favourite painist and why

Posted by: adultpianist

favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 12:46 AM

Who is your favourite pianist? Mine would have to be the French pianist Helene Grimaud. She has unbelievable talent and clearly has a feel and a love for what she does which is apparent when she plays. I would love to have her keyboard skills but sadly that is never going to be the case.
Posted by: JoelW

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 12:56 AM

Originally Posted By: adultpianist
She has unbelievable talent and clearly has a feel and a love for what she does which is apparent when she plays.


This describes many pianists. Surely it cannot be your only reason.
Posted by: Nikolas

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 02:22 AM

I'm having a hard time having a favourite tv show, composer, film, or other and you're asking about favourite pianist and why?!?!? Yikes... grin
Posted by: adultpianist

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 02:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Joel_W
Originally Posted By: adultpianist
She has unbelievable talent and clearly has a feel and a love for what she does which is apparent when she plays.


This describes many pianists. Surely it cannot be your only reason.


But some pianists are better than others. Even at professional level. Leonard Bernstein was a one of a kind artist. I was never fond of his flamboyant conducting ways, but he was one of the finest pianists around. Helene Grimaund is another such pianist. Some pianist play well but show they have no feeling and look like programmed robots.
Posted by: wouter79

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 02:44 AM

It depends on the piece

I like Helene Grimaud's Rachmaninov.

Sokolov has some wonderful Rameau

Brendel plays Liszt excellent

etc
Posted by: Orange Soda King

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 02:51 AM

Alicia de Larrocha.

Her Mozart is enough for me. And so his her Iberia.
Posted by: TrueMusic

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 02:56 AM

I really really enjoy Horrowitz on a number of pieces and composers, particularly his Chopin, Rachmaninoff, & Liszt. I find his musical ideas so sensational and original. Amidst so many piano player that simply have technique, horrowitz seems to be able to dream at the piano. I think overall, he's my favorite pianists simply because of how much imagination is found in his playing.

I love Arrau's Beethoven, mostly. I do enjoy Barrenboim's a lot, but I haven't listened to all the Sonatas by him.

I absolutely love Katchen's Brahms recordings. Such perfect voicing, in my opinion.
Posted by: Jolteon

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 03:46 AM

France Clidat for Liszt and Glenn Gould for Bach. Trifonov for everything else. He's really only a child compared to the other people mentioned, but as Argerich said: "He has everything and more."
Posted by: adultpianist

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 04:01 AM

Each of us have our own favourites. It would be boring if we all liked the same. We all like who we like for our own reasons 3hearts
Posted by: wr

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 05:06 AM

Originally Posted By: adultpianist
Who is your favourite pianist?


I don't have one. Why would I? The idea seems limiting to me, and for no good reason.
Posted by: HNB

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 05:14 AM

Originally Posted By: wr
Originally Posted By: adultpianist
Who is your favourite pianist?


I don't have one. Why would I? The idea seems limiting to me, and for no good reason.


Limiting indeed. I think John O'Conor's remark about recordings applies here: "People who are not pianists can have favourite recordings of things; but people who are pianists need to keep their own integrity."
Posted by: Gerard12

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 08:14 AM

[quote=HNBLimiting indeed. I think John O'Conor's remark about recordings applies here: "People who are not pianists can have favourite recordings of things; but people who are pianists need to keep their own integrity." [/quote]

Huh, interesting. I consider myself to be a pianist, and I count a couple of John O'Connor recordings among my favorites......Like most of us, I have strong views and think deeply about various facets of/in my work (whether, or not, I'm any good at it - that's not for me to decide) but I'm still a fan of many other pianist's recordings.

Even when their interpretive viewpoints are much different than mine.

I'd feel kind of glum if I ever lost the ability to be a fan (of a recording, or of individual pianists). I hope that I'm not mis-reading his statement.

