Themed recital - the BIG ONE!

Posted by: wayne33yrs

Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 04:30 PM

I know this might sound premature, in the light that the Satie recital is yet to be performed. BUT, the next one is so mammath, we need to get it started now.

The theme; Felix Mendelssohn- Songs without words

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major

48 pieces in all, to be performed mid February 2013, please sign up and grab your chosen piece while you can!
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 04:59 PM

notice the edit? wink
Posted by: LadyChen

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 05:19 PM

Nice! It's exciting that the body of work is large enough that so many people can be involved.

I'm deciding between op. 30 no. 5 and op. 38 no. 6.
Posted by: timmyab

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 05:30 PM

I'll definitely do one of them if enough people sign up.Which one to choose though, they're all so gorgeous.Possibly 102 no4.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 06:12 PM

Love it! cheers guys wink
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 06:43 PM

Your scheduled performance date of mid February, 2013 will bump right up against the long-running and highly popular ABF Recital which is always scheduled for Feb. 15th (May, Aug., & Nov. 15th also) and which typically draw 50, 60 or more entries.

To space things out and avoid undue severe competition and insure a better chance for success you might want to consider a performance date about half way between any two ABF Recitals, say Apr. 1st, July 1st, etc.
Posted by: Peyton

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 07:14 PM

Yea, how about March?
Posted by: BeccaBb

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 07:31 PM

Bumping up the date is a good idea and gives someone like me a chance to recoup from Satie and consider one of these. smile

Any in the level 1 ish area? I don't know a single one of these so... I'll let one you knowledgeable people fill me in!
Posted by: CebuKid

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 07:41 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs

48 pieces in all, to be performed mid February 2013, please sign up and grab your chosen piece while you can!


I agree with your date and am glad that you are trying to "shake things up." smile

That would be so fun if 48 of us agreed to play 1 of the pieces each....lol.

But...so many factors stopping this from happening..among the few - different playing levels and abilities, not everyone likes to play classical, etc....if enough people sign on, count me in!! I'll need to decide now, because I'm an extremely slow learner and need to start now...lol.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 08:31 PM

I'll take Op 38 #6 - the duetto.

Here's a list of the difficulties from a old thread that we had. Grades are indicated at the end of each line, with the source of the grade in parentheses. The sources:
• ABRSM: American Board (United States)
• RCM: Royal Conservatory of Music (Canada)
• BC: British Columbia Conservatory of Music (Canada)
• PDF: PianoWorld PDF file of unknown origin

Op. 19 (1829-1830)
• 1 Andante con moto in E major #8(PDF) #9(BC)
• 2 Andante espressivo in A minor #6(PDF)
• 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major ("Hunting Song") #7(PDF)
• 4 Moderato in A major #6(PDF) #6(BC)
• 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor #8(PDF)
• 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor ("Venezianisches Gondellied" [Venetian Boat Song] No. 1) #6(PDF)

Op. 30 (1833-1834)
• 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major #7(PDF)
• 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor #7(PDF)
• 3 Adagio non troppo in E major #5(PDF) #7(BC)
• 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor #8(PDF)
• 5 Andante grazioso in D major #8(PDF) #10(BC)
• 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor ("Venezianisches Gondellied" or Venetian Boat Song No. 2) #6(PDF) #7(BC)

Op. 38 (1836-1837)
• 1 Con moto in E-flat major #8(PDF)
• 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor #8(PDF) #9(BC) #10(BC)
• 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major #8(PDF)
• 4 Andante in A major #6(PDF)
• 5 Agitato in A minor #8(PDF)
• 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major ("Duetto") #8(PDF) #9(BC)

Op. 53 (1839-1841)
• 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major #7(PDF)
• 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major #6(PDF)
• 3 Presto agitato in G minor #7(PDF)
• 4 Adagio in F major #6(PDF)
• 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor ("Volkslied") #6(PDF)
• 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major #8(PDF)

Op. 62 (1842-1844)
• 1 Andante espressivo in G major #6(PDF) #7(ABRSM)
• 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major #6(PDF)
• 3 Andante maestoso in E minor ("Trauermarsch") #6(PDF)
• 4 Allegro con anima in G major #6(PDF)
• 5 Andante con moto in A minor ("Venezianisches Gondellied" or Venetian Boat Song No. 3) #7(PDF)
• 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major ("Frühlingslied" or "Spring Song") #7(PDF)

Op. 67 (1843-1845)
• 1 Andante in E-flat major #7(PDF)
• 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor #7(PDF)
• 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major #6(PDF)
• 4 Presto in C major ("Spinnerlied") #8(PDF) #10(BC)
• 5 Moderato in B minor #6(PDF)
• 6 Allegro non troppo in E major #7(PDF)

Op. 85 (1834-1845)
• 1 Andante espressivo in F major #6(PDF) #9(BC)
• 2 Allegro agitato in A minor #6(PDF)
• 3 Presto in E-flat major #7(PDF)
• 4 Andante sostenuto in D major #7(PDF)
• 5 Allegretto in A major #6(PDF)
• 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major #7(PDF)

Op. 102 (1842-1845)
• 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor #8(PDF)
• 2 Adagio in D major #6(PDF)
• 3 Presto in C major #7(PDF) #9(BC)
• 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor #6(PDF) #10(BC)
• 5 Allegro vivace in A major ("Kinderstück") #6(PDF)
• 6 Andante in C major #5(PDF)

Sam
Posted by: timmyab

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 08:31 PM

Originally Posted By: BeccaBb

Any in the level 1 ish area?

There's nothing terribly easy.They're probably from about grade five upwards I would think.You could try op30 no3 or maybe op19 no6.
Posted by: BeccaBb

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 08:45 PM

LMAO okay nevermind. smile I'll wait a few years. wink
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 08:51 PM

TJ, I am sure wayne will work with folk on a better date if you fear competition, but there was no need for suggesting April 1st , thats just out of order.
Posted by: LadyChen

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 09:01 PM

Uh oh, I was too slow and Sam S beat me to it. I'll take op. 30 no. 5 before anyone grabs it first!
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 09:06 PM

opus 38 no.2 for old rossy.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 09:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
TJ, I am sure wayne will work with folk on a better date if you fear competition, but there was no need for suggesting April 1st , thats just out of order.


No fooling - just the strangest of coincidences, I assure you...
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 09:50 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs

The theme; Felix Mendelssohn- Songs without words

...

48 pieces in all, to be performed mid February 2013, please sign up and grab your chosen piece while you can!


Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)

No. 6 Andante in C major

... please and thank you
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 10:07 PM

Only joking TJ, couldnt resist with april fools day an all!

anyways, come on tj how about you?

This is different from the "usual" abf recitals, for a few reasons, one of them being in the "regular" abf recitals folk choose anything they want to play, this is very different, it is themed and also some times folk get whats left, which isnt necesarily what they would have chosen to play...

hence the extra work, it may take folk out of their comfort zone, BUT, that is a shared workload and everyone helps each other be it through Pms on technical advice or just support through the thread.

What do we achieve? Many things not least is a greater knowledge of the scores, through shared study and help, but also a deeper understanding of where the particular composer is "coming from" furthering our understanding and knowledge of that composer.

Furthermore we become a "team" or further strengthen the ABF "community" this is no trivial accomplishment, as many folks are isolated in their home at their piano/dp and laptop.

Some folk have no outside interaction with other musicians, and struggle on without teachers, being part of a team effort, online, on the piano which is their main love, and interacting with like minded folk can be very helpful and raise the bar some , a step forward even.

This will be brilliant and totally doable, no ones expecting top notch allegedly flawless performances, but there will be some is my guess....

What a magic thing to be involved with.....


Here is all 48 songs without words in one video, there are six pieces in each opus, and if you need help finding where your chosen piece is just ask, should you not want to listen to all two hours....

OR, you may want to listen to all of them to help choose a piece....

Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 10:53 PM

Hi folks1

I'm going to do opus 19 no 1
Posted by: MaryAnn

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 11:02 PM

nevermind. I'm pretty sure they are all out of my range...
Posted by: LadyChen

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/15/12 11:20 PM

Originally Posted By: LadyChen
Uh oh, I was too slow and Sam S beat me to it. I'll take op. 30 no. 5 before anyone grabs it first!


There are too many good ones! I changed my mind -- I want op. 102, No. 4.
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 12:15 AM

I think a themed recital is a great idea every now and then. I participated in the Chopin themed recital a while back and it was a lot of fun. Very well run too.

My only concern is the same it has always been and that is not too dilute the quarterly recitals. At least too much.

Not only do we have the quarterly recitals but there are also members performances to watch/listen too in the monthly piano bar as well as seasonal performance-based threads like the holiday performances thread around X-mas time.

Personally, I would like to see even more ways to perform and these themed recitals is a great way to do it. I just wouldn't want a recital popping up every week to the point they are not special any more. The quarterly recitals mean too much for too many people for too many reasons to screw with. At least too much!

Every now and then, you bet. I also agree with Trapper and others about keeping the date a bit separated from the other recital dates.

Also, while hearing a wide diversity of pieces is great, I wouldn't limit any one piece to just one performer. I love hearing different peoples interpretations of the same piece and since this is really a learning environment, why limit....anything? There will still be lots of diversity either way so if two people want to perform the same piece, I say let them both at it.
Posted by: Bobpickle

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 02:16 AM

thanks for the post, Rost. I'll listen through the sets as much as I'm able and if something really draws me in that isn't taken, I may sign up.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 02:34 AM

These pieces are beyond my level - but I will enjoy listening to them.

I would agree with the suggestion to distance the Themed recital from the ABF recital - not only for those who might want to perform in both, but for those who really want to listen to all the pieces and give feedback.

I feel that the hard work of the performers deserves individual feedback, and if there are 50, 60 or 70 ABF recital performers plus 30 some here....well, that's a bit much all at once.

I love this idea,it is great fun, and a super way to bring members of the community together. I hope that somewhere along the line I'll be up for joining in!
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 02:38 AM

Op 102 #2 for me please
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 07:29 AM

Wow, these are going like hot-cakes lol. I totally agree with Rossy, this is so much different from the ABF quartely recitals, and will be so rewarding for each and everyone taking part. A real team effort bringing us all closer together as a group, smile

As for the performance date, it's totally flexible, and agree that we will make sure that it doesn't coincide with ABF QR wink

MaryAnne, BeccaBb and Casinitaly, I'm sure there's a piece amongst this lot with your name on it, I'll look into this and get back to you. Anyways, not much time as I've gotta go to work, here's the revision,

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - AimeeO

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 07:41 AM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs

As for the performance date, it's totally flexible, and agree that we will make sure that it doesn't coincide with ABF QR wink


Yes, it needs to be a month after the ABF recital. That would be March 15, April 15, Sep 15, Dec 15, for example. There is nothing to be gained by competing with the ABF recital.

And the Mendelssohn Songs Without Words are not trivial pieces. There are no easy ones.

Here is a link to the old thread that we had - some good info there:
Mendelssohn Appreciation Thread

Sam
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 07:50 AM

I would have to work on one with my teacher as one of my assigned pieces because they are all too much for me just to "pick up on the side." And I can't see that happening in the next few months so I'll have to sit this out.

Is this cross-posted to Pianists Corner? Likely that folks who hang around there are better able to pick up pieces like this quickly.
Posted by: Rupak Bhattacharya

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 08:08 AM

Nobody should even think of picking op. 85 no. 4 (Elegy), IT'S MINE laugh
(I've already lost op. 19 no. 6 because I decided to pick it up in my mind and AimeeO 'decided it loud' to take it laugh )
Posted by: timmyab

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 08:47 AM

Ok, as there's quite a bit of interest I'd better choose one before all my favorites are gone.I'll do op67 no1.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 09:16 AM

- have we run out of the Andantes yet?

I might have a crack at 38-6 if it's still going...

(if I come unstuck, perhaps I can trade it?)
Posted by: griffin2417

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 10:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Andy Platt
I would have to work on one with my teacher as one of my assigned pieces because they are all too much for me just to "pick up on the side." And I can't see that happening in the next few months so I'll have to sit this out.


+1. Ditto! I'm already committed to working on some pieces with my teacher at this level. I am putting in a lot of time to those, and can't squeeze more in for such a short period of time.

I'm enjoying listening to the pieces Rossy posted, however! They're beautiful, and I'm looking forward to hearing the recital! smile

Posted by: LadyChen

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 10:43 AM

Wayne33yrs -- sorry, you probably missed my second (third?) post where i changed my mind. I'll take op. 102, No. 4. smile.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 12:05 PM

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - AimeeO

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - Wayne33yrs

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener

Did I miss a post by AimeeO? Dire tonic, there's still loads left, but SamS has taken 38 - 6, I haven't even had time to pick one yet smile Better get my skates on!

Rossy, do you have the book in PDF?
Posted by: Rupak Bhattacharya

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 12:19 PM

Wayne, Here (go down to see her post) is AimeeO's post where she decided to "dust off" op. 19 no. 6 laugh
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 12:22 PM

Ah I see, thnx Rupak smile
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 12:24 PM


Wow, Rupak, you have an impressive memory. You're right; Op 19 No 6 is for Aimee.
Posted by: timmyab

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 12:26 PM

op 67 no1 Wayne, not op 62.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 12:27 PM

ah, 38-6 was already taken... back to the drawing board...
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 12:28 PM

Fixed, you guy's will have to keep an eye on me lol, things are going fast and furious, I can only just keep up wink
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 05:12 PM

Like I said in the other thread, I might choose another one if we have more time (like late Marchish/Aprilish.) February is bad for me to have new things ready.
Posted by: LadyChen

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 05:20 PM

We can choose more than one?
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 06:13 PM

That I don't know, Lady Chen. I meant to say I would give up 19-6 in favor of something scary and unknown to me if the deadline was a month or so after the middle of February smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 06:54 PM

Originally Posted By: LadyChen
We can choose more than one?


will get back to you on that lol smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/16/12 07:09 PM

consider the deadline extended AimeeO xxx
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 06:33 AM

I'll go for 85-2
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 11:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky

This is different from the "usual" abf recitals, for a few reasons, one of them being in the "regular" abf recitals folk choose anything they want to play, this is very different, it is themed ...

BUT, that is a shared workload and everyone helps each other be it through Pms on technical advice or just support through the thread.

What do we achieve? Many things not least is a greater knowledge of the scores, through shared study and help, but also a deeper understanding of where the particular composer is "coming from" furthering our understanding and knowledge of that composer.


Question: Is this the thread for this dialogue? I understand we are still early on in the sign up, but I'm already working on my piece and already have questions. Plus, I am interested in the challenges that other participants may be having and of better understanding of their pieces as well.

What you said, Rossy about understanding more about the composer and these compositions (not just the one of immediate focus) is appealing to me in progressing my understanding and learning overall. Who knows, may even decide to learn others as well through a better appreciation of same.

So, are you ready for my questions, and is this the place you want them? They are likely pretty lame, but as above, also interested about insight and challenges that may arise, with other participants and compositions in this thread.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 12:23 PM

Dire tonic - added, thnx smile

Greener, I'd fire away wink

Has everyone got the complete book?
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 12:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Greener

Question: Is this the thread for this dialogue?


I would say yes, put the questions here. I don't read the "RST serious" thread often (or at all...).

Sam
Posted by: BeccaBb

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 01:04 PM

Definitely you can discuss the piece your working on here. smile If you look at our other Themed Recital threads, we use them for encouragement and questions. smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 03:39 PM

Ok, I need help already lol.....

Trills, I've never played 'em, and I've picked Op.30 No.6 with Trills in it. (why do I do this lol)

In the score, it just shows ONE note with the trill line above it. Do I use the note below or above? A full note below/above or half?

Your help would be much appreciated. smile
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 03:51 PM

In MM32-34 the trill is D and C. It's a full tone above.
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 03:57 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Ok, I need help already lol.....

Trills, I've never played 'em, and I've picked Op.30 No.6 with Trills in it. (why do I do this lol)

In the score, it just shows ONE note with the trill line above it. Do I us the note below or above? A full note below/above or half?

Your help would be much appreciated. smile


Trills were just changing around the time Mendellsohn was composing from always starting on the note above the main note to starting on the main note; but they are always with the note and the one above in the given scale unless indicated with an accidental. Listen to some recordings and see what you like. Both are acceptable.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 03:58 PM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
In MM32-34 the trill is D and C. It's a full tone above.



Barenboim plays a semitone up for both trills....

(op 30 - 6, first trill @ 1.12)
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 04:13 PM

Oops! Actually it's three sharps, so it would be D, C sharp.

Sorry.
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 04:55 PM

Op 102 No. 6

Couple of questions about the score;

In several places I see a '.' below or above the eighth notes. Does this mean to play staccato? That is what I thought. But, when I listen to a recording, it only sounds staccato in one instance and not others. So, not sure what is up with that.

Also, just so I am straight on these ...

Funky f = Forte

Funky p = Piano

mF = moderate forte ?

sF = ???

dim., dimin. = Diminuendo

cresc. = Crescendo

That's all for now. Of course I can google all of this, but would rather ask here and have all answers in repository.



Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 05:36 PM

F = Forte, loud
P = piano, soft
mF = mezzo forte, medium
sF = sforzando, sudden and sharp loud for that chord/note

dim and cresc. you have.

The staccato dots under a slur in M2 are a soft rather sharp staccato.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Greener
Op 102 No. 6

Couple of questions about the score;

In several places I see a '.' below or above the eighth notes. Does this mean to play staccato? That is what I thought. But, when I listen to a recording, it only sounds staccato in one instance and not others. So, not sure what is up with that.

Also, just so I am straight on these ...

Funky f = Forte

Funky p = Piano

mF = moderate forte ?

sF = ???

dim., dimin. = Diminuendo

cresc. = Crescendo

That's all for now. Of course I can google all of this, but would rather ask here and have all answers in repository.



It's all as you've listed. mf is mezzo forte but means moderate, as you have it, between p and f.

sf = sforzando = accented.

Yes, the dots above and below indicate stacatto but, depending on the piece, there's sometimes license to do your own thing. Where possible, check out the various maestros to see how they compare, sometimes there'll be wide variation.
Posted by: BeccaBb

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 05:45 PM

How do you figure out the difference between a soft and a sharp stacatto?
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 05:59 PM

thanks.

So, if staccato dots are under a slur it always means soft rather than sharp staccato?

I have plenty of staccato to deal with in this piece, so just want to make sure I fully understand and know how to treat them.

M6, M7, M10, M12-14, M16, M19-24, M26-27, M29-31

Also, now that you mention it, what is the purpose of a slur notation? Should I be able to hear a difference of the same eighth notes with slur vs. without? Could this help me with with pedal indications? I doubt it, since the slurs are often independent in bass and treble clef.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 06:06 PM

Originally Posted By: BeccaBb
How do you figure out the difference between a soft and a sharp stacatto?

Figure out? Soft staccato is not lifting the fingers "as soon" as the note sounds but clearly before the next note. Disjointed or non-legato.
Posted by: BeccaBb

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 06:12 PM

Ah I see. I can figure out what that is. However I don't understand how you would know if you need to play a sharp or a soft? Is that something you would know of because of the slur? Or the artist?
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 06:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Greener
So, if staccato dots are under a slur it always means soft rather than sharp staccato?

Also, now that you mention it, what is the purpose of a slur notation? Should I be able to hear a difference of the same eighth notes with slur vs. without? Could this help me with with pedal indications? I doubt it, since the slurs are often independent in bass and treble clef.

The context of the piece should guide you as to how sharp the staccato might be.

In measure 2 the slur means the notes aren't too disjointed. In speech you might separate words to point them such as, "Don't. Brake. And. Steer!", but they're still meant as a unit.

The purpose of a slur is to keep the notes together as a unit.

Could you tell the difference? Yes, but it might be very subtle.

Could it help with pedal indications? That's the subject of an essay. It can influence your decision as to whether pedal should be used. You can use pedal and still play staccato. It does sound different because of the changing attack on the next note.

Whenever it comes to pedal I believe only your ears and your good taste can determine the correct approach.

And no matter how much you respect the composer, his work is done and yours is still to do. You must decide what he intended - whatever else is in the score whether by his hand or that of an editor - and you must decide how much of that you'll follow.

Whatever Wanda Landowska may say ("You play Bach your way and I'll play him his!") you must always play your way. Honesty is the best policy. Say it, believe it and mean it.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 06:32 PM

Originally Posted By: BeccaBb
Ah I see. I can figure out what that is. However I don't understand how you would know if you need to play a sharp or a soft? Is that something you would know of because of the slur? Or the artist?

There isn't a simple answer. The best way is to get to know the piece, understand what the composer is trying to say, decide what you think is the best way to say that. Try a variety of ways and listen hard.

There's finger staccato, wrist staccato, arm staccato, soft staccato, crisp staccato, ....

Mendelssohn writes well for fairy music using a "light" staccato, but every piece is different.
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 06:59 PM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90

And no matter how much you respect the composer, his work is done and yours is still to do. You must decide what he intended - whatever else is in the score whether by his hand or that of an editor - and you must decide how much of that you'll follow.

Whatever Wanda Landowska may say ("You play Bach your way and I'll play him his!") you must always play your way. Honesty is the best policy. Say it, believe it and mean it.


Love it. But also great to have your full support. I sense a very unique arrangement comin' up. smile

I really love the harmonies in this but already straying on the timing a bit, by nature with some of the changes. I will try to contain it though with reason and put my best, honest foot forward.

thanks for your help
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 07:16 PM

Don't stray on the timing bit. I know you don't use a metronome but get the timing rock solid below tempo. That way you stay in control. As you come up to tempo let the music decide where it needs subtle alteration but know what it's altering from. You must stay in control and be ABLE to stay in tempo.

Posted by: BeccaBb

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 07:53 PM

Thanks for your answer Richard! I had no idea there were so many stacatto's! I've learned a lot today. smile
Posted by: Bobpickle

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/17/12 10:18 PM

I've got a couple favorites after one run-through of the sets. After one more, hopefully I'll have a feasible choice
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/18/12 12:35 AM

I have decided to do 30-3 instead of 19-6. I will be brave and learn something new. eek
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/18/12 03:55 AM

Thanks for the help guys, I'll catch up later when I get back from work, here's the revision;

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - Wayne33yrs

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/18/12 04:00 AM

Wayne, I see you've already edited the list. Thanks!
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/18/12 04:10 AM

There is a playlist on Youtube with all these songs, whose videos show the music scores of every piece. I find this playlist very helpful.

Here’s the link.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDF65C522375E620C&feature=plcp
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/18/12 02:46 PM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90

Whatever Wanda Landowska may say ("You play Bach your way and I'll play him his!") you must always play your way. Honesty is the best policy. Say it, believe it and mean it.


smile

Originally Posted By: Recaredo
There is a playlist on Youtube with all these songs, whose videos show the music scores of every piece. I find this playlist very helpful.

Here’s the link.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDF65C522375E620C&feature=plcp


Cheers Recaredo, wink

Originally Posted By: Bobpickle
I've got a couple favorites after one run-through of the sets. After one more, hopefully I'll have a feasible choice


That's great smile
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/18/12 07:10 PM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90

I know you don't use a metronome but get the timing rock solid below tempo.


I'm not opposed to trying out a metronome. Actually, now that you mention it, I believe this is precisely what I need to do. Particularly for Bach pieces.

I'm given it a whirl already, and will definitely be of help with some trouble spots. As well, tempo is often my Achilles Heel, so this may be just the ticket.

But, what is the real purpose of using a metronome? Is it just to fix some timing trouble spots? Or is it to practice with it so much that the overall tempo from start to end becomes subliminally engrained that I will somehow stay close to it when I turn it off? Or bit of both?

I've never seen a live performer using one smile
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/18/12 07:27 PM

Check this out.

Troy Stetina is a guitar guru but this excellent article applies to most instruments.

http://www.stetina.com/lessons/metronome.html

The metronome is a tool for practise. Time is the most important aspect of music. If you can keep time to an external source you'll be able to keep time with other musicians. If you can play to a set time you have the wherewithal to adjust the tempo to suit the music rather than your technique.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/18/12 07:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Greener

But, what is the real purpose of using a metronome? Is it just to fix some timing trouble spots? Or is it to practice with it so much that the overall tempo from start to end becomes subliminally engrained that I will somehow stay close to it when I turn it off? Or bit of both?


Slooow practice works wonders. Set your metronome to something that seems too slow and use it to keep slow and steady while you play through your piece. Then gradually increase the metronome speed. By the time you get back up to speed you will be amazed how well you can play your piece. That's how I use it.

Sam
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/18/12 08:05 PM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90


Glad I asked. There is a lot more to this than I ever would have thought. Will put priority to this now among my practice.

What a great article. Particularly like this quote ...

'I am reminded of the great composer J.S. Bach, who when asked about his remarkable keyboard ability, simply said, "I just put each finger in the right place at the right time, and the keyboard plays itself."'

Thanks, Richard.

Thanks also, Sam. What you say is reaffirmed exactly in this article.
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/19/12 01:35 PM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90

The metronome is a tool for practise. Time is the most important aspect of music. If you can keep time to an external source you'll be able to keep time with other musicians.


