How did they get this piano sound?

Posted by: phantomFive

How did they get this piano sound? - 01/26/14 02:07 AM

I've been trying to figure out how this piano sound was obtained: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCl-0lu0vHM (it's Richard Clayderman so if that bothers you, oh well). It has a very sharp attack, but after the sustained notes sounds softer (and the sustain doesn't last long). I think it's a Yamaha he's playing?

Did they achieve that sound by making the hammers hard? Is it just how Yamahas sounded at the time of the recording? Is it something they did with the microphones to make it seem like the sustain didn't last long?
Posted by: Rickster

Re: How did they get this piano sound? - 01/26/14 09:32 AM

I hate to say this, but it actually sounded like a digital piano to me...

The playing was very nice though.

Rick
Posted by: Bosendorff

Re: How did they get this piano sound? - 01/26/14 03:50 PM

I agree with Rickster, we indeed see a Yamaha grand in the video, but the sound is so metallic it could also be a digital piano. Another possibility is EQ'ing the result, etc.
Posted by: Goof

Re: How did they get this piano sound? - 01/26/14 03:54 PM

eekThat is a really weird sound from what must be an expensive piano! Have you thought that it must be a recording or even a rerecording problem?
Posted by: peterws

Re: How did they get this piano sound? - 01/26/14 04:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Rickster
I hate to say this, but it actually sounded like a digital piano to me...

The playing was very nice though.

Rick


Mine sounds like that on the upper notes . . .it`s a Yamaha too.
Posted by: phantomFive

Re: How did they get this piano sound? - 01/26/14 04:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Goof
Have you thought that it must be a recording or even a rerecording problem?

I don't think it's a 'problem', I'm pretty sure they were going for that sound. The advantage of that sound is that the melody line is clear and understandable when recorded, even when projected from low quality mono-speakers through an open-air market in a third world country.
Posted by: Minnesota Marty

Re: How did they get this piano sound? - 01/26/14 05:00 PM

Yep, it's a classic Yamaha and Clayderman likes his pianos "pinged" to the max. If you wanted to voice it down, I'm sure a jack-hammer would be needed, rather than needles.
Posted by: Rickster

Re: How did they get this piano sound? - 01/26/14 06:06 PM

My Casio Privia PX310 digital piano sounds almost exactly like that...

And, I would imagine it was a whoooooole lot cheaper than that piano in the video. smile

Sorry, but that is my .02.

Rick
Posted by: joe80

Re: How did they get this piano sound? - 01/27/14 05:56 AM

It sounds like a digital piano of the time - perhaps it's a Roland or old Clavinova, but it doesn't quite sound like a Clavinova.
Posted by: Steve Chandler

Re: How did they get this piano sound? - 01/27/14 09:43 AM

Originally Posted By: phantomFive
Originally Posted By: Goof
Have you thought that it must be a recording or even a rerecording problem?

I don't think it's a 'problem', I'm pretty sure they were going for that sound. The advantage of that sound is that the melody line is clear and understandable when recorded, even when projected from low quality mono-speakers through an open-air market in a third world country.

Just curious if you think they were also going for the hum (DC offset) that's most noticeable at the end? To me the hum indicates they weren't all that interested in pristine quality. may be the video was made for Youtube, but Youtube's compression only makes hum worse.
Posted by: hv

Re: How did they get this piano sound? - 01/27/14 03:15 PM

The audio sounds extremely over compressed to me. Might be the result of recording audio with their video camera together with its built in auto level control. Their glassy zoom, pan, and jib movements look impressive but I've gotten better audio results shooting with a cell phone.

Howard
Posted by: phantomFive

Re: How did they get this piano sound? - 01/27/14 11:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Yep, it's a classic Yamaha and Clayderman likes his pianos "pinged" to the max. If you wanted to voice it down, I'm sure a jack-hammer would be needed, rather than needles.


Thanks for the info
Posted by: Philm35

Re: How did they get this piano sound? - 01/28/14 07:52 PM

It's a pretty lo-fi recording. Aside from the AC hum, there's quite a bit of harmonic distortion due to peak clipping. It's quite likely that the piano doesn't really sound like that at all... the recording is coloring it.
Posted by: 4evrBeginR

Re: How did they get this piano sound? - 01/28/14 08:57 PM

We should restrain from criticizing how bad the recording is as this is clearly a television program from some 30-40 years ago or an amazingly young looking 62-year-old Clayderman. There is no way to tell how many problems were introduced by the person who dusted off his 30-year-old VHS tape, ripped it into his computer and uploaded to YouTube.
Posted by: phantomFive

Re: How did they get this piano sound? - 01/28/14 08:58 PM

A higher quality version is available at Amazon, if anyone wants to hear it, but it has other instruments in the mix.
Posted by: NFexec

Re: How did they get this piano sound? - 01/28/14 10:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Philm35
It's a pretty lo-fi recording. Aside from the AC hum, there's quite a bit of harmonic distortion due to peak clipping. It's quite likely that the piano doesn't really sound like that at all... the recording is coloring it.

My thoughts exactly, although I might not have used the word, "coloring"! As most of us know, Yamahas are by design bright pianos, and this one may have been voiced even more so - but the audio quality on this clip is as bad as the video... so just as Philm said. smile
Posted by: peterws

Re: How did they get this piano sound? - 01/30/14 04:27 AM

You could play Joplin on that . .