Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson

Posted by: Piano World

Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/03/09 03:08 PM

I have been working with one of our resident concert pianist, Jeffrey Biegel, helping him develop his live online teaching program. (Disclaimer: Although I count Jeffrey as a friend, he also does some advertising on Piano World).

If you aren't familiar with Jeffrey, please see his bio and watch/listen to a few of his YouTube postings (or download/play some files from his web site).

Jeffrey Biegel BIO

Jeffrey is now offering live interactive piano lessons online using Skype.

We need to get some audio/video of this process in action live.

We are looking for a volunteer who already has a web cam, and is either familiar with Skype, or willing to learn quickly. (Skype is available free, and is pretty easy to use).
There is also a program called Pamela for Skype that offers a free 30 day trial. Pamela for Skype allows you to record your Skype audio/video sessions.

Bottom line, we need someone interested in a free piano lesson from a world renowned concert pianist/teacher, in return for recording the session.

Here's your chance to get help with that tricky passage, fingering, phrasing, whatever you want. It's also a chance to "meet" Jeffrey, who besides being a monster pianist happens to be a really nice guy. Time allowance will be made for getting the interactive audio/video working live over the Internet (You will still get a full, real lesson).

Please let me know if you are interested in helping, and how you plan on video taping your side of the online lesson.
If you plan on using a regular camcorder, how do you plan on feeding the video over the Internet, and how will you get a copy of the recording to me?

If you're using a web cam (built in and/or external), have you used Skype? Do you know how to record with it?

One last thing. While you don't need to wear a tux or a gown, neat professional appearance would be appreciated.

Posted by: LiszThalberg

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/03/09 03:39 PM

My teacher and I regularly go around to other teachers to get opinions on my playing, advice for technique, and help on the future. I don't have a webcam, but I use Skype with a mic but my teacher has her nice Mac Desktop right next to her pianos so she can record video from there of her playing on the webcam.

I haven't talked to her yet, but I'm 100% sure she would love to listen to anything Jeffrey has to say about either of our playing. I'm not sure how we'd record the session, but I'm definatly interested.



Matt
Posted by: jotur

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/03/09 04:21 PM

I vote for it being Matt smile

Cathy
Posted by: Piano World

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/03/09 04:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Debussy20
My teacher and I regularly go around to other teachers to get opinions on my playing, advice for technique, and help on the future. I don't have a webcam, but I use Skype with a mic but my teacher has her nice Mac Desktop right next to her pianos so she can record video from there of her playing on the webcam.

I haven't talked to her yet, but I'm 100% sure she would love to listen to anything Jeffrey has to say about either of our playing. I'm not sure how we'd record the session, but I'm definatly interested.



Matt


Matt,

Please discuss with your teacher and let me know what you come up with.

We'd like to be able to show the "live" lesson from both perspectives (Jeffrey's and yours).
Your teacher is of course more than welcome to join in.

Ideally the video you make on your side should show you of course, but it would be helpful if it were possible to get a shot of how you see Jeffrey coming through in the laptop as well.
Posted by: LiszThalberg

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/03/09 04:52 PM

Alright! I've got a lesson tonight, I'll talk to her about it.
Posted by: signa

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/03/09 06:07 PM

i suspect Skype's sound/video quality may not be good enough though. there's another online service:

http://www.wiziq.com/Virtual_Classroom.aspx

which provide video, audio and white board for each session. the video screen is small though in classroom mode, but the sound quality is excellent. i tried lessons with my teacher using it.
Posted by: Piano World

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/03/09 06:15 PM

I trield Skype with Jeffrey, and with a member in Australia.
And I know Jeffrey has used Skype to teach a student in Singapore (Jeffrey is in NY).

The quality is more a matter of the equipment used, and most importantly, the speed of the connection.

It seemed to work ok.

But thanks for the tip signa, I'll check it out.
Posted by: LiszThalberg

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/04/09 11:05 PM

Talked to my teacher, we're very game. We actually talked and after watching Jeff's videos and reading his bio... we'd take a lesson for even if it's not free.