I'm converted. Problem fixed after one hour with Metronome, vs. unfixed after one week of aggravation.

Yippee ...

Ready for the red dot now, for ABF recital #28 that is.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 10/21/12 01:40 PM

I've still got to finish Gnossienne No7, before I can really get into this, shouldn't be too long now wink

Any other takers? smile
Posted by: Maechre

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/03/12 12:18 PM

Hey! smile
I'm gonna grab Op.85, No.1 before anyone else does. Beautiful!
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/03/12 12:44 PM

That's great, cheers wink

Revision;

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - Wayne33yrs

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Maechre
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: Maechre

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/04/12 08:06 AM

This piece is going to be the first time I test out my new strategy of learning the very final phrase of the piece first, and working all the way back to the start, phrase by phrase. My theory is, this way the piece should be strong from start to finish, and I should be playing better as it progresses, although the aim is overall quality.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/04/12 09:43 AM

That sounds like a good plan, alot of folks recommend learning pieces that way wink
Posted by: Maechre

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/04/12 09:54 AM

Oh, wow. There's no such thing as an original idea, right? wink
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/04/12 10:30 AM

I tried the last bars first strategy too, Maechre, but it isn't perfect. I learnt a couple of pieces where the final pages were a cakewalk.

It's the climax that matters most to me. I'm approaching my Mendelssohn piece doing four bars a day and only those four bars. When they're good to go I move on to the next four and when I've been through the piece I repeat the process. I get a sense of the familiar when I get back to each four bar phrase, I'll have overcome the technical difficulties and I can memorise them again very quickly plus continue to give them close attention.

By the third cycle I can work in eight bar sections and start to marry them up without technical impediments or stretching the memory.

By the time the piece is in half-page sections I can knit them together easily and work on the overall effect without having much else in it to worry about.

But if the strategy is new for you it's as well to experience it so go with it and see what you find. Don't forget to log your experience and opinions at the time. You'll learn far more from it all and, if you share them, so will we!
_______________

I see the middle two books are not currently popular. Do we have a better idea of the deadline for this recital? I may change to Op. 102 No. 1 if there are takers for three and five or if we can group the pieces into books.

Posted by: Maechre

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/04/12 10:51 AM

Sure thing, zrtf90! smile I'll keep this place updated and would love to help anyone where I can!
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/04/12 11:21 AM

There's no specific deadline as of yet, I'm concentrating more on getting the pieces allocated first. I'm sure after people see how the Satie recital goes, we'll get more interest and more takers smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/04/12 05:42 PM

just let me know if you decide to make the switch Richard wink
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/07/12 04:43 PM

i'm thinking to ask to be tentatively signed up for Op. 30 No. 1. honestly though I'm not sure I can learn this piece in time or that I will be able to play it well. it looks challenging! also, not sure if my arthritic hands can take this piece so would have to do a trial period to see how my hands hold out.

my recording would be very primitive as i have an old digital piano and an very simple digital recorder. would be a lot of static and not much dynamic range because of my old keyboard. would this be ok?

oh dear...so many reasons why I'm hesitant to do this!

there are a couple of other of the pieces I'm looking at if this one doesn't work out such as 38/1, 53/1, 53/4, 62/5, 67/2. But I'll practice 30/1 for a few days and see how it goes.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/07/12 05:17 PM

It would be lovely to have you onboard Valencia, don't let "stuff" stop you, wink
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/07/12 09:17 PM

Thanks for the encouragement wayne! smile You've persuaded me to put my name down so please sign me up for Op. 30 no. 1.
Posted by: LimeFriday

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/08/12 03:36 PM

I haven't been around for a while - but I'd love to sign up for the recital! Could you put me down for Op 67 No 3.

Thanks!
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/08/12 03:42 PM

will do guys, thnx so much, short of time tonight, will post the edited list asap smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/09/12 09:17 AM

Revision;

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - Wayne33yrs

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - LimeFriday
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Maechre
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/09/12 09:18 AM

We're getting there guys and gals wink Keep 'em comming smile
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/09/12 02:48 PM

Thanks for the regular updates Wayne! I've asked my piano teacher if she wants to pick a piece without success and now have to think of someone else who wants to join in the fun! Can any of you who have already signed up think of friends and family at home who might?

Richard, I really appreciate the advice you've given us. I practised one of my grade exam pieces today trying the method you suggested of doing just 4 bars a day, and this worked well, It gave made me feel that I'd made progress and is a less daunting approach than my usual 'method'.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/09/12 03:11 PM

I have a cunning stunt................

Failing to recruit enough volunteers via PW, I've joined some piano groups on FB, but I'm hanging fire for a bit smile
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/09/12 03:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
Richard, I really appreciate the advice you've given us. I practised one of my grade exam pieces today trying the method you suggested of doing just 4 bars a day, and this worked well, It gave made me feel that I'd made progress and is a less daunting approach than my usual 'method'.
That's great news, Helen. I'm glad it's working for you. When you only work on a short bit at a time you can concentrate better on it, memorise it quicker, get it up to speed quicker and understand it better.

If you're working on several pieces at a time or several parts of one piece it really helps to keep a journal of where you are with each one.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/12/12 04:06 PM

I might give that a shot with mine, once I've got this darned G7 submitted! wink
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/12/12 04:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Andy Platt
Is this cross-posted to Pianists Corner? Likely that folks who hang around there are better able to pick up pieces like this quickly.


Just noticed this, cheers Andy, good idea smile
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/12/12 04:53 PM

BTW when is it due? I have picked the one quite manageable, does not show mistakes easily and sounds nice no matter how you play it (heheheeeee!). If I have a couple of months, I don't mind picking up something similar.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/12/12 05:49 PM

There's no set date yet, we're all sort of going with the flow, smile You ponder away wink x
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/15/12 05:01 PM

Please put Beric (my dad!) down for op 30 no 5 before anyone else bags it.
Posted by: Maechre

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/16/12 02:37 AM

I just had my piano exam at tafe (tertiary education) today! It wasn't perfect, and I couldn't attempt one section, but I may have passed. I'll find out soon enough! If I haven't passed, hopefully I can do well enough in the re-sit. smirk

So as celebration, I'm downloading my Op.85 No.1 and printing it out.

This is actually going to be the first classical piece I've ever properly worked on. smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/16/12 09:46 AM

That's great Dipsey, I'll update the list a bit later smile

Maechre, I've got my fingers crossed for you, let us know your results wink I'd not worked on any classical music either, until I started knocking around Piano world, but once you get into it, it's kinda addictive smile

As for cross posting to PC, well, lets just say it went down like a lead balloon pmsl wink

Bk later folks!
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/17/12 10:27 AM

Revision;

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - Wayne33yrs

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - LimeFriday
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Maechre
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: IreneAdler

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/17/12 02:03 PM

Wayne33yrs,

I have a question about this recital. I have been musing for some weeks now about participating in a recital on this forum after not having the confidence to submit a piece to one of the other recitals. I was wondering if there is a piece unclaimed that I could learn in time for the recital. Currently, I am putting the final touches on 1st movement of Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata, and I have begun working on Chopin's Prelude in E minor and Waltz in A minor. After listening to some of the pieces left and I think that No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major of Book 4 might be achievable given the time.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/17/12 02:29 PM

If you want it, it's yours. smile Do you have the score? or do you need a copy?
Posted by: IreneAdler

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/17/12 04:41 PM

Wayne33yrs,

I do not have the score, I was planning to print a copy of the piece from Imslp as I found a scan of the first edition there. Or should I look for a later copy if there was any correction of errors? I really would like to participate in this recital, but I don't know if this piece is out of my reach at the moment. Or if there is a better choice for the first "Songs" to learn, as I haven't studied a piece by Mendelssohn. If you have another suggestion for a piece to learn it would be appreciated. If could put my name down for that piece "at the moment" I will speak to my teacher about the piece.
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/17/12 05:25 PM

Originally Posted By: IreneAdler
Wayne33yrs,

I do not have the score, I was planning to print a copy of the piece from Imslp as I found a scan of the first edition there. Or should I look for a later copy if there was any correction of errors? I really would like to participate in this recital, but I don't know if this piece is out of my reach at the moment, or if there is a better choice for the first "Songs" to learn, as I haven't worked on a piece by Mendelssohn. If you have another suggestion for a piece to learn it would be appreciated. If could put my name down for that piece "at the moment" I will speak to my teacher about the piece.


Hi Irene,


Glad you are on board for the recital!! smile

I have a book here that lists the Songs without Words according to level. Here are the pieces still available for the recital that are listed as "Intermediate":

Op. 19 No. 2
Op. 19 No. 4
Op. 53 No. 1
Op. 62 No. 1
Op. 62 No. 4
Op. 67 No. 5

Hope I got those right. I haven't played any of these so don't know if 'intermediate' is an accurate description of their difficulty, but maybe you can have a look at the scores and see what you think. smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/18/12 10:53 AM

Op. 53 smile

http://wjonline.webspace.virginmedia.com/book4.pdf
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/18/12 11:15 AM

Originally Posted By: IreneAdler
...I don't know if this piece is out of my reach at the moment. Or if there is a better choice for the first "Songs" to learn...

Op. 19 No. 4, "Confidence" is a popular first Mendelssohn piece. I'm surprised it's not been taken yet.

But the others mentioned by Valencia are about equal.
Posted by: ragnhildK

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/18/12 12:10 PM

May I have op 19 no 2 ?
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/18/12 01:24 PM

I've put you down for Op.53 No.1 Irene, let me know if you change your mind wink

RagnhildK, it's yours smile

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - Wayne33yrs

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - LimeFriday
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Maechre
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/18/12 01:26 PM

We're half way to a full house guys smile
Posted by: Devrie

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/18/12 07:03 PM

Hi, I just signed up for this forum. How do I get involved with this? It would be a great motivation for me.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/19/12 06:20 AM

Hello Devrie, smile

Simply pic a piece, we can provide you with the score, and practice it ready to perform and record, then upload to youtube. There is no settled date yet, but we hope to air the complete recital sometime next year smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/19/12 06:39 AM

The first Themed recital was posted on Rostosky's serious thread, available here Philip Glass Metamorphosis 1 - 5 Themed Recital

(Just scroll down a little)

The second one is Themed on Eric Satie, scheduled for the end of this month smile
Posted by: Devrie

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/19/12 10:03 AM

Thank you!
Posted by: Devrie

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/19/12 02:35 PM

Is Op. 19 No. 4 taken yet? If not, I want to try that one. Thank you!
Posted by: Devrie

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/19/12 03:20 PM

I must admit, I've never heard of Philip glass. I love those pieces, and the players played them so well. I'm very excited to hear new music.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/19/12 03:30 PM

Thank you Devrie, much appreciated smile Op.19 no.4 is still free, I'll add you to the group, smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/19/12 03:33 PM

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - Wayne33yrs

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - LimeFriday
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Maechre
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: Evelyn S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/22/12 07:21 AM

Hi, I am new here so I'd like to ask what recital is this? Some kind of get-together recital or we just basically post our mp3s or videos up online?

Thanks smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/22/12 12:52 PM

Yeah, Youtube video uploads, if you scroll to the bottom of page 4 of this thread, there's a link to the first themed recital smile

Be nice if you could join us wink
Posted by: Evelyn S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/23/12 05:04 AM

Yeah I'm thinking of joining. It's just that I'm having a bit of trouble picking out the piece but I'd have my decision by the end of the week.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/23/12 11:35 AM

Wayne, I've become infatuated by op 67 #2 so could you please switch me over to that?

...op 85 #2 now free...
Posted by: Maechre

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/23/12 10:19 PM

frown

Unfortunately I've decided to pull out of this one due to some projects and gigs I've been asked to play for.

I'll come back to watch when it's done though!
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/24/12 06:38 AM

Consider it done Diretonic smile I switched also lol, I've been worrying over the trills smile

Sorry to lose you Maechre, frown Good luck with the gig smile

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major -Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - LimeFriday
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: Evelyn S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/24/12 10:54 AM

I'll go for Op 19 no 3 laugh
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/24/12 01:16 PM

Thanks Evelyn S wink I edited the list smile
Posted by: LimeFriday

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/24/12 09:06 PM

Can I change my mind - I am worried about the effect of the huge chords on my hand in my original choice. Can I change to Op 30 No 6?
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/25/12 11:02 AM

Of course Limefriday smile

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: LimeFriday

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/25/12 05:02 PM

Excellent!! Thanks wayne smile
Posted by: Pavel.K

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/25/12 07:20 PM

Wayne, I would like to try op.67 no.5, please.
I think all pieces are above my level, but it looks like interesting challange and way how to learn something new.
I think mid February would be fine. Do I have to record myself on a video or just sound is sufficient?
Pavel
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/26/12 04:22 AM

Hello Pavel.K, I've edited the list, thanks and welcome to the group smile Yeah, Youtube videos are needed smile
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/26/12 05:16 AM

Wayne, is there an easy way to convert an mp3 file to a, er, whatever YouTube uses file or do we need to supply visuals (like me in my ABBA costume smile )?
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/26/12 07:15 AM

Good morning (or whatever in your place)
Let me try 102 no 3. I've always stuck to andante and would love to try this piece. Youtube huh? Okay then youtube it is. PavelK I'm thinking they're above my fingers too but worth the challenge
Wisebuff
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/26/12 07:52 AM

I play many of these songs, but even though several of my favourites are already taken it is difficult for me to choose one.

I think you can put me on Op 19 no.5. If someone else really want to play that one I can switch to another one, for instance one of the Op.62 pieces.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/26/12 12:48 PM

I'll edit the list in a bit guys, thank you Wisebuff and Ganddalf smile

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
Wayne, is there an easy way to convert an mp3 file to a, er, whatever YouTube uses file or do we need to supply visuals (like me in my ABBA costume smile )?



Failing to record a video (In full Abba dresscode), you could make a slideshow with some pics, using windows movie maker, like Recaredo did for his M1 piece. Then convert it to flv (flash). I use Freestudiomanager.

http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/free-dvd-video-software.htm

wink
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/26/12 12:58 PM

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major - WiseBuff
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: Pavel.K

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/26/12 01:08 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Hello Pavel.K, I've edited the list, thanks and welcome to the group smile Yeah, Youtube videos are needed smile

Youtube video? Huh, this is a serious stuff. And it will be fun smile

btw. Wayne, it seems I am not on your last list anymore, could you add me to op.67 no.5, please?

Pavel
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/26/12 01:20 PM

OOOOpps Fixed wink
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/27/12 08:20 AM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
Wayne, is there an easy way to convert an mp3 file to a, er, whatever YouTube uses file or do we need to supply visuals (like me in my ABBA costume smile )?



Failing to record a video (In full Abba dresscode), you could make a slideshow with some pics, using windows movie maker, like Recaredo did for his M1 piece. Then convert it to flv (flash). I use Freestudiomanager.

http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/free-dvd-video-software.htm

wink


Please let me know what you decide to do for this, Richard. I didn't realize in the beginning this recital was video only submissions. So, now trying to figure out a strategy as well.

My preference will be to actually get a camera and the whole deal, but to do it right will be pricy I'm finding and is not likely going to happen in this time frame.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/27/12 09:06 AM

I won't be getting a camera, Jeff, I'm not expecting to get anything more than a black/blank screen while the mp3 file plays! Maybe a picture of a coffin! (I'm doing the funeral march)
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/27/12 09:48 AM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
I won't be getting a camera, Jeff, I'm not expecting to get anything more than a black/blank screen while the mp3 file plays! Maybe a picture of a coffin! (I'm doing the funeral march)


Sounds like a plan. I guess I do not need to over think this after all. I will try and think of an equally appropriate image. Op 102, no. 6 is reminiscent of a Hymn to me, so Church like images are flashing through my brain now.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/27/12 10:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Greener
Op 102, no. 6 is reminiscent of a Hymn to me...

They wrote a Hymn to YOU?! laugh
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/27/12 10:12 AM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
Originally Posted By: Greener
Op 102, no. 6 is reminiscent of a Hymn to me...

They wrote a Hymn to YOU?! laugh



Yes, I'm certain of it ... Lord knows I need a good Hymn and a Prayer right about now. So this at least covers the Hymn part.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/27/12 10:45 AM

Have we decided on a time frame for this recital yet? I have a recording of 38/6 (with video) that I made in the summer of 2011. At least I have proof that I could play it at one time! I tried playing through it the other day and it was very rough - not suitable for playing in public. It would probably take me about a month to get it back into playing shape.

Sam
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/27/12 11:48 AM

It would be nicer if you could brush up on your piece Sam, so all the recital entries are current. But it is totally up to you. There's no set timeframe yet, we are taking it as it comes so to speak smile But you're guarenteed a couplke of months wink
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/29/12 09:53 AM

What was I thinking? Did I lose my mind? I DO NOT have presto fingers. I can play the tarantella (Op 102, 3)but not fast enough. Do you all have a nice adagio or andante suggestion so I don't have to quit entirely? HELP!!!
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/29/12 10:20 AM

There are still slower songs available, WiseBuff. You may listen to all these pieces on this play list from Youtube, I’m sure you can still pick one you like.


http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDF65C522375E620C&feature=plcp
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/29/12 11:32 AM

Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
What was I thinking? Did I lose my mind? I DO NOT have presto fingers. I can play the tarantella (Op 102, 3)but not fast enough. Do you all have a nice adagio or andante suggestion so I don't have to quit entirely? HELP!!!


What about op.38 #1 or op. 53 #4 ?


Posted by: Pavel.K

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/29/12 11:54 AM

Op67,3 has awesome intro but it looks like you need bigger hands (which i have not frown ) and 102,1 is very nice romantic piece but it is a little longer.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/30/12 04:02 PM

WiseBuff, are you still considering which one to do? If you don't want this one, I'd be willing to try it:
Book 4, op. 53, No. 4 Adagio in F major

I'm mostly outclassed in this Mendelssohn Songs Without Words performing company, but I think I could tackle this one.
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/30/12 06:24 PM

I am still considering but I have only the Intro to Mendelssohn book and not all of the Songs are in there. I can't get the sheet music without stumbling through multiple layers of different websites. I'll have it sorted out by morning
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/30/12 06:39 PM

Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
I am still considering but I have only the Intro to Mendelssohn book and not all of the Songs are in there. I can't get the sheet music without stumbling through multiple layers of different websites. I'll have it sorted out by morning


http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/0/0c/IMSLP59573-PMLP05355-Combined.pdf

(open the left hand window for bookmarks and easier navigation)

53,4 has a few big chords. A perfect opportunity for the smaller-handed pianist to experiment with some re-arranging.


Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 11/30/12 06:47 PM

WiseBuff, the imslp Mendelssohn page has all the Songs Without Words. Look under L for the Lieder ohne Worte.
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/01/12 06:43 AM

Thanks for the info...I found it. Please let me give up the fantasy of playing at presto and try the 53 no 4 adagio instead. Wow...lots of exercise with chords. A new challenge.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/01/12 09:15 AM

If you're still game, PS88, 38 No.4 or 67 No. 3 are equally workable alternatives to 53 No. 4.
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/01/12 09:57 AM

PS88 if you really want 53 no 4 I'll go to the other suggestions of zrtf90.
They are all challenging to me.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/01/12 12:37 PM

Let me know what you guys decide, then I'll update the list smile
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/01/12 08:32 PM

I'll do opus 38 number 4, andante in A major. Thanks for the suggestion, Richard.
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/02/12 06:40 AM

Alright I'm dedicated to 53 #4 then. Now if you have suggestions on managing the huge chords in the first few measures I'd appreciate the creativity.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/02/12 07:09 AM

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major - PianoStudent88
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major -
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/03/12 01:49 PM

Come on folks, there's a few seats left smile
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/03/12 03:05 PM


I would like to share ideas on learning these.  Also I'm wondering where people are on the spectrum from "knew my selection already, just need to brush it up" through "challenging, but I've played similar works before" all the way to "this is going to be by far the hardest piece I've ever learned" (that's me).

My approach to learning is first to work out the fingering for the whole piece, and then to focus on small parts at a time.  Sometimes I work back to front.  For this one I think I'll adopt Richard's suggestion of working on four measures at a time (the piece is mostly in six measure phrases, in subunits of two measures, so four will cross six in a curious but not insane way, so it seems as reasonable approach as any).

Actually the very very first step I usually do is play through a piece very slowly, HT, a few times, to get a feel for it.  This may be bad in terms of allowing my fingers to taste the dread Wrong Fingering and Mistaken Notes, but this is what I do.  Someday I'll experiment with starting a piece more cautiously.

The other thing I do at some point, and with this piece I'm doing it at the beginning before working out the fingering, is analyze the piece harmonically and thematically.  (I'm doing analysis exhaustively first on this piece because I'm waiting on an edition I've ordered that claims to have fingering and I want to try that before investing too much time and muscle memory in a home-grown possibly inferior fingering.  Yes, I know, different hands, adapt the fingering, etc etc, but I still like starting with published fingering because I usually find in it some clever solution to some particularly tricky puzzles.)

The thematic analysis has shown me the structural outlines of the piece.  The harmonic analysis has gotten me to look very closely and see where similar melodic phrases are harmonized differently, meaning I have to be sure to come up with separate fingering for each one.  It has also shown me some places where a harmony is continued from beat to beat and thus might affect my choice of pedaling.  But I'm not sure how much the harmonic analysis will affect my playing.  I think I'm going to be challenged just to get the right notes, voice the melody, shape the phrases with the indicated dynamics, and if I'm doing really well make audible the few different articulations that are notated.  Plus do all of that at something resembling Andante Walking Pace rather than Snail's Pace.  (I was heartened by the fact that Barenboim's recording took this at a slower pace than I would have expected, so an artistically reasonable tempo is in reach for me, I hope.)

I haven't mentioned expression, pedaling, articulation, dynamics, rubato, etc. as separate steps because I think I'll be working on all of those as I work through it a few measures at a time. Something I learned from listening to the Satie themed recital is that I need to learn to be MUCH more expressive, even within the limited range of a Satie Gymnopedie. How much more expression will be required in a broad-ranging Romantic (or at least on-the-verge-of-Romantic) Song.

I'd love to hear others' thoughts on learning these pieces.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/03/12 03:50 PM

Thanks for your post PS88, I'm doing the same, but just 2 bars at a time, I started yesterday and am happy with this approach (I really want to do this one properly, taking in all the points you mention, these are the things I need to work on)

And this is definately the hardest piece I've ever learned wink
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/03/12 04:17 PM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88

Also I'm wondering where people are on the spectrum from "knew my selection already, just need to brush it up" through "challenging, but I've played similar works before" all the way to "this is going to be by far the hardest piece I've ever learned" ...


My piece is fairly easy. I did not choose it for that reason, but rather because I liked it having listened to them all. There were certainly some I excluded immediately of course though, due to clearly being beyond my capacity.

It has been very good piece to work on for my pace of slow reading. It took me about a week I think to play the piece in its entirety, and to this day I am still reading it from the score, which is new for me.

However, still a lot of work to do in getting the dynamics I will want for final presentation.

Certainly not the toughest I have ever learned. But a new piece for me, and one I am liking while also developing other works. So, quite happy with my choice. Plus, we covered it in the Sonata analysis which was added bonus.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/03/12 05:06 PM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
For this one I think I'll adopt Richard's suggestion of working on four measures at a time (the piece is mostly in six measure phrases, in subunits of two measures, so four will cross six in a curious but not insane way, so it seems as reasonable approach as any).

The idea of doing the piece four measures at a time was because it suited the phrasing.

It's not the best method here as it breaks the phrasing against the musical idea.

My approach to this piece would be quite different.

I would start by looking at each measure individually looking for mechanical difficulties like M5 (= M11 & M23) with the idea of absorbing the fingering and mechanics without concern for tempo of any kind and the same where the inner fingers change in the chord progression of M8 (= M14). There are no other areas of concern for me personally but M16-17 might be a rhythmic issue between the hands. There may be some time practising the chords and their changes HS if they're unfamiliar or awkward, the rest is memorising and practising nice and slow.

I would either leave M1-3 and M27-30 to the end or work them up while doing my M5 and 8 exercises.

When there are no mechanical difficulties left I would start on M4-5, M6-7 and M8-9 separately and put them together when they're fluent.

I'd be watchful of minor changes before taking it up to M15 by about the end of December. Where the measures are close but not exactly identical e.g M7, M13 and M23 I would practise them on separate days early on so as not to cause confusion.

M16-17, M18-19, M20-21 in isolation (like M4-9) before appending M22-23 (watch the changes) and tack on M24-25 by mid to late Jan.

I would start joining M1-15 together in late Jan-early Feb and M16-30 on alternate days (or every two days, maybe).

By late Feb I'd put put both halves together and start two or three recordings a day picking up minor flaws and adding improvements.

I honestly can't see this going out before mid March so I'd take Christmas week off and go easy.

I only learn new stuff Mon-Fri and do maintenance on the weekends. This allows catch-up time if I fall behind schedule anywhere.

That's how I'd do it. Merge the ideas from this with your own preferred approach.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/03/12 05:22 PM

Richard, thank you, I will print out your ideas and look at them in conjunction with the score.

