Grieg recital: Proposal.....

Posted by: Rostosky

Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 03:41 PM

Jeg elsker dere.

Okay, Recaredos idea was to do the Grieg lyric pieces next,and a fine idea it is too!!

My Idea was anything by Grieg.

IF, the consensus is "anything"
then,


I "claim" Anitras dance. This is my reward for putting the mendelssohn together! If it doesnt seem fair then argue with me by sending complaints on a postcard to " I dont care, 101 , pontypointless wales" to arrive no later than yesterday.

Thoughts?
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 03:44 PM

- if we're bagging tunes now, I've always wanted to learn 43-1, butterfly.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 03:49 PM


Okay folks we are off, I am a little (big blush) ashamed I do not know any of these to play yet so cannot even hope to make a choice!!

The lyric pieces it is, and Dire tonic has claimed his allready!!


Book I, Op. 12 (composed 1866-7?; published 1867):

No. 1, Arietta
No. 2, Vals (Waltz)
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth)
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance)
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody)
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)

Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy)
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)

Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):



No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :: DIRE TONIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon)
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)

Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)

Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):



No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs)
No. 4, Notturno
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing)

Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)

Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward)

Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

.

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years)
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad)
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen)

Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song)
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains)
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)

Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods)
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances)
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 03:51 PM


I think anything by Grieg is a fine idea. So we can open the recital to more participants.

I’d like to pick up Op 38 No 6, please smile.
Posted by: Saranoya

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 03:52 PM

If Lyric Pieces, I'm in. Though I should probably recuse myself from claiming opus 12 number 2, because that would be too easy laugh.

(look down)
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 03:58 PM

Thats fine Saranoya I have just picked that! Did you mean you did want to do that one or a different one?
Let me know and if you want that one I will change mine.

Updated list: ( Yee ha picked one!)

Book I, Op. 12 (composed 1866-7?; published 1867):

No. 1, Arietta
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Rossy.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth)
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance)
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody)
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)

Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]: Recaredo.
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy)
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)

Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):



No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :: DIRE TONIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon)
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)

Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)

Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):



No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs)
No. 4, Notturno
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing)

Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)

Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward)

Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

.

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years)
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad)
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen)

Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song)
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains)
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)

Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods)
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances)
Posted by: Saranoya

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 04:06 PM

OK. I hereby claim opus 12 nr. 2. And I will look through my music collection for another one to work on, because I'm pretty sure there's more than one of these lyric pieces in the collection I'm currently using at lessons.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 04:07 PM

You mean we can't play the cadenza from the piano concerto??? grin

Let me think. Maybe I'll go back and work on something now that my eye is settling down.
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 04:10 PM

Err, Rossy, 38 - 6 Elegy smile thanks!.
Posted by: Rupak Bhattacharya

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 04:17 PM

Ballad (Op. 65 - 5) for me please blush
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 04:19 PM

Sorry Recaredo, ammended!!

Book I, Op. 12 (composed 1866-7?; published 1867):

No. 1, Arietta : AimeeO
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Saranoya.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth)
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance)
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody)
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)

Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy):Recaredo.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)

Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):



No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :: DIRE TONIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon)
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)

Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)

Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):



No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs)
No. 4, Notturno
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing)

Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)

Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)Pavel.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward)

Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

.

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years)
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad)
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen)

Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song)
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains)
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)

Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods)
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances)
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 04:21 PM

My head still hurts from Mendelssohn!

But I want Arietta op 12 no 1 for now. I love that one, but I should probably look it over. I think the voicing will be good work for me, but I don't want to get in way over my head.
Posted by: Pavel.K

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 04:21 PM

62/5 Phantom, please :-)
Posted by: LadyChen

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 04:27 PM

Grieg's lyric pieces are great -- and contains a wide range of difficulty levels, so hopefully there is something for everyone.

What are you thinking for a deadline? August/September?
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 04:30 PM

Ladychen, at the moment i am listening to them all on youtube to try and pick one for me, I have never heard them.... I feel certain a deadline will be made to suit everyone concerned!

Definately not to clash with the other recitals on PW though before anyone panics !!

AimeeO and pavel.K your choices are now edited into the above list!
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 05:00 PM

I'l take Op 65 no 5 Ballad ooops looked back and see I'm too late!!
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 05:03 PM

Originally Posted By: dynamobt
I'l take Op 65 no 5 Ballad ooops looked back and see I'm too late!!


Your not too late! it hasnt gone !
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 05:06 PM

Still looking
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 05:16 PM

Okay dynamobt you got it...

Book I, Op. 12 (composed 1866-7?; published 1867):

No. 1, Arietta : AimeeO
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Saranoya.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth)
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance)
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody)
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)

Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy):Recaredo.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)

Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):



No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :: DIRE TONIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon)
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)

Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)

Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):



No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs) Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing)

Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)

Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)Pavel.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward)

Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

.

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years)
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad):dynamobt.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen)

Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song)
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains)
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)

Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods)
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances)
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 05:19 PM

NO!!! I want Op 65 no 5 not Wedding Day. Ballad!!!!!
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 05:21 PM

Sorry: sorted !! Three tabs open at once! and making phone calls! Concentrate Rossy. lol.
Posted by: Saranoya

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 05:23 PM

I'll take opus 68 n° 1, too.
Posted by: Pavel.K

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Sorry: sorted !! Three tabs open at once! and making phone calls! Concentrate Rossy. lol.

You are receiving registrations by phone too? Wow! :-D
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 05:29 PM

Saranoya, If no one takes this , then you have first refusal, but lets let it run for a while to see how the take up is.

This is how we worked it on the mendelssohn recital, when some were not taken , then folks could take on extra ones..

Hope this is oK, but it has been noted here, so if it isnt taken then you are first in line.

This is to try and include as many different folk as possible.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 05:31 PM

Pavel.K yes! Beric is better on the phone and the piano than on the internet!!

Posted by: Saranoya

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 05:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Saranoya, If no one takes this , then you have first refusal, but lets let it run for a while to see how the take up is.

This is how we worked it on the mendelssohn recital, when some were not taken , then folks could take on extra ones..

Hope this is oK, but it has been noted here, so if it isnt taken then you are first in line.

This is to try and include as many different folk as possible.


Sure, I understand.

I'm sorry for ignoring the protocol, but I wasn't aware of it ...
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 05:33 PM

No protocol really, no worries, if no one takes it, consider it yours!
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 05:33 PM

Can I have 65/1 & 71/5?
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 06:00 PM

Hm, this is difficult.. Many of these pieces are standard repertoire for us Norwegians. The question is if we should brush up pieces we already know or take the challenge of learning something completely new.

Just preliminary put me up on Op.65/6 - Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen. I would also really like to have op.68/5 - Bådnlåt. But if it turns out to be difficult to cover the many less famous pieces I might reconsider.
Posted by: LimeFriday

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 06:00 PM

Hi all - can I have 68/4 - and if no one wants it 54/6 as well :))

Thanks!
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 06:06 PM

I hadn't realised we we're swallowing these up in pairs. Has 62-6 gone (Homeward)? If not I'll take it.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 06:07 PM

One more thing. If it will be accepted to play other piano music by Grieg, I would like to perform one from his late collection - Slåtter. These are actually compositions based on Norwegian folk tunes. Really interesting music.
Posted by: LimeFriday

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 06:31 PM

btw - happy to do just one piece - but my second choice is if we need to do a second pass to make sure they are all covered.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 06:41 PM

Okay folks, at the moment we are just picking one piece each, should the second choices not get taken then you will be first in line to have them.

This is the amended list so far:


Book I, Op. 12 (composed 1866-7?; published 1867):

No. 1, Arietta : AimeeO
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Saranoya.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth)
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance)
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody)
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)

Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy):Recaredo.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)

Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):



No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :: DIRE TONIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon)
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)

Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)

Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):



No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs) Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno : Dipsey.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing)

Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days);Valencia.
No. 2, Gade
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)

Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)Pavel.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward)

Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

.

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years): Morodiene.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad):Rupak.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen): Ganddalf.

Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song)
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): Limefriday.
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)

Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods)
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances)

And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Saranoya (68.1)
Morodiene ( 71.5)
Ganddalf (68.5)
Limefriday (54.6)
Dire tonic ( 62.6)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Rossy (71.7)
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 06:45 PM

I'm in! I'll take owt smile
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 06:53 PM

I would seriously consider that wayne!! lol seriously, like some are rock hard! Like some are as hard as a very hard thing that lives between a rock and a hard place.

you can do it bro!
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 07:00 PM

I want to take one, but I am not familiar enough with them to choose. This will require some research!

Sam
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 07:06 PM

Please put my name down for 57/1 (Vanished days). However I might give it back in the next couple of days as it sounds like it might be too hard.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 07:06 PM

Dynamobt, I am so sorry you were correct the first time, I missed Rupaks posting entirely, folks were coming in so fast I must have scrolled right over it.

Rupak,sorry I missed your post, you were in first and I have amended the list so you have 65.5 secured,

Apologies all round, my bad.

WOW thats 12 pieces Plus waynes "owt" out of 66 taken in just a couple of hours with another seven "in reserve" should nobody take them.

Amazing folks, simply amazing, this is looking very good already!
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 07:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Sam S
I want to take one, but I am not familiar enough with them to choose. This will require some research!

Sam


Sam there is a video of all of them on page one of this thread with all the sheet music.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 07:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Valencia
Please put my name down for 57/1 (Vanished days). However I might give it back in the next couple of days as it sounds like it might be too hard.


Thanks Valencia, you have secured 57/1 and these pieces are non returnable!! ( only joking)
Posted by: LadyChen

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 07:11 PM

Please sign me up for 12-4. My second selection (if no one else wants it) is 38-4. I won't be able to work on new repertoire until July (exam coming up in June), so I'm hoping for a fall recital date!
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 07:23 PM

You can also get an idea of difficulty level on the henle site:
http://www.henleusa.com/en/detail/index.html?Title=Complete+Lyric+Pieces_1136
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 07:23 PM

Thanks Ladychen,you got it.
I was thinking of a similar timeframe too: august -ish maybe, must not clash with other ABF recitals, like before we will get the consensus of opinions!

This is a list found by Morodiene that gives an Idea of difficulty level of the pieces.

http://www.henleusa.com/en/detail/index.html?Title=Complete+Lyric+Pieces_1136

Here is the amended list:

Book I, Op. 12 (composed 1866-7?; published 1867):

No. 1, Arietta : AimeeO
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Saranoya.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth)
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance); Ladychen
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody)
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)

Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy):Recaredo.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)

Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):



No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :: DIRE TONIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon)
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)

Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)

Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):



No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs) Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno : Dipsey.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing)

Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days);Valencia.
No. 2, Gade
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)

Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)Pavel.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward)

Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

.

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years): Morodiene.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad):Rupak.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen): Ganddalf.

Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song)
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): Limefriday.
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)

Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods)
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances)

And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Saranoya (68.1)
Morodiene ( 71.5)
Ganddalf (68.5)
Limefriday (54.6)
Dire tonic ( 62.6)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Rossy (71.7)
Ladychen (38.4)
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 07:29 PM

Thank you Morodiene, I will post that link with the list. Not quite sure about the difficulty "levels" in respect of how they apply to the UK? Are these similar or related to our ABRSM Grades?
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 07:42 PM

OP 43 5 for me yes? And 47 6. . . .
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 07:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Thank you Morodiene, I will post that link with the list. Not quite sure about the difficulty "levels" in respect of how they apply to the UK? Are these similar or related to our ABRSM Grades?



I'm not sure, but if you look up your Mendelssohn pieces on there you will get an idea of how it would compare.

Edited to add: Please change mine back to 65/1 LOL. Such a tough decision, but I'll stick with this for sure!
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 07:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene


Edited to add: Please change mine back to 65/1 LOL. Such a tough decision, but I'll stick with this for sure!


Do you remember the riding crop I brandished? (obviously not)lol.
Okay done...
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 07:53 PM

Okay, wow this is happening so very fast......

latest updated list...

This is a list found by Morodiene that gives an Idea of difficulty level of the pieces.

http://www.henleusa.com/en/detail/index.html?Title=Complete+Lyric+Pieces_1136

Here is the amended list:

Book I, Op. 12 (composed 1866-7?; published 1867):

No. 1, Arietta : AimeeO
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Saranoya.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth)
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance); Ladychen
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody)
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)

Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy):Recaredo.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)

Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):



No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :: DIRE TONIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon): Peterws
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)

Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)

Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):



No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs) Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno : Dipsey.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing)

Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days);Valencia.
No. 2, Gade
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)

Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)Pavel.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward)

Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

.

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years): Morodiene.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad):Rupak.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen): Ganddalf.

Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song)
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): Limefriday.
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)

Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods)
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances)

And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Saranoya (68.1)
Morodiene ( 71.5)
Ganddalf (68.5)
Limefriday (54.6)
Dire tonic ( 62.6)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Rossy (71.7)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 07:55 PM

OK I'll take Op 71 no 7 Remembrances
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 07:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Originally Posted By: Morodiene


Edited to add: Please change mine back to 65/1 LOL. Such a tough decision, but I'll stick with this for sure!


Do you remember the riding crop I brandished? (obviously not)lol.
Okay done...


Haha ::runs and hides somewhere to practice in secret::
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 07:59 PM

Originally Posted By: dynamobt
OK I'll take Op 71 no 7 Remembrances


Thanks that is very understanding of you.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 08:02 PM

This is a list found by Morodiene that gives an Idea of difficulty level of the pieces.

http://www.henleusa.com/en/detail/index.html?Title=Complete+Lyric+Pieces_1136


Here is the amended list:

Book I, Op. 12 (composed 1866-7?; published 1867):

No. 1, Arietta : AimeeO
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Saranoya.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth)
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance); Ladychen
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody)
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)

Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy):Recaredo.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)

Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):



No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :: DIRE TONIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon): Peterws
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)

Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)

Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):



No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs) Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno : Dipsey.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing)

Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days);Valencia.
No. 2, Gade
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)

Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)Pavel.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward)

Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

.

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years): Morodiene.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad):Rupak.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen): Ganddalf.

Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song)
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): Limefriday.
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)

Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods)
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances):dynamobt.

And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Saranoya (68.1)
Morodiene ( 71.5)
Ganddalf (68.5)
Limefriday (54.6)
Dire tonic ( 62.6)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 08:42 PM

I just wanted to double-check that people are OK with me participating even though I'm a teacher. I was an adult learner (I took piano from 5-15, quit, and then returned to piano around 23 and ended up teaching). I still consider myself an adult learner, and I never want to stop learning. These recitals are a challenge for me and it's not competition, except with myself. smile
Posted by: Ragdoll

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 08:49 PM

Hi Morodiene,
I for one think it would be tragic if you didn't participate. Your playing is so inspiring. I always enjoy them.
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 08:51 PM

Morodiene, no problem as far as I'm concerned. I love your playing!!
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 08:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Ragdoll
Hi Morodiene,
I for one think it would be tragic if you didn't participate. Your playing is so inspiring. I always enjoy them.


Thank you!! I just hope everyone understands the spirit with which I am participating - as a fellow student of piano smile
Posted by: LadyChen

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 09:07 PM

Morodiene -- I'm in the same boat as you -- took piano from 7-17, quit, and then started again at 28 and began teaching. I find it really interesting how the learning process is so much different as an adult! I'm sure you have had the same experience.
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 09:15 PM

Summer's eve for me
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 10:09 PM

hi everyone,

sorry to change my mind already. i think that vanished days (57/1) might be too difficult for me to get through. can you put my name on peace of the woods instead? (71/4)?

thanks so much! smile
Posted by: Polyphonist

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/29/13 10:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Valencia
hi everyone,

sorry to change my mind already. i think that vanished days (57/1) might be too difficult for me to get through. can you put my name on peace of the woods instead? (71/4)?

thanks so much! smile

No! You can't change! We're forcing you to learn 57/1, or else you don't get to play at all! grin

I don't see why not, unless somebody's taken it. smile

Of course, I'm not the one in charge of this. ha
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 12:22 AM

I'm in, but it will take me a while to choose a piece or pieces. Grieg has always looked fiendishly hard whenever I've looked at him before (all those big chords jumping around), but maybe having made my way through a Mendelssohn Song Without Words I am ready to apply the same slow painstaking practice and make it through a Grieg Lyric Piece.
Posted by: Polyphonist

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 12:38 AM

Maybe I'll enter this one too. smile
Posted by: ElleC

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 01:04 AM

When is this due?

If nobody's chosen, Book IX Op. 68, No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song)
I'd like to try.
Posted by: Saranoya

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 01:32 AM

Originally Posted By: ElleC
If nobody's chosen, Book IX Op. 68, No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song)
I'd like to try.


In that case, I will change my second choice to Album Leaf (opus 47 n° 2). Provided nobody else wants it, of course smile.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 02:26 AM

- sorry Rossy, could you please swap my 2nd choice with my first?

So, I'll do 62-6 (Homeward) and 43-1 (Butterfly) - the latter if no one takes it...
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 02:55 AM

Ahem... I see that 3 pieces are graded as level 2, which is obviously above my level, but maybe I could try and tackle one of these if there is plenty of time?

Op. 54 no. 6 (Bell ringing) is full of double notes, just what I need to practice! Op. 12 no. 3 and 8 look more daunting... what do you guys think?
Posted by: LimeFriday

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 02:57 AM

Rossy - you will definitely be regretting putting this together with all of us switching around crazily - but can I change my 2nd choice piece to Op 71 No 2 - Summer's Eve? I'll leave my first choice as is though. Ta!
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 03:31 AM

Rossy, Wayne, I suggested a while back that this phase of the recital - each participant selecting a piece(s) followed by your good selves confirming our respective choices in an updated list - would work with foolproof reliability if you were to allow each participant to post an updated list with their own amendment. There's no possiblity of abuse since the history is preserved in the thread and the latest list showing would always be THE list.

Collating all this and doing the presentation at the end is a mammoth task, that's clear. And Wayne did a cracking job of recruiting - whipping up volunteers to fill the gaps - throughout the SWW recital. Leaving the assignments to us would be one less chore and still leave you with plenty to do.

I realise of course you want to be hands-on but it's just a thought.
Posted by: Rupak Bhattacharya

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 03:51 AM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
Rossy, Wayne, I suggested a while back that this phase of the recital - each participant selecting a piece(s) followed by your good selves confirming our respective choices in an updated list - would work with foolproof reliability if you were to allow each participant to post an updated list with their own amendment. There's no possiblity of abuse since the history is preserved in the thread and the latest list showing would always be THE list.

I agree. Looking every now and then for new entries, changes and then updating the list every hour is an overwhelming task for one person! Instead, participants can volunteer for updating the list themselves. And since this recital is getting bigger and popular, some tech guy can think of a dedicated and automated web page for accepting entries at least, like the ABF recital.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 04:47 AM

Originally Posted By: sinophilia

Op. 54 no. 6 (Bell ringing) is full of double notes, just what I need to practice! Op. 12 no. 3 and 8 look more daunting... what do you guys think?


- take a chance and go for it. There's plenty of time for you to get stuck in for at least a month then if you think it's too much someone else will pick it up...
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 05:43 AM

This looks popular!

Unlike with the Mendelssohn jobbie, I know many of these pieces and have a few on my radar (three slated for this year), alas, they have all been taken already - what a difference a day makes!

I won't do one I already play so I'll go with Op. 12 No. 3, The Watchman's Song, unless one of my targetted pieces is released with the chopping and changing taking place at the outset - and if I see it in time!
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 05:56 AM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic

- take a chance and go for it. There's plenty of time for you to get stuck in for at least a month then if you think it's too much someone else will pick it up...


okay I'll give a try to op. 54 no. 6 then! And If I find out it's too hard for me, surely somebody else will be able to take it.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 06:00 AM

Dont worry dudes and dudettes, its not a problem, but no more changing or swapping!!!lol.

Here is the amended list as it stands so far and up to date.


Here is the amended list:

Book I, Op. 12 (composed 1866-7?; published 1867):

No. 1, Arietta : AimeeO
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Saranoya.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):zrtf90
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance); Ladychen
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody)
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)

Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy):Recaredo.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)

Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):



No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon): Peterws
No. 6, Til våren (To spring);Beric.

Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)

Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):



No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs) Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno : Dipsey.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing): Sinophilia.

Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)

Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)Pavel.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward): Dire tonic.

Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

.

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years): Morodiene.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad):Rupak.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen): Ganddalf.

Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): Limefriday.
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)

Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve):FARMGIRL
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods):VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances):dynamobt.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:
Valencia (57.1)
Saranoya (68.1)
Morodiene ( 71.5)
Ganddalf (68.5)
Limefriday (54.6)
Dire tonic ( 43.1)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 06:03 AM

Sorry Limefriday, Farmgirl got in first with 71.2 so a change from 68.4 is not possible.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 07:01 AM

OK, I've had a very quick look at what is left and I would like to attempt: 12/8 - National Song and as a potential second selection 71/3 - Puck.

Thanks!
Sam
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 07:06 AM

You got it SamS!!

Updated list:


Here is the amended list:

Book I, Op. 12 (composed 1866-7?; published 1867):

No. 1, Arietta : AimeeO
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Saranoya.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):zrtf90
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance); Ladychen
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody)
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song):SamS.

Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy):Recaredo.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)

Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):



No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon): Peterws
No. 6, Til våren (To spring);Beric.

Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)

Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):



No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs) Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno : Dipsey.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing): Sinophilia.

Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)

Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)Pavel.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward): Dire tonic.

Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

.

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years): Morodiene.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad):Rupak.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen): Ganddalf.

Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): Limefriday.
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)

Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve):FARMGIRL
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods):VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances):dynamobt.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:
Valencia (57.1)
Saranoya (47.2)
Morodiene ( 71.5)
Ganddalf (68.5)
Limefriday (54.6)
Dire tonic ( 43.1)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)

These are going very quick indeed!!!
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 07:12 AM

I swear, when I got off PW yesterday this thread was not there. All these names of pieces. How do you guys choose so fast? I've gotten as far as writing out rows of numbers and crossing off what has been taken, putting initials beside second choices in order to see what's left. I don't know the music at all so I tried listening to them this morning. There are so many. Had to scratch off the first four available ones because they were all too fast somewhere in there. Two or three I absolutely loved but they were taken. I may do the one just for myself. But how do you guys choose so fast? I kept watching for this thread because I was too slow on the Mendelssohn.
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 07:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Thank you Morodiene, I will post that link with the list. Not quite sure about the difficulty "levels" in respect of how they apply to the UK? Are these similar or related to our ABRSM Grades?


First off, not sure if I would be able to participate or not. Always wanted to do Wedding Day but, not only is it crazy hard but it's taken. And so is Nocturne Op54.4 which is the other piece I had on my to do list. Oh, Hoblerg Suite opus 40 isn't on the list?

And Henle difficulty. No, they expand beyond the grade system. As an idea they put Wedding Day at medium, level 6 (the top of their "medium") and that's often considered grade 8.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 07:43 AM

Originally Posted By: keystring
I swear, when I got off PW yesterday this thread was not there. All these names of pieces. How do you guys choose so fast? I've gotten as far as writing out rows of numbers and crossing off what has been taken, putting initials beside second choices in order to see what's left. I don't know the music at all so I tried listening to them this morning. There are so many. Had to scratch off the first four available ones because they were all too fast somewhere in there. Two or three I absolutely loved but they were taken. I may do the one just for myself. But how do you guys choose so fast? I kept watching for this thread because I was too slow on the Mendelssohn.


I know Keystring, when I posted the thread the choices ( and re-choosing!) came in at a rate that stopped me going to bed!!

If you go to youtube and do a search for Grieg lyric pieces complete, you will find a playlist of all 66 with the music scores showing while the pieces play, there are still plenty left!!
happy choosing!
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 07:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Andy Platt
Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Thank you Morodiene, I will post that link with the list. Not quite sure about the difficulty "levels" in respect of how they apply to the UK? Are these similar or related to our ABRSM Grades?


First off, not sure if I would be able to participate or not. Always wanted to do Wedding Day but, not only is it crazy hard but it's taken. And so is Nocturne Op54.4 which is the other piece I had on my to do list. Oh, Hoblerg Suite opus 40 isn't on the list?

And Henle difficulty. No, they expand beyond the grade system. As an idea they put Wedding Day at medium, level 6 (the top of their "medium") and that's often considered grade 8.


Andy, if you want to play "Wedding day", I'm willing to give it to you. I have lots of other pieces to choose from.
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 07:56 AM

WHOA! My Grieg book is on the way. Save me some easier ones to look at please. :-) You more expert people are really fast on the sign up. LOL. I'm sure with 66 I'll find something. Hope so.
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 07:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Andy, if you want to play "Wedding day", I'm willing to give it to you. I have lots of other pieces to choose from.

Thanks for the offer but I think I'll look for a simpler piece that I can learn along with the other pieces I have planned and tackle Wedding Day when my piano skills are a little further advanced.
Posted by: Saranoya

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 08:02 AM

Rostosky, you should give my second choice (68/1) to ElleC. She asked for it, and I already have an assigned piece. She doesn't. I'll take Album Leaf (47/2) for a second choice, then.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 08:10 AM

Originally Posted By: keystring
I swear, when I got off PW yesterday this thread was not there. All these names of pieces. How do you guys choose so fast? I've gotten as far as writing out rows of numbers and crossing off what has been taken, putting initials beside second choices in order to see what's left. I don't know the music at all so I tried listening to them this morning. There are so many. Had to scratch off the first four available ones because they were all too fast somewhere in there. Two or three I absolutely loved but they were taken. I may do the one just for myself. But how do you guys choose so fast? I kept watching for this thread because I was too slow on the Mendelssohn.


I started listening as soon as the first mention of possibly doing Grieg pieces came up. I went to the Henle site and just decided to listen to the levels 6 or 7. I also wanted to do Wedding Day, Nocturne and Butterfly, but I knew those were popular and I have run through them before so I decided against them.

I fell in love with From early years (65/1) as it had some concerto-like elements to it and very dramatic sounding. I had been thinking I could do the Grieg concerto, which I've always wanted to do, but I really do *not* have the time for that.

Anyways, I'm sure you'll find something, there is a lot of beautiful music still out there.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 08:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Saranoya
Rostosky, you should give my second choice (68/1) to ElleC. She asked for it, and I already have an assigned piece. She doesn't. I'll take Album Leaf (47/2) for a second choice, then.


saranoya, ElleC had allready been given 68.1 !! do look at the list girl!! lol.

I have edited it for you to have album leaf as a second choice.

Right, is everyone happy so far?

I may not be after picking a tricksey thing for myself, but am unwilling to change it because i would have to edit my choice on the list.............no, only joking, sticking with it.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 08:37 AM

Originally Posted By: keystring
How do you guys choose so fast?


Well, I used the Jane Magrath book, which lists the standard teaching literature, and a grade for them. Her grades are 1 or 2 higher than standard, and she only lists the pieces that are commonly used by teachers. So her grade 10 is "early advanced" level:

12.1 - 6
12.2 - 6
12.3 - 5
12.4 - 6
12.6 - 7
12.7 - 6
12.8 - 5
43.4 - 7
54.3 - 8-9
54.4 - 8
54.6 - 6
65.6 - 10
68.1 - 5
71.3 - 6

Sam
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 08:51 AM


Here is the amended list:

Book I, Op. 12 (composed 1866-7?; published 1867):

No. 1, Arietta : AimeeO
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Saranoya.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):zrtf90
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance); Ladychen
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody)
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song):SamS.

Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy):Recaredo.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)

Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):



No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :Beric.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon): Peterws
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)

Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)

Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):



No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs) Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno : Dipsey.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing): Sinophilia.

Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)

Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)Pavel.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward): Dire tonic.

Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

.

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years): Morodiene.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad):Rupak.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen): Ganddalf.

Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): Limefriday.
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)

Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve):FARMGIRL
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods):VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances):dynamobt.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:
Valencia (57.1)
Saranoya (47.2)
Morodiene ( 71.5)
Ganddalf (68.5)
Limefriday (54.6)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)
Beric (43.6)
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 08:58 AM

What the heck, put me down for Opus 12 No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody). I should be able to tackle that without needing to destroy the other pieces I'm working on.

The recital does go live in 2015, right? wink
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 09:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky


I may not be after picking a tricksey thing for myself, but am unwilling to change it because i would have to edit my choice on the list.............no, only joking, sticking with it.


If you did, I'd have to get out one of your riding crops you seem so bent on using. Seriously, do you own stock in the riding crop industry? :P

I think you'll be fine with this piece - it's not easy, but those 32nd notes seem to be almost like drumming your fingers and I think it may sound a bit harder than it actually is (though I've never played it).
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 09:02 AM

Thanks Andy, excellent.

Latest amended list:

No. 1, Arietta : AimeeO
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Saranoya.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):zrtf90
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance); Ladychen
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody): Andy Platt.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song):SamS.

Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy):Recaredo.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)

Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):



No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :Beric.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon): Peterws
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)

Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)

Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):



No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs) Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno : Dipsey.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing): Sinophilia.

Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)

Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)Pavel.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward): Dire tonic.

Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

.

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years): Morodiene.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad):Rupak.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen): Ganddalf.

Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): Limefriday.
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)

Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve):FARMGIRL
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods):VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances):dynamobt.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:
Valencia (57.1)
Saranoya (47.2)
Morodiene ( 71.5)
Ganddalf (68.5)
Limefriday (54.6)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)
Beric (43.6)
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 09:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Andy Platt
What the heck, put me down for Opus 12 No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody). I should be able to tackle that without needing to destroy the other pieces I'm working on.

The recital does go live in 2015, right? wink


Yes, a due date would probably be a good idea to determine. I've got some traveling happening this summer - I'll be leaving for our place in WI which no longer has a piano so I'll be using my FP-7. Not the end of the world to use it, but not like my Petrof. And then I will be singing opera for a month in New Mexico starting July 5, so limited piano there and not easy to record. If the due date happens to be during that time I'll just plan to record it before I leave.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 09:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Rostosky


I may not be after picking a tricksey thing for myself, but am unwilling to change it because i would have to edit my choice on the list.............no, only joking, sticking with it.


If you did, I'd have to get out one of your riding crops you seem so bent on using. Seriously, do you own stock in the riding crop industry? :P

I think you'll be fine with this piece - it's not easy, but those 32nd notes seem to be almost like drumming your fingers and I think it may sound a bit harder than it actually is (though I've never played it).


Well, in my opinion the main challenge with "Trolltog" is the octave passages in the left hand. There are several long leaps there, and when played at full speed the piece is quite hard.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 09:23 AM

Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Rostosky


I may not be after picking a tricksey thing for myself, but am unwilling to change it because i would have to edit my choice on the list.............no, only joking, sticking with it.


If you did, I'd have to get out one of your riding crops you seem so bent on using. Seriously, do you own stock in the riding crop industry? :P

I think you'll be fine with this piece - it's not easy, but those 32nd notes seem to be almost like drumming your fingers and I think it may sound a bit harder than it actually is (though I've never played it).


Well, in my opinion the main challenge with "Trolltog" is the octave passages in the left hand. There are several long leaps there, and when played at full speed the piece is quite hard.


Ah, that could be. I have never played through it. Best of luck to ya, Rossy! wink
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 09:25 AM

In the beginning of this thread it was mentioned that other Grieg piano pieces could be selected. We have the Holberg Suite already mentioned by some of the posters. Then there is a collection of three pieces called "Folkelivsbilder". They are comparable in difficulty with the harder Lyric Pieces. Also we have the "Peer Gynt Suite" containing "Anitras dans" and "I Dovregubbens Hall" just to mention a few.

Most of all, however, I'm thinking about Op.72 - "Slåtter". I might consider leaving the Lyric pieces for other people and choose one or two of these. Will this be an option?

Of course we also have the "Ballade" and the early Sonata. But these are much longer pieces, and very difficult to play, particularly the Ballade.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 09:30 AM

I will leave this open for a while ganddalf, (I would like anitras dance!) But it may be better to see if all the lyric pieces get taken first...?

back later.
R.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 10:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
I will leave this open for a while ganddalf, (I would like anitras dance!) But it may be better to see if all the lyric pieces get taken first...?

back later.
R.


Good point.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 11:18 AM

keystring, I haven't chosen yet, but what I'm doing is cross-referencing between three pages:

1. I have the Henle page open that rates the Lyric Pieces. I'm looking at the pieces rated 3, sometimes 4 (and there are a few rated 2). I look at one book at a time, in order.

2. From there I go to the IMSLP Grieg page and open up the corresponding book and check the scores for the pieces with reasonable Henle ratings.

3. Then I check the latest ratings on this thread to see if the pieces I'm interested in have been taken already. What I'm finding is that there are lots of pieces rated 3 or 4 which are not already taken.

Then I go back and do it all again trying to narrow it down. Unlike with the Songs Without Words, which seemed all completely baffling and it was really happenstance that there ended up being a piece I thought I could do, on these Lyric Pieces I'm feeling more optimistic about more of them.

I think I want to make a choice today so I may not take time (and logistics of printing out lots of music) to try these out at the piano before making my choice, but I think I'm going to aim for a piece in a minor key, because I really like minor key pieces.

I'm just listening to them in my minds ear rather than taking the time to listen to recordings. I'm pretty easygoing in my tastes so I don't feel like I need a precise aural rendition to know if I'm interested in trying a piece.

I have ordered the Grieg Lyric Pieces from my new go-to music store (Calliope Music in Ardmore, Pennsylvania).
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 11:23 AM

Incidentally, the Henle list seems to have a few pieces in a different order than the list here, or the order in the Peters edition at IMSLP (e.g. in Op. 43 placement of Little Bird). So check the titles of the pieces you're looking at.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 11:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Andy Platt


The recital does go live in 2015, right? wink


Yes, a due date would probably be a good idea to determine.


The ABF quarterly recitals (soon to be renamed "Beginner and Beyond" recitals) take place in February, May, August and November. The May recital submission period opens tomorrow!

June or September? September gets my vote - that gives us time to fill out the list of players and practice over the summer.

Sam
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 11:42 AM

September would be sweet!

I have to learn all those acciaccaturas, you know... wink
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 11:52 AM

Is there a complete score book of these online, like the Mendlessohn?
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 11:57 AM

It's ok, found 'em smile Will have a look through and pick one, I've no idea who Grieg is lol, but I guess I will find out ha ha smile

Complete Scores Here
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 12:02 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Is there a complete score book of these online, like the Mendlessohn?


Wayne, they are also at imslp:

Opus 12
Opus 38
Opus 43
Opus 47
Opus 54
Opus 57
Opus 62
Opus 65
Opus 68
Opus 71

Sam
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 12:08 PM

Aaaaaaaaaand...... we have a winner. I would like to play Book VI, Op. 57, No. 3, "Illusion".

Once everyone's had a once through, there may be others I can pick up (depending on the level of difficulty), but there's nothing I'm in love with enough to say I definitely want it as a second piece (at least, that isn't already taken by someone else, Limefriday I'm looking at you wink ).

In case anyone else hasn't found them, you can find scores at the Grieg page at IMSLP, under Lyric Pieces.

Because I find it easier to scan in numerical order, these are the second choices so far:
Ladychen (38.4)
Beric (43.6)
Saranoya (47.2)
Dipsey (47.3)
Peterws (47.6)
Limefriday (54.6)
Valencia (57.1)
Ganddalf (68.5)
SamS (71.3)
Morodiene (71.5)
Posted by: stumbler

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 01:20 PM


If Melancholy Opus 47, No 5 is still open, I'd be so happy.
Opps... I mean melancholic.
Posted by: Allard

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 01:32 PM

You can listen to all the Lyric Pieces on YouTube, here.

I really like the sound of 43-3, "In my native country". I wonder if I could do it justice... level 3 ought to be doable.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 02:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Allard
You can listen to all the Lyric Pieces on YouTube, here.

I really like the sound of 43-3, "In my native country". I wonder if I could do it justice... level 3 ought to be doable.


If you like it, and are not afraid of sharps, I absolutely recommend it.
Posted by: Allard

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 03:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Originally Posted By: Allard
You can listen to all the Lyric Pieces on YouTube, here.

I really like the sound of 43-3, "In my native country". I wonder if I could do it justice... level 3 ought to be doable.


If you like it, and are not afraid of sharps, I absolutely recommend it.


I just spent a little over an hour to see if I'm up to the task. I'm now officially in love with this song. Would love to learn this for the recital! It has some major challenges for me, but nothing methodical study won't resolve. Got to learn something from your pieces, right? laugh
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 03:23 PM

Op. 47 No.5 for Wayne Please smile

EDIT Sorry, stumbler beat me to it!
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 03:29 PM

Indeed you are right, Allard. I think many of us feel that these recitals help us improve and learn new things. Go for the challenge.
Posted by: stumbler

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 04:00 PM

Wayne33yrs, sorry about that. I don't think I had heard op 47 n 5 before today. I found the sheet music in a Grieg collection I own. Now that I've heard it, and tried it, I am becoming obsessed. If I get to keep it, I'll try to treat it well.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 04:16 PM

No probs Stumbler, first come first served wink You've made a great choice!

Ok, so 38:2 for Wayne smile
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 05:22 PM

Hello everyone - here's the latest update:
NOW TAKEN: 38:2, 43:3, 47:5, 57:3 so the list now reads:

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta : AimeeO
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Saranoya.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):zrtf90
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance); Ladychen
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody): Andy Platt.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song):SamS.


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)Wayne
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy):Recaredo.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)



Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :Beric.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)allard
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon): Peterws
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)stumbler
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs) Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno : Dipsey.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing): Sinophilia.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)Pavel.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward): Dire tonic.


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years): Morodiene.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad):Rupak.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen): Ganddalf.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): Limefriday.
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve):FARMGIRL
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods):VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances):dynamobt.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:
Valencia (57.1)
Saranoya (47.2)
Morodiene ( 71.5)
Ganddalf (68.5)
Limefriday (54.6)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)
Beric (43.6)
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 05:28 PM

I was too slow off the mark! I had a listen at the ones at the "easier" levels..... but the ones I thought "might" be ok for me were already nabbed!

Ah well, I'm sure there will be a next time!
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 05:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Rupak Bhattacharya
[quote=dire tonic]Rossy, Wayne, I suggested a while back that this phase of the recital - each participant selecting a piece(s) followed by your good selves confirming our respective choices in an updated list - would work with foolproof reliability if you were to allow each participant to post an updated list with their own amendment. There's no possiblity of abuse since the history is preserved in the thread and the latest list showing would always be THE list.

Rossy says " stop trying to take my baby off me" lol.

I enjoy doing it!!
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 05:59 PM

Richard (zrtf90) just PMed me to offer me his choice - what a sweetie!



So, I'm in with OP 12, N3, The Watchman's Song.

September sounds good to me as a target - what about the 15th just to be consistent with the ABF Recital 15th of the month deadline? (Easy to remember smile )
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 06:13 PM

And you can now consider Op. 71 No. 6 Gone smile
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 06:26 PM

Here's latest:
NOW TAKEN: 71:6

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta : AimeeO
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Saranoya.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):casinitaly
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance); Ladychen
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody): Andy Platt.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song):SamS.