I have a camera, I doubt it's the quality that we need. I'll try to get one of a better quality. My teacher has a nice Mac Desktop right next to a Steinway Grand and Grotrian Grand. I think it's a good setup for a demo lesson.

Do you have any idea when this lesson would be.

Matt
Posted by: Piano World

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/05/09 11:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Debussy20
Talked to my teacher, we're very game. We actually talked and after watching Jeff's videos and reading his bio... we'd take a lesson for even if it's not free.

I have a camera, I doubt it's the quality that we need. I'll try to get one of a better quality. My teacher has a nice Mac Desktop right next to a Steinway Grand and Grotrian Grand. I think it's a good setup for a demo lesson.

Do you have any idea when this lesson would be.

Matt


Sounds good Matt.
The lesson would be soon, we'd like to get the videos done as soon as possible.
I'll IM you Jeffrey's direct contact information so you and your teacher can work out the details with him.
Posted by: R0B

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/05/09 12:12 PM

Just popped in to say that if you have any problem converting the eventual video, so that it can be streamed over the Internet, placed on a web page, or made viewable by anyone, I would be happy to convert it to a flash streaming format, or the format of your choice.
Just let me know.

Regards,
Rob
Posted by: pianovirus

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/05/09 12:25 PM

Matt and Jeff, make sure to let us know how it works out! I would guess that if the audio quality is good enough then many aspects of interpretation can be fruitfully discussed. But what about other aspects - how does it compare to a real-world lesson? What, if anything, is lost? It's an interesting experiment, in any case. Have fun! If it works nicely I would happily pay a lesson or two to get feedback from Jeffrey on some pieces.

P.S. One aspect of live lessons that I would not want to miss is the occasional little beer with my teacher after the work... smile
Posted by: R0B

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/05/09 12:33 PM

Originally Posted By: pianovirus
. One aspect of live lessons that I would not want to miss is the occasional little beer with my teacher after the work... smile


That need not be a problem.

As I recall, when testing out Skype, with Frank, he seemed to have a glass of some amber liquid handy, while we chatted :-)
As it was mid-morning in Australia , I could sadly not reciprocate :-(
Posted by: Piano World

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/05/09 03:36 PM

Originally Posted By: R0B
Originally Posted By: pianovirus
. One aspect of live lessons that I would not want to miss is the occasional little beer with my teacher after the work... smile


That need not be a problem.

As I recall, when testing out Skype, with Frank, he seemed to have a glass of some amber liquid handy, while we chatted :-)
As it was mid-morning in Australia , I could sadly not reciprocate :-(


Strictly for medicinal puposes of course grin
Posted by: DragonPianoPlayer

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/05/09 03:42 PM

Remember the student here is under the legal drinking age in his country. laugh
Posted by: LiszThalberg

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/05/09 05:55 PM

Originally Posted By: DragonPianoPlayer
Remember the student here is under the legal drinking age in his country. laugh



WHAT?!?!!?
Posted by: Philip Lu

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/06/09 11:52 PM

He means that you won't be able to have the occasional beer after like pianovirus.
smokin but in two years you'll be at the legal smoking age!
Posted by: LiszThalberg

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/08/09 03:41 PM

Originally Posted By: pianovirus
Matt and Jeff, make sure to let us know how it works out! I would guess that if the audio quality is good enough then many aspects of interpretation can be fruitfully discussed. But what about other aspects - how does it compare to a real-world lesson? What, if anything, is lost? It's an interesting experiment, in any case. Have fun! If it works nicely I would happily pay a lesson or two to get feedback from Jeffrey on some pieces.

P.S. One aspect of live lessons that I would not want to miss is the occasional little beer with my teacher after the work... smile


Ok guys, had a lesson with Jeffrey this morning. He plays sooo well it's unreal. I didn't play exceptionally well, but I think some of the ideas he talked about were hard for me to accomplish because I yet to think about it as in-depth as he described. I learned quite a bit in my hour long video lesson with him, and I'll probably be back to get some more lessons.

