Students' attitude list??

Posted by: ezpiano.org

Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 02:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Partial list example
1. No Whining.
2. No saying "I can't".
3. No Rudeness, no swearing, treat your teacher with respect.
4. No banging on the piano. When piano lid is close, no elbow on piano! No throwing things.
5. Not being perfectionist! Everyone make mistakes, it is okay to make mistakes, I do not need to see your sour and angry face every time you make mistakes!
6. Bring all your note book, piano books, and theory books!
7. If you haven't practice, tell your teacher, then we can do something else rather than going thru your songs.
8. Be open. Be willing to change. Even if you think your way is better or it's too hard to do something different, give it a try. Some things just take time.
9. Don't be defensive. You pay your teacher to give you help. Use it.
10. Don’t be angry when your teacher point out your mistakes. That is my job to tell you that you play wrong!


Hello!
I am trying to write a list that I expect my students to follow during lesson to make our lessons smooth and to prevent bad attitude. I came out with this list (mainly copy and paste from other people). Is there anything else you like to add? Together we can compile a list and use it in our studio.
Thanks!
Posted by: red-rose

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 02:35 PM

Great idea.
A lot could fall under the category of "no rudeness," but I might add specifically "No interrupting. No playing the piano or talking while your teacher is trying to talk."

Also, for the final edit for when you'll be actually distributing this to people, make sure #7 says "If you haven't practiced" and "through" instead of "thru."
Posted by: keystring

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 02:37 PM

Your list states what you don't want students to do. How about what you do want them to do?
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 02:43 PM

Originally Posted By: keystring
Your list states what you don't want students to do. How about what you do want them to do?
Here's my abridged list:
1. Do what I say, and all will work out well.
wink
Posted by: red-rose

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 02:47 PM

Originally Posted By: keystring
Your list states what you don't want students to do. How about what you do want them to do?

ok, how about:
"DO not whine, DO not say 'I can't'..."
wink
Posted by: Polyphonist

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 02:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: keystring
Your list states what you don't want students to do. How about what you do want them to do?
Here's my abridged list:
1. Do what I say, and all will work out well.
wink

I completely disagree. Blindly following a teacher is the worst possible thing a student can do. They will never be the teacher, because they aren't the teacher, but they will also never be their own individual, just a musical machine destined to fail.

You should find a teacher who agrees with you on most matters of interpretation, and then work with that teacher. If a teacher tells you to do X and you disagree, think it over, and if you still think your way is better, then you should do what you feel is right. Doing a questionable interpretation your way is better than doing a "correct" interpretation that you feel is wrong, because you won't be able to connect to the music at all that way.
Posted by: red-rose

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 02:50 PM

No, but really.
I see the point of not making a list with a whole bunch of "No's," but I think in reality if you are having regular discipline issues (although if the discipline issues really are regular, and it's occurring from many different students, then perhaps it is more of a problem on the teacher's end?) but if it's not that, it's a lot easier to enforce a list of "Don't"'s (that ideally the student has already agreed upon?) by pointing out "you did this when you promised you wouldn't," instead of the more vague "just do what I say."
Posted by: ten left thumbs

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 02:51 PM

It comes across as whiny and negative. All those things they can't do, and then they can't be perfectionist? I wouldn't send my kid to you, given that.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 02:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: keystring
Your list states what you don't want students to do. How about what you do want them to do?
Here's my abridged list:
1. Do what I say, and all will work out well.
wink

I completely disagree. Blindly following a teacher is the worst possible thing a student can do. They will never be the teacher, because they aren't the teacher, but they will also never be their own individual, just a musical machine destined to fail.

