Pianist Corner or Playground

Posted by: Hakki

Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/05/12 01:55 PM

Is it just me, or do you also have a feeling that this place has turned to a playground recently?
Posted by: gooddog

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/05/12 01:56 PM

Recently?

The simple solution is to choose which posts to participate in and duck out when they take a wrong turn.
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/05/12 02:03 PM

Not more than usual. smile

Although maybe I've just been fortunate not to click on some things....

BTW I've sometimes thought of that metaphor too, because there's one member in particular who likes to throw mud on things.
Posted by: Kuanpiano

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/05/12 03:34 PM

Sometimes the politeness (or lack of?) on this board reminds me of Youtube though...
Posted by: jdw

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/05/12 03:57 PM

Gee, I thought this thread would be about how much fun it was!
Posted by: beet31425

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/05/12 04:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Hakki
Is it just me, or do you also have a feeling that this place has turned to a playground recently?


Be the change you want to see. Start interesting topics and make substantive contributions. Above all: ignore whoever you don't like. Because of the way the forum lists its topics, any attention you give them provides energy to the childish, the petty, the name-callers.

-J
Posted by: -Frycek

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/05/12 06:09 PM

So? Who doesn't need a playground?
Posted by: notbach

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/05/12 06:46 PM

Posted by: argerichfan

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/05/12 08:24 PM

Hakki, this seems rather bitchy of you.

Like any discussion board, there is a signal to noise ratio, no surprise there.

When there is a topic I feel I have something concrete to contribute, I post. But sometimes certain topics are just a way of having fun, sort of relaxing, so why miss out? That can be fun too!

I also find it interesting that a number of members who I respect -gooddog, Mark, Kuanpiano, beet31425, Frycek (I don't have a history with the others)- have posted here.

Hakki, not to worry. I always read your posts, and thank-you for being a member here. thumb
Posted by: Horowitzian

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/05/12 09:09 PM

As the others above have said...pick and choose what topics you participate in. And help keep the level of discussion high by starting quality topics. I mostly read these days, but every once in a while I have something to start a topic about. laugh
Posted by: Cinnamonbear

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/05/12 09:29 PM

Full moon, probably. Should calm down, now.
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/05/12 09:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Horowitzian
As the others above have said...pick and choose what topics you participate in. And help keep the level of discussion high by starting quality topics. I mostly read these days, but every once in a while I have something to start a topic about. laugh

MORE, MORE! grin
Posted by: Horowitzian

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 12:09 AM

Maybe a topic about Mark's post count? smirk
Posted by: Skorpius

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 12:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Hakki
Is it just me, or do you also have a feeling that this place has turned to a playground recently?


Why are you so uptight? Geez, it's an online forum, lighten up.
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 01:04 AM

Originally Posted By: Horowitzian
Maybe a topic about Mark's post count? smirk

I guess you mean how I've slowed down.... grin

BTW you might be interested to click on the sig....
Posted by: ChopinAddict

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 01:24 AM

Well, we all play the piano... smile
Posted by: evilpacman18

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 02:21 AM

I'm new here so I don't know what it was like before, but I kind of like the feel this forum has. Granted, the forums I've participated in the most previously to this are the Rap & Hip-hop and Rock & Pop sections of Yahoo Answers, a couple of Guitar Hero forums, and a forum for playing mafia online (it's a popular logic game, more often played in person). So I'm probably used to this absence of uptightness.
I mean I just posted a topic about iTunes organization that had nothing to do with the section I posted it in, really, but I felt like I was in the right when someone came in the thread just to ask me how it relates to playing the piano at all. Call me an iconoclast.
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 02:29 AM

Originally Posted By: evilpacman18
....and a forum for playing mafia online (it's a popular logic game, more often played in person)....

Makes sense -- mafia has always relied on 'logic,' often very much in person. grin

Quote:
...Call me an iconoclast.