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)Wayne
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy):Recaredo.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)



Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :Beric.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)allard
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon): Peterws
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)stumbler
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs) Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno : Dipsey.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing): Sinophilia.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)Pavel.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward): Dire tonic.


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years): Morodiene.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad):Rupak.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen): Ganddalf.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): Limefriday.
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve):FARMGIRL
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods):VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)ZRTF90
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances):dynamobt.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:
Valencia (57.1)
Saranoya (47.2)
Morodiene ( 71.5)
Ganddalf (68.5)
Limefriday (54.6)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)
Beric (43.6)
Posted by: LimeFriday

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 07:35 PM

Can I change my second selection from 54/6 to 71/1? I'm happy to take on 'Once upon a time' if no one else takes it.
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/30/13 10:36 PM

Edit: I just saw my choice is gone. It must have happened while I was practising it to see if I could do it. So I've edited my post.
Posted by: SwissMS

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 03:18 AM

I would like 38 3 - Melody if it is still available. For a second choice, if available I would like 38 7 Waltz. This if for a September due date, correct??
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 03:55 AM

for seconds, could I please reserve 68-3, At Your Feet...

cheers!
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 04:00 AM

I THINK AT THIS MOMENT MANY PEOPLE WONDER WHAT THEY`VE LET THEMSELVES IN FOR , ,, , but I have to say Greig beats Mendelssohn by a large margin. In my opinion . . .wonderful stuff!
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 06:52 AM

Okay folks This is the amended list: As of midday Uk time.

It seems that most folk are happy with a SEPTEMBER recital,
that seems to give us enough time and also roughly the same amount of time as the mendelssohn had for practicing.

Also it doesnt clash with any other ABF recital which is an important consideration.

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta : AimeeO
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Saranoya.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):casinitaly
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance); Ladychen
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody): Andy Platt.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song):SamS.


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)Wayne
No. 3, Melodi (Melody) SwissMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy):Recaredo.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)



Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :Beric.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)allard
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon): Peterws
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)stumbler
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs) Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno : Dipsey.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing): Sinophilia.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)Pavel.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward): Dire tonic.


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years): Morodiene.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad):Rupak.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen): Ganddalf.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): Limefriday.
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve):FARMGIRL
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods):VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)ZRTF90
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances):dynamobt.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:
Valencia (57.1)
Saranoya (47.2)
Morodiene ( 71.5)
Ganddalf (68.5)
Limefriday (71.1)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)
Beric (43.6)
SwissMS (38.7)
Dire tonic (68.3)
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 08:02 AM

Originally Posted By: peterws
I THINK AT THIS MOMENT MANY PEOPLE WONDER WHAT THEY`VE LET THEMSELVES IN FOR , ,, , but I have to say Greig beats Mendelssohn by a large margin. In my opinion . . .wonderful stuff!


I love Grieg, but I also love Mendelssohn. I think both are way under-played composers except for a few pieces. I'm really looking forward to hearing and discovering Grieg's music with everyone.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 08:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: peterws
I THINK AT THIS MOMENT MANY PEOPLE WONDER WHAT THEY`VE LET THEMSELVES IN FOR , ,, , but I have to say Greig beats Mendelssohn by a large margin. In my opinion . . .wonderful stuff!


I love Grieg, but I also love Mendelssohn. I think both are way under-played composers except for a few pieces. I'm really looking forward to hearing and discovering Grieg's music with everyone.


Well, I wasn't really that familiar with the Grieg Lyric Pieces that much before I started investigating them for this recital. But I have had a long love affair with the Mendelssohn Songs Without Words. They just seem to really speak to me. The tonal language seems perfect to me - not too far afield like Liszt. The complexity seems just right - not too obtuse like Schumann or Brahms.

While I can appreciate the Grieg pieces, they don't do the same for me as the Mendelssohn. But it's all personal preferences...

But I love the Grieg Piano Concerto!

Sam
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 08:23 AM

I'm going back through more of the music, trying to find a replacement for the one that was taken just as I was posting my choice. I'm looking for another one that is mostly chords and slow because it matches the part of technique that I have solid now. I'm still doing my choice on my own because I fell in love with the piece. I don't know Grieg at all, so it's slow going.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 08:25 AM

Originally Posted By: keystring
I'm going back through more of the music, trying to find a replacement for the one that was taken just as I was posting my choice. I'm looking for another one that is mostly chords and slow because it matches the part of technique that I have solid now. I'm still doing my choice on my own because I fell in love with the piece. I don't know Grieg at all so it's slow going.


What one were you going to do?
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 09:06 AM

Mine was the last to go.

Was it 71/6, keystring? If so, please take it - I still have loads that I know and although the ones I was planning this year are taken there are others from further ahead.

It'd be great to have you in the recital!
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 09:17 AM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
Mine was the last to go.

Was it 71/6, keystring? If so, please take it - I still have loads that I know and although the ones I was planning this year are taken there are others from further ahead.

It'd be great to have you in the recital!

Richard, I didn't want to say anything, especially since you had just dropped your previous choice for someone else. But yes, that was the one. Thank you so much - and I will take it.

So Rossy - 71/6 for me.

My situation is that I have a lot of habits from when I played self-taught and we're scrambling to undo them. I can play different things, but not without doing stuff to myself that I don't want to do. A couple of years ago (on my own) I was getting numbness. It's hard to undo/retrain habit. The one thing I have a handle on now are chords. And this piece is mostly chords and slow. I had considered another one that got offered to me and I might still look at it as a second choice, but I'm being very cautious and self-restricting. We've got the other thread where someone is trying to fix physical playing, and I know what a difference that makes if you can get it going step by step.
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 09:20 AM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
Mine was the last to go.

Was it 71/6, keystring? If so, please take it - I still have loads that I know and although the ones I was planning this year are taken there are others from further ahead.

It'd be great to have you in the recital!


As soon as you pick the next thing, who will jump on and say, "Well, my choice just went so ..."

Richard, before you know it you'll be playing the Concerto! wink
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 09:41 AM

Rossy, much as it galls me to give you more work to do (ROFLMAO) could you change my choice to Op. 54 No. 2, the Norwegian March?

Thanks. smile

Andy, I have two or three Grieg pieces in the pipeline outside the Lyric pieces. I'd love to do one of the Norwegian Dances, Op. 35.

My teacher gave me his Op. 7 sonata so I've been into Grieg for a long time.
Posted by: ragnhildK

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 11:17 AM

I see that I'm just too late to ask for Op 54 no 2 "Gangar".
I wonder how much time I would have to practice before the recital? I would like to try Op 57 no 6 "Hjemve".
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 11:33 AM

Originally Posted By: ragnhildK
I see that I'm just too late to ask for Op 54 no 2 "Gangar".
I wonder how much time I would have to practice before the recital? I would like to try Op 57 no 6 "Hjemve".


That's a great choice, I like this one as well! (Don't worry, I wasn't planning on doing it) :P
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 12:48 PM

<looks around nervously>

Originally Posted By: ragnhildK
I see that I'm just too late to ask for Op 54 no 2 "Gangar".
I see no smiley!

If you're serious, ragnhildK, I applaud your timing and will be amenable (I would not wish to obstruct a patriot in this particular recital and this particular piece), if you were winding me up - it worked and I applaud your subtlety! smile
Posted by: ragnhildK

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 12:52 PM

Ok, here's the smiley smile
I want to try "Homesickness", I've started practicing...

Looking forward to hearing your "Gangar",Richard - it is one of my other favourites.

If I could have a second choice I would like Op 43 no 2 "Ensom vandrer".
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 07:17 PM

Since it's fashionable to reserve another and as the list looks much fuller with people's second choices filled in (41 of 66 taken or reserved) please reserve Op. 38/1, Berceuse, for me before I'm left with 62/4!
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 07:20 PM

Here's the latest list -57:6 has now gone

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta : AimeeO
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Saranoya.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):casinitaly
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance); Ladychen
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody): Andy Platt.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song):SamS.


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)Wayne
No. 3, Melodi (Melody) SwissMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy):Recaredo.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)



Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :Beric.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)allard
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon): Peterws
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)stumbler
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs) Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno : Dipsey.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing): Sinophilia.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)ragnhildK


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)Pavel.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward): Dire tonic.


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years): Morodiene.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad):Rupak.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen): Ganddalf.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): Limefriday.
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve):FARMGIRL
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods):VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances):dynamobt.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:
Valencia (57.1)
Saranoya (47.2)
Morodiene ( 71.5)
Ganddalf (68.5)
Limefriday (71.1)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)
Beric (43.6)
SwissMS (38.7)
Dire tonic (68.3)
ragnhildK (43.2)
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 07:39 PM

if anyone wants to take up the vanished days (57/1) which is down as a second choice for me, please go ahead and take it! I am pretty sure I can only manage one piece for this recital.
Posted by: Polyphonist

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 10:28 PM

Do I have to make a video, or can it be a recording?
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/01/13 11:05 PM

I make a recording, slap a picture on it in Windows Movie Maker(when it chooses to cooperate) and post it on You Tube that way.

I'm excited about the turnout so for this recital!
Posted by: IreneAdler

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 12:01 AM

I loved listening to the Mendelssohn recital and now that I feel a bit more confident with my playing, I am determined to participate in this recital. However, I am not very familar with Grieg's Lyrical Ballads.

Does anyone, who is more acquainted with his music, have a suggestion for a piece would be a good choice for someone who is currently working on Chopin's Waltz in A minor post.
Posted by: Polyphonist

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 12:02 AM

Check the grades on the Henle website.
Posted by: IreneAdler

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 12:06 AM

I listened to several pieces on the list, ahh I really wanted to have a go at learning "Once Opon a Time" and "Summer Evening", but I think maybe Melody op. 47 would be enough of a challenge.
Posted by: Polyphonist

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 12:07 AM

Learn all three of them. ha
Posted by: IreneAdler

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 12:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Learn all three of them. ha


That would be an adventure for sure, and one I would like to try. Unfortunately, I do need to leave some time in the day for studying physics. wink

Then again I do love learning why my piano sounds so beautiful and I appreciate the craftmanship more and more. Why do you study physics? In order to build wondrous pianos?
Posted by: Polyphonist

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 12:18 AM

Originally Posted By: IreneAdler
Then again I do love learning why my piano sounds so beautiful...

What brand is it?
Posted by: IreneAdler

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 12:24 AM

Albert is a Schimmel. Why Albert? Well, I thought German piano needs a good German name, and since I am a physics student Albert Einstein is never far away from my thoughts. Secondly, when I first played the piano I thought it possessed a noble tone. There it is!
Posted by: Polyphonist

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 12:25 AM

A grand?
Posted by: IreneAdler

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 12:31 AM

Sadly not a grand, one day, on my grand quest for a piano my father pointed out that an upright would be easier to find a place for when I go to college. Albert's is a Konzert 132.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 02:25 AM

Originally Posted By: peterws
I THINK AT THIS MOMENT MANY PEOPLE WONDER WHAT THEY`VE LET THEMSELVES IN FOR , ,, , but I have to say Greig beats Mendelssohn by a large margin. In my opinion . . .wonderful stuff!


..I wonder who'd win if they had a fight?
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 06:27 AM

IreneAdler - are you saying you want to have 47:3 (melody)?
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 06:29 AM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
Originally Posted By: peterws
I THINK AT THIS MOMENT MANY PEOPLE WONDER WHAT THEY`VE LET THEMSELVES IN FOR , ,, , but I have to say Greig beats Mendelssohn by a large margin. In my opinion . . .wonderful stuff!


..I wonder who'd win if they had a fight?


I'm guessing that Mendelssohn would have kicked Grieg's scrawny little backside. I don't mean musically, I mean literally - since Grieg was only four when Mendelssohn died. ha
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 06:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Andy Platt
Originally Posted By: dire tonic
Originally Posted By: peterws
I THINK AT THIS MOMENT MANY PEOPLE WONDER WHAT THEY`VE LET THEMSELVES IN FOR , ,, , but I have to say Greig beats Mendelssohn by a large margin. In my opinion . . .wonderful stuff!


..I wonder who'd win if they had a fight?


I'm guessing that Mendelssohn would have kicked Grieg's scrawny little backside. I don't mean musically, I mean literally - since Grieg was only four when Mendelssohn died. ha


A 4 yr old beats a dead guy any day :P
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 07:38 AM

I have started working on mine smile It isn't going to be too tough except for the 32nd note arpeggios ACK!!!!!!
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 07:51 AM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly
I have started working on mine smile It isn't going to be too tough except for the 32nd note arpeggios ACK!!!!!!


Those aren't bad though - no jumps involved; difficult bit will be making them even and light. "Just" roll your hand right and left and the notes will come out. (Perhaps I shouldn't say this sat at my desk instead of a piano.)

I think the hardest thing about your piece is going to be making it sound as pretty and beautiful as it looks like it should be - that looks a challenge!
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 08:49 AM

I'm doing the first lines of mine (op. 54 no. 6) and it's not too bad as long as I follow the intervals... but I think I will have to ask for advice, not really sure of tempo, pedal changes, and fingering of the big chords at the end. Maybe I can open a thread about it.
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 09:46 AM

I started at the end, and immediately got stuck with an impossible reach if both note value and pedal are kept so it doesn't blur. I found a compromise of distributing the notes, dropping one note at the very end and am sort of "spread over" the piano. An interesting start.

I learned an interesting thing. My dropped note is a high E where there are already two octave E's, and apparently the harmonics will let the ear hear the E that isn't there. The biggest challenge right now is not to let tension come in on held notes.
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 09:59 AM

Originally Posted By: keystring
I started at the end, and immediately got stuck with an impossible reach if both note value and pedal are kept so it doesn't blur. I found a compromise of distributing the notes, dropping one note at the very end and am sort of "spread over" the piano. An interesting start.

I learned an interesting thing. My dropped note is a high E where there are already two octave E's, and apparently the harmonics will let the ear hear the E that isn't there. The biggest challenge right now is not to let tension come in on held notes.


Firstly, this is Opus 71 No 6 (let's all mention the piece if we discuss it so we know which one we're talking about.) I'm not sure that's the right approach. That arpeggio needs to have the top E. In fact it's the most important one. What I would try is half pedal to help retain the lowest bass notes which you move off of immediately after playing. The IMSLP version I'm looking at suggests the switch on the higher of the two bass Es from thumb to 5th finger.
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 10:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Andy Platt
The IMSLP version I'm looking at suggests the switch on the higher of the two bass Es from thumb to 5th finger.

I have that edition. It lets you get the C by swinging your hand using the thumb as a pivot and striking the C with 2. The problem is that if you pedal on G#, you lose the octave. For that part I found that I can get at the C with my right hand. You're arpeggiating here. So I can play the two E's with my LH and hold them, grab C with my RH and play the A - G# with middle fingers. Later on I saw someone do exactly that.

The problem comes with the B. I cannot reach that B with either hand, and letting go of the octave weakens the effect. I heard one performance by Richter, and the E octave droning on and on into infinity has a huge effect.

So I've been playing with the things I've mentioned. Did Grieg have humungous hands?
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 10:38 AM

Originally Posted By: keystring
Originally Posted By: Andy Platt
The IMSLP version I'm looking at suggests the switch on the higher of the two bass Es from thumb to 5th finger.

I have that edition. It lets you get the C by swinging your hand using the thumb as a pivot and striking the C with 2. The problem is that if you pedal on G#, you lose the octave. For that part I found that I can get at the C with my right hand. You're arpeggiating here. So I can play the two E's with my LH and hold them, grab C with my RH and play the A - G# with middle fingers. Later on I saw someone do exactly that.

The problem comes with the B. I cannot reach that B with either hand, and letting go of the octave weakens the effect. I heard one performance by Richter, and the E octave droning on and on into infinity has a huge effect.

What I'm playing with right now is to strike the first chord relatively loud so that the octave E's will ring rather strongly, then do a rapid diminuendo, and let go of the top E only at the moment that G,B are played. It seems that the top E is still produced by the overtones, and since everything is "piano" or even "pianissimo" at the end, it might balance out. If it doesn't, then something else will be tried.

Did Grieg have really really big hands with the flexibility of a contortionist?


I misunderstood what you meant about the top E - thought you weren't playing it.

I wonder if Richter used the sostenuto pedal which would work well here? Don't have one on my piano of course ...
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 11:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Andy Platt

I wonder if Richter used the sostenuto pedal which would work well here? Don't have one on my piano of course ...


I looked it up and found this:
Sustenuto

I have a digital piano. It does have a middle pedal but I suspect that it doesn't really function like the real thing. (Hm?)

Edit: It works. smile You play a note and press the sustain after playing it and that note holds, while anything you play after that behaves like normal un-held notes. Thanks, Andy.
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 11:50 AM

Originally Posted By: keystring
Originally Posted By: Andy Platt

I wonder if Richter used the sostenuto pedal which would work well here? Don't have one on my piano of course ...


I looked it up and found this:
Sustenuto

I have a digital piano. It does have a middle pedal but I suspect that it doesn't really function like the real thing. (Hm?)


It probably is. An upright's third pedal if it has one is 99% likely to be a "practice" pedal (a couple of upright models have sostenuto) but since a practice pedal on a digital is about as useful as a hole in the head, it just has to be a sostenuto pedal. Easy to try. Hold a key down, press the pedal, let go of the key. It should still sound. Now play a staccato note - it should immediately die.

By the way, playing with the pedal for this arpeggio would take a lot of practice to get right. But I'm sure Richter would have been able to manage somehow. Of course, he might have been using his nose for some notes ... that man had genius flowing out of him!
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 11:56 AM

Cross-posted. I added an edit. It does indeed work like one. Thanks again. Btw, the nose technique sounds promising. laugh
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 11:59 AM

Originally Posted By: keystring
Cross-posted. I added an edit. It does indeed work like one. Thanks again. Btw, the nose technique sounds promising. laugh


I happen to have a particularly pointy elbow...this post gives me ideas. laugh
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 11:59 AM

[cross-posted]

The miracle of a digital piano is that you can have three pedals including a real sostenuto pedal, yet the piano takes no more space than an upright. I agree with Andy that I would expect your middle pedal to work as a real sostenuto pedal: sustaining the notes that are already depressed at the time you depress the middle pedal.

My upright has a fake sostenuto pedal for its middle pedal: it lifts the dampers on just the notes lower than Eb3 (the Eb in the middle of the bass clef). This often suffices for what I need with a real sostenuto pedal: to sustain some bass notes while higher notes are moving. But not always. mad For example, if I play any further notes below Eb3, they will also be sustained, since the pedal is just lifting the dampers, not executing any complicated mechanism to catch just the original notes. And of course I can't get a sostenuto effect on notes above D3.

My upright's behaviour is, I believe, typical for uprights with a middle pedal that is not a practice pedal. There are a few high-end uprights that have a true sostenuto pedal. I long for one of these. Except then of course I would start to long for a true una corda pedal. Clearly the only solution is to get a bigger house that can fit a grand. help
Posted by: IreneAdler

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 12:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
IreneAdler - are you saying you want to have 47:3 (melody)?


After listening to about half a dozen pieces that is the one that I felt I could learn given the time constraints, according to the Henle editions this piece is about a level 4, which is probably around my current level. Given the fact that currently working on Chopin's Waltz in A minor post, I thought this piece would be just be enough of a challenge. Hopefully, it won't be to much for me to play reasonably well, but I am not at all familar with this piece and was looking for some advice on whether this would be a good choice or not.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 02:27 PM

I `ve started on mine. The very first notes involve a LH 10 note stretch . . . Who`s idea was Greig? Ha ha I think we`ll have fun on this one . . .I`ve had a peek at others. Not easy are they?
Good luck you guys!
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 05:41 PM

Andy - good idea to remind us we should say which piece we're playing!

(um....edited to add in : I'm playing Op12 N3, Watchman's Song)

I am really just at the "figuring out the notes" stage - several places where there are four note chords, which I'm not very used to (yet!).

I'm wondering if it is "cheating" to play the 32nd not arpeggios with my right hand, as it has nothing else to do in those bars smile

My right is more flexible than my left (though I'm left handed!).... I'll have to get my teacher to show me how to roll through them. I have an idea of what you mean Andy, but I haven't really had to do it yet, so it is another "new for me" skill to learn.

I'm already really delighted with how rich and full the music sounds - it is quite delicious!
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 05:45 PM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Andy - good idea to remind us we should say which piece we're playing!

(um....edited to add in : I'm playing Op12 N3, Watchman's Song)

I am really just at the "figuring out the notes" stage - several places where there are four note chords, which I'm not very used to (yet!).

I'm wondering if it is "cheating" to play the 32nd not arpeggios with my right hand, as it has nothing else to do in those bars smile

My right is more flexible than my left (though I'm left handed!).... I'll have to get my teacher to show me how to roll through them. I have an idea of what you mean Andy, but I haven't really had to do it yet, so it is another "new for me" skill to learn.

I'm already really delighted with how rich and full the music sounds - it is quite delicious!

Redistributing the notes to the other hand isn't cheating, if that's easier, do it! I do that all the time. grin
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 05:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Andy - good idea to remind us we should say which piece we're playing!

(um....edited to add in : I'm playing Op12 N3, Watchman's Song)

I am really just at the "figuring out the notes" stage - several places where there are four note chords, which I'm not very used to (yet!).

I'm wondering if it is "cheating" to play the 32nd not arpeggios with my right hand, as it has nothing else to do in those bars smile

My right is more flexible than my left (though I'm left handed!).... I'll have to get my teacher to show me how to roll through them. I have an idea of what you mean Andy, but I haven't really had to do it yet, so it is another "new for me" skill to learn.

I'm already really delighted with how rich and full the music sounds - it is quite delicious!

Redistributing the notes to the other hand isn't cheating, if that's easier, do it! I do that all the time. grin


Well now, that's encouraging! smile
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 06:03 PM

Rostosky I hate to do this to you, but I discussed the recital with my teacher (the mighty LuAnn), and she wants me to switch to 57/2 "Gade". So that will free up 12/8, which is one of the easier one-page pieces if anyone wants it. I'll keep 71/3 as my second piece if available.

Sam
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 06:14 PM

Just in case my post was lost just before the last list was updated, I'd like to reserve Op. 38/1, Berceuse, if no-one else takes it as a main choice.

Thank you.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 06:18 PM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly
I'm wondering if it is "cheating" to play the 32nd not arpeggios with my right hand, as it has nothing else to do in those bars smile
I believe they're meant to be played in the RH, Cheryl. They're just written in the bass clef.

Redistribution of notes between the hands is one of the first things I do when I finally take a piece to the piano. It's not cheating. Think how a play-by-ear pianist would do it!
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 06:49 PM

Can I give up my first choice, for 12/8 smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 07:22 PM

Really sorry for messin' you about Rossy, 'rushed into a decision, and wanna stick with Op.38 No.2 (This one is funny, makes me smile lol, although harder than I thought pmsl smile )
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/02/13 08:08 PM

Here is todays updated/swapped/messed around by wayne and finally corrected list that is the current state of affairs that nobody can get confused with or change their minds again at list:

(Regardless of how cute your teachers name appears to be)

The dog eating the score is also not an excuse, the "A" in ABF implies a slight amount of grown-up-ness/maturity?

In other words seperate from english humour "dudes. and dudettes sort your selves out and stop swapping.

Except say if someone gives up their piece to allow someone else to take part who couldnt otherwise cos everything left is too hard for them.

Thats called " a noble swap" all this other business, is what we call in the uk : Liszting towards the shambolic"


Anyways the updated liszt:

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta : AimeeO
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Saranoya.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):casinitaly
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance); Ladychen
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody): Andy Platt.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)Wayne
No. 3, Melodi (Melody) SwissMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy):Recaredo.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)



Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :Beric.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)allard
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon): Peterws
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)stumbler
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs) Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno : Dipsey.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing): Sinophilia.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade ;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)ragnhildK


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)Pavel.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward): Dire tonic.


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years): Morodiene.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad):Rupak.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen): Ganddalf.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): Limefriday.
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve):FARMGIRL
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods):VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances):dynamobt.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:
Valencia (57.1)
Saranoya (47.2)
Morodiene ( 71.5)
Ganddalf (68.5)
Limefriday (71.1)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)
Beric (43.6)
SwissMS (38.7)
Dire tonic (68.3)
ragnhildK (43.2)
ZRTF90; (38.1)
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/03/13 02:11 AM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
Originally Posted By: casinitaly
I'm wondering if it is "cheating" to play the 32nd not arpeggios with my right hand, as it has nothing else to do in those bars smile
I believe they're meant to be played in the RH, Cheryl. They're just written in the bass clef.

Redistribution of notes between the hands is one of the first things I do when I finally take a piece to the piano. It's not cheating. Think how a play-by-ear pianist would do it!


I've only done a tiny bit of re-distribution - in a Schumann piece I started a few weeks ago. It was for a chord that was (for me) physically impossible to play!

Your logic of a play-by-ear pianist's approach makes sense. I don't do much playing-by-ear so it didn't seem obvious to me right off the bat.

Thanks Richard!
Posted by: Saranoya

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/03/13 02:32 PM

Sorry to be difficult again, but eh ... the 'Album Leaf' I have in my Carl Fischer book is actually not the one I thought it was (it's a typo in the book: it says it's opus 47/2, but it's actually opus 12/7).

So ... could I change my second choice? Please?
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/03/13 02:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Saranoya
Sorry to be difficult again, but eh ... the 'Album Leaf' I have in my Carl Fischer book is actually not the one I thought it was (it's a typo in the book: it says it's opus 47/2, but it's actually opus 12/7).

So ... could I change my second choice? Please?


Rostosky,
In a rare move, brought about by a very lame sounding excuse,
Makes an unexpected demand of some form of Proof in the way of a picture showing the typo in your "different" book.

You can have your change/mistake/typo/excuse in advance, and I will amend the liszt again,

ooh, it needs to be a good photo as well, not some fuzzy thing all pixelated that I cant see whats going on in say.

No proof= I get to change your name from saranoya, to sarannoying. lol



Anyways the updated liszt:

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta : AimeeO
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Saranoya.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):casinitaly
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance); Ladychen
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody): Andy Platt.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)Wayne
No. 3, Melodi (Melody) SwissMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy):Recaredo.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)



Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :Beric.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)allard
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon): Peterws
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy)stumbler
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs) Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno : Dipsey.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing): Sinophilia.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade ;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness)ragnhildK


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom)Pavel.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward): Dire tonic.


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years): Morodiene.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad):Rupak.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen): Ganddalf.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): Limefriday.
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve):FARMGIRL
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck)
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods):VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances):dynamobt.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:
Valencia (57.1)
Saranoya (12.7)
Morodiene ( 71.5)
Ganddalf (68.5)
Limefriday (71.1)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)
Beric (43.6)
SwissMS (38.7)
Dire tonic (68.3)
ragnhildK (43.2)
ZRTF90; (38.1)
Posted by: Teodor

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/03/13 03:42 PM

Good idea, I do not know any solo pieces by him but I can record Solveig's Song for piano and violin if we decide to hold this recital. It's a great idea and I'd like to see it happen! Grieg is amazing in so many ways!
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/03/13 07:30 PM

Rossy, I hate to mess it up but I would like to take Puck 71-3 as my first choice and Summer's eve 71-3 as my second choice. Hope it's ok. Thanks.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/03/13 08:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Teodor
Good idea, I do not know any solo pieces by him but I can record Solveig's Song for piano and violin if we decide to hold this recital. It's a great idea and I'd like to see it happen! Grieg is amazing in so many ways!


How about you play the piano part and I'll sing the melody smile

edited to add: I didn't explain myself well here. I had *just* gone through this song with the intention of singing it, so you read my mind! There's plenty of Grieg to go around though smile
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/03/13 09:39 PM

Just wanted to pop in and say I've started working on Remembrances and am discovering there is more to it than meets the eye. I'm having so much fun learning this piece!!! I hope to play it for the first time for my teaching this next week.

Anyway, I'm really enjoying Grieg!! This is his first music I have ever learned. I suspect there will be more!!
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 07:00 AM

Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Rossy, I hate to mess it up but I would like to take Puck 71-3 as my first choice and Summer's eve 71-3 as my second choice. Hope it's ok. Thanks.


How the F in Hades can that be OK? They cant BOTH be 71.3 surely.
Do you do this to your husband? (I noticed he had to make his own supper in your video!)

I will try and do the seemingly impossible for you though! lol.

No SamS has got 71.3 as his second choice I am sorry, its gone.


Posted by: Teodor

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 07:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Teodor
Good idea, I do not know any solo pieces by him but I can record Solveig's Song for piano and violin if we decide to hold this recital. It's a great idea and I'd like to see it happen! Grieg is amazing in so many ways!


How about you play the piano part and I'll sing the melody smile

edited to add: I didn't explain myself well here. I had *just* gone through this song with the intention of singing it, so you read my mind! There's plenty of Grieg to go around though smile


Sure we can do that. But you'd have to get a copy of my edition so we are on the same page with this. :P
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 07:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Teodor
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Teodor
Good idea, I do not know any solo pieces by him but I can record Solveig's Song for piano and violin if we decide to hold this recital. It's a great idea and I'd like to see it happen! Grieg is amazing in so many ways!


How about you play the piano part and I'll sing the melody smile

edited to add: I didn't explain myself well here. I had *just* gone through this song with the intention of singing it, so you read my mind! There's plenty of Grieg to go around though smile


Sure we can do that. But you'd have to get a copy of my edition so we are on the same page with this. :P


Sure we can do that? How sure are you? I mean I am organising this and haven,t even been asked yet.

But, If I was, just like the last recital, we are keeping this to the Grieg lyric pieces for piano.

Should we have ALL the lyric pieces taken, then we may, and I say MAY, possibly consider other Grieg works.

Just on the 66 lyric pieces alone I have a lot of collating , PM ing and linking to do at the end when everyones handed their piece in.

This is the format, please do not try and extend it, especially without asking, Thanks.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 08:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Rossy, I hate to mess it up but I would like to take Puck 71-3 as my first choice and Summer's eve 71-3 as my second choice. Hope it's ok. Thanks.


How the F in Hades can that be OK? They cant BOTH be 71.3 surely.
Do you do this to your husband? (I noticed he had to make his own supper in your video!)

I will try and do the seemingly impossible for you though! lol.

No SamS has got 71.3 as his second choice I am sorry, its gone.




Rossy, FarmGirl can have 71/3, and she doesn't even have to cook me dinner.

If that's OK with you, O Grand Poobah of themed recitals!

Sam
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 08:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Originally Posted By: Teodor
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Teodor
Good idea, I do not know any solo pieces by him but I can record Solveig's Song for piano and violin if we decide to hold this recital. It's a great idea and I'd like to see it happen! Grieg is amazing in so many ways!


How about you play the piano part and I'll sing the melody smile

edited to add: I didn't explain myself well here. I had *just* gone through this song with the intention of singing it, so you read my mind! There's plenty of Grieg to go around though smile


Sure we can do that. But you'd have to get a copy of my edition so we are on the same page with this. :P


Sure we can do that? How sure are you? I mean I am organising this and haven,t even been asked yet.

But, If I was, just like the last recital, we are keeping this to the Grieg lyric pieces for piano.

Should we have ALL the lyric pieces taken, then we may, and I say MAY, possibly consider other Grieg works.

Just on the 66 lyric pieces alone I have a lot of collating , PM ing and linking to do at the end when everyones handed their piece in.

This is the format, please do not try and extend it, especially without asking, Thanks.


Sorry, Rossy! I was actually just thinking of posting it as a "teaser" for the actual recital, not as a part of it. That's why I didn't bother to ask. I'm not trying to create more work for you, really! frown
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 08:31 AM

Rossy. A suggestion. The songs outstanding; take (hide) our names OFF the "second choice" list in order not to discourage anybody else from participating. . . . up until a certain "panic date" at any rate . . .(I`ll have a go at my second choice anyway. I think others may to.)
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 08:35 AM

My book arrived. I'll pick one later today with my teacher. Hope there's an accessible one left. Should be fun.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 09:12 AM

I'm going to learn my second piece too but I also recommend it to anyone looking for something easier. It's not too much for four months and is very sweet.

If we get an uptake of 66 participants I would still like to hear a selection of 'reserve' pieces by willing performers as a second tier. I would like to have heard more than one of each version in the Mendelssohn recital.

In view of the fact that we all compare our performances, consciously or otherwise, with our known/preferred/original hearing of a piece anyway I don't see the problem.

We all write differently even though we all use the same 26 letters. Our personality comes through without it having to be competitive or comparative.

I've heard and really enjoyed every performance in the Mendelssohn recital, there's not a single disappointing video (!) and our personalities shine through all of them. I never compared any of them to known professional versions (though many of them could stand the comparison) but that's not the point.

I listened to each piece as an individual thing and thought, 'I like the way they've done that', or 'I wouldn't have thought of that' but never 'it's not as good as Daniel B___'. I would not have seen duplicates as competitive.

Just my two penn'orth.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 09:17 AM

Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
My book arrived. I'll pick one later today with my teacher. Hope there's an accessible one left. Should be fun.


Which edition are you using? I would like to get the entire collection, but I'm not a fan of Schirmer or Kalmus.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 09:26 AM

Actually, just found this on Amazon, seemed to get good reviews, and you can't beat the price!

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Lyric-Pie...rds=grieg+lyric
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 09:32 AM

I use the Dover Edition, Morodiene. It has large pages, clear to read and the books tend to last - I have many Dover chess books and they really do take the abuse.

Nice price!
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 09:43 AM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
I use the Dover Edition, Morodiene. It has large pages, clear to read and the books tend to last - I have many Dover chess books and they really do take the abuse.

Nice price!



I have some Dover editions myself. I really like the Beethoven sonatas and the Chopin Nocturnes and Polonaises, but their complete Bach WTC books I & II are messy so I was a little hesitant, but it seems to get good reviews.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 09:55 AM

morodiene, no panic i knew you wouldnt try and make more work.

Peterws, If I "hide" the second choice list, can you garauntee everyone will just remember their second choice, like say they remember all their internet passwords? lol.

But I will add a statement above those 2nd choices that makes it clear they are still up for grabs by anybody as a first choice.

Zrft90: There is a very good reason for not having duplicates: I will try and state the reason as absolutely crystal clear as is humanely possible....

There are allready sixty six of these pieces. Lets just say for arguments sake we get 40 seperate people involved.

Now if everyone just sent me one PM with their text included, lets just say they didnt ask me a question about the link, or changing the link for a better take.
Lets say they didnt ask me for any help on getting it up on youtube or how to give me the link........

Then I would only have FORTY pms to look through to collate the text and links, check they work and file them on pdf ready to put up on the days required.

If, I was to allow duplicates that forty could feasably grow to eighty lots of pming X the amount of pm,s each person sent...

Our Pm boxs have a maximum of 200 pms before things go out to lunch.

I can assure you that just looking through forty members Pming me is enough for one recital, the pms dont come in "in order" they are random, I have to sort the info from them out into the order they will be eventually posted vis a vis : as they are on the list.

And thats just the pms from the recital, I do have folk pming me about other stuff, which can get a little hard to find by recital deadline time.

Dont get me wrong., I am not complaining I enjoy doing this, but to add duplicates would be overwhelming, because if you allow one duplicate you have to allow everyones in the interest of fairness.....

So, because it is big enough allready, I just cannot do duplicaates, it would get out of hand...

And, to encourage also the folk in the recital, it is best if there isnt even any hint of competition, which I personally feel is very important: The non competitive recital.

This worked exceptionally well with the first themed recital: (Phillip Glass) the second (Satie) and the last one (Mendelssohn)

I want to keep the Ideology behind the themed recitals intact, and not turn it into an internet version of the X factor.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 10:03 AM

I suggest that you delete me from the second choice list. The "Cradle Song" is a beautiful and not too difficult piece that someone else should play. I'll rather consider a second piece when the most popular ones are taken.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 10:08 AM

Very good points, Rossy, and well made. smile

I understand the work involved.

IF maybe a month or so after the Grieg recital someone were to open up a thread, not dissimilar to a piano bar thread, reserved solely for Grieg pieces, Lyric or otherwise, that didn't make the 'Official 66' for members to post their own performances into, in a random order, for a limited time (or not), how would that be?
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 10:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
I suggest that you delete me from the second choice list. The "Cradle Song" is a beautiful and not too difficult piece that someone else should play. I'll rather consider a second piece when the most popular ones are taken.


This is actually a good idea, and you can remove my second piece 71/5 as well. I'll select from what's left over at the end.
Posted by: Saranoya

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 10:12 AM

Rossy,

After reading very attentively your description of the process you use for these themed recitals, I have a serious question: why not use the same software that's used for the 'Beginner and Beyond' recital for this?

We had a long discussion on the topic of possibly 'splitting up' the ABF recital into one for 'true beginners' and one for people who have moved beyond that. The impression I got from that is that it would be rather trivial to set up a second recital using the same submissions system, just with a different title at the top.

This way, you wouldn't have to sift through PM's, collate, copy/paste, create a separate post for each participant, etcetera. You'd just have to open up the appropriate topics (themed recital thread, discussion room thread) on the appropriate dates, zip up the files and post the links, and you'd be done with it. Every individual participant would take care of the process of uploading, posting comments, meta-data, etc.

I am not actually familiar with the behind-the-scenes work that goes into the quarterly recital, but my impression from what I've read is that it might be easier to do it that way. No?

I still agree, though, that it is better not to allow duplicates, in order to avoid any semblance of competition.
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 10:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Sam S
Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Rossy, I hate to mess it up but I would like to take Puck 71-3 as my first choice and Summer's eve 71-3 as my second choice. Hope it's ok. Thanks.


How the F in Hades can that be OK? They cant BOTH be 71.3 surely.
Do you do this to your husband? (I noticed he had to make his own supper in your video!)

I will try and do the seemingly impossible for you though! lol.A
No SamS has got 71.3 as his second choice I am sorry, its gone.




Rossy, FarmGirl can have 71/3, and she doesn't even have to cook me dinner.

If that's OK with you, O Grand Poobah of themed recitals!

Sam


Sam, thanks. You are so sweet. I think you represents goodness of Anerican male, such a gentleman. I would be glad to make a sandwich for you.

Rossy, hear that? Puck is mine now thumb

I will take Puck (71-3) as my 1st choice and keep Summer's eve (71-2) as my second choice. I love both pieces. My teacher just played both for me yesterday and I instantly recognized Puck. She played it when she was in grade school! So did my talented brother! Anyway it seems to bring up a kid inside me ha Summers eve sounds like a piece should be played in a bar, after many glasses of wine. I am going to have total fun with this one.
Posted by: ragnhildK

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 11:25 AM

I'm with Ganddalf and Morodiene - remove my second choice, I can choose a piece from the "leftovers" smile
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 11:38 AM

I thought I'd wait until you posted the list again but decided against it - you can remove my second choice, too!