You should find a teacher who agrees with you on most matters of interpretation, and then work with that teacher. If a teacher tells you to do X and you disagree, think it over, and if you still think your way is better, then you should do what you feel is right. Doing a questionable interpretation your way is better than doing a "correct" interpretation that you feel is wrong, because you won't be able to connect to the music at all that way.
We are talking about children here, not adults. I HOPE adults don't need a list of rules on how to behave at a lesson. crazy
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 02:56 PM

Originally Posted By: red-rose
No, but really.
I see the point of not making a list with a whole bunch of "No's," but I think in reality if you are having regular discipline issues (although if the discipline issues really are regular, and it's occurring from many different students, then perhaps it is more of a problem on the teacher's end?) but if it's not that, it's a lot easier to enforce a list of "Don't"'s (that ideally the student has already agreed upon?) by pointing out "you did this when you promised you wouldn't," instead of the more vague "just do what I say."
Wow, do people lack a sense of humor? Did you not see the silly wink emoticon? Sheesh.
Posted by: TimR

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 03:00 PM

Still, there are 7 NOs and only 3 YESs on the list.

It's a little easier to do something than not do something. I think in the long run you're better off with a more positive sounding set of rules.

And yes, adults need rules too, and are rarely given them. I see it all the time when adults without a musical background enter lessons or various ensemble groups, and are unaware of the unwritten codes that govern behavior.
Posted by: red-rose

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 03:02 PM

I have to add... it does amaze me the difference that I see in how children act at their lessons.
Two children in one family are extremely polite- they never play or talk while I'm talking, they don't flip the page when they can "sense" that we're getting ready to move on, they always say "thank you" after the lesson, etc; and of course I have also taught kids with complete opposite behaviors. They clearly aren't getting taught how behave and be in-general-polite at home, and it would be almost unfair to suddenly expect them to start behaving perfectly to my satisfaction, so giving them some written expectations might not be such a bad idea. It's just that you can't even expect basic politeness from some kids - there is such a contrast in what I see from different families, it's like you really do have to spell it out for them. The positive sentence "Be polite" would not mean anything to those kids who have not been taught *how* to be polite. Maybe they really do need a specific set of rules of what that entails.

/sorry, end rant about kids not being raise properly... crazy
Posted by: AZNpiano

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 03:04 PM

When working with young children:

1) Keep the rules simple, and the list of rules short (3 or 4 max).

2) State the rules positively (Do this) instead of negatively (Don't do this).

3) State a series of consequences, and follow through! Make sure the consequences have bite and not just some "empty threat."

The teacher is the adult in the situation, so draw up the boundaries and take charge!
Posted by: ezpiano.org

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 03:06 PM

Originally Posted By: incomplete list
1. No whining.
2. No saying "I can't".
3. No rudeness, no swearing, treat your teacher with respect.
4. No banging on the piano. When piano lid is close, no elbow on piano! No throwing things.
5. Do not need to be a perfectionist! Everyone make mistakes, it is okay to make mistakes, I do not need to see your sour and angry face every time you make mistakes!
6. Bring all your note book, piano books, and theory books!
7. If you haven't practice, tell your teacher, then we can do something else rather than going through your songs.
8. Be open. Be willing to change. Even if you think your way is better or it's too hard to do something different, give it a try. Some things just take time.
9. Don't be defensive. You pay your teacher to give you help. Use it.
10. Don’t be angry when your teacher point out your mistakes. That is my job to tell you that you play wrong!
11. Answer your teacher’s question. If your teacher asks: “What is this note?” Answer her with your mouth, don’t play it on piano.
12. No interrupting. When your teacher is talking or playing for you, please watch and listen.
13. Play each note only one time, when your teacher says repeat that note, just play it one time, don’t play it ten times to show that you are angry.
14. Keep focused. Don't look at the clock and sigh. Don't say, "Do I have to play that again?"
15. Communicate. If you feel frustrated or confused, let the teacher know. You can avoid tears over some misunderstanding at the lesson if your teacher knows your feelings. Ask for help or a break.
16. Enjoy this special hour. When you learn something exciting, express your delight. Take pleasure in your lessons and your relationship with your teacher.
17. Be persistent. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither is a good musician.
18. Be curious and develop your own opinions and style.
19. If you feel your teacher is too demanding or doesn't give you enough to work on, tell her. Work together to set goals and standards.
20. At competition, focus not only on the results but on the effort too. You can't win every time but you can always improve.
21. Before you decide to quit lessons, discuss your problems with the teacher. Give her a chance to accommodate your needs.
22. Remember the goal is not just to become a better pianist, but to become a better person through your music, through your discipline, through your persistent.


