I had an idea, could we do this?

Posted by: jdsher

I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/24/04 10:32 AM

I was thinking about the holiday season coming up and wondering what charities to consider. This crazy idea popped into my head. How difficult would it be to create a Piano World CD? We could have some of our more accomplished players post their MP3s for the members to vote on which to include on the CD. Then we could ask everyone to pitch in a couple of dollars to make a 1000 CD production that we could sell on Franks website. We could then donate the profits to some worthy(non-religious) cause for the holidays. I would love to give this kind gift to my family and friends. Anyone think we could do this?
Jon
Posted by: ycul

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 02:14 AM

Yep.
Having said that I don't think anyone would wanna hear me play piano! I'm willing to do anything else that could be useful though. (Within reason ;\) )
Posted by: kenny

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 04:28 AM

Great idea.
I'd imagine with the global reach there are a lot of good players and recording freaks here.
It would be funny if all the playing was at a high level, then one track was really awful.
How would we tell one person his or her playing was too poor to be included?
At a piano party it ain't so bad cause it is over in 3 minutes, forever.
On a CD you'd have to hear the bad track over and over.
And the technical quality would be all over the place.
Piano quality and condition, mic quality and placement, pianos out of tune, etc.

Then there's the money factor.
I doubt we would even break even, without marketing.
Then again, it *is* a unique and charming idea that may garner funding and even publicity, the best advertizing.
It would require a lot of work by a few people.
Instead of being a money maker it would have to be a labor of love.

I know I sound like I am poo pooing the idea; I'm not.
It is a great idea.
It just needs to be fleshed out.
Posted by: lb

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 04:28 AM

ycul

You are not as liberal as I thought. ;\)

lb
Posted by: Rich Galassini

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 04:59 AM

Very cool idea. My first thoughts were also Kenny's, although CD production has cheapened incredibly even within the past year.

Lets keep talking.
Posted by: Tom--K

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 05:03 AM

We are the Pianoworld, we are the pianists
We are the ones who tinkle on the ivories
so let's start playing...

To be sung in the best "Bill Murray" imitation voice possible.

Seriously, though a good idea.
Posted by: kenny

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 05:12 AM

And if they don't include me I can say, "Those Bastards, They Killed Kenny!"
Posted by: Piano World

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 05:18 AM

Great idea, but we would need a lot of help.

We certainly have enough talented members, and our online store can provide the distribution channel, but we would definitely need technical and promotional help.

I've worked with sound engineers in a new media group, there's a lot of work to laying down tracks and mixing them.

All challenges we could overcome.
The biggest challenge would be choosing the charity to donate profits to (if there were any profits).

I think Kenny is right, it would have to be a labor of love.

Do we have any members familiar with the recording industry?

How many people would be willing to submit their playing?
Remember, we have a "Members Recordings" forum, and I haven't seen much activity there...
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/forum/29.html

Let's keep the dialogue going.
Posted by: MizMelody2001

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 06:02 AM

Bylli Crayone runs his own independent record label just ourside of Boston. He does PR professionally as well as being a dance/club music artist. He has a lot of valuable connections in the music field and just might be willing to help. I'll help in any way I can. It sounds like a great idea!
Posted by: apple*

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 06:15 AM

I vaguely remember Derick (I think) mentioning reviving the 'Make a Wish' program.

I love the idea of a charitable opportunity for our 'group'.

I'd buy a CD. I'd also buy a Piano World Sweatshirt.
Posted by: kenny

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 06:56 AM

Frank
I'm not sure my playing would reach the bar but I'd give it the old college try. \:\)

How would we pick?
Solely on technical level?
Musicality?
Most advanced pieces?
How "good" of a forum member he/she is?
Post count?
What if 10 new members rush to join who are great players, and win but have a post count of 2?
Lowest member number?
How much they have supported Pianoworld financially?
Would members just submit a tape?
Would members travel to a studio?
Would we rent time in a local studio at our own expense?

All classical, or jazz and other styles?