If I need a second choice I can "allways" negotiate with whoever's doing Troldtog!

smile

Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 12:46 PM

Ganddalf, Morodiene, consider it done, I agree it may confuse folk into not choosing.

okay, tried and tested and reconsidered, thats what makes it work folks.

sarannoya,, I am more than happy doing this the way it is done, it works, I understand it,I dont get too confused, I am not concerned about beginner or beyond, it's in a thread that doesnt concern me to much, either the ABF gets a name change or it doesnt, it will still be the same either way.

Unless someone invents a thread for just "beyond" like in "dude your just beyond"

Anyways,I am frightened of changing my baby into a changeling.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 12:56 PM



Anyways the updated liszt:

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta : AimeeO
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):Saranoya.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):casinitaly
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance); Ladychen
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody): Andy Platt.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melody)
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)Wayne
No. 3, Melodi (Melody) SwissMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy):Recaredo.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)



Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) :Beric.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland)allard
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon): Peterws
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs) Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno : DIPSEY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing): SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade ;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward): DIRE TONIC.


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song)
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Valencia (57.1)
Saranoya (12.7)
Limefriday (71.2)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)
Beric (43.6)
SwissMS (38.7)
Dire tonic (68.3)
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 02:28 PM

Oh my, my name is there in CAPITAL LETTERS!

And I haven't even touched the piano today... eek
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 02:41 PM

May I have either 43#2 or 65#2. Ready to get started.
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 02:50 PM

Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Summers eve sounds like a piece should be played in a bar, after many glasses of wine. I am going to have total fun with this one.


Summers Eve makes me laugh like a 4th grader because its name makes me think of a certain product..

I really am ridiculous.


We're filling up quite nicely, everybody.. I'm so excited for this!

I've been tooling around with mine. I think I'm going to get a lot out of it. I need lots of work on quieting my left hand, and this is the piece for it. At least its short!

And I'm glad Amazon marked the Grieg collection back down.. they've done that in the past few days. I bought it a year ago, just because it's cheap grin (Actually, I also bought Satie, Chopin, Brahms and Scriabin collections by Dover for the same price. Not that I can play 95% of it, but I will one day and you can't beat the price for all the music you get!)
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 03:25 PM

Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
May I have either 43#2 or 65#2. Ready to get started.


Yes, you may. If you chose one , we would both know which one you want.... lol.
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 05:40 PM

Ok...65#2 please Rossy. I was having trouble making the decision. LOL.
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 05:55 PM

Rossy, can you put 71-2 Summer's eve ass my second choice? Thanks
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 06:36 PM

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINWIN8
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)



Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSEY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward): DIRE TONIC.


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Valencia (57.1)
Saranoya (12.7)
Limefriday (71.2)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)
Beric (43.6)
SwissMS (38.7)
Dire tonic (68.3)
FARMGIRL (71.2)
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 06:38 PM

Sorted! you know folks, it really is like having a class of unruly children a bit: Okay boys and girls, settle down and make your choices.
Posted by: stumbler

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal - unruly child - 05/04/13 07:38 PM

How come no one will sit by me in opus 47?
I must be that odd kid in the class smile
Posted by: IreneAdler

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/04/13 08:39 PM

Well after some thought, I will put my name down for the Melody op. 47 no. 3.
If my teacher does not think this piece is suitable; I will look for another piece by Grieg to learn, because I would really like to be a part of this recital.
Posted by: SwissMS

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/05/13 03:37 AM

OK, Rossy, I am going to be one of your unruly children. Would you change my second choice to 47 7 Elegy? I keep listening to the available pieces and fall in love with a new one everyday. This one has grown on me the most!
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/05/13 04:27 AM

- I don't know if I've got the wrong end of the stick but it appears that a few of us have given up their 2nd choice. What is the point of that?

It doesn't make any difference to a potential new participant who can freely pick from all those pieces in the main list which are still unassigned, and in giving up your 2nd choice, another participant looking for a 2nd choice is now free to put a 'hold' on a piece for which you've relinquished an option. It's only a conditional option, anyway.

Have I missed something?

Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/05/13 07:04 AM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
... a few of us have given up their 2nd choice. What is the point of that?

Purely psychological, dire tonic.

When we're trying to entice newcomers to the recital or those that might be undecided (or they would have joined in already) they might not be as forthcoming if there are names already against unassigned pieces and to "pinch" them off someone might make them feel uncomfortable if they felt they weren't able to do as good a job, perhaps.

There's a history of interests in the thread and whilst no-one would look askance if a newcomer opted to do Summer's Eve, say, it would be frowned upon if I took it from Farm Girl as soon as second choices were allowed. But to include them in the main list may not be appropriate.

We could all be reminded of who has expressed interests before the call for second pieces goes out.
______________________

Great to see you in, Irene! smile

Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/05/13 08:26 AM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
Originally Posted By: dire tonic
... a few of us have given up their 2nd choice. What is the point of that?

Purely psychological, dire tonic.

When we're trying to entice newcomers to the recital or those that might be undecided (or they would have joined in already) they might not be as forthcoming if there are names already against unassigned pieces and to "pinch" them off someone might make them feel uncomfortable if they felt they weren't able to do as good a job, perhaps.

There's a history of interests in the thread and whilst no-one would look askance if a newcomer opted to do Summer's Eve, say, it would be frowned upon if I took it from Farm Girl as soon as second choices were allowed. But to include them in the main list may not be appropriate.

We could all be reminded of who has expressed interests before the call for second pieces goes out.
______________________

Great to see you in, Irene! smile



This, and the fact that me and a few others can play more difficult pieces and so we didn't want to discourage someone who is limited in what they can choose from. We got our first choices that we're happy with. I'm still sort of working on my 2nd choice, as I think it is more difficult, but I'd rather get another participant.

I don't believe we've announced this recital on the Pianist Corner, have we? That's how I found out about the Mendelssohn recital. We could post on there - and also maybe the Teacher Forum as well.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal - unruly child - 05/05/13 09:04 AM

Originally Posted By: stumbler

I must be that odd kid in the class smile


seriously, you are not the odd kid, I know this, I was the oddest kid that was ever anywhere doing odd stuff by choice.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal - unruly child - 05/05/13 09:12 AM

Morodiene,

Wayne once advertised on PC for submissions to a recital and he got a response.

I believe it may not have been the response he was hoping for, I believe the term "lead balloon" may have been used in the next post wayne did after that one.

Its dark and argumentative over there sometimes, and funny thing is for so many clever, intellectual and talented folk that do dwell on PC ; That proportionally , when compared to ABF they have so many many threads locked down due to arguments that descend into chaos and nastiness, compared to ABF where it is quite rare.

One could ask I suppose....
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal - unruly child - 05/05/13 09:18 AM

Todays updated thingy: Please have a look and tell me if you are happy, it wont actually make a lot of difference if you are not happy because you chose your pieces (many times) lol.

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINWIN8
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)



Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSEY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward): DIRE TONIC.


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Valencia (57.1)
Saranoya (12.7)
Limefriday (71.2)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)
Beric (43.6)
SwissMS (47.7)
Dire tonic (68.3)
FARMGIRL (71.2)
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/05/13 10:48 AM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
Originally Posted By: dire tonic
... a few of us have given up their 2nd choice. What is the point of that?

Purely psychological, dire tonic.

When we're trying to entice newcomers to the recital or those that might be undecided (or they would have joined in already) they might not be as forthcoming if there are names already against unassigned pieces and to "pinch" them off someone might make them feel uncomfortable if they felt they weren't able to do as good a job, perhaps.

There's a history of interests in the thread and whilst no-one would look askance if a newcomer opted to do Summer's Eve, say, it would be frowned upon if I took it from Farm Girl as soon as second choices were allowed. But to include them in the main list may not be appropriate.

We could all be reminded of who has expressed interests before the call for second pieces goes out.
______________________

Great to see you in, Irene! smile



+1. Yep. I cannot agree with you more. Re Summer's eve, I remember AimeeO mentioned that it makes her think of a certain product..
Here's my research result. http://www.summerseve.com/
It makes this "night club" sounding music much more fascinating to me. When I listened to the music. I know I'm thinking too much.
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/05/13 11:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Morodiene,

Wayne once advertised on PC for submissions to a recital and he got a response.

I believe it may not have been the response he was hoping for, I believe the term "lead balloon" may have been used in the next post wayne did after that one.

Its dark and argumentative over there sometimes, and funny thing is for so many clever, intellectual and talented folk that do dwell on PC ; That proportionally , when compared to ABF they have so many many threads locked down due to arguments that descend into chaos and nastiness, compared to ABF where it is quite rare.

One could ask I suppose....
Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Morodiene,

Wayne once advertised on PC for submissions to a recital and he got a response.

I believe it may not have been the response he was hoping for, I believe the term "lead balloon" may have been used in the next post wayne did after that one.

Its dark and argumentative over there sometimes, and funny thing is for so many clever, intellectual and talented folk that do dwell on PC ; That proportionally , when compared to ABF they have so many many threads locked down due to arguments that descend into chaos and nastiness, compared to ABF where it is quite rare.

One could ask I suppose....


My suggestion is to cross post this in the piano teacher's forum. One reason why Mendelssohn invitation was not warmly received by some in the PC is because of the pieces. As you know many of them are current or former conservatory or University piano performance students if not professional. I think they are more into pieces like Chopin Ballade, Liszt TE, Ondine etc. Its not that they don't appreciate collection of little musical gems in our recital pieces, but don't have time / emotional space to even think of them. Piano teachers, on the other hand, appreciate our endeavor. They can probably pick new pieces by experiencing the journey together. We want people like Morodiene, right? She would've seen the invitation in the teacher's forum had it been posted there.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/05/13 01:55 PM

What a mix of ideas we are getting here! Its great that so many of us now care enough about the success of this next recital to make helpful suggestions - like an offer of putting the recordings together, dropping 2nd choices to encourage people to come forward, including other Grieg music beyond the lyric pieces (maybe expecting the lyric pieces to be oversubscribed). People have even started to offer support to each other on how to play tricky bits! And its not even been a week since the Mendelssohn recital ended!

I think we just need to be a bit careful not to get carried away. As with the first three of the themed recitals: Glass, Satie and Mendelssohn, a single complete body of work was performed by ordinary folk (beginners, improvers and others hanging out on RST or the recital threads) - who got involved organically as the idea spread over a period of time.
My personal view is that there are enough of us to fill up the list - to perform all of the lyric pieces without putting out appeals to those on other forums. Lets give it time to let people come forward - time for them to get hold of the music, give it a try and dip their toes in the water. After all, one of the main benefits of this way of doing things is that people are prepared to nudge their boundaries a little, and support each other in this. If we were to invite more advanced pianists to participate that benefit might be lost.

And if we find ourselves in the happy situation of having more people than pieces then I think we should then (and only then) consider other works by Grieg.
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/05/13 03:17 PM

Ha! That Grieg Lyric Pieces book on Amazon is the #1 best seller in late Romantic on Amazon.. I wonder if that's us?
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/05/13 03:27 PM

Originally Posted By: AimeeO
Ha! That Grieg Lyric Pieces book on Amazon is the #1 best seller in late Romantic on Amazon.. I wonder if that's us?


LOL I bet it is! Wonder if they regret selling it for so cheap now laugh
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/05/13 03:40 PM

That's the edition of Lyric Pieces I have. But, I bought it years ago from Dover directly. Talk about a great price on Amazon!!! I find the Dover editions very easy on my eyes to read. Only problem I have with them is getting the book to stay open!! But, the binding can take a beating. My Dover edition of Chopin Nocturnes has stood up extrememly well.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/06/13 12:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Actually, just found this on Amazon, seemed to get good reviews, and you can't beat the price!

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Lyric-Pie...rds=grieg+lyric [/quote
[quote=zrtf90]I use the Dover Edition, Morodiene. It has large pages, clear to read and the books tend to last - I have many Dover chess books and they really do take the abuse.

Nice price!


And it is available on Amazon.it too. (It is available for Kindle, but I can't see trying to use my kindle at the piano.........nope, that's not going to happen!
Unfortunately the price in Italy is considerably more than in the USA. The Amazon.co.uk site has it at a good price but only sells to UK residents!
Posted by: Dulcetta

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/06/13 12:36 PM

http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/Edvard-Grieg-Edvard-Grieg/9780486261768

Book depository (owned by amazon) ship worldwide and are usually cheaper.



ETA : just checked USA site and they are way cheaper.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/06/13 01:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Dulcetta
http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/Edvard-Grieg-Edvard-Grieg/9780486261768

Book depository (owned by amazon) ship worldwide and are usually cheaper.



ETA : just checked USA site and they are way cheaper.


I use them often too (great service!)...however in this case the price difference between them and Amazon.it was just a few cents, and I have amazon prime for Italy so don't pay delivery for anything (Prime only cost 9.99 for the first year, I imagine it will go up a lot for the second year, but I don't plan on renewing it!).


The USA site, and the UK site both had REALLY cheap versions! sigh... oh well.
My hubby is going to shake his head when he sees ANOTHER book of music arrive. lol.
Posted by: torquenale

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/06/13 02:34 PM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly

Unfortunately the price in Italy is considerably more than in the USA. The Amazon.co.uk site has it at a good price but only sells to UK residents!


It's strange, sometimes I buy on Amazon.co.uk, the only problem is that I have to pay for delivery (it can be worth, if the price difference is high).
Posted by: SwissMS

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/06/13 02:49 PM

I bought the same dover version from Amazon.de. It was reasonably priced and free shipping to Switzerland with prime. It said there was only one copy left. We are cleaning them out!
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/06/13 04:38 PM

Originally Posted By: SwissMS
I bought the same dover version from Amazon.de. It was reasonably priced and free shipping to Switzerland with prime. It said there was only one copy left. We are cleaning them out!


There were only 4 available when I ordered mine. I wonder if anyone is noticing a trend in music purchases this week lol...
Posted by: LimeFriday

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/06/13 06:06 PM

Hi Rossy - my 2nd choice piece should be 71/1 (once upon a time) - not 71/2. Sorry to have you change the list yet again!
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/06/13 07:12 PM

"I wonder if anyone is noticing a trend in music purchases this week lol..."

Most`f this stuff is buckshee. . . it`s fun seeking it out. Like the chase (hunt)! Fellas love the chase . . .

_________________________
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/06/13 09:29 PM

I just took advantage of $3.99 offer as well. I also bought a duet book called Sylvia Rabinof: 15 Classical Masterpieces with Added Second Piano Parts and a book called First Four Notes. I think Anazon should pay PW commission.
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/07/13 02:00 AM

Talking about scores... I am writing down my own with Musescore, so I can print it larger than the one on IMSLP and I can add my own fingering and notes. Thought it might be a good exercise to see if I'm memorizing the piece correctly!
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/07/13 02:10 AM

Originally Posted By: sinophilia
Talking about scores... I am writing down my own with Musescore, so I can print it larger than the one on IMSLP and I can add my own fingering and notes. Thought it might be a good exercise to see if I'm memorizing the piece correctly!


I've done that with a few pieces and I find that it truly does set the piece in your brain (though I didn't write it out with software, just on paper!).

Peterws: I had to look up "buckshee" ! Yes, I know, and I did find the score for my piece on line, I just had a longing to have another book. I have a sad addiction, to both literary and musical materials....There's just no hope for me.
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/07/13 04:14 AM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly
I have a sad addiction, to both literary and musical materials....There's just no hope for me.


That's one healthy addiction to have! smile
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/07/13 05:17 AM

Hi folks
Rossy has asked me to do the latest update which now takes account of LimeFriday's new 2nd choice. So here's the list...

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINWIN8
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)



Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSEY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward): DIRE TONIC.


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Valencia (57.1)
Saranoya (12.7)
Limefriday (71.1)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)
Beric (43.6)
SwissMS (47.7)
Dire tonic (68.3)
FARMGIRL (71.2)
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/07/13 06:28 AM

Casinitaly; your English is excellent. So I thought I`d throw something else into the pot! There are more on their way . . . heh heh
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/07/13 12:27 PM

Originally Posted By: peterws
Casinitaly; your English is excellent. So I thought I`d throw something else into the pot! There are more on their way . . . heh heh


My dear Peter, thank you for the compliment on my English.

I think my students will be pleased to hear that it has been rated so high smile

Forgive me for laughing (it isn't the first time I've had such compliments)....I know it isn't obvious from my name, or my location, but I'm actually a Canadian, mother-tongue English speaker wink and I teach English and translate from Italian to English to fund my book addiction earn my daily bread smile

Had my lesson today and showed my teacher the Grieg piece- he had a lot to tell me about it and how to approach it, and seemed quite pleased with the selection. He also told me that I had some "freedom" in the intermezzo part, and didn't have to rush to play the 32nd notes smile -- He coached me on how to manage them.




I know a lot of British slang, but ...there are always things to be learned !
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/07/13 12:43 PM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly


Peterws: I had to look up "buckshee" ! Yes, I know, and I did find the score for my piece on line, I just had a longing to have another book. I have a sad addiction, to both literary and musical materials....There's just no hope for me.
Glad to see I'm not the only addict here! OF course, I not only collect piano books, but vocal ones, too. When we moved, I hate to admit to how many boxes of books I took with me blush
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/08/13 08:27 AM

Mine has been shipped and I should get it Friday!! laugh
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/08/13 08:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Mine has been shipped and I should get it Friday!! laugh


Me too ! smile
Posted by: Ragdoll

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/08/13 10:39 AM

Me three.... blush So I'm a music bookaholic so what! grin
Posted by: Allard

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/08/13 10:54 AM

I went into a music store last weekend and bought a book (with CD). Old school? smile It's a pretty nice store; they sell both CDs and sheet music (of mostly classical music). They even have an old upright piano that you can try the sheet music on. Couldn't resist playing some!
Posted by: carlos88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/08/13 11:13 AM

I'm mostly a lurker, but after hearing the amazing results from the Mendelssohn recital, I thought it would be a blast to be part of the next one.

I'd like to sign up for:
Book IV, Op. 47
No. 4, Halling

Thanks,
Carlos
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/08/13 01:16 PM

"My dear Peter, thank you for the compliment on my English.

Hello Casinitaly. . . it`s so good to know I still manage to put me bloody foot in me gob with consummate ease . . . !
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/08/13 04:09 PM

Originally Posted By: peterws
"My dear Peter, thank you for the compliment on my English.

Hello Casinitaly. . . it`s so good to know I still manage to put me bloody foot in me gob with consummate ease . . . !


Ah, how were you to know?
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/08/13 07:13 PM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Originally Posted By: peterws
"My dear Peter, thank you for the compliment on my English.

Hello Casinitaly. . . it`s so good to know I still manage to put me bloody foot in me gob with consummate ease . . . !


Ah, how were you to know?



The shock wasn't that you are a native English speaker, I think that is somewhat obvious to those who've known you on the forum for a couple of years. But Canadian?! No wonder you've kept quiet about that wink

Snigger, snigger ...
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 03:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Andy Platt
Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Originally Posted By: peterws
"My dear Peter, thank you for the compliment on my English.

Hello Casinitaly. . . it`s so good to know I still manage to put me bloody foot in me gob with consummate ease . . . !


Ah, how were you to know?



The shock wasn't that you are a native English speaker, I think that is somewhat obvious to those who've known you on the forum for a couple of years. But Canadian?! No wonder you've kept quiet about that wink

Snigger, snigger ...


Eh? Eh! This from another ex-pat who chose the USA?
harrumph! wink

Well, I'm Proud to be Canadian.... (This is a few years old now, but I still get a kick out of it.


Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 05:59 AM

Originally Posted By: peterws
I THINK AT THIS MOMENT MANY PEOPLE WONDER WHAT THEY`VE LET THEMSELVES IN FOR ...I `ve started on mine...Not easy are they?...

I'm doing tech. work on my Op 54/2 piece. RH only M27-37. My 4th finger is behaving like a recalcitrant schoolboy and getting fingers 1, 2 and 5 to sound together is decidedly awkward. The double notes defeating me in the Notturno are appearing much easier now!

In addition my 'easy' piece, Op. 38/1, is turning out to not be so easy after all (Henle level 4 but ABRSM class it as Grade 8) and is also undergoing tech work in M5-8 that's also targetting the 4th finger. It's like a similar rolling chord from Brahms' Waltz in Ab but instead of going 5-4-2 it's going 2-4-5 and is decidedly harder.

To cap it all my next ABF recital piece (now that I've handed in my final attempt at the Mozart Fantasy) is also more tech work though not directly on my 4th finger.

I usually spend most of my practise time memorising but this week it's pretty much all tech work.

How's everyone else doin'?
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 06:46 AM

I’ve memorized the first page of my piece (38-6), and I’m working only on these bars. I’m having problems between bars No 14 and 20. Here’s the climax of the piece, so I should continue working on this part before moving on the next page.

For now I’m practicing very slowly (around 10 bpm or less), without any musicality.
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 06:58 AM

I've analysed and tried out all parts of my piece (op. 54 no. 6) at about 20-30 bpm, and I wrote it all down in Musescore. Now I want to draft some sort of diagram of how the piece goes (down by 4ths, up by 3rds etc...), so I can put its parts together more easily. The acciaccaturas are fine, I think; but double notes and chords (= everything else!) need a lot of work. And dynamics.
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 07:14 AM

Volksweise (Op 12, no 5) is going pretty well. I did pick an easier piece deliberately - my teacher asked, "So, have you reached the point where you just want to do easier pieces?" wink

The challenge is going to be making it really smooth; there are some awkward grace notes that can only be played with fourth and fifth finger and the thumb is holding down a note an octave lower. So I can't put any rotation in and it's the weakest fingers. Oh well, that's why every piece, easier or not, has something to offer.

Oh, plus it's a musical gem!
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 07:37 AM

I've done some work on my 65/1, but I've been a little distracted with wanting to finish off the Mendelssohn Spinning Song, learning some of the other Songs Without Words that I enjoyed hearing (Op 30/1 and 19/3), learning an opera, and preparing students for the end of the year recital (why is it like pulling teeth??). All this while getting ready to move back to WI for the summer.

The piece I've chosen doesn't seem to be terribly difficult, but I was hoping to get it memorized and recorded by the time I leave for the summer opera program in July. I think the trickiest part is the ending 16th note figures in the RH, but slow practice and practicing in rhythms will help that...when I get around to seriously starting to work on this, that is.

Am I insane? Yes, I think I am.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 07:40 AM

welcome Carlos88 - glad you could join us!

Here's the latest list:

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINITALY.
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)



Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling;; CARLOS88
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSEY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward): DIRE TONIC.


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Valencia (57.1)
Saranoya (12.7)
Limefriday (71.1)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)
Beric (43.6)
SwissMS (47.7)
Dire tonic (68.3)
FARMGIRL (71.2)
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 07:43 AM

Well, I learned that the name of my piece, 57/2 "Gade", is not a Norwegian word, but the actual name of Niels Gade, a Danish composer, conductor, violinist, organist and teacher. He is considered the most important Danish musician of his day (according to wikipedia). He was also one of Grieg's teachers.

My piece is also one that my teacher plays for weddings - she played it for me, so I have an idea what to expect.

But that is as far as I have gotten!

Sam
Posted by: SwissMS

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 08:29 AM

I have started on Melody (38 3) and it is going pretty well. I discovered the 3's against 4's and the 9ths on the first read through and realized it wasn't quite as easy as I thought. Since it is slow, the polyrhythms need to be very even. That is going to take a little work. I really liked this piece though! I haven't started the second piece, Elegy (47 7) yet.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 09:44 AM

I know how you feel - cos I've also got threes against twos with my piece (nocturne op 54, 4) and many of the twos are tied, which further complicates it. Apparently it helps to tap out the rhythms (on different sounding surfaces) of each hand together until embedded, then transfer to the keyboard. Will have to try that, though its hard for me to not just charge ahead.

Beric bought us a copy of the complete set (over 200 pages of music) - from 'Schirmer's library of musical classics' excellent value at £15. I've been having fun attempting to sightread a few - but I find that the quicksilver shifts in harmony are v difficult to anticipate and generally catch me out!
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 10:18 AM

Mine ain`t going so bad at the moment. But it takes so long to get it to "performance" (I use the term lightly ha ha) level. I do have a You tube vid of a real expert at work. So I have something to aim for. Apart from the Steinway he`s playing that is . . . .
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 10:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
I know how you feel - cos I've also got threes against twos with my piece (nocturne op 54, 4) and many of the twos are tied, which further complicates it. Apparently it helps to tap out the rhythms (on different sounding surfaces) of each hand together until embedded, then transfer to the keyboard. Will have to try that, though its hard for me to not just charge ahead.


You probably know this already, but 3 and against 2 is "not di-fi-cult". Say that out loud, over and over. Tap left hand on "not" and "fi", right hand on "not", "di", "cult". 3 against 2!

Sam
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 10:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Sam S
Originally Posted By: Dipsy
I know how you feel - cos I've also got threes against twos with my piece (nocturne op 54, 4) and many of the twos are tied, which further complicates it. Apparently it helps to tap out the rhythms (on different sounding surfaces) of each hand together until embedded, then transfer to the keyboard. Will have to try that, though its hard for me to not just charge ahead.


You probably know this already, but 3 and against 2 is "not di-fi-cult". Say that out loud, over and over. Tap left hand on "not" and "fi", right hand on "not", "di", "cult". 3 against 2!
In fact, it might be easier to ignore the ties at first just to get the proper 3 vs. 2 feel, then work on adding the ties back in.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 11:12 AM

I probably have to record my piece already by the middle of June. I'm going to spend 4 - 6 weeks away from the piano this summer, and August is likely to be very busy with other things.

Fortunately I know the piece, 65/6 "Wedding day" pretty well. I made my first attempts with it already in 1968. At that time I played it very badly, indeed, but since then I have made some improvement. Have to brush up a few details, though.....
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 11:14 AM

wow ganddalf you have been working on your piece since 1968? what chance has anyone else got with only till this september!! lol.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 11:18 AM

Originally Posted By: Sam S
Originally Posted By: Dipsy
I know how you feel - cos I've also got threes against twos with my piece (nocturne op 54, 4) and many of the twos are tied, which further complicates it. Apparently it helps to tap out the rhythms (on different sounding surfaces) of each hand together until embedded, then transfer to the keyboard. Will have to try that, though its hard for me to not just charge ahead.


You probably know this already, but 3 and against 2 is "not di-fi-cult". Say that out loud, over and over. Tap left hand on "not" and "fi", right hand on "not", "di", "cult". 3 against 2!

Sam



So...is anyone else sitting at their desk tapping away saying not. di. fi. cult. ?


****
My book has arrived -- Very pretty smile
I'm a happy camper smile
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 12:01 PM

I'll give that a try - thanks SamS and Morodiene.


Cas - thanks for all the comments on the mendelssohn - the feedback was very encouraging to read.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 12:49 PM

Dipsy- my pleasure to give feedback. I think I'm about half way through listening - more to come! It is certainly an even greater pleasure to listen to all the performers. I love the tremendous effort folks put into learning pieces that were very challenging, and the success with which they managed to do so.

I've been reading the last few posts, and looking at the scores in my new book --- I think I'm going to flag it with post it notes so that I can easily find what the others are talking about. Great fun.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 12:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Sam S
You probably know this already, but 3 and against 2 is "not di-fi-cult". Say that out loud, over and over. Tap left hand on "not" and "fi", right hand on "not", "di", "cult". 3 against 2!

Not necessarily, at least not with the durations that I naturally give the syllables. I tend to come out with an eighth note followed by triplet sixteenths.

For me, I have to already know how 2 against 3 sounds to give "not difficult" the right rhythm.

My attempts at 2 against 3 are to count a quick 1-2-3 for the beat or beats that has the three. Then count 1-2-&-3, and the second note of the duplet comes on &:

For the 2 in RH and the 3 in LH:
Code:
1     2  &  3
RH       RH 
LH    LH    LH

If you need all the "&'s", that's
Code:
1  &  2  &  3  &
RH       RH 
LH    LH    LH

Once I understand what the rhythm is, then using the phrase "not difficult" might be helpful. But if I already understand the rhythm well enough to say "not difficult" in the correct rhythm, then I've gone a long way towards internalizing the rhythm and may not need the words at all.
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/09/13 02:22 PM

Please include me in the book addict club! It's really rather ridiculous around here. Musically, I'm always snapping up deals (like the Scarlatti, Brahms, Satie, Chopin collections I can't play, or the 4-for-3 deals), or things I just get fixated on, whether I can play them or not. The local orchestra is having their annual book fair next week, so I know I am in for trouble! And as far as regular books, between me and BillyO - our bookshelves are overflowing, and there are piles of books on the floor in every room. And I'm getting another shipment today.

Back to Grieg! Started on mine. I am trying to go very very slowly.. my pinky has to play over everything else! Should be interesting to see how it pans out. No tricky timing, really, so I'm safe there. But it is a new challenge, and I'm rather excited about it.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/10/13 02:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Rostosky
wow ganddalf you have been working on your piece since 1968? what chance has anyone else got with only till this september!! lol.


Good for you that this is not a competition grin
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/11/13 09:47 AM

not ..... fi
not dif .....cult

not ..... fi
not dif ......cult


not .... fi
not dif ...... cult

yes it is! (at the moment at any rate). I need a calmer mind to focus for this.
The weather here (sun, showers and a gusty breeze) keeps changing, and every time the sun peeps out it feels like I should go outside
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/11/13 10:03 AM

Hello all smile Not been around for a while, been real busy. Struggling with my chosen piece, not sure if I can do this lol.

And now I have a non sounding key, (well it does if I hit it lol) Anyways, off to make a new thread, see if I can get some help, laters folks smile
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/11/13 11:12 AM

Ganddalf - wow since 1968! I'm so looking forward to listening to it. It is my second favorite after Butterfly.

I'm waiting for my book to be delivered next week but tried the version downloaded off the Internet this morning. Both Puck and Summer's Eve weren't so bad. I need to bring out a child within me to play Puck:) to play it well. My goal is to play Puck rythimically correct and all the articulations etc which will bring out the energy & movement within the piece. Summer's eve is totally different. I will have lots of fun with plenty of rubato.

I do have questions for those folks who already got the books. In measure 16 of Puck, the last note C does not have natural sign on it but after the whole measure rest in measure 18, C has flat on it. I played measure 16 both ways, with and without flat. IMHO it sounds better to play without flat first time and add flat back on in measure 18. Similar pattern comes back later in the piece. I'm not count the measures for that. I think it is a printing mistake. So I will play it with what I think it right until I know which is the right way.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/11/13 11:21 AM

Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Ganddalf - wow since 1968! I'm so looking forward to listening to it. It is my second favorite after Butterfly.

I'm waiting for my book to be delivered next week but tried the version downloaded off the Internet this morning. Both Puck and Summer's Eve weren't so bad. I need to bring out a child within me to play Puck:) to play it well. My goal is to play Puck rythimically correct and all the articulations etc which will bring out the energy & movement within the piece. Summer's eve is totally different. I will have lots of fun with plenty of rubato.

I do have questions for those folks who already got the books. In measure 16 of Puck, the last note C does not have natural sign on it but after the whole measure rest in measure 18, C has flat on it. I played measure 16 both ways, with and without flat. IMHO it sounds better to play without flat first time and add flat back on in measure 18. Similar pattern comes back later in the piece. I'm not count the measures for that. I think it is a printing mistake. So I will play it with what I think it right until I know which is the right way.


In bar 16, the flat for the C is just in the key signature, then there is a one bar rest, and in bar 18 the 3rd note is a C (actually 2 ...C3 and C4) both of which are marked flat. I don't see why it is marked, as there is no natural sign.... they should just all be flats, shouldn't they?

I've never played a piece in a key with six flats! ... I don't even know off the top of my head which key it is!...(Ok, I had to count round the circle of 4ths on my fingers. Gflat ! lol)
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/11/13 12:41 PM

Remembrances Op 71 no 7 is coming right along. Granted, I picked early, so was able to get an easy one. But I'm discovering there is a lot more to the piece besides getting the right notes!! My teacher is working with me on this. So, I should have it ready well before the deadline. Well, especially since my piece comes last of all!!!

These pieces are well named as "lyric pieces". I've listened to quite a few now on YouTube. Beautiful haunting melodies in some of them.

I'm so glad to have found PW!! Now I know that if for any reason I was not still taking lessons, I would still have a place to share my music and motivation to keep learning!!! I'm having loads of fun!!
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/11/13 01:37 PM

Originally Posted By: FarmGirl

I do have questions for those folks who already got the books. In measure 16 of Puck, the last note C does not have natural sign on it but after the whole measure rest in measure 18, C has flat on it. I played measure 16 both ways, with and without flat. IMHO it sounds better to play without flat first time and add flat back on in measure 18. Similar pattern comes back later in the piece. I'm not count the measures for that. I think it is a printing mistake. So I will play it with what I think it right until I know which is the right way.


FarmGirl, I have the Peters Urtext edition. it's a c natural in measure 16 and a c flat in measure 18. The "melody" is going down (in octaves) starting in measure 15. F, E flat, d flat, c natural, c flat, all leading up to the big forte in measure 19 on b flat.

Notice that the pattern is repeated in measure 74 in a different key. the progression is down again, going b flat, a flat, g flat, f natural, f flat, all leading to the big fortissimo on e flat in measure 78.

Sam
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/11/13 06:46 PM

Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Ganddalf - wow since 1968! I'm so looking forward to listening to it. It is my second favorite after Butterfly.


In fact, "Wedding day" was the first classical piano piece I played. After some 6 years with the pump organ, mostly playing church music, my parents traded the organ for a piano. My first two years on the piano I spent mostly on pop music and musicals, playing by ear. Then I got the Grieg score as a Christmas gift. I learnt to play it in very short time, but did it really badly. I played fast, skipped many notes and covered up mistakes by overusing the pedal. Hopefully I have slightly improved since then.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/11/13 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Ganddalf - wow since 1968! I'm so looking forward to listening to it. It is my second favorite after Butterfly.


In fact, "Wedding day" was the first classical piano piece I played. After some 6 years with the pump organ, mostly playing church music, my parents traded the organ for a piano. My first two years on the piano I spent mostly on pop music and musicals, playing by ear. Then I got the Grieg score as a Christmas gift. I learnt to play it in very short time, but did it really badly. I played fast, skipped many notes and covered up mistakes by overusing the pedal. Hopefully I have slightly improved since then.
Hmm, now we know what to be listening for wink

I love this piece, by the way, and will probably be inspired to learn it after this recital smile
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/11/13 06:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Sam S


FarmGirl, I have the Peters Urtext edition. it's a c natural in measure 16 and a c flat in measure 18. The "melody" is going down (in octaves) starting in measure 15. F, E flat, d flat, c natural, c flat, all leading up to the big forte in measure 19 on b flat.

Notice that the pattern is repeated in measure 74 in a different key. the progression is down again, going b flat, a flat, g flat, f natural, f flat, all leading to the big fortissimo on e flat in measure 78.

Sam

I've got the Dover edition and it doesn't show the C natural in bar 16, or the F natural in bar 74!

This is rather disconcerting! I wonder how many other errors there are!
Posted by: Whizbang

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/11/13 09:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
I played fast, skipped many notes and covered up mistakes by overusing the pedal.
Hmm, now we know what to be listening for wink


*coff coff* Fast, clean left hand arpeggios in polyrhythm at the end of the main theme and restatement smile

Pressure's on Ganddalf!
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/12/13 03:49 AM

Originally Posted By: Whizbang
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
I played fast, skipped many notes and covered up mistakes by overusing the pedal.
Hmm, now we know what to be listening for wink


*coff coff* Fast, clean left hand arpeggios in polyrhythm at the end of the main theme and restatement smile

Pressure's on Ganddalf!


Well, being native Norwegian and with piano experience since 1966 I should accept a "handicap" in an ABF recital with Grieg music. And when comes to the time of comments and feedback, I'll be more than happy if I get some constructive critisism.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/12/13 07:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Originally Posted By: Whizbang
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
I played fast, skipped many notes and covered up mistakes by overusing the pedal.
Hmm, now we know what to be listening for wink


*coff coff* Fast, clean left hand arpeggios in polyrhythm at the end of the main theme and restatement smile

Pressure's on Ganddalf!


Well, being native Norwegian and with piano experience since 1966 I should accept a "handicap" in an ABF recital with Grieg music. And when comes to the time of comments and feedback, I'll be more than happy if I get some constructive critisism.
I doubt I'll have any, you play so well! smile
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/12/13 10:45 AM

Andy and Cheryl
Thank you for checking the score you have. I'm happy that at least one edition (Peters) confirms my thought about the flat. I think Dover edition was a little sloppy. When I saw the flat sign on measure 18 and did not see natural sign in measure 16, I thought hmm, they probably missed or did not
bother natural in measure 16 since the flat is in the key signature. So I played it in both ways and the way I thought it should be (measure 16 without flat) sounded better. As Andy mentioned there is similar pattern towards the end. Thanks again
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/12/13 11:36 AM

Rossy, in the next list update, please take my name off of the 57/1 Vanished Days as a second choice. The Peace of the Woods will be enough for me I think for this recital. Vanished Days is beautiful but more that I want to take on in the next few months. I hope it gets picked up by someone though because it is a lovely piece! Thanks! thumb
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/12/13 12:01 PM

Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Andy and Cheryl
Thank you for checking the score you have. I'm happy that at least one edition (Peters) confirms my thought about the flat. I think Dover edition was a little sloppy. When I saw the flat sign on measure 18 and did not see natural sign in measure 16, I thought hmm, they probably missed or did not
bother natural in measure 16 since the flat is in the key signature. So I played it in both ways and the way I thought it should be (measure 16 without flat) sounded better. As Andy mentioned there is similar pattern towards the end. Thanks again


You're welcome FarmGirl --- what is "interesting" is that on the back cover of my book it ways "...reprinted here from the original editions published by C.F. Peters of Leipzig...."

I will mark my text, and hope that when I play any other pieces I have a good enough ear to recognize any other glitches! Time will tell!
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/12/13 01:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Valencia
Rossy, in the next list update, please take my name off of the 57/1 Vanished Days as a second choice. The Peace of the Woods will be enough for me I think for this recital. Vanished Days is beautiful but more that I want to take on in the next few months. I hope it gets picked up by someone though because it is a lovely piece! Thanks! thumb


Well that was timely!

If you don't mind, Valencia, I'll seize the opportunity and take your liberated 57,1 as my first choice - I've been getting progressively disenchanted with my 62,6 (Homeward) which is brisk but too happy for my current mood.

So, Rossy, if you could make the change for me then? My first choice changes from 62,6 to 57,1
Cheers, mate!
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/12/13 06:34 PM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
Originally Posted By: Valencia
Rossy, in the next list update, please take my name off of the 57/1 Vanished Days as a second choice. The Peace of the Woods will be enough for me I think for this recital. Vanished Days is beautiful but more that I want to take on in the next few months. I hope it gets picked up by someone though because it is a lovely piece! Thanks! thumb


Well that was timely!