The "why's," for me, are usually ephemeral in this matter. My current favorite pianist is Andras Schiff.
Posted by: ClsscLib

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 08:21 AM

I love Ivan Moravec's Chopin.
Posted by: Entheo

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 08:37 AM

if, upon capture by the CIA, i was waterboarded and forced to pick one, it would probably be murray perahia for his clarity of purpose. if allowed to recant, it would be martha for her vivacious performances. if they still didn't believe me i would change my pick to gilels, whose transcendent expression surely the CIA would have to accept. if they still didn't believe me i'd go with horowitz for all the obvious reasons, but given he was russian i might have to pick another, and they surely couldn't argue with van cliburn who, after all, beat the ruskies at their own game.
Posted by: bennevis

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 09:08 AM

Originally Posted By: HNB
Originally Posted By: wr
Originally Posted By: adultpianist
Who is your favourite pianist?


I don't have one. Why would I? The idea seems limiting to me, and for no good reason.


Limiting indeed. I think John O'Conor's remark about recordings applies here: "People who are not pianists can have favourite recordings of things; but people who are pianists need to keep their own integrity."


Not a view shared by many world class concert pianists, though when asked they usually answer with the name of a long-deceased pianist. From the many, many interviews I've heard or read, the names of Horowitz, Richter, Cortot and Schnabel come up most often....often followed by their teachers.
Posted by: JoelW

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 09:28 AM

Originally Posted By: wr
Originally Posted By: bennevis
Originally Posted By: HNB
Originally Posted By: wr
Originally Posted By: adultpianist
Who is your favourite pianist?


I don't have one. Why would I? The idea seems limiting to me, and for no good reason.


Limiting indeed. I think John O'Conor's remark about recordings applies here: "People who are not pianists can have favourite recordings of things; but people who are pianists need to keep their own integrity."


Not a view shared by many world class concert pianists, though when asked they usually answer with the name of a long-deceased pianist. From the many, many interviews I've heard or read, the names of Horowitz, Richter, Cortot and Schnabel come up most often....often followed by their teachers.


That's because they are used to doing interviews and know what is expected of them.



Or not.
Posted by: pianoloverus

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 09:36 AM

Originally Posted By: HNB
Originally Posted By: wr
Originally Posted By: adultpianist
Who is your favourite pianist?


I don't have one. Why would I? The idea seems limiting to me, and for no good reason.


Limiting indeed. I think John O'Conor's remark about recordings applies here: "People who are not pianists can have favourite recordings of things; but people who are pianists need to keep their own integrity."
What does having favorite pianists have to do with keeping integrity? A silly statement IMO. I feel the same about saying that having favorite pianist(s) is somehow "limiting".
Posted by: Cinnamonbear

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 09:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Entheo
if, upon capture by the CIA, i was waterboarded and forced to pick one, it would probably be murray perahia for his clarity of purpose. if allowed to recant, it would be martha for her vivacious performances. if they still didn't believe me i would change my pick to gilels, whose transcendent expression surely the CIA would have to accept. if they still didn't believe me i'd go with horowitz for all the obvious reasons, but given he was russian i might have to pick another, and they surely couldn't argue with van cliburn who, after all, beat the ruskies at their own game.


The waterboarding will continue until you pick ONE!!! Now... who is your favorite???

mMuwahahahahaaa!!! >: )

Still want to recant? Go ahead. Make my day...
Posted by: JoelW

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 09:46 AM

Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: HNB
Originally Posted By: wr
Originally Posted By: adultpianist
Who is your favourite pianist?


I don't have one. Why would I? The idea seems limiting to me, and for no good reason.


Limiting indeed. I think John O'Conor's remark about recordings applies here: "People who are not pianists can have favourite recordings of things; but people who are pianists need to keep their own integrity."
What does having favorite pianists have to do with keeping integrity? A silly statement IMO. I feel the same about saying that having favorite pianist(s) is somehow "limiting".


PL is right. My favorite color is red but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the rest of the spectrum.
Posted by: gooddog

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 10:03 AM

It depends on what is being played and the quality of the recording or performance.

Happy Birthday Gerard12!
Posted by: carey

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 10:18 AM

My "favourite painist?" It would definitely be my massage therapist...