How about a CD of liberals and one CD of conservatives? \:\)
Posted by: Piano World

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 07:08 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by kenny:
Frank
I'm not sure my playing would reach the bar but I'd give it the old college try. \:\)

How would we pick?
Solely on technical level?
Musicality?
Most impressive pieces?
How "good" of a forum member he/she is?
Post count?
What if 10 new members join who are great players, and win but have a post count of 2?
Lowest member number?
How much money they have spend at Pianoworld?
Would members just submit a tape?
Would members travel to a studio?
Would we rent time in a local studio at our own expense?

All classical, or jazz and other styles?

How about a CD of liberals and one of conservatives? \:\) [/b]
 Quote:
How would we pick?
I can set up polls that only allow people to vote one time for each entry.

I think it should be based on musicality.
If enough people enjoy it, it's good.

Recording would be a challenge. Although a number of members have very nice pianos, I doubt many people have good recording equipment.

There have been posts in the past about techniques for recording the piano, somebody should dig up those threads for us (hint, hint).

I think the music should span the spectrum, after all this is PIANO WORLD
Posted by: netizen

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 07:12 AM

I like this idea !
Posted by: jdsher

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 08:19 AM

Kenny: What I imagined was that regular members would record their own playing. If this means borrowing some studio time or simply micing their own pianos at home and converting them to MP3s. I've listened to old recordings of Horowitz from the 40's that don't sound terrible because a studio engineer can clean up alot of background noise, etc. What might end up happening is some of the recording folks who hang out here might jump in with free studio time, or a referral to another colleague in a different city or state that is willing to donate some time and expertise. The payoff for them is 1) feeling good about donating or 2) having their name on a CD liner.
As far as which recordings to pick, I would recommend that we have members send in a home recording first for forum members to vote on. Pick a weeks time for the voting to occur in. At the end we pick the top ten plus or minus one or two pieces for running length. Then we work on sound quality issues. If some of the home recordings are good enough we leave them alone, if not then we figure out how to make them better.
I think we should except all styles of music including original work.
"What if 10 new members join who are great players, and win but have a post count of 2?"
In this case it will be up to the forum members to vote their conscience. If they believe someone has registered just to self promote then let them respond by not voting.
Jon
Posted by: ycul

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 09:04 AM

Good, practical thoughts there. I agree about the independant recording. I've done quite a bit of that over the last few years. Because of the advances in digital technology it's now pretty straightforward to get a good quality sound recording relatively cheap.
All any members interested in submitting a recording would have to do is get their hands on a half decent mike-an NT2 maybe and some kind of digital recording medium like a mini-disc/portable D.A.T. or a hard disc recorder. I hope I'm not irritating anyone by making this sound easier than it might be for some people, I'm probably a bit spoilt with the company I keep.
One of the last recording sessions I did was *remote* and was flown into the track by the engineer at a later date.
The voting system sounds very fair.
Me and my fella could design some C.D. covers btw.
Posted by: ycul

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 09:06 AM

 Quote:
To be sung in the best "Bill Murray" imitation voice possible.
Hmmmmmm... I watched Lost in Translation the other night. That bloke is gorgeous!

Apologies for thread diversion. ;\)
Posted by: jodi

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 09:13 AM

Off topic: I want a sweatshirt. Do we have sweatshirts?

\:\)
Posted by: netizen

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 09:20 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by jodi:
Off topic: I want a sweatshirt. Do we have sweatshirts?

\:\) [/b]
I want a mousepad.
Posted by: RealPlayer

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 09:26 AM

People keep telling me I should record my piano. Maybe this is the chance to do it. Somebody else would have to bring in some equipment, though, 'cause all I have is a Sony TCD-5 cassette unit and one el cheapo electret mic.

We may have to worry about street noise, but a weekend or evening would mitigate that somewhat.

Good idea, Jon!!
Posted by: Derick

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 09:40 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Piano World:

Recording would be a challenge. Although a number of members have very nice pianos, I doubt many people have good recording equipment.[/b]
Therein lies the biggest challenge. I made a recording with new, $500+ mics that I borrowed, and it's awful. I did everything I could with the .mp3 editing software I have but to no avail. I guess you simply can't turn aluminium into gold no matter how sophisticated the technology is.

