Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing?

Posted by: fizikisto

Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/25/13 10:20 PM

This may seem like a weird question, but the thought occurred to me earlier and I thought I'd ask. I'm not talking about subliminal CD's or "self hypnosis" CD's that you can get on ebay or whatever (such things strike me as being of very dubious value). But I'm just wondering if working with a real hypnotist would possibly lead to improved playing or better practice. I could imagine a hypnotist helping you train your body to relax, or to increase your concentration when you sit down at the piano, or to give you more confidence when you play in front of others, maybe improve sight reading, etc...

I'm just curious if anyone has tried anything like that. And if so, did you find benefit from it?
Posted by: Derulux

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 01:07 AM

To me, hypnosis is a useless art. That is because it doesn't work (mostly). I think it would be more advantageous to work on technique (not necessarily meaning your pianistic technique, but perhaps your practicing routine/technique), than to practice hypnotizing yourself. One seems to be oriented in working towards your ultimate goal, while the other seems to be a "quick fix so you don't have to do the work" approach.

I don't mean to say that's what you're attempting, but that is certainly the way it sounds. It's like people who try to hypnotize themselves into eating less so they can lose weight. You don't need hypnosis. Just eat less. Accomplishes the same thing without wasting your money on hypnosis. wink
Posted by: BenPiano

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 01:28 AM

I slept with my head on a piano book to test osmosis once. In the end, I learned nothing and just drooled all over the book. whome

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helping you train your body to relax, or to increase your concentration when you sit down at the piano, or to give you more confidence when you play in front of others, maybe improve sight reading, etc...


I've found this all really just comes with time, practice, and familiarity.

I can relax because I'm familiar with the piece and the piano. I'm familiar with the piece and piano because I practiced it, and many like it. I practiced these pieces because I've been learning this thing for a relatively long time. etc...

There is no magic potion or hypnosis that can replace what good ol' practice can do.

Learning and practicing piano is really a long term endeavor.

Look deeply into my eyes, and start practicing every day, with a 5 year goal of completely surprising folks you know with mad piano skills you learned while they weren't paying attention.

*snap*
Posted by: hamlet cat

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 02:47 AM

How about zen and meditation? Working the ability to focus your mind and energy.
Posted by: Bobpickle

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 03:15 AM

Well, let's examine the question. Let's pretend it's ultimately for assisting in a performance of a piece of music. First of all, what factors go into how the performance turns out?

1)Presence of nervousness and the degree (this could include, but not be limited to, experience in performing as well)
2)Interpretation of a piece of music
3)How that piece of music was practiced, broken down, and memorized

With this understanding in mind,

1)Hypnosis in theory could feasibly help with nervousness possibly directly through maybe helping you relax both physically and mentally or indirectly by helping you stick to (but not develop) better - possibly more public - practice regimens.
2)An interpretation of a piece of music and how you thus think it should be presented/performed is your own unique conception. It is thus unlikely that hypnosis or hypnotherapy (which is designed to help induce changes of behavior or habits) will do anything to enhance this. Could you "hypnotize" - in the cliched sense of the term - yourself to better like aspects of certain other interpretations? Perhaps, but this isn't the question. Just listen to more music and a wider variety of interpretations for this result.
3)Number three is interesting. Will hypnotherapy give you better practice methods? Not directly, no. If hypnotherapy could enhance your ability to focus (this is all conjecture), then it could help your practice methods indirectly. Your time is better off spent learning how to improve these practice methods and how to integrate them into your specific lifestyle and time constraints rather than look elsewhere for results. If you've already developed a professional technique and mastered a mountain of impressive repertoire and seek the assistance of hypnosis to calm yourself in performance, then that's one thing, but there's really nothing other than high-quality practicing and high-quality devotion that will yield results.


You bring up an interesting question, but what it ultimately all comes down to is discipline - whether it's to always strive to try something new and better or to just stick to a time-tested routine you've already had success with.

edit: oh, and the sight-reading doesn't make sense. Hypnosis isn't going to teach your brain things it doesn't already know like how to digest and translate into fingerings and an interpretation a large mass of musical notes on a page you've never seen before - only being taught how to practice and overcome various difficulties and then a heck of a lot of practicing.
Posted by: wouter79

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 04:12 AM

I have no idea if this would work and if the results would be stable.

I read a few amazing reports of people that suddenly played very good after hypnosis.

