Do they get all their questions answered here so don't bother? Do they take one look at the AB forum and decide to take up a more dignified instrument? \:D Just seems very curious to me. [/b]
Thanks Monica,

Exactly what I'm trying to explain to the manufacturers. We get some serious traffic, and it's all people interested in pianos and/or music.

And they don't just hit and run.
We average 3-4 MILLION page views a month.
That tells me people arrive at Piano World and spend some time looking.

Update 01/02/08[/b] We are now averaging closer to 5 million page views a month (or over 166,000 page views a day)

Our average time on site (the time an individual spends looking at PW) is much higher than the industry averages.
Either we're doing something right and people are enjoying their visit, or we're doing something wrong and they're lost :-)

I think it's the former rather than the latter.
People not finding what they want just leave and go to the next site in their search results.

Plus, I can't tell you how many times I see posts from people thanking us for the help the forums gave them in their piano search.

It's funny, because I read articles in the trade magazines downplaying the Internet as a source for people looking for information about buying a piano. They obviously don't hang out around here :-)
Posted by: lilylady

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/15/07 08:47 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Monica Kern:
Do they take one look at the AB forum and decide to take up a more dignified instrument? [/b]
Monica, are you referring to '1' thread in particular? LOL!

Frank, for sure you are doing something right!

"WE KNOW"!!!
Posted by: J. Mark

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/15/07 09:18 AM

A lot of what I do involves representing clients whose business is Internet marketing. You're right, Frank -- it is amazing how many otherwise solid businesses are just way behind in terms of understanding, and taking advantage of, the Internet. And it's really so easy to do these days. There are many, many young people out there, ready to take a job, at a very reasonable salary, helping companies move forward. I've seen it time and again, and it generally pays off in spades when they take the steps forward.

Search is definitely where it's at. A lot of these folks could benefit from some good website design, too. And some could reap huge rewards from affiliate marketing. The longer they wait, the harder it will be to catch up....
Posted by: ejsauter

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/15/07 12:45 PM

Frank, very interesting numbers. Does quantcast measure hits to any portion of the PW website or just the main page as the initial hit?
Posted by: Piano World

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/15/07 01:00 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by ejsauter:
Frank, very interesting numbers. Does quantcast measure hits to any portion of the PW website or just the main page as the initial hit? [/b]
They are measuring "page views" as opposed to "hits". Two different animals.

A page view is counted when all the contents of a page loads. Hits count each item of a page as it loads (ex: each graphic would count as a "hit" to the server).

Page views are a more accurate representation of traffic (as are "unique" visitors as opposed to repeat visitors).

For example, our page views generally run between 3 and 4 million a month (as you can see from the forums stats, the forums alone account for over a million page views a month).

But our "hits" usually run in the 12-15 million a month range.

To answer your question :-)
They are counting page views for most, but not all of Piano World. I haven't had time to add the code to every section.

By the way, for those few of you who might care about getting more technical. There are ways of programming pages so only certain segments of the page get replaced with new content (ajax, css, and some asp applications).

This is done to make the pages load faster, because the server only has to pass what's different, but... it also means the newly loaded content doesn't count as a "page view".

If you use this technology, how do you tell if your site is doing better?
Unique visitor counts, time spent on the site, conversions rates (how many people take the action you wanted ... sign up, click something, buy something). You can also keep an eye on your referer logs. These show where your traffic is coming from, and how much.
Posted by: J. Mark

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/15/07 03:36 PM

LOL! You are good at your day job, sir! (Not to mention this is one of the best sites on the Internet...)
Posted by: mdsdurango

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/16/07 09:38 AM

A whole hearted agreement with J.Mark here.
Piano World is one of the best sites on the Internet!

Mike
Posted by: Grand Piano Haus

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/16/07 11:13 PM

Hi Frank,

Where does Yamaha fit into this rank?
Posted by: Piano World

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/17/07 08:05 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Grand Piano Haus:
Hi Frank,

Where does Yamaha fit into this rank? [/b]
I couldn't find just a piano site for Yamaha, only their corporate site that encompasses everything (motorcycles, audio equipment, band instruments, drums, brass, strings,pianos, digitals, etc.).

Their corporate site does very well, as one would expect given it's size and audience reach.

I was trying to compare apples to apples (except the listing for NAMM, which I just tossed in because we've been discussing the NAMM show).