The list is not yet complete. I know it is getting longer. I wish I can learn from Morodine, with only one rule: "Do what I say" rule.

I do not need troll here in this forum. We are here to help each other, not to put each other down.
Thanks
Posted by: red-rose

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 03:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: red-rose
No, but really.
I see the point of not making a list with a whole bunch of "No's," but I think in reality if you are having regular discipline issues (although if the discipline issues really are regular, and it's occurring from many different students, then perhaps it is more of a problem on the teacher's end?) but if it's not that, it's a lot easier to enforce a list of "Don't"'s (that ideally the student has already agreed upon?) by pointing out "you did this when you promised you wouldn't," instead of the more vague "just do what I say."
Wow, do people lack a sense of humor? Did you not see the silly wink emoticon? Sheesh.

I was actually responding more to the third post on this thread, by (I think) keystring, which suggested using a list of what you do want them to do. I guess I just casually lumped together that suggestion (which you had quoted) with your joking one, which is what I ended up using in my example, but I think my example (which I quoted) still works with just about any "positive statement." Like, "You banged on the piano when you promised you wouldn't" has I think more affect (or effect?) than "you promised you would be polite but you banged on the piano."

And I actually do have a sense of humor. Apparently it's just my reading comprehension that stinks, but thanks for pointing that out. {eyeroll}
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 03:17 PM

Originally Posted By: red-rose
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: red-rose
No, but really.
I see the point of not making a list with a whole bunch of "No's," but I think in reality if you are having regular discipline issues (although if the discipline issues really are regular, and it's occurring from many different students, then perhaps it is more of a problem on the teacher's end?) but if it's not that, it's a lot easier to enforce a list of "Don't"'s (that ideally the student has already agreed upon?) by pointing out "you did this when you promised you wouldn't," instead of the more vague "just do what I say."
Wow, do people lack a sense of humor? Did you not see the silly wink emoticon? Sheesh.

I was actually responding more to the third post on this thread, by (I think) keystring, which suggested using a list of what you do want them to do. I guess I just casually lumped together that suggestion (which you had quoted) with your joking one, which is what I ended up using in my example, but I think my example (which I quoted) still works with just about any "positive statement." Like, "You banged on the piano when you promised you wouldn't" has I think more affect (or effect?) than "you promised you would be polite but you banged on the piano."

And I actually do have a sense of humor. Apparently it's just my reading comprehension that stinks, but thanks for pointing that out. {eyeroll}
It was you and Polyphony that both posted in response to my joke so I got ticked off with everyone seeming to "jump all over me."

Anyways, I agree that having an agreement with each student is important, that way you can point out to them when they are behaving in a way that is counterproductive for learning and alos, if there's anything that the student requests of the teacher, that can also be accommodated to be fair.
Posted by: Joyce_dup1

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 03:21 PM

In my view, there are two different lists going on here. One is part of the Studio Policy which is where piano lessons are discussed and certain understandings are reached (like don't break my piano). If a serious problem arises, we refer to our Studio Policy, signed by all parties, including student, to reach a decision.

The second list is in play at every lesson. Mine was originally created for special ed students and includes pictures. My simple list includes items such as the following. Note that it is just a few words. It could be reviewed at each lesson. One page, in color, which is set on the music stand at the beginning of the lesson, as needed.

Sit Quietly
Eyes On
Listen
Hands Down

etc.
Posted by: ezpiano.org

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 03:23 PM

How would your list look like if you want to keep only 5 max in the list? Do you mind share, ANZ?