If you don't mind, Valencia, I'll seize the opportunity and take your liberated 57,1 as my first choice - I've been getting progressively disenchanted with my 62,6 (Homeward) which is brisk but too happy for my current mood.

So, Rossy, if you could make the change for me then? My first choice changes from 62,6 to 57,1
Cheers, mate!


Yay! I'm glad you picked up this piece dire tonic! smile From the little bit of dabbling I did with the score, I found it beautiful but very challenging, so am relieved that it is passed on to you! Enjoy!
Posted by: IreneAdler

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/12/13 06:37 PM

Two questions: Is it better to learn from a published urtext of this piece or a copy of it from Imslp? I was currently working from a copy from Imslp, but I have see quite a few comments about purchasing a copy of the music. Secondly, I haven't played a piece in 6/8 before and I am having a little trouble transforming my knowledge of the mathematical structure to one of actually playing the notes. I know my teacher could answer all these questions, but I was trying to work on the first page so that I was a little more familiar with the piece before my next lesson, so we could work on more specific things in the lesson.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/12/13 06:50 PM

Originally Posted By: IreneAdler

Two questions: Is it better to learn from a published urtext of this piece or a copy of it from Imslp? I was currently working from a copy from Imslp, but I have see quite a few comments about purchasing a copy of the music.


I believe the IMSLP version is Peters, which appears to be urtext from a previous poster who is working from this score, so you should be fine.
Quote:
Secondly, I haven't played a piece in 6/8 before and I having a little trouble transforming my knowledge of the mathematical structure to one of actually playing the notes. I know my teacher could answer all these questions, but I was trying to work on the first page so that I was a little more familiar with the piece before my next lesson, so we could work on more specific things in the lesson.
You will want to look for the shortest note value to figure out how you should count this. Luckily the rhythm seems to repeat itself quite a bit so if you learn the first measure the inner and lower voices remain the same rhythmically. Just to top note (melody) changes. I would ignore the grace notes for now until you get the rhythm down. It's not hard to add them in later as long as you make fingering choices when not playing them to account for an extra finger available to play it (hope that makes sense).

Also, looks like you only have a few 16th notes (which would mean you'd have to add the 'and' in between the counting of the beats, so 1+2+3+4+5+6+ just in those measures). Otherwise, you just count 123456. 8th notes get one beat, quarters get two beats, dotted quarters get 3, dotted half notes the whole 6 beats.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/12/13 07:09 PM

Peters was the original publisher for the lyric pieces, so editions or scans of the Peters scores should be pretty good. The edition I have was published in 2007 and is titled the Piano Works Volume I, Lyric Pieces, and is an urtext version. Which doesn't mean that it is free of errors, just that the editors tried to get as close as possible to the original score.

Sam
Posted by: ElleC

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/12/13 07:37 PM

Just got my copy of Sailors Song. I hope I didn't bite off more than I can chew!
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/12/13 07:46 PM

Originally Posted By: IreneAdler

Secondly, I haven't played a piece in 6/8 before and I having a little trouble transforming my knowledge of the mathematical structure to one of actually playing the notes.

I just printed out the score, played through part of it (slowly wink ) and then listened to a couple of performances to make sure.

A bit of theory first. There's a kind of time signature which I learned as "compound time" where the top number is a multiple of three: 6/8, 9/8 and 12/8*. Each "three" (eighths in this case) forms one beat as if there were triplets, so 6/8 time has two beats [(1+1+1) (1+1+1)]. Well, like this:


If you look at the bass, you get a relentless rhythm:
1--2--3-- / 1-- 2--3
long-short long-short

You can feel these beats of (long-short) (long-short) in the bass and lower notes in the treble. Your melody has its own rhythm, but even it falls inside this feeling of three-pulse beats.

I don't usually like animated scores because they're sort of mechanical, but you can really see this long-short rhythm here. A lot of the more sophisticated performances were less rigid.


* Not every piece with these signatures have this kind of triplet timing, but many do.
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/12/13 08:51 PM

Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Andy and Cheryl
I think you mean Sam, not Andy!
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/13/13 10:18 AM

I have a stupid question...
In this measure, is the second grace note F#, like the note preceding it, or F natural?

Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/13/13 10:29 AM

Originally Posted By: sinophilia
I have a stupid question...
In this measure, is the second grace note F#, like the note preceding it, or F natural?





Your case is 100% clear. The main note has an F#, the grace must too.

If it were the other way around, it would perhaps be less clear. Accidentals within ornamentation is slightly open to interpretation but the general rule is: If the accidental occurs within the staff (including ledger lines), it carries forward. If it occurs within the ornamentation symbol, it is less clear and depends on context.
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/13/13 10:47 AM

Thank you Andy smile
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/13/13 11:55 AM

Hi everyone, Rossy's asked me to update the list and here it is;
Hopefully the next update will be to take account of new people signing up...


OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINITALY.
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)



Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling;; CARLOS88
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSEY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days) DIRE TONIC
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet)
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward):


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:


Saranoya (12.7)
Limefriday (71.1)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)
Beric (43.6)
SwissMS (47.7)
Dire tonic (68.3)
FARMGIRL (71.2)
Posted by: Allard

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/13/13 03:08 PM

Finally had a chance to discuss the Grieg recital with my teacher. He thinks my choice (43-3) is still out of reach: "it's got SIX sharps!" whistle

... but the polyphony is the real challenge. Still, I think I can do it in four months.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/13/13 03:30 PM

I find sharps (or flats) to be really not an issue. (But then, I'm wierd.) I can't remember if you play another instrument, Allard. I think my music reading of sharp and flat signatures transferred easily from my flute playing to my piano playing.

Except for perhaps the black keys present less surface area than the white keys, I'm not sure why a piece with more sharps would be harder technically than a piece with white keys. (Leaving aside any considerations of difficulty of reading.)

So I say, Go for it!
Posted by: niluh01

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/13/13 04:33 PM

Hello
I am new here to this forum, can anyone give me more specific details about this recital. Can I join too? I would love to do op. 54 no 3, March of the Dwarfs. Is this still available?
Thanks
Posted by: niluh01

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/13/13 04:36 PM

Sorry, I have seen the list now, the pieces that are still available. I would like to go with op 62 no 4: Brooklet.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/13/13 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Allard
Finally had a chance to discuss the Grieg recital with my teacher. He thinks my choice (43-3) is still out of reach: "it's got SIX sharps!" whistle

... but the polyphony is the real challenge. Still, I think I can do it in four months.


I just listened to yours Allard - its really pretty! I notice that though yours is more intricate than mine (12-3) there are similarities in structure with certain phrases repeated several times. (Less to learn!) I can see you've got a fair amount of that 3rd voice to deal with - a nice challenge!
I started lessons in January 2010 and the first "real" piece my teacher gave me had 4 sharps. It wasn't a big deal and I'm sure that you'll quickly get a handle on your music.

edited to add: When I say it wasn't a big deal, I mean that initially I was "shocked" and worried it would be difficult and my teacher quickly got me to see that it wasn't going to be a problem. (As a result I'm not immediately intimidated by a number of sharps or flats....mind you 16th and 32nd notes do induce a bit of anxiety :J) )

Niluh01 -- welcome to Piano World, and to the Themed Recital!
Posted by: Allard

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/14/13 04:37 AM

PS88, I have no previous musical experience, unless you count half a year of flute as a child learning basic musical skills and theory. That never got to the point of playing anything with flats or sharps.

A year ago those flats and sharps gave me great trouble reading the music. I find it a lot easier now. In fact, music with three flats or sharps might be harder, since you have to remember that only some of the black keys are used rather than all of them! The E sharp is a little confusing at the start, until you remember that it's secretly an F and your finger goes there automatically.

16th and 32nd notes do scare me, Cheryl. Especially when combined with hand movement, like extended arpeggios or difficult melodic runs. Wouldn't want to switch with your Grieg piece laugh
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/14/13 09:05 AM

welcome niluh01 - its great that you can join us!

Since op 62:4 is now taken, here's the latest list;

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINITALY.
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)



Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling;; CARLOS88
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSEY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days) DIRE TONIC
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet): NILUH01
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward):


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:


Saranoya (12.7)
Limefriday (71.1)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)
Beric (43.6)
SwissMS (47.7)
Dire tonic (68.3)
FARMGIRL (71.2)
Posted by: Pavel.K

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/14/13 11:39 AM

Originally Posted By: niluh01
Sorry, I have seen the list now, the pieces that are still available. I would like to go with op 62 no 4: Brooklet.


Niluh01, welcome to the Op62. I have felt a little lonely there smile
Posted by: niluh01

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/14/13 12:20 PM

Yes, why did nobody else take an op 62. These pieces are really lovely.
Pavel. K - glad to give a you company smile
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/14/13 12:54 PM

Hi folks,

We've found a way to get a complete set of lyric pieces up. So if any of you are wondering what to select, or how your piece sounds on a recording....have a listen.




Here is a list of start times within the video for your respective pieces. ( present for the class from teacher!)

Opus 12.

Opus 12 no.1 :beginning of the video.
opus 12 no.2 ; I minute in.
Opus 12 no. 3 : 2 minutes 50 seconds.
Opus 12 no.4 ; 5 minutes 25 seconds.
Opus 12 no. 5 : 6 minutes 18 seconds.
opus 12 no.6 : 8 minutes 10 seconds.
Opus 12 no. 7 : 9 minutes 15 seconds.
opus 12 no. 8 : 10 minutes 50 seconds.

opus 38.

Opus 38. no.1 : 12 minutes 37 seconds.
Opus 38. no.2 : 15 mins 05 secs.
Opus 38 no.3 : 16 mins 50 secs.
Opus 38 no.4 : 18 mins 58 secs.
opus 38 no.5 : 19 mins 48 secs.
opus 38 no.6 : 21 mins 12 secs.
Opus 38 no.7 : 24 mins.
opus 38 mo. 8 : 25 mins 07 secs.

opus 43.

No.1 : 29 mins 39 secs.
No.2 : 31 mins 30 secs.
No.3 : 34 mins 14 secs.
No.4 : 36 mins 17 secs.
No.5 : 38 mins 25 secs.
No.6 : 41 mins 20 secs.


Opus 47

No. 1 : 44mins 15 secs.
No.2 : 47 mins 45 secs.
No.3 : 51 mins 43 secs.
No.4 : 54 mins 40 secs.
No.5 : 56 mins 12 secs.
No.6 : 59 mins 55 secs.
No.7 : 1hr 2 mins 33 secs.


Opus 54.

No.1 : 1 hr 5 mins 20 secs.
No.2 : 1 hr 10 mins 10 secs.
No.3 : 1 hr 13 mins 50 secs.
No.4 : 1hr 16 mins 58 secs.
No.5 : 1hr 21 mins 30 secs.
No.6 : 1hr 21 mins 20. secs.

OPus 57.

No.1 : 1hr 30 mins 50 secs.
No.2 : 1hr 36 mins 52 secs.
No.3 : 1hr 40. 20.
No.4 : 1hr 43. 53.
No.5 : 1hr 49, 19
no.6 : 1hr 52, 13.

Opus 62.
no.1 : 1hr 57 mins.
no.2 : 1hr 58, 34
no.3 : 2hr 02 , 57
no.4 ; 2 hr 4 , 55.
no.5 : 2hr , 06 , 35.
no.6 : 2hr 09 mins.


OPus 65.

no.1 : 2hr 12,15.
no.2 : 2hr 17, 35.
no.3 : 2hr 19, 14.
no.4 : 2hr 24, 50.
No.5 : 2hr 25 11.
no.6 : 2hr 28 19.


opus 68.

no.1 ; 2hr 35, 30.
no.2 : 2hr 37 mins.
no.3 : 2hr 39, 10.
no.4 : 2hr 41, 56.
no. 5 : 2hr 45 ,12.
no.6 : 2hrs 47, 42.

Opus 71.

No.1 : 2hrs 51,30.
no.2 : 2hrs 56, 30.
no.3 : 2hrs 59,07.
no.4 : 3hrs 03, 04.
no.5 : 3hrs 06, 25.
no.6 : 3hrs 09, 32.
no.7 : 3hrs 12, 05.


Dipsey, doing things for you, so you dont have to do them yourselves!! Yeee ha.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/14/13 01:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
Hi folks,

We've found a way to get a complete set of lyric pieces up. So if any of you are wondering what to select, or how your piece sounds on a recording....have a listen.



Well, Eva is quick. I'll have to get my running shoes on to play "Gade" as fast as she does...

Sam
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/15/13 07:26 AM

Same here, SamS. I'm working on my 2nd choice which I retracted (71/5), just because in case I need to do it if no one takes it, I knew I'd need this time to get the tempo fast enough. They're both challenging though.

My first choice, 65/1 is tough in several places, but also emotionally. I lost my cat, Panda, if 17 years on Saturday, and so I'm a basket case. Still, he loved listening to piano, and I played a little for him (I've been working on Mendelssohn's Songs without Words 30/1) and that seemed an appropriate send off as we took him to the vet. All the music I'm learning right now is a tribute to his wonderful life with us. frown
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/15/13 08:07 AM

I am going to post this twice, once here and once in the medelssohn recital thread in case anyone misses it.

As you know Pw member carey was not well during the run up to the recital, but has done his piece and, well here it is.

This is what he had to say:

I purchased the sheet music for this piece at my teacher's suggestion when I was eleven (55 years ago). Never learned it - and carried it around with me all these years. Finally decided a few months ago to bite the bullet and give it a try before my technical skills start to go south on me.

The biggest challenge with this piece was determining a fingering that worked for ME (not for the editor). In one measure I couldn't make my LH do what Mendelssohn intended so I resorted to dividing the musical line between the RH and LH - and it actually worked. Also found that at this tempo it was necessary to keep the hands high - and play on the fingertips (including the tips of the thumb). Anything short of that bogged the piece down. Then, of course, there was the challenge of getting my brain and my fingers to work together during two minutes of INTENSE concentration. In the end, I tried to have fun with it.

[video:youtube]http://youtu.be/EHIy0KsjQ1Y[/video]
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/15/13 08:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene


My first choice, 65/1 is tough in several places, but also emotionally. I lost my cat, Panda, if 17 years on Saturday, and so I'm a basket case. Still, he loved listening to piano, and I played a little for him (I've been working on Mendelssohn's Songs without Words 30/1) and that seemed an appropriate send off as we took him to the vet. All the music I'm learning right now is a tribute to his wonderful life with us. frown


So sorry, it's devastating. But you're lucky to have shared 17 years with him! My favorite cat didn't make it to that age.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/15/13 08:34 AM

May I ask for Op. 65 No. 3 Tungsinn (Melancholy) as a number 2 (of course, if no one wants it as a first choice)? The fast octaves will be a challenge for me, but I have fallen in love with the piece.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/15/13 08:42 AM

Originally Posted By: sinophilia
Originally Posted By: Morodiene


My first choice, 65/1 is tough in several places, but also emotionally. I lost my cat, Panda, if 17 years on Saturday, and so I'm a basket case. Still, he loved listening to piano, and I played a little for him (I've been working on Mendelssohn's Songs without Words 30/1) and that seemed an appropriate send off as we took him to the vet. All the music I'm learning right now is a tribute to his wonderful life with us. frown


So sorry, it's devastating. But you're lucky to have shared 17 years with him! My favorite cat didn't make it to that age.
Thank you, sinophilia. Animals can hold a special place in our hearts because they can love unconditionally. smile
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/15/13 08:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: sinophilia
Originally Posted By: Morodiene


My first choice, 65/1 is tough in several places, but also emotionally. I lost my cat, Panda, if 17 years on Saturday, and so I'm a basket case. Still, he loved listening to piano, and I played a little for him (I've been working on Mendelssohn's Songs without Words 30/1) and that seemed an appropriate send off as we took him to the vet. All the music I'm learning right now is a tribute to his wonderful life with us. frown


So sorry, it's devastating. But you're lucky to have shared 17 years with him! My favorite cat didn't make it to that age.
Thank you, sinophilia. Animals can hold a special place in our hearts because they can love unconditionally. smile


I'm sorry to hear you've lost your little friend. I haven't had a pet for ages, but I remember well how hard it is to say good bye to them.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/15/13 10:45 AM


65.3 is now a second choice for pianostudent88, so the current list is as follows:

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINITALY.
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)



Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling;; CARLOS88
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSEY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days) DIRE TONIC
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet): NILUH01
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward):


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

pianostudent88 (65.3)
Saranoya (12.7)
Limefriday (71.1)
Dipsey ( 47.3)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)
Beric (43.6)
SwissMS (47.7)
Dire tonic (68.3)
FARMGIRL (71.2)
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/16/13 05:18 PM

Carey - I enjoyed listening to your Mendelssohn piece, and am glad you're up to it now. Thanks for persevering!

Maybe you'll be joining us again for the Grieg recital?
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/17/13 02:10 AM

I've got the notes and rhythm for 57.3, Illusion. Now to decide what tempo might be appropriate (although continue with slow practice) and search for how to deepen the expression of the piece. I'm not really sure what story it's telling.

For my second piece (provided no one else wants it) 65.3 Melancholy, I have started to practice (learn!) octave technique. I'm playing chromatic scales in octaves, with a flexible wrist, 1-5 on the white notes and 1-4 on the black notes, and being sure to relax my hand in between notes. It would be nice to have a teacher, but failing that I'm working from bits of discussion of octaves I've read in various places.
Posted by: carey

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/17/13 03:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
Carey - I enjoyed listening to your Mendelssohn piece, and am glad you're up to it now. Thanks for persevering!

Maybe you'll be joining us again for the Grieg recital?

Thanks Dipsy !!!!

Seems like the Lyric Pieces I already know have been spoken for !! ha I'll take a look at what's left and see if something resonates !!!!!

I'm impressed by all the talent represented in the ABF !!!
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/17/13 07:10 AM

That'd be great Carey - and don't forget there are always the pieces you don't yet know.... LOL
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/17/13 07:22 AM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
I've got the notes and rhythm for 57.3, Illusion. Now to decide what tempo might be appropriate (although continue with slow practice) and search for how to deepen the expression of the piece. I'm not really sure what story it's telling.

For my second piece (provided no one else wants it) 65.3 Melancholy, I have started to practice (learn!) octave technique. I'm playing chromatic scales in octaves, with a flexible wrist, 1-5 on the white notes and 1-4 on the black notes, and being sure to relax my hand in between notes. It would be nice to have a teacher, but failing that I'm working from bits of discussion of octaves I've read in various places.
Sounds like you're on the right track with the octaves. You may also want to practice them as broken octaves (bottom note-top note, then top-note bottom), being sure to relax in between. And you can also practice the octaves in rhythms. smile
Posted by: niluh01

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/17/13 07:23 AM

If nobody is taking op 62 no 1: Sylphe, may I take it as a second piece?
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/17/13 08:22 AM

Morodiene, thanks for the octave suggestions.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/17/13 08:41 AM

This is dangerous. I keep listening to other Grieg pieces and wanting to learn more! smile
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/17/13 08:45 AM

Here's the latest list - showing 62.1 and 38.7 are now taken as second choices.
Morodienne I'm glad you've been thinking of learning more grieg pieces- it could come in handy for the recital just in case there are 'vacancies' later!!http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/images/icons/default/laugh.gif

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINITALY.
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)



Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling;; CARLOS88
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSEY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days) DIRE TONIC
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet): NILUH01
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward):


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.



And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

pianostudent88 (65.3)
Saranoya (12.7)
Limefriday (71.1)
Dipsey ( 38.7)
Ladychen (38.4)
Peterws (47.6)
SamS (71.3)
Beric (43.6)
SwissMS (47.7)
Dire tonic (68.3)
FARMGIRL (71.2)
niluh01 (62.1)
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/17/13 09:31 AM

Dipsy, would it be possible to rearrange the second choice list into numerical order?
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/17/13 12:41 PM

No problem PianoStudent88 - its a good idea! (Rossy is really busy, so I'm helping out with the list today) So, without further ado, here is the amended list with second choices in numerical order:


OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINITALY.
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)


Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling;; CARLOS88
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSEY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days) DIRE TONIC
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet): NILUH01
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward):


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.


And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Saranoya (12.7)
Ladychen (38.4)
Dipsy (38.7)
Beric (43.6)
Peterws (47.6)
SwissMS (47.7)
niluh01 (62.1)
PianoStudent88 (65.3)
Dire tonic (68.3)
Limefriday (71.1)
FARMGIRL (71.2)
SamS (71.3)
Posted by: carey

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/17/13 01:03 PM

Please sign me up for Opus 68 No. 5 (Cradle Song)

Thanks -

Carey

p.s. when is the submission deadline???????
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/17/13 01:21 PM

Thanks, Dipsy.

carey, we've been discussing mid-September.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/17/13 02:12 PM

That's great Carey - here's another revised list to show that op 68.5 (cradle song) is now taken:

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINITALY.
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)


Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling;; CARLOS88
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSEY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days) DIRE TONIC
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet): NILUH01
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward):


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle): CAREY
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.


And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Saranoya (12.7)
Ladychen (38.4)
Dipsy (38.7)
Beric (43.6)
Peterws (47.6)
SwissMS (47.7)
niluh01 (62.1)
PianoStudent88 (65.3)
Dire tonic (68.3)
Limefriday (71.1)
FARMGIRL (71.2)
SamS (71.3)
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/17/13 02:14 PM

That's great Carey - here's another revised list to show that op 68.5 (cradle song) is now taken:

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINITALY.
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)


Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling;; CARLOS88
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days) DIRE TONIC
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet): NILUH01
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward):


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle): CAREY
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.


And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Saranoya (12.7)
Ladychen (38.4)
Dipsy (38.7)
Beric (43.6)
Peterws (47.6)
SwissMS (47.7)
niluh01 (62.1)
PianoStudent88 (65.3)
Dire tonic (68.3)
Limefriday (71.1)
FARMGIRL (71.2)
SamS (71.3)
Posted by: niluh01

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/20/13 01:09 PM

I have a question. I hope I am not in the wrong place to ask this. As it will be my first time posting a recording on this forum, how should I go about it? Will I simply put a Youtube or mp3? The deadline is somewhen in September, how 'early' am I allowed to post my recording? Thank you.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/20/13 01:14 PM

You upload a YouTube video and send the link to it to Rostosky (not to this thread). When the time for the recital comes, Rostosky posts all the videos in order on a new thread. The video can be of whatever you like. Of course the soundtrack is your Mendelssohn piece, but the pictures can either be of you playing or of anything else you'd like to complement the music. If you have more than one piece, you upload a separate video for each one.

Your YouTube video can be either Public or Unlisted, but not Private.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/20/13 01:24 PM

Some comments I posted over in the May Recital Discussion thread, which got me thinking about my Grieg piece(s):
Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Originally Posted By: Sam S
46. PianoStudent88 - Lyado Is Seriously Ill, Op. 62 No. 3 I think Ljado is very ill - hope he makes it! You brought out the mood very well - nicely done.

What's interesting about mood to me is that often I'm not thinking "mood", in terms of emotive or descriptive words. Instead, I'm following the markings in the music, and the sound. Then it miraculously (due to the genius of the composer) comes out sounding with the composer's intended mood. This is very gratifying.

Originally Posted By: casinitaly
46. PianoStudent88 - Lyado Is Seriously Ill, Op. 62 No. 3 Very interesting piece ! One I've never heard. It certainly creates the sensation of something not being right, building a sense of worry and tension! - poor Lyado, must be very ill indeed! Nicely played!

I think my goal is for my own piano playing talent (or lack of it) to get out of the way and simply allow the composer's intent to shine through. My role is to accurately and thoughtfully learn and perform his music. Glad you found this interesting.

Originally Posted By: SwissMS
46. PianoStudent88 - Lyado Is Seriously Ill, Op. 62 No. 3 This is a very interesting piece. You brought out the sadness and gave the piece a restrained, mourning sound. Well done!

Thank you, SwissMS. Similar to what I said to Sam S, I'm not consciously trying to sound mournful, but fortunately Khachaturian has written that into the music so if I perform it sensitively to the sound, it comes out.


For Op. 57. No. 3, Illusion, I'm still not sure how I want it to sound, or how it should sound. Currently I feel like I'm sort of leadenly getting the notes out, but with no shaping, emphasis, goal, or motivation. So I may have to resort to something I don't usually do, which is think programmatically about how to convey "Illusion" through this music. Usually I take an abstract approach guided by how the music sounds rather than any particularly imagistic approach. I've been resisting listening to other people play this; I'm not entirely sure why except that I want to discover the piece for myself and not imitate someone else's rendition. But I may need someone else's rendition to give me some ideas to start with.

For Op. 65 No. 3, Melancholy, I feel much differently. At least so far it seems like the notes and markings on the page will be sufficient to get me started in how to feel the piece, without particularly trying to think of it as melancholic. It's early days on this one though; I'm still practicing octave technique (as much as I can figure out intuitively with scraps of information) before seriously starting to learn the piece itself.

How does anyone else approach expressing the title or mood of a piece?
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/20/13 01:46 PM

Will it have to be a video and not simply an MP3 file? I've never made a video before!!
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/20/13 02:32 PM

Pianostudent - I don't know the answer (how to convey the mood/notion of the title of a piece) but asked a man who might, and the advice from beric (paraphrased) is:

On 'Illusion:
"The starting point is learning what to play - right notes, etc
It also helps to analyse the music and this will show a motif running throughout, but with constantly shifting harmony/modality. This in itself conveys the idea of 'illusion' - an idea seen through different lenses. (Dipsy: so the idea of the music having a goal might not be helpful, as the transient nature of it all IS the point - the piece only settles harmonically at the very end).
The only way to really discover the secrets of a piece is to play it, as you play it, you start to understand it. Getting to know it really well is 'part of the fun of the hunt'!
Beric also gave a tip- as it is marked allegretto seriouso, it shouldnt be played in a jaunty way - need to be more reflective, considered."

hope this helps
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/20/13 02:44 PM

Dipsy, thank you to you and to Beric. That is very helpful. In a way, it lets me feel OK about just continuing to live with the piece, and wait for the music to tell me what it wants, rather than try to be too consciously Illusive.
Posted by: Allard

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/20/13 02:54 PM

dynamobt, if you are uncomfortable filming your performance, you can simply use Windows Movie Maker or similar software to put a picture over your sound. It's very easy to do. What matters is that all performances can be found nicely together on YouTube.
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/20/13 03:12 PM

Well, it's not that I'm "uncomfortable" filming myself. I lack the skills to sync video with audio. Never used Windows Movie Maker, though I did download it to have it. Worse comes to worse, you'll all get a nice picture of my piano with some background music!! LOL and that's if I can figure out how to do even that!!!!
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/20/13 03:44 PM

dynamobt, I am similarly a Windows Movie Maker neophyte, but I'd like to figure it out, so I'll tackle it and then I can offer advice on how to use it. Or you can send me your sound file and a picture you want to go with it, and I can put them together for you. I think there are other people on this thread who can also offer advice.

Do you have a YouTube account?
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/20/13 04:19 PM

Thanks PianoStudent88!!! I do have a YouTube account. Never used it though. I'll have my piece done well before the deadine. It's nearly ready as is. I was lucky and got to pick a relatively easy one!!!
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/20/13 04:34 PM

Hi everyone!

An update from me: I've realized that my practice was becoming chaotic, so I'll have to be a metronome's slave again. And I'm still on the first page cry !

How slow I am when I have to learn a new piece.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/21/13 02:19 AM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Usually I take an abstract approach guided by how the music sounds rather than any particularly imagistic approach.


This is usually my approach too, looking for a pleasing musical effect rather than trying to conjure up an image although it's not difficult to hear in many of the lyric pieces a blatant attempt to set a mood.

Quote:
I've been resisting listening to other people play this; I'm not entirely sure why except that I want to discover the piece for myself and not imitate someone else's rendition. But I may need someone else's rendition to give me some ideas to start with.



I spend a lot of time listening. I’ve no basis for saying this but I think most ordinary mortals need to go through a phase of emulation before striking out on their own. More importantly, listening to the pros playing a piece, trying to figure out their differences, is an educative exercise for the ears – let alone trying to grapple with the technical challenge of trying to replicate something they’re doing – often futile but rewarding wherever it’s possible.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/21/13 07:12 AM

You do get ideas when you listen to others, and while it's great to try and get your own ideas going, sometimes it's good to hear other people's to get inspired. I will just as often *not* do what I hear another doing as I will - but by listening that helps me determine what I like.

Listen to several different recordings, but not any enough to memorize what they're doing, just to make note yourself of what you want to do. I often will be going through the piece in my mind throughout the day, working through how I want it to sound. That way I know what it should sound like before I sit down at the piano. Then it's all about figuring out how to play it like I hear in my head.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/21/13 05:06 PM

Thanks to the suggestions about listening. I've now done some listening. I now have some ideas about varying tempo and dynamics in Illusion, Op. 57 No. 3.

Listening to it, I have also discovered that right now I don't actually like the piece very much. It just goes along endlessly Daah-di-di-di Daah-di-di-di. I love minor key pieces usually, but it doesn't sound very minor to me, perhaps because of all the shifting things Grieg is doing with the harmonies. And I can't really hear shifting harmonies (for example, to tell "ah that is shifting as opposed to more stable") so that aspect of Grieg's artistry is lost on me, at least consciously.

Don't worry Rostosky, even through I'm not liking it very much I'm not going to ask to change.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/21/13 05:12 PM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Illusion, Op. 57 No. 3.

Listening to it, I have also discovered that right now I don't actually like the piece very much. It just goes along endlessly Daah-di-di-di Daah-di-di-di.


I'm listening to it now.... I fear that from this point on whenever I hear it I'm going to think "Daah-di-di-di Dah-di-di-di..... Thank goodness it isn't a piece I'm likely to run into on a regular basis wink
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/21/13 05:18 PM

Oddly, I often like minimalist music, so maybe I need to shift my expectation from "lush romantic lyric piece" to "nascent Norwegian minimalism", and then I will start to like it better. Not sure if I mean this with a smile or entirely seriously!
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/21/13 06:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Recaredo
Hi everyone!

An update from me: I've realized that my practice was becoming chaotic, so I'll have to be a metronome's slave again. And I'm still on the first page cry !

How slow I am when I have to learn a new piece.


Which always lands you enviable results!


I'm enjoying my piece (12 , no 1). The pedal has been challenging, however. It's not helping that my piano needs tuning and the pedal just emphasizes that. I still haven't made up my mind how I want to do it yet, but I guess I'll wait til I have a firm grip on the piece.
Posted by: Rostosky

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/22/13 08:54 AM

Okay folks here I am back from the battle!

what battle is that then Rossy? I hear someone say in their minds voice.

well it was actually a place called battle, which is near hastings where the battle of 1066 happened with the invading types, over here on Jolly old Englands proverbial green and pleasant land.

which is why its called Battle of course, and very green and pleasant it is too down that way, I can reccomend it as a good place to visit.

warmer than wales and not gray like wales.

Right if anyone needs help with windows movie maker, or making a video to then put up on youtube, then just ask me and I will walk you through the whole process , especially if you are nice to me and also if you make me laugh with stupid stories about things that shouldnt really be funny, but actually are.
Posted by: SwissMS

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/22/13 09:51 AM

I thought I would check in. 38 3 is going well. It is basically repeating the same theme three times with variations. I still really enjoy playing this piece. It is in hand except the 3 against 4 measures, which still sound rather haphazard. I am sure my teacher will have something to say about that at my lesson tomorrow.

I have fallen out of love with 47 7. It repeats twice and is quite discordant at times, at least at the speed I am playing right now. So don't shoot me if I ask to change my 2nd choice to 38 8 Kannon. It is more ambitious, so I want to talk to my teacher tomorrow about taking it on.

She presented all of the lyrical pieces as a master's degree project before beginning her doctorate. Hence, she is very familiar with all of them. I will let her decide which piece would be better for me. Since 2nd choices are available to others to choose, hopefully my making a change will not cause any problems.

I will report tomorrow if she thinks I can polish 38 8 in four months. Otherwise I will just stick with 47 7.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/22/13 10:27 AM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Oddly, I often like minimalist music, so maybe I need to shift my expectation from "lush romantic lyric piece" to "nascent Norwegian minimalism", and then I will start to like it better. Not sure if I mean this with a smile or entirely seriously!
I played through your piece last night, and it really has some impressionistic nuances to it! I would treat it like a Debussy Prelude (and maybe the title Illusion was to insinuate that style?). Go for a more ethereal sound rather than a romantic sound with this one.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/22/13 11:38 AM

Thank you, Morodiene. What are some of the impressionistic nuances? I've never played Debussy, but someone played Voiles very impressively in the current Beginners And Beyond Recital, so I could use that to give me an idea.

Ethereal, I can wrap my mind around that.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/22/13 12:13 PM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Thank you, Morodiene. What are some of the impressionistic nuances? I've never played Debussy, but someone played Voiles very impressively in the current Beginners And Beyond Recital, so I could use that to give me an idea.

Ethereal, I can wrap my mind around that.
To me it means less of an idea of melody and harmony, and more just an overall picture of something. Think about how Impressionist paintings can be made up of several dots or slashes of paint but when you step back and look at the overall picture you see what it is. Impressionism in art I believe had not to do with trying to depict something accurately like a portait or still life, but was concerned with implying the feeling of whatever the subject matter was.

Translated to piano music, you would want to determine for yourself what feelings this is alluding to. Obviously, there are notes you will want to bring out, little melodies if you will, but it's not the kind of melody you'd find in Chopin or Mendelssohn SWW wink. It's more of an allusion to a feeling or atmosphere. Sorry if this sounds very obscure.

I played through it a second time and I imagined it was an Impressionist take on a Viennese waltz - not a grand one, but perhaps one done in a parlor with someone playing the piano. Even though it's in 6/8 and doesn't always have the "boom-chick-chick" accompaniment (more often it's just "boom-chick"), it really helped give me some ideas.

For example, when doing a waltz, beat 2 is always slightly elongated. In this time signature, you'd be looking at elongating beats 2 and 5. I don't know if this sounds crazy or if it helps at all, but that's what I got out of it. wink
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/22/13 01:08 PM

That is very helpful, Morodiene, thank you.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/22/13 08:45 PM

Oh, what the heck. I'll take Halling, Op. 38 no. 4.


I'll see if my eye allows me to see the music well enough.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/23/13 05:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Oh, what the heck. I'll take Halling, Op. 38 no. 4.


I'll see if my eye allows me to see the music well enough.


Welcome Piano*Dad!
Nice to see you in this neck of the woods smile
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/23/13 07:33 AM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Oh, what the heck. I'll take Halling, Op. 38 no. 4.


I'll see if my eye allows me to see the music well enough.
What do some of your guys do for those of you who are visually impaired? Photocopy it larger, use a tablet screen? Maybe some ideas will help out P*D.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/23/13 08:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Oh, what the heck. I'll take Halling, Op. 38 no. 4.


I'll see if my eye allows me to see the music well enough.
What do some of your guys do for those of you who are visually impaired? Photocopy it larger, use a tablet screen? Maybe some ideas will help out P*D.


I'm not visually impaired, just old smile I have prescription glasses that I got just for piano, one of those LED lights that clamps on the music desk, and a floor lamp that shines over my shoulder. So it's strong light and special glasses for me.

Sam
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/23/13 08:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Oh, what the heck. I'll take Halling, Op. 38 no. 4.


I'll see if my eye allows me to see the music well enough.
What do some of your guys do for those of you who are visually impaired? Photocopy it larger, use a tablet screen? Maybe some ideas will help out P*D.


One of the adult students at the studio I go to takes each piece, blows it up to an 11x17 (or A3 outside of US) size and pastes it onto poster board. Too much effort for me but it works well for her!
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/23/13 08:10 AM

The Cliburn competition starts this week, and one of the competitors (Alexey Chernov from Russia) is playing three of the Lyric Pieces: Opus 12/2, 38/7, and 47/1. All waltzes. All fairly easy, at least for the Cliburn competition. There was quite a bit of discussion and some heated arguments over on the piano forum about the wisdom of this programming choice. It's in the Cliburn competition thread on the piano forum if you want to wade through it. They do tend to get excited over there, not like the laid-back ABF!

Sam
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/23/13 10:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Oh, what the heck. I'll take Halling, Op. 38 no. 4.


I'll see if my eye allows me to see the music well enough.
What do some of your guys do for those of you who are visually impaired? Photocopy it larger, use a tablet screen? Maybe some ideas will help out P*D.


I had two surgeries for a detached retina over the past few months. My problems aren't the usual myopia or presbyopia. I have issues with tracking and binocular vision.
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/23/13 11:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Sam S
The Cliburn competition starts this week, and one of the competitors (Alexey Chernov from Russia) is playing three of the Lyric Pieces: Opus 12/2, 38/7, and 47/1. All waltzes. All fairly easy, at least for the Cliburn competition. There was quite a bit of discussion and some heated arguments over on the piano forum about the wisdom of this programming choice. It's in the Cliburn competition thread on the piano forum if you want to wade through it. They do tend to get excited over there, not like the laid-back ABF!

Sam


Please say we don't have to play Ravel's Gaspard de la nuit to qualify for the Grieg recital?! wink

(That's one of this competitor's other pieces.)
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/23/13 11:41 AM

Originally Posted By: Andy Platt
Please say we don't have to play Ravel's Gaspard de la nuit to qualify for the Grieg recital?! wink


Nah, that's too easy!
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/23/13 06:13 PM

Hi everyone and welcome Piano Dad, who has chosen op 38.4!

the updated list is as follows:

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINITALY.
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance);;;;PIANO DAD
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)


Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling;; CARLOS88
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days) DIRE TONIC
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet): NILUH01
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward):


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle): CAREY
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.


And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Saranoya (12.7)
Ladychen (38.4)
Dipsy (38.7)
Beric (43.6)
Peterws (47.6)
SwissMS (47.7)
niluh01 (62.1)
PianoStudent88 (65.3)
Dire tonic (68.3)
Limefriday (71.1)
FARMGIRL (71.2)
SamS (71.3)
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 08:26 AM

An update on my progress:

My 65/1 From Early Years is coming along alright. The broken octaves are becoming much smoother, but I still have to play them way slower than I'd like to be accurate. The impressionist-sounding 16th note patterns that happen at the end of both A sections is actually easier than I thought it would be, but I have to count to make sure I don't do too few or too many. Still ned to do quite a bit of tweaking, but I was hoping to have this memorized learned before the end of June so I can record it then - we'll see!

I'm also doing 71/5 unofficially in case there aren't any takers. This one has some crazy octave leaps, but it's getting there - I really need to work on the transition from the pattern in the higher octave to the repeat in the lower octave. I actually have to shift my body weight down (leaning toward the left) in order to make this transition, but it's not quite coordinated yet.