I did see that the sub directory music.yamaha.com gets about 20,000 unique visitors a month (but sub directories aren't ranked separately).

There was no separate directory or sub directory for just pianos.

Interestingly, the steinwaymusical.com (the parent company with Steinway, Conn-Selmer, etc.) site has a rank of 1,408,017 (meaning 1,408,016 sites rank higher) and shows less than 1000 unique visitors a month. I don't believe that's accurate, but it's likely because of the gratuitous Flash they use.

Forcing people to watch/listen to Flash is considered a big no-no in Internet Marketing, and can have a negative effect on search engine rankings/listings.

Don't make me keep clicking "Skip Intro", make it my choice to play the @$%# thing if I want to.
I'm always amazed at how many otherwise brilliant marketers fall down when it comes to marketing to the Internet crowd.

I'm always battling with people who want to use stuff on their web sites just because they can, or because someone in the company thinks it's cool, instead of giving their customers what they actually want.

That's why I like to do focus groups and usability studies with end users. You'd be surprised what you can learn by asking your customers!
Posted by: Steve Chandler

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/17/07 09:48 AM

Frank,

I think you're comparing apples and oranges. The comparison between this forum and a manufacturer's site is invalid given that the intent of the two is so different. What would be far more interesting would be a comparison with other venues for piano discussion. There are other piano related forums, including; ...Facts, ...street. and ...chat (a Yahoo group). Of those just mentioned this forum is undoubtedly the most populated. Each of these is different and what's more important is how compatible the individual users are with our chosen venue of discussion. I do lurk the ...facts forum on occasion, but geberally choose NOT to post there, especially in their political discussion arena (they'd never admit I was right).
Posted by: Piano World

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/17/07 10:08 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Steve Chandler:
Frank,

I think you're comparing apples and oranges. The comparison between this forum and a manufacturer's site is invalid given that the intent of the two is so different. What would be far more interesting would be a comparison with other venues for piano discussion. There are other piano related forums, including; ...Facts, ...street. and ...chat (a Yahoo group). Of those just mentioned this forum is undoubtedly the most populated. Each of these is different and what's more important is how compatible the individual users are with our chosen venue of discussion. I do lurk the ...facts forum on occasion, but geberally choose NOT to post there, especially in their political discussion arena (they'd never admit I was right). [/b]
Steve,

That would be true if I was basing my computations on just our forums, but I'm not.
The numbers are based on Piano World overall (there are over 1000 pages besides these forums).

My point was, we generate a lot of traffic from people who are interested in pianos (for any number of reasons), and therefore represent an opportunity for companies/individuals in a piano/music related business.

I chose the manufacturers sites because I'm hoping some of them will consider us as a possible advertising/marketing vehicle, and because I was curious.
Posted by: Steve Chandler

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/17/07 10:30 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Piano World:
My point was, we generate a lot of traffic from people who are interested in pianos (for any number of reasons), and therefore represent an opportunity for companies/individuals in a piano/music related business.

I chose the manufacturers sites because I'm hoping some of them will consider us as a possible advertising/marketing vehicle, and because I was curious. [/QB]
Well in that regard I would agree completely. In fact I'm mystified by the absence of manufacturers. I understand the potential lightening rod effect, but the same would apply to dealers and they're here in great quantities. I think it would be less likely for non-US manufacturers to make the effort given that this forum is fairly USA centric. I do know Bosendorfer's USA distributor is a helpful presence. So to the folks at Mason and Hamlin and Charles Walter let me say you're conspicuous by your absence.
Posted by: Piano World

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/17/07 11:07 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Steve Chandler:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Piano World:
My point was, we generate a lot of traffic from people who are interested in pianos (for any number of reasons), and therefore represent an opportunity for companies/individuals in a piano/music related business.

I chose the manufacturers sites because I'm hoping some of them will consider us as a possible advertising/marketing vehicle, and because I was curious. [/b]
Well in that regard I would agree completely. In fact I'm mystified by the absence of manufacturers. I understand the potential lightening rod effect, but the same would apply to dealers and they're here in great quantities. I think it would be less likely for non-US manufacturers to make the effort given that this forum is fairly USA centric. I do know Bosendorfer's USA distributor is a helpful presence. So to the folks at Mason and Hamlin and Charles Walter let me say you're conspicuous by your absence. [/QB]
:-) Thanks Steve.