There is even a CD that does what you suggest

http://www.stevegjones.com/playingpianoselfhypnosiscdmp3.htm

Posted by: Stephen300o

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 05:15 AM

I . highly . recommend . hypnosis . It . has . helped . me . a . great . deal. . cluck..

wink
Meditation is good, clears the mind to help concentrate on one thing at a time.
Posted by: albynism

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 07:11 AM

I don't know if this classified as hypnosis but before my grade 6 exam, for the fun of it, I went to YouTube and watch this entire "self hypnosis" clip that basically just shows text like you will do well, you will succeed, over and over again. Anyway I got an A for that exam. The next exam I didn't do that and I got a B+. Before a yearly recital, I was looking at piano fail videos, chucking a good laugh, and during the recital I completely stuffed up and made a fool out of myself that I could have fittingly appear in the fail videos myself. I don't know whether this is all just a coincidence but perhaps it may affect your confidence at the very least.

Edit- ok just read the original post properly so ignore my rambling. I never had experience with a proper hypnotist before.
Posted by: John_In_Montreal

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 10:17 AM

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Steve G. Jones, M.Ed., Clinical Hypnotherapist, charges $1,500 for a custom recording and $25,000 for a one-hour private hypnotherapy session at his office. but you can get all the benefits for this low price.


Ouch... $25,000 for a 1 hour private session! Imagine how many years of lessons you could get for that smile

On a more positive note, there's not much difference between self-hypnosis and one done by a therapist. Both aim to relax you and instill positive mental images and behavioural suggestions. It is worth an honest try, to supplement or assist in learning; but I highly doubt that its a quick path to mastery.

We spend all day suggesting things to ourselves in that incessant mental verbiage. Just think of what you tell yourself when you practice and make mistakes... some make no big deal out of it, others will call themselves by all sorts of names. Reminds me of a phrase I read in Kenny Werner's book: "if you think your instrument is hard, then it will be"; or Henry Ford: "Wether you think you're right or wether you think you're wrong, you're rignt". Its all self-suggestion or handed down by people one has faith in.

John

Originally Posted By: wouter79

There is even a CD that does what you suggest

http://www.stevegjones.com/playingpianoselfhypnosiscdmp3.htm

Posted by: fizikisto

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 10:44 AM

Oh, I never thought that it would be a quick path to mastery, or even a shortcut. I don't even know if it has any value at all. I was just curious if anyone had explored it before. I know sometimes I sit down to practice and everything just clicks. My fingers do exactly what I want when I want. Other days I sit down and it's like someone secretly replaced my 8 fingers with thumbs or something. I wonder if hypnosis would help me have more days like the former and fewer days like that latter.
Posted by: piano_deb

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 10:46 AM

The most useful hypnotic suggestion might just be to practice more. "The piano is love ... go the piano ... the bench is your safe place ... the keys are your friends, you want to greet them every day ... play ... play ... play ... practice is good ... the piano is love ..."

Seriously, I believe that anything that helps us relax and focus more effectively at the piano is worth exploring, and certainly hypnosis can be a tool in reducing performance anxiety, etc. But the real key to becoming a better player/performance is thoughtful, focused practice. Not that I'm any expert ... I'm the world's worst at not putting in enough time on the bench. *sigh*

Where did you say you found a hypnotist? smile
Posted by: piano_deb

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 10:50 AM

Originally Posted By: fizikisto
Oh, I never thought that it would be a quick path to mastery, or even a shortcut. I don't even know if it has any value at all. I was just curious if anyone had explored it before. I know sometimes I sit down to practice and everything just clicks. My fingers do exactly what I want when I want. Other days I sit down and it's like someone secretly replaced my 8 fingers with thumbs or something. I wonder if hypnosis would help me have more days like the former and fewer days like that latter.

I have the same problem with "on" and "off" days. If you ever find the solution, I'll give you 10 thumbs up.
Posted by: fizikisto

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 11:57 AM

Hi Piano_deb. Small world, I'm from Memphis too smile Yes, I agree that nothing can replace focused, thoughtful practice. I just wonder if maybe hypnosis could help make more of our practice be that way. I also think your idea of using hypnosis to want to practice more is interesting. Some days it really does feel like a chore to make time for the piano (yet oddly once I'm there it doesn't feel like a chore any more smile. Though one of the reasons I said I wondered about a real hypnotist (as opposed to self hypnosis cd's) is that a real hypnotist could customize your sessions to work on specific things whereas a CD is more cookie cutter (and I don't know if those CD's actually hypnotize you or not...they seem more like they would be guided visualization than hypnosis to me). Anyway, if I ever do figure out the solution to off days I'll be sure to drop you a line. wink
Posted by: rada

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 12:07 PM

Some people seem to spend their time figuring how to try to do something [ likes losing weight or playing the piano] rather than using that time to get in there and do it. Time is not a luxury.

rada
Posted by: jdw

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 12:26 PM

I have no experience with hypnosis, but as a few others have said, I've gotten a lot of benefit from meditation (Kenny Werner's book can be a great help with focus and relaxation).