In any case, I would not be willing to submit a recording as I'm looking to make a CD of my own. If this guy, Patrik , can and be written up in the NY Times, I should receive rave reviews from every major newspaper across the country. And the PianoWorld CD should skyrocket to #1 within days of its release. The entire forum will be invited to the Grammy's next year and Frank will give the acceptance speech. (BTW, I'm almost positive Patrik is fibbing... I think he's playing a digital Imperial, or else the recording sucks big time. The piano sounds like hell IMHO.)

Nevertheless, I'd be happy to donate the green stuff.

Derick
Posted by: jdsher

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 09:40 AM

Go for it RealPlayer. Let your recording be the first one. Have you thought about what piece of music you would like to record?
Jon
Posted by: piqué

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 10:46 AM

what a great idea. i'd love to submit a recording but i am clueless on the technology end. maybe those of you who know what you are doing can tell the rest of us a simple and inexpensive way we can produce a decent recording and get it online.

it will be like an electronic piano party! what fun!
Posted by: Jeff Bauer

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 10:56 AM

I would be willing to contribute.

Pique, I don't know if MP3s would be the best way to go because of compatability with most CD players.. but of course if enough people get involved, it may be the only way to avoid having multiple CDs (or maybe multiple CDs isn't a bad thing).

I have a basic recording studio at home, and a portable hard disk recording device +2 mics. If anyone in the area wanted to cut some tracks, I could probably find a way to accomodate them.

Gives me a reason to fire up the studio again, something my wife has been nagging me to do (and myself).
Posted by: Derick

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 11:03 AM

But .mp3's are easily converted into .wav files which eliminates the compatibility problem.

Derick
Posted by: kenny

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 11:09 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Angelino Jazzer:
I would be willing to contribute.


I have a basic recording studio at home, and a portable hard disk recording device +2 mics. If anyone in the area wanted to cut some tracks, I could probably find a way to accomodate them.
[/b]
Very gracious of you Angelino.
I considered taking you up on it.
Then I remembered when I used to record myself on guitar.
I would record a million takes.
For some reason recording makes me more nervous than playing for people; I would make a lot of mistakes.
I think this is is best done alone.
Then I am only wasting my own time.

You may want to rethink the offer.
It may eat up a lot of your time. \:\(
Posted by: Axtremus

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 11:09 AM

I want to relay my experience with another Internet community where we have put out a CD compilation containing works by community members.

It worked out like this:
  • Every submission MUST have a release form stating that the submitter has the right to make the submission and that he gives the community the right to use the track "as is" for the sole purpose of including it in the CD compilation. This is to protect the community from intellectual property law suite.
  • Every submission is advised to stay within 5 minutes.
  • Every one submitting will send a $75 cheque along - the cheque will get cashed if the submission makes it to the CD and AFTER the CD's are pressed.
  • Every submission includes the following: The name of the band/artist/composer, the title of the track, a short description/write-up about the music, and optionally a picture.
  • There's a design firm designated to design the CD liner/booklet, and an audio engineering studio designated to do the "mastering" work for the CD.
  • Those whose works are included (and paid $75) would get 25 copies of the CD's (including liner notes and covers, of course) for them to do as they wish. Some number of CD's are retained for sale by the community to help with fund-raising.
  • There is an exception for "financially struggling artists" where by the can submit a track for free, but if their track makes it to the CD, they'll get only 1 copy of the CD.


The above just describes what another online community went through to get their first CD compilation out (500 CD's on first pressing, if I remember right). Said community is now working on the second compilation. They did not have to reject any submission because there weren't that many to begin with for their first compilation. It's not a music-centric online community, and all submissions are original works. Furthermore, a 5-minute per track restriction (not strictly followed, just a general guideline) would allow them to accommodate 15 submissions per 75-minute CD. (Their first compilation ended up with 14 tracks - longest track is 12 min. 10 sec., shortest track is 54 sec., 10 tracks are under 4 min.) It will require patience -- it took them a year to pull off the first compilation, mostly waiting for folks to complete their recordings and submit tracks, get all the release forms in line, etc. Professional CD pressing was actually the easier part for them.