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
I would start by looking at each measure individually looking for mechanical difficulties

For me, that would be every single beat after the first beat of the piece.

Why do you memorize everything? I wasn't planning to memorize this, because to me that seems like an entire extra level of complexity and stress and effort, especially when I don't have a lot of practice at memorization. Plus I'd like to continue working on memorizing the Clementi Sonatina #4 that I'm working on memorizing (partly as a test case to learn how to memorize), and I'm afraid that trying to memorize two pieces will interfere with each other. What am I missing about the benefits of memorization?
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/03/12 06:03 PM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Originally Posted By: zrtf90
I would start by looking at each measure individually looking for mechanical difficulties

For me, that would be every single beat after the first beat of the piece.

By mecanical difficulty I mean a leap, a trill in weak fingers, changing inner fingers of a chord in relation to the outer fingers, crossing the fourth finger over fifth while holding down second etc.

Measure three might be difficult in RH (Am - E7 - Am) but LH is easy enough. Once RH is sorted there's no mechanical difficulty even though the measure isn't easy to play (until it's memorised! smile ).




Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Why do you memorize everything?

If there's a bit of tricky fingering and it isn't marked in the score, how do you know what fingers to use?

Imagine a five note ascent from D to G, say, ending in a trill. If I play 1-2-3-4-5 I have to try and trill with 4-5. If I play 1-2-1-2-3 I trill with two and three. I could write in the 1 over the third note and give myself yet more information to take in at a glance or I could memorise it!

Memorising means taking a short section and repeating it. Exactly the same process I use to learn to play a piece without memorising it! So why not memorise it? If I memorise it I can practise it on the kitchen worktop when I'm frying an egg or boiling a kettle, on the steering wheel at traffic lights. And when the boss is telling me something really important and I have to look like I'm concentrating on what he's saying I can practise it without even moving my fingers (it grows the neural connexions just the same but without errors).


Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
I wasn't planning to memorize this, because to me that seems like an entire extra level of complexity and stress and effort, especially when I don't have a lot of practice at memorization. Plus I'd like to continue working on memorizing the Clementi Sonatina #4 that I'm working on memorizing (partly as a test case to learn how to memorize), and I'm afraid that trying to memorize two pieces will interfere with each other. What am I missing about the benefits of memorization?

I work on memorising three to five pieces each day, the pieces change every week to prevent boredom and to give the pieces assimilation time. That means I'm in the process of memorising between 15 and, currently, thirty pieces. I work on small sections of each. I've never played the notes from one piece in the middle of another.

If I wasn't memorising this piece I would still work it the same way.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/03/12 06:06 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Come on folks, there's a few seats left smile


Among the ones still not taken there are still a few not too difficult pieces, but there are also some virtually unplayable ones definitely out of range for an adult beginner, and very difficult even for very experienced amateurs.

The ones I fear the most are the following:

Op 30/2
Op 38/1
Op 53/3
Op 62/2

Then we have Op 67/2 which is perhaps the hardest of all, but that one is accounted for, and I look forward to listening to it.

The only piece among these I would have considered myself is Op 62/2. But since I have chosen Op 19/5 for myself I stick to that.

Somebody should consider Op 62/1 and Op 62/5. They are very beautiful pieces, the first one being the easier one. Op 62/5 is the most beautiful of Mendelssohn's "Barcarolles".
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/03/12 06:32 PM

If they're not all taken are all bets off?
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/03/12 07:00 PM

You will have to play any untaken ones Richard smile Joking! They will get taken lol wink
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/03/12 10:35 PM

Richard, on memorization vs. playing from the score, I use reading the score to remind my fingers where to go. Here's an example from singing: I sing alto in my chorus, and we sang Angels We Have Heard On High (the one with the melismatic Glorias). I'd only ever sung the soprano part before, and I can sing the melody for the Glorias from memory. But I don't know the alto part by heart. I need the music to remind me where to go. Now, there's some learning and practice I've had to do compared to when we first started the piece, because I'm not good at sight-singing. I'm good at reading rhythms at first sight, but I don't have reliable grasp of the pitches to sing until I've heard my part. So I've learned something from practice, in order to know exactly which pitches to sing when looking at the music. But I still need the score, because without the reminder of where to go up and down, I don't remember the part precisely. Piano playing is similar for me.

I have noticed that after I have done memory work, my playing from the score improves; perhaps because the kind of practice I do for memory work gets me to really explore the notes in a way that helps me learn them better. But after the memory work, I find that I can generally still play faster with the score than without, because if I'm able to read the music for reminders of where to go I can go faster and more reliably than when I'm working purely from memory where I get slowed down by the very effort of trying to remember what to play.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/04/12 05:46 AM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
...I use reading the score to remind my fingers where to go....after the memory work, I find that I can generally still play faster with the score than without, because if I'm able to read the music for reminders of where to go I can go faster and more reliably...

That's how most people practise! That's why people play better after a few plays through compared to sight-reading. They remember the notes, oh yes they do, but the score reminds them. All the time.

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
...perhaps because the kind of practice I do for memory work gets me to really explore the notes in a way that helps me learn them better.

Exactly!! Learning = Remembering.

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
...when I'm working purely from memory...I get slowed down by the very effort of trying to remember what to play.

Wrong! We remember everything. What you're struggling with is recall!

Remembering = storing.
Recall = retrieving.

Memorising is not remembering - we do that anyway. It's practising recall. That must be slow. And it must be practised.

Finger memory (procedural, motor or muscle memory) is reacting to cues not conscious recall. Practising recall is building cognisant memory. Cognisant memory is less prone to breakdown. You know when you know it. You're less easily thrown. You can pick it up at the next beat or measure. If you leap down to an F instead of an E it can break finger memory because the next note is known in relation to the last but in cognisant memory you know what the next note is and you can recover quickly - often without people noticing.

We remember everything anyway but we must practise recall. Recall uses a different neural pathway. We have to grow that pathway. But once it's there, it's there pretty much for life. And it's solid. You don't forget it.
Posted by: timmyab

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/04/12 08:10 AM

I've got op67 no1 just about memorized now.I'm still getting the odd memory block though, I hate those things.
Interesting what's just been said about learning to recall.I've always relied too much on finger memory which is fine until it breaks down.Nowadays I practice starting at random points in the score, I find this helps a lot although it's hard work to begin with.
Also I find that newly memorized pieces tend to fall apart not long after they are first memorized.I'm kind of at that stage now with op67 no1 of recognizing where errors are creeping in and using slow practice to clean them up.


Technically, bars 24 and 25 are still giving me some trouble.The high b flats cause problems for hands that can't stretch a comfortable tenth.That's most people I would guess.
It's a lovely piece of music though and like all these songs without words it's great practice in the art of picking out a melody.Something which may well get the better of me, but it wont be for want of trying.

I notice that op85 no1 still hasn't been taken.It's a great piece and not too difficult once you've mastered the polyrhythms.
On the subject of difficulty, this is how Henle rate these pieces.This seems fairly accurate to me.
http://www.henle.com/en/detail/index.html?Title=Songs+without+words_327
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/04/12 12:35 PM

Originally Posted By: timmyab

Technically, bars 24 and 25 are still giving me some trouble.


It looks as though the G falling on the last beat of the RH of 24/25 should be incorporated into the LH.

I think you might have a few alternatives there.
Posted by: timmyab

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/04/12 03:04 PM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic

It looks as though the G falling on the last beat of the RH of 24/25 should be incorporated into the LH.

I think you might have a few alternatives there.

Yes, that's what I've been doing.It's kind of tricky though because of the awkward left hand figure that follows it and because the G is a melody note so has to be accented.It is coming gradually.
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/05/12 12:18 AM

I think I'm going to give up 30 3, and pick something else. I may regret this(actually I'm pretty sure I will), but think I want to learn something faster. 30 3 isn't too bad (which is why I originally picked it hehehe) if someone wants to give it a go. I'll know what I want by next Tuesday.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/05/12 12:50 AM

AimeeO, if you are giving up 30/3 Adagio non troppo in E, I will gladly take it over. It looks a bit easier than my current 38/4 (and Henle agrees with me).
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/05/12 04:20 AM

Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
Alright I'm dedicated to 53 #4 then. Now if you have suggestions on managing the huge chords in the first few measures I'd appreciate the creativity.


Have you made any headway on this, Wisebuff? I can offer some suggestions but all are a compromise.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/05/12 04:46 AM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88

I would like to share ideas on learning these.  Also I'm wondering where people are on the spectrum from "knew my selection already, just need to brush it up" through "challenging, but I've played similar works before" all the way to "this is going to be by far the hardest piece I've ever learned" (that's me).

My approach to learning is first to work out the fingering for the whole piece, and then to focus on small parts at a time.  Sometimes I work back to front.  For this one I think I'll adopt Richard's suggestion of working on four measures at a time (the piece is mostly in six measure phrases, in subunits of two measures, so four will cross six in a curious but not insane way, so it seems as reasonable approach as any).

Actually the very very first step I usually do is play through a piece very slowly, HT, a few times, to get a feel for it.  This may be bad in terms of allowing my fingers to taste the dread Wrong Fingering and Mistaken Notes, but this is what I do.  Someday I'll experiment with starting a piece more cautiously.

The other thing I do at some point, and with this piece I'm doing it at the beginning before working out the fingering, is analyze the piece harmonically and thematically.  (I'm doing analysis exhaustively first on this piece because I'm waiting on an edition I've ordered that claims to have fingering and I want to try that before investing too much time and muscle memory in a home-grown possibly inferior fingering.  Yes, I know, different hands, adapt the fingering, etc etc, but I still like starting with published fingering because I usually find in it some clever solution to some particularly tricky puzzles.)

The thematic analysis has shown me the structural outlines of the piece.  The harmonic analysis has gotten me to look very closely and see where similar melodic phrases are harmonized differently, meaning I have to be sure to come up with separate fingering for each one.  It has also shown me some places where a harmony is continued from beat to beat and thus might affect my choice of pedaling.  But I'm not sure how much the harmonic analysis will affect my playing.  I think I'm going to be challenged just to get the right notes, voice the melody, shape the phrases with the indicated dynamics, and if I'm doing really well make audible the few different articulations that are notated.  Plus do all of that at something resembling Andante Walking Pace rather than Snail's Pace.  (I was heartened by the fact that Barenboim's recording took this at a slower pace than I would have expected, so an artistically reasonable tempo is in reach for me, I hope.)

I haven't mentioned expression, pedaling, articulation, dynamics, rubato, etc. as separate steps because I think I'll be working on all of those as I work through it a few measures at a time. Something I learned from listening to the Satie themed recital is that I need to learn to be MUCH more expressive, even within the limited range of a Satie Gymnopedie. How much more expression will be required in a broad-ranging Romantic (or at least on-the-verge-of-Romantic) Song.

I'd love to hear others' thoughts on learning these pieces.


I wouldn't have taken on my piece without the 3 months or so allotted to the recital, it's one of the more difficult I've tried although the metronome marking for it is a heck of a lot slower than e.g. Barenboim takes it so that will mitigate somewhat. At least I have a choice and I love 67,2 at both medium or brisk.

In recording, unless I'm playing something relatively simple, I tend to tense up as I approach the end - that's especially true when I've made a good start as there's then more at stake. For that reason I jumped, soon after starting, to the last page and that will get a periodic (extra) work-out while honing up the rest of the piece. That'll help me relax when it comes time to record.

Other than what I hear intuitively in the way of form, harmonic analysis would serve me no purpose but I can see how systematically breaking down a structure can help provide a road map for some.

Memorise in small musical units, complete or half-complete morsels. Zone in on the smallest neighbourhood - as little as 2 beats - of a persistent problem and try and form a playable loop. Repeat until confident then gradually expand the loop to take in more of the leading and trailing notation.

At the outset I only pay attention to fingering (so, so important as a cue) and note lengths. Without going out of my way to avoid expression I never consciously attend to it (speed or volume) until the notes of the entire piece are reasonably confident at which point I have my blank canvas.

Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/05/12 09:52 AM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
At the outset I only pay attention to fingering (so, so important as a cue) and note lengths. I would never bother with expression (speed or volume) until the notes are second nature at which point I have my blank canvas.

Excellent post, dire tonic. Each paragraph has impact and importance on this recital and is worth re-reading. This last one is especially worth paying attention to. I've recently discussed this with another on this forum who prefers to tend to one thing at a time and this method fits into it nicely.

My own preference is to memorise the piece in my head after audiating from the score (my blank canvas) and frequently singing it to myself so my interpretation is formed as a perfect idea before I sit down to the piano, uncluttered by the imperfections thrown up by my fingers, and I consequently pay attention to every last detail of each snippet before I move on. It's not for everyone.

Also I agree that a harmonic analysis in lyrical pieces like these is less important than a melodic one especially if the phrases aren't marked in. Performers whose intuitive ability is not backed up with as much experience might spend a little time looking where the phrases stop and start and use this to break the piece into musically integral units rather than just two or three bars arbitrarily.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/05/12 10:22 AM

Expression

Thinking about what dire tonic and Richard have said, as I've been practicing memorizing my Clementi Sonatina, I have discovered that I definitely want to learn the dynamics and articulation as I'm learning the fingering, which is to say, learn them all at the same time as I'm working initially on the piece in morsels. I mention this as coming from work on Clementi, but everything I'm learning about memorizing will be very applicable to my work on my Mendelssohn Song Without Words for this themed recital. (Richard, you have convinced me to tackle memorizing my Mendelssohn.)

Now, in working on a morsel I will probably get the fingering first, and then work on the expression. But I want to have memorized the expression before I move on to the next morsel. This is because the expression as indicated in the score may not be what I would myself think of as obvious for the piece (and this is even more true for the Mendelssohn Songs Without Words, with their sudden dynamics changes), so if I don't learn them on the first pass, then I have to go through a second time with a whole new layer of learning the notated expression.

Also I am finding that I need practice in swelling and shrinking a phrase, and it's good for me to get that practice from the very beginning, rather than spend a lot of time learning to play without expression. I want all my playing to have expression, and there's no reason to artificially cut my practice time for expression in half by ignoring expression for the whole first part of my learning.

As I get the piece very comfortably under my fingers, I expect I will be able to put even more expression into it, so in that sense I don't have the final expression from the very beginning. Also as I get more familiar with the piece, I will find new nuances of expression I want to put into it. But I will have the outlines of the notated expression from the very beginning.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/05/12 10:46 AM

Analysis

More thoughts from thinking about dire tonic's and Richard's posts: Harmonic analysis is the first analytical tool I learned, so it is always my first thought on looking at a piece. I am learning from Richard's prodding how to do other types of analysis, and I agree that melodic analysis is particularly important in a Song Without Words, for example to give ideas for how to shape the phrases.

But things I learn from harmonic analysis of a piece include:

It gets me to look very closely at all the notes. Then I branch off into looking at patterns in the notes in other ways than harmonically. Other people might have other ways of getting up close and personal with the notes, but for me harmonic analysis gives me that starting point.

It tells me things about the phrases, like where they begin and end, or where a phrase ends on an unsettled chord and only resolves with the first note of the next phrase, which tells me something about possible interpretation. Other people can probably hear things like this easily, and don't need to do the formal analysis, but for me the harmonic analysis gives me big clues about what to listen for that might otherwise elude me for a long time. I suppose I could practice just listening, and learning to hear these things without the formal analytic clues, but honestly that listening seems to proceed so slowly for me. (Example: the radio played a clip of Ira Gershwin singing something from Porgy and Bess. The announcer warned that he was off-key at the beginning, but that the clip got better after the start. Well. Ha. I couldn't hear any off-keyness at all, it all sounded just fine to me.)

Beyond just phrase endings, but also internally within phrases, in listening to these Songs Without Words, I don't hear any obvious "this is a normal harmony, this is an unusual harmony" cues that I hear in the Clementi Sonatinas we were working with over on the Analysis thread. So I don't know what that's all about, but it means that I still want the formal harmonic analysis to match up with what I hear and try to figure out what harmonic effects Mendelssohn is using and what they sound like.

I mentioned that the harmonic analysis might tell me things about possible interpretation, but then again, maybe not. Here's another example: I was playing Gurlitt's Little Flower for my teacher last year, and she said "that sounds just like a little flower." Well. Ha. I hadn't been thinking about making it sound like a little flower at all. I'd been thinking purely technically about adding Romantic expression: big swells and diminuendos in the phrases, expressive rubato at the phrase ends, big forte's where indicated. And my impression after my exhaustive harmonic analysis of my Mendelssohn Song Without Words left me thinking that a similar thing is true here too: pay attention to the dynamics and other technical issues, and the harmonic effects will emerge all by themselves from the notes that Mendelssohn has chosen, without any need to emphasize them further. (The one exception where harmonic analysis might influence my interpretation would be finding the tension chord(s) just before a resolution, and hanging on them a bit longer. Or conversely, sinking deeply into the resolution itself. This is the kind of choice that I won't know until I can play the piece, albeit slowly, and can practice listening to the different choices. I can't audiate well enough to decide on these things just from reading the score away from the piano.)

This is different from for example Bach's Prelude in C where my dynamic interpretation is intimately linked to the harmonic analysis, emphasising the strange chords and relaxing on the plain chords. (I'm not sure if Richard would agree with this approach to expression in that Prelude, since when we analyzed it he had an entirely different way of understanding its structure.)

Specifically from doing harmonic analysis on Romantic pieces (Schubert over on the Analysis thread, Mendelssohn here), I am learning to expand my understanding of harmonic vocabulary beyond the Baroque and Classical harmony that is all I have studied before now. By going through note by note and chord by chord, I'm really absorbing some of the new things the Romantics are doing with chromaticism. I like knowing about these things, rather than just seeing a score and the composer's choices as a mass of notes with the only things I can say about them being "this is for colour" or "this is for effect". What I've seen so far in the composers I've studied, including Schubert and Mendelssohn, is that they choose their harmonies and chromatics according to very careful principles; they're not just a random set of notes set down any old way that happen to sound good. As I move forward in time beyond the early Romantics, I expect to start learning more and more about the ways that successive composers stretched the harmonic envelope step by step.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/05/12 12:45 PM

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major -
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major -
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/06/12 07:42 AM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
Alright I'm dedicated to 53 #4 then. Now if you have suggestions on managing the huge chords in the first few measures I'd appreciate the creativity.


Have you made any headway on this, Wisebuff? I can offer some suggestions but all are a compromise.



Yes I'm making headway but still find I need to leave out the lower F in measure 2 in order to maintain the melody in the right hand. I'll see my teacher tomorrow and she may have a better suggestion. I'm still working through the first page and the first four measures are the most difficult as far as fingering. Any suggestions are welcome.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/06/12 02:25 PM

Wayne is up to the end of bar 8 now, but it's still real slow, wink I don't know wether to continue to the next bar 9 and 10 tomorow, or take a break and work solely on these first 8 bars till they're perfectish? smile
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/06/12 05:25 PM

If you've done to bar 8, Wayne, you have done up to bar 10! You've also got the technique for 10-14, 22-30 and 41-45 after you've accommodated those nasty subtle changes.

Personally I would drop these bars and let them assimilate for a while. Your attention should first be on 14-18, then 18-22, 30-34 and 34-41. I would spend a week on each of these sections in isolation then a fortnight to combine each pair taking you to the middle of January (assuming you continue over Christmas).

In middle to late Jan you can return to these simpler sections (you might use weekends to keep them in your head and use half-bar sections to work up some tempo).

By mid Feb you should be ready to think about joining these sections and control the tempo with a metronome. When you're free of hesitations at about 50-60 bpm for minims you should be able to let the tempo come up quite quickly to whatever feels comfortable for you (and keeps you mistake free).

There's absolutely no point letting mistakes in anywhere here just to have it ready in time for a recital. Get it right and use whatever tempo you're up to for the recital. No-one's going to be upset by a slower tempo but will you be happy recording errors?

Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/06/12 05:36 PM

Thanks Richard, You're the Man! wink
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/06/12 06:18 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Wayne is up to the end of bar 8 now, but it's still real slow, wink I don't know wether to continue to the next bar 9 and 10 tomorow, or take a break and work solely on these first 8 bars till they're perfectish? smile



If we are to play these mid February my strategy is to have the whole thing under my fingers by mid January. That means a new measure every day attending to dynamics and fingering and hoping that the previous measures begin to feel comfortable (perfectish feels pretty out there right now). Then with the whole in my head I hope to smooth it out and get it ready for performance. I was up to six measures today but the first two are tough ones and not as beautiful as they could be.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/06/12 06:46 PM

Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
If we are to play these mid February...

Mid February is the ABF Recital. I don't think we'll clash with that so would allow at least another month to mid March before this goes ahead.

If it's any help, try dropping the RH accompaniment in the first measures and just play the LH with the RH melody and make it sound beautiful before adding the rest of the RH. It gives you something to aim for instead of hoping to hear it right. You might try it all the way up to measure 9. That's a beautiful melody.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/06/12 07:01 PM


Originally Posted By: zrtf90
Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
If we are to play these mid February...

Mid February is the ABF Recital. I don't think we'll clash with that so would allow at least another month to mid March before this goes ahead



We wouldn't dream of a coincidle Recital/video posting with Mr.S.H!
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/06/12 08:17 PM

THAT is fabulous news. MOre time is better so I can relax and enjoy this piece. Whooohooo.
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/06/12 08:56 PM

I have a question about my piece---op30 no1.

Does anyone know...is there a trick to using the pedal to make the passages legato? For now I'm focusing on the first part. Even just looking at bars 1 and 2. Both the left and right hand play triplets for accompaniment, and then the right hand also has to play the melody. The melody is played with my 5th finger RH, but it is marked legato. Initially I was trying to hold on to those melody notes with my pinky while I was playing the triplets with the rest of the fingers on my right hand, but it was causing pain in my hand so I have to use the pedal to do it. however i just can't seem to get it. Barenboim makes it sound so lovely and legato, but mine sounds either choppy or smudged.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/07/12 02:16 AM

Op.31/1 is a very hard piece. This is the case when played both at low and high speed. At several places you will have to play a two-against-three rythm with your right hand. And the general challenge is to bring out the melody along with the triplets of the two middle voices. I use quite rapid action with the pedal when I play this piece myself, but I have to admit that I have never been able to bring it up to a high artistic level.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/07/12 02:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Valencia
I have a question about my piece---op30 no1.

Does anyone know...is there a trick to using the pedal to make the passages legato? For now I'm focusing on the first part. Even just looking at bars 1 and 2. Both the left and right hand play triplets for accompaniment, and then the right hand also has to play the melody. The melody is played with my 5th finger RH, but it is marked legato. Initially I was trying to hold on to those melody notes with my pinky while I was playing the triplets with the rest of the fingers on my right hand, but it was causing pain in my hand so I have to use the pedal to do it. however i just can't seem to get it. Barenboim makes it sound so lovely and legato, but mine sounds either choppy or smudged.



Don’t injure yourself! Use sustain as liberally as needed but aim to use the suggested fingering. Often as not you’ll find a lot of it will fall under your fingers and give you your legato.

I’ve only looked at the first few bars but there are a couple of things to note. Heavy use of the pinky but also use 4 to enhance legato for example between Ab and Bb in bar 2.

Quite a bit of finger swapping going on in the melody (e.g. Eb in bar 3 and C in bar 4). Is the fingering marked in your score?

In bar 2, just after the Ab melody note, the RH G should be played by the LH together with the Bb. That's going to give the RH some vital independence. Is that marked in your score? If not I can point you to a better edition.

Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/07/12 03:46 AM

Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
Originally Posted By: dire tonic
Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
Alright I'm dedicated to 53 #4 then. Now if you have suggestions on managing the huge chords in the first few measures I'd appreciate the creativity.


Have you made any headway on this, Wisebuff? I can offer some suggestions but all are a compromise.



Yes I'm making headway but still find I need to leave out the lower F in measure 2 in order to maintain the melody in the right hand. I'll see my teacher tomorrow and she may have a better suggestion. I'm still working through the first page and the first four measures are the most difficult as far as fingering. Any suggestions are welcome.


Looking at bar 2, I’m assuming your score indicates the top A in the LH chord should be played with the RH? I’d say my hands are a tad smaller than average but I can do a fingertip 10th with the LH, a fraction less with the RH. So in bar 2 I can take on the bass clef 10th chord entirely providing I omit the middle F. Also in the RH, I can just manage the fingertip 9th with B nat. at the top. Are either of those intervals within your reach? If so, you can juggle the responsibility for those extreme notes without losing too much of the richness in the harmony.

For the chord with the C melody – unless you can do the LH fingertip 10th - you’d have to drop the bottom F as you’ve already suggested but that’s fairly transient and not too big a sacrifice.

Hope that’s of use. I’d be very interested to know what your teacher suggests.
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/07/12 04:27 PM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
[quote=WiseBuff][quote=dire tonic][quote=WiseBuff]Alright I’d be very interested to know what your teacher suggests.