My guess is that self-hypnosis might actually be more effective than a pricey hypnotist. There are similarities to meditation, in that you want to condition yourself to have the automatic reactions you want (relaxation and concentration) rather than the reactions you don't want (tension, anxiety). The thing is, this takes consistent practice--which could run into a lot of money if you're paying someone else to do it.
Posted by: rocket88

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 12:34 PM


Hypnosis might help with performance anxiety.

Correct practice is the only way to truly get better at playing the piano.
Posted by: zillybug

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 01:23 PM

I did use hypnosis many years ago to deal with a very stressful time in my life and to get over my fear of flying. I used a local hypnotherapist and the price for one session was about equivalent to what I pay for a one hour private lesson. I had great results. She recorded the session and gave you the recording to use at home so I only went about 3 times. I have thought of using it for performance anxiety since I have always struggled with that. I have no problem putting in the practice time. I love the piano and regularly practice between 2 and 3 hours a day. However, is frustrating when I can play a piece fine at home and then sometimes even in my lesson become nervous. Of course playing in a recital is much worse. I often practice at the studio where I take lessons for part of the time so my teacher hears me and I play fine when I don't know he's listening. He often jokes about doing my lesson from the hall. If I decide to have a couple of sessions to try to deal with the performance anxiety, I'll let you know how it turns out. However, I think results will vary according to the person and the therapist. For hypnosis to work well, you have to trust the therapist and the more you are able to concentrate and focus the more effective it will be.
Zillybug
Posted by: fizikisto

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 02:45 PM

rada,
That's a pretty unfair assumption, and as the OP of this question I can't help but think that your comments are directed at least in part towards me. I also think you're completely wrong in principle. Of course if you never practice (you're right, some people find any excuse not to practice), you'll never get better. As I said in another post, thoughtful, focused practice is essential to learning, there's no substitute for it.

But, Practicing without thinking is a good way to never grow as an artist. I may still be a beginner, but I practice a lot. I'm working my rear end off to get better. I even get up at 4:30 a.m. every morning to make sure that I have time to get a minimum of 1.5 hours of practice in every day. Some days that's a real chore, but I do it because I've fallen in love with making music and I know that consistent daily practice is the best way to get good at it.

But I don't just practice mindlessly. I evaluate how effective my practice is (that's why I get up so early, from my practice experiments I was able to determine that I do a lot better when I'm practicing early). I also have martial arts practice most nights which takes away time from my evenings. So I got a second keyboard for my office so that I could spend time practicing piano during my breaks at work.

So yes, I sometimes spend time trying to find out about what other players do so that I can learn from their discoveries and make my practice time more effective and more efficient or even more fun. Or sometimes I spend time trying to find better ways to do the things I'm doing. Now I will admit that the hypnosis thing is way out of the box, but that's exactly why I thought it would be fun to ask about it here. And knows, maybe someone has found it a useful too and is willing to share. I'm not sure why people assumed I was looking for some kind of easy fix or shortcut. But whatever. smile

And by the way, Losing weight is not as simple as "getting in there and doing it" either. If it were, a lot fewer people would struggle with weight. A huge majority of dieters lose weight only to gain back more than they started with. There are lots of reasons why that's true, but the point is that there's more to losing weight than simply dieting. Effective lifestyle change requires thought and planning as well as effort and discipline. It is possible to work hard AND think about things. Personally I often find it a useful combination.
Posted by: fizikisto

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 02:57 PM

Zillybug,
That's very interesting. I'm glad that hypnosis was able to help you with your fear of flying. That's pretty cool. If you do try hypnosis for your piano anxiety and find it efficacious, I'd be very interested to know about it. In my wonderings about hypnosis, my thoughts were that it would possibly mainly be good for relaxation and focus. Did you find the recordings of the session were actually able to put you in the hypnotic state the same as the in person hypnotist? It may be silly, but sometimes I imagine people watching me practice. I think it helps me get used to the idea of playing in front of others.
Posted by: zillybug

