Passionate and intense pieces?

Posted by: Rach3PianoS139

Passionate and intense pieces? - 06/13/09 12:01 PM

I'm trying to listen to really passionate music, such passionate as the Transcendental Etude No.10 by Liszt or the Symphony No.2 by Rachmaninoff.
Btw, my favorite piece in this field is Reminiscences de Norma by Liszt :), it's so passionate and emotional.
Can you list some other options??


Jason
Posted by: Horowitzian

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 06/13/09 12:39 PM

Rachmaninoff Etude–Tableau in E Flat Minor, Op. 39 no. 5 comes to mind immediately.



His studio recording from the early 1960's is even better; that is a live recording. I chose it because it is one of those wonderful vids that has the music right along with it. smile
Posted by: Rach3PianoS139

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 06/13/09 12:47 PM

Wow!!!!! Thanks for that Horowitzian. This Etude is sooo great :):) I never heard it before.

Thanks,
Jason
Posted by: Pogorelich.

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 06/13/09 12:53 PM

Rachmaninoff 2nd sonata!

I like Van Cliburn's.
Posted by: Horowitzian

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 06/13/09 12:55 PM

You are most welcome! smile

Another piece that might suit your criteria is the Liszt Bm Sonata. If you didn't get your utter fill of it during the Cliburn as I did. sick

Horowitz's unparalleled 1932 recording:









YT search that turned up some other interesting Liszt Sonata hits
Posted by: Rach3PianoS139

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 06/13/09 12:58 PM

I already heard the 2nd Sonata by Rach. smile
I think is one of the most beautiful sonatas along with the Sonata in B minor by Liszt. smile

Btw thanks smile
Posted by: Pogorelich.

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 06/13/09 01:02 PM

How about Wagner-Liszt 'Liebestod" or Liszt "Harmonies du soir"
Posted by: Rach3PianoS139

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 06/13/09 01:04 PM

Horowitzian,

I never heard before this interpretation, Horowitz really brings all the emotions out with a highly intense and sublime performance:). Thanks smile
His Rach 3 is one of my favorite by the way. Horowitz is in my top 5 pianists haha. Have you heard his Sonetto del 104 Petrarca?

Jason
Posted by: Janus K. Sachs

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 06/13/09 01:05 PM

Ustvolskaya: Piano Sonata No. 6
Sibelius: Symphony No. 6
Stravinsky: Symphony in C
Wagner: Piano Sonata in Bb Op. 1
Liszt: Unstern
Ravel: Prelude for piano
Debussy: Jeux
Beethoven: Violin Sonata No. 10 Op. 96
Prokofiev: Symphony No. 2
Posted by: Rach3PianoS139

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 06/13/09 01:08 PM

AngelinaPogorelich,

I will try the first one: Wagner-Liszt "Liebestod". I already heard Harmonies du Soir, btw is one of my favorite Transcendental Etudes.

Thank you smile
Posted by: babama

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 06/13/09 01:18 PM

Scriabin - Etude Op. 42 No. 5

Posted by: Horowitzian

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 06/13/09 01:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Rach3PianoS139
Horowitzian,

I never heard before this interpretation, Horowitz really brings all the emotions out with a highly intense and sublime performance:). Thanks smile
His Rach 3 is one of my favorite by the way. Horowitz is in my top 5 pianists haha. Have you heard his Sonetto del 104 Petrarca?

Jason


No problem! smile

I have heard his Sonetto 104 del Petrarcha. Wonderful! cool



Speaking of Rach 3, be sure to hear his 1951 recording with Reiner if you have not. There is one unfortunate cut made, but it surely is his ultimate achievement in the piece.

See this one too:

Posted by: Rach3PianoS139

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 06/13/09 02:20 PM

I watched that performance. It's incredible the way he played that. Btw, have you ever read the book "Evenings with Horowitz" by David Dubal? Magnificent book!! You can learn a lot about Horowitz there.