Thanks!
Posted by: AZNpiano

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 04:05 PM

Originally Posted By: ezpiano.org
How would your list look like if you want to keep only 5 max in the list? Do you mind share, ANZ?


1) Follow directions the first time given
2) Be prepared for each lesson
Posted by: ezpiano.org

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 04:11 PM

Follow directions the first time given

That "first time" is very important! Often I feel I am ten years older because I nag too much...ah....
Posted by: chasingrainbows

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 04:24 PM

Here's my list (which I only pull out for those students that need a little reminder of piano etiquette):

I will not play the piano while teacher is talking.

I will not interrupt the teacher when teacher is talking.

I will only play the piece I am instructed to play.

I will treat the piano gently - I will not bang on the piano.

I will use tissues when nose is running, and cough into my sleeve.

: )
Posted by: malkin

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 04:25 PM

I learned somewhere that the 2 rules for rules were to have three rules and to state them in the positive.
(Nevermind that the rule about 3 rules is violated by only having 2 rules for rules.) When my daughter was young, in order to have her friend over, we had to have rules that the friend was expected by her mother to obey. So we made up the HOUSE RULES:
1. Be kind.
2. Preserve wholeness. (later amended to "Promote wholeness")
3. Remember the rules.


For piano, I like Morodiene's rule!
Posted by: TimR

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 04:26 PM

Originally Posted By: chasingrainbows
Here's my list (which I only pull out for those students that need a little reminder of piano etiquette):

I will not play the piano while teacher is talking.

I will not interrupt the teacher when teacher is talking.

I will only play the piece I am instructed to play.

I will treat the piano gently - I will not bang on the piano.

I will use tissues when nose is running, and cough into my sleeve.

: )


Good list.

Er, good student list.

What about a teacher list? <smiley>
Posted by: ezpiano.org

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 04:31 PM

I like to combine M and Anz list here into...
1.
Do what I say, the first time I say it, and all will work out well.

2.
Be prepared for each lesson

I think these are the most concise and easy rules!

I think we should ask students to come out the "teacher's lists".

So, if you are piano students here, please contribute what you expect your teachers to do for you in lesson.

Thanks!!
Posted by: red-rose

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 04:37 PM

Originally Posted By: chasingrainbows
Here's my list (which I only pull out for those students that need a little reminder of piano etiquette):

I will not play the piano while teacher is talking.

I will not interrupt the teacher when teacher is talking.

I will only play the piece I am instructed to play.

I will treat the piano gently - I will not bang on the piano.

I will use tissues when nose is running, and cough into my sleeve.

: )

I like this list. I think it is a nice balance of "do" and "do not" statements. (In my personal opinion, the first two are an example of how it would be difficult to make a "positive" statement out of them - "be polite" might be too vague, but to my ear, a statement that gets a similar idea across, like "I will only play or talk when the teacher is not talking or when I am asked a question" is a little too wordy and even a bit confusing.)
Posted by: malkin

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 04:38 PM

Originally Posted By: ezpiano.org

I think we should ask students to come out the "teacher's lists".

So, if you are piano students here, please contribute what you expect your teachers to do for you in lesson.

Thanks!!


Here's a few too many:

Pay attention.
Provide specific and concrete instructions.
Set realistic expectations.
Acknowledge both effort and progress.
Maintain perspective and laugh sometimes.
Posted by: MaggieGirl

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 07:48 PM

My daughter's classroom teacher has them recite this every morning:
We adhere to the Delano Code of Law which says the following:

I am Intelligent.
I am Talented.
I am Special.
I am Worth Loving.
I am Worth Forgiving.
I am a Gift.
I am Intrinsically Good.
I must Believe in Myself.
I will be My Own Best Friend.
I have Discipline.
I have Courage
I am Responsible.
I have Commitment.
I am a Winner.
I will Always Envision Success.