Thanks Dire tonic...my teacher feels I wouldn't lose much to leave out the top A (bass clef) in the left hand and just let the right hand play the melody notes. So the left hand would be the F chord.
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/07/12 07:55 PM

Thank you dire tonic for the fingering suggestions! It helps, and no my score was not marked like that. I practiced it that way today and it sounded much better (using the fourth finger on the Ab and then using the LH only on the triplets in that particular spot). Perhaps there are other places in the score where I can use the LH where I was trying to use the right. I wonder if it is ok to play the triplets not so much legato but in a shorter fashion?

Ganddalf, I agree this is a challenging piece! I won't get it to any high artistic level either before this recital, or possibly ever. but I'll do the best I can. Some places where the RH plays the melody and the triplets, it is challenging to bring out the melody note while keeping the other softer. With the 2 against 3, I had started studying Debussy's First Arabesque just before I picked up this piece, so I think that helped me a lot with it. I don't think my use of the pedal is as rapid as it could/should be yet, because I haven't been sure how to do that and maintain the legato in a way that also doesn't hurt my hands. It seems alternative fingering though will help a lot so I'll continue to sort that out.
Posted by: jdw

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/07/12 07:57 PM

Lots of good advice from dire tonic on op 30 no. 1. Picking up some RH notes with LH (& vice versa) is needed here. And absolutely, don't try to hold onto anything that feels uncomfortable.

But, I don't see need for finger swaps in mm 3-4. I play 5 on the Eb, 2 on the C (followed by 1 on the F).

I'd be curious to know the better edition. I have comfortable fingerings, but only because my excellent teacher pointed them out.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/08/12 04:23 AM

Of those editions I’ve briefly checked, this is my preferred.

http://conquest.imslp.info/files/imglnks...809139score.pdf

Nice potted history at the top and more detail than I’d seen before; metronome markings, notes on form and to my mind a little more convincing on fingering although they correspond a lot of the time.

This:-
http://erato.uvt.nl/files/imglnks/usimg/0/0c/IMSLP59573-PMLP05355-Combined.pdf

- has a lot in common but sometimes there’s an alternative.
In fact it was this latter I looked at first when pondering Valencia’s impossible stretch. Here it’s bracketed but in the Ditson edition the G is written on the correct stave.

jdw, I agree, these swaps are not always necessary or even advantageous but I usually experiment with them to see if they might help. Your fingering works fine for me, those particular swaps seem fussy. I’ve not looked at the others.

Fortunately we’re not delivering this recital till early spring so for trouble spots we can afford to spend a little time looking at alternatives, maybe devising our own, giving each of them a chance to bed in, or not.

Wayne, if you’re reading this, when I was practising the 85,2 you’ve now taken over, I found the 3,5 finger swap at the beginning of bar 3 to be a better alternative at speed than jumping straight to 5. Check out the Ditson if you're not already using it.

Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/08/12 06:11 AM

Yep I'm here wink I've just been making the fingering up as I go along so to speak, as long as it's comfortable and the next notes are easy to get to, I thought that should be ok. If I get time, I'll record a vid later and show you what I'm doing, then you could point out any improvements I could make. Cheers everyone smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/08/12 06:13 AM

There's still empty seats, I hope others are going to join in smile Come on you lurkers, pick a piece, it's fun and a learning experience rolled into one smile Not to mention the sense of acheivement when the recital gets posted up smile
Posted by: jdw

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/08/12 09:36 AM

Dire tonic, thanks for posting those links. It will be interesting to compare with my edition (I have the Alfred masterworks).

I'm still lurking as I haven't got recording figured out, among other reasons. It's a nice project, though!
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/08/12 11:14 AM

I couldn't video and play at the same time lol, so I wrote my chosen fingering on the score. What do you guys think? smile

Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/08/12 12:06 PM

It’s ok up to a point, fairly logical. The upper line of the RH (excluding the intermediate answering notes) should be legato and you’ll compromise that to some extent where you have F down to D (5,5), C to B (4,4) and E to C (5,5). Also it depends on the tempo. At medium to slow there may not appear to be much difference between ‘good’ and ‘better’ fingering – it might only become apparent at a faster tempo. You’ve got bigger hands than me if you’re happy going from B up to E with 4,5 although Ditson uses that. I used 3,5.

The LH is broadly ok but then it’s not working nearly as hard.

I would recommend spending at least an hour persevering with the ditson fingering on the RH alone - just those 4 bars - and seeing what you think. If you’ve not done finger swaps before it’ll seem a bit weird but when you get used to it it’s like a glide – quite satisfying.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/08/12 01:06 PM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
...You’ve got bigger hands than me if you’re happy going from B up to E with 4,5 although Ditson uses that.
I take that upper E as starting a new phrase, as does Ditson, so the break in legato should help.

I do agree though that Ditson fingering is good for following.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/08/12 02:48 PM

Thanks guys, I've printed the Ditson score out, and will have a proper look tomorow, smile I'm finding this hard lol, hope I can pull it off. I suppose the key is just to keep going wink
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/08/12 02:54 PM

The key is not to get flustered by technical problems, Wayne. There's a resource here and you've plenty of time.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/08/12 06:50 PM

Thnx man wink
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/08/12 08:14 PM

Wayne...I'm with you. Step by step anything is possible...even very challenging music
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/09/12 07:35 PM

Love it! We in it together lol, we're in with the "in" crowd wink
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/09/12 07:38 PM

Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/10/12 02:48 AM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Thanks guys, I've printed the Ditson score out, and will have a proper look tomorow, smile I'm finding this hard lol, hope I can pull it off. I suppose the key is just to keep going wink


Wayne, I apologise if I put you into a spin. To suggest trialling the ditson fingering for only an hour might have caused a bout of panic, maybe a sense that there’s so much to do you should quickly pass on to the next task? I meant only that within an hour you would probably begin to see that there was another way of doing things.

It’s impossible to overstate the importance of good fingering. It’s a foundation stone. You’ve got that much time you should take however long is required to get it right.

Don’t paniiiic!!!

Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/10/12 08:16 PM

Lol, no probs smile I reckon I'm stickin' to my own fingering, I find it more comfortable wink
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/11/12 02:57 AM

- I can understand that. Anyway, time for me to ditch the dogma. A touch of sustain and it can still sound good.

Looking forward to hearing it!
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/11/12 09:53 AM

My Alfred Masterworks edition of the complete Songs Without Words, edited by Maurice Hinson, arrived. I like the explanatory and interpretive information Hinson gives about the Songs, but it turns out that, for Op. 30 No. 3 at least, in most places I prefer the fingering I got from the Peters edition edited by Theodor Kullak that I found on imslp. Kullak gives more fingering in essential places, and it's subtler, in particular in using finger 4. The one place I might prefer Hinson is in a measure of descending first inversion RH chords. Kullak gives a varied fingering that I suspect is meant to improve legato. Hinson gives a straight-forward series of 125, and achieves legato with pedal. But I'll give the Kullak fingering a try, because so far in all the places where I've thought "that's an odd fingering", his fingering has turned out to be very clever and efficient.

On the other hand, Hinson gives explicit pedal suggestions, which I shall probably adopt.

And, oh look, the Kullak-edited Peters edition is available to buy. (I appreciate imslp as a resource, but I dislike playing from flimsy printed-out sheet music and having unattached sheets of paper floating all over my piano. I like my music corralled in a book. Yes, I could put the print-outs in a notebook, but what a pain, and it's never as compact as a printed book.) It seems sort of silly to have not one, but two, editions of the Songs Without Words when almost all of them are much too hard for me and, unlike the Beethoven Sonatas or the Bach Preludes and Fugues, they're not my dream aspirational pieces. But I think I will buy this edition anyway.
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/11/12 11:15 AM

Okay, I'm sure I'll be slapping myself later, but I have chosen Op. 102 n. 3. I don't know how fast I'll be able to get it, but I'm gonna give it a go.

Meanwhile, I have fallen in love with 53-3. That's gonna be my next project piece!

I got the Dover edition. It has no suggested fingerings or commentary, if anyone was wondering what was going on in that one. It does have pedal markings.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/12/12 11:14 AM

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major -
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/16/12 07:13 AM

Anymore takers? smile
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/16/12 08:09 AM

Can we do more than one? If so, I have also in the past played 53/5. I could work that back up again in addition to 38/6.

Sam
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/16/12 12:42 PM

Since it's proving difficult to get all the pieces covered, I think we may as well open it up so participants can take more than one. There's been a few people wanting more than one, so go for it guys wink

Sam 53/5 is yours smile
Posted by: timmyab

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/16/12 01:49 PM

I could manage another one.I've taken a shine to op 67 no 3 in recent weeks so I'll give that a go if you like.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/16/12 01:54 PM

That's great, thnx, I'll edit the list smile
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/16/12 02:22 PM

Could you put me down for 38,1 as a second piece?
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/16/12 02:25 PM

Done it, thanks smile
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/16/12 07:06 PM

I'm torn in several directions but I'll settle on Op. 62 No.1, Wayne.
Posted by: supertorpe

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/16/12 07:28 PM

Hi Wayne, Have you considered writing the list in a collaborative editor? Thus, each participant can sign up directly, and everyone would have a single point where they can see and edit the list.
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/16/12 11:35 PM

I might consider doing a second one too! I'm just not sure which ones are possible for me to learn in 2-3 months. wrt a lot of what's left, I don't think I have a chance. :P It is sooo tempting though. I like 38/3 and 38/5, which i'm sure are too difficult---I'm also liking 85/1. Maybe someone else will choose some of those and relieve this temptation?
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/17/12 03:42 AM

I also want to add another piece. What I have to decide for myself is if I should choose one of the "unplayable" ones or take a piece I already know reasonably well.

At the present stage I go for one of the "safe" options, Op.53 no.2.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/17/12 04:39 AM

Originally Posted By: supertorpe
Hi Wayne, Have you considered writing the list in a collaborative editor? Thus, each participant can sign up directly, and everyone would have a single point where they can see and edit the list.


I thought about this too. A simple option, Wayne permitting, would be to allow any of us to copy paste the most recent list with his own update/ammendment which becomes the new latest list. Any abuse of the system -like me rubbing out Sam S's name against 38,6 and substituting my own - would be immediately apparent.

Posted by: LimeFriday

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/17/12 05:11 AM

I love 85/1 as well - but Valencia - if you want it - it's yours! So.... for a second piece - I'll go for Op 62 No 5. Thanks smile
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/17/12 08:19 AM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Since it's proving difficult to get all the pieces covered, I think we may as well open it up so participants can take more than one. There's been a few people wanting more than one, so go for it guys wink


Could you kindly jot me down for 102 #1.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/17/12 03:07 PM

Originally Posted By: supertorpe
Hi Wayne, Have you considered writing the list in a collaborative editor? Thus, each participant can sign up directly, and everyone would have a single point where they can see and edit the list.


I'm ok doing it this way, but thankyou.

I'll update the list soon peeps, cheers smile
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/17/12 04:45 PM

Hi Wayne, just to clarify. I would still like to keep Op 102 no.6 and no.1 will be my encore grin

Not replacement.

thx
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/17/12 06:33 PM

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major -
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/17/12 06:45 PM

I would love to be able to learn a second one, but I am being sorely challenged by my current one, reportedly the easiest of them all.

I'm currently stuck in the middle, trying to memorize the descending series of first inversion chords. I think I'm going to have to learn them one by one. First just one chord. Then two chords, over and over. Then three chords, over and over and over. Then four chords...

I don't understand how people who memorize easily do it.

And memorization, hard as it is for me, isn't even the biggest of my challenges on this.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/17/12 06:58 PM

Back to add: well go figure, I seem to have learned those two measures of descending first inversion chords after all, plus a bit of what follows. Worked it out carefully with what I remembered of them: by the names of their roots (appearing as the melody).

What I wonder is, does memorization ever get easier, or is it always like this? (I've been stuck at this point for a couple of weeks.) (Of course, when I say "like this", neither of us really knows what the other's mental experience of memorizing is. I hazard that my experience is completely unlike that of those who say they just play the piece enough, and pouf! it's memorized.)
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/17/12 07:04 PM

I soooooo need time to think, bk 2moz smile
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/17/12 11:16 PM

ok please sign me up for 85/1 as a second piece. smile (unless anyone else was really hoping to do that one).

i'm also playing around with 38/5 but I know I am dreaming about being able to play it. so no sign up on that one...at least for now...:P
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/18/12 03:15 PM

I've edited the list Valencia, cheers smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/19/12 11:37 AM

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor -DanS
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major -
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major -DanS

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/19/12 11:41 AM

Not many left folks smile
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/20/12 02:35 AM

Many of the remaining pieces are very difficult - comparable with Chopin etudes in my opinion. But there are still a couple less complicated songs available on the list.

Op.85 No.5 is a gem. It starts with a short introduction where the piano somehow simulates brass instruments. Then comes the melody which is a very typical Mendelssohn "choral" tune. At the end the introductory theme is repeated. The difficulty of this piece is not more than moderate. For people used to playing four part chorals it is rather easy.

Op.62 No.4 is another beautiful piece. Formally it resembles 85/5. The melody is very joyful, and the piece is comparable with 85/5 when comes to difficulty. I think both pieces are well suited for people who also play the organ.

Op.38 No.4 is another piece that isn't too technically demanding. I haven't paid much attention to it myself, but I think it is a nice piece.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/20/12 04:26 AM

Ganddalf, many thanks for your recommendations. I'm really struck by 85,5 and for the moment I would like to take that on in lieu of the 38,1 (ok, Wayne?).

These choices are sometimes far from straightforward. A seemingly easy piece may spring a tricky surprise just as the superficially diffcult may turn out to be very manageable after a bit of practice. And then again, if we're going to choose our own tempo, a piece can drop or rise a grade in difficulty. Either way, one sometimes has to sink a bit of time into a piece to know if it suits.

Incidentally, I noticed in an earlier post, amongst the pieces you thought difficult, you singled out op.38 no. 1. Can I ask, what troubles did you foresee in it? So far, I've just fumbled a poor reading of it so haven't been able to properly evaluate it but I know it must be demanding because it's rated grade 8 in at least one list along with the spinning song (!!) and a couple of others.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/20/12 05:22 AM

It turns out I have to mock myself with my own argument. I would prefer to stick with 38,1 - well at least, Wayne, you've no extra work to do on my behalf!

I've spent an hour or so playing through 85,5 and much as I like it, it doesn't give me enough to push against so I'll stay for the moment with my original choice.

To put it another way, disregard this and my previous post.

But I would echo Ganddalf's recommendations, 85,5 and 62,4 are not too ambitious and great practice for playing chords really tight and time-perfect.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/20/12 05:28 AM

I can't really remember that I made any statement about Op.38/1. Maybe I just mixed it up with another one (risky writing posts without the sheet music readily available). I think 38/1 is difficult, but not in the same class as the hardest ones. I don't emphasise the difficulty grades too much, since sometimes I find pieces with high grading manageable, while pieces with lower grading can be unplayable. Maybe because I have lots of experience playing four-part chorals, but at the same time I have very small hands. Among the remaining pieces I find the following ones in the "very difficult" to "extremely difficult" range:

Op.30 No.2 (Definitely requires bigger hands than mine)
Op.38 No.3 (I played through this one this morning at slow speed. Beautiful, but hard)
Op.53 No.3
Op,62 No.2 (Difficult when played fast. To me, however, it doesn't sound bad when played a bit slower than e.g. Barenboim)
Op.67 No.4
Op.85 No.3
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/20/12 05:58 AM

"difficult but not in the same class" - yes, quite so.

Your list pretty much reflects the pieces I rejected out of hand - mostly at presto, too fast for me to do any one of them justice.

Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/22/12 04:39 PM

For those who haven't noticed, there's some really helpful Mendelssohn analysis going on in;

zrtf90's Classical Sonata Analysis thread wink
Here
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/22/12 08:23 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
For those who haven't noticed, there's some really helpful Mendelssohn analysis going on in;

zrtf90's Classical Sonata Analysis thread wink
Here


Thanks, Wayne. Yes indeed, there is. I am certainly benefiting from it, currently with one of my Mendelsshohn selections -- Lord knows, I can use the help -- as has PianoStudent88.

We've taken a detour from the current Haydn analysis, specifically for some practical work on the Mendelssohn pieces.

So yes, please do, join the discussion (anyone/everyone) with your Mendelssohn (or other) selection, if you care to.
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/25/12 08:08 AM

How do you go guys?

I have to say that I’m into that group called “this is the hardest piece I’ve ever learned”. I’ve memorized the music score, except the last twelve bars which are a sort of recapitulation.

I play the piece slowly, about half speed and without musicality. This is being really hard, and I don’t know how far I can go. But I feel that am learning a lot with this song without words, which probably is the most important thing of these recitals.

Nevertheless I hope to speed up my tempo and get some musicality someday before the deadline smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/29/12 05:36 PM

Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year Recaredo smile You're not on your own with this one, I'm only at part 2 of mine (it's in three parts) and there is literally no musicality pmsl. I almost gave up, but "F-it" I'm just gonna keep goin' and take it more serious after xmas and new year. I'm hoping we can still get the pieces not taken, taken. If not, no worries, I still got my cunning stunt smile

Bk soon folks, after the festivish season wink
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/29/12 06:02 PM

Maybe we can ask our piano teachers to take on the more difficult ones so that we have the whole set.
Posted by: Pavel.K

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/30/12 04:23 AM

Happy New Year to all Recital fellows smile
I will keep only one song. It belongs to the easiest ones but still I will be glad it will not end catastrophically smile
I am "playing" just one year and without teacher so this is pretty steep cliff for me. Now I am somewhere in the middle of the song - that melody played with big chords is something new for me.
Good luck to all.
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 12/30/12 07:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Pavel.K
Happy New Year to all Recital fellows smile
I will keep only one song. It belongs to the easiest ones but still I will be glad it will not end catastrophically smile
I am "playing" just one year and without teacher so this is pretty steep cliff for me. Now I am somewhere in the middle of the song - that melody played with big chords is something new for me.
Good luck to all.


Good for you, Pavel for taking this on. It is a lovely piece and one you will be proud, I'm sure to have added to your line up. It sure does not sound easy to me (perhaps easier of the many challenging pieces.)

I would encourage you to join in the discussion on the Sonata analysis thread with this piece. You'd be amazed at the value in learning that can be achieved in viewing and understanding the work from a different perspective, as well as tremendous practice discipline advice.

At any rate, good luck to you as well. I am sure you will do a fabulous job, and I look forward to hearing it.
Posted by: IreneAdler

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/05/13 07:34 PM

~Wayne

I am not sure if I will be able to stay in the recital. Work on the piece is not going as well I had hoped. My teacher wants me to work on a piece by Beethoven instead. At my next lessson I will know for sure if I can continue working on the Mendlessohn piece and I will let you know whether or not I will be staying in the recital.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/05/13 08:24 PM

You can do this! I'm propper struggling too, but just keep at it, and you will get there smile see you at the recital wink
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/06/13 04:09 PM

I'm a little worried about my pieces, especially the second one I picked up --85/1. I think I will have to memorize it in order to play it as the left hand really moves along, but I don't know how I will memorize it! I know I should focus on small bits at a time, but all of the piece needs so much work, it's hard not to want to work on all of it all the time!
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/07/13 03:21 AM

If there are any left, can you assign me to a pretty easy one? I like Mendelssohn very much, but don`t know all his stuff!
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/07/13 05:09 AM

peterws, Op38/4 is the only manageable piece left at present. Make sure it appeals before you put your name to it.
'Pretty easy' is a relative term and I don't know what else you play.
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Valencia, I deduce from your post that memorising is not your modus operandi. This is a two page piece and doesn't need to be memorised. There's no page turning here.

Have you analysed this piece in any detail?

You might need to decide early on whether you're going to adopt the recommended fingering or as I would do, take the first two LH notes in 5-1 then the next four in 5-4-2-1 or 5-3-2-1. You might vary it throughout the score but my first step would be to cement the fingering for each bar individually over the first couple of days.

It's like a date, remember, fingering first! smile

The timing strategy you adopt for the second half of M3 you should be using throughout (i.e. wherever it occurs (M8, 11, 18, etc) and especially 34).

I get the climax in M22 so the section M17-25 would be the first port of call for me. M23-25 are not difficult so get them out of the way first, let's say day 1. M17-19 on day 2 (however long these days turns out to be), M19-21 on day 3 and M17-25 on day 4. During those "4" days (could be 14 - it doesn't matter just complete each bit before moving on) play once or twice through the section HS before settling down to HT practise of your days quota of two or three measures. This phrase can then be repeated as a unit two or three times (dead slow, medium, slow) each day until all your phrases have been done.

As soon as your fingers feel like they're getting this and they're going to increase the tempo, get your metronome out and train to them to maintain tempo at a speed that prevents mistakes.

Remember if you want to get this up to speed that you must practise it slowly. Put the speed in HS and you won't screw it up when your hands are ready to fly. Disregard the deadline completely. When it comes along record at the tempo you're at. Just accept it at that speed, don't try to play at a predetermined speed and expect your playing to catch up. It doesn't work like that.

The left hand really moving along may sound fast before you can actually play it but, trust me, it's not that fast once it's in your fingers. Chill.

Next phrase for me would be M30-39. I wasn't sure, audiating, whether the climax came here or in M22 but it didn't take many actual plays through to determine. But this phrase is a little trickier for me. Again M36-39 are relatively easy and can be sorted out first. Then take your time on M33-36. Just take it dead slow and have every key covered before you play it. When you know the notes and don't have to think the tempo will suddenly come up. And again, once you've got this play it each day after M17-25.

You should have essentially 'cracked' the piece at this stage. The rest is the same thing but with different notes plus the last few easy measures.

I get M17-25, M30-39, M1-5, M6-10, M10-13, M14-17, M40-50 and finally, to avoid joining the two difficult sections too soon, M25-29. Once all these are playable individually against a slow metronome I would take M1-17, M17-25, M25-39 and M40-50.

Don't put pressure on yourself. My guess is that once you've cracked those first two sections you could pretty much play this piece from the score without any major upsets (but don't!).
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/07/13 07:53 AM

It`s a lovely piece, I`d be chuffed to play that!

It's like a date, remember, fingering first! . . heh heh you must be my age, lad!
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/07/13 09:42 AM

I`ve indicated to ZRTF90 that I`ll be OK for op38-4. Just to let ya know, if that`s ok by you, Cheers Pete
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/07/13 01:03 PM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
As soon as your fingers feel like they're getting this and they're going to increase the tempo, get your metronome out and train to them to maintain tempo at a speed that prevents mistakes.


I didn't feel quite ready for the time machine yet, for the sections where I have somewhat of a handle on all the notes/chords. But, after reading this post I decided to give it a whirl.

I am delighted to say it was positively enlightening. Areas where I was having the most difficulty was mostly due to incorrect counting/timing which is corrected now and back on track. I should have done this sooner.

Nowhere near the promised land yet, but I can at least envision it on the horizon.

A truly motivational and uplifting breakthrough.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/07/13 02:53 PM

Added you peterws, thanx wink

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor -DanS
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major - peterws
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major -DanS

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/07/13 04:20 PM

Richard, thank you so much for your post. It is extremely helpful. I just did a little practicing as you suggested, focusing only on those few bars (22-25). It will take me more than a day though to get them into my head and fingers. My head is thick when it comes to memorizing. I'd love to memorize everything, but find it extremely challenging for many pieces.

I spent 20-25 min going over those bars just now. The fingering was tricky with the RH (the shifts in fingers while on the same note). Also, I needed to figure out which notes in the triplets to play with the RH. So sussing all that out took some time. But today I felt like i was actually practicing, instead of just going over the piece again and again and getting nowhere. I do think it will take me several days to get those bars into my head though.

I tried a similar approach to the 30/1 this afternoon, focusing on bars 32-35, and then with my Rach prelude (32/12) bars 1-8. Each of those little sections, in all of those pieces, needs so much work!
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/07/13 07:21 PM

I'm glad it was helpful, Valencia.

Changing the fingers can be tricky if you don't practise it as a specific movement. If you're changing from 3 to 4 on the first F in M23, RH, for example, practise just that half bar with the change occuring on the second LH triplet. Practise each of those half bars up to the first note in each hand of the next beat (seven triplets in LH, three quavers in RH).

At about 1 to 2 seconds per triplet you should be able to practise each half bar 7-10 times in two or three minutes each and do two measures in 15-20 minutes, mark it in your journal then move on to another piece. After ten reps sleep should do more than further practise. Give it a try, record your progress and see how you do.

Because the half bars are so much shorter they'll be easier to memorise, too. When the half measures are fluent join them up to whole bars, then two bars, etc.

It's not important how long this takes you because you're acquiring technique that will be useful throughout the piece. Be patient with yourself and don't chase deadlines. The rest of the piece will flow much more smoothly.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/08/13 04:27 PM

Reporting in: I have got my piece all memorized, and tied together, and able to play at a not-too-unreasonable tempo, with dynamics and pedal.