Jason
Posted by: Horowitzian

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 06/13/09 02:33 PM

I haven't read that book, but my local library tends to have quite a few books like that, so I'm going to visit soon. smile
Posted by: babama

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/12/09 05:14 PM

Check this out: Lazar Berman - Scriabin Fantasie Op. 28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxeGu-RKC-Q&fmt=18

Fantastic. What a MONSTROUS piece. Almost too much for me... almost. smile
Posted by: HNB

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/12/09 07:48 PM

Check out the Goyescas suite by Enrique Granados. Beautiful, passionate, and quite tricky smile
Posted by: david_a

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/12/09 08:21 PM

Are you interested in piano only, or all sorts of things?

(For example, Puccini didn't give us much piano music, but maybe you'll want to listen anyway...)
Posted by: PartyPianist

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/12/09 08:49 PM

My three all time favourite works are Beethoven's 9th Symphony (choral), Mozart's Requiem Mass in C Minor and Brahm's Double Concerto.

But for pianistic passion, intensity and difficulty the crown surely must go to Liapunov and his 12 transcental etudes (after Liszt) with Albeniz' Iberian Suite coming a close 2nd.
Posted by: Big_Al

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/13/09 08:22 PM

Chopin's Andante Spianato and Grand Polonaise in E Flat, Op. 22... That's an amazing piece (or pieces depending on the recording as it's often split), as is his Ballade in G Minor Op. 23/2.

I could also recommend Liszt's Mephisto Waltz #2, S. 515
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/13/09 08:28 PM

I'm biased because it's a lot of what I'm playing now, but, to me the height of "intense" at least right now is SCRIABIN.
I'm focusing mostly on late Scriabin which is not very 'accessible' for a lot of people but which is certainly extremely intense, although often in a quiet way.
A couple of specific pieces:
Vers la Flamme ("Toward the Flame")
Sonata #9 (Black Mass)
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/13/09 08:29 PM

COOL!! You mentioned Scriabin too! (See above post.)

That etude you mentioned (42/5) is one of my favorites also....and I understand it was THE one that Scriabin himself performed the most, supposedly even more than the famous earlier C# minor.
Posted by: Sparkler

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/13/09 08:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Rach3PianoS139
I'm trying to listen to really passionate music, such passionate as the Transcendental Etude No.10 by Liszt or the Symphony No.2 by Rachmaninoff.
Btw, my favorite piece in this field is Reminiscences de Norma by Liszt :), it's so passionate and emotional.
Can you list some other options??


Jason


I haven't read the other replies yet, so apologies if someone has already said these:

Prokofiev Piano Sonata 1, Op 1
Scriabin Etude D# minor Op 8
Schumann Fantasie in C, Op 17 no 3

Among many others :-)
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/13/09 08:54 PM

Nice collection there!!
BTW...by saying #3 on the Schumann, do you mean to single out the last movement?

Certainly that Schumann (even just the opening bars of the piece) belong in any discussion of 'passionate and intense.'

And I'm thrilled to see so many people mentioning Scriabin.
That D# minor etude is extremely passionate and intense, even when played in an understated way, which some people do.
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/13/09 08:58 PM

P.S. Did you know that THIS performance of the D# minor etude exists?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK2uTtuI84w

I was bowled over when I discovered it.
Posted by: Sparkler

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/13/09 09:42 PM

Originally Posted By: MarkCannon
Nice collection there!!
BTW...by saying #3 on the Schumann, do you mean to single out the last movement?

Certainly that Schumann (even just the opening bars of the piece) belong in any discussion of 'passionate and intense.'

And I'm thrilled to see so many people mentioning Scriabin.
That D# minor etude is extremely passionate and intense, even when played in an understated way, which some people do.


Re: Schumann - no, I think it is passionate pretty much from beginning to end, although the middle mov is held back.

Thanks for the link to that recording, no I had not heard it before! My fave recording of it prior was one of Horowitz last live performances of it. Very powerful and moving.
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/13/09 10:56 PM

Yes.......Horowitz of course performed the D# minor Etude many times and recorded it various times also. I mentioned before that some people play it "understated," and while some of Horowitz's performances of it were full of fire, I came across at least one (a LATE performance) that was EXTREMELY restrained -- starting softly and remaining 'lyrical' most of the time.
Posted by: argerichfan

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/14/09 01:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Rach3PianoS139

Btw, my favorite piece in this field is Reminiscences de Norma by Liszt :), it's so passionate and emotional.