OK, but I might forget sometimes and call you evilpacman. ha

I remember when I first learned the word (in school) -- it was exciting because a few days later, they had it on Jeopardy.
Posted by: evilpacman18

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 04:23 AM

Pianist playground would serve alliterative purposes nicely. Maybe someone should change that.
Posted by: stores

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 04:33 AM

Originally Posted By: Horowitzian
Maybe a topic about Mark's post count? smirk


Please don't. (just erased a rather lengthy reply here)
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 04:56 AM

Originally Posted By: stores
Please don't. (just erased a rather lengthy reply here)

It's flattering that you were interested to spend the time on all that. ha
Posted by: wr

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 05:46 AM

Originally Posted By: evilpacman18

I mean I just posted a topic about iTunes organization that had nothing to do with the section I posted it in, really, but I felt like I was in the right when someone came in the thread just to ask me how it relates to playing the piano at all. Call me an iconoclast.


There used to be a forum here at PW for off-topic discussions; it was closed down. If this forum is inundated with enough off-topic threads, maybe it will get shut down, too.

Entropy does seem to be more noticeable here recently. PW needs to do its part in contributing to the heat death of the universe, I suppose.
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 12:50 PM

Originally Posted By: wr
....Entropy does seem to be more noticeable here recently....

I don't agree. At least I haven't noticed it.

Anyway "noticed entropy" would be a hard thing to measure. grin
Posted by: Janus K. Sachs

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 12:56 PM

Originally Posted By: wr
Entropy does seem to be more noticeable here recently. PW needs to do its part in contributing to the heat death of the universe, I suppose.
Maybe PW has entered the Degenerate Era.
Posted by: Thracozaag

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 01:00 PM

Only ten to the 50th power more years then until we're inundated with black holes.
Posted by: JoelW

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 01:07 PM

Originally Posted By: argerichfan
Hakki, this seems rather bitchy of you.


Wasn't expecting that! lol
Posted by: evilpacman18

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 01:25 PM

Worrying about the pianist corner sub-forum of pianoworld.com shutting down because of a perceived degradation of quality in posting is just slightly inane.

But I'm the arbiter of deconstruction, maybe that's just what I want you to believe. Maybe I just want to be the joker to your batman, the Satie to your Debussy, the C.P.E. to your J.S.
Posted by: Janus K. Sachs

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 01:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Thracozaag
Only ten to the 50th power more years then until we're inundated with black holes.
Heh. Given how huge the PWverse will be by then, "inundated" is hardly the word I would use.

Sheeesh, I just ruined my own bad joke.

But seriously, do you think protons decay?
Posted by: evilpacman18

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 01:30 PM

I'm kind of in a weird mood. It's monday and I have to get back to being productive after playing Halo and watching movies all weekend while I was not practicing so my wrist could heal.
Posted by: Thracozaag

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 01:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Janus K. Sachs
Originally Posted By: Thracozaag
Only ten to the 50th power more years then until we're inundated with black holes.
Heh. Given how huge the PWverse will be by then, "inundated" is hardly the word I would use.

Sheeesh, I just ruined my own bad joke.

But seriously, do you think protons decay?


No experimental evidence yet, but if any of the GUT's are actually proven to be true (hopefully), it has to exist, depressing as that might be.
Posted by: Janus K. Sachs

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 01:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Thracozaag
Originally Posted By: Janus K. Sachs
Originally Posted By: Thracozaag
Only ten to the 50th power more years then until we're inundated with black holes.
Heh. Given how huge the PWverse will be by then, "inundated" is hardly the word I would use.

Sheeesh, I just ruined my own bad joke.

But seriously, do you think protons decay?


No experimental evidence yet, but if any of the GUT's are actually proven to be true (hopefully), it has to exist, depressing as that might be.
Certainly depressing, but the alternative -- turning into a form of iron -- isn't exactly a picnic.
Posted by: Hakki

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 01:57 PM

Ok, I might be a bit intolerant these days, since I have been diagnosed with ulnar nerve entrapment recently, and yet I have to play in a major amateur competition next month.

Still my situation is less pathetic compared to someone who can play Chopin scherzi, but can't decide which Beethoven sonata to play, because he has only heard one and particularly doesn't like Beethoven.
Though the answer is obvious. He should learn the "Pathetique", which perfectly suits his situation.