There is a section which usually messes me up when I try to increase the tempo with the metronome, though. But I find that only practicing that section doesn't obviously bring improvement, because the problem happens when I try to combine it with other sections. Very puzzling. I think I need to practice thinking ahead to that section while I'm playing the other sections, so I'll be ready for it. Or maybe playing into that section from other sections, but only one chord in. And then backing up and playing up to two chords in, and so on. Or maybe I need to overpractice just that one section after all, and bring it up to a tempo quite a bit faster than I ultimately plan to play it. So many possibilities...

Also, from playing the piece very slowly as I was learning it, it actually sounds quite reasonable to me at a very slow, slower-than-Lento, pace (judging by the metronome markings in the Satie Gymnopédies), but this piece is supposed to be Adagio. I know tempo is contextual, but this puzzles me.

Finally, I'm only making sporadic progress at reliably voicing the melody, so I think I need to make up some exercises for myself and just practice voicing all alone, separate from this piece (since this kind of separate practice seems to be an M.O. that works for me). Perhaps playing well-voiced triads and seventh chords up and down the scale.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/08/13 04:36 PM

Wayne, that piece o` Mendels .. .op38/4; really really lovely! Enjoying putting it together, it was a good choice for my capabilities. Cheers, man!
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/08/13 06:59 PM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
There is a section which usually messes me up when I try to increase the tempo with the metronome
Firstly, it doesn't mess you up - you do the messing up. Secondly, don't try to increase the tempo. You will know when you can play it faster - though you may need some experience to know when you know!

The metronome doesn't speed you up; this is a common misconception. Playing slowly speeds you up! The metronome is to keep you in time at a tempo slow enough that you can play error free.

Increase the metronome when it's holding you up. Don't increase the metronome and try to keep up with it.

When you first learn a piece you may need to play at an inordinately slow tempo in order to practise moving every finger individually into place (micro-control). As the muscular actions become familiar they can be done more fluidly as a sequence or series of actions (macro-control) and the tempo will not gradually climb but jump up.

With continued slow practise the movements will gradually become automatic, without you consciously having to think or plan the sequences. At this stage the tempo will again jump up (sub-conscious control) and the brain can instead be actively monitoring the fine detail in expression, phrasing and so on.

If you use the metronome frequently you may find that at the first stage you are playing too slowly to need a metronome then suddenly you find yourself fluent. At this point you can start using the metronome to control your tempo until you can play faster.

I find that I plod along at half tempo for a good while but once I start 'getting it' the tempo goes from half speed to recital speed in a day or two.

The typical method of using a metronome is to drop back a couple of clicks when you start introducing errors - not play at that too fast rate until you get it. In other words, you practise at a slower tempo than you can play. What is not often realised is that playing below even that speed has exactly the same effect but with the reduced possibility of introducing errors.

If you're struggling to raise the pulse on one of your pieces, try setting the metronome slower for a week and try again at the weekend. Going from 108 bpm to 120 isn't done by pushing on to 112 bpm but by dropping back to 96 bpm.

Playing faster isn't about pushing the boundaries, it's about putting in the repetitions without error.
Posted by: BeccaBb

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/08/13 07:06 PM

Richard, hope you don't mind but I have copied that post onto my computer for future reference. That is the most detailed description yet! I was doing it all wrong!

Thank you! +1!!!!
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/08/13 08:08 PM

Thanks again Richard for the tip about working on half a bar at a time. I did that today for measures 22-25 and got quite close to being able to play them through from memory, which is encouraging. I'll keep working away like this at the sections and try not to worry about any deadline for the recital.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/08/13 08:16 PM

Richard, thank you for the clarifications and explanations! Must. curb. my. impatience.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/09/13 02:04 PM

I'm glad your happy with your choice peterws smile

Richard, thnx for helping everyone out, you're a star smile

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor -DanS
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major - peterws
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major -DanS

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener

Come on guys, just 13 peices left, would be great to get them all covered by PW world members...... how about anyone from the Mr.S.H crew?
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/09/13 02:05 PM

or the non-member lurkers...... get yourselves registered and signed up, it's really a great experience smile
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/09/13 03:54 PM

I have a vague feeling that this has been discussed here earlier, but I couldn't find anything by quick browsing in this rather long thread. Is it a requirement to have video recordings of our performance? This complicates matters a bit for me, as the only video recording device I have gives poor sound quality, while my Zoom sound recorder gives quite good sound, but no pictures.
What are you other participants using? I could consider acquiring a new video recorder, but it shouldn't be too expensive. Any suggestions?
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/09/13 04:10 PM

You could merge the audio from your Zoom device, and the video from your camera, together using windows movie maker wink Or just make a picture slide-show like Recaredo does, or purchase a new video camera, it's entirely up to you smile
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/09/13 04:14 PM

Hi Ganddalf, I believe there are a few people in the same boat. Me for one, with no video. The good news is ... looks like there are some easy work-arounds. Yes, there was some previous discussion and I have dug up a few notes from this, that follow here ...

Originally Posted By: zrtf90

Wayne, is there an easy way to convert an mp3 file to a, er, whatever YouTube uses file or do we need to supply visuals (like me in my ABBA costume smile )?


Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs

Failing to record a video (In full Abba dresscode), you could make a slideshow with some pics, using windows movie maker, like Recaredo did for his M1 piece. Then convert it to flv (flash). I use Freestudiomanager.

http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/free-dvd-video-software.htm


Originally Posted By: Greener

Please let me know what you decide to do for this, Richard. I didn't realize in the beginning this recital was video only submissions. So, now trying to figure out a strategy as well.
...
My preference will be to actually get a camera and the whole deal, but to do it right will be pricy I'm finding and is not likely going to happen in this time frame.


Originally Posted By: zrtf90

I won't be getting a camera, Jeff, I'm not expecting to get anything more than a black/blank screen while the mp3 file plays! Maybe a picture of a coffin! (I'm doing the funeral march)
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/09/13 04:17 PM

Hm... The Movie Maker option seems to be most appealing option. I'll check it out.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/09/13 04:40 PM

Do you guy's consider we should make a "Themed Recital Index" Thread? Say starting with themed recital 1, 2 .... this one, and then possible future ones? Maybe just the Recitals (without feedback) So it's like an index of our achievments. What you reckon?
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/09/13 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
or the non-member lurkers...... get yourselves registered and signed up, it's really a great experience smile


Have you LOOKED at the titles of the ones left?

Allegro,
Allegro di molto,
Presto e molto vivace,
AGITATO !

Gordon Bennett !!! (no, that's not in the title smile )

I think any lurkers would have to be super courageous to take on any of those!

However, it really does look like the list is near completion!
Looking forward to the mega recital!
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/09/13 05:55 PM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly

Have you LOOKED at the titles of the ones left?

Allegro,
Allegro di molto,
Presto e molto vivace,
AGITATO !

Gordon Bennett !!! (no, that's not in the title smile )

I think any lurkers would have to be super courageous to take on any of those!



You only live once CasinItaly, wink
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/09/13 07:35 PM

Considering that it's an ABF project I think we've done well enough to get where we are already. The remaining pieces are not ABF material unless you already know them or are confident of getting them in the time available.

You've done an admirable recruiting job, Wayne, and deserve a special mention for that.

But I don't think we need an index. This should be a fun thing, easy pieces that won't interfere with the normal ABF recitals or the curriculum of people who are paying for lessons with a teacher.

Since the objective is to increase the bond between fellows in the ABF, extending beyond the ABF shouldn't be required and especially not to just fill up the numbers.

Aiming for 48 unique pieces, and their being of such a high standard (though I know of a harder collection of 48), when the ABF recitals don't go much beyond that was a long shot and I think you've done a splendid job recruiting the numbers we have so far. The problem I see is that willing folks have been turned away by the high entry bar (and many of them are folks I'd be happy to bond with).

I've enjoyed helping others on this (thanks for the recognition, btw), and that's building bonds for me - I wouldn't even feel the need to participate in the performance to feel part of it - but I've had to struggle through a few of these pieces in limited time to make sure I wasn't giving the wrong advice and it's eaten into my own repertory development.

One of these books, or even his Op. 72, would have been fun in the RST but simpler is better for the ABF as a whole.

This is an excellent starter and I commend you for it but if you're thinking of more in the future The Anna Magdalena Notebook, Burgmüller's Op. 100 or Bartok's Mikrokosmos might be more suitable vehicles (with duplicates allowed). I expect many of the new beginners might even enjoy hearing how their peers (or more experienced players) do with some of the Alfred's pieces without the stress of the more serious ABF recitals. Or our own arrangement of the Ode to Joy.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/10/13 03:53 AM

Is there something about "Allegro" "Agitato" and "Presto" that people don`t like? heh heh
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/11/13 07:15 PM

Turns out I can play my piece faster and more reliably using the score. On the other hand, I wouldn't be able to find all the notes so well if I hadn't done the deep work required for memorization.

So I am confused about memorization. So many other people seem to only be able to play, and play much better, when working purely from memory, and/or find the score to be mostly useless after the initial deciphering. It doesn't seem to be like that for me. Am I still missing something about memorizing? Am I unusual in finding the score so helpful?

("Faster" is relative: 30 bpm vs. 20 bpm or less.)
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/11/13 07:26 PM

I find I only need the score if I don't know what's going off! Thats why I liked the Philip Glass metamorphosis pieces, because they are easy to understand. The Satie recital was a case of listening and copying from the score, as for is this Mendelssohn recital, for me. I'm considering asking Richard for his help smile understanding must be key smile
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/11/13 07:33 PM

I gave up memorizing complete scores a couple of years ago. I'm too old and life's too short (I'm starting my 6th year back at the piano - I can't believe it's been that long). I only memorize the hardest parts where I have to look at my hands, and I don't work at that - it just sort of happens after practicing over and over.

The pros memorize everything because it is expected of them. I'm playing for fun and my own enjoyment. Memorizing complete scores just adds too much stress. I developed my reading skills so it wasn't an issue and I'm much happier for it.

Sam
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/11/13 08:43 PM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Turns out I can play my piece faster and more reliably using the score.


I'm happy to report that I am reading along nicely on 102,no.6 to this day. For Op 102 no. 1 though ... not a chance. Everything is being memorized as quickly as possible and just using the score to fix areas.

It is not to perfect the performance that I am doing this, but rather a necessity. I learned to play long before I learned to read. Reading (at this level) is just developing now. 102 no. 1, is WAY over my head to read and play at the same time. Even at practice tempo.
Posted by: pianoslacker

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/12/13 04:47 AM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90


... in the future... Bartok's Mikrokosmos



The advantage of this would be that there's a piece in there appropriate to probably every single member of PW, either in their comfort zone or at their most ambitious.

I'd put myself down for Book 1 No.1 smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/12/13 10:08 AM

Is that these?

"links removed"
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/12/13 10:53 AM

- if you're taking in nominations how about Grieg's lyric pieces, lots to choose from and for a broad range of abilities.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/12/13 11:05 AM

We will go with the majority vote, thnx Dire tonic wink

Grieg's Lyric pieces
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/12/13 12:04 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
I'm considering asking Richard for his help smile understanding must be key smile
I may be busy that weekend! smile

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
We will go with the majority vote...
We might aim for consensus first as that may garner more participants. Are we going to finish the Mendelssohn one first?
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/12/13 12:16 PM

I think that would be best smile

and I seriously don't know where to start analising Op.85 no.2
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/12/13 01:29 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
I think that would be best smile

and I seriously don't know where to start analising Op.85 no.2
Where are you with 85/2?

What's your biggest or most immediate problem?

And what else in descending order of gravity?
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/12/13 02:03 PM

I've got Part I and II memorised, almost, and relatively slowly. I've just started on part III. I can hear the melody when playing part I, but only fractions of the melody in part II. I'm hoping to get there, my main weakness is understanding what's going on, I've no idea, I'm just reading and playing the notes in the right places. So I'm just sort of copying what's there, and not really learning anything.

I've tried analising it like you guys in the sonata thread, but with no luck, I'm lost after measure one lol smile
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/12/13 02:05 PM

- Thanks for posting the link, Wayne. There’s a mixture of performances there not all of which quite whet the appetite ....I'd recommend the curious to check out youtube also...


Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/12/13 02:07 PM

will do Diretonic smile
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/12/13 02:51 PM

wayne, what measure numbers mark off parts I, II and III for you in 85/2?

Can you find and play the melody all by itself? At which measures is it hard to find?

Some other questions are: what key is it in? Do you hear any phrases within the larger sections? Are there any repeated patterns? At what measures does the piece deviate from the overall pattern?

It's OK if you don't know any of these -- just say so if so. I'm looking for a baseline to start from.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/12/13 02:52 PM

I've gone over to the sonata thread smile Yeah, I can pick out the melody to part I, but not part II smile
Posted by: pianoslacker

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/12/13 04:20 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Is that these? ...



Nice - I didn't even realise they were available online like that. The first dozen or so were the first things I tried on piano. I guess if people decided to go with this for a recital, I'd try and find one that was the right kind of challenge, rather than just do No.1 like I said. smile Personally though, I'd hope that was a little way off.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/12/13 04:28 PM

I think I may up for Book 1, Number 1. I may have to practise my C major scale first.

I thought they were still in copyright, Wayne. Is that site kosher?
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/12/13 04:43 PM

"Links removed"

Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/14/13 10:54 AM

So darned glad I picked OP 38 4 and not 5 . . .Oh boy!!!!!!!!!!! Listen to it on Youtube . . at least you can snip the music off the screen . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuhfY5cInSI
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/14/13 05:26 PM

Pmsl Peterws wink
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/14/13 08:34 PM

Does pms mean what I think?
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/15/13 02:36 AM

I wonder if I can sign up for a third piece. Since I have been playing quite a few of the Mendelssohn's Songs Without Words for years, the challenge of participating at this recital isn't awfully great. In fact I already had a recording of one of my two pieces when I first signed up.

The piece I'm considering is the E-major Presto, Op.38/3. I attempted to play this piece twenty years ago and gave up after a few attempts. But during the last couple of weeks I have worked a bit on it and I think I can manage it within some weeks from now. My abilty of learning new stuff has apparently become better after I turned 60.

Of course, if somebody else want to play Op.38/3 I will not stand in their way. But if this song remains free, I can continue working on it (certainly I can do this anyhow - it is a most beautiful piece). What do you think? Is three pieces too much for one performer within the frames of this recital?
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/15/13 07:38 AM

I would say pieces that are unclaimed at this stage, Ganddalf, are not going to be fought over and alternative interpretations are a good thing anyway. Why else do we do this thing (playing classical music)?

At worst, Wayne can turn down your submission - or phsl at the thought. smile

Knock yourself out, as they say.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/15/13 09:58 AM

I just don't want to give the impression that I'm a great Mendelssohn specialist and I want to avoid dominating too much. But Op.38/3 is a very nice piece, and somebody should play it.

Maybe I should just continue working with it without reserving it. And if it is still not taken when the recital draws near I can sign up for it then.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/15/13 11:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Maybe I should just continue working with it without reserving it. And if it is still not taken when the recital draws near I can sign up for it then.

I believe that's what Wayne is doing with 53/3, 67/4 and 85/3. smile

If there weren't so many to choose from we'd have either had multiple plays of each piece or people turned away and who wants to have people turned away?

It's the participation that counts and the camaraderie of shared effort.

I don't think we need all the pieces done at the expense of not being able to pick one or two personal favourites and I'd have preferred to have many interpretations of popular pieces than one each of less favoured choices although it has had the bonus of all 48 being subjected to very careful listening and I have personally profited from that.

My Mendelssohn repertoire thus far had consisted of his Christmas pieces and his Scherzo in E minor. Although I've heard all these before, and have them on CD, I've not really listened.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/15/13 05:56 PM

Go for it Ganddalf, wink I did notice your previous Mendelssohn thread, and wondered! (is there an emoticon with rolling eyes?)
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/16/13 09:34 AM

Well, at least I decided studying the piece. I can't guarantee that I manage to learn it well enough before the deadline, but I give it a try.
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/16/13 12:37 PM

I see you all are working on your pieces very hard. That’s encouraging.


I’ve memorized the whole sheet music, and am getting some musicality with my playing, or at least I’d like to think so. But I still play my piece slowly (about half tempo of a proper andante).

Sometimes I believe that I will be able to get a decent performance, but other times I think this work is too difficult for my piano level and finally my recording will end up sounding ridiculous. Yes, I know these are typical thoughts from a beginner.

So I find very hopeful Richard’s comments about practicing at slow tempo constantly. Maybe these advices work for me as well smile.
Posted by: IreneAdler

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/17/13 12:01 AM

Well after another discussion with my teacher today, I have decided it is only proper to withdraw my name from the recital as he would like me to focuse on other pieces for the moment; he says we take up the Mendelssohn piece another time. While I am really quite dismayed at the prospect of this, I had hoped to finally participate in PW recital, I respect his opinion and I know he would not suggest this without reason. If I had more experience with Mendelssohn's "Songs" I would consider the idea of working on my own, but I fear this would only result in a half-baked version of the piece. I have too much respect for Mendelssohn and this forum to submit a subpar version. I shall have wait for the next themed recital. C'est la vie!
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/17/13 06:56 AM

You might find some relevant info in the sonata analysis thread, Recaredo. Especially the last couple of days on Wayne's piece, Op. 85/2.

Don't forget to throw in a question if you have any problems. It doesn't interrupt the thread.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/17/13 07:01 AM

The piece you chose, Irene, was not insignificant. The choice of material was very difficult for the ABF and many eager players were unable to participate. Thanks for your effforts and don't feel bad. You teacher knows what's best for you and wouldn't have put the brakes on without good reason.

There will be other Themed Recitals in the future with much lower entry requirements.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/17/13 07:44 AM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
The piece you chose, Irene, was not insignificant. The choice of material was very difficult for the ABF and many eager players were unable to participate. Thanks for your effforts and don't feel bad. You teacher knows what's best for you and wouldn't have put the brakes on without good reason.

There will be other Themed Recitals in the future with much lower entry requirements.


Great words of encouragement for Irene - and great news about future Themed Recitals smile
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/17/13 10:37 AM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
You might find some relevant info in the sonata analysis thread, Recaredo. Especially the last couple of days on Wayne's piece, Op. 85/2.

Don't forget to throw in a question if you have any problems. It doesn't interrupt the thread.



Thanks Richard! I'll keep it in mind!
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/17/13 12:57 PM

Sorry to lose you IreneAdler frown

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor -DanS
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major - musicusblau
No. 4 Andante in A major - peterws
No. 5 Agitato in A minor - EmilioAlvarezCid
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major -
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor - musicusblau
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major -DanS

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major - Oleg Yakerevich
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major - Alan Chan

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major - Ganddalf
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/17/13 01:24 PM

I spotted the vistors, Wayne smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/17/13 02:12 PM

Yep, I've 9 more participants to find, off I go smile
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/18/13 09:42 AM

Ganddalf I'll look forward to hearing you play Mendelssohn with your experience as foundation. This is my first real foray into his music and I'm enjoying it but it's not an easy process for sure. My teacher "doesn't like" this one I'm working on (53#4) which is a de-motivator. I've played long enough to work on it on my own and I'll work with her once I've mastered the fingering and have a reasonable tempo. She'll help me when she knows I'm set on the piece. Over the years I've come to accept that she is VERY opinionated about the music. I never take popular or rock music to my lessons. She had never heard of stairway to heaven but we've known each other for 30 years so I appreciate her musical knowledge and learn on other music.

Progress report: At this point, I'm able to play it but still have glitchy phrases and I'm only at half tempo. My soul just moves more slowly I guess. :-)
Posted by: stumbler

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/18/13 05:05 PM


While, it's not one of the Songs Without Words, Album Leaf Op. 117 is a song without words. Would there be any possibility in including it?

I've been working on it for a few months now. It's memorized, but still way short of performance quality. Currently I'm trying to rework the fingering so that I stop destroying my left hand.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/18/13 05:57 PM

Ha ha was just looking at op38 3. I see you`re interested, Ganddalf. I`ve just listened to it. . . .`nuff said!

Go for it man . . .too deep for me. Really is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyALSs4nRvE
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/18/13 07:20 PM

Oh no!! , what am I like? sorry Ganddalf, it's YOURS if you want it smile
Posted by: timmyab

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/18/13 08:22 PM

Have we got a date for this one yet?
I could probably squeeze another one in if it's going to be a couple of months.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/19/13 09:25 AM

Wayne, I don't insist on playing 38/3. Actually it is on the hard side for me. And I can still practice it and use it on a later occation.

However, I see that 85/5 is still free. You can put me up on that one.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/19/13 01:16 PM

Will do Ganddalf wink

Originally Posted By: timmyab
Have we got a date for this one yet?
I could probably squeeze another one in if it's going to be a couple of months.


At least a couple of months smile
Posted by: timmyab

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/19/13 03:26 PM

I'll make a start on op 53 no 1 then.Leave the slot open though in case anyone else wants to have a go at one of the less difficult pieces, I've had two goes already.If nobody claims the piece I should still have time to get it up to speed.
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/24/13 09:27 AM

Need some help here please. I've pretty much achieved 53#4 under my fingers. It looked easier than it played with my less than flexible fingers.

It says adagio. It is in 9/8 time. If I set the metronome at 3 beats so that I'm hearing a beat at every eighth note HOW FAST should I set the metronome? I'm assuming that it is adagio to the quarter note but it could be adagio to the dotted quarter note too I guess. I'd like it to be reflective not too fast and certainly not a dirge.
Posted by: timmyab

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/24/13 10:12 AM

I haven't studied the piece, but a quick run through one handed style has me playing at about eighth note = 100.That feels right to me.Up to 110 sounds fine, beyond that sounds hurried to me.
Edit.An eighth note is a quaver, is that right?So here we have nine eighth notes to the bar?
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/24/13 10:18 AM

About eighth note = 100 should get you started, then you can speed up. But the ultimate tempo depends on how it sounds to you - listening to your own playing is key.

Sam

Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
Need some help here please. I've pretty much achieved 53#4 under my fingers. It looked easier than it played with my less than flexible fingers.

It says adagio. It is in 9/8 time. If I set the metronome at 3 beats so that I'm hearing a beat at every eighth note HOW FAST should I set the metronome? I'm assuming that it is adagio to the quarter note but it could be adagio to the dotted quarter note too I guess. I'd like it to be reflective not too fast and certainly not a dirge.
Posted by: timmyab

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/24/13 11:08 AM

Just had a look on the awesome Spotify and as far as I can tell the pros play it at between 2.08 and 3.00 with most in the 2.20 to 2.40 range.My maths isn't great but I think eighth note = 100 would be 2.42 and = 110 would be about 2.27.
The fastest and slowest versions sound wrong to me so I'd say between 100 and 115 would be about right assuming my maths is correct.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/24/13 11:41 AM

If it's in 9/8, wouldn't you set your beat to be dotted quarter, not eighth note?
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/24/13 01:12 PM

There's a youtube recording of Urska Babic (3m 05) that's faster than my recording of Ilse von Alpenheim (3m 24).

A greater tone can facilitate a slower performance. My ABRSM score recommends quaver = 104.

Dotted quarters would be under 40 bpm. That's too slow for keeping to a metronome without a lot of practise.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/24/13 02:52 PM

Nice to see you guys are getting on with your pieces smile

Review:

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor -DanS
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major - musicusblau
No. 4 Andante in A major - peterws
No. 5 Agitato in A minor - EmilioAlvarezCid
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major -
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor - musicusblau
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major -DanS

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major - Oleg Yakerevich
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major - Oleg Yakerevich
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major - Alan Chan

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major - Ganddalf
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/25/13 07:18 AM

Thank you all for the suggestions on tempo for 53#4. 100 to the quarter/quaver FEELS good to me as far as the sentiment of the piece. Not sure I'll get there. I'm at about 84 now and working on musical expression.
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/25/13 05:40 PM

I see there are only six pieces left. Great job Wayne!
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/26/13 11:11 AM

Thnx Recaredo, this is for sure the hardest recital EVER lol wink How you going with yours?

Who's idea was this? Ha ha smile
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/26/13 05:40 PM

It should be possible to find some young talented person wanting to do the "Spinnerlied", Op 67/4. This is one of the most famous SWWs, and it would be a pity if it wasn't performed by anyone.

In fact there are at least two of the remaining pieces that are not awfully difficult. Op 102/5 should be within range for many of the participants. And then we have Op. 67/6 which is a beautiful piece. I can't say much about the remaining ones, but I think they are rather hard, at least when played at full tempo.
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/26/13 07:30 PM

I continue playing my piece slowly. My hands seem to be more relaxed now, although I still feel some wrist tension. A lot of work for only three minutes of music! smile
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/27/13 02:31 AM

"It is in 9/8 time."

Would it not be easier having the metronome at 3/4 time and altering the speed accordingly?
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/29/13 09:54 AM

I've reached an important (I think) milestone with Op 102 No 1. I now have the entire piece memorized with only some brief hesitation in one area leading up to the coda. This is a relief as I can now begin enjoying the piece more and work on pedal, expression, tempo etc etc.

I agree, Racaredo about being a lot of work for 3 minutes of music. It has taken me 40 days of practice to get to this point and of course, it is no where near being suitable for presentation just yet.