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 04:16 PM

The recordings do help and with practice you can get into the same state. Actually, a very small percentage of people go into very deep hypnosis like you see in shows. Most of us only go into a state of deep relaxation that is similar to meditation but that can still be quite effective. The therapist told me to use the recordings every day for about 6 to 8 weeks for it to get the best results. The same therapist also led meditation groups that I joined. She taught different forms of meditation but started with a guided one since that is the easiest. I have always believed in the mind body connection and my experience in that group really reinforced it. i was having a great deal of difficulty with asthma the first night and thought I would have to leave as to not disturb the group. After she started the guided meditation, I stopped wheezing and coughing within about 5 minutes. I am thinking about going for a session for performance anxiety as I am tired of feeling scared every time I perform.
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 05:23 PM

I'm very interested in mind-body connection and in the power of the mind, not in some New Age or spiritual sort of way but as a physiological phenomenon. I really think that if we could train our mind the right way, we could do almost anything and feel good all the time, no matter what happens to us. I struggle a lot with bad temper and bad attitudes and I envy people who are always content and peaceful. It has something to do with genetics but one can definitely train oneself and replace bad habits with good habits. Piano playing is one of these mind-body activities that require lots of focus and relaxation, so meditation, autogenic training and things like that should be extremely beneficial.
Posted by: piano_deb

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 05:49 PM

Originally Posted By: fizikisto
It is possible to work hard AND think about things. Personally I often find it a useful combination.

+1

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Zillybug, your experiences with therapy/meditation sound really interesting. I would expect that utilizing similar processes could help you deal with performance anxiety. And, of course, there's all the standard advice: develop a performance routine for approaching the bench and beginning a piece, and follow it every time ... Play at least a little bit for every possible listener including family, visiting friends, the mailman, the cable guy ... Picture the audience naked ...

Oh, no! Not that last one!

Why in the world do people say to picture one's audience naked? That's disturbing. I'm all for nakedness of the right person at the right time, but a roomful of strangers (or, worse, friends and family)?? Heaven forfend!
Posted by: peterws

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 06:09 PM

I was going to suggest a stiff drink might help . . . many top line musicians are well into this as you`ll know . . .perhaps even those much loved composers . . .

Doesn`t sound so good does it?
Posted by: piano_deb

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 06:11 PM

Originally Posted By: fizikisto
Hi Piano_deb. Small world, I'm from Memphis too smile

You're in Hernando?? Look out your window, fizikisto. I'm the one waving really hard. smile
Posted by: zillybug

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 10:30 PM

Hi Piano Deb,
Thanks for the suggestions. I do try to play for others as often as I can. At this point, that does not make me too nervous.
it's when it is a more formal setting like a recital. The funny thing is I only have performance anxiety related to the piano. i speak and do trainings quite often for work and a s a child danced on stage many times and enjoyed it. I started piano seriously fairly late, in college so i thought that might have something to do with it. however, when my daughters were young and skated in competitions, I spent so much time at the rink that I took lessons. While I did not compete, I did take tests in front of judges and was fine. I tried to do a double major in college but did not finish the music, partly due to the fact that the school decided in my junior year that not just the piano performance majors but everyone would have to do a senior recital. I could barely get through the jury exams. My hands would shake constantly and it is hard to play well when your hands won't stop shaking. My teacher at the school left at the end of my junior year and my teacher at home moved. The teacher i had in my senior year was not a good fit and I got discouraged and quit piano in the middle of my senior year. I played for awhile on my own. Then I got married and had kids and work and did not touch a piano for over 35 years. Two years ago I started to play a little on my own and then started lessons again, Of course I wish I had not given up all those years ago but I am so happy that I have found the piano again. I can't imagine not playing now. I work part time now so have lots of time to practice.
Posted by: piano_deb

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 10:52 PM

Zillybug, what an interesting history. With your many successful performance experiences, I suspect your real problems with piano performance are related to your college-age experiences. Not feeling up to doing the senior recital, not getting to complete the double major you wanted, losing teachers you worked well with at home and school, being left with a "bad fit" teacher ... One negative event after another, capped by giving up piano altogether.

I'm no therapist, but I do know there's a psychological theory (probably more than one) that says we can get partially "stuck" at a younger age, mentally and emotionally, in response to negative experiences. No matter how well we mature in other areas of our life, in the affected area, we remain stuck, feeling/responding like we did at the original age, until we can undo the damage.

