Fujan tuning lever

Posted by: Polka

Fujan tuning lever - 02/10/07 05:59 PM

Hi all,

A lot of people are talking about Fujan tuning lever. I wonder where you can buy it. I didn't see it in the catalog from 2 of my regular supply houses.

Thanks
Posted by: Grandpianoman

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 02/10/07 08:42 PM

http://www.fujanproducts.com/
Posted by: Polka

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 02/11/07 07:00 PM

Thanks, grandpianoman.

I didn't know Fujan is so pricy.
Maybe it's not for me, for now.
Posted by: RoyP

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 02/11/07 07:14 PM

I was thinking of buying one, but I already have 4 hammers, so it's hard to justify. I probabaly will though. \:\) Usually I keep one in the shop, one stashed in the car(in case I ever forget my tool bag. Don't laugh, it happens), one in the truck, and one that I carry around. Remember, you can never have too many tools.... That's what I keep telling my wife.
Posted by: LisztAddict

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 02/11/07 11:31 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by RoyP:
... you can never have too many tools....[/b]
Very true \:D
Posted by: Mark Purney

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 02/20/07 05:09 PM

:p


Posted by: Anne Francis

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 02/20/07 05:16 PM

Mark, my boss's new Fujan looks identical to yours.

You lucky duck. I want one! I'm saving up.
Posted by: accordeur

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 02/21/07 09:11 AM

I had the aluminum, loved it. Bought the carbon fiber, love it even more. I'll never go back to a regular hammer. Extra extensions are great also. The lever costs about the price of 4 tunings, so to me that's not that expensive.
Posted by: Dave Lotek

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 02/21/07 09:53 AM

I'm planning to purchase one too. I emailed Steve to see if I could get one with a screw top so I can store a tuning fork and mutes inside.
Posted by: accordeur

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 02/21/07 10:06 AM

The handle and head are both screw tops, but there is not as much room in there as the aluminum, I think your fork and mutes would just get stuck in there.
Posted by: Roy123

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 02/21/07 12:32 PM

Just out of curiosity, what's the OD of the graphite shaft?
Posted by: accordeur

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 02/21/07 12:53 PM

I guess you mean outside diameter? If so it's exactly 1.175 inches.
Posted by: RoyP

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 02/21/07 10:29 PM

My Fujan arrived today. It looks great. I'll take it out for a test drive tomorrow.

Really, this is one area where I think that we as technicians should splurge and get the best tuning hammer we can possibly buy. There is no tool that is in our hands more, or will make more of a difference in our daily lives. In comparison to how much use it will get, the cost is pretty small.
Posted by: Les Koltvedt

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 02/22/07 10:54 AM

Mark Purney... does that carry case come with the hammer? THey don't show it on the web site... only a tan leather one, kinda looks like a bow quiver.
Posted by: MDM

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 02/22/07 01:03 PM

Mark Purney... does that carry case come with the hammer? They don't show it on the web site... only a tan leather one, kinda looks like a bow quiver.

If not, where do you buy it from? How much?
Posted by: Jim Frazee

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 02/22/07 06:40 PM

The tan leather case Steve sells is absolutely perfect - compartmentalized inside to hold another tube. And, soft? As I told Steve, some days I'd like to sleep in there! Mark's case is actually a knife case, I think, but I forget where he got it . . . Get a Fujan carbon fiber - best hammer money can buy, period, end of story.
Posted by: RoyP

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 02/23/07 09:05 AM

I put the Fujan through the paces yesterday, and am really impressed so far. The thing that suprised me was how much I liked the weight. I knew it wouldn't be as heavy, but I didn't think that it would make much of a difference. It really made it easier to tune quickly. Also, something about the shape of the head and tip made it easier for me to move from note to note. Maybe part of that is the weight and balance of it. I had a long day yesterday, with too much to do... A couple of concert tunings, and then three other grands that were off pitch and need to be tuned twice. Also, a couple of hundred miles of driving total. It would have been much more difficult to get it all done with my regular hammer. I am very happy with this purchase.
Posted by: Mark Purney

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 02/26/07 10:27 AM

Yes, the case I bought is a padded knife case:
http://www.maxpedition.com/product/product_case_r14.htm

I didn't realize Steve's carrying quiver was leather, or I may have been more inclined to try that one first. It almost looks like fabric in the photo.
Posted by: Hongzhi Mo

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/15/07 04:07 AM

After so many comments, and gives myself a cooling down period of 2 month, I cannot resist myself to put an order today, although I have already have a watanabe hammer (an immovable, 2# tip, which i bought it as the cheapest watanabe), and only tune no more than three pianos per month...
Posted by: R Barber

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/15/07 05:24 AM

I think I want one too now. Don't tell my wife.
Posted by: Hongzhi Mo

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/15/07 06:41 AM

Now it really bothered me by the old watanabe hammer, for the feeling of the first half steel, and second half wood handle is too soft by fine tuning with tunelab.