The OP managed to mention -IMO- Liszt's greatest operatic fantasy, and certainly a work which qualifies as 'passionate and intense'. Taken on its own, there are few finer, and more exciting, pieces in the repertoire. It should be cataloged as an original work by Liszt with themes borrowed from Bellini.

Really now, to call it an 'operatic fantasy' damns it to reside amongst the pedestrian -and frequently tiresome- efforts of Thalberg, Herz, Pixis, deMayer, all that stuff. Might as well put the Liszt B minor Sonata next to the MacDowell sonatas and be careful not to remove the musical blinders.
Posted by: babama

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/14/09 05:09 AM

Originally Posted By: babama
Check this out: Lazar Berman - Scriabin Fantasie Op. 28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxeGu-RKC-Q&fmt=18

Fantastic. What a MONSTROUS piece. Almost too much for me... almost. smile


I think the greatest performance is by Sofronitsky, but it's less enjoyable in sound quality. The way he plays that theme at 1:54 is out of this world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvc2K_5JWho
Posted by: Juishi

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/14/09 02:47 PM

How could anyone forget allegro appassionato from Brahm's B-flat piano concerto shocked

Posted by: Rach3PianoS139

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/14/09 04:50 PM

Originally Posted By: david_a
Are you interested in piano only, or all sorts of things?

(For example, Puccini didn't give us much piano music, but maybe you'll want to listen anyway...)


No, I don't mind if it is not piano. Thanks
Posted by: Fredil

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/14/09 07:11 PM

I'm presently quite astounded that no one has mentioned Chopin yet. :P

Here's a few for you:

Prelude Op. 28 No. 24
Piano Sonata No. 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihjDQbMTZIo
Ballade No. 2 (it's very calm at first, but sets up quite an interesting contrast eventually... I guarantee that the last two minutes will satisfy you, at least) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsoUIBcl7iw

I personally like Arrau's version of the preludes the best (but they aren't on YouTube), and Zimerman/Ashkenazy for the sonata. As for the four Ballades, Zimerman is unparalleled.

Some other intense pieces that may or may not exactly meet your criteria are a few of Chopin's etudes (10/1, 10/4, 10/12, 25/11, 25/12 come to mind), the first movements of both his concertos, and Liszt's TE Nos. 4, 8, and 12, and Liszt's Totentanz.
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/14/09 07:22 PM

I only just recently discovered Sofronitsky (via youtube, plus via learning more about Scriabin ......you probably know that Sofronitsky married his daughter). I'd never heard of him before.
And yes, he's extraordinary.
I found a fantastic recording by him of the 9th sonata, and it sounds probably even weirder than it was supposed to smile because (I'm pretty sure) they played back the master too slow, so THE PITCH IS LOW!! (by about a full quarter-tone)
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/14/09 07:25 PM

Yup -- the 2nd movement of the Brahms 2nd concerto absolutely also belongs in any discussion of "passionate and intense."

BTW.......off the subject, but did you ever realize.....
The main theme of the 1st mvt fits perfectly to the words:
"This.....is.....Brahms'......se-cond-con-cer.........to......"

And that's not all. smile
The main theme of the FIRST concerto fits perfectly with:
"THIS........IS.........THE...FIRST...ONE!" ha
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/14/09 07:28 PM

Yes, it's pretty glaring that nobody had mentioned Chopin. And I'd have to guess that it's because of that word "INTENSE."
It's not that Chopin isn't intense, just that it's not one of the main things we associate with him.

If we had to single out some Chopin pieces......good job mentioning that prelude (#24).
Also how about the 16th prelude.
And also, good job mentioning the 2nd sonata -- through and through.