This has indeed been the most challenging project I've ever taken on. But it is going a long way in improving other areas of my playing in general and my reading ability. I am very happy to be participating.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/29/13 12:02 PM

Congrats Greener, sounds like you're getting on well. I'm on the verge of having mine memorised, but have got a rediculous way to go as playabilty is concerned, lol. But it will be worth it, think, we get to beable to play our pieces, forever, at will smile
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/29/13 12:40 PM

I've been a little lazy with 102 3 as I let a couple of parts trip me up initially. I'm finally starting to get into this piece. Here's to hoping it will be up to presto!

Recaredo, that piece took me a while, too. Soon it will just click, I promise!
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/30/13 07:12 AM

My piece 53#4 is starting to run in my head so I know it's being absorbed. Somehow though I never quite trust "memorized" or playing with no music in front of me. At the same time I know it well enough to read several measures ahead and know what's coming. It is musical enough to please my husband but no where near ready to record for PW. I'm finding measures with little challenges and working on them. The 3rd and 4th measures continue to have gremlins. It's a very intense and emotional piece. I've had three dear friends just diagnosed with various forms of cancer which hurts the soul for sure. This piece captures some of that reflection on life and our frailties.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 01/31/13 02:38 PM

Sounds like it's gonna be an emotional piece Wisebuff, I'm looking forward to hearing it smile
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/01/13 07:05 PM

An update from me:

This evening I’ve tried to speed up my playing, but I make many mistakes and the piece sounds like a sort of military march! Obviously I’ll have to slow down again.

You know, Mendelssohn is Mendelssohn and I’m an absolute beginner grin.

Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/02/13 10:30 AM

Keep at it folks, we will get there smile
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/07/13 04:51 PM

When is the recording to be in by? Does it have to show the piano/performer or will a Youtube type presentation do?
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/09/13 09:26 AM

Whenever you are ready Peterws, I'm at least a month away before any attempt at recording. And your video is entirely up to you, what ever you want, let your imagination run wild wink
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/12/13 02:33 PM

How are things going for folk? smile
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/12/13 03:30 PM

I have already made some test recordings. Just sound, no video. But there is a chance that I may borrow equipment to make a video with good sound quality as well. It all depends on how much time I'm going to have for recording.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/12/13 03:40 PM

There's loadsa time Ganddalf, sounds like you are well ahead, good going friend smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/12/13 03:41 PM

How far are other participants? It would be good to hear wink
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/12/13 04:17 PM

I've been aiming at the end of March for some time, Wayne. 62/3 is running to schedule.

62/1 will be a little (lots) behind the tempo because of M26-33 but all good otherwise. Bags of expression but you might need a good memory to appreciate it! smile
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/12/13 04:20 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
How far are other participants? It would be good to hear wink


One of mine is as ready as it is going to get - just not recorded yet. That process is like pulling teeth...

The second one is almost under my fingers - it's a real finger-twister.

Sam
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/12/13 04:53 PM

My pieces are far from recordable. frown Guess I should have only taken on one piece not two. My hope is to be able to play as opposed to stumble through each. (So, not expecting to play them 'well' as that would be aiming too high given the time-line). One problem will be the red dot. it is one thing for me to play through without recording, but with the red dot, I will have to know the piece even better just to be able to play. I'm a bit concerned that I won't be able to pull it off.
Posted by: timmyab

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/12/13 08:36 PM

I've recorded a couple of them.One's o.k ish the other one's not so good.
I've only got a rubbish video camera that records for a maximum of three minutes so I kind of feel the tension when I'm recording.It feels more like a live performance than I'm used to.I set the recording equipment running and then I have to perform.I know I can have another go but I'm always conscious it's there especially towards the end when the tension gets worse and the only thing going through my head is 'Don't make a mistake Tim'.Having to perform under a tiny bit of pressure is probably a good thing to learn though.
My third piece is nearly in memory, probably about a month off being recordable.
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/12/13 10:17 PM

All systems go. I was a bit concerned about getting my audio files into a video streaming format. I had a go at this today with Op 102 no 6. As it turns out, movie maker was already loaded on my operating system and it wasn't so much to figure out. I hope we're not being scored for video creativeness though, ... it's quite lame. But otherwise I'm happy it's working and ready to be ready at any time.
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/13/13 12:32 AM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
How far are other participants? It would be good to hear wink

I still have a ways to go, but I should have more time to spend on it now that SuperBowl and Mardi Gras are done. I can get through it, but not very fast, and definitely not evenly. I'm going to start seriously working on it again after I get my recital piece recorded this week (I hope). But it'll happen. Hopefully I'll get it to Presto. If not, I will settle for something close smile
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/13/13 03:59 AM

I recorded two versions, I have two differing piano sounds on my little Digital. When I did `em, thought they were rubbish. But on relistening, I reckon it`s as good as I`ll ever get . . .So I`ll have to think about the vid! Can I mime to that ha ha (Joe King)
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/13/13 04:19 AM

67-2 is sort-of finished but for expression - still experimenting. Fascinating listening to and watching the pros play. There’s a staggering variety of interpretation most of which is new to me and needs to be unravelled. A teacher would help here. S/he’d say “do this” or “do that” . OTOH without a teacher one is forced to listen critically so I see that as a beneficial trade-off. I’m trying to resist being plagiaristic - there are temptations although a lot of it is out of reach technically.

Still quite a bit more to do on 38-1. On the face of it it’s a less difficult piece but the chord voicings while simple are erratic so this is making heavier work for memorising and particularly fingering.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/13/13 05:41 AM

I think we`ve all been challenged here in some way or another. For my own part, I`m having to read as I play; I don`t think I`d be able to manage without the music as a prompt. . . that`s a tad unusual for me
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/13/13 07:39 AM

Progress report: not anywhere close to recording. I put it up for a week and started again yesterday. The tricky passage is coming along nicely with the break from it (sometimes that works...don't know why). I'll be focusing on the flow of the whole piece. Should be presentable by end of March for sure.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/13/13 08:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Valencia
My pieces are far from recordable. frown Guess I should have only taken on one piece not two. My hope is to be able to play as opposed to stumble through each. (So, not expecting to play them 'well' as that would be aiming too high given the time-line). One problem will be the red dot. it is one thing for me to play through without recording, but with the red dot, I will have to know the piece even better just to be able to play. I'm a bit concerned that I won't be able to pull it off.



Just keep at them Valencia, you will get there. smile As for the red dot, Have you tried recording a session, so like play a few of your favourite pieces, then try the one your wanting to record, I find that helps wink
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/13/13 08:24 AM

It sounds like we are all having some difficulties/tricky bits, in one way or another, I see it that overcomming these is a great acheivement and a reward in itself for our efforts, keep up the good work folks smile And no need to worry over time, we will be ready when we are all ready, we're in this together wink

Really looking forward this going live, as I'm sure many here on PW are, smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/13/13 08:29 AM

Richard, we have the highest expectations from your performance......... no pressure wink
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/13/13 08:31 AM

No worries, mate. I'm relying on your "when we're all ready" line to keep me going till December! smile

Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/13/13 10:06 AM

Now I’ve divided my piece into four sections, and I practice each one separately. I think I’m getting better, but I’m not able to record it yet. Nevertheless I’d like to start recording in early March.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/13/13 10:46 AM

I have the notes and the dynamics down. I'm unsure about tempo, but I don't think it sounds bad at my current slow-ish tempo. My big challenge is voicing the melody so it sings out especially above the rest of the RH chords (playing the LH softer is going OK, but it's hard for me to have varied dynamics between the fingers of one hand). I haven't been practicing this for a while, feeling like I had reached a plateau. Time to bring it out again, and start recording, to get an honest listen to how I'm doing with the melody.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/13/13 03:20 PM

Generally I don't think we should worry too much about tempo. I have listened to quite a few performances over the years, and I'm not always impressed the most by the virtuouses being able to play fastest. Mendelssohn's pieces (like pieces by Chopin and other composers) contain lots of fine details that become barely audible when played too fast. This is very obvious in music by e.g. Mozart and Haydn where phrasing is very important. I have heard lots of Haydn-sonatas played at high speed. I'm impressed by the abilities of the performers, but still disappointed because all the delicate detail is gone. This is an issue in the SWWs too. I think all of us should try to develop our strongest sides and practice our pieces accordingly. High speed isn't necessarily what we all should aim for. Rather try to make the pieces sound nice.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/13/13 06:19 PM

Amen to that, 100%. It`s about the music, not the player.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/16/13 03:39 PM

My last attempt to getting the remaining peices covered wink

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor - Numerian
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor -DanS
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major - Morodiene
No. 4 Andante in A major - peterws
No. 5 Agitato in A minor - Dipsy
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Morodiene
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor - musicusblau
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major -DanS

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major - Oleg Yakerevich
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major - Oleg Yakerevich
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major - Numerian

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab
No. 4 Presto in C major - Carey
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major - Numerian

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major - Morodiene
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major - Ganddalf
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major - Numerian

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major - LadyChen
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/17/13 05:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Generally I don't think we should worry too much about tempo...I think all of us should try to develop our strongest sides and practice our pieces accordingly. High speed isn't necessarily what we all should aim for. Rather try to make the pieces sound nice.


A voice of musical reason. Thank you Ganddalf...that frees us all to make the best music we can, worrying less about speed and more about expression. Our own enjoyment of practicing and the pleasure of the listeners we hope to share with should be enhanced with this vision of our SWW. Sometimes the quest for faster tempo frustrates me and makes the piece something I want to just lay aside.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/17/13 05:44 AM

Notice the edit folks, only 3 remaining wink
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/17/13 12:55 PM

There are some couraueous people out there. And many observers . . . best o` luck guys! Your fingers will be going where they have never gone before . . . or as fast heh heh
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/17/13 01:52 PM

Originally Posted By: BruceD
Is the "Mendelssohn themed recital" limited to pieces from the "Songs Without Words"?

Those are all the choices that are listed, so far.

Regards,


what's the consensus on this?
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/21/13 09:16 AM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Originally Posted By: BruceD
Is the "Mendelssohn themed recital" limited to pieces from the "Songs Without Words"?

Those are all the choices that are listed, so far.

Regards,


what's the consensus on this?


It looks like all the SWW are covered, so why not expand it a bit to his other works?
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/21/13 02:31 PM

I think it would be a shame if, despite everyone's efforts to deliver a complete set of 'songs without words' for the recital, this did not happen. And I can't help feeling that if we turned our attention to pieces outside the series this might distract us and make it less likely that we'd complete the series -though I've nothing against doing pieces outside the series per se.

And now for some practice .....soonish.
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/21/13 10:02 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Originally Posted By: Valencia
My pieces are far from recordable. frown Guess I should have only taken on one piece not two. My hope is to be able to play as opposed to stumble through each. (So, not expecting to play them 'well' as that would be aiming too high given the time-line). One problem will be the red dot. it is one thing for me to play through without recording, but with the red dot, I will have to know the piece even better just to be able to play. I'm a bit concerned that I won't be able to pull it off.



Just keep at them Valencia, you will get there. smile As for the red dot, Have you tried recording a session, so like play a few of your favourite pieces, then try the one your wanting to record, I find that helps wink


Thanks wayne. smile Maybe I'll try some recording soon even if the pieces aren't put together yet. just to try to get used to it. i hope those who play well in this recital will be forgiving of those of us who just get through our pieces.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/22/13 07:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Valencia
Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Originally Posted By: Valencia
My pieces are far from recordable. frown Guess I should have only taken on one piece not two. My hope is to be able to play as opposed to stumble through each. (So, not expecting to play them 'well' as that would be aiming too high given the time-line). One problem will be the red dot. it is one thing for me to play through without recording, but with the red dot, I will have to know the piece even better just to be able to play. I'm a bit concerned that I won't be able to pull it off.



Just keep at them Valencia, you will get there. smile As for the red dot, Have you tried recording a session, so like play a few of your favourite pieces, then try the one your wanting to record, I find that helps wink


Thanks wayne. smile Maybe I'll try some recording soon even if the pieces aren't put together yet. just to try to get used to it. i hope those who play well in this recital will be forgiving of those of us who just get through our pieces.


Recording as you go is helpful for getting used to doing it, but it also can be good to help evaluate your playing and make adjustments. You may be doing things that you might not even realize until you hear yourself. Just be forgiving and even in the recording process don't be afraid to stop and fix something. Even the pros piece together an entire piece measure by measure, taken the best take out of 8 or so. I don't recommend this, of course, but knowing that somehow makes it feel OK if you can't play through the entire piece without a mistake.
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/22/13 08:46 AM

Recording isn't so bad..it's listening to the recording that is so hard. frown Self critique is sure tough on the confidence. BUT a good suggestion to record over and over as we develop a piece to make it more objective.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/22/13 01:44 PM

Don`tcha just LOVE recording? You set off, going ok so far . .. half way through, yer hopes rise . . .three quarters through . . . hey, I`m gonna make it - concentration goes, brain crashes . . .$*#^£"@'#?!!!!!
Posted by: Pavel.K

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/22/13 02:17 PM

Originally Posted By: peterws
Don`tcha just LOVE recording? You set off, going ok so far . .. half way through, yer hopes rise . . .three quarters through . . . hey, I`m gonna make it - concentration goes, brain crashes . . .$*#^£"@'#?!!!!!


Exactly!!! laugh

Btw. Wayne, I think you should be sharp on us soon and declare offical date for the recital. Without deadline I am not able to take it serious. I am still not able to "play" (push correct keys in correct order) the whole piece so be sharp only lightly and give some fair date, please smile In the middle between ABF recitals?
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/22/13 09:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Pavel.K

Btw. Wayne, I think you should be sharp on us soon and declare offical date for the recital. Without deadline I am not able to take it serious.

I'm of a similar feeling and also getting more excited/anxious now with the February recital post posted.

Of course, happy to await and follow your lead, Wayne. But, a date to target would be terrific. Whenever it is, I'll be working on my piece to the deadline, be it in March or October.

Just a suggestion but ... how about something like a two week posting window (March 15-31) and recital opens April fools day smile .
Originally Posted By: Pavel.K

I am still not able to "play" (push correct keys in correct order) the whole piece ...

Reminds me of this quote, Pavel ...

There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
― Johann Sebastian Bach
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/23/13 06:47 AM

I'll do op38 no 5 - though I may not be able to get it up to full speed!
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/23/13 07:00 AM

Morning all, I was thinking Sunday April 21st. Is that ok with everyone? smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/23/13 07:00 AM

Cheers Dipsey wink
Posted by: Pavel.K

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/23/13 07:26 AM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Morning all, I was thinking Sunday April 21st. Is that ok with everyone? smile

Sunday April 21st is ok for me....hoping so smile
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/23/13 07:40 AM

April 21st sounds much better than March 15 IMHO. Yes...I hate to admit it but I need deadlines too. Funny...I dreamt about this piece last night. I was playing it all wrong but everyone loved it. Don't you love dreams?
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/23/13 07:44 AM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Morning all, I was thinking Sunday April 21st. Is that ok with everyone? smile


ok here
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/23/13 07:51 AM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Morning all, I was thinking Sunday April 21st. Is that ok with everyone? smile


That's fine with me. I also must have a deadline in order to force myself to finish up...

Sam
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/23/13 08:44 AM

Blimey, I thought it had to be in at end o` Feb . .gives me time to fiddle wi my vid . .
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/23/13 10:13 AM

Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
Funny...I dreamt about this piece last night. I was playing it all wrong but everyone loved it. Don't you love dreams?

Mine was more like a nightmare ... I thought I was terrific, but everyone booed ... blush
Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Morning all, I was thinking Sunday April 21st. Is that ok with everyone? smile

Fabulous ... thumb
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/23/13 01:59 PM

Looks like April 21st it is then wink

Just op.53/3 and 62/2 covered outside PW, but you never know, we might get them covered here smile
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/23/13 04:38 PM

K, I will start practicing now.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 02/24/13 10:38 AM

I wake up with these songs going through my mind. In fact, throughout the day I have pretty much one of the 3 going in my head.

I'll be going to Italy from March 9-19 and there will pretty much be no practicing during this time, so I'm hoping to at least get one of my pieces recorded and get the other two in passable condition by the time I leave. Most likely I'll have 53/1 done so then when I return I can just polish up the 38/3 and 85/3. I think this is all doable by April 21, but most likely I'll set a deadline earlier for myself to record and just wait until the 21st to upload everything.

The danger for me is I get easily distracted and if learning a piece drags out too long I just stop playing it and move on. smile
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/05/13 06:16 PM

Sunday 21st April! I`ll get the missus to etch that on my skull . . . so she`ll be able to remind me . .She`ll tell me the day before and I`ll go "AAAAARRRGGHH!
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/12/13 01:20 PM

It's getting closer folks, I'm almost there with mine (well as good as it's gonna get by the submission date)

Could we all please "check in" to indicate we are hoping we are all going to be ready, like a register thingy, like "Yes sir, I'll be there" from each participant smile Just so we know it's all running smoothly smile

Thank you all in advance, hopefully everyone is reading this thread, otherwise it will mean me chasing folks lol wink

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor - Numerian
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88 CHECKED IN!
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor -DanS
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major - Morodiene
No. 4 Andante in A major - peterws
No. 5 Agitato in A minor - Dipsy
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Morodiene
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor - musicusblau
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major -DanS

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major - Oleg Yakerevich
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major - Oleg Yakerevich
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major - Numerian

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab
No. 4 Presto in C major - Carey
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major - Numerian

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major - Morodiene
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major - Ganddalf
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major - Numerian

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO CHECKED IN!
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major - LadyChen
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/12/13 01:27 PM

Sir yes sir!
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/12/13 01:33 PM

Yes, I'll be ready.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/12/13 02:52 PM

Yes, I'm ready - looking forward to it...

Sam
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/12/13 02:58 PM

Yes I will make it ready. Might have to extend tax again this year though. I must be the worst CPA in the western hemisphere. At least I'm not practicing public accounting anymore (lol).
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/12/13 03:02 PM

Yes Sir, I'll be there thumb

The new board gets tuned on the 19th and the red dot will start shining immediately thereafter. Pumped and ready to roll ...
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/12/13 03:16 PM

Reporting for duty SIR!!! Just gotta polish me boots . .
Posted by: Pavel.K

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/12/13 03:25 PM

Yes sir, I'll be there.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/12/13 04:43 PM

cheers guys smile
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/12/13 05:09 PM

shite, i better get practicing! only joking, better keep practicing, yes sir!

Peterws, you cannot expect your wife to remind you of stuff that suits you.
wives only do reminding you of stuff you dont want to do. ( like over and over)
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/12/13 05:39 PM

hi recital gang!

I'll have something to submit for April 21st, even if it is a dog's breakfast. smile
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/12/13 05:50 PM

your dog has breakfast?
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/12/13 05:54 PM

I feel optimistic, so I'll be there!
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/12/13 06:39 PM

Rostosky. my missus reminds me of stuff unknown . . and then blames my memory . . I`m wondering if I`ve been had these past 36 years . . . !
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/13/13 04:51 AM

I'm ready. Op 19/5, Op 53/2 and Op 85/5. Will make the recordings early in April.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/13/13 05:09 AM

In whatever state, I'll make sure mine are ready (by 21st April).
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/13/13 08:36 AM

Yes, present and accounted for. It's starting to sound like Mendelssohn so I'll have progress to share.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/13/13 10:25 AM

Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
It's starting to sound like Mendelssohn


lets hope your not the odd one out! lol
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/13/13 12:16 PM

Wayne, here's a clue... smile

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - zrtf90 - Checked In
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - zrtf90 - Checked In
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/13/13 04:21 PM

Just checking in Wayne -
Both pieces will be submitted on time - hopefully half decent renditions. Its getting scarily real now, but exciting too. If I manage to pull it off I'll feel really proud of myself - it harder than anything I've yet done.
I don't really feel I know how to go about learning a piece!!!

Beric will be asked about his too.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/14/13 06:46 AM

Cheers all, I'll be bk later and edit the list smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/14/13 01:46 PM

Could we all please "check in" to indicate we are hoping we are all going to be ready, like a register thingy, like "Yes sir, I'll be there" from each participant smile Just so we know it's all running smoothly smile

Thank you all in advance, hopefully everyone is reading this thread, otherwise it will mean me chasing folks lol wink

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy CHECKED IN!
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn SCHECKED IN
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf CHECKED IN!
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo CHECKED IN!

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia CHECKED IN!
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor - Numerian CHECKED IN
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88 CHECKED IN!
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor -DanSCHECKED IN
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric CHECKED IN!
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFridayCHECKED IN

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic CHECKED IN!
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY CHECKED IN!
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major - Morodiene CHECKED IN!
No. 4 Andante in A major - peterws CHECKED IN!
No. 5 Agitato in A minor - Dipsy CHECKED IN!
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S CHECKED IN!

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - MorodieneCHECKED IN!
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf CHECKED IN!
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor - musicusblau CHECKED IN!
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff CHECKED IN!
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S CHECKED IN!
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major -Kaz63piano CHECKED IN!

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90 CHECKED IN!
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major - Oleg Yakerevich CHECKED IN!
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90 CHECKED IN!
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major - Oleg Yakerevich CHECKED IN!
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday CHECKED IN
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major - Numerian CHECKED IN

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab CHECKED IN
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic CHECKED IN!
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab CHECKED IN
No. 4 Presto in C major - Carey CHECKED IN!
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K CHECKED IN!
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major - Numerian CHECKED IN

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Valencia CHECKED IN!
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs CHECKED IN!
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major - Morodiene CHECKED IN!
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya CHECKED IN!
No. 5 Allegretto in A major - Ganddalf CHECKED IN!
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major - Numerian CHECKED IN

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener CHECKED IN!
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl CHECKED IN!
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO CHECKED IN!
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChenCHECKED IN
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major - LadyChenCHECKED IN
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener CHECKED IN!
Posted by: LadyChen

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/14/13 04:40 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs


Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener CHECKED IN!
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl CHECKED IN!
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO CHECKED IN!
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major - LadyChen
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener CHECKED IN!


No. 4 is going quite well for me. As for No. 5, well let's just say it's more of an Allegro than an Allegro vivace wink.
Posted by: Evelyn S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/15/13 01:49 PM

Will be there~

Almost done with the piece. Still need to grasp a few measures but I'll manage by the deadline.
Posted by: timmyab

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/15/13 08:27 PM

My two are done.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/16/13 03:56 PM

This is going to be such a major achievement for all concerned, for most , their chosen piece was well out of their personal "comfort zone" and everyone has worked so hard to get their chosen piece into some sort of shape!!

I believe this will be so much more than the sum of its parts for a variety of reasons, not least of course the commitment everyone has shown and determination to do the best they can.

Moreover, I also believe it may be a first in the world; an online recital of all the songs without words, done by an international group of folk, who (mainly?) have no connection to each other save for these wonderful forums.

What a stunning thing to be involved in, I personally feel very gratefull and honoured to be a part of it.

I mean, what a massive and impressive achievement for adult beginers, which should go a long way to show folk all over the world; "hey look what can be achieved with determination and effort, no matter of age , shyness of the red dot, or in some cases physical illnesses.

I dont think anyone could have guessed when this all started way back with phillip glass on RST that the Idea still in its infancy could escalate to this level.

Kudos to wayne for all his hard work and to everyone involved.

Well done dudes and dudettes, well done.
Posted by: LimeFriday

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/19/13 02:31 AM

I'm checking in too. Can't promise excellence.... but I'll be ready for the 21st April in some form or other! Perhaps sharing the dog's breakfast with Valencia.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/19/13 12:55 PM

Cheers guys, just gonna edit the list now wink I must admit, this has been way above my level, I should probabily stick to the Philip Glass Pieces after this ha ha. Mine will probabily be like the dog's breakfast after digestion wink
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/19/13 01:04 PM

Just Devrie, Rupak and Carey left to check in.

Submissions are open when folks are ready, please PM Rossy with your submissions. smile You ready for this Rossy lol wink
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/19/13 01:37 PM

What do we send? The youtube link?

Sam
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/19/13 01:50 PM

What's a rough estimate of how long it'll take to add an image to an mp3 file and make it into a YouTube compatible file? I.e. when do I need to finish my recording by?
Posted by: carey

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/19/13 02:09 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Just Devrie, Rupak and Carey left to check in.


OK - I'm checking in - Thanks for the reminder - Everything is cool - This is going to be a great e-cital !!!! thumb

Carey
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/19/13 03:39 PM

Richard, if you want to add just one image to your video, this process can last only some minutes. Don’t worry about that. About uploading the video to Youtube, it’ll depend on your internet connection (mine is extremely slow).

Sam, you may send the youtube link together with one text that describes your thoughts of the piece: your performance, feelings, learning process… whatever you want to share.

Happy birthday, Carey!
Posted by: timmyab

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/20/13 07:23 AM

Do I need to have a Youtube account?I'd rather not open one if I don't have to.
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/20/13 08:31 AM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
What's a rough estimate of how long it'll take to add an image to an mp3 file and make it into a YouTube compatible file? I.e. when do I need to finish my recording by?

I'd allow one extra day for this to be safe. Not just for adding the image, but for making the movie file and uploading. But you can get the movie file ready now, or any time in advance using a rough audio file (or none at all) and just drop in your final audio file later.