As for favorite pianist......I don't have one - neither do I have a favorite composer. Way too limiting - and life is too short !!
Posted by: Auntie Lynn

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 10:26 AM

Maurizio P - aristocratic intellect...
Posted by: pianoloverus

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 10:53 AM

Originally Posted By: carey
As for favorite pianist......I don't have one - neither do I have a favorite composer. Way too limiting - and life is too short !!
I I think it's only limiting if one thinks having a favorite or favorites means one can only listen to that pianist. But no one said anything about that. Why do you think it's limiting?
Posted by: Entheo

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 11:20 AM

folks, think of the question as tho you were sitting around the living room with your friends playing a game in which you had to write down an answer, and have some fun with it.

the problem with serious music is that it's taken too seriously. :-)
Posted by: jdhampton924

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 11:33 AM

I sometimes find when I hear people say things such as, "I don't have a favorite...It is limiting" to be a bit off putting, and most of the time, pseudo intellectual. I mean, how much you wanna bet some recordings are listened to more then others, but it is whatever, to each their own.

Personally I love the recordings from Murray Perahia, his since of control is amazing. I have greatly enjoyed his discs of Bach, Beethoven, Mendelssohn, Mozart and Chopin.

A close second for me is the recordings of Daniel Barenboim, just some of the twists he takes with the music can be breathtaking. And his sense of timing with rubato is just perfect.
Posted by: adultpianist

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 11:33 AM

I do enjoy all sorts of pianists and just heard this which I thoroughly enjoyed.

[video:youtube]http://youtu.be/9bkXxgtOb3Y[/video]


Here is also a version played by some piano students

[video:youtube]http://youtu.be/DfL1QBObYPw[/video]

I like both

And here is Helene Grimaud. Watching this turned me into a blubbering wreck. It is so beautiful. She plays with such feeling.

[video:youtube]http://youtu.be/bl7emqCqV30[/video]

Posted by: BruceD

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 01:20 PM

Originally Posted By: adultpianist
I do enjoy all sorts of pianists and just heard this which I thoroughly enjoyed.

[video:youtube]http://youtu.be/9bkXxgtOb3Y[/video]
[...]


It's good that many of us can enjoy many different types of music, as I do, within limits, but this performance was beyond the pale, for me. Nothing but clunk, clunk, clunk! No expression, no sense of line; absolutely static and heavy!
Posted by: adultpianist

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 02:33 PM

I ask everyone who criticises a musician whether they can play or play better. You obviously can play or you wouldn't be here. I liked the melody to this video.

In my earlier stages of playing, I played for someone who pulled me to pieces and that someone did not have any musical training and so I thought to myself what right do they have to criticise me and tell me I was playing it wrong when they cannot follow a score. They said that the particular piece was played in the wrong rythum and they told me they have heard it played at concerts but not played in my way. I therefore showed them the score and showed them at the bottom where it said arranged by.... I then pointed out that people take traditional music and re-arrange them slightly and I was playing it perfectly for that such arrangement. It may not be the origial arrangemet but it was as it was and I played it as such.
Posted by: jeffreyjones

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 03:58 PM

Given a choice, I will listen to Martha Argerich play absolutely anything. Most pianists have their strengths and weaknesses; she always finds a way to win me over no matter what the repertoire.
Posted by: carey

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 04:01 PM

Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: carey
As for favorite pianist......I don't have one - neither do I have a favorite composer. Way too limiting - and life is too short !!
I I think it's only limiting if one thinks having a favorite or favorites means one can only listen to that pianist. But no one said anything about that. Why do you think it's limiting?


Gee, I dunno......... crazy
Posted by: carey

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 04:17 PM

Originally Posted By: jdhampton924
I sometimes find when I hear people say things such as, "I don't have a favorite...It is limiting" to be a bit off putting, and most of the time, pseudo intellectual. I mean, how much you wanna bet some recordings are listened to more then others, but it is whatever, to each their own.


Perhaps I simply should have said, "I don't have a favorite"....period.

And I really don't.

On the other hand, I can think of at least ten well-known pianists who I always enjoy listening to.... grin

But then, it's all subjective anyway.
Posted by: pianoloverus

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 05:02 PM

Originally Posted By: carey
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: carey
As for favorite pianist......I don't have one - neither do I have a favorite composer. Way too limiting - and life is too short !!
I I think it's only limiting if one thinks having a favorite or favorites means one can only listen to that pianist. But no one said anything about that. Why do you think it's limiting?
Gee, I dunno......... crazy
Sarcasm is not convincing. I guess you don't know.
Posted by: BruceD

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 05:17 PM

I guess that the suggestion - if not the original intent - is read by some to mean "one and only," which, of course, is probably not the case. In that case, the choice would be limiting.