Their model may or may not work for Piano World - because Piano World is music-centric, and without restricting submissions to original work, pretty much any one can play any old classical composition in public domain and submit something. Furthermore, a Beethoven sonata can easily eat up half an audio CD.

On the up side, Piano World members appear to be financially better off - so funding such a project won't be as challenging. With sufficient funding, a multi-CD compilation may be possible.

People do have the tendency to over-estimate the number of folks who would be willing to submit recordings. But, if Piano World indeed gets too many submissions to fill an audio CD, how about making MP3 CD's instead. If that's not enough, how about pressing DVD's with MP3 files on it?

That said, I also believe that this would most likely have to be a labor of love. And, yes, I would support such a project with a submission and some humble amount of green stuff (no, I'm not going to play Greensleeves). \:\)
Posted by: kenny

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 11:29 AM

I am not familiar with recording on a computer.
Would these musical pieces have to be played through without editing?

Or do people cut and paste together the best sections from each of their 200 takes?

Frankenmusic.
Posted by: Piano World

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/25/04 11:49 AM

Thanks Axtremus,

Nice overview of what we might expect to run into. And good point about the release forms!
Posted by: jdsher

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 10:03 AM

Great post Axtremus. Should we begin asking members to start posting recording now? Once we reach 25-30 recordings, then we can take a poll on which to included, or we could include all on either DVD, multiple CDs, or MP3s.
Thanks for all the great input.
Jon
Posted by: Brendan

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 11:34 AM

I will submit something for this.
Posted by: Ralph Bugknocker

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 11:36 AM

Submit your recording of the "Andante Spianato (spelling?) and Grand Polonaise Brilliante".
Posted by: wldrumstcs

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 01:10 PM

jdsher, I used a Korg D1200MKII Digital Recording Studio and 2 Oktava MK-012 microphones, one for bass, one for trebble. The piano is a Steinway New York B. Thanks for the compliment!


Here are some pics of the setup:

EDIT: I posted new pictures that are much better in quality![/b]
http://www.tidbitfacts.com/piano/DSCN0546.JPG
http://www.tidbitfacts.com/piano/DSCN0547.JPG
http://www.tidbitfacts.com/piano/DSCN0545.JPG

I would be willing to contribute to this project!
Posted by: netizen

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 01:12 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by wldrumstcs:
jdsher, I used a Korg D1200MKII D1200 MKII Digital Recording Studio and 2 Oktava MK-012 microphones, one for bass, one for trebble. The piano is a Steinway New York B. Thanks for the compliment!


Here are some pics of the setup:
(Quality is TERRIBLE, but you get the idea)

http://www.tidbitfacts.com/piano/DSCN0543.jpg
http://www.tidbitfacts.com/piano/DSCN0544.jpg
http://www.tidbitfacts.com/piano/DSCN0545.jpg

I would be willing to contribute to this project! [/b]
I get a 404 blank page error following those links.
Posted by: wldrumstcs

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 01:12 PM

now try...
Posted by: jdsher

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 01:26 PM

Wldrumstcs: Thanks for the info.
For those who haven't checked the members recording section in a while, you should go and listen to Dave's recording, it sounds great.
Jon
Posted by: Tom--K

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 02:34 PM

 Quote:
Posted by kenny: Then I remembered when I used to record myself on guitar.
[/b]
How about a Coffee Room guitar album?
Posted by: plays88skeys

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 02:37 PM

I would buy that just to hear the adorable TomK making music!
Posted by: kenny

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 02:51 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Tom-*K:
 Quote:
Posted by kenny: Then I remembered when I used to record myself on guitar.
[/b]
How about a Coffee Room guitar album? [/b]
No way!
Not today.
10 years ago maybe.
Posted by: Tom--K

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 02:58 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by kenny:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Tom-*K:
 Quote:
Posted by kenny: Then I remembered when I used to record myself on guitar.
[/b]
How about a Coffee Room guitar album? [/b]
No way!
Not today.
10 years ago maybe. [/b]
10 years ago for me, too!

kenny,

Though, I'd bet that a Piano World guitar album would outsell a Piano World piano album--2 to 1. \:\)
Posted by: bcarey

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 03:10 PM

Great idea!