it's much more positive and covers the same themes.
Posted by: ezpiano.org

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/17/13 08:22 PM

Maggie, I love your list! I am going to copy it and have my student recite every week.
Thanks!
Posted by: AZNpiano

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/18/13 03:23 AM

Originally Posted By: MaggieGirl
My daughter's classroom teacher has them recite this every morning:
We adhere to the Delano Code of Law which says the following:

I am Intelligent.
I am Talented.
I am Special.
I am Worth Loving.
I am Worth Forgiving.
I am a Gift.
I am Intrinsically Good.
I must Believe in Myself.
I will be My Own Best Friend.
I have Discipline.
I have Courage
I am Responsible.
I have Commitment.
I am a Winner.
I will Always Envision Success.

it's much more positive and covers the same themes.

Does your daughter go to a private or a public school? I'm surprised such recitations are allowed on a daily basis.
Posted by: MaggieGirl

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/18/13 09:40 AM

Public school. There is nothing objectionable with any of the code. They say it after the pledge (which is more objectionable since it mentions G-d). Why would a recitation be surprising? Her teacher works on character, the class is a family -we may not "like each other all the time" but since we are family we respect each other as well as social skills in addition to academics, physical education and music.
Posted by: TimR

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/18/13 09:54 AM

I was in a Distar classroom once during an internship.

They started the day by screaming the rules at the top of their lungs.

They seemed to really get into the spirit of it, too, like being at a pep rally.
Posted by: Brinestone

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/18/13 10:23 AM

Okay, the copy editor in me feels compelled to edit your original list, ezpiano. I hope that's not annoying, but if you're going to show this to your students and their parents, you want it clean.

1. No whining.
2. No saying, "I can't."
3. No rudeness, no swearing, and no defensiveness. Treat your teacher with respect.
4. No banging on the piano. When the piano lid is closed, no elbows on the piano.
5. Be quiet, keep your hands in your lap, and pay attention when I'm talking.
6. It's okay to not be perfect. Have a good attitude about your mistakes. They are an essential part of learning.
7. Bring your notebook, theory book, and all piano books to every lesson.
8. If you haven't practiced, tell your teacher at the beginning of your lesson. Then we can do something else rather than going through your songs.
9. Be open. Be willing to change. Even if you think your way is better or it's too hard to do something different, give my suggestions a try. Some things just take time.
10. Have fun! Making music is exciting.

I incorporated "no defensiveness" into your #3, added a new #5 according to another suggestion because I thought it was important, added #10 to keep the positivity up, deleted some of the more bitter-sounding wording or flipped wording around to make it more positive, and corrected some grammatical and punctuation errors.

Feel free to use or not use this as you will.
Posted by: Saranoya

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/18/13 11:23 AM

Someone asked for a teacher list. I like Malkin's list:

Originally Posted By: Malkin

Pay attention.
Provide specific and concrete instructions.
Set realistic expectations.
Acknowledge both effort and progress.
Maintain perspective and laugh sometimes.


I'd just add one more: respect your student's goals.

I took lessons as a fifteen-year-old with a Russian lady who was a very good pianist, but who also only really wanted to teach future concert pianists (or at least those who had the ambition to some day go to conservatory). It shone through in the way she taught the rest of us, in that she was incapable of recognising that a *small* step forward is a step forward nonetheless.

You will get along easily with a great many of your students, if you can accept the fact that not all of them will take the same path you did in your piano education, and even among those who do, not all of them will get to the same destination -- nor will they all want to get there.
Posted by: BrainCramp

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/18/13 12:40 PM

As an adult piano learner, I have one to add to the teachers' list:

1. Whatever the student/parent says/doesn't say or does/doesn't do, don't take it personally.

Reading this forum, I think piano teachers let themselves get bent out of shape much too easily.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/18/13 03:29 PM

Originally Posted By: BrainCramp
As an adult piano learner, I have one to add to the teachers' list:

1. Whatever the student/parent says/doesn't say or does/doesn't do, don't take it personally.

Reading this forum, I think piano teachers let themselves get bent out of shape much too easily.
We are passionate about what we do, and emotional people by nature- thus why we are musicians. I would say about 80% of the stuff we post on here is to vent and learn how to work through, deal with, find solutions for, etc. And most of it the student or parents don't see or have to deal with. Everyone needs an outlet and a place where constructive criticism can be received to improve oneself. So please do not take this forum, which is intended and used as this purpose to mean that we're always losing our tempers, flying off the handle, taking everything personally, etc. It just means we want to do our best for each student. smile
Posted by: ezpiano.org

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/18/13 03:56 PM

Originally Posted By: M
We are passionate about what we do, and emotional people by nature- thus why we are musicians. I would say about 80% of the stuff we post on here is to vent and learn how to work through, deal with, find solutions for, etc. And most of it the student or parents don't see or have to deal with. Everyone needs an outlet and a place where constructive criticism can be received to improve oneself. So please do not take this forum, which is intended and used as this purpose to mean that we're always losing our tempers, flying off the handle, taking everything personally, etc. It just means we want to do our best for each student.


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Please, if your suggestions or advice cannot be constructive, please refrain yourself to post here. Thanks
Posted by: Peter K. Mose

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/18/13 04:04 PM

I find the concept of a comprehensive rules list for piano student behavior somewhere between laughable and distasteful.
Not a good way to build a teaching relationship.

There are no rules in my studio, except maybe to show up on time and with music.
Posted by: John v.d.Brook

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/18/13 04:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Peter K. Mose
I find the concept of a comprehensive rules list for piano student behavior somewhere between laughable and distasteful.
Not a good way to build a teaching relationship.

There are no rules in my studio, except maybe to show up on time and with music.




Peter, for the most part, I've been horrified by the various lists posted here. Is this really what teaching is about?
Posted by: Brinestone

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/18/13 05:09 PM

*shrug* There are lots of good ways to be a good teacher. I don't have rules, myself, and with a few exceptions, I haven't had problems with student behavior either. If having a list of rules helps someone, I don't see why they shouldn't use it. Horrified sounds a little harsh, don't you think? Lots of classrooms have lists of rules. Kids often thrive knowing exactly where their limits are. Quickly going over them doesn't take much time away from real teaching, and it might (that's might, not will) make a difference in student behavior.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/18/13 07:55 PM

If I have a student who is in need of specific boundaries (I don't at the moment), then having rules for that student that are fair, not too long, and they are reminded of regularly is a good strategy. I'm thinking of attention deficit and similar issues where having rules gives the child comfort so they can calm down a bit. Global rules I would only give if I were teaching a class, personally.
Posted by: keystring

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/18/13 08:14 PM

Among the suggestions, these are the ones that I find the most effective, which are excellent combined:

1) Follow directions the first time given
2) Be prepared for each lesson (AZNpiano)

Sit quietly
Eyes on
Listen
Hands down (Joycedup1)

AZN's first rule tells the student what to do in the studio, and the second rule tells the student what to do at home. What Joycedup1 writes gives us an example of directions that can be followed, because they are simple, short, concrete and direct. If the student has "hands down" and listens, then he will hear the instruction, and can then follow them.
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The first list in the OP is full of negatives, vague, confusing, and hard to follow. If told "Don't think of pink elephants." you can't stop thinking of them. What TO do is always more effective. "Whine", "rude", "defensive", "respect", "perfectionist", "attitude" "be open" are all abstract things, and some such as anti-perfectionism are confusing.

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What can the teacher do? (A question that was asked) If we take the top list, if you want to be followed, then make sure you can be followed. Are your instructions clear, easy to understand, and short enough? Do you give too much information in one longish lecture that can't be retained? If your student doesn't understand, is he free to let you know? If you want him to come to lessons prepared, does he know what to practice, and how to practice it? That's preventive. I also agree both with AZN's rule setting and consequences, and Morodiene's supportiveness.