While a debate on whether modern pianists are standardized or not are being discussed, we get to know that one of those modern pianists has unfortunately lost her life. That thread almost gets a fraction of replies of the above threads. And, yet, I can't think of anybody that would suggest that this is not a great loss since she is one those modern standardized pianists who can easily be replaced.

Imaginary people asking imaginary questions about Mazeppa and when asked to post a recording, replying with an imaginary answer that their piano is out of tune, they can't record etc.

Somebody doubting whether Chopin could play his own etudes, another one who wants to play the first two pages of Rachmaninoff 2nd but doesn't know how to play it with clarity.
Another one who has mastered the first two pages of op.25/11 and asks whether he should learn the whole thing to impress his teenager friends.

It seems as if this forum is being misused by a few as an online game, who's imaginary characters score for the replies they get.

I for one do not want to get involved in this,
and feel upset seeing some of our beloved real members being deceived.
Posted by: evilpacman18

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 02:08 PM

Since my post count is in the 60's, maybe I shouldn't talk, but from my previous forum experience, I think it's safe to say that any forum will have the people who are around to stay, who have ridiculous post counts or are working on it, who perpetuate useful and interesting conversation, and improve the quality of this forum. Then there's gonna be the people whose join date is some time yesterday, making topics without reading the site ToS, asking asinine questions that common sense can answer, and then never posting again. It happens with every forum. It's just a sign that this place is growing, probably. There's still enough good topics to go around, and if you have to swim through a few topics like "help me read this measure in my poorly printed score," or "help me find the sheet music for some Elegy by some composer," well that's the internet.

I guess I fall into the middle of those two groups. I mean the first thing I posted on this forum was a thread about the Revolutionary Etude and I never read the ToS. But I'm sticking around and participating laugh
Posted by: Franz Beebert

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 02:10 PM

I am sorry about what you have been diagnosed with.. But don't attack the person posted the thread about which Beethoven sonata to choose and call it pathetic. This makes me think that you are wrong about your situation, I think that your situation is way more pathetic. Actually the most pathetic thing with your situation is that you don't know what situation you are in. I am sorry, but don't dare call people who wants some help for pathetic.
Originally Posted By: Hakki
Ok, I might be a bit intolerant these days, since I have been diagnosed with ulnar nerve entrapment recently, and yet I have to play in a major amateur competition next month.

Still my situation is less pathetic compared to someone who can play Chopin scherzi, but can't decide which Beethoven sonata to play, because he has only heard one and particularly doesn't like Beethoven.
Though the answer is obvious. He should learn the "Pathetique", which perfectly suits his situation.

While a debate on whether modern pianists are standardized or not are being discussed, we get to know that one of those modern pianists has unfortunately lost her life. That thread almost gets a fraction of replies of the above threads. And, yet, I can't think of anybody that would suggest that this is not a great loss since she is one those modern standardized pianists who can easily be replaced.

Imaginary people asking imaginary questions about Mazeppa and when asked to post a recording, replying with an imaginary answer that their piano is out of tune, they can't record etc.

Somebody doubting whether Chopin could play his own etudes, another one who wants to play the first two pages of Rachmaninoff 2nd but doesn't know how to play it with clarity.
Another one who has mastered the first two pages of op.25/11 and asks whether he should learn the whole thing to impress his teenager friends.

It seems as if this forum is being misused by a few as an online game, who's imaginary characters score for the replies they get.

I for one do not want to get involved in this,
and feel upset seeing some of our beloved real members being deceived.


Posted by: Thracozaag

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Janus K. Sachs
Originally Posted By: Thracozaag
Originally Posted By: Janus K. Sachs
Originally Posted By: Thracozaag
Only ten to the 50th power more years then until we're inundated with black holes.
Heh. Given how huge the PWverse will be by then, "inundated" is hardly the word I would use.

Sheeesh, I just ruined my own bad joke.

But seriously, do you think protons decay?


No experimental evidence yet, but if any of the GUT's are actually proven to be true (hopefully), it has to exist, depressing as that might be.
Certainly depressing, but the alternative -- turning into a form of iron -- isn't exactly a picnic.