I think there's actually not a lot lost over the internet. I dont think any problems with the instruction really happen because you can see his hands while he can see yours. He corrected my on some thirds fingering.

We were able to discuss the first few bars of Beethoven's Op. 10 No. 3, a piece I just started. He helped me shape some ideas that will carry into, hopefully, the sonata competition I will do early next year.

It was a lot of fun, and I can't wait to do it again.
Posted by: Horowitzian

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/08/09 04:08 PM

Fantastic! Will we get to see it in some fashion, then?
Posted by: LiszThalberg

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/08/09 04:12 PM

I need to upload the audio and video to a computer and send them to Frank. I think he's going to put some of it together into basically a demo. Hopefully not all of it, as I played like crap for some laugh

Matt
Posted by: Horowitzian

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/08/09 04:31 PM

grin

I see. We'll be excited to see it for certain. smile
Posted by: JBiegel

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/08/09 04:40 PM

I was extremely impressed with Matt's playing--he has excitement and energy, none of which was lost in the Skype lesson setting. I am so glad I decided to teach in this manner. I truly feel as though I am in the same room with the other pianist. Matt's teacher, Cathy Combs, is a respected teacher in her own right. She had wonderful questions, which I hope I answered with insight and expertise. The sound (mind you, without any external microphones) was quite fine indeed. Nothing was lost in the transmission. What students need to realize, is that with the technology today of video, I can see exactly what is happening and can see why something is happening in the playing--good and less good. The teaching is the same, actually, as if we were in the same room. Teaching Matt the technical regime was flawless--he got it immediately. Working on some Beethoven was equally fine, as I was able to impart some historical reasoning to support Matt in his approach to the piano, dynamics, etc. I think everyone will find the videos when they are ready and uploaded to be most helpful in deciding if they wish to study with me in this fashion. It certainly beats the cost of an airline ticket! And I am happy to share the Golden Age traditions of playing with everyone who wishes to improve their playing in any way they see the need.
Posted by: John Citron

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/08/09 04:48 PM

This is really cool. I love it when technology works the way it is supposed to and for new purposes such as this. I would like to try this some time myself. I need to get a camera that will easily interface with the computer, but that's about it.

John
Posted by: pianojerome

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/08/09 05:56 PM

This is an excellent idea, and I'm excited for Matt that he had such a wonderful opportunity to learn from such a great pianist and teacher!
Posted by: Piano World

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/08/09 07:34 PM

Matt and Cathy, thank you for participating and video taping (thank your Dad for his help too Matt).

I'm glad you thought it went well, Jeffrey did too.

While I don't expect this technology to replace in person lessons, I believe it works ideally for situations where distance is an issue, providing the opportunity to study with top-notch pianist/teachers without the need to travel.
It's also ideal when a pianist (or teacher) wants some help/coaching with a particular project or challenge.

Another of our professional members, Jazz Pianist/composer/author Steve Barta
( http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...uthor%20St.html ) is looking at doing something similar for Jazz pianist.

Matt, at least you played the Beethoven, when I played for Jeffrey and Steve Barta (at Steve's home) I played something like Moondance, and my rock version of Moonlight Sonata :-)

Looking forward to getting the other videos, now I just have to learn how to edit/splice them.
Posted by: LiszThalberg

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/08/09 09:12 PM

Alright, I'll try to send them tonight! If not, it'll be a DVD through snail mail.

Matt
Posted by: pianovirus

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/09/09 04:46 AM

Thanks Matt and Jeffrey for sharing feedback on your experiment. Good to hear this went so well!

Originally Posted By: Piano World
While I don't expect this technology to replace in person lessons, I believe it works ideally for situations where distance is an issue, providing the opportunity to study with top-notch pianist/teachers without the need to travel.