Not to put a damper on the enthusiasm, but would any of the pieces be subject to royalties? That could put a new (expensive) twist into the project. Something to think about.
Posted by: Renauda

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 03:13 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Tom-*K:
 Quote:
Posted by kenny: Then I remembered when I used to record myself on guitar.
[/b]
How about a Coffee Room guitar album? [/b]
I'm game.
Posted by: KlavierBauer

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 03:15 PM

I'd be interested in submitting something for this, though I have no recordings right now.

I don't fancy myself "good enough" to be on a CD, but I do feel that I'm part of the community, and would be interested in contributing to such a wonderful idea.

I might be able to record something if I get some help though, and depending on the time frame I'd be very interested in doing this.
Posted by: Diarmuid2

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 03:39 PM

I'm in 100%. I also have some experience with regard to recording. You can have my performance of the Liszt Romance in E Minor if it's good enough and any and all recording questions are welcomed. I can also put forward recordings from concerts pianists I have worked with (subject to their permission - but they're all good eggs essentially!).

Basic ideas on home recording:

1. Use a close micing technique i.e. a pair of mics (or a stereo mic) about a foot over the strings and a foot away from the hammers (but do experiment). Try the mics as close together as possible and with the diaphragms at 90 degrees (one perpendicular to the treble and one perpendicular to the base).If not a pair of mics then make do with one.

2. The mics will have to be plugged into some sort of recording device. If using two mics or a stereo mic trying using a stereo to minijack cable into a minidisc player. The resulting minidiscs can be sent to me and I will convert them to CD. Other methods could include plugging the mics into a pre-amp and then using a stereo to minijack cable directly into the soundcard on your computer and recording with a program like Cool Edit 2000. You can also buy or rent a hardisk recorder and plug the mics into that.
Posted by: Axtremus

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 04:17 PM

(Warning: LONG POST)
Thinking more about the Piano World music compilation project, this is what I think we can do for the first compilation:

  • First and foremost, get a sense of how much music we will get submitted. It's hard to plan further without knowing how much music/submission we will have to deal with. SUGGESTED ACTION PLAN:
    • Set a deadline (say, September 30, 2004) for people to declare their intention to submit a recording. It's not a set-in-stone commitment, but people should be fairly certain that they will follow-through on what they say they intend to submit before they make that declaration.
    • A new thread will be setup for the above purpose - folks who want to submit will post on that designated thread stating the title of the piece and how long the recording is expected to last.
    • THEN, set a second deadline for people to actually submit their material (more on this later).


    [*]Frank is certainly the authority on what Piano World should be - but I get the sense that Piano World is more a community about regular folks who care about pianos and want to share their enthusiasm about the piano with each other, not exclusive to the elites who can buy the most expensive pianos or the geniuses who can give the best performances on the piano. So my first inclination is to shoot for an inclusive approach that will accommodate every one who manage to submit a recording in time. [/b] Don't exclude people from the compilation on the get go. We can always have a vote for the "top 10" or something after the compilation discs are released. You can be creative about other voting categories too, just for fun, like "most creative submission," "most unorthodox interpretation of a classical piece," "weirdest sounding piano," - all for good fun.
    [*]Even though I expressed confidence in Piano World members' abilities and willingness to fund the project, I think it's still prudent to keep the cost as low as possible. Given the all-inclusive suggestion made above, it is quite possible that the amount of material getting submitted will fill more than one Audio CD (e.g., one Chopin Op. 22 from Brendan will fill one quarter of an Audio CD, another Walstein sonata from some one else will fill up a third of an Audio CD). The cost of a multi-CD compilation would be high. So the following suggestions are made to keep cost low:
    • Make MP3 CDs as the base line. It's a safe assumption that every Piano World member has access to a computer, so listening to MP3 recordings won't be a problem. And people can always burn their own Audio CD's from those MP3 files if they want to. (Yes, MP3 won't be as good as true Audio CD - but we're not talking about professional recordings here.)
    • Instead of making a printed CD booklet, let's include a PDF file of the booklet in the CD, so folks can print their own CD booklet. (Piano World has the option to sell hard-copies of the booklets later for further fund-raising without first committing to printing all the booklets up front to go with the CDs - can even make super-deluxe leather bound version then!)