The whole process -- even if working with the software for the first time, as I was -- should only run you about 1 hour end to end.

I've ended up using Movie Maker which was available and free with my operating system. I've since got a little fancier with the video by adding a title, minor effects and more then one image. It is still very basic. The compile from raw wave file to movie file is about 30 seconds. And the upload of course is an upload, so no worries there.

Personally I like to have a little extra time in case I run into problems. With movie maker, my video(s) are all ready to go now, and I will just need to drop in a better audio file, re-compile and upload.
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/20/13 09:41 AM

Did you say we have to do video? Mine will not be without sheet music. It's pretty well memorized but my brain goes dark when the sheet music isn't there as support. :-)
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/20/13 09:48 AM

Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
Did you say we have to do video? Mine will not be without sheet music. It's pretty well memorized but my brain goes dark when the sheet music isn't there as support. :-)


I'm with you - using music and turning pages!

Sam
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/20/13 07:26 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Just Devrie, Rupak and Carey left to check in.

Submissions are open when folks are ready, please PM Rossy with your submissions. smile You ready for this Rossy lol wink

Yes wayne,

well as ready as I ever will be..

So are we all agreed that the submission date is up to and including the 21st April?

If anyone is expecting to be not quite ready by then, "Do panic"
( you have had ages!)

April 21st is a sunday folks.

For all submissions, please pm me your youtube link, and also a little text in the PM about what this piece you have chosen and submitted means to you, your trials and tribulations with it etc etc.

We have done this in the past with satie and glass recitals, it adds a little interest factor and adds a little more of the person behind the performer.

As much or as little as you wish.


Should anyone experience any technical difficulties in either windows movie maker, or uploading to youtube etc, please do not hesitate to ask either wayne or myself and we will endeavour to walk you through the process.

If i can do it, anyone can, believe me, I have ludite tendencies!

For those who have fears of youtube etc, there really is no need, you can make it so that no one can see your rendition EXCEPT those of us here that you want to show it to.

Comments can be disabled and if you are still frightened of just using youtube and dont want to set up a free account just for this,
Then because this is such an amazing event,

If you send me your video to my gmail, I will upload it to my youtube account and host it there for you for the duration.

Please though only ask me to do this if you feel you have run out of options!! (Because I still need to practice my piece as well!)

Did anyone notice I included wayne first in the tech help offer? like "ask wayne or myself" why did I do that, I wonder to myself as wayne pulls his hair out and thinks how to get me back! lol
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/21/13 07:21 AM

Originally Posted By: timmyab
Do I need to have a Youtube account?I'd rather not open one if I don't have to.


I'll create a themed recital YT account smile Bk laters smile
Posted by: timmyab

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/21/13 08:09 AM

Actually Wayne don't bother if it's just for me, I've set up a Youtube account now.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/21/13 10:01 AM

I have one of greeners submissions now and also timmayabs, thanks guys.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/22/13 06:37 AM

I've got some submissions for you Rossy, will get them to you shortly wink
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/22/13 08:47 AM

I just returned from a 10-day trip to Italy and so I'm getting myself back into practice again! The pieces were all coming along well before I left, and after a few days they are starting to make progress.

53/1 is almost ready for recording, maybe in a week.

85/3 should be ready shortly after that once I am satisfied with the melody coming out and the accompanying 16ths being less prominent. Also, with the repeated rhythmic pattern I need to be careful it doesn't get boring so there are still some places I need to insert a bit of rubato.

38/3 was the latest addition and of course the biggest challenge. Note-wise it's all there, but I know the tempo will be an issue so I have to do LOTS of slow practice to ensure that tensions won't creep in as I gradually increase the speed. There's also an awkward moment or two when Mendelssohn comes in with that series of diminished arpeggios. The first time it happens it flows rather nicely with the introductory material, but then he uses it as a transition in m.32 which seems a little out of place, and then again in m. 44 which is even more awkward like he had no idea how to get himself into f# minor. So I'll have to figure out how to make it flow rather than come to a screeching halt musically as it seems to do. Considering all this, it will be interesting to see what shape I can get it in by April 21st - perhaps "Presto e molto vivace" is a bit optimistic smile . Suggestions welcome!
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/22/13 09:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
I have one of greeners submissions ...


Yes, the easy one. I was hoping to lock this down (not be tempted to re-record it as it will always need improvement in my eyes) and worry rather about bigger fish to fry with recording the other.

However, Rossy has kindly offered to let me update it if I choose to, so now I'm confused again smile .

Think I'll focus on the other for awhile. Then if time permits, rethink anything only after I have two submittable files.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/22/13 06:37 PM

It sounds from listening to you guys that I`ve had a pretty easy ride . . . I looked at some of the pieces surrounding mine. I `m so glad I`m not doin` `em!
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/22/13 08:35 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
I've got some submissions for you Rossy, will get them to you shortly wink


excellent wayne, whenever you have the time old chap.
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/23/13 07:26 PM

This weekend I’m trying to make a decent recording of my SWW. I hope the thing ends up well. Nevertheless I’ll have some holydays next weekend, so there will be new chances.

In any case practicing time is over. Now I have to try it!
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/24/13 08:00 AM

I'm also making a start on recording, wish me luck lol, PM'd you Rossy smile Laters folk smile
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/24/13 02:28 PM

best of luck wayne, remember to switch the recorder on, if you dont, thats when you play the best! as you know lol. hope theres no ghosts in the machine!!
Posted by: LadyChen

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/24/13 10:23 PM

My new piano is being tuned this week, so I hope to start recording the easier of my two selections after that. With the first one out of the way, I can focus on getting my second selection up to speed!
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/29/13 10:40 AM

Well, I’m done. Obviously my performance couldn’t resist a severe analysis, but I did my best.

Looking forward to listening to the recital, guys!
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/29/13 02:42 PM

Thanks for your submission Recaredo, and dont worry, doing your best is all that could ever be asked for anything!

looking good folks, looking good.

R.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/29/13 02:53 PM

Originally Posted By: LadyChen
My new piano is being tuned this week,

Tuning, oh rats! My piano isn't getting tuned until May. Between my lack of skill at voicing, the slow tempo which is all I can achieve, and the slight out-of-tuneness, my Song Without Words will be far less than stellar. Hopefully some of Mendelssohn's genius will still shine through.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 03/30/13 08:31 AM

Mine`s in . . . I play it in a thousand different ways, it still sounds the same . . . Happy days!
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/02/13 09:08 AM

Took a week off for Spring Break and now playing it again I'm noticing all the little details I missed in the first learn. No pedal here. Cresendo there. Slight retardando...BUT they are rarely perfect are they. I'll polish for a couple of weeks and record at the deadline.
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/03/13 11:20 AM

Done, In, Complete.

I am generally pleased of the state I have my pieces to now. The motivation to record forced me to get them further than I would have been likely to otherwise. Daniel Barenboim still has nothing to worry about, however smile .

Resting now and very much looking forward to the big show ...

Best of luck everyone
Posted by: LadyChen

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/03/13 12:15 PM

Can we not talk about Daniel Barenboim? I just listened to his rendition of the allegro vivace and it's soooo fast, it made me want to cry. I'm not listening to it anymore lol! :P
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/03/13 02:01 PM

Barenboim's fast, all right, but I think some of them are so fast that they are bland!

Still working away on mine. It's getting closer. I have a staycation the week before it's due, which is comforting.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/03/13 03:16 PM

Originally Posted By: LadyChen
Can we not talk about Daniel Barenboim? I just listened to his rendition of the allegro vivace and it's soooo fast, it made me want to cry. I'm not listening to it anymore lol! :P


Yes we can not talk about barenboim and especially not mention his debilitating amphetamine addiction that has gradually since age 17 spiralled way out of control. Coupled with his inability to read just two words of english and comprehend them.

My piece for instance,( opus 38 no 2 ) is entitled "lost happiness"

Baremfool read and understood this to mean " journey on an express train while drinking dexamphetamine "

It shows a lack of emotion in the piece and renders it not only uninteligable but shows a distorted and weird cavalier attitude to piano playing in general.

Someone needs to stand up and say Barenboim should be banned from playing the piano in public , every piece he plays he plays at ridiculous speeds, this does not show skill, it shows stupidity, and its not only me that doesnt like it.

In many cases his show off excess speed kills the piece, and to continually and consistantly keep killing pieces is not virtuoso at all, its actually rank.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/03/13 05:31 PM

"Someone needs to stand up and say Barenboim should be banned from playing the piano in public"

A tad harsh; He`s an Artistic Person. It`s expected these folk do weird and stupid things . . .where would we be without the Dylan Thomases, the Van Goghs, . . . Freddy Mercurys . . .damn, I wish I hadn`t started this . .
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/03/13 06:02 PM

OK, I just sent my two pieces to Rostosky. Glad that's over with!

By the way, I agree about Barenboim's tempos - they are not musical...

Sam
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/04/13 02:55 AM

I just ordered a Zoom Q2HD and if I'm lucky I can make the recordings this weekend.
Posted by: timmyab

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/04/13 09:46 AM

I rather like Barenboim's Mendelssohn.His tempo for 38 no2 is on the fast side but not out of the ordinary.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/04/13 12:49 PM

I got my music from his Youtube posting. And I think he`s too slow . . . .or I`m too fast. . . 38 4. Can`t fault him really. Now, what was he on?
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/04/13 04:28 PM

I believe Art should be visual,( paintings sculptures etc)
I believe poetry should be about words.
I believe music, should primarily be about sound.

And it is that sound that we hear as an audience or a single person.
If our ears are hearing that sound and converting it into something our brain can understand and then our heart and soul can feel, and our ears/brain/heart/soul are screaming "slow down"
Then the music is failing to connect with us on a level we wish it to.

many folk find this with moonlight sonata, they want to hear it slower than most folk play it, I sincerly believe its because it says more slowed down some, this may not be "technically correct" but if it connects with the soul that way than surely thats what counts?

Barenboim does not seem to realise that expression beats tempo hands down when it comes to touching the soul. Music is not about who can play it the fastest, we could make machines to do that.

Anyways, I wont go on about it here bacause its not the right place and wayne will be miffed at me because he is exceptionally busy at the moment with a community action group, i dont know what the action is about yet but can only hope all will be revealed!!

what i will say is that as more and more submissions trickle in, one thing is becoming apparent:

The standards you guys are achieving are magnificent and truly inspiring.
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/04/13 08:52 PM

Hi Everyone.

One of our members (LimeFriday) has injured her hand and will not be able to perform her pieces for the recital. She was signed up for 30/6 and 62/5. She asked me to let everyone know and is very disappointed and feels bad that she won't be able to participate.

V.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/05/13 02:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Valencia
Hi Everyone.

One of our members (LimeFriday) has injured her hand and will not be able to perform her pieces for the recital. She was signed up for 30/6 and 62/5. She asked me to let everyone know and is very disappointed and feels bad that she won't be able to participate.

V.


I'm very sorry to hear that, and hope that she recovers soon.
I can take over 62/5 if nobody has objections to that.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/05/13 06:11 AM

Good post Rossy, I'll be taking your points into consideration. smile How you get your info is beyond me lol.

Sorry to hear about Limefriday frown

Ganddalf that would be great. We could then just sub the other piece with a YT video, if we can get the performers permission. Bk later folks smile
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/05/13 06:49 AM

- LimeFriday - hope your hand heals quickly.

I could have a crack at 30-6 as a backstop - I'll give it up anytime over the next couple of weeks to a PW member who isn't yet participating and would like to play it.
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/05/13 07:49 AM

Sorry LimeFriday...hope you recover soon and return.

The tempo discussion is interesting. I've experimented with different tempos (wihin my limited ability to do that) and the music expresses itself differently with each change. My Mendelssohn (notice I'm getting possessive) needs slower but with bright spots because it is sad but not only about sadness but about life and ultimately a sense of peace and acceptance. Still...I like Berenbaum's version.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/05/13 09:05 AM

That would be great Dire-tonic smile
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/05/13 09:20 AM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Good post Rossy, I'll be taking your points into consideration. smile How you get your info is beyond me lol.


Sometimes Wayne, I have to actually make the info up on the fly to strengthen my point of view and make it sound plausable.

Seriously though, I can play my ( possesive) piece as fast as Barenboim, but I will not be doing so for the themed recital.

This has led me to a dilemna; folk may say "Rossy, as well as being annoying and holding points of views about many things that appear off the wall ( untill they have been adequately explained by your good self) You are also now a liar and cannot play your piece as fast as the crystal meth man can"

So I will do two recordings one on a mixture of amphetamines and crystal meth to prove I can.

and a proper one that will go in the themed recital expressing emotion and feeling within the piece to connect with folk on an emotional and spiritual level.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/05/13 09:40 AM

With regards to tempo, I think that tempos since the 20th century have increased, so playing Mendelssohn a bit on the slower side is probably closer to how he envisioned it (of course, while still maintaining the essence of the tempo indications).

I have to agree on Rostosky's comments on Barenboim. He's hardly one I choose to listen to for anything but note accuracy and a modicum of dynamics. Not to belittle his accomplishments, it's just not an aesthetic I prefer to listen to.

My tempi will be quite a bit slower than his, and/or with a lot more rubato. Of course, when I signed up for this I had NOTHING on my calendar for April, and now I have a performance Monday and two mandatory auditions on either the 19th or 20th, and another on the 28th if I wish to be employed next year. Fun!
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/05/13 09:59 AM

-ok, I'll understudy it but it's still there for LimeFriday's return if the hand gets back into action before the 21st or, alternatively, for a PW newcomer to take on.

(really looking forward to Rossy's crystal meth performance - hopefully with the occasional head-shot gleaming with sweat)
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/05/13 12:20 PM

Ouch, LimeFriday! So sorry!
And Gandalf and Dire Tonic, you are both awesome for stepping up! I wish I could step in and learn something that quick. One day!

Rossy, I am eagerly anticipating the meth performance as well. Don't let me down!
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/05/13 03:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Valencia
Hi Everyone.

One of our members (LimeFriday) has injured her hand and will not be able to perform her pieces for the recital. She was signed up for 30/6 and 62/5. She asked me to let everyone know and is very disappointed and feels bad that she won't be able to participate.

V.


Anything less than a three finger amputation or severe frostbite whilst awaiting amputation does not get her excused.

For example, I have two bad knees that audibly "click" whilst pedaling and didnt choose a piece with no pedaling in it.

I have a bad cut on my thumb from a very sharp and dirty sink unit that had to be installed, my tetanus is out of date and I may get lockjaw at any moment. ( it wont shut me up though)

I have social phobia issues, indeed I am socially inept and prone to saying innapropriate things about the pope and other politicians.

I constantly mimic tourettes syndrome because my brain tells me its funny.

I chain smoke both at and away from the piano.

I dont pass wind in an orderly fashion, I allways try and force it out because I still find it funny after all these years, so it would appear I have maturity issues on top of lower back pain.

My posture sucks, after four or five hours on the piano, I need a strong and dangerous accomplice to straighten me up.

And the next door neighbours are directing bad reiki at me 24/7.

And yet I will be playing my piece.

Not that I am trying to make her feel guilty or anything.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/06/13 03:38 AM

You are giving me some good ideas, Rostosky . . I`ll try `em out on HER...

Seriously. I think I `ve done mine too fast...Beremboam or whatever he`s called does it too slow. But it sounds good. I like his stuff.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/06/13 08:28 AM

I have just found out that mr Barembore is not entirely to blame.
He was given as a child what i have christened as a "demented metronome" its slowest speed is Presto instead of largo and it continues up the way to Prestoplus, Macpresto, Multopresto,
and tops out at Prestissimo, The spring inside it that allows this to happen was designed by Buster keaton,

And constructed by Isambard Kingdom Brunel, who showed up at the recent olympics poorly disguised ( But enough to convince the average USA CITIZEN) as Abraham lincoln. (ABE)

There is only one of these metronomes known to exist and Barembore owns it.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/06/13 12:43 PM

I got my new Zoom Q2HD yesterday and have made my first recording attempts.

This unit EATS batteries.
It allows an enormous number of user setting combinations, and finding the optimal one is not a trivial task.
The microphone seems to be more sensitive to squeeking from the chair than to the music.

OK, after playing around a bit I have found a combination of settings that seems to give decent recordings. But with four pieces to record I anticipate making 50 attempts and spending several packages with AA batteries before I'm satisfied with the result.

One issue I didn't think about beforehand is that it will be necessary to turn the sheet unless the piece is short or it is all memorised. One of my pieces is rather long, but since it is technically difficult I have memorised it. Two of them are short, and no leaf turning is necessary. But the remaining one is a problem. It seems that I have a memorising job to do before I can record it. And the coming two weeks are awfully busy....... Maybe photocopying is the solution.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/06/13 01:47 PM

excellent gandalf, I would invest in some rechargable aa's and a charger for same, it will pay for itself in the long run.

I was considering the zoom today as my canon fs100 just nearly died, well nearly its developed a strange problem and it doesnt do music well at all, in fact there are no settings for the audio that can be changed in any way.

Here is the weird canon problem that had to develop just now when I need it.

I plugged the charger in: no charge light on canon showed.
It also would not switch on.
I bought a new charger: no difference.

I need the mains charger to be plugged in to download or it doesnt do it.

So, I got a standalone battery charger and a card reader.

I now have to take the battery out to charge it, and then the std card out to plug it into a card reader to download it.

Not exactly satisfactory but a workable workaround for the problem it has mysteriously developed.

I was told the zooms are excellent and from members recordings here, they seem like the optimum choice for the money.

please let me know how you get on with it and how you find the audio settings if you get time.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/08/13 07:43 PM

Right okay dokey folks, I know that you all have , and all will probably be practicing up untill the last minute, ( I am so looking forward to my pm,s on the twentieoneth of April !!)

Seriously though, about the twentieoneth of april, if you can avoid leaving it to the very last minute, then please do.

Anyways, this is about something else that i would like your views and opinions/reasonable suggestions/sane ideas on.

There are forty eight songs without words, each opus has six, and six X eight = forty eight when I went to school.

However, if we say on average that each piece is 3 to 4 min long, then 48x 3 min would be one hundred and forty four mins long OR 2 hours twenty four mins in total.

If my maths is correct.

Now then, I thought and thought about the different ways of posting the recital up, and I COULD do it all in one go, so anyone could go and listen to 2 hours 24 mins of total mendelssohn.

However, that seems a tad hasty in the old "total" bit of "total mendelssohn" for 2hrs24.

So, alternatives where thought about and even oddball ones like "draw out of a hat" to decide the order of play.


But, the best Idea so far has been : do it by the book itself, by opus and opus no.


So, ( again) 6 in each opus, 8X6 = 48,

Therefore I wish to post them up as follows, 6 per day over the course of eight days, in opus no, as they appear in the book, devoid of any favouritism or anything else unruly.

As far as I can see, ( even with me glasses) that will give us time to take in and absorb each set of six with another six tommorrow and the next day for eight days to look forward to.

This would seem to logistically make sense and also not overdose us completely in one big go, it would be in effect "mendelssohn recital week" Except of course for it being a bit longer than a week, Okay then typical of us and RST; "Mendelssohn recital week and an bit"

Unless, the consensus is to post the whole recital up in one big two hr twentyfour minute chunk?

which i could do if enough folk tried to convince me to do with most excellent reasoning and logic of course.
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/08/13 08:10 PM

Ahmn when is it due? Is it 15th or 21st ? I'm not kidding you I just got confused.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/08/13 08:39 PM

I believe that would be the twenty first of april.
How is yours going?
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/09/13 02:33 AM

As one who plans to listen, I rather like the idea of having small packages to manage rather than one big one.

It is a lot of listening and I think I'd be more inclined to savour the smaller batches. With a bigger batch I'd feel pressured to "get through them all".
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/09/13 04:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky

Therefore I wish to post them up as follows, 6 per day over the course of eight days, in opus no, as they appear in the book, devoid of any favouritism or anything else unruly.


- good idea! thumb
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/09/13 05:35 AM

Rostosky - whatever makes it easiest for you is great. Posting them a few at a time is fine.

Sam
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/09/13 06:35 AM

Fine by me smile
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/09/13 07:12 AM

Sounds like a good idea to post in sections.
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/09/13 09:20 AM

Thank you Ganddalf and dire tonic for your generous offer to pick up LimeFriday's recital pieces!!! She is extremely relieved that you've offered to play them so the pieces won't be missing from the recital. smile
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/09/13 11:51 AM

I think the Opus 102's got it lucky as they'll have an extra 7 days to get theirs to you. :P But I do like the idea of one opus per day.
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/09/13 12:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Right okay dokey ...
alternatives where thought about and even oddball ones like "draw out of a hat" to decide the order of play.

But, the best Idea so far has been : do it by the book itself, by opus and opus no.
...
I wish to post them up as follows, 6 per day over the course of eight days, in opus no, as they appear in the book, devoid of any favouritism or anything else unruly.


In favour of opus book at a time, but would also suggest a random book order play list at the discretion of administration. So as to avoid ...

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
I think the Opus 102's got it lucky as they'll have an extra 7 days to get theirs to you. :P But I do like the idea of one opus per day.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/09/13 01:41 PM

I'd prefer the correct order, but will go along with the consensus smile
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/09/13 04:39 PM

I like the idea of so many a day. It would be best to have a logical order.

Start in reverse order . . .
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/09/13 04:58 PM

Nobody gets an "extra seven days!!" ALL submissions are due in by and including the 21st april. just to make that clear!!

Okay so far we are for: in opus number, by the book six per day.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/10/13 02:00 PM

Rupak has "checked in" smile
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/10/13 02:48 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Rupak has "checked in" smile


Great!
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/10/13 05:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Recaredo
Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Rupak has "checked in" smile


Great!



excellent, ( bout time rupak!)
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/10/13 05:03 PM

Ragnhildk and devrie have yet to get back to Wayne or I by either PM or here please.
Posted by: Amaruk

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/10/13 05:26 PM

I just want to say that I am very impressed by this project and I look forward to listen to your performances!!
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/10/13 05:52 PM

Thnx Amaruk, still to record mine lol, Rossy, Ragnhildk and devrie can be found on page 4 and 5 of this thread, if you wanna give them a pm, (or if anyone wants to, as Rossy is, probabily as busy as me lol) Looking forward to it folks x
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/11/13 08:21 AM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
I believe that would be the twenty first of april.
How is yours going?


It's nice to know that it's not 15th as I was traveling this week. It's not fluent yet but I will deliver on time.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/11/13 10:02 AM

It's amazing how many strange things may happen as soon as the recorder is running. I regret that I didn't start recording the pieces for this recital already a long time ago. Firstly because this gives me the opportunity to spot the points with the greatest improvement potential and secondly because this would help getting rid of some of the "red dot anxiety".

I have recorded my four pieces now, and learnt a few lessons. Most important perhaps is the fact that the simpler pieces are just as difficult to make good recordings of as the harder pieces. Maybe the simple truth is that there is no such thing as a simple piano piece.

It is tempting as soon as a recording has been made to put the piece aside. In this case I plan not to do that. I'm convinced that there is still potential for improvement, and it can be quite interesting to see what can be done with the weak points with some additional practice time.

When I started making the first test recordings a week ago I needed the sheet music for all except the most difficult piece. During the recordings, however, I repeated the pieces so many times that now I need the sheet music only for the simplest one. This is a very great advantage, especially if you have to turn the leaf.

Many times during the recording process I had a strong feeling of incompetence and was quite frustrated. I consider the end result as "acceptable", but not more than that. Anyhow this is an amateur recital, and we should not use professional artistic level as a reference. Also it is not a competition, but sharing music that we enjoy working with.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/11/13 01:36 PM

"It is tempting as soon as a recording has been made to put the piece aside. In this case I plan not to do that. I'm convinced that there is still potential for improvement, and it can be quite interesting to see what can be done with the weak points with some additional practice time"

You`re dead right man! I do that quite a lot. It doesn`t make for a big repertoire quickly, does it?
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/12/13 03:01 PM

I contacted RagnhildK who is responsible for Op.19/2, and helped her with the recording of the piece. I'll take the responsibility of handling her music file. In other words, you can consider her contribution as checked in and it will be available on time.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/12/13 03:06 PM

well done ganddalf thank you so much, both wayne and I tried unsuccessfully to contact her via PM. result!
looking good, devrie, wherefore art thou?
Posted by: ragnhildK

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/13/13 04:50 AM

I'm sorry that I have not been posting for a while, leaving some uncertainty about my participating in the Mendelssohn recital. Since my piano is seriously out of tune, I was very grateful to Ganddalf for giving me the chance to use his piano and his Zoom.
My opus 19/2 has lots of things that can be improved, but at this point this is the best I can do.
I'm really looking forward to hearing the complete recital :-)
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/13/13 07:43 AM

When the songs are posted (in digestable chunks) can you leave the previous ones on and just . . .add to them? Otherwise I may not be able to hear the first day or so, I`ll be away!
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/13/13 11:01 AM

Originally Posted By: peterws
When the songs are posted (in digestable chunks) can you leave the previous ones on and just . . .add to them? Otherwise I may not be able to hear the first day or so, I`ll be away!


