Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List

Posted by: Piano*Dad

Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 08:45 AM

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I imagine this would fairly devastate Curtis!
Posted by: GeorgeB

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 09:01 AM

am I the only one who can't open this?
Posted by: wr

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 09:33 AM

This slots nicely with the neglected repertoire thread - everything that is not on the banned list is on the neglected list.

The "there's a reason this music is so popular" bit was particularly funny - I didn't realize that was a trope beyond PW.
Posted by: GeorgeB

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 10:04 AM

Well the fact that seems the only website publishing that story makes.me think it is fake
Posted by: Jolteon

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 10:12 AM

Originally Posted By: GeorgeB
Well the fact that seems the only website publishing that story makes.me think it is fake


I'm beginning to think the same thing...

Some of it seems a little over-the-top. I can understand banning certain pieces that are over-played, but violists banned from playing "any passage of music containing a rhythm in 16th-notes or faster" and vocalists from "any Mozart aria containing a trill"... that takes it a tad too far.

If it is true, I'd like to see a full list.

Edit: just noticed the point at the bottom of the page:
"Note: Submediant is a satirical segment within The Backyard (see: the logo), and its contents should not be mistaken for real events—however believable."
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 10:20 AM

Guys, wake up. "The Yard" is a student-run newspaper at Juilliard. It's a joke. Got it???
Posted by: BruceD

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 11:02 AM

Footnote to the article :

"Note: Submediant is a satirical segment within The Backyard (see: the logo), and its contents should not be mistaken for real events—however believable."

Cheers!
Posted by: Pogorelich.

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 11:22 AM

Argh, they missed something - should've included "EVERYTHING WRITTEN BY CHOPIN", perhaps excluding the op. 45 prelude. (which - why the helll doesn't anybody play!?!?)
Posted by: GeorgeB

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 11:25 AM

What's wrong with Chopin? Not everything written by.him.is.overplayed
Posted by: ClsscLib

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 11:27 AM

I can't retrieve it either. Does anyone have a better link?
Posted by: Pogorelich.

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 11:31 AM

Originally Posted By: GeorgeB
What's wrong with Chopin? Not everything written by.him.is.overplayed


No. Only about 88% of it.
Posted by: Kuanpiano

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 11:41 AM

Surprised they didn't toss Prok 2 and 3 and his 6th and 7th sonatas, which are not only overplayed, but would sound suuper harsh while being practiced
Posted by: DameMyra

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 11:53 AM

Thanks for sharing the link. It brought a smile to my face and made my day! I loved the bit about "especially composers and Historical Performance students".
Posted by: debrucey

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 12:06 PM

I really can't believe how many people think this is real. I mean jesus christ.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 12:09 PM


Quote:
I loved the bit about "especially composers and Historical Performance students"

As a dad of a Baroque flute student (whose last performance was with a harpsichord accompanist), I had to smile at that one as well. I had fun with the image of a harpsichord player gnashing proverbial teeth at the sound of over-pedaled 19th century piano music.
Posted by: Orange Soda King

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 12:18 PM

Have you all seen the Aspen/marijuana article? I was rolling over on my sides!! laugh
Posted by: Pogorelich.

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 12:27 PM

Originally Posted By: debrucey
I really can't believe how many people think this is real. I mean jesus christ.


I didn't think anyone did???
Posted by: BruceD

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 01:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Argh, they missed something - should've included "EVERYTHING WRITTEN BY CHOPIN", perhaps excluding the op. 45 prelude. (which - why the helll doesn't anybody play!?!?)


I think it's a remarkable work and, apart from the cadenza which I haven't yet mastered, I enjoy playing this work a great deal. How would you analyze it, harmonically; what tonalities become momentary tonic keys and which ones would be considered simply leading? With all the modulations, is there a key in this piece that Chopin has not touched upon?

Regards,
Posted by: jeffreyjones

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 01:20 PM

Originally Posted By: BruceD
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Argh, they missed something - should've included "EVERYTHING WRITTEN BY CHOPIN", perhaps excluding the op. 45 prelude. (which - why the helll doesn't anybody play!?!?)


I think it's a remarkable work and, apart from the cadenza which I haven't yet mastered, I enjoy playing this work a great deal. How would you analyze it, harmonically; what tonalities become momentary tonic keys and which ones would be considered simply leading? With all the modulations, is there a key in this piece that Chopin has not touched upon?