Both pieces are quite fun and enjoyable though!
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 10:13 AM

It is interesting to see which pieces have been chosen so far, and which are still open. Most Norwegians with interest in classical music know some of the Lyric Pieces, but many of them are rarely played.

Quite a few of the taken pieces belong within the group of less frequently played pieces, while some of the popular ones are still open. The pieces I'm most surprised of being left open are:

Op.12/6 "Norsk"
Op.12/7 "Albumblad" (A very nice, not too difficult piece)
Op.43/2 "Ensom vandrer" (Technically not hard and very characteristic Grieg)
Op.43/6 "Til våren" (One of the most frequently played pieces, not exeedingly difficult)
Op.68/3 "For dine føtter" (Very beautiful composition. Large hands and good pedalling is required for this piece)
Op.71/1 "Det var en gang" (Composed around a Sweedish and a Norwegian melody. Not more than moderatley hard)

Like Morodiene I have also looked a bit at 71/5 "Halling". However, I know that I'm going to be busy with many other things this summer, and I struggle with the octave leaps. So I'm not going to claim it.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 10:15 AM

I have memorised most of 54/2, which was surprisingly easy as much of it is serial work, there are just a couple of transitions left and I don't have the facility in my left hand when the main figure transfers from the right in MM17, 21 and 45-60. There are still a lot of places needing HS work for the accacc.'s and all the chord leaps but I'm very pleased with progress considering the time gone and time remaining.

Most of my attention so far has been on M1-16 HT and M27-37 HS (working the weaker fingers with some iffy stretches) and the tempo has risen quite nicely in the former without my having to think about it. I'm not yet at the stage where I've to add metronome to prevent going too fast too soon but I'm getting there.

My 'unofficial' piece is Op. 38/1 and the problems there are two against three within the hand and keeping the voices separate. M51-66 are looking awkward for memorising but again I'm well ahead of schedule on this piece. I worked M1-16 in 4 bar sections and I already have them joined together as one unit. It's repeated una corda so I'm effectively up to M32 and about half tempo now.

I'm dropping them next week while I work on M33-50, which is easy enough to play from the score, then it's on to the final 20 which will be easy enough to play but might be awkward to memorise.

I'll be taking more weeks off from these pieces than I was able to with the Mendelssohn (where I started quite late due to memorising the music before I went to the piano) - so better gestation and assimilation. Here I'm in more familiar territory and it's all looking good so far.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 10:22 AM

zrtf90: does taking time off in the middle of learning help you? For me, if I stop it's not necessarily a good thing.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 10:31 AM

When I stop playing at the piano I try to continue away from it. I keep them up at weekends but work different groups Mon-Fri. When I get back to a piece I've often improved. If I keep at it I don't notice the improvement and get frustrated or introduce mistakes from speeding up too soon.

If I stop mental play as well I may have to re-memorise when I get back - this makes the memory stronger and shows me where the memory weaknesses are that I have to shore up.

I try to avoid pieces above my pay grade so that most of the work I do is memorising with just a little technical effort. It's nice to have a challenge but it doesn't help if you need so much time to make it sound as good as the idea in the mind.
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 11:18 AM

Seems like it's status time? I've memorized Opus 12 No 5 (Popular Melody) which was never my intention. I thought it was simple enough that I could just read it. But the structure is exceedingly simple: A-B-A-B-A; with just very minor differences between the initial theme and the subsequent versions. So it ended up memorized anyway.

I played it for my teacher the other week and she had some great suggestions which I'm incorporating. Molto legato on the melodic line - she found the pedal indications strange but they appear to be original. Pedal off on the second beat in each measure (it's in 3/4). I must admit I'm going half pedal for a lot more than that!

I think the hardest thing is going to be polishing. It is a simple piece which sets the bar very high for making it shine.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 12:41 PM

Ok, my status (Op 12, N3 Watchman's Song)

I've got the first part pretty well down pat (which means I have the ending down pat too as it is the same).

The middle part I've just barely started on. There aren't very many notes, but the combinations and hand positions and speed are going to take a LOT of work for me.
Work is too hectic and stressful right now to add piano stress so I'm just going to work on the easier parts for now and save the trickier bits for mid-June, July.
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 01:24 PM

My status then (op. 54 no. 6, Bell Ringing)

I can play it through at half tempo with the score and my notes in front of me. Now I especially need to practice the final chord sequence and the dynamics of the whole piece (which goes from ppp to ff sforzando!). I've listened to Richter play this piece and I understood a couple more things about it.

I also intend to record most of my practice sessions from now on, so I can hopefully defeat the red dot syndrome.

Oh, and I will use the metronome most of the time I think, since there is a super steady bass with just one slight ritardando at some point.
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 01:32 PM

I've pretty much got Op 71 no 7, Remembrances where I want it. It's not memorized yet. And I don't really expect it to be memorized when I play it June 5th in recital. I was lucky and got to pick relatively early on since I already had the music. However, these pieces may look fairly easy, but they are not easy!! There is much technique needed and a deep musical understanding of what is going on to play them well.

Next up will be getting a recording of it. I have one done. But I made it before I had learned to relax my hand so I could play the inner accompaniment softly. This took some doing to learn. But, I think I've got it now. Definitely a piece worth learning. Turns out it has been a good thing to be working on the Chopin a minor waltz at the same time.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 08:56 PM

What is the deadline for this little recital?
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 08:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
What is the deadline for this little recital?
I think mid-Sept.?
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 09:24 PM

Here's the update on 71/4 Peace of the Woods. smile

I have a long way to go! This piece is tricky with all the accidentals. There are 5 sharps in the key signature: F, C, D, G and A. But then Grieg keeps switching it up through the whole piece, adding sharps or naturals here and there and everywhere. It's so beautiful but a brain strain! Today I played it all the way through for the first time (just to try). Took me 15 min! :P Mostly I've been going through each section, trying to figure out fingering.
Posted by: stumbler

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 09:56 PM

47 n 5 Melancholy

I too have a long way to go. It's a bit more difficult than I thought, a challenge to finger independence.
I've got my teacher on board. I've done the fingering. The playing part is still in the early stages. I could post a current audio (chock full of mistakes). I was a bit slow ramping up---I'm working on too many pieces at once---but am fully committed to this.

One other problem is I think I'm developing an excess of black bile. Luckily, I've found some information useful in dealing with this.
http://www.greekmedicine.net/Principles_...vous_Humor.html
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 10:09 PM

Well, at least you don't seem to require a blood letting!!
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 10:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
What is the deadline for this little recital?
I think mid-Sept.?


Good. That way if I don't get it done, it's my fault ... smile

I think if I could concentrate on the piece it would only take a few weeks to get it under the fingers, but life is .... well, life, and setting aside a lot of time is not easy. And in any case, I do better if I can keep coming back to something over time. I learn it better that way.

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OK, my son just sat down and sightread through the silly piece. He had it pretty much up to speed on the third run-through.

Arrrrrgh.
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 10:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
What is the deadline for this little recital?
I think mid-Sept.?


Good. That way if I don't get it done, it's my fault ... smile

I think if I could concentrate on the piece it would only take a few weeks to get it under the fingers, but life is .... well, life, and setting aside a lot of time is not easy. And in any case, I do better if I can keep coming back to something over time. I learn it better that way.

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OK, my son just sat down and sightread through the silly piece. He had it pretty much up to speed on the third run-through.

Arrrrrgh.

Auch!
But why don't you ask him to write his fingering for a reference.
It would save your time.
Posted by: stumbler

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 11:13 PM

Originally Posted By: dynamobt
Well, at least you don't seem to require a blood letting!!


Yes, but purgatives may be indicated frown
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/24/13 11:26 PM

I tried Puck. Not bad. The patterns are very logically laid out. My fingering works. I won't start this until August. The Summer xxxx bag song (Summer's Eve) is beautiful, short and sweet. I just read through and put fingerings. I will wait to start this until one month before.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/25/13 08:45 AM

Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Auch!
But why don't you ask him to write his fingering for a reference.
It would save your time.


The fingerings aren't really much of an issue in that little piece. It fits pretty naturally to the hand, and the edition (Schirmer) has reasonable fingerings already marked. I was just annoyed (hah!) at the difference in our technical skill levels ...
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/25/13 08:39 PM

I know - I'm constantly outplayed by youngsters in my class (community college piano performance studio). At least you can be proud of giving him good gene and lessons:)
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/26/13 02:49 AM

I think I’m getting on ok with 57,1. With the recital so far off I haven’t done much more than noodle with various bits of the piece so some of the difficulties may not become fully apparent until I try and play it as a whole. Some evident problems arising from having a very ordinary span, particularly the little triplet octave 3rds jump in bar 4 – that’ll need an element of luck. Also the long chord build towards the end of the A theme which will need some note removal and/or thumb-on-two-notes – fortunately it’s not fast. There’s an arpeggio which might bring on my arthritis.

I'm undecided about Grieg’s modulations – they ‘work’ a lot of the time, often with a tiny kernel of an idea, usually producing a strong effect and yet because he does it so much they seem, sometimes, to be a device rather than an inspiration. The key change in some modern pop has always been effective, giving the song a certain kind of lift, but I never met a writer who didn’t admit it was a cheap trick. I certainly wouldn’t accuse Grieg of that - he at least does it with finesse and some of his music is sublime.
Posted by: niluh01

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/26/13 05:26 AM

Update on op 62 no 3 - Brooklet

I have memorised this piece already, because I probably won't be able to play over the summerholiday as I am going home and there is no piano to play on! I would really like to finish this piece, but it's much harder then it looks. I am having trouble getting the trills in the left hand playing with the right. My teacher meant it would take me two months to play the trills even and fast. But I don't have two months!!

Second choice op 62 no 1

This piece is as hard as my first choice. I have also memorised it, but the jumps in the right hand are quite hard. At the same time it should be played light and leggerio. I hope that before the holidays, I am ready to record them both.
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/26/13 08:15 AM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
I'm undecided about Grieg’s modulations – they ‘work’ a lot of the time, often with a tiny kernel of an idea, usually producing a strong effect and yet because he does it so much they seem, sometimes, to be a device rather than an inspiration. The key change in some modern pop has always been effective, giving the song a certain kind of lift, but I never met a writer who didn’t admit it was a cheap trick. I certainly wouldn’t accuse Grieg of that - he at least does it with finesse and some of his music is sublime.


I'm not sure that I would agree that a well placed modulation is a cheap trick. In fact, a well crafted song that includes that is probably the opposite. As to whether Grieg overuses them, well perhaps or perhaps not. But he was writing at a period where harmonic progression was being "tested" and, eventually annihilated, so perhaps it's not unexpected.

Food for thought though - it will get me thinking some!

P.S. I had a big discussion with my teacher of Opus 12, No 5 where I had written the word "unusual" over one chord change. She disagreed so I just played the harmonies out for her in blocked chords. Oh, yes, she agreed.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/26/13 08:39 AM

Originally Posted By: Andy Platt
Originally Posted By: dire tonic
I'm undecided about Grieg’s modulations – they ‘work’ a lot of the time, often with a tiny kernel of an idea, usually producing a strong effect and yet because he does it so much they seem, sometimes, to be a device rather than an inspiration. The key change in some modern pop has always been effective, giving the song a certain kind of lift, but I never met a writer who didn’t admit it was a cheap trick. I certainly wouldn’t accuse Grieg of that - he at least does it with finesse and some of his music is sublime.


I'm not sure that I would agree that a well placed modulation is a cheap trick. In fact, a well crafted song that includes that is probably the opposite. As to whether Grieg overuses them, well perhaps or perhaps not. But he was writing at a period where harmonic progression was being "tested" and, eventually annihilated, so perhaps it's not unexpected.

Food for thought though - it will get me thinking some!

P.S. I had a big discussion with my teacher of Opus 12, No 5 where I had written the word "unusual" over one chord change. She disagreed so I just played the harmonies out for her in blocked chords. Oh, yes, she agreed.
One of the pieces I'm playing, 65/1 has any modulations, just a sudden shift from d minor to D major and back. The 71/5 (my unofficial 2nd piece) does have frequent modulations though, but I think it's very cute and adds to the folksy quality of it. Certainly not a cheap trick, IMO.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/26/13 10:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Andy Platt
I'm not sure that I would agree that a well placed modulation is a cheap trick. In fact, a well crafted song that includes that is probably the opposite.


You're misquoting me.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/26/13 10:32 AM

Just the term "cheap trick" creates impressions, even if unintended.

BTW, Grieg was hardly the only 19th century composer who used modulations quite a bit.

Who is this about?

Quote:
In his compositions, &&&&&&& showed a talent and a penchant for frequent, graceful modulations of key. Often these modulatory sequences, achieved through a pivot chord or through inflection of a melodic phrase, arrive at harmonically remote keys. Indeed, &&&&&&&'s students report that his most frequent admonition was to always "modulate, modulate."


In fact, according to some accounts ...

Quote:
Debussy fell out with &&&&&&& as a result of the great organ composer's incessant exhortations to modulate. "Mais pourquoi voulez-vous que je module" he asked in exasperation. "Puisque je me trouve très bien dans ce ton-là."
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/26/13 10:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Just the term "cheap trick" creates impressions, even if unintended.


Will no one read what I wrote before misrepresenting it?
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/26/13 08:30 PM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
Originally Posted By: Andy Platt
I'm not sure that I would agree that a well placed modulation is a cheap trick. In fact, a well crafted song that includes that is probably the opposite.


You're misquoting me.


Misunderstood perhaps, misquoted - note sure. You said (paraphrasing) that Grieg used modulations "so much" they seem like a device. And that key changes in pop songs could be effective but can also be considered a cheap shot. Is that not what you said? And, in my opinion, if it's well crafted, it is never a cheap shot however much it could be regarded as such. Just my opinion, though.
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/26/13 08:38 PM

From how I understand Dire Tonic's post, I'll say that I had similar impressions. I first noticed it in my piece. There's a pattern in the music, and in the chords that go with it, and that pattern repeats over and over, "verbatim", simply being modulated unchanging to new keys. Then a B section, doing exactly the same thing, except instead of major - in minor. Instead of descending chromatically, ascending chromatically. ... I looked at other music when I was choosing mine, and saw the same kind of pattern there. Then there was someone who needed help with rhythm or something similar with hers. I printed out the music, played it through, wondered whether it would be equally predictable - it was.

Hey, if a composer can make it work, then why not? But I did see the type of thing mentioned by D.T.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/26/13 08:39 PM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
Originally Posted By: Andy Platt
I'm not sure that I would agree that a well placed modulation is a cheap trick. In fact, a well crafted song that includes that is probably the opposite.


You're misquoting me.
No I get it, you were saying that pop composers who would modulate up half a step and *they* called that a cheap trick. You were simply saying the modulations Grieg did in your composition didn't appear "inspired". But it's hard not to assume that you meant it was a cheap trick for Grieg since you then went on in the same paragraph to talk about pop composers.

Perhaps you can expound a bit on why you don't think Grieg's modulations in your piece were inspired?
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/26/13 08:43 PM

Let's keep in mind that the Lyric Pieces were popular music for normal people to play. They weren't written to give Chopin's or Liszt's Etudes a run for their money. They are also quite short. There is only so much one can do in 12-15 lines of music if you want some coherence and resolution.
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/26/13 11:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Let's keep in mind that the Lyric Pieces were popular music for normal people to play. They weren't written to give Chopin's or Liszt's Etudes a run for their money. They are also quite short. There is only so much one can do in 12-15 lines of music if you want some coherence and resolution.

The pieces that I looked at could easily have been written with some altered things without being made longer. I'm not sure what it means to give Chopin or Liszt "a run for their money" - that sounds like a competition. If written for "normal people" - it is harder to bring something out of very simple music without the skills of a very good musician.
Posted by: Polyphonist

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/26/13 11:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
They weren't written to give Chopin's or Liszt's Etudes a run for their money.

What great works were? wink
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/27/13 01:38 AM

Hava a look at "For dine føtter" ("At your feet"). It changes the key all the time, and modulations often come surprisingly and with great effect. I think this is great music.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/27/13 07:22 AM

Originally Posted By: keystring
Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Let's keep in mind that the Lyric Pieces were popular music for normal people to play. They weren't written to give Chopin's or Liszt's Etudes a run for their money. They are also quite short. There is only so much one can do in 12-15 lines of music if you want some coherence and resolution.

The pieces that I looked at could easily have been written with some altered things without being made longer. I'm not sure what it means to give Chopin or Liszt "a run for their money" - that sounds like a competition. If written for "normal people" - it is harder to bring something out of very simple music without the skills of a very good musician.
I have not done any reading up on Grieg's life or what scholars have said about these Lyric pieces, so what I have to say is based on what little I know about him and of the music I've heard. It does sound to me like he was making them accessible to amateur pianists (as opposed to writing concert pieces). I've heard his concerto and played through some of it, so I know he certainly is capable of writing technically demanding pieces on par with other great composers. And not to say these pieces aren't demanding in their own way, because I have some big technical challenges in mine that will take weeks to work out.

Also, they appear to be very reflective of the folk music in Norway - not that I know what it sounds like, but these pieces have quite a folksy sound to them. I don't know if Grieg was an ethnomusicologist (I think that practice came later with Bartok and Kodaly), but perhaps Norwegian folk music has this characteristic of changing keys a lot? In my 2nd unofficial piece (71/5 Halling), there's not much by way of traditional modulations in the sense of a series of chord progressions gradually getting you to a new tonal center, but more simply shifting to a new key and repeating material there. Due to the "unsophisticated" nature of these tonal shifts, one may assume this is more a Norwegian folk music thing.

Anyone from Norway have thoughts on this?
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/27/13 09:39 AM

You have hit on two important things.

When I said "normal people" and "not giving Liszt Etudes a run," you said "accessible to amateur pianists." [And no, keystring, I was not talking about a competition among composers ... frown ]. Grieg's work was quite popular in the UK across the North Sea precisely because normal people could aspire to play it at home in the parlor. It was truly pop music, and this is not a criticism of it.

Secondly, a huge percentage of this stuff is indeed folk music and/or inspired by it. This was the time that "national music" was developing, and Grieg was a champion of that. Think of "The Five" in Russia at around the same time. Or Smetana, Dvorak and Janacek in Prague. Albeniz and Granados in Spain. The list is long (and includes Chopin from the previous generation).
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/27/13 12:45 PM

Which does not change the fact that the music I'm looking at is formulaic. The same thing is transposed from key to key. And this does not make it easier for the amateur to play, because it takes more skill to try to squeeze something out of it so it doesn't sound redundant. Maybe this music was Grieg's bread and butter. But he had the skill to pull it off.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/28/13 02:55 AM

The cheap trick jibe was directed squarely at the typical pop song key change. I was careful enough (I thought!) to put a full stop before absolving Grieg of the same chicanery -
Quote:
I certainly wouldn’t accuse Grieg of that [cheap trick] - he at least does it with finesse and some of his music is sublime

- I’d be hard put to make it any clearer.


Ganddalf offers a perfect example. In At Your Feet he uses modulation extensively but it's inspired and beautiful (which is why I chose it as my second piece – now I fully expect to have it confiscated from me!). In some other pieces I fancy I hear a ‘process’ at work – always effected with style, often clever, but more craft than art.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/28/13 04:37 AM

Grieg definitely was an ethnomusicologist. He spent much time listening to fiddlers, singers and people who used other traditional instruments. He collected a lot of folk tunes, and has also made quite a lot of transcritpions for the piano.

Here's an example of traditional Norwegian music played on the Hardanger fiddle.

http://youtu.be/wFAogFZIQ_I

Not many modulations here. A characteristic of the Hardanger fiddle is the presence of four sub-strings that are not touched by the bow, but adds to the harmonic spectrum. Not all people like the sound of it, and it takes some time to really understand this music. Anyhow this kind of music was one important source of inspiraion for Grieg.

You may also notice that this piece actually uses the Lydian modal scale. This is quite characteristic for Norwegian folk music, and also quite obvious in some of Grieg's music.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/28/13 04:43 AM

One more comment about the Hardanger fiddle:

People who don't care much about the fiddle say that the strings of the ordinary fiddle are made from the intenstines of a cat. For the Hardanger fiddle they are using the whole cat. grin
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/28/13 05:18 AM

Lol! I suppose that's after rigor mortis has set in. Would the tail be the handle? And what do they do about a case to fit everything in?

Thanks for the hardanger link - that's a great sound, intricate. I hear some elements of that in what I take to be Irish and Scottish fiddle music - Cajun fiddle too although it's much more basic. I suspect some of those similaries arise out the the physical, playable aspects of the instrument rather than itinerant musicians crossing the globe, infecting each others' ideas. Maybe a bit of both?
Posted by: ragnhildK

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/28/13 08:05 AM

Tere is no doubt that Grieg was inspired by local folk music, and the titles "Gangar", "Springar" og Halling" refers to Norwegian folk dances traditionally performed by fiddle or Hardanger fiddle.

But I would like to choose for my second choice a piece that is a bit more "impressionistic" - Liten Fugl opus 43 no 4. As far as I can see there has not been any battle over this one so far smile

Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/28/13 10:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Grieg definitely was an ethnomusicologist. He spent much time listening to fiddlers, singers and people who used other traditional instruments. He collected a lot of folk tunes, and has also made quite a lot of transcritpions for the piano.

Here's an example of traditional Norwegian music played on the Hardanger fiddle.

I found another - this fiddler really brings out the attributes of the instrument. (enjoyable)
Haakon Solas - playing Hardanger fiddle
Thank you for introducing us to this instrument, and more about Grieg.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/28/13 11:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Grieg definitely was an ethnomusicologist. He spent much time listening to fiddlers, singers and people who used other traditional instruments. He collected a lot of folk tunes, and has also made quite a lot of transcritpions for the piano.

Here's an example of traditional Norwegian music played on the Hardanger fiddle.

http://youtu.be/wFAogFZIQ_I

Not many modulations here. A characteristic of the Hardanger fiddle is the presence of four sub-strings that are not touched by the bow, but adds to the harmonic spectrum. Not all people like the sound of it, and it takes some time to really understand this music. Anyhow this kind of music was one important source of inspiraion for Grieg.

You may also notice that this piece actually uses the Lydian modal scale. This is quite characteristic for Norwegian folk music, and also quite obvious in some of Grieg's music.
OK, this helps a LOT with understanding my pieces! Both of them have ostinati in 5ths as well as a lot of parallel 5ths going on. I actually like the sound of this fiddle, although the lady playing is tapping her foot very slowly to a totally different beat, I can't tell if that's supposed to be like that or a bad habit. wink
Posted by: jotur

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/28/13 12:12 PM

Thanks for posting the Hardingfele!

I think the fiddler was right on the beat laugh I dance to music like this, but some of it is, um, obscure, until one gets used to it. It's traditional for the fiddler to tap their foot so the dancers can hear, tho I'm sure long-time dancers probably don't need it. But I remember, when I first started, a friend of mine and I never did figure out if one piece was in 4/4 or 3/4 laugh But I love this music. There is Scandinavian dancing here in Santa Fe, but unfortunately for me it's on the same night as other dancing I do frown so I don't go any more. It's also turning dancing, and some times if my allergies are bad I get nauseous. But it's wonderful dancing.

Cathy
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/29/13 01:41 PM

Maybe slightly off topic, but I would like to share with you an example of a short symphonic piece based on a Norwegian folk tune. It is written by an English composer, Frederick Delius and has the title "On hearing the first Cuckoo in Spring". Grieg also made an arrangement of this melody, and if I'm not completely wrong the title is "Kveld ved Olatjønna" ("Evening at the Ola pond", where Ola is a very traditional Norwegian boy's name). Unfortunately I couldn't find a link to Grieg's version, but here is the beautiful piece of Delius who spent quite a lot of time in Norway.

http://youtu.be/lTDKa64DRgQ
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/29/13 02:19 PM

For those interested in more about Grieg's music I should also mention that he definitely mastered the short form better than extensive works, the piano concerto being the exception verifying the rule. He wrote a large number of songs for solo voice plus piano. Many of them are real masterpieces, but probably not so well known outside Norway as the text often is in Norwegian (although some of them also have text translated to German).

I have been lucky enough to do the piano part of quite a few of them. Unfortunately I have no recordings of these performances, but I give you a few examples of professional performances.

"Til våren" ("To Spring") where the piano part has been transcribed for orchestra:

http://youtu.be/H518yDjQw1c

"Jeg elsker deg" (Do I need to traslate it?)

http://youtu.be/psXoVpESlhc

"Ved gjætle-bekken" (Don't know how to translate it) This is the last song in the cycle "Haugtussa". This is formally more advaced than many of the other songs. Just notice how Grieg develops the simple theme!

http://youtu.be/1Uxkqqy9xbY
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/29/13 02:48 PM

Curious that you should mention this piece, Ganddalf, (first cuckoo) - I've known it since my childhood and bought the score during my early teens - I was completely captivated by the lush and unusual harmonies. I could never quite understand how an englishman came to have such a strange name.

Ken Russell, before he became a mainstream film-maker, did a series of biopics and one of these was devoted to Delius and his relationship with Percy Grainger - it can be found on youtube in 5 parts under the heading 'Ken Russell - Delius - Song of Summer (1968)'. I'd strongly recommend it...

(just realised it wasn't Grainger but Eric Fenby who was responsible for draughting out Delius's scores).
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/29/13 03:11 PM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic

Ken Russell, before he became a mainstream film-maker, did a series of biopics and one of these was devoted to Delius and his relationship with Percy Grainger - it can be found on youtube in 5 parts under the heading 'Ken Russell - Delius - Song of Summer (1968)'. I'd strongly recommend it...

(just realised it wasn't Grainger but Eric Fenby who was responsible for draughting out Delius's scores).


I watched that program on Norwegan television, and it must have been shortly after it was produced. That was my first introduction to Delius, and it made such an impression that I still remember quite a lot of it.
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/31/13 02:08 AM

Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
I tried Puck. Not bad. The patterns are very logically laid out. My fingering works. I won't start this until August. The Summer xxxx bag song (Summer's Eve) is beautiful, short and sweet. I just read through and put fingerings. I will wait to start this until one month before.


I wasn't around in the last week, so this is a little late, but I must say I laughed really hard when I read this wink

I also liked the discussion on the Hardanger fiddle, except for the fact that now I want one because they look really cool.

On ebay, someone calls them called "fancy violins."


Anyway, I need to stop fantasizing about fiddles and work on Arietta. Measures 12 and 22 keep throwing me off timing wise.
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/31/13 06:48 AM

Please put me down for 43#2 as a second piece if its still open. I'm enjoying the Grieg and finding the lyric pieces more accessible than the waltz I've done before. Really looking forward to hearing all of you play.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/02/13 01:47 PM

By George, I think I've got it. Yes, these pieces are quite accessible for the true amateurs among us!

The formulaic attributes of my piece (Halling from Op. 38) offer signposts for memorization. Two bars of this, then two bars of that. Then repeat, one octave below. Then a new four bar theme. Simple transition and then back to the original two bars of this and two bars of that. Slight variation on to the conclusion. Simple and elegant folk music.
Posted by: SwissMS

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/02/13 02:29 PM

Yes, I agree! My first choice, 38 3 Melody was easy to memorize, because it repeats the same thing three times with slight variations. It is in the polishing stage.

I would like to change my second choice to Valse Impromptu 47 1, instead of Elegy. It is a bit more challenging, but seems doable. It also repeats in a ABABA pattern and is pretty fun. It sounds like sprites in the forest to me.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/02/13 08:36 PM

I haven't waded through all the pages of the thread, so I don't recall seeing any notice concerning the optimal type of recording to submit. Must it be audio only, or can we post a video? I don't have high-powered audio recording equipment. My best stuff comes with video attached smile (zoom or SLR camera).
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/02/13 08:39 PM

Actually the reverse: you must post a video, preferably (or maybe required) to youtube. If you only knew how to create audio, then help can be provided for adding video to it.

Once you have made your recording, send the link to Rostosky. He will post them all when the recital opens.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/02/13 09:39 PM

Ok, sounds easy enough.
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/02/13 10:23 PM

In bar 67 Peace of the Woods (71/4) there is a note that is 6 leger lines above the staff in the treble clef. (so that the leger line cuts through the middle of the note). This note (which follows an F in the preceding bar) is a D right?

When I listen to some recordings on youtube of this piece, it doesn't sound like people are playing a D there, it sound more like a B. that is why i want to make sure i am reading this note correctly.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/02/13 10:48 PM

4 leger lines is G (yay, flute playing), so, yes, 6 leger lines is D.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/03/13 03:39 AM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
4 leger lines is G (yay, flute playing), so, yes, 6 leger lines is D.



Fun isn't it?
My brain works the other end of the scale and lower leger line --- (yay, bass clarinet playing!) smile

Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/03/13 08:12 AM

Yes, my son plays flute/piccolo/whistle, and when I look at some of his music I just shake my head in dismay. Reading that stuff is just too much work ... grin
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/03/13 08:45 AM

I still have to count them out and then "memorize" for the piece. They don't stick in my brain. Ledger lines always make it more challenging except for your flute and clarinet players.
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/03/13 02:58 PM

Woohoo, I just played my piece (op. 54 no. 6 - Bell Ringing) from memory without major hesitations! I think it lasted 8-9 minutes instead of the regular 4, but well... I should be able to record it by September grin

I was afraid of the fact that it's all very similar but not exactly the same, with different starting points and intervals for each section... but I'm definitely getting there. Some more work on dynamics and the final chords and I should be fine smile
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/03/13 06:14 PM

Whoohoo for you sinophilia...you make me realize I better get moving on mine. Naturally mine won't be memorized (well sorta but not without the sheet music crutch).
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/03/13 07:06 PM

I did it, I did it, I did it!!! Made my MP3 file of my Grieg piece!!!! I'm pretty satisfied with the recording I have. I'm performing the piece on Wednesday this week. I'm hoping PianoStudent88 will figure out Movie Maker and make my YouTube video for me. Yes, I'm bad. I admit it. I'm terrible with this techno stuff!!!
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/03/13 08:06 PM

Well, surprise of all surprises, I made a YouTube video myself!!! Again, for whatever reason the audio seems slower than what I played. And pictures could have been better. But when the time comes for people to see it, remember it was my very first effort.
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/03/13 08:55 PM

Here we are working hard to perfect our music and sometimes the biggest thrill is getting the stupid technology figured out. Good for you dynamobt.
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/03/13 09:11 PM

Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
Here we are working hard to perfect our music and sometimes the biggest thrill is getting the stupid technology figured out. Good for you dynamobt.


YouTube even sent me a congratulatory e-mail on the occassion of posting my very first YouTube video!

And I will say again, it's rough. The stupid audio consistently seems slower than what I'm playing in real time. I don't know how to fix that. And now that I put a few pictures to the audio, I see those could have been much better too. However, the main thing is that I have something to submit AT ALL. It wasn't so long ago, I had no idea how to record either. So, I have come from the techno Dark Ages into the Light!!!
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/03/13 09:18 PM

dynamobt, congratulations!
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/05/13 07:51 AM

Rossy, Dipsy, could you please switch round my first and second choice for the Grieg recital. 'At your feet', 68,3, is so achingly beautiful it has to be my first choice now. That puts 57,1 Vanished Days, as my reserve piece...many thanks.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/05/13 07:59 AM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
Rossy, Dipsy, could you please switch round my first and second choice for the Grieg recital. 'At your feet', 68,3, is so achingly beautiful it has to be my first choice now. That puts 57,1 Vanished Days, as my reserve piece...many thanks.


I fully understand your decision. "At your feet" is a most beautiful piece.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/05/13 08:35 AM

I couldn't resist it, Ganddalf. I heard it for the first time played by Emil Gilels and was blown away. Up until now I'd left it on the back burner half expecting someone to pick it up as a main piece. When I ran through it very roughly a couple of times today I realised I didn't want to risk losing the opportunity.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/05/13 08:50 AM

So are we selecting official 2nd pieces yet?
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/05/13 09:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
So are we selecting official 2nd pieces yet?


I'm assuming for the moment it's a free-for-all so we can't yet lay absolute claim to a second piece. Rossy, what's your plan?
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/05/13 09:18 AM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
So are we selecting official 2nd pieces yet?


I'm assuming for the moment it's a free-for-all so we can't yet lay absolute claim to a second piece. Rossy, what's your plan?


I was wondering the same thing. Seems to me that we've reached a reasonable point where anyone who will join, has joined, and we can open things up to seconds or even thirds!
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/05/13 09:21 AM

Hey, do you know which one is good for offertory or communion music. During the summer choir is given time off in our church. Instead we provide piano music. Due to extreme heat, we only have small number of congregating during the summer, say 80 vs. 300. I am asked to play either offertory or communion. It has to be short (2 pages) since the line is short. I currently have three such pieces in my repartore. So I would like to learn select those pieces to learn for Grieg recital too if there's a good one. I'm willing to change my pieces if you have good suggestions. Thank you in advance.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/05/13 10:03 AM

Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Hey, do you know which one is good for offertory or communion music. During the summer choir is given time off in our church. Instead we provide piano music. Due to extreme heat, we only have small number of congregating during the summer, say 80 vs. 300. I am asked to play either offertory or communion. It has to be short (2 pages) since the line is short. I currently have three such pieces in my repartore. So I would like to learn select those pieces to learn for Grieg recital too if there's a good one. I'm willing to change my pieces if you have good suggestions. Thank you in advance.


I usually use Bach or Mendelssohn pieces for such purposes, but certainly you can use one of the more contemplative Grieg compositions as well. My first thought is "I balladetone", Op 65/5. It isn't too difficult and not too long. It is even possible to skip the repetition (or repeat once more if needed). Just a suggestion.
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/05/13 10:53 AM

Ganddalf - thank you for the suggestion. I looked at 65/5, it looks perfect but, alas, It is taken by Rupak. So I will look for other pieces. Please let me know (may be PM more appropriate?) if you can recommend good pieces for this purpose including other composers. Thank you.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/05/13 11:51 AM

FarmGirl,

I thought perhaps you could learn op 65/5 even without using it as your Grieg recital piece. Anyhow, I'll send you a PM with some suggestions, not only Grieg pieces.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/08/13 11:29 AM

I think it is great that some folks are ready to sign on for a second piece!

I have my book with the whole collection - and I have written the names of all the performers in the table of contents beside each piece. I've got to do some updates smile

When I was looking at the book with my teacher for summer "homework", he thought it was quite fun to see the evidence of the e-cital efforts.

I have a feeling he thinks it is a bit odd for me to participate in on-line recitals, but at the same time he recognizes that I don't have any real opportunities "live" (not ones I'm comfortable with such as playing with elementary and middle school kids...) - and I'm very pleased that he takes my participation very seriously.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/09/13 11:05 AM

hello everyone! Its been lovely and sunny here for several days and it has seemed a crime to not take advantage of the great weather here in Wales, because this may be the only summer weather we get!

So, its been a while but... here's the updated list

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINITALY.
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance);;;;PIANO DAD
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)


Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling;; CARLOS88
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days) DIRE TONIC
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet): NILUH01
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward):


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet): DIRE TONIC
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle): CAREY
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.


And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Saranoya (12.7)
Ladychen (38.4)
Dipsy (38.7)
wisebuff (43.2)
Beric (43.6)
SwissMS (47.1)
Peterws (47.6)
dire tonic (57.1)
niluh01 (62.1)
PianoStudent88 (65.3)
Limefriday (71.1)
FARMGIRL (71.2)
SamS (71.3)
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/09/13 12:11 PM

- hi Dipsy, glad you got the sun at last.

You've made the changes as requested but you're showing me as claiming 57,1 (vanished days) as my main piece and reserve also. You just need to remove my name against that piece in the main listing.

cheers!
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/09/13 03:02 PM

OK, I threw down an acceptable take of Halling from Op. 38. Are we supposed to post in September roughly all at once? That would seem to make some sense. Although, if I call it done I won't torture myself polishing up the rough edges. smile

Hmmm. Maybe I should grab another piece while they last! I see that a number of people are staking a claim on two.

My son, BTW, might work up some unloved and unclaimed piece when he is home in August. He just left for Iceland today. Maybe he will come back Norse inspired. grin
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/09/13 03:06 PM

Piano Dad, you can send your link to Rostosky any time you want. He then posts them in opus order in September.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/10/13 03:43 PM

Thanks for pointing that out, dire tonic. The corrected list is as follows:


OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINITALY.
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance);;;;PIANO DAD
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)


Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling;; CARLOS88
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet): NILUH01
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward):


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet): DIRE TONIC
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle): CAREY
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.


And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Saranoya (12.7)
Ladychen (38.4)
Dipsy (38.7)
wisebuff (43.2)
Beric (43.6)
SwissMS (47.1)
Peterws (47.6)
dire tonic (57.1)
niluh01 (62.1)
PianoStudent88 (65.3)
Limefriday (71.1)
FARMGIRL (71.2)
SamS (71.3)
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/11/13 09:57 PM

Thanks PianoStudent88 for the help with the leger lines. I'm going with the D then. smile I also play the lowest B on the keyboard and the highest F# in this piece so it is quite the experience that way!
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/12/13 01:14 PM

Dipsy,

You have LadyChen down for 38 no. 4 as her second choice if no one takes it. Alas, I'm signed up for 38 no. 4 already.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/12/13 01:58 PM

Dipsy, another little correction - you have me down with a second choice of 71/3, but I gave that away to FarmGirl.

Sam
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/12/13 02:54 PM

And I believe that RagnhildK switched from 57/6 to 43/4 (Vesle fuglen).

Moreover I have been thinking about a second choice for myself: Op.47 no.2 - "Albumblad".
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/12/13 09:02 PM

Well, let me see if I can work up the waltz, Op. 38 no. 7, as my number II piece, if no one else takes it.

Edit: Ooops, scratch that. I see that Dipsy has dips (pun intended) on that piece.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/16/13 10:53 AM

whoops again! Its good to know that some of you are on your toes, and so...

Here's the latest list. To help prevent further mistakes, please can you all check that the list is accurate about your selection, just in case.
(Ganddalf - I've put you down for 47.2 as a second choice, even though you've not said you're definitely taking it. Let me know if you're not happy with that).

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINITALY.
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance);;;;PIANO DAD
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)


Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird) RAGNHILD
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling;; CARLOS88
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness).


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet): NILUH01
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward):


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet): DIRE TONIC
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle): CAREY
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.


And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Saranoya (12.7)
PianoDad (38.4)
Dipsy (38.7)
wisebuff (43.2)
Beric (43.6)
SwissMS (47.1)
Ganddalf (47.2)
Peterws (47.6)
dire tonic (57.1)
niluh01 (62.1)
PianoStudent88 (65.3)
Limefriday (71.1)
Farmgirl (71.3)
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/16/13 02:44 PM

Yes, I take 47/2 as a second choice. Unless somebody else comes in and really wants it.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/16/13 03:04 PM

Thanks for clarifying that Ganddalf.
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/16/13 03:12 PM

I hope someone does op 62 no 2... I listened to that for the first time this morning and I really liked it!