That's certainly true! I think the most likely end result of proton decay experiments will just be that protons don’t decay at any rate one can ever hope to observe. If so, these experiments won’t tell you anything about high energies, other than that baryon number stays conserved. If proton decay is observed, that would be obviously be extremely interesting--another piece of the puzzle!
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 02:26 PM

Originally Posted By: evilpacman18
....Then there's gonna be the people whose join date is some time yesterday, making topics without reading the site ToS, asking asinine questions that common sense can answer, and then never posting again....

Actually that doesn't happen much here, I don't think. The main different kind of thing that newbies do is that they find very old threads and post on them, without realizing exactly what they're doing. Some members frown on it; I think it's great. It shows us what kinds of things outsiders might search for on our site, which is of interest, and I enjoy seeing what comes up from those archeological digs. smile
Posted by: Janus K. Sachs

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 02:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Thracozaag
Originally Posted By: Janus K. Sachs
Originally Posted By: Thracozaag
Originally Posted By: Janus K. Sachs
Originally Posted By: Thracozaag
Only ten to the 50th power more years then until we're inundated with black holes.
Heh. Given how huge the PWverse will be by then, "inundated" is hardly the word I would use.

Sheeesh, I just ruined my own bad joke.

But seriously, do you think protons decay?


No experimental evidence yet, but if any of the GUT's are actually proven to be true (hopefully), it has to exist, depressing as that might be.
Certainly depressing, but the alternative -- turning into a form of iron -- isn't exactly a picnic.


That's certainly true! I think the most likely end result of proton decay experiments will just be that protons don’t decay at any rate one can ever hope to observe. If so, these experiments won’t tell you anything about high energies, other than that baryon number stays conserved. If proton decay is observed, that would be obviously be extremely interesting--another piece of the puzzle!
I suppose one can build Deep Thought to watch for proton decay over millions of years. Hey, observing proton decay would be more interesting than 42.
Posted by: gooddog

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 02:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Hakki
Ok, I might be a bit intolerant these days, since I have been diagnosed with ulnar nerve entrapment recently.
I am so sorry to hear this and hope you recover completely and soon.
Quote:
Still my situation is less pathetic compared to someone who... can't decide which Beethoven sonata to play, because he has only heard one and particularly doesn't like Beethoven...Imaginary people asking imaginary questions... doubting whether Chopin could play his own etudes, ...
Another one who has mastered the first two pages of op.25/11 and asks whether he should learn the whole thing to impress his teenager friends.
Topics like these do become tiresome.
Quote:
It seems as if this forum is being misused by a few as an online game, who's imaginary characters score for the replies they get.

I for one do not want to get involved in this,
and feel upset seeing some of our beloved real members being deceived.
Take heart, Hakki. Because this forum is open to everyone, there will always be uninteresting topics and outright garbage to sort through. Just remember, there are plenty of us who are looking for greater depth in the topics and discussions. We find it by being discriminating about whom we read and where we post.

From my point of view, things have indeed gotten mostly dull in the last few years and we've lost some scholarly members. I've been noticing that the members who offer the most valuable contributions seem to post less and less and there seems to be more "going nowhere", "I'm posting because I like to hear myself talk even though I have nothing to say", and "It's all about me", chatter. Often the first thing I look for is which members have posted in a given topic. This seems to weed out most of what I consider to be trash.

Get well.
Posted by: evilpacman18

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 03:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: evilpacman18
....Then there's gonna be the people whose join date is some time yesterday, making topics without reading the site ToS, asking asinine questions that common sense can answer, and then never posting again....