  • [*]About actually submitting a recording:
    • Set a deadline (say, December 31, 2004) - people should submit all their material by this deadline.
    • A submission MUST include:
      • The recording itself (either a CD via mail, AIFF files, or MP3)
      • A release form with the submitter's real name and signature stating that they allow Piano World to use the submitted material royalty-free for the sole purpose of making the music compilation. (I can provide a sample, but I suspect it'll be a simple thing for any lawyer here to draw one up that's fair to submitters and give Frank and Piano World sufficient legal protection.)
      • The basic information about the recording: Name of composer and Title of the piece (or opus number as appropriate).

    • [*]A submission MAY OPTIONALLY include:
      • Any textual information the submitter wants to submit to accompany their recording - this will be included into the CD booklet. So, let's say, half a page maximum. It can be a "concert note" sort of thing, it can describe your recording setup, if can explain your original composition, etc. Whatever you want it to be.
      • A picture. Can be a picture of the pianist and/or the piano, or just a picture that you figure would go nicely with the piece you recorded. Just make sure you're not submitting copyrighted material that you cannot legally let Piano World reproduce.


    [*]Mastering of the CD's - probably not an issue if we're going with MP3's. It will be nice to have some one going through every file and adjust volumes with ID3 tags in the files, but this is definitely much simpler than mastering an Audio CD. This person will also prepare the "master discs" that will be sent to the commercial CD press to make copies. If submission volume is small enough to fit an Audio CD - then we'll worry about Audio CD mastering.
    [*]Making the CD booklet - basically a small Desktop Publishing job. Need one volunteer to put the submitted information (one submission per page) into some kind of fixed (or at least consistent) format and generate a PDF file out of it.
    [*]Cover page art optional - something that can be easily handled by another volunteer.
    [*]Cover page art may be submitted together with "master discs" for use as labels on CD's.
    [*]Needless to say, we need a central coordinator to track all submissions and dispatch the proper pieces to the proper volunteers (e.g., the "booklet volunteer," the "CD mastering" volunteer, and deal with the commercial CD press).
    [*]End product will be sold on Piano World, of course! ;)

Even though I use the word "volunteer" in many places above, I was going by the assumption that we want to minimize cost and that there are willing volunteers, but we can certainly subcontract the tasks to professionals if we demand professional quality work and are willing to fund it. (I certainly wouldn't mind volunteering/helping out with central coordination or even mastering the CD's, but I am not so confident with the other tasks outlined above.)
Posted by: jdsher

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 05:24 PM

Axtremus, you have my vote for central coordinator. I don't have any recording skills, but I would be willing to help in any way that's necessary.
Questions: Do you think we could raise any money after everything is said and done? If so, how would we decide what charity to donate proceeds to? A vote by members after a list of suggestions?
Should we post another thread asking for submissions and an explanation of our intentions?
Posted by: Diarmuid2

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 05:50 PM

Ax, you've got my vote.
Posted by: Axtremus

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 06:28 PM

With regards to how much it would cost, I don't think we can tell until we have an idea of how much material people will submit (1 CD versus 2 CDs versus more, cost will vary).

With regards to what charity to donate to, etc. Let's not count the chicken when we do not even have an egg in our hand. I am not sure if we would be able to break even.