Something like that may be happening here, as performance anxiety doesn't seem to be a problem for you except when it comes to piano. Perhaps you could raise this question with the therapist/hypnotist/meditation teacher you mentioned previously (or another professional).

I love that you finally returned to piano and are enjoying it. Happiness at the bench!
Posted by: Derulux

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/26/13 11:57 PM

Originally Posted By: John_In_Montreal
Quote:
Steve G. Jones, M.Ed., Clinical Hypnotherapist, charges $1,500 for a custom recording and $25,000 for a one-hour private hypnotherapy session at his office. but you can get all the benefits for this low price.


Ouch... $25,000 for a 1 hour private session! Imagine how many years of lessons you could get for that smile

For $25,000 an hour, I'll teach anyone piano. I'll even fly to wherever you are free of charge. Any takers?
Posted by: ChopinAddict

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/27/13 12:13 AM

WOW. I could buy a house after just a few sessions. AND a Steinway D to put in it. I have always been a bit psychic (I think of people who haven't written for months and get an email from them or even sad cases like once I suddenly thought of a former friend, looked her up to see if she had a Facebook page or a website, and her funeral was the day after frown )
Maybe I should get into hypnosis as a second career - just for cash. I know it is not the same as being a bit psychic, but I could learn the craft.
Posted by: BillTheSlink

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/27/13 12:43 AM

Perhaps I can be of some help. Before I became disabled I was training to be a mental health counselor at Liberty University. We talked some about hypnosis and the added training it took in order to be qualified to use hypnosis. By all means do not go to someone advertising themselves as a hypnotist in the phone book or something. These people do not have the training required to do hypnosis. Unfortunately the industry isn't regulated. Some will even put letters behind there name signifying membership in an organization, but the organization is bologna. You want to find a psychologist or therapist trained in it.

Hypnosis can indeed help you over come performance anxiety and they would likely have you visualizing your past experiences and addressing them. Bare in mind you have to be naturally inclined to be hypnotized and to retain hypnotic suggestion. My advise before spending that kind of money would be to read a how to essay on progressive relaxation and do it before you play the piano. I am trained in this and in this case it would likely help. I would try progressive relaxation with visualization before hypnosis because you can do it for free and everyone can do it and it might save you a lot of money that may not even work.

I personally would stay away from Zen and Eastern forms of meditation for religious reasons and because you are altering your state of mind without proper training, but that's just my personal opinion.
Posted by: wouter79

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/27/13 06:15 AM

Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict

Maybe I should get into hypnosis as a second career - just for cash. I know it is not the same as being a bit psychic, but I could learn the craft.



Wow, being psychic is even better, what?? Just one time predict and get the winning lottery ticket, sounds even better than $25k per session wink
Posted by: joyoussong

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/27/13 11:02 AM

When I read your original question, my first - flippant - answer was “I thought that’s what Hanon was for!” That aside, Tai Chi is great for improving focus & kinesthetic sense, so it likely would carry over into piano playing. It's relatively cheap to learn, & easy to practice on your own once you've learned a series of movements.
Posted by: chrisbell

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/27/13 11:27 AM

Originally Posted By: joyoussong
. . ., Tai Chi is great for improving focus & kinesthetic sense, so it likely would carry over into piano playing. It's relatively cheap to learn, & easy to practice on your own once you've learned a series of movements.
On that note I highly recommend Feldenkrais "Awareness Through Movement".
Posted by: Derulux

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/27/13 02:14 PM

Originally Posted By: wouter79
Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict

Maybe I should get into hypnosis as a second career - just for cash. I know it is not the same as being a bit psychic, but I could learn the craft.



Wow, being psychic is even better, what?? Just one time predict and get the winning lottery ticket, sounds even better than $25k per session wink

I could never go to a psychic who hadn't won the lottery at least twice. (Once could be luck.) If they win twice, or more, then I really want to be their friend.. and get in their next lottery pool.
Posted by: ChopinAddict

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/27/13 06:16 PM

There is (or was?) a program called "The One" here where famous (?) psychics are put to the test. I stopped watching after a couple of times because most of them got so much wrong that you really had to wonder if it was luck when they got it right (it think it was). None of them has won the lottery.
I would never go to a psychic, but hypnosis to overcome insecurity and fears (in general) could be interesting if done professionally. Unfortunately I am not ready to pay 25,000 for an hour though... I'd rather try to overcome my fears myself, even if it takes longer. There is also more satisfaction in doing it myself.
Posted by: Derulux

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/27/13 06:31 PM

Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
There is (or was?) a program called "The One" here where famous (?) psychics are put to the test. I stopped watching after a couple of times because most of them got so much wrong that you really had to wonder if it was luck when they got it right (it think it was). None of them has won the lottery.
I would never go to a psychic, but hypnosis to overcome insecurity and fears (in general) could be interesting if done professionally. Unfortunately I am not ready to pay 25,000 for an hour though... I'd rather try to overcome my fears myself, even if it takes longer. There is also more satisfaction in doing it myself.