Actually that doesn't happen much here, I don't think. The main different kind of thing that newbies do is that they find very old threads and post on them, without realizing exactly what they're doing. Some members frown on it; I think it's great. It shows us what kinds of things outsiders might search for on our site, which is of interest, and I enjoy seeing what comes up from those archeological digs. smile

Thread necromancy is always entertaining.
Posted by: JoelW

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 03:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Hakki

Still my situation is less pathetic compared to someone who can play Chopin scherzi, but can't decide which Beethoven sonata to play, because he has only heard one and particularly doesn't like Beethoven.
Though the answer is obvious. He should learn the "Pathetique", which perfectly suits his situation.


made me 'lol'
Posted by: Franz Beebert

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 03:32 PM

Originally Posted By: mazurkajoe
Originally Posted By: Hakki

Still my situation is less pathetic compared to someone who can play Chopin scherzi, but can't decide which Beethoven sonata to play, because he has only heard one and particularly doesn't like Beethoven.
Though the answer is obvious. He should learn the "Pathetique", which perfectly suits his situation.


made me 'lol'

+1
Posted by: JoelW

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 03:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Hakki
Ok, I might be a bit intolerant these days, since I have been diagnosed with ulnar nerve entrapment recently[...]


I am sorry to hear this. I hope things go well.
Posted by: pianoloverus

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 03:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Hakki

Still my situation is less pathetic compared to someone who can play Chopin scherzi, but can't decide which Beethoven sonata to play, because he has only heard one and particularly doesn't like Beethoven.
Though the answer is obvious. He should learn the "Pathetique", which perfectly suits his situation.

While a debate on whether modern pianists are standardized or not are being discussed, we get to know that one of those modern pianists has unfortunately lost her life. That thread almost gets a fraction of replies of the above threads. And, yet, I can't think of anybody that would suggest that this is not a great loss since she is one those modern standardized pianists who can easily be replaced.

Imaginary people asking imaginary questions about Mazeppa and when asked to post a recording, replying with an imaginary answer that their piano is out of tune, they can't record etc.

Somebody doubting whether Chopin could play his own etudes, another one who wants to play the first two pages of Rachmaninoff 2nd but doesn't know how to play it with clarity.
Another one who has mastered the first two pages of op.25/11 and asks whether he should learn the whole thing to impress his teenager friends.

It seems as if this forum is being misused by a few as an online game, who's imaginary characters score for the replies they get.
Although I do find some of those or similar threads tiresome, I think one has to realize that many of those kinds of threads are started by students still in high school. Without, I hope, offending that age group, I think it's fair to state one cannot expect the highest degree of musical maturity from an average high school piano student.(Of course, there will be some in that age group who are much more knowledgeable and musically sophisticated than most adults. Same thing in chess... the 2011 8 Under World Awonder Liang from the US plays near master level chess)

So I think adults need to be as tolerant as possible of younger posters but also that some younger posters need to try and be as thoughtful as possible about their threads or posts. And not get too defensive.

Posted by: fuzzy8balls

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 04:01 PM

you do realize you guys are getting trolled, and you are only making it worse by responding to and feeding this troll -- look at all the thread OP and which username do you see the most and have the most replies?
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 04:03 PM

I once tried to only read the threads that mark c hadnt posted in ( so as to avoid him arguing with me) but for some reason that left me without any threads to read.

I then tried to read only the threads that stores hadnt posted in, again, that left me with no threads to read.

I then looked for threads where only stores or mark c had posted in but again that only left nondescript threads.

I then looked for threads where Both stores and mark c had posted and found my playground.
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 04:04 PM

I "argued" with you?

As I remember, I replied a couple of times, and pretty immediately realized it wasn't worth bothering.
Posted by: newport

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 04:53 PM

Originally Posted By: fuzzy8balls
you do realize you guys are getting trolled, and you are only making it worse by responding to and feeding this troll -- look at all the thread OP and which username do you see the most and have the most replies?

At least one (if not more) of those banned members must be laughing.
Posted by: Old Man

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 06:20 PM

Originally Posted By: fuzzy8balls
you do realize you guys are getting trolled, and you are only making it worse by responding to and feeding this troll -- look at all the thread OP and which username do you see the most and have the most replies?

Any chance you could provide a clue to this clueless old man? We like our trolls mean and lean, not overfed. grin
Posted by: Munex

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 07:41 PM

I find that some people here are way too disdainful, boring and have their heads far up their own ass. I pity them. And yes, I want to impress my teenage friends - I am a teenager after all - but I also have a love for the piano, though probably not as intensely as other people on these forums. I thought this could be a nice place to share my interest in the piano, but perhaps I was mistaken.