Regards,


I often get the sense with Chopin that he operates not along the vertical, as Rameau espoused in his treatise on harmony, but along the horizontal like Bach. He composed using counterpoint and long lines and voice leading, and in so doing I feel he mastered harmony more completely than any other composer in history. In this Prelude, he uses another Baroque device, the sequence, together with the effortless modulations that characterize his late work.
Posted by: JoelW

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 01:32 PM

Sounds like utter BS.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 01:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Originally Posted By: debrucey
I really can't believe how many people think this is real. I mean jesus christ.


I didn't think anyone did???


Check three posts below yours, and twelve posts above ...
Posted by: debrucey

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 01:56 PM

I posted it on my Facebook and loads of people thought it was real lol
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 02:10 PM

Juilliard's version of an Onion article. Irony challenge is a serious condition. grin
Posted by: Ralph

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 02:55 PM

Actually I heard that in addition to banning those pieces, they are recommending a short list of pieces which includes Mozart Sonata K. 545 first movement only, Beethoven Moonlight sonata first movement only and Fur Elise. Chopin nocturne Op.9 #2 in Eb major is optional.
Posted by: Kreisler

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 02:59 PM

You wouldn't need to ban as much Chopin as you might expect. It may come as a surprise to many pianists that Chopin wrote more than two nocturnes. (Op. 27/2 and Op. 48/1 aren't the only ones!)

It may also come as a surprise to many that the Preludes don't need to be played complete and can be interspersed with these things called waltzes. There are also some impromptus that aren't hackneyed (3 in fact!)
Posted by: JoelW

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 03:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Kreisler
You wouldn't need to ban as much Chopin as you might expect. It may come as a surprise to many pianists that Chopin wrote more than two nocturnes. (Op. 27/2 and Op. 48/1 aren't the only ones!)

It may also come as a surprise to many that the Preludes don't need to be played complete and can be interspersed with these things called waltzes. There are also some impromptus that aren't hackneyed (3 in fact!)


But scherzo no. 2 is the only scherzo he wrote. He should have written more of them.
Posted by: evilpacman18

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 04:40 PM

Great article. Posted it on my facebook too and a lot of people fell for it. Can't believe anybody did though, it was pretty obvious to me from the second paragraph.
Posted by: Samuel1993

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 05:08 PM

Hmmm, this really saddens me. Why should music come to that? If somebody connects with a piece,and plays it well and understand the emotional depth of the piece, then who cares whether the piece is well known or not. I just find the whole concept of "banned repertoire" pretty ignorant and silly. I mean, music is music, you can't "sort" music like that.
Posted by: debrucey

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 05:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Samuel1993
Hmmm, this really saddens me. Why should music come to that? If somebody connects with a piece,and plays it well and understand the emotional depth of the piece, then who cares whether the piece is well known or not. I just find the whole concept of "banned repertoire" pretty ignorant and silly. I mean, music is music, you can't "sort" music like that.


It's a JOKE!
Posted by: Thracozaag

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 05:44 PM

Originally Posted By: debrucey
I really can't believe how many people think this is real. I mean jesus christ.


Just talked with the "editor" of the Yard, and he just got a call from Juilliard admissions who got inundated with panicked calls from prospective auditionees. laugh
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 07:01 PM

Originally Posted By: debrucey
Originally Posted By: Samuel1993
Hmmm, this really saddens me. Why should music come to that? If somebody connects with a piece,and plays it well and understand the emotional depth of the piece, then who cares whether the piece is well known or not. I just find the whole concept of "banned repertoire" pretty ignorant and silly. I mean, music is music, you can't "sort" music like that.


It's a JOKE!


And I'm again reminded that many people do not read threads. They just read the OP. There are at least five posts in this thread that use terms like irony, sarcasm, or satire.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 07:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Thracozaag
Originally Posted By: debrucey
I really can't believe how many people think this is real. I mean jesus christ.