I suppose some kind of cost estimate can be put together after we get an idea of how much material will get submitted. More can be planned then. \:\)

Piano World is Frank's baby -- so ... let's hear what Frank has to say before we jump on stuff.
Posted by: wldrumstcs

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/26/04 06:46 PM

Axtremus, you're the man. Great ideas! I would be more than willing to put ID3 tags on every piece and adjusting the volume. In addition, I would also be glad to submit any music. I plan on re-recording the 2nd movement of the Mozart Sonata that I recorded until it is absolutely perfect! I am really excited about this project!
Posted by: Chris W1

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/27/04 01:13 PM

I can see a number of people shedding some serious time at the keys for this one.

I'm with AX. A deadline to notify the intent to submit and another (simultaneous, or not) deadline to have the recording sent in. It would be nice, for those able to digitize in mp3 or wav, if there were a repository we could set up for uploading. I've only got the typical space with my high speed account (10MB). We'd probably need several giga-bites to get it all in one place.

Chris
Posted by: wldrumstcs

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/27/04 03:21 PM

Ok, I have my own site, and I have 800mb of upload space available. I would be more than happy to host the mp3's. I doubt it would be gigabytes worth, but certainly a few 100 megabytes.
Posted by: Axtremus

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/27/04 03:45 PM

I'm guessing people who want to submit MP3's should be able to do so by "uploading" over the net.

That 800 Mbytes space would be plenty because it's its only needed to temporarily cache people's upload. Actual processing of those uploaded files can be done off-line on some other machine with its own local storage (e.g., wldrumstcs can off load those files to his PC for MP3/ID3 processing there -- once off-loaded to PC, space on server becomes available again for other uploads).

We can also accept mailed-in CD-R to accomodate those who want to send in REALLY BIG files. And I can arrange for more space for upload caching if needed. ;\)

So it looks like we have the "upload repository" angle covered. Woohoo!
Posted by: Jeanne W

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/27/04 05:18 PM

Super idea! Great for PW members.

I'd love to hear PW members and also to contribute something of my own for the project. I'd need to practice and practice, though. I'm an undisciplined pianist, I don't practice and make too many mistakes. I played something on the piano this week and tape recorded it. Gads. it's awful. I'd need to practice intelligently and then I may still need lots of takes until I get it right - so I could submit the best take. I'd only submit something for consideration if I thought it sounded good enough.

Re: possibly having the opportunity to record in a professional studio. How many PW members would feel comfortable doing this? I bet there'd be some, but I probably wouldn't be a good candidate. I'd need to get over some amount of nerves.

I try to consider the other person in most everything and am very conscious of not wanting to impose on others, so I wouldn't want to be taking up studio time unless I knew I could do it. (Maybe I need a confidence check or big dose of daring-do?)

As an alternative, if I couldn't get the performance right on my own, I wonder if there are any PW members out there who'd be willing to learn and play a piece of my music for the CD? It would be an original piece of music.

Again, I love this idea. I would buy a copy and donate $$ to help make this possible.

We really are growing into a real community here; heck, maybe even one big functional (disfunctional?) Family?

What am I thinking? I just realized...I haven't bought a new piano yet. I've still got the Kimbal spinet. I don't even have a decent piano to record on...

Jeanne W
Posted by: Piano World

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/28/04 07:59 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Axtremus:
I'm guessing people who want to submit MP3's should be able to do so by "uploading" over the net.

That 800 Mbytes space would be plenty because it's its only needed to temporarily cache people's upload. Actual processing of those uploaded files can be done off-line on some other machine with its own local storage (e.g., wldrumstcs can off load those files to his PC for MP3/ID3 processing there -- once off-loaded to PC, space on server becomes available again for other uploads).

We can also accept mailed-in CD-R to accomodate those who want to send in REALLY BIG files. And I can arrange for more space for upload caching if needed. ;\)

So it looks like we have the "upload repository" angle covered. Woohoo! [/b]
If more space is needed, Piano World has "Unlimited" storage space (according to our host). It's bandwidth I get clobbered on.
Posted by: Axtremus

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/28/04 08:17 AM

Frank, please see private message. \:\)
Posted by: Kevin_dup1

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/30/04 09:17 AM

Since this is a public forum, and since people who use it come from a variety of backgrounds and skill levels,
Posted by: Kevin_dup1

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/30/04 09:22 AM

Sorry! Hit a key by accident!!!