Posted by: TimR

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/18/13 08:22 PM

Originally Posted By: keystring
Do you give too much information in one longish lecture that can't be retained?

That's probably the most common mistake I see with teachers of any subject, not just music. They keep talking after the point is made, and lose the student.

That would be negated if they were really paying attention to the student and what he/she is taking in. But often when you're talking you're listening to yourself, rather than the other person.
Posted by: ezpiano.org

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/18/13 08:32 PM

Originally Posted By: KS
The first list in the OP is full of negatives, vague, confusing, and hard to follow.


When I came out with my first list, to be honest, I have more than 100 of them. I still did not share my whole list. I will be embarrassed to share the whole list with you and believe me, it is a very laughable one. I was brainstorming what I want to include in studio policy.

I think to play safe, I can include ten in my list for studio policy and only two main one during lesson time (following direction first time given, and be prepared for lesson)

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What would you include in your list if you have ten things to say in your studio policy regards student's attitude?
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For the two main points:
1. Follow direction first time given
2. Prepared for lesson

I will type it out and laminate to put on wall for these two points.

Wow, thank you folks for so helping!
Posted by: John v.d.Brook

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/18/13 08:51 PM

Telling people what not to do has proven relatively ineffective. However, explaining why we don't do something often helps. For example, on occasions a student will come to their lessons chonking on a humongous wad of gum. I will make a passing comment that musicians don't chew gum, not only because it looks ridiculous, but when we get excited about our music, we often hold our breath, then gasp for air. With something in our mouth, choking often occurs. And I really don't want to call 911 and send them off to the hospital (or worse). Students are fairly bright and usually get the point without further ado.
Posted by: AZNpiano

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/19/13 05:43 AM

Originally Posted By: MaggieGirl
Public school. There is nothing objectionable with any of the code. They say it after the pledge (which is more objectionable since it mentions G-d). Why would a recitation be surprising? Her teacher works on character, the class is a family -we may not "like each other all the time" but since we are family we respect each other as well as social skills in addition to academics, physical education and music.

Of course there's nothing objectionable with the code, but it's the source of the code that's somewhat dubious, and to shove them down every kid's throat every morning as if they were The Ten Commandments is a little disconcerting.
Posted by: AZNpiano

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/19/13 05:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Peter K. Mose
I find the concept of a comprehensive rules list for piano student behavior somewhere between laughable and distasteful.

A laundry list of rules might not be effective or even mildly desirable, but I wouldn't characterize it as "laughable and distasteful." That's condescending toward the teacher.

Peter--I'm surprised by your word choice, considering how long you've been teaching!
Posted by: MaggieGirl

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/20/13 01:06 PM

I suppose you would have to see it in action. The class is really a family. All different ethnicities, backgrounds, cultural differences and perspectives, economically different, kids without parents, with single parents, and 2 parent families. The code is an equalizer and I think of it as a bucket filler. A child might not feel one or more of those items, but saying it daily might help them begin to believe they are all of those qualities.

But for a piano teacher they see 30 minutes a day, maybe something shorter -

I am prepared to learn.

Then the teacher can write notes like, Johnny was not prepared to learn. He did not practice efficiently this week so in class we could only review. Next week Johnny needs to be prepared to learn.

Johnny was not prepared to learn. In class he was disrespectful. Please talk to Johnny about arriving prepared to learn next week.

Johnny was prepared to learn this week. He passed 2 pieces and earned a new piece. Way to go!
Posted by: Peter K. Mose

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/20/13 02:30 PM

How about if the teacher writes in Johnny's notebook...

"I'm sorry that I was not prepared to teach Johnny effectively today. I will strive to reach him better next week, since he's a good guy who wants to soak up music."
Posted by: MaggieGirl

Re: Students' attitude list?? - 05/20/13 03:14 PM

That works too! laugh