I want more time and talent. That's not asking for much, is it? grin
Posted by: ragnhildK

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/19/13 11:49 AM

I am sorry, I guess I have not made myself clear. I would still like op 57 no 6 "Hjemve" as my first choice, and then I ask for op 43 no 4 "Liten fugl" if I still can have a second choice smile

Ragnhild
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/19/13 09:04 PM

38.4 isn't my second choice. It's my main piece. I don't have a second choice yet.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/21/13 03:26 PM

whoops again - this is all getting a bit much for me! Rupak, your idea of a database which people update themselves has begun to look very attractive again - (only joking)!

mmm Ragnhild Ist choice:57,6 and 2nd: 43,4, and PianoDad 38,4 for FIRST, not both choices (!)... here we go again...

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINITALY.
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance);;;;PIANO DAD
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)


Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling;; CARLOS88
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days)
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness) Ragnhild


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet): NILUH01
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward):


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet): DIRE TONIC
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle): CAREY
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.


And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Saranoya (12.7)
Dipsy (38.7)
wisebuff (43.2)
Ragnhild (43.4)
Beric (43.6)
SwissMS (47.1)
Ganddalf (47.2)
Peterws (47.6)
dire tonic (57.1)
niluh01 (62.1)
PianoStudent88 (65.3)
Limefriday (71.1)
Farmgirl (71.3)
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/21/13 04:32 PM

Can I be a real pain and ask that my forum name be spelled correctly? I know it's a minor detail.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/21/13 06:15 PM

It is.

However, you are right and I'll correct it next time I update
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/26/13 09:50 AM

Grieg update!

Op 65/1: From the Early Years - this is going pretty well. I'm still working on refining the 16th notes at the end in the RH so that they create more an atmosphere than be individual notes that you hear. The big octaves in the LH can sometimes tense up if I'm not careful too. The fast middle section is getting better, I just have to play it from memory I think.

There is one spot that I'm having trouble playing up to tempo without really tensing up, and I wonder if anyone has ideas on what I can do. It's in m. 81, 87, 93, and 99. It's all th same figure, there's the triplets in the RH with some held notes:

This ex. is in D major.







The problem I'm having is the first set of triplets has to be done with fingers 3 and 5 with 5 on a sharp . Up to tempo this is really tough! Any suggestions? I'd rather not drop the lower notes.

edited to add: for some reason my images aren't posting correctly. If you want to see the whole page, it is found on page 5, the last measure in the first line, and first measure in the 3rd line:
Grieg op 65
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/26/13 10:24 AM

phew! rather you than me! What's your tempo on this?

Off the top of my head, in desparation, how about a re-write? (looking at the first of those bars)...

Forget the RH F# half-note, that leaves you working 2,3,4 for the melody instead of 3,4,5.

Or, if you can't live without the F# you could play the LH up an octave but play a 10th interval instead (B,D) then you can ditch the D in the RH, now with the thumb on F# leaving you again with the easier(?) 2,3,4 fingering?. You can make that easier still by leaving the LH thumb on D for the full 3 beats bringing the pinky UP to the higher E on beat 3 that gives you almost total freedom for the RH in the tail of that bar.

possibly?
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/26/13 10:52 AM

I'm listed for 65.3 (Melancholy) as a second choice and I do love the piece and will continue working on it, but want to request that for now I be delisted as having any second choice request on it, in case that's keeping someone else from requesting it. I feel that anyone else will do a better job at this than I. If I do end up doing it (which I will do if noone prefers to claim it) it will be at a veeeeery stately tempo, and the most minimal stretto effects possible while at least trying to honor "accel e cresc" in spirit if not in execution.

My primary piece 57.3 (Illusion) is coming along although I despair of ever getting the LH voicing balanced for when the melody descends into the top note of the LH chords. And I'm not sure I can make it properly allegretto. Plus I got my piano tuned and that did perk the sound right up, but my piano is drifting out of that perfect tuning and now it sounds blah again. But I'm getting a Dampp Chaser installed and then another tuning this summer so maybe I will have a lovely tuning in place again for when I come to record this.

If I try to play it really reflecting on the sound, it becomes very much slower than Allegretto.

I wonder if maybe there's a lightness and lift on the sixteenth notes that is the thing I should be focusing on. I just can't get it to sound like anything really interesting yet. Maybe I should try just singing it a lot, and see what inflections my voice finds to take with it, and only then transfer those inflections to the piano.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/26/13 11:07 AM

I'm taking it at around 170 bpm for quarter note, maybe slightly less if I can't manage this well.

I tried your suggestion, but my hands are small so a 10th is not really possible, but I don't like losing the bass here. Actually, now that I play it again, I think the problem lies in going to the last triplet from the first one. Since the first triplet ends on C# finger 5, then the net triplet starts on finger 4 on a B natural, and having to play the D on the last triplet with the RH thumb means I can't get away with playing higher on the B to get it closer to the C#. It's just not ergonomically designed for my little macaroni pinkies! However, if I really try to play as high on the white keys as possible I think that helps.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/26/13 11:16 AM

No, well my hands aren't large so I'm on fingertips for the 10th anyway. I know what you mean about losing the punch of the lower bass. How about sacrificing half of that by keeping beat 1 of the LH where it is and playing beat 3 spanning the 7th interval on the higher E?

...the upshot being that you can play that second RH A with the thumb. Really, at that tempo, with a bit of judicious sustain, I don't think you lose a lot by not playing the final RH D on beat 3 so you could play the entire LH as written. Better to play the triplets clean with slightly emptier harmony.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/26/13 11:22 AM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
No, well my hands aren't large so I'm on fingertips for the 10th anyway. I know what you mean about losing the punch of the lower bass. How about sacrificing half of that by keeping beat 1 of the LH where it is and playing beat 3 spanning the 7th interval on the higher E?


Oo, I like that! Beat 3 is less important and you don't really miss the lower octave there, and it's just as easy to get back down to the note on the next measure. I'll try working on this and see if that's better. Thank you!! laugh
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/26/13 09:45 PM

OK, nobody has claimed op. 12 no 6 (Norsk), so I'll start it as a second piece.

If I can't do it, perhaps I'll pass it off to my son when he gets back in August. grin Well, he did say he might try one, and so few are left!
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/27/13 10:13 PM

I see the list hasn't been updated, which is good because after a lovely evening at the piano I would like to keep 65.3 (Melancholy) as my second choice.

Also after playing 65.3 several times through with great drama, I was able to bring that drama to my first choice 57.3 (Illusion) about which I'd been despairing of ever getting it to sound like something, and now it finally does. Sound like something, I mean.

I'm not sure if Grieg is meant to be played with great slatherings of rubato and melodrama, but I like the effect. After I've experimented like this for several weeks, I may try the piece again more simply and see if I find more in it that way by way of contrast.
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/28/13 08:37 AM

So today I did a preliminary recording of some sections - disastrous of course laugh
Most of all I wanted to understand the actual difference between regular audio-in recording and MIDI, which I had never used. I thought the latter wouldn't capture dynamics, pedal and expression, but I was actually quite pleased with the result! The grand piano samples in GarageBand sound very nice smile
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/28/13 08:50 AM

I got a recording I was somewhat happy with the other day of Volksweise (Op 12.5). I decided to listen to one of the YouTube performances I had listened to when picking out the piece. Ugh, back to the piano I trudged!!

Must.Not.Listen.To.Better.Pianists. wink
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/28/13 09:06 AM

I'll be trying out some recording today just to have some takes before I leave for a month. I'll be able to practice in New Mexico, but I'm not sure how much. I'm there to sing opera, so piano practice time will be limited. Hopefully I can maintain the From The Early Years and Halling enough so when I return in August I can get them back up to speed again for another run at recording.

I'm also meeting with a colleague of mine to help out a bit with some tension issues I'm having, hopefully we can meet before I leave. I have determined that Grieg must have had somewhat large hands with all the big chords he likes to use. Unfortunately for me and my little hands, I also like big chords.

Thanks again, Dire Tonic for the advice on what to do with that one section: I've just got to rework that up to tempo but it definitely helps! I have a similar issue with the Halling Op 71/5 that I'm afraid I'll have to not play it quite as it is written. I think in this case I'm going to have to drop some notes, but there's a lot going on , so maybe no one will be able to hear the difference smile
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/28/13 02:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
I have determined that Grieg must have had somewhat large hands with all the big chords he likes to use.

I'm told that he had humungous hands. laugh
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/28/13 06:03 PM

I'm also leaving for a month now, and I'll not have access to a piano while I'm away. I'm also going to have very limited time for polishing and recording when I get back. I'll travel again in September, and need to have the piece(s) recorded by September 1st. But on that date I also have to make a performance as an accompanist, playing Chilcott's Requiem. Need some luck, I guess.
Posted by: IreneAdler

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/28/13 09:21 PM

Well, my teacher wants to pick a different piece for me to work on, c'est la vie! I will relinquish Melody op. 47 no. 3. Maybe three times will be the charm? Perhaps, when the next recital comes along my teacher will finally agree that recital piece is a good piece to study.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/28/13 11:20 PM

Originally Posted By: IreneAdler
Well, my teacher wants to pick a different piece for me to work on, c'est la vie!


You can't work on something for fun besides the "assignment" pieces?

Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/29/13 12:27 PM

Yes, it would be a shame if Irene missed out on taking part. Everyone enjoyed the Mendelssohn so much... so would you like to do another piece instead?

On the other hand, I'm quite chuffed that if a piece is to be dropped, that its this one. It was my second choice, so I'm claiming it back again!!!

Folks, I think its time that we see if we can get the other pieces taken. If you have opted for a second choice, please confirm that you're still happy to do it. And, if you fancy any of the remaining pieces - jump on in!

I'll be putting up a revised list showing 'taken' and 'not taken' in the next day or two. And I'll correct peoples' names at the same time!
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/29/13 01:02 PM

- ok, so I'll go for broke and try for a third piece - 57/5 'She Dances'
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/29/13 02:50 PM

I confirm Berceuse, Op. 38/1, as my second piece.
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/29/13 03:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Originally Posted By: IreneAdler
Well, my teacher wants to pick a different piece for me to work on, c'est la vie!


You can't work on something for fun besides the "assignment" pieces?



I picked an easier Grieg piece just for that reason. Turns out my teacher likes it and keeps wanting me to "bring it" for a lesson. We need to keep these wily teachers in check wink
Posted by: Anne H

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/29/13 10:18 PM

I'm sad that I wasn't around earlier to take part in this, but I can't wait to hear everyone else's renditions. I'm feeling inspired to put some of the Lyric pieces on my study list now thank to all of you.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/29/13 10:39 PM

Anne H, you can still take part! Look through the list of pieces and choose one (or more) that isn't yet claimed by someone. You can also claim pieces that are listed at the bottom as someone's "second choice". We'd love to have you!

You have until September to learn the piece. When you've learned it, record it and post it to YouTube. Then send rostosky a link to the video. He will post the links all together in opus order in September when the recital opens.
Posted by: Anne H

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/29/13 11:05 PM

Hmm...perhaps this is what I need to figure out how to record competently on my new upright? I'd love to take a stab at Opus 71. "Once Upon A Time". I've always loved listening to it and the fast middle section doesn't look quite as intimidating as I thought at first glance.

Thank you for the encouragement! I'm so glad to have found this place.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/29/13 11:34 PM

Oooh, that piece 71.1 looks very interesting! I'll look forward to hearing it.
Posted by: IreneAdler

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/30/13 01:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Originally Posted By: IreneAdler
Well, my teacher wants to pick a different piece for me to work on, c'est la vie!


You can't work on something for fun besides the "assignment" pieces?



Ohh it is not that I do have many other pieces that I am working on for fun, besides my lesson pieces, but when I showed the piece to my teacher he was not keen on it as I had hoped; and I do not believe I am quite to the level where I could learn this piece by myself, so I thought it best to remove my name from the list.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/30/13 07:00 AM

Welcome Anne! and thanks for confirming your second choices ZRTF90 and dire tonic. Please can the rest of you do the same. Later today, I'll put up a list of 'taken' pieces based on the assumption that everyone still wants to do their second choice (where applicable). And do another list of the pieces which no one has chosen as first or second choice.

So to any of you out there who are thinking of dipping your toes in the water - we'd love you to join us! And of course any of you already signed up can think about if you want to take on a third piece ...

Hope with is ok with you all
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/30/13 07:20 AM

Confirming my second choice 65.3.

Trying out pieces to come up with a third or even fourth choice.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/30/13 08:44 AM

My second choice is Halling, 71/5 smile

Found out I had to rework this one as well in one section because the big chords were killing me up to tempo. I don't think you can even tell the extra note is missing though, but that will delay things a bit. On the bright side, it's memorized!
Posted by: Anne H

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/30/13 10:37 PM

I ran through my piece very slowly today and liked it even more upon actually playing it! The only thing I know I'll have issues with is getting the middle section up to tempo (my finger strength/dexterity is still pretty low as I've only been back at this for six months seriously). Anyone have any recommendations for exercises that help with this? Hanon or Czerny? Is there anything less painful/more interesting than those that has come out or are those still the classics to go to?
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/30/13 10:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Anne H
I ran through my piece very slowly today and liked it even more upon actually playing it! The only thing I know I'll have issues with is getting the middle section up to tempo (my finger strength/dexterity is still pretty low as I've only been back at this for six months seriously). Anyone have any recommendations for exercises that help with this? Hanon or Czerny? Is there anything less painful/more interesting than those that has come out or are those still the classics to go to?
Why not make exercises of what you are playing in the piece? I find those to be the best and most effective. Once in a while you need work on trills or something and Hanon is good for that. Until you're ready to try increasing the tempo though, plenty of slow practice now will be very helpful to prepare you.
Posted by: Anne H

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/30/13 10:41 PM

Thank you Morodiene! That's my usual method, so it's nice to hear that it's actually a method and not just me. I'm learning the Ravel Pavane in a similar way, although it's been very slow going so far.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 06/30/13 10:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Anne H
Thank you Morodiene! That's my usual method, so it's nice to hear that it's actually a method and not just me. I'm learning the Ravel Pavane in a similar way, although it's been very slow going so far.
I love that piece, someday I will learn it. I've read through it a few times but I haven't put in the time it needs. Slow is OK smile
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/01/13 05:12 AM

As promised, here is the list of untaken pieces. (I have assumed that people are still doing their second choice pieces, unless they tell me to the contrary)

So lets get them all taken, cos it would be great to be able to do the full set, involving as many people as possible. If you're willing to give it a go, even if you don't think you could do a perfect performance, please consider it. This series of recitals is as much about personal growth and pushing against your 'boundaries' as producing a technically perfect performance (especially for me!). And doing the best you can is another kind of perfection, because no one could be expected to give more than that.

We're a mixed, friendly bunch and very supportive - helping each other out, and sharing each others' difficulties - its all part of the fun! We are from many different countries, different ages, and range from people who work in music for a living to 'dabblers' who just have fun, and want to push themselves a bit, in the company of fellow travellers. Many like to prepare their contribution privately and that's obviously great too.

If you've already chosen one or more pieces, for the time being, I think it only fair that if you reserve one of these 'leftovers', you can only do so provisionally, to give as many people as possible the chance to take part. But anything not taken by the beginning of August will be yours for sure, and anything still left will be up for grabs, first come, first served.

so here we go...

OPUS 12
No 8 : National Song

OPUS 38
No 5 : Spring Dance
No 8 : Canon

OPUS 43
No 6 : To the spring

OPUS 47
No 7 : Elegy

OPUS 54
No 5 : Scherzo

OPUS 62
No 2 : Gratitude
No 3 : French Serenade
No 6 : Homeward

OPUS 65
No 4 : Salon

OPUS 68
No 2 :Grandmother's minuet
No 6 : Melancholy Waltz

OPUS 71
No 2 : Summer Evening
No 6 : Gone

Later, I'll do the list of pieces already assigned - but for now its time to walk the dog and start the day!
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/01/13 05:23 AM

On reading my last post - the bit about it not being vital to have technical perfection...
Beric gave a snort, then said.

' I would like to think that our pieces were worth listening to'



Of course. That too.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/01/13 07:24 AM

Probably the easiest of the remaining pieces is 12/8, the National Song. A slower tempo would work with this, and it's basically some nice chords with a bunch of repetition. So if you are on the fence about taking on one of these, that would be a good choice.

As a second choice, I would like 71/6 - "Gone". It's got some odd chromatic harmonies...

Sam
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/01/13 07:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy

OPUS 71
No 2 : Summer Evening
No 6 : Gone


Dipsy, Gone is my piece and I've been practising it for a month. smile
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/01/13 08:34 AM

Will get in touch with you both keystring and SamS to sort this.
'Gone ' seems a particularly appropriate title doesn't it!

Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/01/13 08:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
Will get in touch with you both keystring and SamS to sort this.



Doesn't look like there's much to sort? "Gone" is clearly assigned to Keystring on the last list you sent out and SamS listed it as second choice anyway.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/01/13 09:12 AM

Right folks - here is the list of 'taken' pieces AS I UNDERSTAND IT. Its a long list - so I'm confident that we'll be able to find 'homes' for the remaining pieces.

PLEASE NOW CHECK YOUR PIECES ARE LISTED CORRECTLY. If I don't hear from you I will assume that you are happy with it. Mistakes not picked up now could cause big problems, and make things very confusing nearer the deadline (recital will be published mid Sept)!

OPUS 12
No 1: Arietta (AimeeO)
No 2: Waltz (Saranoya)
No 3: Watchman's Song (Casinitaly)
No 4: Elve's Dance (LadyChen)
No 5: Popular Melody (AndyPlatt)
No 6: Norwegian Melody (Piano Dad)
No 7: Album Leaf (Saranoya)

OPUS 38
No 1: Berceuse (zrtf90)
No 2: Popular Melody (Wayne33yrs)
No 3: Melody (SwissMS)
No 4: Halling (Piano Dad)
No 6: Elegy (Recaredo)
No 7: Waltz (Dipsy)

OPUS 43
No 1: Butterfly (Beric)
No 2: Solitary Traveller (Wisebuff)
No 3: In My Native Country (Allard)
No 4: Little Bird (RagnHild)
No 5: Erotik (Peterws)

OPUS 47
No I: Valse Impromptu (Swissms)
No 2: Album Leaf (Ganddalf)
No 3: Melody (Dipsy)
No 4: Halling (Carlos88)
No 5: Melancholy (Stumbler)
No 6: Spring Dance (Peterws)

OPUS 54
No 1: Shepherd's Boy (Beric)
No 2: Norwegian March (zrtf90)
No 3: March of the Trolls (Rostosky)
No 4: Notturno (Dipsy)
No 6: Bell Ringing (Sinophilia)

OPUS 57
No 1: Vanished Days (dire tonic)
No 2: Gade (Sam S)
No 3: Illusion (PianoStudent88)
No 4: Secret (Beric)
No 5: She Dances (Dire Tonic)
No 6: Home Sickness (RagnHild)

OPUS 62
No 1: Sylph (niluh01)
No 4: Brooklet (niluh01)
No 5: Phantom (Pavel.K)

OPUS 65
No 1: From Early Years (Morodiene)
No 2: Peasant's Song (Wisebuff)
No 3: Melancholy (PianoStudent88)
No 5: Ballad (Rupak Bhattacharya)
No 6: Wedding Day at Troldhauen (Ganddalf)

OPUS 68
No 1: Sailor's Song (ElleC)
No 3: At Your Feet (dire tonic)
No 4: Evening in the mountains (Limefriday)
No 5: Cradle Song (Carey)

OPUS 71
No 1: Once upon a time (AnneH)
No 3: Puck (Farmgirl)
No 4: Peace of the Woods (Valencia)
No 5: Halling (Morodiene)
No 6: Gone (Keystring?)
No 7: Remembrances (dynamobt)
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/01/13 09:19 AM

Sorry for the confusion - I though 71/6 was available - no problem.

Sam
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/01/13 09:29 AM

It was my fault Sam - sorry to mess you about and thanks for relinquishing it.
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/01/13 10:01 AM

Thanks Sam. And thank you Dipsy for your hard work. That's quite a task to take on.
Posted by: Anne H

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/06/13 07:16 PM

There's no metronome marking in my Grieg edition, so I'm trying to figure out the speed to shoot for in the middle section of my piece. It's marked "allegro brioso", which is more of a mood indicator than a time one. Does anyone have any recommendations?
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/07/13 11:26 AM

Quote:
Does anyone have any recommendations?


Not about that specific spot in your piece. My edition has no metronome markings either, which is fine by me. That tells me a range of opinion is possible. Before I settle on a tempo, I go online (or to my CD) to see what tempi the pros use. When I see some variance there as well, I'm comfortable picking a pace that works for me.

Ideally, I want to be in the range of tempi I hear in those professional recordings. On the other hand, I happen to have chosen two quite speedy little pieces. So "close" is good enough. smile
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/07/13 12:01 PM

Time is the challenge in my piece, even though it's slow or especially since it's slow. It changes moods in the middle, and anyone I heard whose playing I like speeds up somewhat in the middle section right after a ritardando, moving right into it. The challenge is to keep a pulse while not being metronomic. It seems to be a "Grieg thing". laugh

Anne, yours has a new mood in the middle too. I just listened to this version to get a sense of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCLwtanrdW4

I have a feeling that if you tap out the underlying pulse while listening, you'll find the middle has pretty well the same one, but Grieg has written faster notes. (What I mean is, supposing you have 4/4 time that you're playing at 120 - it will sound slower if it's mostly half notes, but faster if it has mostly 16th notes - that kind of "faster notes".) He's going for mood with the "allegro brioso" but he also creates it through the rhythm he has written in --- this "diddlediddle dee" thing.

As Piano*Dad said, listening to different good players can give you some idea about their interpretation - that's not imitation but getting an idea.



(P.S. I was hoping to find a recording of Andsnes playing it. His playing is brilliant, and also very clear and transparent of understanding some of what he does.)
Posted by: Anne H

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/07/13 08:27 PM

Thank you Keystring! Reading through your response and then going back to the piano, I'm inclined to agree. I'd never thought of it that way before! I have listened to lots of recordings on Spotify, but I'll admit that now they all seem in the realm of "Eek, that sounds intimidatingly fast."
Posted by: AZ_Astro

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/08/13 12:03 AM

I adore Grieg and I noticed this thread. What do you mean by recital?

I am learning: Opus 12, No 3. Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth)

I haven't yet read all 18 pages of this thread. Is there a timeframe or something to finish the pieces? Are you collecting mp3s?

Thanks!
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/08/13 02:43 AM

Originally Posted By: AZ_Astro
I adore Grieg and I noticed this thread. What do you mean by recital?

I am learning: Opus 12, No 3. Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth)

I haven't yet read all 18 pages of this thread. Is there a timeframe or something to finish the pieces? Are you collecting mp3s?

Thanks!


There are different kinds of recitals here in the Adult Beginner Forum (ABF) --- we have quarterly recitals in Feb, May, August and November where members submit mp3 files and (if they want) videos. Open to all, play whatever takes your fancy. The recitals open for submissions on the 1st of the month and the recital is open for listening on the 15th. I believe the last one was the 30th!

The Grieg recital - like the Glass, Satie and Mendelssohn - are "themed recitals" where a body of works by a specific composer is selected, a list is posted, and folks sign up for a specific piece. It is still open to all but on a first come first served basis. There was a scramble at the start for the "easier" pieces, I can tell you!

If you go up a few posts you will see the latest version of the sign up sheet. I've already signed on for the Watchmans Song -sorry frown . We don't have duplicate performances of the same piece in the themed recitals.

The launch date for this recital should be 15 September, and if I have understood correctly, performances are to be video, not mp3.
Posted by: AZ_Astro

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/08/13 03:11 AM

Ok, I see now. Thanks for the explanation.

Good luck with the Watchman's Song...

Regards,

Astro
Posted by: AZ_Astro

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/08/13 03:22 AM

I just went and watched one of the videos of the excellent videos from the Satie recital. Great job and a neat idea. I really enjoyed it.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/08/13 10:39 PM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly
There was a scramble at the start for the "easier" pieces, I can tell you!


No wonder I got stuck … wink

Actually, quite a number of the harder ones got gobbled up quickly as well!
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/08/13 10:42 PM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly

The launch date for this recital should be 15 September, and if I have understood correctly, performances are to be video, not mp3.

We can twin an mp3 with some kind of picture or slideshow on Youtube. I wouldn't be able to do video. I just bought a cable that hooks up the piano to the computer. Previously I used a microphone which produced a lot of distortion.
Posted by: AZ_Astro

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/08/13 11:50 PM

As Sam S pointed out, the only remaining "easy" piece is Op. 12 No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song), and I think I might be able to do that. But I have a few questions.

So - we send video files to someone by Sept 15, is that right?

What format is recommended for the video file? .mov? .mp4?

I have Ivory 2 loaded on my pc and it will record from my midi keyboard. Is that satisfactory? Or do I need to set up a microphone to record off the acoustic?

The recordings that I saw on the Satie recital thread seemed to show only the hands. Is that what is desired?

Anything else I might need to know?

I'm pretty sure that the piece will take me the better part of a month to learn and partially master. I am still pretty new to the piano so this would be a challenge for me!

Suggestions solicited.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/09/13 02:29 AM

Someone else can tell you about the video format, but as far as content goes, you can film just your hands (most folks like to keep their anonymity)or more if you want. Some make (as was suggested above) a slide show with other pictures.

It is up to you. I've just used windows movie maker in the past --- seems to me it is basically whatever you can load up to youtube.

Glad you found a piece you want to tackle!
Posted by: Allard

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/09/13 02:52 AM

Windows Movie Maker, as well as iMovie if you're more of an Apple person, have options to publish on YouTube. You don't have to worry too much about formats. I don't know about the more advanced video editing software, but you can probably find out about video formats on YouTube.

Good luck, one month is quite short to learn and polish a new piece smile
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/09/13 03:45 AM

Originally Posted By: AZ_Astro

So - we send video files to someone by Sept 15, is that right?



No, as already hinted, you need to set up a youtube account if you don't already have one then once you've prepared your video and uploaded it you youtube you need to send the link for that video to either Dipsy or Rostosky.

I believe youtube is very tolerant of video formats so it shouldn't matter what format you choose - or what format your camera chooses for you.
Posted by: Anne H

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/09/13 04:14 AM

AZ, I only started a week ago so we're both a little behind! I intend to make full use of the time until September 15th if I can. :-)
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/09/13 04:26 AM

Welcome AZ Astro! You won't regret joining us - everyone who has taken part before has really enjoyed it.

Though we now have an impressively long list of taken pieces (54), we're not there yet. So here is the current list of the 12 pieces not yet taken (come on folks!). (Later, I'll try to relist the untaken ones alongside youtube clips so you can hear what they sound like if you need help deciding).

UNTAKEN:

OPUS 38
No 5 : Spring Dance
No 8 : Canon

OPUS 43
No 6 : To the spring

OPUS 47
No 7 : Elegy

OPUS 54
No 5 : Scherzo

OPUS 62
No 2 : Gratitude
No 3 : French Serenade
No 6 : Homeward

OPUS 65
No 4 : Salon

OPUS 68
No 2 :Grandmother's minuet
No 6 : Melancholy Waltz

OPUS 71
No 2 : Summer Evening


The list of allocated pieces is:

TAKEN
OPUS 12
No 1: Arietta (AimeeO)
No 2: Waltz (Saranoya)
No 3: Watchman's Song (Casinitaly)
No 4: Elve's Dance (LadyChen)
No 5: Popular Melody (AndyPlatt)
No 6: Norwegian Melody (Piano Dad)
No 7: Album Leaf (Saranoya)
No 8: National Song (AZ Astro)

OPUS 38
No 1: Berceuse (zrtf90)
No 2: Popular Melody (Wayne33yrs)
No 3: Melody (SwissMS)
No 4: Halling (Piano Dad)
No 6: Elegy (Recaredo)
No 7: Waltz (Dipsy)

OPUS 43
No 1: Butterfly (Beric)
No 2: Solitary Traveller (Wisebuff)
No 3: In My Native Country (Allard)
No 4: Little Bird (RagnHild)
No 5: Erotik (Peterws)

OPUS 47
No I: Valse Impromptu (Swissms)
No 2: Album Leaf (Ganddalf)
No 3: Melody (Dipsy)
No 4: Halling (Carlos88)
No 5: Melancholy (Stumbler)
No 6: Spring Dance (Peterws)

OPUS 54
No 1: Shepherd's Boy (Beric)
No 2: Norwegian March (zrtf90)
No 3: March of the Trolls (Rostosky)
No 4: Notturno (Dipsy)
No 6: Bell Ringing (Sinophilia)

OPUS 57
No 1: Vanished Days (dire tonic)
No 2: Gade (Sam S)
No 3: Illusion (PianoStudent88)
No 4: Secret (Beric)
No 5: She Dances (Dire Tonic)
No 6: Home Sickness (RagnHild)

OPUS 62
No 1: Sylph (niluh01)
No 4: Brooklet (niluh01)
No 5: Phantom (Pavel.K)

OPUS 65
No 1: From Early Years (Morodiene)
No 2: Peasant's Song (Wisebuff)
No 3: Melancholy (PianoStudent88)
No 5: Ballad (Rupak Bhattacharya)
No 6: Wedding Day at Troldhauen (Ganddalf)

OPUS 68
No 1: Sailor's Song (ElleC)
No 3: At Your Feet (dire tonic)
No 4: Evening in the mountains (Limefriday)
No 5: Cradle Song (Carey)

OPUS 71
No 1: Once upon a time (AnneH)
No 3: Puck (Farmgirl)
No 4: Peace of the Woods (Valencia)
No 5: Halling (Morodiene)
No 6: Gone (Keystring)
No 7: Remembrances (dynamobt)


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Posted by: yester

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/09/13 04:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
We So here is the current list of the 12 pieces not yet taken (come on folks!).
UNTAKEN:


OPUS 68
No 2 :Grandmother's minuet


well I would like to join and take this one.
I think it's challanging me but I hope I make it.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/09/13 08:43 AM

That's great yester - welcome to our group! I hope you enjoy preparing your piece. Many people prepare their piece privately, but if you want to share any ideas or problems you have about it on this thread, than that's great too!

In my view (and others will have a different views, I'm sure)if your piece wasn't challenging then what would be the point of taking part? I want to grow as a piano player, and choosing a piece I really like, having a deadline, and knowing that if I didn't do it it would let people down, I would not push myself and actually learn it. Of course we do the best we can, but we forgive ourselves and each other if its not perfect, I hope.

Here are the updated lists:

UNTAKEN (11):

OPUS 38
No 5 : Spring Dance
No 8 : Canon

OPUS 43
No 6 : To the spring

OPUS 47
No 7 : Elegy

OPUS 54
No 5 : Scherzo

OPUS 62
No 2 : Gratitude
No 3 : French Serenade
No 6 : Homeward

OPUS 65
No 4 : Salon

OPUS 68
No 6 : Melancholy Waltz

OPUS 71
No 2 : Summer Evening


The list of allocated pieces is:

TAKEN (55)
OPUS 12
No 1: Arietta (AimeeO)
No 2: Waltz (Saranoya)
No 3: Watchman's Song (Casinitaly)
No 4: Elve's Dance (LadyChen)
No 5: Popular Melody (AndyPlatt)
No 6: Norwegian Melody (Piano Dad)
No 7: Album Leaf (Saranoya)
No 8: National Song (AZ Astro)

OPUS 38
No 1: Berceuse (zrtf90)
No 2: Popular Melody (Wayne33yrs)
No 3: Melody (SwissMS)
No 4: Halling (Piano Dad)
No 6: Elegy (Recaredo)
No 7: Waltz (Dipsy)

OPUS 43
No 1: Butterfly (Beric)
No 2: Solitary Traveller (Wisebuff)
No 3: In My Native Country (Allard)
No 4: Little Bird (RagnHild)
No 5: Erotik (Peterws)

OPUS 47
No I: Valse Impromptu (Swissms)
No 2: Album Leaf (Ganddalf)
No 3: Melody (Dipsy)
No 4: Halling (Carlos88)
No 5: Melancholy (Stumbler)
No 6: Spring Dance (Peterws)

OPUS 54
No 1: Shepherd's Boy (Beric)
No 2: Norwegian March (zrtf90)
No 3: March of the Trolls (Rostosky)
No 4: Notturno (Dipsy)
No 6: Bell Ringing (Sinophilia)

OPUS 57
No 1: Vanished Days (dire tonic)
No 2: Gade (Sam S)
No 3: Illusion (PianoStudent88)
No 4: Secret (Beric)
No 5: She Dances (Dire Tonic)
No 6: Home Sickness (RagnHild)

OPUS 62
No 1: Sylph (niluh01)
No 4: Brooklet (niluh01)
No 5: Phantom (Pavel.K)

OPUS 65
No 1: From Early Years (Morodiene)
No 2: Peasant's Song (Wisebuff)
No 3: Melancholy (PianoStudent88)
No 5: Ballad (Rupak Bhattacharya)
No 6: Wedding Day at Troldhauen (Ganddalf)

OPUS 68
No 1: Sailor's Song (ElleC)
No 2: Grandmother's minuet (yester)
No 3: At Your Feet (dire tonic)
No 4: Evening in the mountains (Limefriday)
No 5: Cradle Song (Carey)

OPUS 71
No 1: Once upon a time (AnneH)
No 3: Puck (Farmgirl)
No 4: Peace of the Woods (Valencia)
No 5: Halling (Morodiene)
No 6: Gone (Keystring)
No 7: Remembrances (dynamobt)

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Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/09/13 03:09 PM

I'll take 62/2 "Gratitude" as a second piece. And I am very grateful to get it...

Sam
Posted by: yester

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/09/13 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
That's great yester - welcome to our group! I hope you enjoy preparing your piece. Many people prepare their piece privately, but if you want to share any ideas or problems you have about it on this thread, than that's great too!


that's great, I’m looking forward to share my problems because I am self-taught, no teacher out there to bombard with questions…

Ok, my starting problem: I’m wondering about the right arrangement. I use these imslp-notes: - klick -.

But listening to Walter Giesekings recording - klick - I’m not sure if there are different notes out there…

think Gieseking plays the notes I have linked but when he achieves page 3 of the piece (page 5 of the pdf) he just plays till the third measure in line two (I mean the measure with the dotted whole-note-chord G-major - unfortunately the measures are not numbered).

But then he skips the next eight measures and goes on with the first measure on the penultimate line (marked with “con moto”).

I have listened to a recording by Antonio Pompa-Baldi (not on youtube but on spotify) and he playes the ominous measures.

Can somebody bring some light into the darkness?
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/09/13 05:25 PM

I'm glad Sam that you've now found another piece you'd like to do, after it turned out that 'Gone' had done just that (my mistake). The updated list to reflect your choice is below.

Yester, you've come to the right place! If I can't give you any suggestions there are much better pianists than me on this thread who I'm sure will help... I've lost my specs tonight so I'm trying to see through a credit card sized plastic magnifying 'glass', so I can't see v well!

UNTAKEN (10):

OPUS 38
No 5 : Spring Dance
No 8 : Canon

OPUS 43
No 6 : To the spring

OPUS 47
No 7 : Elegy

OPUS 54
No 5 : Scherzo

OPUS 62
No 3 : French Serenade
No 6 : Homeward

OPUS 65
No 4 : Salon

OPUS 68
No 6 : Melancholy Waltz

OPUS 71
No 2 : Summer Evening


The list of allocated pieces is:

TAKEN (56)
OPUS 12
No 1: Arietta (AimeeO)
No 2: Waltz (Saranoya)
No 3: Watchman's Song (Casinitaly)
No 4: Elve's Dance (LadyChen)
No 5: Popular Melody (AndyPlatt)
No 6: Norwegian Melody (Piano Dad)
No 7: Album Leaf (Saranoya)
No 8: National Song (AZ Astro)

OPUS 38
No 1: Berceuse (zrtf90)
No 2: Popular Melody (Wayne33yrs)
No 3: Melody (SwissMS)
No 4: Halling (Piano Dad)
No 6: Elegy (Recaredo)
No 7: Waltz (Dipsy)

OPUS 43
No 1: Butterfly (Beric)
No 2: Solitary Traveller (Wisebuff)
No 3: In My Native Country (Allard)
No 4: Little Bird (RagnHild)
No 5: Erotik (Peterws)

OPUS 47
No I: Valse Impromptu (Swissms)
No 2: Album Leaf (Ganddalf)
No 3: Melody (Dipsy)
No 4: Halling (Carlos88)
No 5: Melancholy (Stumbler)
No 6: Spring Dance (Peterws)

OPUS 54
No 1: Shepherd's Boy (Beric)
No 2: Norwegian March (zrtf90)
No 3: March of the Trolls (Rostosky)
No 4: Notturno (Dipsy)
No 6: Bell Ringing (Sinophilia)

OPUS 57
No 1: Vanished Days (dire tonic)
No 2: Gade (Sam S)
No 3: Illusion (PianoStudent88)
No 4: Secret (Beric)
No 5: She Dances (Dire Tonic)
No 6: Home Sickness (RagnHild)

OPUS 62
No 1: Sylph (niluh01)
No 2: Gratitude (Sam S)
No 4: Brooklet (niluh01)
No 5: Phantom (Pavel.K)

OPUS 65
No 1: From Early Years (Morodiene)
No 2: Peasant's Song (Wisebuff)
No 3: Melancholy (PianoStudent88)
No 5: Ballad (Rupak Bhattacharya)
No 6: Wedding Day at Troldhauen (Ganddalf)

OPUS 68
No 1: Sailor's Song (ElleC)
No 2: Grandmother's minuet (yester)
No 3: At Your Feet (dire tonic)
No 4: Evening in the mountains (Limefriday)
No 5: Cradle Song (Carey)

OPUS 71
No 1: Once upon a time (AnneH)
No 3: Puck (Farmgirl)
No 4: Peace of the Woods (Valencia)
No 5: Halling (Morodiene)
No 6: Gone (Keystring)
No 7: Remembrances (dynamobt)
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/09/13 06:10 PM

Originally Posted By: yester
Originally Posted By: Dipsy
That's great yester - welcome to our group! I hope you enjoy preparing your piece. Many people prepare their piece privately, but if you want to share any ideas or problems you have about it on this thread, than that's great too!


that's great, I’m looking forward to share my problems because I am self-taught, no teacher out there to bombard with questions…

Ok, my starting problem: I’m wondering about the right arrangement. I use these imslp-notes: - klick -.

But listening to Walter Giesekings recording - klick - I’m not sure if there are different notes out there…

think Gieseking plays the notes I have linked but when he achieves page 3 of the piece (page 5 of the pdf) he just plays till the third measure in line two (I mean the measure with the dotted whole-note-chord G-major - unfortunately the measures are not numbered).