I think we all have a number of pianists (violinists, opera/lieder singers, bagpipe-players (?!)) whom we prefer over others for different reasons. I think some of us will prefer one musician in one genre or period of music and another in another period or genre.

I think many of us, too, like to hear different musicians in the same genre or period, even in the same works. Each performer - of significant professional standing, presumably - brings to a work something of him/herself and something of all those who have brought that musician to where s/he is at the time of performance.

These would be the reasons that I would list for not being able to come up with my "favourite pianist."

Regards,
Posted by: carey

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 06:57 PM

Originally Posted By: BruceD
I guess that the suggestion - if not the original intent - is read by some to mean "one and only," which, of course, is probably not the case. In that case, the choice would be limiting.

I think we all have a number of pianists (violinists, opera/lieder singers, bagpipe-players (?!)) whom we prefer over others for different reasons. I think some of us will prefer one musician in one genre or period of music and another in another period or genre.

I think many of us, too, like to hear different musicians in the same genre or period, even in the same works. Each performer - of significant professional standing, presumably - brings to a work something of him/herself and something of all those who have brought that musician to where s/he is at the time of performance.

These would be the reasons that I would list for not being able to come up with my "favourite pianist."

Regards,


Well said !! Thank you !!
Posted by: wr

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 07:11 PM

Originally Posted By: jdhampton924
I sometimes find when I hear people say things such as, "I don't have a favorite...It is limiting" to be a bit off putting, and most of the time, pseudo intellectual. I mean, how much you wanna bet some recordings are listened to more then others, but it is whatever, to each their own.



What's "pseudo-intellectual" about actually thinking?

The OP asked for one favorite pianist and I don't have one, and further, I don't want to have just one, because it is limiting. I shouldn't have to explain why; it should be obvious. At any rate, it would never even occur to me to think that way. There are dozens of pianists that I admire greatly, and hundreds or even thousands of particular recordings I think are wonderful. What's the point of attempting to rank and rate them?

YMMV
Posted by: carey

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 07:15 PM

Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: carey
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: carey
As for favorite pianist......I don't have one - neither do I have a favorite composer. Way too limiting - and life is too short !!
I think it's only limiting if one thinks having a favorite or favorites means one can only listen to that pianist. But no one said anything about that. Why do you think it's limiting?
Gee, I dunno......... crazy
Sarcasm is not convincing. I guess you don't know.


Apparently not.

But you're correct -- no one said anything about that -- and it certainly never crossed my mind.


Posted by: Gavbrown

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 09:02 PM

Ruth Slenczynska (I think it is pronounced "Slenchinska") is a fantastic pianist. She recorded some great versions of Chopin's Polonaises. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Slenczynska
Posted by: Entheo

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/10/12 11:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Gavbrown
Ruth Slenczynska (I think it is pronounced "Slenchinska") is a fantastic pianist. She recorded some great versions of Chopin's Polonaises. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Slenczynska


i would see her almost every day in the music department at SIUE, where she was artist in residence.
Posted by: Damon

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/11/12 12:06 AM

Guess.
Posted by: Kuanpiano

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/11/12 12:27 AM

You really can't go wrong with Gilels, especially if you listen to his earlier, live performances. The contrast between his live performances and his studio recordings (I'm thinking of Prokofiev's 8th sonata) is unbelievable. The amount of electricity in those recordings compared to Horowitz is like comparing a power generator to an AA battery..
Posted by: Cheeto717

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/11/12 08:15 AM

Pollini, Zimerman, Pariah, and Volodos are my absolute favorites to listen to.
Posted by: Gerard12

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/11/12 08:45 AM

Originally Posted By: gooddog
Happy Birthday Gerard12!


Aw, thanks, Deborah!
Posted by: jdw

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/11/12 07:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Cheeto717
Pariah.