There are a couple ways psychics "get it right." The first is camera trickery.. meaning they perform psychic feats they way Criss Angel does certain card tricks. You walk around asking people until you get it right. Then, you edit out all the bad takes.

The second is by paying actors to stand in for "random civilians".

The third is very similar to sleight of hand, except we'd probably call it sleight of face. They read very subtle facial expressions (pupil dilation, for instance) as a method of determining if what they are saying is resonating with you, and whether that resounding image in your head is "true" or "false". (Similar to a lie detector test.) Then, they simply steer the conversation in ways that ring "true".


Since you mention you're not willing to pay $25,000 an hour, I'll cut you a deal. How much can you spend? Is $15,000 an hour okay? wink
Posted by: ChopinAddict

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/27/13 06:43 PM

No more than $30 - satisfaction guaranteed of course! grin
Posted by: Derulux

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/27/13 07:23 PM

Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
No more than $30 - satisfaction guaranteed of course! grin

If you can guarantee satisfaction, you should up the price! cool
Posted by: ChopinAddict

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/27/13 07:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Derulux
Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
No more than $30 - satisfaction guaranteed of course! grin

If you can guarantee satisfaction, you should up the price! cool


I am willing to pay $30 satisfaction guaranteed. I still have to think about how much I would charge. I guess I must try to be competitive, so less than $25,000 at any rate. wink
Posted by: Derulux

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/27/13 09:33 PM

Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
Originally Posted By: Derulux
Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
No more than $30 - satisfaction guaranteed of course! grin

If you can guarantee satisfaction, you should up the price! cool


I am willing to pay $30 satisfaction guaranteed. I still have to think about how much I would charge. I guess I must try to be competitive, so less than $25,000 at any rate. wink

Ah, in that case, as a psychic, who knows the future, I am afraid I cannot promise anything. smirk
Posted by: zillybug

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/27/13 10:54 PM

Hi piano Deb,
I am sure you are right about that performance anxiety related to piano due to my college experience that last year. I don't regret studying piano in college as I had some wonderful teachers and experiences. I did not mention that my other major that I did complete was psychology and then I later got a Masters in social work. I actually am a mental health professional. I have tried using the cognitive therapy that I often use with clients but it does not work on this. I feel that it is more at the unconscious level and that is why I think hypnosis might help. When I went back to taking lessons two years ago and my teacher wanted me to play in the adult recital after 4 months, I kept trying to tell him I couldn't do it but he kept telling me I could. Of course since I'm an adult I could have just refused. I thought to myself- you counsel people and sometimes about fears and anxiety, it's time you faced your own. I am glad I did it although I was very nervous. I also have training in progressive relaxation, visualization, and guided imagery and also use that with clients and myself. I have since then played and it's getting a little easier but it still is not something that I enjoy. Actually, my best experience was at Summer Keys last summer. It was just so beautiful and relaxing up there. I also went the first session in June so there were only a few of us there and the performance on Friday was very informal so that helped. I plan on going back this year with a friend the last week in June. I'm not brave enough yet to go later in the summer when I hear the church is full during the performances.
Posted by: piano_deb

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 01/29/13 07:11 AM

Well, zillybug, it sounds like the use of hypnosis/therapy for performance anxiety would be (already is) a very good fit for you. I'm glad to hear that you've taken advantage of recent opportunities to play for others, and that you're becoming more comfortable with it even if it's not a favorite activity. I say keep hammering away at that performance anxiety, using all the tools and methodologies at your disposal. smile
Posted by: eurythmylin

Re: Anyone tried hypnosis to improve piano playing? - 08/16/13 05:12 PM

After having my own anxiety about playing and then being trained thoroughly by the Milton H. Erickson, M.D. Institute in therapeutic and medical hypnosis, I definitely discovered it is highly beneficial and helpful. I even made an audio file available to musicians to help them. It's broadly made so that it can be used to address a number of musical growth goals or challenges.

You can see it here: http://musiciansandmorehypnosis.fluidpiano.com/

Feel free to write me if you want to know more about it in advance.