Some people need to get a grip and stop deluding their pretentious, arrogant selves with their pseudo-superior status. You are not above the rest of us.

Music is freedom and emotion; Music is love, sadness and hope. Chill out and stop taking everything so seriously, that is not what music is about.

Rant over.
Posted by: carey

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 07:55 PM

Originally Posted By: pianoloverus

So I think adults need to be as tolerant as possible of younger posters but also that some younger posters need to try and be as thoughtful as possible about their threads or posts. And not get too defensive.


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Posted by: ScriabinAddict

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 08:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Munex
I find that some people here are way too disdainful, boring and have their heads far up their own ass.

Perfect Start thumb

Originally Posted By: Munex

I pity them. And yes, I want to impress my teenage friends - I am a teenager after all - but I also have a love for the piano, though probably not as intensely as other people on these forums. I thought this could be a nice place to share my interest in the piano, but perhaps I was mistaken.


If you really do have a love for the piano and the piano literature, you would be wise in waiting to attempt a piece that's way above you. It's not about you or impressing your friends, it's about the music. That's not the only issue, but it's a fact that attempting such a difficult piece without proper instruction can will lead to injury. But this is a topic for another time.

Originally Posted By: Munex

Some people need to get a grip and stop deluding their pretentious, arrogant selves with their pseudo-superior status. You are not above the rest of us. Music is freedom and emotion; Music is love, sadness and hope. Chill out and stop taking everything so seriously, that is not what music is about.

whistle


Posted by: -Frycek

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 08:48 PM

What many here appear not to understand is that the young, the jejeune, the marginal, the ungifted can be blessed or cursed with all the passion, the intensity, the desire of the greatest virtuoso. That is the tragedy, and the dignity. A little respect for the rest of us please.
Posted by: jdw

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 09:37 PM

Quote:
Ok, I might be a bit intolerant these days, since I have been diagnosed with ulnar nerve entrapment recently


I'm sorry to hear this--I had this problem as well, along with tendinitis. For me the ultimate solution was Taubman piano lessons, but physical therapy or other treatment may also help.

Feel free to ignore the following unsolicited advice. From your videos, your technique looks good to my (inexpert) eyes, but the one thing that occurred to me is that you might try sitting a bit lower, to help avoid dropping wrists. I absolutely could be wrong about this, though. A better idea would be to get a consultation from the Taubman/Golandsky faculty. Sometimes a small change in what you're doing can make a big difference.

Wishing you a quick recovery.
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 09:50 PM

Originally Posted By: jdw
Quote:
Ok, I might be a bit intolerant these days, since I have been diagnosed with ulnar nerve entrapment recently


I'm sorry to hear this--I had this problem as well....

I did too.

It was when I came back to working intensively on piano after some years away from it. I figured it was something about how I was playing ....I mean not just how much I was playing. smile

And it wasn't hard to figure out what it was (with my teacher's help). It seemed to be something about a particular position I was putting my hand in (it was just one hand), and a couple of particular pieces were bringing out, and certain passages. I made sure I avoided doing that, which also meant changing some fingerings -- and I got better.

Oh -- I also wore a wrist brace at night for a few months. whome

I don't mean to say that everybody's ulnar nerve entrapment (or carpal tunnel syndrome, or whatever hand problem) is that simple. But I'd bet a lot of people's hand/arm problems that are treated with physical therapy and/or medications and maybe even with surgery could be taken care of more simply -- and more meaningfully -- by looking for this kind of thing, whether we're talking about piano keyboard or computer keyboard, or any other kind of repetitive manual activity. The input you gave Hakki is a good example of how to start approaching it, although I think it's hard to be able to be that specific from afar.

I wouldn't be that quick to advise seeing a Taubman person, because from what I've gathered, all too often they tend to be a "one-note-Johnny" -- they feel the answer to everything is just to adopt the Taubman method. That might well work, but not as directly as just looking at what specific thing it might be about what the person is doing. It might not need a total overhaul of how he plays -- which is what I think the Taubman person would usually try to have him do.
Posted by: LadyChen

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 09:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Hakki
Ok, I might be a bit intolerant these days, since I have been diagnosed with ulnar nerve entrapment recently, and yet I have to play in a major amateur competition next month.