Hope the fujan can help, waiting the parcel...
:-)
Posted by: Let the Piano Play

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/15/07 09:34 PM

Hello Everybody,

Anybody that's already use the Fujan Tuning Lever, do you need any additional parts than the default package? I am thinking to get one, its quite pricey for my situation, but I think I should get it anyway. If the default package get the most job done, then I will only get this package, but if I need more parts, then anybody could recommend me which one should I get? Thank you.

Bernard Soetarman
Piano Technician
Posted by: RoyP

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/15/07 11:09 PM

I bought the standard package, with the shortest shaft. 15 degree angle, and the 1" #2 tip. No extension tip or anything. It has worked fine on all the pianos I have tuned since. This is really a nice tool.
Posted by: Hongzhi Mo

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/16/07 02:46 AM

I do also choose the standard package with 13 inch overall length.
Posted by: Let the Piano Play

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/16/07 08:14 AM

Hello Roy,

Do you work more on upright or grand, or both?
Thank you.

Bernard Soetarman
Piano Technician
Posted by: Hongzhi Mo

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/16/07 09:02 AM

I put an inquiry before decided, and Steve replied as follow, cause I cannot find such description on his website, hopefully what he replied will also give us some idea.


Subject: Re: EMAILER: common hammer?
The most popular configuration is the default choices on the website, which is the 15 degree head, the 13" overall length, and the #2 tip. This works well for the majority of my customers. Some customers choose to add the 5/8" tip extension for more strut clearance.

The 5 degree head is preferred by some, but most likely would require the 5/8" tip extension for general use. The advantage of less head angle is that the knob end of the lever is closer to the plane of the pin block. This causes less prying effect (flagpoling) on the tuning pin. Less prying effect reduces friction and increases control. The disadvantage is that the tip extension (or long tip) adds weight at the head of the lever.

Thank you for inquiring.

Best Regards,
Steve Fujan
Posted by: Let the Piano Play

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/21/07 11:33 PM

Hongzhi Mo,

Have you receive the tuning lever? Let me know how it goes ...

I just wanna be more convinced before I put an order.

Now, I am using Schaff Rosewood Premium Tuning Lever and I cut the rod by about 1 inch and I position the tuning tip very close and touching the lever and never extended. It reduce the flex so much and I actually felt no flex.

I think it's time to get a better tuning lever if there is any on the market. My Shaff tuning lever is still in a perfect shape and I like it so much, but I never really try any other tuning lever other than the cheapest tuning lever from shaff, student tuning lever, I think and this lever drove me crazy because it flex so much.

A lot of piano tuner talk about this Fujan tuning lever and everybody seems very happy with this product.

Any body could tell me more about Fujan Tuning Experiences?

Bernard Soetarman
Piano Technician
Posted by: Hongzhi Mo

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/22/07 03:44 AM

Yes yes, I got it yesterday, and tried it on my piano ASAP I opened the parcel. After 5 minutes to 'break in'-which I mean to get used to its shape - it moves from tip to tip really faster than ever. And really stiff and light. No more over tuning by a heavier hammer will be. More power, more tuning, and less power, less tuning. It is so easily be controled.

I imaged it as a faber carbon tennis racket, and it really feels like a faber carbon tennis racket.






Posted by: Anne Francis

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/22/07 01:41 PM

I finally ordered mine this week. I've used my boss's quite a bit in the shop. I also have the Huether-Saucier Wonder Wand, which is ok, but the Fujan is much better. It's like night and day. You can feel exactly where to put the pin, because there is no flex in the shaft. (You can't imagine the difference until you try it.) I still use the Wonder Wand at the treble end where there's not much clearance room on some grand pianos.

I also got TuneLab Pocket this week. I've been saving up for both of these and now feel that much closer to actually starting my business.
Posted by: Sam Casey

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/22/07 03:35 PM

I have a Hale, purchased 1975, #2 tip and I've used it for roughly 35,000 pianos and still do today. I tried out a Fujan a dealer friend had and just couldn't get along with it. Dynamics were completely different and I had difficult controlling it. Can't teach an old dog new tricks I guess.
Posted by: Pianoman1953

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/22/07 05:57 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Sam Casey:
I have a Hale, purchased 1975, #2 tip and I've used it for roughly 35,000 pianos and still do today. I tried out a Fujan a dealer friend had and just couldn't get along with it. Dynamics were completely different and I had difficult controlling it. Can't teach an old dog new tricks I guess. [/b]
Sam, just curious. How many #2 tips have you wore out tuning those 35,000 pianos. I'm on my 3rd tip in 15 years. One became very rounded and the other cracked while doing a warranty tuning.
Posted by: Let the Piano Play

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/22/07 06:48 PM

Anne,

On the treble side when there's not much clearance room, how about if you try to tune from the right side of the grand, so the tuning lever will pointed toward the back of the piano instead of the side. You have to stand up though. Hopefully you could use the Fujan for the whole piano. Let me know.