I can sort of understand them not wanting to get involved in the forums (in some cases, the matter how much you try, you can't win), but outright advertising (like some of the affiliate programs in our right hand column) would make sense.

Of course for dealers, tuners, movers, etc. it makes more sense to advertise under specific categories in our Classified section.

A dealer in NY doesn't care if we come up # 1 in Google for "Piano Dealers", but they would be interested to know how we rank for "Piano Dealers NY" (#1 and 2 at the moment), or Piano Tuners CA (# 1 and 2), or Piano Movers NC (#1).

It's the aggragate of our search results rankings that gives us value to any number of piano/music industry businesses.

Heck, sometimes we just rank well because of a forums post. For example, at the moment we rank # 1 in Google for Pramberger Piano because of a forums post.
Posted by: Les Koltvedt

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/22/07 12:32 PM

From a users point of view... thanks Frank for a Great Website. Sure hope your time at NAMM is rewarded.

On another note, I was just curious, how will I know or will I be notified when my contribution anniversary date is up...when do I need to send more $$ and not just at ANYTIME lol... \:D
Posted by: Piano World

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/22/07 12:36 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Monster M&H:
From a users point of view... thanks Frank for a Great Website. Sure hope your time at NAMM is rewarded.

On another note, I was just curious, how will I know or will I be notified when my contribution anniversary date is up...when do I need to send more $$ and not just at ANYTIME lol... \:D [/b]
Thanks Monster M&H,

Unfortunately I'm not very good at renewal reminders, have the same problem with the folks advertising in our classifieds.
There just aren't enough hours in the day (I have a friend writing scripts to automate the reminder process.).

To answer your question, if you mouse over your subscriber icon, it should tell you what date it expires. (the classified ads have an expiration date in small print at bottom of their ads).

Best,

Frank B.
Posted by: Les Koltvedt

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/22/07 01:48 PM

Expires in Feb...what timing yeah?? just your luck...lol Thanks for your effort here at PW...although you might not hear it enough, THANKS

Les
cya in May. Although I am having a little conflict with the schedule, you see, Billy Joel is coming to the Palace here on the 4th of May.
Posted by: Piano World

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/25/07 01:15 PM

Some more interesting data.
Shows what page of results we show up on for specific search terms using specific states.

I did this because some people in the industry were trying to decide what the value would be in advertising on Piano World (hello, read this thread and you should be able to answer that question).































Chart Shows What Results Page Piano World Shows Up On for a Given Search Term
Keyword(s)Search Engine Page Results
Google[/b]MSNYahoo[/b]
piano dealers CT111
piano dealers NY111
piano dealers NC111
piano dealers IL111
piano dealers CA111
piano dealers FL111
piano dealers DC111
piano tuners CT111
piano tuners CA111
piano tuners NY111
piano movers VA111
piano movers NY1-1
piano movers MA111
piano manufacturers1-1
piano movers TX1-1
piano movers NH1-1
piano movers FL1-1
piano teachers NY111
piano teachers CA1-1
piano forums111
buying a piano1-1
How old is my piano?111
piano actions111


Note that we show up on the first page of results in Google and Yahoo for every one of these search terms (and many more)!
Ranking results check was conducted today, January 25, 2007
Posted by: bachmaniac

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/29/07 11:26 AM

wow...

this is intimidating! I started hanging out in the Digital Piano forum about two months ago and have found it totally addictive. But I never suspected I had such a huge audience, Pianoworld is gigantic!!!

Love it here, thanks to you...

Best regards,

Claude
Posted by: David Estey

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/30/07 11:14 AM

Hi Frank,
Great work, and truly impressive. I am curious to know where the Piano Technicians Guild site stands in the ranking.

Dave
Posted by: Piano World

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/30/07 11:31 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by David Estey:
Hi Frank,
Great work, and truly impressive. I am curious to know where the Piano Technicians Guild site stands in the ranking.

Dave [/b]
Hi Dave,

Thanks.

The PTG overall ranking is in the top of the thread above (13th site listed, but as I said, they are in no particular order).

I always kid the folks from the PTG when I see them (usually at NAMM) because we often trade places for the # 1 spot in Google under various piano terms.