I'd add the 4th Ballade and the F# minor Polonaise.
Posted by: pianojosh23

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/15/09 07:11 PM

Rachmaninoff's unique performance of his "Elegie"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL9PX4VkN4I

Horowitz playing Liszt's "Funerailles"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRNy4pUTgWQ

However my favourite recording of the Funerailles is this recording by Raffaele Mani
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaPW_4K-_8M

Liszt's Bm sonata
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOSIlXnM7Co

Horowitz playing Liszt's Second Ballade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G42K59bQqg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9436krGxzr4&feature=related

Rach's Etude tableaux 39 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh-iSmudNgA

Brahmes F minor Sonata, especially first movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha2ZbUPFzV8&feature=related

Rach's G minor prelude.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXU7I_Yyi2Y

Rach's C# minor prelude
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtuMVBLEWJU&feature=related

These jumped out at me, though there are so many more.
Posted by: patoapaez

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/17/09 09:46 PM

Alkan's 3rd Souvenir (Morte)!!!

Here is Marc-Andre Hamelin's recording:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E31_ogoKhVY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LKTP28iDig&feature=related
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/17/09 10:31 PM

.....and if we're talking Alkan, under the heading of "passionate and intense" maybe we should also mention the 1st movement of the "Symphonie" for solo piano.
Hamelin (of course) does that piece too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMPk6ZHMP...PL&index=42
Posted by: Fredil

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/17/09 10:46 PM

I just noticed:

Quote:
Don't expect me to be sane, I'm playing Scriabin

I laughed out loud. Thanks for making my day. :P
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/17/09 11:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Fredil
I just noticed:
Quote:
Don't expect me to be sane, I'm playing Scriabin

I laughed out loud. Thanks for making my day. :P

Thanks much! smile I'm pretty new here and you're the first one who has commented on it.
It always makes my day too. ha
Posted by: argerichfan

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/17/09 11:36 PM

Originally Posted By: MarkCannon

And that's not all. smile
The main theme of the FIRST concerto fits perfectly with:
"THIS........IS.........THE...FIRST...ONE!" ha

Maybe not such an unusual occurrence as you might think. wink Listen to the opening theme of Elgar's Enigma Variations: Ed-ward EL-gar. Perhaps not surprising considering the very cryptic nature of so much of his music.
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/18/09 12:06 AM

Originally Posted By: argerichfan
Originally Posted By: MarkCannon

And that's not all. smile
The main theme of the FIRST concerto fits perfectly with:
"THIS........IS.........THE...FIRST...ONE!" ha

Maybe not such an unusual occurrence as you might think. wink Listen to the opening theme of Elgar's Enigma Variations: Ed-ward EL-gar. Perhaps not surprising considering the very cryptic nature of so much of his music.

Do you mean you're figuring that Brahms purposely did a theme that fit those words? That's not what I was thinking......

(I imagine you are figuring pretty much that Elgar did it on purpose, at least "subconsciously.")
Posted by: argerichfan

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/18/09 10:21 AM

Originally Posted By: MarkCannon

Do you mean you're figuring that Brahms purposely did a theme that fit those words? That's not what I was thinking......

No, I wasn't thinking that at all- I'm sure Brahms had better things to do! I just found it amusing how you matched words up with the opening of the two concertos.
Quote:
I imagine you are figuring pretty much that Elgar did it on purpose, at least "subconsciously."

As Elgar came up with his theme when casually improvising at the piano one evening -and long before he thought of writing a composition dedicated to 'my friends pictured within'- I would say it was very subconscious.
Posted by: akonow

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/18/09 01:06 PM

I'd probably say that, among Chopin's opera, the Grand Polonaise Brillante Op 22 and the Fantasie Op 49 are among the most passionate pieces (not to mention my favorites). Hopefully Michelangeli can reassure you of this...

Grand Polonaise Brillante:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfMdU0pSqXc

Fantasie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx6oawcsIkI
Posted by: babama

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/18/09 01:37 PM

for something a bit less 'classical'

Hana-Bi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plwNHYvyWA4

Piano piece by Japanese film composer Joe Hisaishi
I just like the piece for what it is. I'm learning it right now.
Posted by: Mark_C

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/18/09 02:00 PM

.....wherein we are reminded that the plural of opus is "opera." :-)
(I think we rarely actually see it that way.....)
Posted by: xtraheat

Re: Passionate and intense pieces? - 11/18/09 02:11 PM

Dohnanyi's fourth etude... It is one of the most intense pieces that I have ever heard (and had the pleasure of learning). It has one melody in the middle that might be the most beautiful and intense melody that I have ever heard. Definitely give it a listen