That's exactly how I was thinking of it. I would not want to substitute my "normal" piano lessons (which luckily are also with a top-notch pianist), but it would be great to complement them by this kind of "online master class" from time to time, to hear other opinions and get new ideas. I'd be happy to take this opportunity as well soon!
Posted by: Andromaque

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/09/09 09:06 AM

PV, who do you study with , if I may ask. (Feel free to ignore, if this is too intrusive smile
Posted by: JBiegel

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/09/09 12:24 PM

I would be happy to explore the idea of an online master class--any thoughts?
Posted by: LiszThalberg

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/09/09 03:13 PM

I'm down! laugh
Posted by: pianovirus

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/09/09 04:43 PM

Originally Posted By: JBiegel
I would be happy to explore the idea of an online master class--any thoughts?


I thought for myself it would be great to get some additional feedback from an accomplished musician other than the personal teacher at an appropriate time. I'm currently preparing a little recital program for autumn and would be happy (as soon as I feel reasonably prepared) to use such a kind of lesson as a good opportunity to get a "second opinion".

Others may have different expectations or additional ideas. In any case, I'm looking forward to the video from your lesson with Matt! thumb

(Adromaque -> PM!)
Posted by: JBiegel

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/09/09 04:58 PM

Depending on where you live in the world, we can certainly do a 9am (New York time zone) master class. This would probably help those in Asia, which is usually 12 hours later, and Europe, which can be 5-8 hours later. Problem, then, would be earlier time zones. I would have to have separate master classes for time zones that are earlier than New York.

My PayPal account is set up for individual lessons for one hour, two hours and even three hours. You would be surprised how many pianists want three hour lessons when they are preparing big recitals, auditions or concerto appearances. For a master class, however, I might need to figure out a way to have the students who are performing pay one fee, and 'auditors' visiting to just watch and listen pay a normal auditor fee. If there is enough interest, I can explore that.
Posted by: pianovirus

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/09/09 05:05 PM

I see - you mean a real online analogy to master classes (I just used the term without thinking... still thought of 1:1 sessions). Regarding more than 1:1, I think it shouldn't be a problem to have many audio participants in a Skype session -- I'm not sure about video though?
Posted by: JBiegel

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/09/09 05:21 PM

I keep the laptop web cam facing the piano--works well in private lessons too. I think one can invite friends on Skype--not sure if there is a limit. I would have to find that out and then keep an updated count on a forum post so when the limit is reached for maximum numbers of people allowed in one Skype session, people won't go to PayPal and purchase an auditor ticket. For now, the 1:1 is probably best way to teach this way. But I am open to the master class idea. My goal is to establish a fine online studio of private pupils. My testimonial will explain it all once it is finalized and uploaded here.
Posted by: Auntie Lynn

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/10/09 09:16 AM

What's the market for this? If I was headed for Carnage Hall and needed prepping, I sure wouldn't do it this way...
Posted by: JBiegel

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/10/09 04:37 PM

Believe it or not, it works extremely well.
Posted by: Varcon

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/13/09 08:05 AM

While the viewing of the hands/movements/fingering, etc., can be observed and interchange of ideas and suggestions made, I can't see that the tonal quality would be the same as in person lessons. That a good teacher like Jeffrey could help a student improve, I wonder how going to specific places in the music and notating could be done. There seems to be some logistic problems that a person to person lesson, i.e., both in the same studio could solve or be approached, that the Skype video would not be as able to do.

I do feel that much could be gained by it--the video lesson--tho and a lesson with a performing artist be of great benefit and, as pointed out in a previous post, save flight money. The opportunity for someone in a remote location to have that ability is wonderful. I'm like Auntie Lynn in another respect that coaching for a recital or orchestra engagement might be better in person.
Posted by: JBiegel

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/13/09 09:43 AM

Again, having done this on several occasions, I have found nothing to be lost. I can tell in two measures over Skype what needs to be fixed--even tonally--just from watching and listening. This might not work for many teachers, but I was fortunate to have studied with Adele Marcus who helped me immensely to teach in all situations and manner of technology.
Posted by: LiszThalberg

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/15/09 11:33 PM

AVI files and DVD sent to Frank! Lessons with Jeff are worth it. He's got so much info on the pieces I'm playing, and such a down to Earth approach.