The PTG site in fact is the top ranked site in the group after Piano World, placing them 92,338 sites behind PW in the overall Quantcast rankings.
Posted by: David Estey

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 02/02/07 03:15 PM

Frank,
I hope you dont mind, and being a newbie I hope Im not breaking any laws by asking this question.
On this subject of "ranking", I have currently updated my website. My old address was www.1800onapiano.com which is the same as my phone #, 1-800-ON A PIANO. I still own and use the old website name , 1800onapiano.com, but have very recently changed it to esteypiano.com. In the ratings, My 1800 address ranked about 1.5 million ahead of estey piano. I did this because my last name is a recognised piano name, but I am trying to decide wether to keep the old name as the main one, because of the current rankings. Is this the right thing to do, or is it relatively easy to move up a million or two ranks in a short time with a known piano name? Any web marketing Recommendations?
Thanks
Dave
Posted by: Piano World

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 02/02/07 03:40 PM

First, rankings for what?

As an SEO consultant, I spend a lot of time with my clients establishing the most effective keywords and phrases for attracting relevant traffic.
You will notice when I state that Piano World ranks on the first page of results for Google, I follow it with specific examples of keywords and phrases.

And then I tie those into why they are important to me, or our advertisers.

Now, to answer your question \:\)

It takes time for a new site to be discovered, and to build a ranking. Google is known to make new sites play in their "sandbox" for 6-8 weeks or longer. They also put a lot of weight on incoming links (other sites linking to yours), which takes time to build up with a new site.

BTW, you do have one new link from a well ranked piano site (your ad is posted).

If it were me, I'd keep the original site, but set up 301 permanent redirects.
These tell the search engines (and the browsers) that the site has moved to a new home, with a new URL.

I'd also follow up with anyone who has backlinks (incoming links pointing to the old site), and ask them to update their links to the new site.

Redirect Old domain to New domain (htaccess redirect)
Create a .htaccess file with the below code, it will ensure that all your directories and pages of your old domain will get correctly redirected to your new domain.
The .htaccess file needs to be placed in the root directory of your old website (i.e the same directory where your index file is placed)

Options +FollowSymLinks
RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule (.*) http://www.newdomain.com/$1 [R=301,L]

Please REPLACE www.newdomain.com in the above code with your actual domain name.

Note* This .htaccess method of redirection works ONLY on Linux servers having the Apache Mod-Rewrite moduled enabled.


Redirect to www (htaccess redirect)
Create a .htaccess file with the below code, it will ensure that all requests coming in to domain.com will get redirected to www.domain.com
The .htaccess file needs to be placed in the root directory of your old website (i.e the same directory where your index file is placed)

Options +FollowSymlinks
RewriteEngine on
rewritecond %{http_host} ^domain.com [nc]
rewriterule ^(.*)$ http://www.domain.com/$1 [r=301,nc]

Please REPLACE domain.com and www.newdomain.com with your actual domain name.

Note* This .htaccess method of redirection works ONLY on Linux servers having the Apache Mod-Rewrite moduled enabled.
Posted by: John v.d.Brook

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 02/15/07 05:16 PM

Congrats on your top drawer ranking ;\)
Posted by: Barbara G

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 12/07/07 11:10 AM

Frank, the biggest way that I think you can improve your site is to make it easier of people to know how to post pictures. You do not even address the subject in your FAQ section. Please make it easy to find the instructions.
Thanks
Posted by: Piano World

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 12/07/07 11:42 AM

Hi Jordang,

It's in the Forums Rules & Help
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/1/12258.html
Posted by: jollyroger

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 12/07/07 05:25 PM

Great post Frank. You have some truly powerful metrics here to substantiate your advertising potential. As a software engineer, I have read quite a bit over the years about Search Engine Positioning and it's almost become an art unto itself. There are indeed many tricks to the trade, as well as one having a detailed knowledge about each search engine's criteria in formulating their indexes. Keep up the great work. You've built yourself a gold mine from scratch and you SHOULD be very proud. As I've said before, this is the best piano web site on the planet, IMHO.
Best regards,
Roger
Posted by: swingal

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 12/08/07 05:33 AM

Thankyou Frank a million times, for your extremely interesting Piano website.

I also wonder why the Piano Manufactures do not Advertise here. But would you not require a specific forum for the manufactures? Perhaps some have read the forums and see no page that they would use. I know there is a page 'Piano' that does cover the instrument but hardly suitable for advertising ? Or are you referring to right side bar advertising space? that would be useful I'd have thought.

Also they, the manufactures may consider that 'in depth' criticism by the public would turn the whole matter into a slanging match or worse. Though to be more positive,good would prevail I would think and the best would emerge at the top.