Bernard Soetarman
Piano Technician
Posted by: Sam Casey

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/22/07 07:34 PM

Good question Pianoman. It seems that the first tip lasted quite a while, or until some older tuner tried my hammer and said to try his Hale with a new tip. Revelation. Since then I've gone through several but I can't recall how many. Right after Schaff bought APSCO I bought several of their stock of remaining Hale tips and still have a few left. They don't seem to last as long.
Posted by: Mario Bruneau

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/22/07 09:07 PM

Hey Sam Casey,

Good to know some "old" tuners still use "old" stuff like APSCO! All my tuning parts are APSCO but then one day, I had to change some tips and heads then the trouble started! Since Schaff bought APSCO (American Piano Supply Co)and Hale is supposed to be the same as the two above mentioned, how do you go around switching between brand names. I mean, since I started changing the tips and some heads from different companies, the tread don't fit perfectly and it breaks very fast. Couldn't they stick with one same standarized tread?

Also I really hate the Hale tips. They just don't seem to "grab" the tuning pins like the APSCO does. For me, it is rubbish! What the other techs buy today? Is it even possible to fit the today tips over some APSCO "old" parts? I am planning to order one Charles Faulk tuning hammer with a custom ball handle but I don't want to trow away all my other tuning heads and tips.

Please tell me what to do.
Posted by: Sam Casey

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/22/07 10:12 PM

I don't have a clue Mario. I know someday I'll have to face the tip issue and hope I'll have a solution. I guess I'll find a suitable quality tip and have the head rethreaded to match. My Hale hammer is light, nylon and polished slick from use.
Posted by: Let the Piano Play

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/22/07 11:12 PM

Hongzhi Mo,

Do you think this tuning lever is worth for that price? Let me know.

Bernard Soetarman
Piano Technician
Posted by: Let the Piano Play

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/22/07 11:13 PM

Hongzhi Mo,

Do you think this tuning lever is worth for that price? Let me know.

Bernard Soetarman
Piano Technician
Posted by: Hongzhi Mo

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/23/07 12:16 AM

It depends on what you compared to.

If you compared to a low-end hammer, you will need a better hammer anyway.

If you compared to these hi-end hammers, fujan seems not that pricy than those hammers with tropic hardwood handles.


I still have one thing not sure, anybody could tell me, if it is safe to leave the fujan in the car during a hot summer noon.
Posted by: BDB

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/23/07 12:38 AM

I use a Schaff extension hammer with four tips. One is the shortest combination, for getting under bass desk slides, one is the next longer, for general use, one is the Fendon narrow tip which I need all too often, and the last is about 3" long for players and other pianos where stuff gets in the way. I lost one a long time ago, and have had two ever since. I stripped the threads on an extension rod once, but other than that, I have never worn anything out.

I try to have two of every tool I carry with me, just in case. I am very protective of my Deagan tuning fork. It is much better than my emergency backup fork. It has a much purer tone. The loss of Deagan was a terrible blow to the music world.
Posted by: ptuner

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/23/07 08:10 PM

Hongzhi,
good question. How fragile is the Fujan hammer (the carbon fiber handle)
Susceptible to heat, can it be dented or crushed easily?
I've had mine for a week and love it. I had to get accustom to two things 1. 'seeing' around the large head to guide to the next pin, but it's not a big deal. 2. the hammer has less mass than my steel ones. Some technique change later and i'm having a fun time using it. Smaller incremental pin movement with better string setting.
thanks Steve.... worthy product.
Posted by: Pianoman1953

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/23/07 08:47 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by ptuner:
Hongzhi,
good question. How fragile is the Fujan hammer (the carbon fiber handle)
Susceptible to heat, can it be dented or crushed easily?
I've had mine for a week and love it. I had to get accustom to two things 1. 'seeing' around the large head to guide to the next pin, but it's not a big deal. 2. the hammer has less mass than my steel ones. Some technique change later and i'm having a fun time using it. Smaller incremental pin movement with better string setting.
thanks Steve.... worthy product. [/b]
I just ordered one today as well. Looking forward to using it.
Posted by: Grandpianoman