Anyway...I wanted to suggest that to properly represent the forum, I think those contributing to the CD should reflect the variety of skill and talent; perhaps the pieces could be grouped (beginner, intermediate, advanced, ensemble). I think there would be some real inspiration, for example, for an adult beginner to be able to record his or her piece and have it on a CD.

Kevin
Posted by: jdsher

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/30/04 11:02 AM

Excellent idea Kevin.
OK Axtremus, let's start talking deadlines. How about September 30, 2004 for sign up, and November 31, 2004 for uploads? You've made it perfectly clear that there isn't going to be any way to get this done in time for the holidays, so let's get the important stuff done before the holiday crunch.
Jon
Posted by: wldrumstcs

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/30/04 01:46 PM

That sounds like a good idea Kevin!

For the MP3's, I will get some sort of uploading system going on my website soon. If you want, we could do this all through my site. I could set the registration up, allow ppl to upload their MP3's, etc... I am pretty good at web design kind of stuff.

Frank and whoever else (I assume jdsher and Axtremus too) would like to have access to the database would be more than welcome to.

jdsher, check your PM...
Posted by: Diarmuid2

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/30/04 02:47 PM

Really good ides \:\)
Posted by: Axtremus

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/30/04 07:15 PM

Yes, Kevin, we'll be shooting for an all-inclusive compilation where pianists at all levels will be accommodated (see the long post somewhere near the middle of page 2 of this thread).

jdsher, Wldrumstcs, Frank, et al. ... just want to let you all know that I'm working on a set of coordinated posts to get this project started. You will see them real soon. ;\) (Yes, first dead line will be on Sep.30.)
Posted by: RealPlayer

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/30/04 07:38 PM

Still would like to participate but have no idea how to contribute via MP3, etc. Sorry, but I am not as computer-savvy as most of you. Also, most of the music I play is not in the public domain, so that's perhaps another difficulty.

If we can sort it all out, perhaps then...maybe by the time of the second release!!! \:D

BTW, have a look at my piano photos soon. They're uploaded to a photo site, and I'm trying to find a way to let you all see them.
Posted by: katie_dup1

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/30/04 08:00 PM

Excellent thread .... Great Idea ..... I'd buy a CD with all my favorite PW Artists on it ...... Definitely ..... Perhaps on this CD though, *the types* of pianos can be cited ;\) ;\) (Just a little pet-peeve of mine)

But Back to the Sweatshirts ..... & T-shirts !!! ..... I want one of each ..... Please start selling these !!
Posted by: Axtremus

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/30/04 11:48 PM

The Piano World Member's Recording Compilation Project (PW-MRCP)[/b] aims to create a compilation of recordings by Piano World members. The deliverable of this project will be a set of professionally pressed CD's containing recordings submitted by Piano World members.

Now soliciting recordings from members.[/b]

Please see:
Posted by: gryphon

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/30/04 11:59 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Axtremus:
Frank, please see private message. \:\) [/b]
Frank doesn't read private messages. See me for details.

Hi, Frank. \:D
Posted by: EHpianist

Re: I had an idea, could we do this? - 08/31/04 02:57 AM

Joe,

Most if not all of the composers you play are alive today, I'm sure you can contact them. Aside from the bigger names, such as Ligeti, Boulez, etc. you could probably get written permission from most. They all want as much exposure as possible anyway.

I found Corigliano to be most accomodating with us selling our CD with his piece in it.

There are several options to hooking up sound to your computer, you can record extenally and then pass it to you computer via a sound card (most have one) or you can hook up a cheap mic to you computer to record directly. The biggest pain is making sure you have the right connectors from one thing to the other but they sell adapters for most connectors.

You can also RENT equipment for a day if you don't have the right stuff. Something i forgot to put in my post on the Recording advice...

Elena
http://www.pianofourhands.com