I'm very sorry to hear this, Hakki, and I understand your frustration. I've been in physio since January for an ulnar nerve traction injury and of course it happened when I was preparing for an important piano pedagogy exam. My poor husband has been dealing with an extremely cranky wife!

I hope you are receiving treatment for your condition.
Posted by: FSO

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/06/12 10:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Hakki
Ok, I might be a bit intolerant these days ...

I'm very sorry to hear of your injury. I know it means nothing coming from a stranger, especially through such a medium, but I *do* hope you recover with all due haste. I understand your frustration with this forum and can only wish it diminishes for you, though I equally understand how unlikely that is. All I can suggest is the notion that different peoples and persons have different priorities; I'm sure none meant to upset you by them...I mean, in theory I suppose some might, and you might have reason to quarrel against someone ruining something you clearly hold great stock, if not comfort, in, however for the most part all I can see is various people searching for answers to questions they can't, for some, I agree, due to poor planning or likewise frivolous reasoning, realise by themselves. But...um, I've tried my hardest here to make you see things from my point of view, though it may very well be wrong. I'm sorry you've become upset. You have a pleasing use of rhetoric, I'm sure you're aware.
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Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/07/12 04:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Mark_C
I "argued" with you?

As I remember, I replied a couple of times, and pretty immediately realized it wasn't worth bothering.


It must have been worth bothering Mark, because you have just "bothered" again. lol.
Posted by: Hakki

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/07/12 12:23 PM

Originally Posted By: carey
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus

So I think adults need to be as tolerant as possible of younger posters but also that some younger posters need to try and be as thoughtful as possible about their threads or posts. And not get too defensive.


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Excellent advice. But, for now I think, I'll better use the iggy button with those teenager online gamers, at least until I am able to keep up with this advice.

And thanks to all who have expressed kind wishes and considerations about my injury.
Posted by: jdw

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/07/12 10:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Mark_C
It might not need a total overhaul of how he plays.


I agree, I was thinking of problem solving and not major overhaul. My impression of Golandsky has been different from yours, in that I see flexibility and attention to individual needs. I know they've worked with some active performers who can't take time out for revamping.

Of course, they think Taubman approach is best, and that's why they teach it. But they don't insist everyone needs total retraining; I've heard them say that some people develop a healthy technique naturally. I suggested them because they have such a huge fund of knowledge about the ergonomics of piano playing. I don't know enough to say what they would usually recommend; I think it would depend on the situation.

But of course, as you say, some problems can be solved in other ways. And I absolutely agree with you that adjustments to technique can avert a lot of injury.
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/07/12 11:21 PM

Originally Posted By: jdw
....My impression of Golandsky has been different from yours, in that I see flexibility and attention to individual needs....

My impression also -- and I should have been clearer that I wasn't particularly talking about her. From what I've heard (from a couple of friends who happen to have worked closely with her), she seems to be an exception among Taubmanites.
Posted by: polyphasicpianist

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/07/12 11:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
I once tried to only read the threads that mark c hadnt posted in ( so as to avoid him arguing with me) but for some reason that left me without any threads to read.

I then tried to read only the threads that stores hadnt posted in, again, that left me with no threads to read.

I then looked for threads where only stores or mark c had posted in but again that only left nondescript threads.

I then looked for threads where Both stores and mark c had posted and found my playground.


LoL. That about sums it up for me as well.
Posted by: beet31425

Re: Pianist Corner or Playground - 08/07/12 11:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: jdw
....My impression of Golandsky has been different from yours, in that I see flexibility and attention to individual needs....

My impression also -- and I should have been clearer that I wasn't particularly talking about her. From what I've heard (from a couple of friends who happen to have worked closely with her), she seems to be an exception among Taubmanites.


It might be worth noting that she is the chief Taubmanite of the day, and has been for some time.

-J