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/24/07 02:27 AM

It's good to see most everyone on the Fujan bandwagon...I realized about a year ago that the Fujan hammer was superior in many ways, and posted then how good I thought it was \:D

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/3/1905.html#000000

I am not a pro-tuner, just like to tune my own piano. I also am using the older version. \:\)
Posted by: Hongzhi Mo

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/24/07 09:53 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by ptuner:
Hongzhi,
good question. How fragile is the Fujan hammer (the carbon fiber handle)
Susceptible to heat, can it be dented or crushed easily?
I've had mine for a week and love it. I had to get accustom to two things 1. 'seeing' around the large head to guide to the next pin, but it's not a big deal. 2. the hammer has less mass than my steel ones. Some technique change later and i'm having a fun time using it. Smaller incremental pin movement with better string setting.
thanks Steve.... worthy product. [/b]
Yahh. I understand not to put a tennis racket in the car in summer. I used to be a club level tennis player, and even I take care of my carben rackets carefully, I still have three of my rackets frame broken. If I happened to leave my rackets in an exposed mid-summer noon, I am sure I will break the string within one hour of game.

In the meanwhile, some of my friends, they just store their rackets in the car all the time, they donot play like pro, and their rackets seems can last 10 years, and even never break string.

The problem is now I get the fujan, and I hope I can use it for the next 50 years (then I will be 78), I had to be careful, because I like it so much.
Posted by: Hongzhi Mo

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/24/07 10:00 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by grandpianoman:


I am not a pro-tuner, just like to tune my own piano. I also am using the older version. \:\) [/b]
Me too, I just like to tune my own piano, and since last Sat. I got the fujan, I have tuned three pianos for mine and my friend's, it really makes tuning amazing.
Posted by: Hongzhi Mo

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/24/07 10:04 AM

Could anyone give me some idea, was it necessary to get 1# and 3# tip? It seems that most tuner only use 2# tip.

What's the difference between 1#,2# and 3# tip? difference in diameter or lean?
Posted by: Let the Piano Play

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/25/07 02:07 PM

HongZhi Mo,

#1, #2, #3 is the size of diameter and so far I am happy with #2.

Any clearance problems when you tune one the treble side of the grand?

Bernard Soetarman
Piano Techician
Posted by: Pianoman1953

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/25/07 02:34 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Let the Piano Play:
HongZhi Mo,

#1, #2, #3 is the size of diameter and so far I am happy with #2.

Any clearance problems when you tune one the treble side of the grand?

Bernard Soetarman
Piano Techician [/b]
I just move to the right side of the piano (if there's room). This way the lever will point towards the back of the piano.
Posted by: Let the Piano Play

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/25/07 02:54 PM

Pianoman,

I agree 100%, and that is what I always do.

Bernard Soetarman
Piano Technician
Posted by: Pianoman1953

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/27/07 10:44 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Let the Piano Play:
Pianoman,

I agree 100%, and that is what I always do.

Bernard Soetarman
Piano Technician [/b]
OK, what's the trick to using the Fujan lever? Do we maneuver it the same way as a conventional lever? Btw, does it come with "user instructions"? Tia
Posted by: ricliz

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/27/07 12:48 PM

Hi Everyone,

I've been following this thread as well as others on the Fujan lever for some time now trying to decide on a new hammer for myself. I've been using a Schaff Rosewood extenion hammer for to many years to mention & I know it weighs over a pound so just to put in my two cent, take a look at the Charles Faulk Original Titanium Tunning Hammer. Can be seen at www.faulkpiano.com This is the hammer I decided to buy. I received it this past Monday. Must have tuned 12 pianos since. All I can say is I love it! This is a REAL PIANO TUNER'S hammer. Mine only weighs 10.5 oz. There's no flex in the titanium shaft & as BDB, I use 4 different head & tip combinations. Makes it possible to tune just about any piano by changing heads quickly. The heads & tips can easily be purchased from any supply house at a very reasonable price. Also the best part is the difference in the price.
I saved WELL over $100.00 bucks and didn't have to buy any different heads or tips.
They also come in many types of exotic woods.

All I'm saying is there are other options out there that can get you to where your wanting to go with out reinventing the wheel and less pricey.

I hope this helps, not hurts in making your decision.........Good Hunting

Ric
Posted by: ricliz

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/27/07 12:51 PM

Da.......Thanks / link works now
Posted by: Les Koltvedt

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/27/07 01:43 PM

Take the period out after the "com"...
Posted by: Let the Piano Play

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/28/07 12:40 AM

I tried Jahn Tuning Hammer and it felt nice and solid, but I could not find the one I tried on this site. I tried at PTG at Betlehem couple years ago. The shape is different.