Just talked with the "editor" of the Yard, and he just got a call from Juilliard admissions who got inundated with panicked calls from prospective auditionees. laugh


One way to note the success of this "Yard" article is to see the reactions of the gullible, the credulous, and the inattentive readers. smile
Posted by: Thracozaag

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 07:27 PM

Me thinks Orson Wells would have a field day in our current "information" era--where critical thinking/reading seems to be at an all time low, haha.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 07:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Thracozaag
Me thinks Orson Wells would have a field day in our current "information" era--where critical thinking/reading seems to be at an all time low, haha.


... and that would be titled, "War of the Conservatories!"

Actually, I can't help but see a (possibly unintended) tweaking of Curtis, which specializes a bit more than Juilliard in precisely that 19th century literature.
Posted by: Thracozaag

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 07:31 PM

Tell me about it, anything post 1920 at Curtis made people twitchy.
Posted by: Arghhh

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 09:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Thracozaag
Originally Posted By: debrucey
I really can't believe how many people think this is real. I mean jesus christ.


Just talked with the "editor" of the Yard, and he just got a call from Juilliard admissions who got inundated with panicked calls from prospective auditionees. laugh


There is now a disclaimer at the top of the article warning readers that this is not the official position of Juilliard. laugh
Posted by: Thracozaag

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/21/12 09:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Arghhh
Originally Posted By: Thracozaag
Originally Posted By: debrucey
I really can't believe how many people think this is real. I mean jesus christ.


Just talked with the "editor" of the Yard, and he just got a call from Juilliard admissions who got inundated with panicked calls from prospective auditionees. laugh


There is now a disclaimer at the top of the article warning readers that this is not the official position of Juilliard. laugh


Yep, per the admissions "suggestion" blush
Posted by: Ferdinand

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/22/12 12:39 AM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Juilliard's version of an Onion article. Irony challenge is a serious condition. grin

In medical circles, I believe the official nomenclature is "irony deficiency."
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/22/12 12:41 AM

Quote:
There is now a disclaimer at the top of the article warning readers that this is not the official position of Juilliard.


For the irony deficient ...
Posted by: redrobin62

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/22/12 01:54 AM

Too funny. I'm surprised they didn't just go ahead and ad all Beethoven's "named" sonatas to the banned list.
Posted by: jeffreyjones

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/22/12 02:20 AM

Originally Posted By: redrobin62
Too funny. I'm surprised they didn't just go ahead and ad all Beethoven's "named" sonatas to the banned list.


As I recall, for a Master's audition, you can play any of the Beethoven sonatas except for the "sonatinas" Opp. 14, 49, and 79. One can only imagine how good you would have to be to get in playing the Moonlight.
Posted by: LimeFriday

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/22/12 05:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Thracozaag
Me thinks Orson Wells would have a field day in our current "information" era--where critical thinking/reading seems to be at an all time low, haha.


My thoughts exactly! Incredible that those outraged people who commented on the article had to scroll past the disclaimer at the bottom of the piece to get to the comments box. Obviously so terrified by the march of communism they were blinded to the tongue in cheek tone smile
Posted by: wr

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/22/12 07:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Kreisler
You wouldn't need to ban as much Chopin as you might expect. It may come as a surprise to many pianists that Chopin wrote more than two nocturnes. (Op. 27/2 and Op. 48/1 aren't the only ones!)

It may also come as a surprise to many that the Preludes don't need to be played complete and can be interspersed with these things called waltzes. There are also some impromptus that aren't hackneyed (3 in fact!)


No, it all has to be banned, just because it's by Chopin. He's one of the few composers I know of whose music is so grossly overexposed that even if I had never heard a piece of his before, if somebody started playing it, I'd think, "Oh, no, not more Chopin." The particular piece no longer matters, the composer's style in itself has achieved over-saturation, regardless of which piece is in front of you.

I also get that stylistic over-saturation effect with Mozart, Vivaldi, Mahler, Shostakovich, and very intermittently, Brahms.
Posted by: TheHappyMoron

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/22/12 11:48 AM

i can't open the link but i second banning the chopin. Chopin is really doing my head in at the moment. But not as much as Brahms. Let's ban Brahms.
Posted by: BruceD

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/22/12 01:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Thracozaag
Tell me about it, anything post 1920 at Curtis made people twitchy.


I would have been happy there! smile

Cheers!
Posted by: AldenH

Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List - 11/22/12 04:50 PM

Adventure is the spice of life! Explore new sounds as well as inner voices!