But, from the musicians angle you have got the whole idea absolutely spot on. And more power to your elbow.

Kind regards,

Swingal (Alan)
Posted by: Piano World

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 12/08/07 12:10 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by swingal:
Thankyou Frank a million times, for your extremely interesting Piano website.

I also wonder why the Piano Manufactures do not Advertise here. But would you not require a specific forum for the manufactures? Perhaps some have read the forums and see no page that they would use. I know there is a page 'Piano' that does cover the instrument but hardly suitable for advertising ? Or are you referring to right side bar advertising space? that would be useful I'd have thought.

Also they, the manufactures may consider that 'in depth' criticism by the public would turn the whole matter into a slanging match or worse. Though to be more positive,good would prevail I would think and the best would emerge at the top.

But, from the musicians angle you have got the whole idea absolutely spot on. And more power to your elbow.

Kind regards,

Swingal (Alan) [/b]
Thanks Alan and jollyroger,

I was thinking more of branding/institutional ads for manufacturers. Either as a button ad in the right column of the forums and/or in the left nav of the main PW web site.

They could also opt to have an enhanced listing in our Piano Manufacturers page, or Advertise in our Classified Ads Section

It's funny because the dealers/tuners/movers/rebuilders are getting the idea, but not the manufacturers. Yet they spend big bucks to put full page ads in magazines with limited readership (and probably end up in the trash after a few days).

You'd think they would grasp that the Internet is where the majority of people start their research these days. And that online you can use multi-media and interactivity, plus you can measure response. All things you can't do in print.

In addition to Search Engine Optimization and Search Marketing, I also work in Internet Marketing, which covers a broad range of online marketing techniques.
I'm also trained in usability, analytics, and metrics. You'd think they would want to take advantage of my skills
Posted by: Mark...

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 12/25/07 07:38 PM

I think comparing a web site dedicated to all things piano and a particular brand of piano is like comparing apples to oranges. But regardless this place has to be #1 in the Pianoworld... \:D
Posted by: Goose68

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/04/08 04:52 PM

"...
Please REPLACE domain.com and www.newdomain.com with your actual domain name.

Note* This .htaccess method of redirection works ONLY on Linux servers having the Apache Mod-Rewrite moduled enabled."

Nice info Frank... you do indeed know what you're talking about.

Been trying different SEO vendors for a few years now and running a corporate site has forced me to learn way more than I ever wanted to... \:\)

Those are some nice stats.

-Jeff
Posted by: Goose68

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/04/08 04:57 PM

...silly question removed... apparently I wasnt thinking clearly that day.
Posted by: smilinjack

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 05/20/08 09:11 PM

In looking for a new piano I ended up here and found a wealth of info.

My local piano dealer told me to stay away from here.

Needless to say I bought my piano elsewhere.
jack
Posted by: Ludwin Van Beethoven

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 06/04/08 12:13 PM

Whoa!

This is the best message board.
The last one i went on was really
BAD:*(!
I'v always wanted to make up a message board
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Posted by: Ludwin Van Beethoven

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 06/04/08 12:45 PM

What da?
I have a different avatar.
Grr...
Posted by: ceejay2005

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 10/10/08 01:16 PM

I think comparing a web site dedicated to all things piano and a particular brand of piano is like comparing apples to oranges. But regardless this place has to be #1 in the Pianoworld.

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Posted by: JDelmore

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 10/10/08 01:19 PM

I still want to know if we've hooked in Il Papa...LOL
Posted by: PianoForAll

Re: A Different Kind of Piano Ranking - 01/17/10 05:52 AM

Hi Frank, very impressive SEO work you have done.
I sent you an email a few weeks ago, I know you are flat out but still waiting. I would be interested in advertising online piano courses but your Piano Lessons section only has State locations. What would be good is if you had a category for online lessons as not everyone is able to get to a piano teacher, or not in USA, or they prefer to learn in their own home, at their own speed.

Do you have stats on keywords related to learning the piano? For example:
learn piano chords
learn to play piano chords
learn to play the piano
learn to read music for piano
piano lesson
piano lessons for adults
play piano chords

Those are just examples as I don't know what phases trigger your website in the search results, but would be very keen to know the amount of unique visitors to keyword(s) you have to your website that are looking for lessons before I commit to advertising.

Thank you very much for your time, kind regards, Ian