Bernard Soetarman
Piano Technician
Posted by: Mario Bruneau

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/28/07 10:00 PM

Hi Ricliz,

I prefer the Charles Faulk Titanium tuning hammer too. I will order one with a "ball" handle though. I don't need the extra rigidity of the "pear" handle. I don't ever grab the tuning hammer with the hand wide open like most tuner do. I rather go with "jerk" movements to instantly change the position of the tuning pin without bending it. So with the regular extension APSCO tuning hammer I'm using now, I always end up grabbing it at the end only, so for me the ball handle is much more comfortable.

I tried a WonderWand at Wendl&Lung in Vienna where I was doing a training. I liked it very much even though the shaft was NOT made out of titanium like the Charles Faulk but didn't mind the little flex and was so comfortable with the ball end handle. It was very short (9inches) and light (maybe 9 ounces)

Looking foward to order the Charles Faulk Titanium tuning hammer.
Posted by: ricliz

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/29/07 01:21 PM

Hi Mario,

I prefer the Charles Faulk Titanium tuning hammer too. I will order one with a "ball" handle though.[/b]

That's the lever I was speaking of. Mine has the ball handle. As like you, I always tend to use the end of my extension lever. With the ball, feel & control as well as the weight difference makes this an excellent tuning hammer.

I don't know if you have spoke with Charles yet but he's a complete pleasure to do buisness with. Honest & knowledgeable..

Enjoy...I know your going to be very surprised.

Ric
Posted by: Mario Bruneau

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/29/07 10:24 PM

Hi Ricliz

Really? You use a real ball handle like this one?



This one is a "cheap" WonderWan I tried in Vienna at Wendl&Lung. As you can see, it is really a ball handle and I like it soooo much!

I've communicate with Charles Faulk only by email and can confirm he sound like a real friend.

Looking foward to order my tuning hammer from him soon.

As for the tuning technique, I don't see often piano tuners who manipulate their tuning hammer the way we do, i.e. applying very small movements of the tuning pin by means of small "jerks" as opposed to "wrenching" or turning the tuning pins. I find this rather strange other tuners dont do it that way and sometimes I even think that I must be missing something! Although I can say I have one of the most stable tuning in the business in my area. I suppose I must know how to really "set" the tuning pins.
Posted by: ricliz

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 04/30/07 03:32 PM

Hi Mario.

No, thats not like the lever I ordered form Charles. By the term ball I was referring to the type that is on his website. www.faulkpiano.com It's the type with a wooden handle running a little bit more than half way up the shaft and has a ball or pear shaping at the end of the handle. You can see his entire collection by clicking on the link at the top of his page - The Original Titanium Tuning Hammer.

I hope this is the lever your considering. Now that I've tuned a few uprights with mine I know I made the right decision. Upright tuning has never been this easy, or should I say less difficult.

As far as our tuning styles being some what similar. Your correct but my tuning technique may vary for some pianos. The jerking method has been around for a long time. It was taught to me by my mentor at least 25 years ago. Thank God for him. God rest his soul.

Anyway, I'm sooo glad I bought the Charles Faulk lever. It gets better to me each time I use it.

Man...I need to get a life!!! It's just a tuning hammer.

Ric
Posted by: Mario Bruneau

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 05/04/07 11:01 PM

Hi Ricliz

I tough you where refering to the "pear" handle, not the "ball" handle. I still prefer the "ball" handle over the "pear" like Charles Faulk make them standard but I never had a chance to try them though!

You're right, lets get a life and forget about tuning hammers!!!

Or maybe at least, lets play the piano!

regards
Posted by: Hongzhi Mo

Re: Fujan tuning lever - 05/20/07 11:31 AM

Just come back for a long journey to Italy. Then the screen of my HP laptop fail, had it fixed and get it back. Two days ago got my first grand, a second hand yamaha G2. It is a hard job to find the perfect one for me from about 50 second hand grands.

Come back to fujan:

I now feels it is irreproachability on pins which in good condition. Escepially on these very sensitive pins, every touch can change the pitch, as far as tune lab can tell the difference. But on some unsensitive pins and strings, fujan dose the same job than a cheaper level.

For grands, till now I tuned three grands, yamaha G2, C3, kawai GM-30, yes, there is plearance problem while point to 3 o'clock position. Than I find 11-12 o'clock positon solves the problem. And I need to tuning stand-up for the treble side. It does not bothered my after I get used to it.

For the rest part, the level is excellent!
And the feeling to move it from pin to pin are so great.