Matt
Posted by: JBiegel

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/16/09 09:42 PM

Varcon and Auntie Lynn may have valid points, but I can tell from watching if the fingering doesn't work--also by the sound--I was able to help Matt on the fingering of intricate thirds in the LH of Beethoven Opus 10 #3--he nailed it after a few tries. We isolated upper and lower notes of the thirds, upper note legato, lower note staccato and vice versa, did them in groups, patterns etc--Skype or in my studio, it worked just as well. I can also show by use of the arms and wrists how to get a beautiful sound--again, on Skype or in the studio. The physical means will remain the same, and I can tell if it is a singing sound or not. It is great fun!
Posted by: keyboardklutz

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Less - 06/19/09 01:49 AM


I just wish he'd smile a bit!
Posted by: Piano World

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/23/09 03:13 PM

Our thanks to Matt and his teacher for participating in an interactive online piano lesson with Jeffrey Biegel.

I'm glad it was Matt and not me, at least he can keep up :-)
Nice job Matt.

Although the audio makes it seem as if you can't hear Jeffrey, I think Matt will attest it is from the way the recording was done (the mic on the video was far away from the speaker on the computer, and had to be turned down to accommodate the volume of the piano).

I've clipped out a couple of short examples here (also posted on YouTube). May try to get some others out later.






For more about Jeffrey Biegel, concert pianist, see his BIO post on Piano World
Jeffrey Biegel - Concert Pianist

Or his page about teaching piano lessons online interactively using Skype
http://www.pianoworld.com/Piano_Lessons_Online.html
Posted by: lilylady

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/24/09 11:18 AM

Interesting. You did great Matt!

However, it was near impossible to hear anything that Jeffrey was saying so not sure how it would work out for master classes unless he had a separate mic.

What equipment were you using Matt? Size of the screen? Laptop?

I can see that one would need to shut off their screensaver!

I would still be interested in giving it a try. Maybe next winter. ;-)
Posted by: Piano World

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/24/09 11:25 AM

The problem hearing Jeffrey was in the recording.

The mic was where the camera was, and turned down so the piano wouldn't overpower it.

If you were there live, you'd be able to hear Jeffrey just fine. I would however suggest headphones and/or external speakers.

When I tried this with our member in Australia we had no trouble hearing each other.

And when I tried it with Jeffrey we found it worked much better if you had headphones on.

Yes, Matt did do great, you should hear the rest of the lesson.
Somehow I don't think Jeffrey was quite as impressed with my version of Moon Dance :-)



Posted by: LiszThalberg

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/24/09 03:23 PM

Originally Posted By: lilylady
Interesting. You did great Matt!

However, it was near impossible to hear anything that Jeffrey was saying so not sure how it would work out for master classes unless he had a separate mic.

What equipment were you using Matt? Size of the screen? Laptop?

I can see that one would need to shut off their screensaver!

I would still be interested in giving it a try. Maybe next winter. ;-)


I could hear Jeffrey clearly pretty much all the time. The video chat froze once when we first started it, but other than that, the sound, video, and general connection worked excellent. It's hard to hear Jeffrey in those videos because I put the camera so far away from the computer. I should have put it closer... I just wanted to get both grands in the picture as my teacher and jam away.

We're using my teachers GIANT Mac desktop. I have no idea about what model. I'm not a Mac person laugh

And next time, I will definitely turn the screen saver off smile

Matt
Posted by: JBiegel

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/24/09 03:37 PM

I would definitely have an externa; mic-especially for master classes. But with headphones, all members would hear quite well. This is definitely going to gain speed over the next few years--all concert artists and teachers will most probably do more of this kind of teaching for those who would like to study with them and cannot travel to their studio.
Posted by: Horowitzian

Re: Volunteer Needed for Video Taped Advanced Lesson - 06/24/09 08:42 PM

iMac. wink