But then he skips the next eight measures and goes on with the first measure on the penultimate line (marked with “con moto”).

I have listened to a recording by Antonio Pompa-Baldi (not on youtube but on spotify) and he playes the ominous measures.

Can somebody bring some light into the darkness?


Giesekings skipped some measures. Don't know why. The score you linked at imslp is correct. Maybe he had a memory lapse? Maybe the recording engineer cut something out? That's very odd.

Sam
Posted by: yester

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/10/13 03:51 PM

Thank you for answering, Sam!
I'm glad that the score is correct, now I can start practicing with a certain calm.
Posted by: carey

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/13/13 11:59 AM

As a second piece, I'll tackle Opus 43 No. 6 - To the Spring.

I've had the score for more than 50 years - this is the little nudge I needed to finally buckle down and learn it !!!!

smile
Posted by: Allard

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/13/13 07:31 PM

Yay! Welcome to Opus 43 laugh
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/13/13 11:24 PM

I'll take on Opus 47 No 7, Elegy, in addition to the two I have already.

Hooray, three pieces in minor keys smile !
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/13/13 11:35 PM

I will take summer's eve 71-2 as my second piece.
Posted by: yester

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/15/13 05:10 PM

Hi all,

once again I have a question, hope somebody can help me.
I’m a little bit confused about the staccato-marks in my piece (Grandmother’s menuet op. 68 no2)

My problem starts on the second quarter time, I’m not sure how to play it. I encounter it the first time and this note-constellation runs through the whole piece.

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On the one hand there is a quarter note to play which is marked with a staccato point. On the other hand there are two eight notes with staccato points at the same time to play.

Without the staccato mark of the quarter note it’s easy: I hold the quarter note while I’m playing the two eight notes staccato. But unfortunately (for me…) ) the quarter note has a staccato mark as well.

So how should I play the staccato of the quarter note in relation to the two staccato eight notes?
Is the quarter note more played like a portato? When should I unhand the note in relation to the two eight notes?

It would be great if somebody could explain it to me; I’m a little bit lost.

greetings
yester
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/15/13 05:24 PM

I think that you think that if a note is a quarter note, that it has to last for the duration of that time. But it simply means that you press that note on that beat, and then you press the next staccato quarter note on the next beat. Meanwhile you have played two eighth notes during that time. You can also get insights by looking up performances of your piece.
Posted by: yester

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/15/13 05:47 PM

Thanks for answering, keystring!

Yes, I do hear a lot of performences of my piece, I have really good recordings, but unfortunatly I'm not able to figure out by ear how the interpreter play this (listening is always my first step beginning a new piece).

So following your explanation the staccato quarter note is played as shortley as the first staccato eight note? So Grieg also could have noted a staccato eight note plus an eight rest instead of the staccato quarter note?
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/15/13 06:01 PM

It sounds like you got it.
Posted by: yester

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/15/13 06:30 PM

great grin thanks a lot for your help!
Posted by: MrPozor

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/16/13 03:31 AM

Wow, these themed recitals sure sound like a lot of fun. I've seen the thread for some time now but never realized how it works until it was discussed at the EPP. To work together towards a common goal must be great.

Unfortunately, Grieg is above my current level but I will consider joining the next themed recital (unless you choose Rachmaninov).
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/16/13 04:17 AM

Originally Posted By: MrPozor
Wow, these themed recitals sure sound like a lot of fun. I've seen the thread for some time now but never realized how it works until it was discussed at the EPP. To work together towards a common goal must be great.

Unfortunately, Grieg is above my current level but I will consider joining the next themed recital (unless you choose Rachmaninov).


Mr Pozor, there are several Grieg pieces you could play!!!
(Ok, but it is true that for this recital they are already taken!)...
However, if you wanted to try something the OP.12 N.2 Waltz , Op12 N3, Watchman's Song, Op 54, N6 Bell Ringing, OP 65 N5, In Ballad Style (this is perhaps a bit harder, but it is slow, and I think you could do it) and then Op 68 N1 Sailor's Song.

Somewhere not too far into this thread there is a link with the levels of the pieces - I just went through the book looking for ones I thought you might be comfortable with. Why not try one as your summer project - maybe play it at the next ABF recital?
Posted by: MrPozor

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/16/13 05:09 AM

Hi casinitaly,

Thanks for the suggestions. I will definitely look into Grieg for one of my pieces to learn this year. At the moment I still have quite a lot to do with learning a new Bach piece, perfecting and recording the Schubert Waltz and the Matrix theme I played at EPP, and learning a rock song (Muse - Feeling Good) which takes a lot of finger strength.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/16/13 06:05 AM

Originally Posted By: MrPozor
Hi casinitaly,

Thanks for the suggestions. I will definitely look into Grieg for one of my pieces to learn this year. At the moment I still have quite a lot to do with learning a new Bach piece, perfecting and recording the Schubert Waltz and the Matrix theme I played at EPP, and learning a rock song (Muse - Feeling Good) which takes a lot of finger strength.


Yes, you do have a lot on the go! I liked that Matrix theme .. though I confess I couldn't remember what it was called!

Grieg will be there waiting when you are ready!
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/16/13 09:50 AM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Somewhere not too far into this thread there is a link with the levels of the pieces

The Henle publishers website has difficulty (or ease smile ) ratings for pieces that they publish. This link is to the U.S. site. Here is the Grieg Complete Lyric Pieces.

Here is the link for the Henle international site. Not sure if there's any difference between them, except possibly differences in shipping rates for ordering?
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/16/13 10:16 AM

Fingering question: Op. 65 No. 3, Tungsind (Melancholy) (No. 50 in the linked score). Second page, third staff, first measure, RH. I find the given fingering to be strange. (I'm working from a real purchased copy of this, but it has the same fingerings.)

I find it strange to jump from 2 on A to 12 on DF. I also find it strange to start the pattern with 23, 5 on DF, B and then switch to 12, 4 on the same two notes DF, B.

I've been using 1 A, 23 DF, 5 B all the way up. That gives me consistent fingering on all three repeats of the A, DF, B pattern, and also means I'm never jumping: from 5B to 1A is just a contraction, not a jump.

Is mine a reasonable fingering? Should I really be using the given fingering (or at least exploring it more) (are there advantages to it that I haven't discerned yet)? Is there some other fingering that you would suggest?

The pattern appears twice more in similar fashion later on the same page, at the end of the fourth staff and the beginning of the fifth staff. I would like to use the same fingering for all three passages.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/16/13 10:47 AM

The A's in M19 are to be played in LH, methinks! Same with M24 & M25.

You're RH fingering is then 1, 23, 5, 12, 4, 12, 4.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/16/13 10:54 AM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Fingering question: Op. 65 No. 3, Tungsind (Melancholy) (No. 50 in the linked score). Second page, third staff, first measure, RH. I find the given fingering to be strange. (I'm working from a real purchased copy of this, but it has the same fingerings.)

I find it strange to jump from 2 on A to 12 on DF. I also find it strange to start the pattern with 23, 5 on DF, B and then switch to 12, 4 on the same two notes DF, B.

I've been using 1 A, 23 DF, 5 B all the way up. That gives me consistent fingering on all three repeats of the A, DF, B pattern, and also means I'm never jumping: from 5B to 1A is just a contraction, not a jump.

Is mine a reasonable fingering? Should I really be using the given fingering (or at least exploring it more) (are there advantages to it that I haven't discerned yet)? Is there some other fingering that you would suggest?

The pattern appears twice more in similar fashion later on the same page, at the end of the fourth staff and the beginning of the fifth staff. I would like to use the same fingering for all three passages.


I may be totally wrong, but I think that the sixteenth notes in the upper staff with the beams that are down are meant to be played with the left hand - those are the notes marked with finger 2. So you play that tied half note B in the left hand, then lift your hand and use the second finger of the left hand to insert those 16th notes.

Anyway, that's my guess...

edit: I see Richard beat me to that answer!

Sam
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/16/13 12:01 PM

The fingering in the Grieg is nothing to crow about. Go by what works.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/16/13 12:40 PM

Oho! Richard and Sam, thank you. I had been wondering about the down stems on the As: a second important voice to bring out, I puzzled? Using the LH explains both the down stems, and the 2s being written underneath the As.

This will be a fun new coordination and timing exercise for me.

Interesting to note that one has to deduce, from the fingering 4 being written above it, that the final B, despite its downstem, should be played with the RH. But in the first measure of the last staff, the engraver forgets what he did the previous two times, and sets the final C# with an upstem, which makes the hand clearer, but is more awkward on the page.

Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/16/13 12:51 PM

Originally Posted By: keystring
The fingering in the Grieg is nothing to crow about. Go by what works.

If fingering has been provided, I prefer to use it as a starting point to find out if there is anything helpful for me in it. Often the fingering provided (in any piece, not just here) has good solutions that I wouldn't have thought of on my own. I have no problem substituting my own fingering if needed. But this is a case where what I came up with also felt somewhat awkward. And as Richard and Sam have pointed out, there is something to be learned from this fingering, which I had misunderstood. Now I can try it out as it is meant to be played, and determine if that works for me or if I want to modify it in yet another direction.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/17/13 05:40 PM

I have found my specs - things are so much easier now! After this post, you may be glad to hear I won't clog up this thread with as many long lists of the pieces already taken.

Thanks for your selections Carey, PianoStudent88 and Farmgirl. They help us inch ever closer to completing the set. Our best chance, I think, is if we can get the remaining 7 chosen before folk start their summer holidays, when they may forget all about this for a while.

Mr Pozor, I'm glad that you've been enjoying following this thread, even though you don't feel able to take part at the moment. It would be great if in future there is another recital like this, so you could join in.


UNTAKEN (7):

OPUS 38
No 5 : Spring Dance
No 8 : Canon

OPUS 54
No 5 : Scherzo

OPUS 62
No 3 : French Serenade
No 6 : Homeward

OPUS 65
No 4 : Salon

OPUS 68
No 6 : Melancholy Waltz


The list of allocated pieces is:

TAKEN (59)

OPUS 12
No 1: Arietta (AimeeO)
No 2: Waltz (Saranoya)
No 3: Watchman's Song (Casinitaly)
No 4: Elve's Dance (LadyChen)
No 5: Popular Melody (AndyPlatt)
No 6: Norwegian Melody (Piano Dad)
No 7: Album Leaf (Saranoya)
No 8: National Song (AZ Astro)

OPUS 38
No 1: Berceuse (zrtf90)
No 2: Popular Melody (Wayne33yrs)
No 3: Melody (SwissMS)
No 4: Halling (Piano Dad)
No 6: Elegy (Recaredo)
No 7: Waltz (Dipsy)

OPUS 43
No 1: Butterfly (Beric)
No 2: Solitary Traveller (Wisebuff)
No 3: In My Native Country (Allard)
No 4: Little Bird (RagnHild)
No 5: Erotik (Peterws)
No 6: To the Spring (Carey)

OPUS 47
No I: Valse Impromptu (Swissms)
No 2: Album Leaf (Ganddalf)
No 3: Melody (Dipsy)
No 4: Halling (Carlos88)
No 5: Melancholy (Stumbler)
No 6: Spring Dance (Peterws)
No 7: Elegy (PianoStudent88)

OPUS 54
No 1: Shepherd's Boy (Beric)
No 2: Norwegian March (zrtf90)
No 3: March of the Trolls (Rostosky)
No 4: Notturno (Dipsy)
No 6: Bell Ringing (Sinophilia)

OPUS 57
No 1: Vanished Days (dire tonic)
No 2: Gade (Sam S)
No 3: Illusion (PianoStudent88)
No 4: Secret (Beric)
No 5: She Dances (Dire Tonic)
No 6: Home Sickness (RagnHild)

OPUS 62
No 1: Sylph (niluh01)
No 2: Gratitude (Sam S)
No 4: Brooklet (niluh01)
No 5: Phantom (Pavel.K)

OPUS 65
No 1: From Early Years (Morodiene)
No 2: Peasant's Song (Wisebuff)
No 3: Melancholy (PianoStudent88)
No 5: Ballad (Rupak Bhattacharya)
No 6: Wedding Day at Troldhauen (Ganddalf)

OPUS 68
No 1: Sailor's Song (ElleC)
No 2: Grandmother's minuet (yester)
No 3: At Your Feet (dire tonic)
No 4: Evening in the mountains (Limefriday)
No 5: Cradle Song (Carey)

OPUS 71
No 1: Once upon a time (AnneH)
No 2: Summer Evening (Farmgirl)
No 3: Puck (Farmgirl)
No 4: Peace of the Woods (Valencia)
No 5: Halling (Morodiene)
No 6: Gone (Keystring)
No 7: Remembrances (dynamobt)
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/18/13 05:26 PM

A while ago I said I'd try to post youtube clips of the remaining 7 pieces, to help people decide whether they might like to select one. and next to each one I've stated the 'Henle level of difficulty' (though as a Brit I'm not quite sure how these levels equate to ABRSM levels, etc) but it gives some indication - thanks for posting the link for this PianoStudent88!

Here they are:

OPUS 38:5 (Spring Dance)
Medium level 4-5




OPUS 38:8 (Canon)
Medium level 4-5



OPUS 54:5 (Scherzo)
Medium level 5-6



OPUS 62:3 (French Serenade)
Medium level 5



OPUS 62:6 (Homeward)
Difficult 6-7



OPUS 65:4 (Salon)
Medium level 5



OPUS 68:6 (Melancholy Waltz)
Medium level 6
[/u][u][/u][u]
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/18/13 06:19 PM

I may regret this. But, I will sign up for the Op 38 no 8 Canon

My recording of Remembrances is already done and submitted. I just hope I can talk my teacher into helping me with this!!!
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/18/13 06:23 PM

That's great dynamobt!

Its good that your 'Remembrances' is already done and dusted - leaving the way clear for the Canon.

I'll update the list soon - just off to bed for now.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/18/13 06:32 PM

Thanks for posting those Dipsy! I had a look and listen, but they are well beyond my abilities at the moment.
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/18/13 06:41 PM

Well, "listening" to Richter was one thing. Just sat down to play Canon. This is really going to stretch me!! 5 flats!!!! It's for certain now. I really am out of my mind!!!
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/19/13 05:06 AM

I have my piece recorded... but it's really slow, I need to speed it up at least a little bit. Also, MIDI recording seems to enhance my dynamics problems - while working on this I'm finding that I have a really hard time maintaining a consistent volume throughout. I'm not too bad at the ppp parts, but there are random loud notes here and there.

I'll spend some more time on this, although I must say I'm getting a bit sick of it wink
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/19/13 09:42 AM

Originally Posted By: sinophilia
I have my piece recorded... but it's really slow, I need to speed it up at least a little bit. Also, MIDI recording seems to enhance my dynamics problems - while working on this I'm finding that I have a really hard time maintaining a consistent volume throughout. I'm not too bad at the ppp parts, but there are random loud notes here and there.

I'll spend some more time on this, although I must say I'm getting a bit sick of it wink


It sounds like you've made good progress - why not put it aside for a week or so and relax with something else, then tackle when you feel fresher --- and not so sick of it!
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/20/13 02:06 PM

ONLY SIX LEFT! (see my post above for the list - but please note that Canon is now taken). For my part, I can only think of one more person who may be interested in doing one or more pieces- a friend in Swansea I play duets with. Trouble is, even if she wants to take part, I doubt if she would like to do all 6 pieces!

As Rossy appears to be taking time out at present, if any of you have already sent him your recording(s) please send me a copy as well. I would hate any of your recordings to get 'lost'.

Everyone who has said they will take part will be contacted soon and asked if they are still doing the pieces you said you would. As there are about 47 people taking part, it would be really helpful if one person per opus contacted the other people in their opus to do this, and then passed on the information to me. Would any of you be happy to do this? It would save me contacting 47 people!

Ganddalf/RagnHild(?), are you still able to prepare something at the beginning of each opus about Grieg/the Lyric Pieces to give us all some background information?

I thought it would be a good idea if the recital was presented in the same way as the Mendelssohn. That means an opus each day for 10 days.
Each opus would hopefully start with a little background information, followed by each piece in order, together with any personal statement* submitted. Hopefully that's ok with folks, but if you can suggest any improvements, ideas would be welcome!

*Everyone is encouraged to write something short about their preparation of the piece/the process they went through/thoughts about it - but this is not essential.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/20/13 02:11 PM

I will contact the folks working on Op 12.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/20/13 02:21 PM

Thank you
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/20/13 04:06 PM

I guess you can put me down for doing Homeward Op. 62/6. I won't be able to get started on it until after the first week in August, but hopefully that's enough time smile. The other pieces I have ( From Early Years 65/1 and Halling 71/5) are in pretty good shape so far.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/20/13 04:20 PM

I will contact people working on Opus 47, Opus 57 and Opus 65.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/20/13 04:23 PM

I'm involved in Op. 38 and 54. As Sinophilia has already recorded her bells I'll add that Gangar is on target. I'll leave you to wrap up Op. 54 with Beric and Rossy and I'll co-ordinate with the others on Op. 38. I presume you're still in on the waltz so I'll just contact Wayne, SwissMS, Piano Dad and Recaredo then get back to you.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/20/13 05:27 PM

That's wonderful - thank you so much casinitaly, zrtf90 and PianoStudent88 for agreeing to contact others in your groups. This has taken the teamworking we are doing to a whole new level!

Our new 'opus leaders'[/u] are as follows:

[u]OPUS

12 casinitaly
38 zrtf90
43 (vacancy)
47 PianoStudent88
54 zrtf90/dipsy
57 PianoStudent88
62 (vacancy)
65 PianoStudent88
68 (vacancy)
71 (vacancy)
If your opus has a vacancy, please consider contacting others in your opus to check everyone is on track (becoming an 'opus leader'!)and then report back

Thanks to Morodiene taking the most difficult of the untaken pieces, all 5 remaining pieces are at medium level. Please take a look at them. They are:

REMAINING UNTAKEN
OPUS 38:5 (Spring Dance)




OPUS 54:5 (Scherzo)



OPUS 62:3 (French Serenade)



OPUS 65:4 (Salon)



OPUS 68:6 (Melancholy Waltz)

Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/20/13 05:51 PM

Can you submit your offerings at any time before the deadline? Any particular time preferred?
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/20/13 05:52 PM

I'm onto Op. 38, Dipsy.

You just need to contact Beric and Rossy for Op. 54, since I've already confirmed, and I figured they'd be easier for you.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/20/13 05:54 PM

Thanks Richard. I realised my mistake - the opus leader vacancy list is now updated. For op 54, I know Beric is on course and will try to establish if Rossy is.

Peterws - yes, you can submit early - at any time up to to around 10th Sept, in time for the recital about 5 days later. This allows a bit of time to iron out any technical issues and collate submissions and any extra background information available. For now, recordings can be submitted to me, though in future a decision may be taken that each opus leader should hold submitted recordings prior to putting it all together.
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/20/13 06:44 PM

Helen, just to thank you for your great work on this themed recital wink .
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/20/13 07:27 PM

I was planning to fuse my two "less than one minute each" pieces into one youtube video. Is that possible?
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/20/13 07:39 PM

Piano Dad, we make one video for every piece, at least so did we in the Mendelssohn recital, since the idea is to offer one opus a day.
Posted by: Anne H

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/20/13 07:56 PM

I can be the Opus 71 leader if it helps!
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/21/13 01:23 AM

Thanks Recaredo and Anne H.

I think its really exciting and warms my heart how quickly and how many of you have offered to do more to help make this recital a success. So, less than a day since Casinitaly's idea of having team leaders, almost all of the opus' have team leaders as follows:

OPUS
12:Casinitaly
38:zrtf90
47:PianoStudent88
54:zrtf90/dipsy
57:PianoStudent88
65:PianoStudent88
71:AnneH

The only opus' without a leader are 43,62 and 68.

If your opus has a leader, you will be contacted by that person who will want to know if you are still going to do the piece you said you would do, and ask you how you are getting along. So please work with them.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/21/13 04:00 AM

Dipsy, I could bring op 68 together. Does that mean I’ll be able to boss the 68-ers around and generally give them a hard time?
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/21/13 04:14 AM

Anyone currently hovering on the sidelines should look at Melancholy Waltz (68,6). It’s really only 2 pages played 3 times through with a twist on the the 3rd x. Subdued and moody with some very Griegy bitter-sweet modulations. There’s nearly 2 months left to go, surely a newcomer can take this on? (get practising!).
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/21/13 04:38 AM

Thanks dire tonic- yes, feel free to give the 68-ers a hard time. I've got an unused riding crop if that helps! (I never really knew what to do with it with my ex!!)

That just leaves opus' 43 and 62 without a leader.

We've still 5 untaken pieces, by the way...
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/21/13 04:49 AM

Ok, I'll go with Opus 38 No. 5, Spring Dance.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/21/13 05:11 AM

Thanks Richard. This now just leaves the following pieces:

Scherzo (op 54:5)
French Serenade (op 62:3)
Salon (op 65:4)
Melancholy Waltz (op 68:6)

Just imagine - once all the pieces are taken, I will stop nagging you all!
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/21/13 11:09 AM

In case I'm not the only one wondering about this ....

(thank you Wikipedia)

The most common plural of opus in English is opuses. Some people use the Latin plural, opera. Opi is fairly common in the field of classical music, though mostly in informal contexts. The use of any of these three pluralizations may result in the speaker being corrected, though opi above all should be avoided in formal contexts.

Personally , I like OPI ....but then is it OP-eye, or OP-ee?
Ah, the questions never end.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/21/13 11:35 AM

I'm completely unfamiliar with Opi. As it is unlikely to be formal English it is unlikely to have been affected by the great vowel shift, therefore it should be the Latin i.

The Latin is 3rd declension not second so opi should be wrong on that basis.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/21/13 11:39 AM

… and if you're enjoying your ouzo, the plural of opus becomes opa!


Yes, I know, time to ban P*D. grin

Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/21/13 11:46 AM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
I'm completely unfamiliar with Opi. As it is unlikely to be formal English it is unlikely to have been affected by the great vowel shift, therefore it should be the Latin i.

The Latin is 3rd declension not second so opi should be wrong on that basis.



You're right - 3rd declension...

I wonder if Opi started as a joke and caught on as ajoke, then someone thought it was the real deal and it spread even more! lol.(actually I don't think it is widespread at all)

I think I'll give up on opi and go with opera then.

(There are a few Italian irregular nouns that end "a" as plurals too, and they drive me insane, but what can you do?)
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/21/13 11:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
… and if you're enjoying your ouzo, the plural of opus becomes opa!


Yes, I know, time to ban P*D. grin



lol No, I don't think that's worth a ban - not by a long shot smile
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/21/13 12:55 PM

how about 'oooops' as an alternative?! - matches how things might be going here.
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/22/13 11:01 AM

Wow I see you are wrapping this up! I spent two hours at the piano today and got a better recording... only problem is, my piece is almost 6 minutes long at my top speed - or should I say at my slowness? grin

I will definitely put it aside for a week or two and see if I have the energy to do better. Time to think of something for the video! smile
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/22/13 11:08 AM

You see, I knew there was a reason why I selected two pieces that each last less than a minute ... grin
Posted by: yester

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/22/13 12:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
Thanks Richard. This now just leaves the following pieces:

Scherzo (op 54:5)
French Serenade (op 62:3)
Salon (op 65:4)
Melancholy Waltz (op 68:6)

Just imagine - once all the pieces are taken, I will stop nagging you all!




I listen to the french serenade and I’m in love with it. But Henle 5 is about my abilities, my standard at this particular time is Henle 3, maybe 3/4.

I would really like to give the serenade a try but I’m absolutely not sure if I can handle it till deadline.

Is there a chance to take the piece and to check it out for a week and to give it back to the community after that week if I descry that I can’t sufficiently improve my skills in the remaining time?
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/22/13 01:43 PM

I'm getting my eldest back from Newfoundland tomorrow. He has said he might take a look at what's left. I don't think we realized how little that would be. smile
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/22/13 02:37 PM

Yester - you are very welcome to try out 'French serenade' for size. But REALLY don't worry about getting it perfect for anyone else's benefit- you're among totally non judgemental friends here many of whom are also stretching themelves. If, however, you would not feel comfortable going public with your performance no one would want you to feel that way..

Just see how you go with it. We'll assume you will take it unless you let us know to the contrary (as opus 62 has no leader ('opled'!) by posting here again, or sending me a PM, as soon as you can.

Piano Dad - it would be great if your eldest did want to take on some of whats left!
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/22/13 03:53 PM

Well, if he does he'll have to learn and record within two weeks. That's when we lose him again.
Posted by: yester

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/22/13 07:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
Yester - you are very welcome to try out 'French serenade' for size. But REALLY don't worry about getting it perfect for anyone else's benefit- you're among totally non judgemental friends here many of whom are also stretching themelves. If, however, you would not feel comfortable going public with your performance no one would want you to feel that way..

Just see how you go with it. We'll assume you will take it unless you let us know to the contrary (as opus 62 has no leader ('opled'!) by posting here again, or sending me a PM, as soon as you can.

Piano Dad - it would be great if your eldest did want to take on some of whats left!


Great grin
I:m very curious about the progression of this adventure!
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/22/13 08:36 PM

Well,I just want to thank Dipsy/Helen for posting those videos of the unpicked pieces. I wouldn't be learning Canon otherwise. And this is one really fun piece! Can't believe it wasn't grabbed up. But, it's mine now!! Oh, it's still quite rough and there are still wrong notes. But the 5 flats hasn't been as hard as I thought it would be. The piece is so pretty that it really motivates me to work on it.

Tomorrow will be my first lesson on it wth my teacher. She's going to be able to tell I've worked on it. I've had both hands together in all parts allbeit slowly. But gosh, this is a pretty piece!!!
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/23/13 04:05 AM

Hi folks,

We are contacting you all to check that you're still on course with your piece, but in the meantime..(in case you were planning on going off on holiday somewhere for a while)... before you go we'd like to confirm the deadline for submitting your recording(s) and the date the recital will start, ...

These are:

SUBMISSION DEADLINE: 10TH SEPTEMBER.


LAUNCH DATE: SUNDAY 15th SEPTEMBER


So all recordings should be sent to your opus leader ('opled') by 10th.

Every opus except no 62 now has an opus leader, as peterws has just offered to be opled for opus 43 - thanks Peter!

This is for all opleds, who may enjoy cracking the whip!





PS At the end of the week there will be an updated list of any pieces still untaken, taking account of feedback from you all - in case any have dropped out. So you may get a second chance to grab a favourite!
PPS Dynamobt, I'm really glad you're feeling happier now about your piece.
Posted by: patH

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/23/13 04:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
SUBMISSION DEADLINE: 10TH SEPTEMBER.


LAUNCH DATE: SUNDAY 15th SEPTEMBER

Good! This would mean I have just 6 weeks to learn a piece, and do a recording. Two challenges; I wonder which is the bigger one. wink

So: of the three remaining pieces, the Scherzo op.54/5 seems to be most to my liking.
Dipsy, you are the opus leader of 54. Is the Scherzo still available?
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/23/13 05:47 PM

Welcome patH - yes Scherzo op 54:5 is still available, and now its yours! smile

That means we have only two pieces left (unless someone drops out - we should know this by the end of the week). These last two are: Salon (op 65:4), and Melancholy Waltz (op 68:6). If you would like to know what they sound like, go back to just under half way on the last page (19) - it is the last two youtube clips in my post.

We are so close to getting all the pieces taken ...
Posted by: Anne H

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/25/13 12:44 AM

I spent two hours trying to get a recording today with no luck. Hopefully tomorrow, but I'm definitely feeling temporarily blah about my piece. I know it backwards and forwards and still can't quite make it stick, despite playing other harder things. Anyone else feeling like they have some kind of mental block going on?
Posted by: Allard

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/25/13 03:44 AM

It's called Red Dot Syndrome and tends to diminish as you practice more! Two hours is probably too long to spend recording; you'll probably get frustrated and it will only get harder to focus. Just take a breather and come back to it the next day. Or if you're getting stuck on the same section, you may need to practice it even more.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/25/13 10:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Anne H
I spent two hours trying to get a recording today with no luck. Hopefully tomorrow, but I'm definitely feeling temporarily blah about my piece. I know it backwards and forwards and still can't quite make it stick, despite playing other harder things. Anyone else feeling like they have some kind of mental block going on?


Maybe take a day off. You have lots of time to get a good recording down! With your day off, play some easy, fun music for yourself to get some perspective. Come back to it, and record several takes. In fact, just let the recording go and avoid stopping and starting the camera/equipment if you can. You'll get there!
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/25/13 01:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Allard
It's called Red Dot Syndrome and tends to diminish as you practice more! Two hours is probably too long to spend recording; you'll probably get frustrated and it will only get harder to focus. Just take a breather and come back to it the next day. Or if you're getting stuck on the same section, you may need to practice it even more.


Yeah, the red dot can become quite annoying on the ninth recording attempt, when the eighth was perfect up to the next-to-last measure ... grin

Seriously, I beat down the red dot by trying not to give a d***. If (when) I mess up, I smile and start over. And I tend to keep the camera rolling through multiple takes. If I "mess up" (by my standards) three or four times in a row, I just get up from the bench, go to the recorder, and hit the delete button. If I'm in the mood, I just reset it, sit at the bench, smile, and start all over again.

On my first piece, once I had a take that was adequate I popped it into the computer for review. That's when I gagged and decided I needed another week of practice to get the speed up a notch. grin

Rinse and repeat.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/25/13 05:45 PM

ATTENTION: ALL PEOPLE WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO PLAY IN THE GRIEG RECITAL

All opus leaders (opleds) should have sent you a personal message to check that you will still be performing your piece(s). Most people have responded, but a few have not.

If you haven't yet confirmed WE NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU.
So please CHECK YOUR PERSONAL MESSAGES, (or if this is a problem, write a post in this thread) and let us know if you are still doing your piece(s).

We all know that this is the holiday season, and some people might not have access to the internet at the moment. However, in time, any pieces which have not been confirmed will be relisted as 'untaken'. So don't lose out!

Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/26/13 03:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Anne H
I spent two hours trying to get a recording today with no luck. Hopefully tomorrow, but I'm definitely feeling temporarily blah about my piece. I know it backwards and forwards and still can't quite make it stick, despite playing other harder things. Anyone else feeling like they have some kind of mental block going on?

Every time I record.

Try to limit your recording sessions! For the Mendelssohn I did the marathon recording sessions and wound up hurting myself from the tension. My best takes were always in the first 3. Take a few days off, and just go for 3 recordings a day. You've got over a month, and maybe by giving yourself plenty of time to screw up, the pressure will be off.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/27/13 07:19 AM

Wanted!: more Grieg recital participants....

….but only a few!

As many will be more or less aware, since April, ABF members have been engaged in preparing a recital of Grieg’s wonderful Lyric Pieces for airing on the 15th September. Inevitably after the initial dash for the most popular/accessible in this collection, the choice thinned out with pick-up slowing through crawl to standstill and that is where we are at the moment – but, remarkably, with only 2 pieces of the original 66 still free!

More remarkable is that those 2 remaining pieces are both a delight and much less of an undertaking at an intermediate level than one might imagine. They are:-

op.65 no.4 - Salon




op.68 no.6 – Melancholy Waltz




Both pieces consist of three repeats of the one idea with a short coda for the Waltz, so Salon is little more than a single page of learning, Melancholy Waltz is barely more than two pages. No doubt these are well within the abilities of some existing participants but it would be nice to snare some freshers to this recital so perhaps leave the weekend free to see if these are picked up by newcomers, then from Monday a free for all.

You’d be quite MAD not to want to play these!

There’s more!

Possibly because we’re in the holiday season, but maybe because some are having second thoughts about their commitment, a few have failed to respond to a call for confirmation that they’re on track to submit their performances. For now, we’re asking that anyone interested watch this space to see if some of the earlier selected pieces come up as re-issues. Initially, any such would become available only to ‘understudy’ since the original taker would have first refusal until it’s known for sure whether or not they still intend to submit. Dipsy will be posting a list showing 'confirmed'/'as yet unconfirmed' and 'untaken' either late today or tomorrow when all will become clear.

Putting dibs on a piece on the off chance that it comes up won’t be accepted – nothing can be reserved in advance of it becoming available.

But don’t miss out on this last chance to participate!

have fun….dt
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/27/13 09:24 AM

I sign up for Op.65/4 "Salon". It's a risky project since I haven't touched the piano for 4 weeks, and there are still 2 weeks left before I return to my instrument. However, I have played the piece earlier and don't think it is too hard.

This will be my third piece. If someone else falls in love with the piece I'll gladly give it away.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/27/13 09:44 AM

- a lovely piece, Ganddalf. Had it been remaindered towards the end I'd have picked it up myself but that would have been my fourth - it's too many.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/28/13 08:54 AM

Hi folks,

All the results of the checking in exercise are now in! Nearly 90% of pieces have now been confirmed, which is a very good start - and some have even recorded their pieces.

Note: A handful of people have yet to confirm, despite our efforts to contact you, so there are 6 unconfirmed pieces. If you are one of these people, please get in touch urgently. Alongside each opus heading, the person coordinating the pieces in that opus (opled)is shown.
'Melancholy Waltz' remains the only unclaimed piece.
Unless otherwise stated, all pieces have been confirmed.

Here's the list:

Grieg Lyric Pieces

OPUS 12 -Casinitaly- complete
No 1: Arietta (AimeeO)
No 2: Waltz (Saranoya)
No 3: Watchman's Song (Casinitaly)
No 4: Elve's Dance (LadyChen)
No 5: Popular Melody (AndyPlatt)
No 6: Norwegian Melody (Piano Dad)
No 7: Album Leaf (Saranoya)
No 8: National Song (AZ Astro)

OPUS 38- zrtf90-(complete)
No 1: Berceuse (zrtf90)
No 2: Popular Melody (Wayne33yrs)
No 3: Melody (SwissMS)
No 4: Halling (Piano Dad)
No 5: Spring Dance (zrtf90)
No 6: Elegy (Recaredo)
No 7: Waltz (Dipsy)
No 8: Canon (dynamobt)

OPUS 43- peterws
No 1: Butterfly (Beric)
No 2: Solitary Traveller (Wisebuff)
No 3: In My Native Country (Allard)
No 4: Little Bird (RagnHild)
No 5: Erotik (Peterws)
No 6: To the spring (Carey)

OPUS 47 -PianoStudent88 (complete)
No I: Valse Impromptu (Swissms)
No 2: Album Leaf (Ganddalf)
No 3: Melody (Dipsy)
No 4: Halling (Carlos88)
No 5: Melancholy (Stumbler)
No 6: Spring Dance (Peterws)
No 7: Elegy (PianoStudent88)

OPUS 54- zrtf90 (complete)
No 1: Shepherd's Boy (Beric)
No 2: Norwegian March (zrtf90)
No 3: March of the Trolls (zrtf90)
No 4: Notturno (Dipsy)
No 5: Scherzo (PatH)
No 6: Bell Ringing (Sinophilia)

OPUS 57 - PianoStudent88
No 1: Vanished Days (dire tonic)
No 2: Gade (Sam S)
No 3: Illusion (PianoStudent88)
No 4: Secret (Beric)
No 5: She Dances (Dire Tonic)
No 6: Homesickness (RagnHild)

OPUS 62 - dipsy
No 1: Sylph (niluh01)
No 2: Gratitude (SamS)
No 3: French Serenade (yester)
No 4: Brooklet (niluh01)
No 5: Phantom (Pavel.K)

No 6: Homeward (Morodiene)

OPUS 65 - PianoStudent88 (complete)
No 1: From Early Years (Morodiene)
No 2: Peasant's Song (Wisebuff)
No 3: Melancholy (PianoStudent88)
No 4: Salon (Ganddalf)
No 5: Ballad (Rupak Bhattacharya)
No 6: Wedding Day at Troldhauen (Ganddalf)

OPUS 68 - dire tonic
No 1: Sailor's song (ElleC)
No 2: Grandmother's Minuet (yester)
No 3: At Your Feet (dire tonic)
No 4: Evening in the mountains (Limefriday)
No 5: Cradle Song (Carey)
No 6: Melancholy Waltz - untaken

OPUS 71 - AnneH (complete)
No 1: Once upon a time (AnneH)
No 2: Summer Evening (Farmgirl)
No 3: Puck (Farmgirl)
No 4: Peace of the Woods (Valencia)
No 5: Halling (Morodiene)
No 6: Gone (Keystring)
No 7: Remembrances (dynamobt)

Hope you found this interesting!
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/28/13 02:40 PM

Hello all, sorry I've been absent for soooooo long, just been real busy and not had chance for much Piano Practice. I guess since there's 6 weeks left, I will try my best lol, so consider me confirmed wink

A big congrats and THANK YOU to Dipsey for getting all the pieces taken (bar Opus 68 - No 6: Melancholy Waltz - surely someone out there is able to take it.......come on folks)

smile
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/28/13 02:43 PM

HIYA WAYNE!!

Its so good to hear from you again - especially as you've just confirmed! thumb

keep up the good work

x

- off to update the list now smile
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/28/13 04:27 PM

Glad to see you over here, Wayne, I would have missed your performance in this recital, dude.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/28/13 08:38 PM

Hi Wayne! You can learn your piece in 6 weeks, I'm sure. smile
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/29/13 01:17 PM

Oh, look who's graced us with his presence wink
Welcome back Wayne! Get to practicing!
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/29/13 02:27 PM

Pavel.K has just confirmed everyone! So we're now down to 5 'unconfirmed', plus the untaken 'melancholy waltz' op 68:6.

(BTW, it wasn't just me who worked to produce the list - each opled contacted the people in their opus to ask them to check in - so thanks go to Casinitaly, zrtf90, peterws, PianoStudent88, Anne H and dire tonic! Without this team effort this project would be a bit much)!

Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/30/13 06:22 PM

Thanks for the welcome back/encouragment guys, looking forward to it wink
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/30/13 09:07 PM

Thank you leaders!!! This is an amazing feat. Would anyone be offended if I write this thread up as an example of communication on line?

Looking forward to the great listening experience.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/31/13 01:55 AM

I love seeing this all come together!

Wisebuff - I think it would be pretty neat if you wrote this thread up - there are a lot of great aspects to talk about.

....but we have to get to read the article, right? smile
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/31/13 08:52 AM

Today I played my piece for a friend, over Skype!

It went...not too shabbily at all, though I will confess to having been somewhat thrown off by the car alarm that went off just before my finale....!
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/31/13 09:20 AM

I have Berceuse in three parts and each is doing fine. Gangar is in bits. Each bit is ok and is in much larger sections HS than it is HT. With six weeks to go I'm not concerned about it yet.

I recently picked up Spring Dance, 38/5, and I'm still at the listening stage. Apart from a stretched chord there's little to prevent this being played from the score.

I've also just got my grubby little mitts on my first choice piece, 54/3. In just a couple of days I have each hand memorised though not quite up to tempo for the first two pages (which are also the last two) so it's just a time and co-ordination issue and the middle section, which I can sing from memory and have read through a few times. To be fair, this piece has been on my to-do list for some time and is well memorised as far as sound goes. It's looking very good.