Not to be silly, but we probably shouldn't spell him this way (pariah=outcast). I agree that he (Perahia) is wonderful.
Posted by: Palindrome

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/11/12 08:03 PM

While we're concerning ourselves with spelling (a very worthwhile concern, IMHO), it's pianists, not painists, that we're surveying. My favorite painist the the Grand Marquis (the Marquis de Sade). My favorite pianist is Murray Perahia.
Posted by: Joke Fingers

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/12/12 07:05 PM

Sviatoslav Teofilovich Richter and Radu Lupu. Richter for Chopin etc and Lupu for Beethoven. His Beethoven concertos are just amazing.
Posted by: wouter79

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/13/12 06:18 AM

Oh yes I really like Radu Lupu's Brahms recordings
Posted by: Cheeto717

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/13/12 08:26 AM

Originally Posted By: jdw
Originally Posted By: Cheeto717
Pariah.


Not to be silly, but we probably shouldn't spell him this way (pariah=outcast). I agree that he (Perahia) is wonderful.



Oops!!! I'm usually very careful about spelling his name correctly. How embarrassing!
Posted by: bennevis

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/13/12 11:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Cheeto717
Originally Posted By: jdw
Originally Posted By: Cheeto717
Pariah.


Not to be silly, but we probably shouldn't spell him this way (pariah=outcast). I agree that he (Perahia) is wonderful.



Oops!!! I'm usually very careful about spelling his name correctly. How embarrassing!


Don't worry, at least you didn't spell his name as 'Piranha' grin.
Posted by: JoelW

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/13/12 11:11 AM

Posted by: ju5t1n-h

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/13/12 11:40 AM

Are we talking composer/original or just pianist that we've heard?! As i'd like to say chopin, but also horowitz and kissin.
Posted by: rosey

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/13/12 06:07 PM

It really depends on the piece, or the composer at least, for me. I did not have much love for Schumann before I heard concerto in A minor played by Martha Argerich and she's still the only one who can make me listen to Schumann but when it comes to say, Chopin's 24 preludes (which by the way are my favorite pieces) I can't stand Argerich. I believe pianists are like singers, they don't have to be great at every composer or piece. They can be good at only a certain period or at certain composers' works. That being said, I truly wish I had a favorite composer, I don't think it limits one at all. It would be quite liberating to have a favorite whose recording you would buy without thinking and always end up loving them no matter what or who he plays.

This having favorites depending on the composer thing can be terrible sometimes, especially when the work you want to listen to is made for more than one instrument. When it comes to Schubert's lieds I adore Radu Lupu's playing but prefer Barbara Bonney's voice to Barbara Hendricks. Unfortunately it's Hendricks who team up with Radu Lupu and Bonney has some boring pianist I don't remember. Over analysing can kill the enjoyment.
Posted by: Chopinlover49

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/15/12 12:02 AM

I would have loved hearing Liszt and Chopin and at my age some might think it was possible, but since they were slightly before my time, I am stuck with twentieth and twenty-first century artists so I will throw out a name not mentioned above: Arthur Rubinstein. I also admire Murray Perahia, Vladimir Horowitz, Marta Argerich, Emil Gilels, Wilhelm Kempff, Andrass Schiff, Yundi Li, Earl Wild, Dinu Lipati, and many others. I agree with those who say it varies with the pieces being played. It also depends on my mood. Most of these pianists are a cut above the normal concert pianists for a lot of different reasons, but I am sure I have forgotten to mention great pianists that I will think of later as well. There are so many to admire that it is hard to pick one favorite.
Posted by: polyphasicpianist

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/15/12 01:48 AM

Glenn Gould . . . Because he plays everything wrong and still sounds better than everyone else.
Posted by: im@me

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/16/12 09:39 AM

In terms of how much I own played by a single pianist it is Ashkenhazy
Posted by: NoodleDance18

Re: favourite painist and why - 12/16/12 01:56 PM

My favorite would have to be Claudio Arrau. His style of playing creates such a unique tone, as if he's digging deep into the piano itself to bring out its voice. I really admire his phrasing as well. He seems to me as someone specializing in precision over velocity.