Yes absolutely this is how i intended to do it:

day one first six opus numbers ( as printed in the book)
Day two will have the second six opus numbers,(plus the six from the day before and so on) etc etc.

They will be up FOREVER! well as long as PW exists as a forum, and I suppose that will depend on many things such as North Korea/USA/China/Russia not creating an imminent apocalypse
say for example.
( or margeret thatcher not returning from the grave as a zombie and stopping fun altogether as she tried to in life)
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/13/13 11:08 AM

" or margeret thatcher not returning from the grave as a zombie and stopping fun altogether as she tried to in life)"

You know how to stir it . . . . Boadicea reincarnated! A man`s gotta do what a man`s gotta do. She did it.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/13/13 11:31 AM

A policeman reseigned yesterday after stating "she died, but just 87 years to late"

she wanted to be cremated, but of course there isnt any coal.

I would jump up and down with glee, but I have brittle bones due to a calcium deficiency as a child caused by lack of milk.

Tonight in trafalger square there is a party.

Anyways, I will be busy practicing medelssohn instead or revelling.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/13/13 11:35 AM

Wizard of Oz would make a great "next themed recital" wink
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/13/13 11:37 AM

I so would do that beautifull song " Ding dong the witch is dead"
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/13/13 11:39 AM

It's currently at no.3 in the charts ha ha smile
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/15/13 06:53 AM

Right folks, sorry to be the one to say this an all but: YOU HAVE A WEEK left!!!!

Please dont leave it untill the very last minute if you can help it to send me your submissions, but if you have to then thats ok as well.
Posted by: Greener

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/15/13 11:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky

( or margeret thatcher not returning from the grave as a zombie and stopping fun altogether as she tried to in life)
...
A policeman reseigned yesterday after stating "she died, but just 87 years to late"

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Wizard of Oz would make a great "next themed recital" wink

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
I so would do that beautifull song " Ding dong the witch is dead"

...
Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
It's currently at no.3 in the charts ha ha smile

No.2 I believe now. You guys are a hoot ...

This is national news in Canada. I heard it first here.

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Right folks, sorry to be the one to say this an all but: YOU HAVE A WEEK left!!!!


Yes, and pumped about it. I'm doing some post recording practicing today to see if I can rile the neighbours. Oddly enough I play them much better now.
Posted by: LadyChen

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/15/13 01:52 PM

I took a few days off this week.. so recording will happen! smile smile smile
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/15/13 01:55 PM

Excellent lady chen, looking forward to it.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/17/13 10:37 AM

"Ding dong the witch is dead"

Floating around in cyberspace,man; with her handbag . . .
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/18/13 07:59 AM

How quiet it is on this thread and RST! Is it because everyone is working away on their pieces? And if so, hows it going?

As for my preparation, I can almost play the music through without it breaking down completely, thank God.. .. and feel that it might be worth having a go at a recording.... I guess that'll be an 'acid test' of how robust my playing really is.

However, whether or not there are slips (mistakes, not petticoats) in the recording, I'll feel something has been achieved cos I know I've pushed myself into doing more than I was capable of before this.
I'd like the deadline to come soon so I can do that big sigh people do when they have just finished an exam.

For Rossy, the huge task of putting it all together has now begun....
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/18/13 08:22 AM

About 2 weeks ago I found out that I have 2 mandatory auditions to do for the opera companies I sing with - one this Saturday and the other next Sunday. I also will be singing a cover role this summer and so I've had to get started on that too. And can I just say, last week was AWFUL.

Still, I think I'll be able to get decent takes of 2 of the 3 pieces I chose. The last one, named "Poet's Harp" is a bit tricky because of the span it requires. It's easier under tempo because then my hand has time to relax in between the arpeggios, but at faster tempos there's not enough time to relax. It may be a choice between under tempo and relaxed or at tempo and muscle through it. We'll see what happens!
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/18/13 08:54 AM

ANNOUNCEMENT: HEAR YEE< HEAR YEE>

Doctor Rostosky has now been handed in Homework from quite a few people.

Some folk have also done a bit of text to go with their piece ( optional)

Some folk have not handed in their submissions yet, ( not optional) they know who they are dont I?

There is three days to the deadline,

If your name is on this list your worries and stress should be over as you have completed the assignment and I have your work.

If your name is not on this list, then (a.) it soon should be, and (b.) it soon better be. (c) come on get it together dudes/dudetes.

Here is the list of folk who are relaxing after completion of mission mendelssohn:

( in no particular order)

Timmyab.
Recaredo,
Peterws
Greener,
Sams,
Diretonic,
Ladychen
Musicusblau,
Kaz63piano,
Oleg Yakervich
Ganddalf,
Ragnhildk
Beric.
Pavelk
Valencia,
Diretonic/covering for limefriday ( speedy recovery to your hand)

Making a total of twenty seven pieces submitted so far...

It didnt go by unnoticed that My own name is not on the above list.

I also need to practice, so come on dudes and dudettes, lets be having you.







Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/18/13 06:10 PM

UPdate on handed in pieces:


Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy/Beric : submitted.
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK : submitted.

No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S

No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie/ covered by Beric and submitted.
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf ; Submitted.
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo ; Submitted.



Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia ; submitted.

No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor - Numerian

No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88

No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor -DanS

No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric ; submitted.
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday ; submitted.


Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic ; submitted
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY ; not bleeding far off if i wasnt here!

No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major - Morodiene

No. 4 Andante in A major - peterws; submitted.
No. 5 Agitato in A minor - Dipsy; very soon to be submitted.
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S; submitted.

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Morodiene

No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf;submitted.
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor - musicusblau ; submitted.

No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff

No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S; submitted.
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major: -DanS/ covered by kaz63piano,and submitted.

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90

No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major - Oleg Yakerevich:submitted
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90

No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major - Oleg Yakerevich ; submitted.
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday/ covered by Ganddalf and submited.

No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major - Numerian

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab : submitted.
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic ;submitted.
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab ; submitted.

No. 4 Presto in C major - Carey

No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K ; submitted.

No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major - Numerian


Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Valencia :submitted.

No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major - Morodiene
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya

No. 5 Allegretto in A major - Ganddalf: submitted.

No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major - Numerian


Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener : submitted.

No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO

No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen ; submitted.
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major - LadyChen in the process!

No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener ; submitted.

Wow, well done so far dudes and dudettes, and to those without the word "submitted" next to their name:

I need to practice as well!!! Please!! It doesnt have to be perfect, just the best you can do is all anyone can do!!
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/18/13 06:59 PM

wow Morodiene - you're a busy guy!
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/18/13 07:08 PM

My pieces have been recorded a few days. I've been struggling with the Movie Maker and the final uploading thingummy. I've just finished doing one of 'em and am off to bed.

The final one I'll do tomorrow. It will be much quicker now I've the hang of this stuff. I'll send you the links tomorrow evening, Rossy.

These are supposed to be unlisted, yes?

I've no text - I'm just glad to have got them as far as YouTube!

If you lose a link on an unlisted video can you find it again? I did a trial file (all the files have been a trial!) and don't know what happened to it. I don't need it - just curious!
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/18/13 07:20 PM

When logged into YouTube you can see all your videos, including the unlisted ones. Click on the one you want and copy the address from your browser's URL field.
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/19/13 12:16 AM

waaah I want to be a not-a-procrastinator like everyone else! Phooey!

Well, I have my "worst case scenario" recorded, so if it comes to that, I can use it. I prefer not to.
But it's something just in case! Hopefully now I will relax and do better laugh

I don't think it will be presto in a certain-amount-of-bpm sense, but it will be presto in an "as rapidly as possible" sense. As in "as-rapidly-as-*I*-can-play-it-without-sounding-too-horrible" sense.
Posted by: DanS

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/19/13 09:46 AM

Recorded mine last night. Will submit it today (hopefully).
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/19/13 11:04 AM

Thanks folks, and here is the latest update with zrtf90's pieces handed in.

UPdate on handed in pieces:


Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy/Beric : submitted.
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK : submitted.

No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S

No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie/ covered by Beric and submitted.
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf ; Submitted.
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo ; Submitted.



Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia ; submitted.

No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor - Numerian

No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88

No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor -DanS

No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric ; submitted.
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday ; submitted.


Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic ; submitted
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY ; not bleeding far off if i wasnt here!

No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major - Morodiene

No. 4 Andante in A major - peterws; submitted.
No. 5 Agitato in A minor - Dipsy; very soon to be submitted.
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S; submitted.

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Morodiene

No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf;submitted.
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor - musicusblau ; submitted.

No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff

No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S; submitted.
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major: -DanS/ covered by kaz63piano,and submitted.

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90 ; submitted.

No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major - Oleg Yakerevich:submitted.
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90 ; submitted.

No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major - Oleg Yakerevich ; submitted.
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday/ covered by Ganddalf and submited.

No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major - Numerian

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab : submitted.
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic ;submitted.
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab ; submitted.

No. 4 Presto in C major - Carey

No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K ; submitted.

No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major - Numerian


Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Valencia :submitted.

No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major - Morodiene
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya

No. 5 Allegretto in A major - Ganddalf: submitted.

No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major - Numerian


Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener : submitted.

No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO

No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen ; submitted.
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major - LadyChen in the process!

No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener ; submitted.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/19/13 06:00 PM

Finished my first round of recordings which I can use as a last resort. I'd like to take some time tomorrow and see if I can improve upon them a bit. If not, at least I have something to fill the spot smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/20/13 06:25 AM

Same here Morodiene, got "a" recording lol, worse case, wink planning a last attempt today, sorry to leave it to the last min' Rossy smile
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/20/13 06:37 AM

Will have mine in today.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/20/13 08:03 AM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Same here Morodiene, got "a" recording lol, worse case, wink planning a last attempt today, sorry to leave it to the last min' Rossy smile


Nothing like a deadline to motivate wink
Posted by: Numerian

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/20/13 08:15 AM

Working on the recording today but having trouble getting a camera and tripod. I hope there are no penalties for posting only the audio.

Numerian.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/20/13 08:33 AM

Originally Posted By: Numerian
Working on the recording today but having trouble getting a camera and tripod. I hope there are no penalties for posting only the audio.

Numerian.



I contemplated this too, since I recorded the audio on my H4 and video with my camera. We'll see if I can put them together somehow lol! If not, I'll just make a video of some nice paintings or something to help evoke the mood/distract from the mistakes smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/20/13 01:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
If not, I'll just make a video of some nice paintings or something to help evoke the mood/distract from the mistakes smile


Lol smile

Mine's in, not great, but I tried ha ha smile
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/20/13 04:32 PM

Can't believe how bad it sounds...want to try for another take later today. So disappointed that it's not the way it sounds in my head.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/20/13 08:03 PM

Funny what just one more day does. I'm happy I tried all 3 pieces again, because I didn't end up having to use my "mistake-ridden-worst-case-scenarios". Now I'm happy with some mistakes but overall accurate playing. The only one that I am not happy with is my Op 38/3, I think this just needs more time than what I've given it and so the musicality suffers a bit.

Also, I wasn't able to get my audio synced up with the video, so I used my camera audio. Not awful, but definitely not as nice. Maybe I'll keep fiddling with it and see if I can get that fixed.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/20/13 08:08 PM

My recording is done, but I won't be able to upload it until tomorrow.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/20/13 08:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene

Also, I wasn't able to get my audio synced up with the video, so I used my camera audio. Not awful, but definitely not as nice. Maybe I'll keep fiddling with it and see if I can get that fixed.


That's the most annoying aspect of making a video, syncing the audio with the video. That's the reason why I don't do real videos that often.

Sam
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/20/13 10:49 PM

I got one ok take. But cannot upload until tomorrow. I kept the tape running so it has lots of unnecessary parts, ie., dog barking, husband getting tripped over extension code and my own swearing.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 03:13 AM

Farmgirl, we insist on dogs barking husband tripping and you swearing on your take,please!

Right folks here is the latest update:


UPdate on handed in pieces:


Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy/Beric : submitted.
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK : submitted.

No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S : submitted.

No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie/ covered by Beric and submitted.
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf ; Submitted.
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo ; Submitted.


Thats a complete opus folks excellent!!!




Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia ; submitted.

No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor - Numerian

No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88

No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor - submitted.

No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric ; submitted.
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday ; submitted.


Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic ; submitted
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY ; promised to hand it in to self.

No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major - Morodiene submitted.

No. 4 Andante in A major - peterws; submitted.
No. 5 Agitato in A minor - Dipsy; very soon to be submitted.
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S; submitted.

effectively another complete opus because I will hand mine in to myself.


Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Morodiene: submitted.

No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf;submitted.
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor - musicusblau ; submitted.

No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff : semi-submitted.

No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S; submitted.




Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90 ; submitted.

No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major - Oleg Yakerevich:submitted.
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90 ; submitted.

No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major - Oleg Yakerevich ; submitted.
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday/ covered by Ganddalf and submited.

No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major - Numerian



Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab : submitted.
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic ;submitted.
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab ; submitted.

No. 4 Presto in C major - Carey

No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K ; submitted.

No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major - Numerian


Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Valencia :submitted.

No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs ; submitted.
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major - Morodiene; submitted.
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya: submitted.

No. 5 Allegretto in A major - Ganddalf: submitted.

No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major - Numerian


Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener : submitted.

No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl ; in the process.
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO; in the process.

No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen ; submitted.
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major - LadyChen in the process!

No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener ; submitted.


Fantastic and that means the first opus is good to go , I think about 5pm UK time monday, all things being equal.

I am now awaiting Numerian,Carey,and pianostudent 88's submissions.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 07:37 AM

You can do it, Numerian,Carey,and pianostudent 88!!

Farmgirl, I'm pretty sure every recording has the extra sound effects LOL! Mine consisted of, "Why the #%^% is this thing not on?" (thus why I used the audio from my camera instead of the H4) and "What the @#$@# did I just play?". Hubby knew to make himself scarce during the recording process. wink
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 08:34 AM

Ok...time to learn how to upload to youtube. I've had the youtube account for two years but am much too private to put videos out on public display. This Mendelssohn SWW has been a new challenge. There has been much accomplished and much that could be improved but still a step forward in the piano journey to share music with others.
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 11:58 AM

Rossy, I PMed you my video. It's fringly ugly... As an always last minute person, I started playing this Saturday morning (ok, I did it a little 20 years ago - but i did not have the technique to play then. Now I have it but became lazy). I played it at the studio class saturday afternoon staring at the score. my teacher was apalled. is it due today.. why didn't you do this earlier.. I agree. when wisebuff came to Phoenix, she even suggested we do it then.. oh well my hubby told me i also look like a homeless woman. believe me i look much better than. please wisebuff tell people that i actually an ok looking person. oh.. i am late for the church. i have a concert today at church i have to sing. i am a leading soprano. unbeknown to everyone, i actually had to cut shower because i was doing this...
Posted by: peterws

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 02:09 PM

"oh well my hubby told me i also look like a homeless woman. believe me i look much better than. please wisebuff tell people that i actually an ok looking person"

There`s more to this recital than meets the ear . . . this is gonna be better than anyone ever thought . . . Can`t wait!
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 03:08 PM

Video uploaded and PM sent.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 03:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Morodiene: submitted.

No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf;submitted.
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor - musicusblau ; submitted.

No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff : semi-submitted.

No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S; submitted.

Are we completely missing Op. 53 No. 6?
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 03:17 PM

No, we're not. Op 53/6 is in. Rossy's copying is flawed but he's currently up against it.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 03:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky

Fantastic and that means the first opus is good to go , I think about 5pm UK time monday, all things being equal.


Gees, I thought it was starting today, kept popping in, thinking "where on earth is Rossy with the posting" lol
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 03:44 PM

Hey I sent PM with video links. I sent two - one with family noise and other without. Is this how submission works. Let me know if you want me to do things differently. I have one more hour before our choir consert.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 03:46 PM

FarmGirl, yes, to submit you send Rostosky the video links. You can also send Rostosky any comments you want to make about the piece, if you want to make comments for people to read.
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 04:04 PM

Thank you.
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 04:20 PM

Here it’s 10:20 PM... Where are you Rossy?? I wanted to listen to the first part of the recital today cry .
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 04:43 PM

Give the poor guy some time...not only was he preparing a song, he has to handle everyone's last-minute submissions and sort through all the PMs. smile
Posted by: carey

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 04:51 PM

Well doggone it -

I was ready to record - then got sick about 10 days ago - and have been in bed most of the time since then.

On the mend - but probably won't be able to record for another 2-3 days.

Sorry folks !!!

Carey
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 04:52 PM

Well, I’m off to bed, tomorrow is Monday. I hope Rossy is doing good and just busy with last minute submissions.

Night!

Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 05:54 PM

Right folks here is the latest update:


UPdate on handed in pieces:


Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy/Beric : submitted.
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK : submitted.

No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S : submitted.

No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie/ covered by Beric and submitted.
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf ; Submitted.
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo ; Submitted.


Thats a complete opus folks excellent!!!




Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia ; submitted.

No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor - Numerian

No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88;submitted.

No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor - submitted.

No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric ; submitted.
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday ; submitted.


Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic ; submitted
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY ; promised to hand it in to self.

No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major - Morodiene submitted.

No. 4 Andante in A major - peterws; submitted.
No. 5 Agitato in A minor - Dipsy; very soon to be submitted.
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S; submitted.

effectively another complete opus because I will hand mine in to myself.


Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Morodiene: submitted.

No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf;submitted.
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor - musicusblau ; submitted.

No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff : submitted.

No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S; submitted.

No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major - Kaz63piano : submitted.


Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90 ; submitted.

No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major - Oleg Yakerevich:submitted.
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90 ; submitted.

No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major - Oleg Yakerevich ; submitted.
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday/ covered by Ganddalf and submited.

No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major - Numerian



Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab : submitted.
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic ;submitted.
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab ; submitted.

No. 4 Presto in C major - Carey

No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K ; submitted.

No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major - Numerian


Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Valencia :submitted.

No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs ; submitted.
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major - Morodiene; submitted.
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya: submitted.

No. 5 Allegretto in A major - Ganddalf: submitted.

No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major - Numerian


Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener : submitted.

No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl ; Submitted.
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO; allmost submitted.

No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen ; submitted.
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major - LadyChen ; submitted.

No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener ; submitted.

That just leaves Numerian and carey whom I believe are onto it.


Tommorrow at five our time UK time, I will post the first opus!! yeeha.

Twenty nine people in total,

If all twenty nine just sent me three pms, its a massive pm overload !! And thats not counting folk who changed their links when they got a better "take"
Or my practice time.. ( or lack thereof!)
Did I mention I just drove 279 miles today after recording Beric's pieces for him?

I am trying, really, like a lot.
nervous breakdown booked for next saturday at around 3.lol.
Posted by: Pavel.K

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 06:13 PM

ROSSY, you are doing great! Thank you smile
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 06:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky

nervous breakdown booked for next saturday at around 3.lol.


I'll pencil you in. smile
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 06:42 PM

Thank you Rossy for the patience with me posting a youtube video (first time for everything). I didn't give you a comment to include but here is mine:

FarmGirl and I stand together untied to verify that we are much more beautiful, talented and cool than our Mendelssohn videos might suggest. It's the camera you know. Now I understand why TV personalities are a size zero.

My piece was 53 no 4 also known as Sorrow of the Soul. I'm dedicating it to several friends (including my best friend) who have been diagnosed with various forms of cancer. Life's ups and downs are not always pleasant and all we have is the moment at hand to live with all we've got. I think this music suggests peace with that intensity. Love to all my PW friends who show the power of music.
Posted by: Numerian

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/21/13 08:07 PM

After six hours of fruitless attempts to upload my file on YouTube, I found the secret to success was to switch from Explorer to Firefox. Simple.

The following are now on YouTube under Mendelssohn Numerian:

30/2
62/6
67/6
85/6
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 02:39 AM

Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
Thank you Rossy for the patience with me posting a youtube video (first time for everything). I didn't give you a comment to include but here is mine:

FarmGirl and I stand together untied to verify that we are much more beautiful, talented and cool than our Mendelssohn videos might suggest. It's the camera you know. Now I understand why TV personalities are a size zero.

My piece was 53 no 4 also known as Sorrow of the Soul. I'm dedicating it to several friends (including my best friend) who have been diagnosed with various forms of cancer. Life's ups and downs are not always pleasant and all we have is the moment at hand to live with all we've got. I think this music suggests peace with that intensity. Love to all my PW friends who show the power of music.


WiseBuff - thank you for your kind comments. It is wonderful for you to dedicate the work.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 05:39 AM

Originally Posted By: Numerian
After six hours of fruitless attempts to upload my file on YouTube, I found the secret to success was to switch from Explorer to Firefox. Simple.

The following are now on YouTube under Mendelssohn Numerian:

30/2
62/6
67/6
85/6




well thats novel "heres my links go and find them"

I wasnt planning on a fishing trip today as I thought I had enough to be getting on with, lol.

Thanks Numerian, it isnt a problem really at all, but I am so happy that everyone didnt do that, nervous breakdown brought forward to friday 3pm.

just one piece that is outstanding, but I am assured carey will do their best after an unexpected illness.

Awesome.
Posted by: Numerian

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 06:48 AM

Sorry, Rossy. I thought it was too late your time to send you anything and still meet the deadline, and I took the instructions to "post on YouTube" too literally. If only I had known much earlier that the browser makes a difference when it comes to dealing with YouTube. It's almost as if the owner of YouTube, which is Google, doesn't want to make it easier for people using Microsoft to access their product.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 07:04 AM

Indeed numerian, really its no problem, I have allready gone and got the links and compiled them into the structure, I was just joking a little due to a mendelssohn related stress issue I have aquired. lol.

it is entirely possible that google is trying to take over the world.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 11:18 AM

Okay folks, its done!!!

The first six from opus one can now be perused over on RST (Rostoskys serious thread)

This is where the Idea of the themed recital was first proposed and realised, back with Phillip Glass and then Satie.

Nobody thought it would germinate and grow into such an event, in fact to a few it seemed like a big ask....

Congratulations to all, please go and begin to enjoy the fruits of your labours!!

The next opus will be posted tommorrow, and the next the day after etc.
Posted by: Pavel.K

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 12:02 PM

Rossy, this is great.
Have you been thinking about creating special thread for it? It could be pinned on the top for a few weeks...as we are used to the regular recital.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 12:57 PM

Book 1, Opus 19, starts here.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 01:41 PM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Book 1, Opus 19, starts here.


These really deserve individual threads, and I'm certain the moderator would sticky them for you!!!


I plan to start listening very soon!
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 02:09 PM

When Griffin did the Satie postings, he did an additional seperate thread, but as this is so big, old Rossy might be worn out lol smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 02:10 PM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Book 1, Opus 19, starts here.


wink
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly
These really deserve individual threads, and I'm certain the moderator would sticky them for you!!!

casinitaly, are you thinking an individual thread for each of the eight books of Songs Without Words, or simply an individual thread for each themed recital?

Rostosky, if you would like I can put together the individual thread (or threads), so you don't have to do all the work of posting the 48 pieces all over again.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 02:17 PM

That would be great, I think just one thread for the whole recital.
Posted by: Pavel.K

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 02:27 PM

Yes, one thread for the whole recital would be great, please. smile

Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 02:47 PM

Okay I am onto it!!

I will start a new thread right away!

It will be easier for me to sort it now rather than later.

off to sort it.
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 02:50 PM

Thanks Rossy!
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 02:53 PM

Thanks Rostosky for all the superhuman work you are doing on this recital.

And thanks wayne33yrs for all the work you did to get all the Songs Without Words covered. Listening to the first book, it is really nice to have all the pieces and have the prospect of hearing all of them through the next seven books.

And thanks to everyone who has prepared a piece or pieces. Listening to the first book, everyone has been working very hard and it shows.
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 03:00 PM

I agree with PS88, Wayne did a fantastic work to get participants for this recital.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 03:07 PM

Right, due to public demand (ing) the mendelssohn recital will now be held on its own thread entitled "MENDELSSOHN RECITAL HOME"

This will make everyone content and happy and life will be good.

most excellent. lol.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 03:47 PM

Cheers Guys,............ cheers Rossy smile Wayne is happy smile
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 09:12 PM

Wayne and Rossy both deserves a pint, the biggest room temperature beer you have ever seen. I will buy you a plate of English foods such as Fish'n Chips, Creamed herring, Kippers accompanied by peas in three different forms, creamed, mashed and poached. Thank you do much!

In case, you are not English, I better throw in Haggis and Shepherd's pie. I will promise 100% beef.
Posted by: earlofmar

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 09:56 PM

a little aside from the important subject - but Chicken tikka masala is now supposedly the UK national dish

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tikka_masala
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! - 04/22/13 10:25 PM

Originally Posted By: earlofmar
a little aside from the important subject - but Chicken tikka masala is now supposedly the UK national dish

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tikka_masala


Ahh that I can eat. Ok I will buy you guys a pint of beer with a plate of Chicken Tikka Masala.