The only real concern I have is getting my ABF Recital piece in and wondering when I'll get back to Bach and Scarlatti!
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/31/13 09:40 AM

"Gade" is sounding pretty good, relatively speaking. I've stabilized at a moderate tempo, not as fast as the recordings I've listened to, but about the best I can do. It's really a very nice piece. Lot's of repetition, but that seems typical of Grieg. And he seems very fond of the subdominant to tonic cadence - the old "Amen" at the end of hymns.

"Takk" is odd - I can't think of a better way to describe it. It has a very beautiful A section (which returns, of course) that reminds me of one of Mendelssohn's Songs without Words. But the B section is awkward and very contrasting - a series of dissonant chords that get louder and faster until they end in a ninth chord. Then it's back to the A section again - and so forth. It ends with another "Amen" cadence.

Now, recording them is another thing altogether.

Sam
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/31/13 10:17 AM

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[/quote]recording them is another thing altogether[quote]


I know what you mean! For the last recitals, someone else did that for me. This time around, I've been lacking in knowledge of what equipment to use/how to use equipment - not to mention the equipment itself! This whole experience continues to be a v steep 'learning curve' for me. And in my case 10% of this recital rests on getting it right.

Although the fact that I'm being pushed way outside my comfort zone is good for me, and I'm getting there slowly, it would be so easy to hope for a technically-minded 'rescuer' on a white charger instead!

If you feel your piece is ready enough to have a go at recording, how are you getting on with it? I know that some of you have already done your recordings, but are any of you having difficulty with this (apart from problems with your playing)?
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/31/13 10:25 AM

The Solitary Traveler or Lonely Wanderer (43#2), as the book may be, is under my fingers but the connecting of note to note or chord to chord is not as smooth as my teacher (and I) want it. Sure the pedal will hide a lot of that but I'm spending 20 minutes or so per phrase working to teach my fingers to be in position a titch quicker to smooth it out. Pretty much the same with Peasant's song (65#2). Tempo will be what it will be by recording time. Both are nice singing pieces. Haven't subjected either one to the red dot test yet. Might wait until after the Denver Piano Party on Aug 17.
Posted by: SwissMS

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/31/13 10:28 AM

I have an initial recording of Melody (38 3) done, but since I have the time, I am going to continue to work on it and try to bring up the tempo a bit. The rapid changes between the arpeggio runs are my limiter right now.

Valse Impromptu, on the other hand, is giving my left hand fits. It has a lot of large stretches. I can handle it and stay relaxed at slow tempo, but when I speed it up, I tense up. So, it will be slow and steady until my hand decides it can stay relaxed. This is one I cannot push the tempo, or I end up hurting. I have taken it down to one chord at a time - check relaxation - play the next chord. I will get there. It probably will not end up as fast as the big boys, but it will do.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/31/13 10:48 AM

4 days before I return home and can get back into a practice routine! I've been able to sort of maintain my pieces that I started before leaving a month ago (65/1 & 71/5). I have not yet started on Homeward (62/6), but I think I will be able to take care of that in August. I'm hoping to get my pieces pretty much taken care of before I move back to FL for the school year in Sept. However, I'm only working on my digital piano in WI, so most likely I'll be doing the VST thing for recording, or going to the local conservatory and borrowing their Yamaha C7 if I can work that out somehow. smile
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/31/13 11:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy

If you feel your piece is ready enough to have a go at recording, how are you getting on with it? I know that some of you have already done your recordings, but are any of you having difficulty with this (apart from problems with your playing)?


I use a USB microphone connected to my laptop and the Audacity recording software. I have done 19 ABF quarterly recitals that way. It's a cheap and relatively easy way to record audio. Quality is not great, but neither is my playing! If I really want a video of me playing then I use a camera that does video. Then I have to use imovie to sync up the audio recording with the video - that's cumbersome. Usually if I make a video I use screen captures of the sheet music as a background, then I don't need a camera and I don't have to sync up the audio.

Other people use the hand-held recorders, some of which do video. They are very popular in the forums and easy to use - someone else can fill you in I'm sure. And some people just use their smartphone...

Sam
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/31/13 11:11 AM

Sam S, what software do you use to combine the sheet music images with the recorded audio to make a video?

I just use my iPhone to make my videos, and a borrowed tripod. I'm not sure if the iPhone smushes out the dynamics or not, though. I should do some sound tests.
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/31/13 01:45 PM

So I did audio and video separately... and there's no way I can sync them in a satisfactory way. I think I'll make another video of myself playing while I listen to my recording... Playing while listening... ouch! That won't be easy.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/31/13 03:05 PM

I sense a lot of feverish recording activity out there!
That delight awaits me, but since even an excellent quality recording can't 'make a silk purse out of a sow's ear' (to use an English expression), I'll need to work on my pieces for a while yet. My fingering is still not embedded and I'm in too much of a rush to push ahead at the moment.

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I use a USB microphone connected to my laptop and the Audacity recording software. I have done 19 ABF quarterly recitals that way. It's a cheap and relatively easy way to record audio. Quality is not great, but neither is my playing! If I really want a video of me playing then I use a camera that does video. Then I have to use imovie to sync up the audio recording with the video - that's cumbersome. Usually if I make a video I use screen captures of the sheet music as a background, then I don't need a camera and I don't have to sync up the audio.

Other people use the hand-held recorders, some of which do video. They are very popular in the forums and easy to use - someone else can fill you in I'm sure. And some people just use their smartphone.[quote]


Thanks for the helpful suggestions Sam. When the time comes I'll see what equipment I can muster!
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/31/13 03:26 PM

This might be helpful to someone:

If you have a digital camera that takes videos, there's an adapter cord that you can get to connect to the zoom recorder to sync the video to your audio while getting a better sound. We have one but haven't tested it yet. (I'm hoping to for this recital, however!)
Ours is from Sescon. I don't know anything about cameras, so I don't know anything about the specs. But the option's there!
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/31/13 06:53 PM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Sam S, what software do you use to combine the sheet music images with the recorded audio to make a video?


I'm using a mac, so I use imovie. First I download the sheet music from imslp, then do screen grabs of the music. Those are loaded into iphoto (which makes it easier to get them into imovie). I load all the music screen grabs into imovie as a slide show. Then load the mp3 as the background music. I have to adjust the length of time each slide is on screen to coincide with the music. Then export to youtube.

If you are using a PC, I'm sure there is similar software.

Sam
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 07/31/13 07:06 PM

I'm using my little zoom Q3. It's Inexpensive, and works fine if you're fairly close to it (and using a tripod).

Then you have no audio/video sync issues.

If I want really good video quality, I use my Canon SLR. But I actually prefer the audio from the zoom.
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/01/13 12:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Sam S
Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Sam S, what software do you use to combine the sheet music images with the recorded audio to make a video?


I'm using a mac, so I use imovie. First I download the sheet music from imslp, then do screen grabs of the music. Those are loaded into iphoto (which makes it easier to get them into imovie). I load all the music screen grabs into imovie as a slide show. Then load the mp3 as the background music. I have to adjust the length of time each slide is on screen to coincide with the music. Then export to youtube.

If you are using a PC, I'm sure there is similar software.

Sam



Windows Movie Maker(!#$@%$@$!!!!). You can insert images at different points. It is straightforward, unless it decides to not cooperate. (I am still struggling with Post Traumatic WMM Disorder from last recital. The first time I used it, it was a piece of cake. The second time, it was out to get me. I promise! I have a new computer with Windows 8(#^&#%^!), so I should have probably started last week to put it together.)
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/01/13 12:51 AM

I am soliciting last minute pedal opinions on my piece, if anyone has any thoughts.
It's Arietta op 1 no 1, on page one of your Dover Book. I wish I was savvy enough to post the chunk in question.

Measures 5-8 can be particularly muddy, if you're not careful. How would you do it? Hold for 2 measures? After each quarter in the bass line? Half pedal? Whole pedal? I've even considered after the first quarter of the melody in measures 6 and 8.

Just curious!
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/01/13 01:54 AM

- in 5-8 it's best to change with the chord movement, so that's every 1/4 note duration(twice per bar).

In my cheapo Schirmer hard copy there's a pedal mark at the very beginning and no indication for pedal off (that should a be new pedal for each measure - I'm sure you know that).

Such a pretty piece, a perfect start for the recital!
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/01/13 01:59 AM

Originally Posted By: AimeeO
I am soliciting last minute pedal opinions on my piece, if anyone has any thoughts.
It's Arietta op 1 no 1, on page one of your Dover Book. I wish I was savvy enough to post the chunk in question.

Measures 5-8 can be particularly muddy, if you're not careful. How would you do it? Hold for 2 measures? After each quarter in the bass line? Half pedal? Whole pedal? I've even considered after the first quarter of the melody in measures 6 and 8.

Just curious!



Looking at the score I would try pedalling on the quarter notes. I'd try actually playing it to test my theory, but I'd be doing it so slowing it wouldn't sound right anyway. smile
I listened to a few recordings by some very proficient pianists and it sounded to my ears as though the pedalling was very light- "on and off" -- but ...I could be mistaken.
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/02/13 01:27 AM

Thanks for your thoughts! I really hope I can live up to it.. it's so pretty!
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/02/13 01:47 AM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
- in 5-8 it's best to change with the chord movement, so that's every 1/4 note duration(twice per bar).

In my cheapo Schirmer hard copy there's a pedal mark at the very beginning and no indication for pedal off (that should a be new pedal for each measure - I'm sure you know that).

Such a pretty piece, a perfect start for the recital!


I wanted to add that my cheapo Dover edition and every thing I'm allowed by law to look at on imslp has the same marking!
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/02/13 03:10 AM

AimeeO - Arietta isn't it? It's my favorite. I only heard of Arietta and Butterfly of all the lyric pieces. Looking forward to it. This is definitely a life time keeper.
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/02/13 03:38 AM

Yes, Arietta- It's a great one. Not only is it one of those that are worth keeping up forever, you can spend a lifetime perfecting it. I've learned a lot from it, and I'm still not tired of it!
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/02/13 06:29 PM

Hi folks,
There has been further progress since the last list of confirmed pieces, so here's an update:

Firstly, GREAT NEWS! Beric has now taken the last remaining untaken piece: Op 68:6 Melancholy Waltz. Thank you.

Secondly, there are still 3 people who have not yet confirmed they will be doing their piece(s). So if this applies to you, think of it as a 'final call'!

If we don't hear from these people very soon, their pieces will be offered to others, and we need to think about understudies. We'll let you know what happens in a couple of days or so, so watch this space! In the meantime, please ask yourself if you would be willing to help by being an understudy, if this were needed.

Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/04/13 07:58 AM

WE NEED YOU ALL -especially RagnHild and niluh01!

Sadly ElleC has had to pull out of the recital and we have yet to hear from RagnHild and niluh01 to confirm that they will be doing their pieces.

So, the pieces listed at the end need 'forever homes', like in this video!



The pieces are:
43:4 Little Bird

Now taken by peterws


57:6 Homesickness




62:1 Sylph




62:4 Brooklet

Now taken by Beric

and finally:
68:1 Sailor's Song
(Note- its only the first 1min 20s of this clip)




Please consider giving one of these pieces a 'home'
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/04/13 09:37 AM

- I'm happy to take on Sylph, but in order to encourage as many participants to this recital as possible rather than a few of us monopolising a selection for themselves, if a newcomer should want to grab it at any time in the next couple of weeks (before I start working on it!!) – please do help yourself.

Of course, I’m only acting as understudy (as would anyone else at this stage) we’re all counting on niluh01 to make a dramatic entrance!
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/04/13 03:14 PM

Well damn! Excuse my language, but. You know how playing a second piece by a composer will give you insight to another piece by them? Yes, learning Op 38 no 8 has changed my outlook on Op 71 no 7. I was so nervous about creating a video for the first time that I rushed to record the Op 71. And now I am so very not happy with my submission.

I think I am going to brush Op 71 no 7 back up and do another take. I hate how not having played it, it has decayed under my fingers. But, it's short and fairly easy. So, I have no excuse. I won't delete the original recording and link to it until I have a recording worthy to replace it. But, pretty sure I'll be making that happen. I have really enjoyed working on Canon Op 38 no 8! It's a very pretty piece that I can't get out of my head most times.

Well, yesterday's recording of the August Quarterly Recital went well. I hope I can get these two Grieg pieces recorded quite soon. Not quite the rush on these as with the August 15th deadline. Good practice today. So, I have hopes to have a better Op 71 no 7 in me.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/06/13 05:48 PM

I`m sure it`ll go well for you. I recorded my two some time ago; not perfect, they never will be. I put in an extra half bar on one of `em. But the music demanded a certain atmosphere. I tried hard for that.

Grieg`s stuff is fantastic. So glad I`m doin` these. And my third piece, if I get to play it, is the best. Fingers are dropping off . . .
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/06/13 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: peterws
Fingers are dropping off . . .
You may want to have a doctor look at that.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/08/13 10:27 AM

Ok folks - just so you know, when we come to do the recital, we'll be setting up a separate thread for it - because it is likely to become HUGE (just like the Mendelssohn recital which only had around 2/3rd the number of pieces and approx 20 fewer participants).

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS?
During the Mendelssohn recital, one opus per day was published on the thread, and then people made comments about people's performances, so the performances and the comments about them were together. This meant that the thread got quite long, and if anyone just wanted to listen to the pieces, they had to scroll down through these comments to find them. It has been suggested that for this recita, the recital thread contain JUST the pieces, with no comments at all (these would need to be on a separate thread). Do you like this idea, or would you prefer the recital recordings and comments to be on the same thread, just like with the Mendelssohn?

Helen

PS Sadly, Ellec is unable to perform her piece, so Sailor's Song is available once more. PLEASE will one of you take it!?
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/08/13 11:40 AM

Why don't you have one thread per opus. Put the pieces and the comments together, but keep each opus as a separate entity.

That's easy to do since each opus is coming out sequentially.

Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/08/13 11:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Why don't you have one thread per opus. Put the pieces and the comments together, but keep each opus as a separate entity.

That's easy to do since each opus is coming out sequentially.

I agree with this idea.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/08/13 12:01 PM

If you have one thread per opus the number of pieces viewed and discussed will be manageable (4-7). You won't get an overgrown nightmare of overlapping discussions.

In addition, if someone later on wants to go back and comment on an earlier opus, that won't be a distraction. They'll be putting their comments in the appropriate thread. Each thread will remain readable since the pieces under discussion are a well-specified grouping.

Lastly, they could all be titled in a way that draws the eye, but shows the differences .... i.e.

Grieg Recital: Op. 12
Grieg Recital: Op. 38

The first thing that hits you is Grieg.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/08/13 12:10 PM

I LIKED THE WAY THE mENDELLSOHN ONE WENT. cOMMENTS WERE spontaneous; it was good!Is that what Piano dad meant? sounds great to me
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/08/13 12:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy

PS Sadly, Ellec is unable to perform her piece, so Sailor's Song is available once more. PLEASE will one of you take it!?


Hi Dipsy,

I am willing to try this piece if there is no one else to take it. Not sure how well I can learn it in the time available. My other piece is not ready yet either so they would both be works-in-progress. My main concern with this piece is that the big chords in the RH will aggravate the arthritis in my wrist. So if there is someone else who wants to play this piece, I'll happily hand it off. But in the mean time I will start practicing it. smile

V.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/08/13 12:21 PM

One per opus sounds good, with comments after the videos.

Long ago when Rostosky was in charge I offered to work with him to use the ABF quarterly recital software. The submissions are handled by the performers - the person running the recital just presents it at the end. It's a lot less work with everything automated.

The only drawback is no control over the order - it's whatever order the performers submit in. So the grand scheme of organizing sequentially by opus would be hard to arrange. It could be done though, with each opus leader submitting the pieces for that opus one after the other. But that is not taking advantage of the usefulness of the software, which distributes the work load and puts the responsibility on the performer.

Just a suggestion - Rostosky wanted to do things his own way, so we never worked out the details.

Sam
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/08/13 12:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Why don't you have one thread per opus. Put the pieces and the comments together, but keep each opus as a separate entity.

That's easy to do since each opus is coming out sequentially.


I like that idea very much.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/08/13 12:39 PM

Hello again -

The question folks was about whether to include comments in the recital thread, or have them separate! (The opleds have already had a debate( by PM) on whether to have a single thread or a thread per opus, and the discussion went the way of having a single thread).

VALENCIA THANK YOU SO MUCH - for offering to take on sailor's song
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/08/13 12:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
Hello again -

The question folks was about whether to include comments in the recital thread, or have them separate! (The opleds have already had a debate( by PM) on whether to have a single thread or a thread per opus, and the discussion went the way of having a single thread).

VALENCIA THANK YOU SO MUCH - for offering to take on sailor's song
Then I vote for a separate comments thread. That way it's easier to navigate between the videos.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/08/13 01:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
Hello again -

The question folks was about whether to include comments in the recital thread, or have them separate! (The opleds have already had a debate( by PM) on whether to have a single thread or a thread per opus, and the discussion went the way of having a single thread).

VALENCIA THANK YOU SO MUCH - for offering to take on sailor's song


Any possibility of reopening that issue? Perhaps the PM debate didn't reach the best conclusion?

Or at least offer some reason why it's positively better to have one growing thread that has people talking about the current opus while other people reach back much earlier to comment on things that were already commented on days or weeks earlier when the opus first came out.

My brain think of separate threads as much tidier and more coherent.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/08/13 02:06 PM

PianoDad, Sam, Morodiene and everyone else - hold fire a bit (on the one thread/many threads discussion). I've had an idea but need to check it out - will get back to you on this once I've checked the options and discussed with opleds.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/08/13 02:42 PM

Leaving aside the question of how many threads and what should be on each thread: Sam S, I appreciate the thoughtfulness of offering the recital software. For me, I really really really REALLY like that the pieces in the themed recital come out in order, so for that reason I prefer that the pieces in each opus are collected and posted in order. I understand what you say about using the Recital software instead: that the strength of the Recital software would be to distribute the workload even more, out to the participants. But the drawback of pieces being out of order makes the idea of using the Recital software to be a complete non-starter for me. I appreciate the work done by the person/people who will do the collecting and posting, and I think it's a valuable part of making the themed recitals so meaningful.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/08/13 04:13 PM

OK, no problem, Dipsy. I know that everyone's putting a lot of work into this, so whatever is easiest for you guys. laugh
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/09/13 06:40 AM

Thanks Morodiene. All the opleds are considering the issue and we'll get back to you all as soon as possible....

Quote:
[/quote] from Sam:
Long ago when Rostosky was in charge I offered to work with him to use the ABF quarterly recital software. The submissions are handled by the performers - the person running the recital just presents it at the end. It's a lot less work with everything automated
...
Just a suggestion - Rostosky wanted to do things his own way, so we never worked out the details.[quote]


Sam, I agree with PianoStudent88 though there's no denying that this software has big advantages when things don't have to be done in a particular order.

However, doing this recital in the way we are, having team leaders for each opus, for example, also allows people to get to know each other better, give support and contribute their own skills if they want to get more involved. Its a different animal to the other recitals on PW I think, with more of the human touch and a feeling of working together towards a common goal.

BTW: I believe Rossy just decided to stick with the method/software he was comfortable with, and had already decided how to publish the recital. No offence was intended, I'm sure. Taking account of your suggestion might have seemed like adding a stressful element to things.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/10/13 05:46 AM

After 6 weeks of absence I'm finally back at my piano. Bit of a chock, really. My fingers are pretty stiff and I have difficulties with trilling with the 4th and 5th finger while holding notes with 1st and 2nd. I really hope that my hands and fingers will become more flexible very soon. I have signed up for three pieces and one of them I haven't played for years. And probably I have to complete my recordings this week. So this is going to be interesting. Maybe a bit too interesting, I'm afraid....
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/10/13 06:13 AM

Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
After 6 weeks of absence I'm finally back at my piano. Bit of a chock, really. My fingers are pretty stiff and I have difficulties with trilling with the 4th and 5th finger while holding notes with 1st and 2nd. I really hope that my hands and fingers will become more flexible very soon. I have signed up for three pieces and one of them I haven't played for years. And probably I have to complete my recordings this week. So this is going to be interesting. Maybe a bit too interesting, I'm afraid....


Yikes. I'd be stressed out!

Something that might help with the flexibility is doing a hot wax treatment on your hands. Yes, it sounds odd, I know - but it helped me at one point.

Here are some instructions:

http://beauty.about.com/od/homemadefacemask1/r/how_to_make_paraffin_wax_treatment_for_hands.htm

You probably need a helper, unless you do one hand at a time.
You obviously have to be careful that the wax isn't **TOO** hot - but truly, not only is this very soothing, your hands feel really relaxed and happy afterwards.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/10/13 06:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
After 6 weeks of absence...My fingers are pretty stiff and I have difficulties with trilling with the 4th and 5th finger...
6 Weeks? This happens to me after six minutes!
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/10/13 06:41 AM

Welcome back Ganddalf - good luck with getting your fingers working again! Yesterday I got a bit of a shock myself when I realised that I can now only bend the end joint of the 4th finger of my Right Hand about 0.6cm and the end joints of other fingers in that hand by not much more - I guess old age comes to us all (though I'm only 50!!). Anyway, enough of that...)

THE DECISION
If you were following the discussion on this thread a couple of days ago about how to present this recital (one thread per opus, or a single thread....and where to put comments), we have some feedback for you now after some further consideration by the opleds, and here it is:

The consensus is firmly in favour of ONE THREAD PER OPUS. COMMENTS IN THE SAME THREAD.

There will also be a MASTER THREAD with links to the other threads, to act as a single point of contact for the whole recital. This will make it easier for people to find what they want - such as looking for pieces in different opa performed by the same person, and in any case saves scrolling down the list of threads on the forum.

We are hopeful that this master could be 'stickied'.

Now for some practice!



Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/10/13 06:58 AM

Nice solution! Thanks Helen and opleds for the result.
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/10/13 08:59 AM

I asked to my Sir the Metronome for my freedom to play my piece (Elegy 38/6), and he graciously accepted smile.

You know, when I was struggling with the Mendelssohn recital, an angel sent me a private message where I could read that sometimes it's easier to learn by feeling than trying to be serious with thecnical issues. That was one of the best pieces of advice I've ever received on the piano. And now it's time to follow it!
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/10/13 09:07 AM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
After 6 weeks of absence I'm finally back at my piano. Bit of a chock, really. My fingers are pretty stiff and I have difficulties with trilling with the 4th and 5th finger while holding notes with 1st and 2nd. I really hope that my hands and fingers will become more flexible very soon. I have signed up for three pieces and one of them I haven't played for years. And probably I have to complete my recordings this week. So this is going to be interesting. Maybe a bit too interesting, I'm afraid....


Yikes. I'd be stressed out!

Something that might help with the flexibility is doing a hot wax treatment on your hands. Yes, it sounds odd, I know - but it helped me at one point.

Here are some instructions:

http://beauty.about.com/od/homemadefacemask1/r/how_to_make_paraffin_wax_treatment_for_hands.htm

You probably need a helper, unless you do one hand at a time.
You obviously have to be careful that the wax isn't **TOO** hot - but truly, not only is this very soothing, your hands feel really relaxed and happy afterwards.


Hot wax? Yikes! What happens to the hair on my knuckles? cool

Sam
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/10/13 09:37 AM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly

Something that might help with the flexibility is doing a hot wax treatment on your hands. Yes, it sounds odd, I know - but it helped me at one point.


Thanks for the advice. As a start, however, I play a little at reduced speed to see if I'm able to strech my muscles and regain some of my flexibility in that way. If this doesn't work out I'll seriously consider the wax treatment.

I'm working very hard memorising "Salon" now. Fortunately it isn't very long and contains many repetitions. But some of the chords are a bit awkward, and I need to focus in order to be able to present the piece before the deadline.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/10/13 09:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Sam S
Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
After 6 weeks of absence I'm finally back at my piano. Bit of a chock, really. My fingers are pretty stiff and I have difficulties with trilling with the 4th and 5th finger while holding notes with 1st and 2nd. I really hope that my hands and fingers will become more flexible very soon. I have signed up for three pieces and one of them I haven't played for years. And probably I have to complete my recordings this week. So this is going to be interesting. Maybe a bit too interesting, I'm afraid....


Yikes. I'd be stressed out!

Something that might help with the flexibility is doing a hot wax treatment on your hands. Yes, it sounds odd, I know - but it helped me at one point.

Here are some instructions:

http://beauty.about.com/od/homemadefacemask1/r/how_to_make_paraffin_wax_treatment_for_hands.htm

You probably need a helper, unless you do one hand at a time.
You obviously have to be careful that the wax isn't **TOO** hot - but truly, not only is this very soothing, your hands feel really relaxed and happy afterwards.


Hot wax? Yikes! What happens to the hair on my knuckles? cool

Sam


lol...it isn't that kind of wax! It just peels off gently.


Gandalf --- good luck with the stretches and those tricky chords!
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/10/13 10:26 AM

Ganddalf - I wish you well! Grieg has more than his fair share of finger stretching torture . . just how much can an older fella take?? I`m just finding out!
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/10/13 10:35 AM

Not even a week yet since I've returned from being away for a month with minimal practicing. There's always so much catching up to do when you're away from home for a while, and I finally feel unburied from all the paperwork and some of the housework.

The two pieces 65/1 and 71/5 shouldn't take too much more work to get them at performance level and fully memorized, but the 62/6 that I just took on really needs some hammering down. Luckily, 62/6 is in ABA form and shouldn't be difficult to memorize and put together technically.

Hopefully this weekend will allow me to get a good start on that last piece.
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/10/13 02:16 PM

I'm glad that there's going to be an individual thread per opus.. it got to be difficult at towards the end of the Mendelssohn to get to the new pieces.

Recaredo - your Venetian Boat song was so beautiful! I'm sure you'll hit this one out of the park smile

I need to buckle down with mine as well.. it's comforting that I'm not alone.
Posted by: yester

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/10/13 05:18 PM

ok, just four weeks left...
My first piece, grandmothers menuet will be ready in time (hope so at least).

But I really don't know if I can finish my second piece, french serenade, in time.
I'm technically able to play it (first I wasn't sure about that) but it's more complex than any other piece I have played so far so progress is real slow, even if I work in truly small chunks.

I don't want to stop my work on this piece because I love it, but if somebody else would like to present it in the recital I would be pleased.
In this case I will present it in one of the upcoming monthly bars.

So, anybody out there responding to a S.O.S call?
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/10/13 05:59 PM

Hi Yester,

Quote:
[/quote]....But I really don't know if I can finish my second piece, french serenade, in time.
I'm technically able to play it...[quote]


I think you're one step ahead of me then! Did you know that in the last recital one of the players had so many other commitments that he had to submit a recording of part of his piece? And unless you'd been following the music it would have been hard to tell.

It'd be a shame if you didn't do it - many of us know that what we do won't be perfect - we're stretching ourselves, but we do the best we can in the time available.

As things stand it looks like we'll be able to put on the full set of lyric pieces - but watch this space. There'll be an update tomorrow hopefully.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/10/13 06:55 PM

"As things stand it looks like we'll be able to put on the full set of lyric pieces -"

That sounds like a heck of an achievement. Some o` those pieces aren`t easy . . . .Well done to all concerned for bringing this to fruition!
Posted by: AZ_Astro

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/11/13 01:51 AM

A brief update.

I am playing Opus 12, No 8, Fedrelandssang, which translates to Fatherland.

Thankfully, it is a one-pager with some repetition, but some of the chords are quirky and not exactly intuitive.

It has taken me about a month to put the piece to memory and I can now play the piece through in its entirety, left and right hands combined. But it is stop and go. Make a mistake and replay. Replay. Replay. Get it right.

I play the song through, usually twice per session, and I try to do two or three sessions a day (before work, at lunch, and in the evening). So I'm getting a lot of reps. I'm so slow I need it.

I am pretty far off the pace, based on other recordings that I have listened to. But I am confident that I will have SOMETHING COHERENT in another month. As a newbie, this one small piece has been all I can handle. I am amazed to hear that some others are handling two or three.

Anyhoo, best wishes to all and good luck with your pieces!

AZ_Astro
Posted by: SwissMS

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/11/13 03:06 AM

Originally Posted By: peterws
...Grieg has more than his fair share of finger stretching torture . . just how much can an older fella take?? I`m just finding out!


Old ladies too! I am finding the same thing. Melody stretches the right hand and Impromptu stretches both. I will be glad to get these pieces recorded! Still, I have to say I have learned a lot from them. I like them both, but they have been hard on my hands.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/11/13 03:42 AM

My hands are swollen today. I played for several hours yeaterday trying to catch up some of the effects of the summer holidays. I have too many projects - this recital, two upcoming local concerts where I take part as an accompanist, and the the quarterly ABF recital with deadline in a couple of days. The last one I should probably skip.

The first concert is Bob Chillcot's Requiem. The performance date is September 1st. This mass is usually performed with an orchestra, but the choir cannot afford this, and I have to play the piano reduction which is difficult. And between September 2nd and 11th I'm abroard. Therefore I have to completemy recordings for this recital as soon as possible, preferably this week. My advantge is that I knew Op.65/6 pretty well from earlier days, but I have a job to do to fight the effects of previous bad habits. The other pieces are new to me, but fortunately they are short.

The second concert is together with three vocal soloists. This is fortunately in October, but I'm afraid the singers want rehersals already in August. This, of course, also takes time, because I'll need to look at the music before the rehersals.

So I'm a bit stressed. But not more than I can handle.
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/11/13 10:44 AM

Ganddalf - hope your hand feels better.

Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/11/13 01:28 PM

Gandalf - ouch - that's a lot on your plate -and now your hands are swollen.
frown not good.

Please be careful ! We don't want to see you with an injury above and beyond this problem!
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/11/13 06:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
My hands are swollen today. I played for several hours yeaterday trying to catch up some of the effects of the summer holidays. I have too many projects - this recital, two upcoming local concerts where I take part as an accompanist, and the the quarterly ABF recital with deadline in a couple of days. The last one I should probably skip.

The first concert is Bob Chillcot's Requiem. The performance date is September 1st. This mass is usually performed with an orchestra, but the choir cannot afford this, and I have to play the piano reduction which is difficult. And between September 2nd and 11th I'm abroard. Therefore I have to completemy recordings for this recital as soon as possible, preferably this week. My advantge is that I knew Op.65/6 pretty well from earlier days, but I have a job to do to fight the effects of previous bad habits. The other pieces are new to me, but fortunately they are short.

The second concert is together with three vocal soloists. This is fortunately in October, but I'm afraid the singers want rehersals already in August. This, of course, also takes time, because I'll need to look at the music before the rehersals.

So I'm a bit stressed. But not more than I can handle.
And remember, no sense in killing yourself over a piece (meaning the Chillcot). Especially not a transcription. No shame in simplifying some areas that are probably barely playable to begin with.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/12/13 02:14 AM

"No shame in simplifying some areas . . "
I`ve been doin` that for years . . . blush cool Ya found me out at last
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/12/13 02:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
And remember, no sense in killing yourself over a piece (meaning the Chillcot). Especially not a transcription. No shame in simplifying some areas that are probably barely playable to begin with.


You are right. The Chillcot piano reduction is virtually unplayable in its original form, and I have to simplify. But even the process of simplification takes time. Fortunalely I'll be "covered" by the choir much of the time, and occasional misses will hardly be possible to hear.

I decided to skip the quartely recital. And during the weekend my hands have got more or less back to normal. After some warming up even trilling with the outer fingers works. And I have been able to memorise my new pieces. There are still some details I would like to polish, but probably the "red dot" will be the greatest challenge.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/12/13 03:18 AM

Gandalf - sorry to hear you're skipping the quarterly recital, but...clearly something has to go!

I'm VERY happy to hear that your hands are much improved! (But you just might want to try the hot wax treatment anyway -it is very soothing!)


As for the red dot... in another thread, Richard suggested recording every day to simply get used to the thing....I have been doing that for a week now and find that it is actually less intimidating. It is just "there". Of course the test will be when I try recording for "real" and see how that goes, but I do feel it will be better. (and who knows,.... during one of my daily sessions I just may get that special take that will be my current best, and I'll submit it!)
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/12/13 08:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
And remember, no sense in killing yourself over a piece (meaning the Chillcot). Especially not a transcription. No shame in simplifying some areas that are probably barely playable to begin with.


You are right. The Chillcot piano reduction is virtually unplayable in its original form, and I have to simplify. But even the process of simplification takes time. Fortunalely I'll be "covered" by the choir much of the time, and occasional misses will hardly be possible to hear.

I decided to skip the quartely recital. And during the weekend my hands have got more or less back to normal. After some warming up even trilling with the outer fingers works. And I have been able to memorise my new pieces. There are still some details I would like to polish, but probably the "red dot" will be the greatest challenge.
Darn that red dot! Maybe if it weren't red, but something less judgmental and threatening, like a nice green or teal color....why don't manufacturers think of this?
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/12/13 09:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Darn that red dot! Maybe if it weren't red, but something less judgmental and threatening, like a nice green or teal color....why don't manufacturers think of this?


My Zoom H1 doesn't have a red dot and it doesn't seem to matter ...
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/12/13 09:36 AM

Really? Pushing the record button doesn't turn some light red? My Zooms have a red light.
Posted by: stumbler

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/12/13 12:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Darn that red dot! Maybe if it weren't red, but something less judgmental and threatening, like a nice green or teal color....why don't manufacturers think of this?


I record the audio to a USB stick. One stick I have pulses blue. It flashes brightly and quickly during recording. I'd be much happier with a red dot that just stays there and does nothing.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/12/13 05:17 PM

My zoom has a red dot. But I'm afraid it wouldn't have helped even with a greenish violet one. Somehow I feel recording more difficult than playing for a live audience. During a live recital I always feel very nervous for the first 2 - 3 minutes, but afterwards I usually calm down and start enjoying playing. When recording I get the same level of tension every time I start anew. I'm particularly concerned about "Wedding day at Troldhaugen" since this is a rather long piece. Getting a decent recording of this piece may take quite some time.
Posted by: FarmGirl

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/12/13 11:30 PM

I just ordered my zoom again. My dog jumped at the table where I placed the zoom and dropped it on the floor. It did not completely die but started declining in performance. I here Bzzzzzzzz sound all over now. I'm getting exactly the same model. I could not make it to the ABF recital but will be ready for this one.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/13/13 01:42 AM

I wish you the best, Ganddalf, with the Chillcot. I’ve no doubt the piano accompaniment could be reduced to something very manageable but that's an additional job which will inevitably eat into your available time.

Your Wedding Day at Troldhaugen is one of the most difficult pieces but I’m sure a lot of us are going to be stretched – that’s bound to be reflected in less than perfect performances so you’ll be in good company. My 68,3 is presentable but it’s the easiest of the three (with Sylph that’ll be four….still counting on niluh01 to show up!). I’ve got no better than fall-back recordings of my two op.57 pieces so I’m likely to be working on trying to improve those right up to the wire.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/14/13 05:26 PM

Attention all! We have a piece that needs an owner! Yes, just when you thought all the Lyric Pieces had been snatched up, this lovely and unique piece is on offer.

Opus 57, No. 6, Homesickness

It's the last piece in the linked score, #41.

Give it a whirl, and let us know that you want it!

Recorded pieces are due September 10, but Opus 57 won't be posted until September 20, so a little negotiation with the opus leader (that's me) would win you an extension past the 10th. That gives you more than a month to learn this little gem.

Vote early, vote often, and don't miss this once in a lifetime opportunity!
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/14/13 08:22 PM

Kind of a big gem in comparison to many of these pieces … grin

It's 2.5 times as long as both of mine combined!
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/15/13 06:50 AM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Attention all! We have a piece that needs an owner! Yes, just when you thought all the Lyric Pieces had been snatched up, this lovely and unique piece is on offer.

Opus 57, No. 6, Homesickness

It's the last piece in the linked score, #41.

Give it a whirl, and let us know that you want it!

Recorded pieces are due September 10, but Opus 57 won't be posted until September 20, so a little negotiation with the opus leader (that's me) would win you an extension past the 10th. That gives you more than a month to learn this little gem.

Vote early, vote often, and don't miss this once in a lifetime opportunity!


Well, since I have already sent both my pieces in, and the ABF quarterly recital is over, I'll take it on - it will be a good challenge for me, one I hope I won't regret.

It's ABA form again, and there is a good amount of repetition in each section. The faster middle section is the challenge, with 4 sharps and lots of accidentals. But the A section is typical Grieg and very lovely.

Sam
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/15/13 06:57 AM

Many thanks Sam!

thumb yippie


Before, we had a full set, but that included understudies who would step in if need be. Now we should know who is doing each piece.

I feel another list coming on.... must chat to opleds...
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/15/13 08:08 AM

Ok, so the definitive list should be coming up soon?

No changes to report in Opus 12 - we're all good to go and getting closer to that "perfect" (ha ha) recording.
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/15/13 08:29 AM

Sam , definitely you're my hero!
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/15/13 08:41 AM

Time to make my video... I could just add bell images to my recording, but it would be a pity not to see me playing grin

Oh, and are we supposed to write down something about our piece?
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/15/13 09:09 AM

Sinophilia - its not compulsory to write down something, but last time (for the Mendelssohn recital) it was a nice touch to read personal statements. It can give listeners a feel for the person behind the performance, and where they were 'at.' But these statements shouldn't be too long - perhaps up to 3 paragraphs or so, because there will be many of them!

Some wrote about their interpretation of the piece, while others wrote about issues/frustrations/insights developed during the process of preparing the piece - their learning 'journey'. Its up to the individual.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/15/13 09:31 AM

Sam S, thanks for taking on Homesickness.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/15/13 09:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
Sinophilia - its not compulsory to write down something, but last time (for the Mendelssohn recital) it was a nice touch to read personal statements. It can give listeners a feel for the person behind the performance, and where they were 'at.' But these statements shouldn't be too long - perhaps up to 3 paragraphs or so, because there will be many of them!

Some wrote about their interpretation of the piece, while others wrote about issues/frustrations/insights developed during the process of preparing the piece - their learning 'journey'. Its up to the individual.


I know that the Op. 12 crowd is planning to write individual introductory stories.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/15/13 01:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Originally Posted By: Dipsy
Sinophilia - its not compulsory to write down something, but last time (for the Mendelssohn recital) it was a nice touch to read personal statements. It can give listeners a feel for the person behind the performance, and where they were 'at.' But these statements shouldn't be too long - perhaps up to 3 paragraphs or so, because there will be many of them!

Some wrote about their interpretation of the piece, while others wrote about issues/frustrations/insights developed during the process of preparing the piece - their learning 'journey'. Its up to the individual.


I know that the Op. 12 crowd is planning to write individual introductory stories.


And I know one member of the Op.12 crowd who has already written and submitted his smile
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/15/13 03:58 PM

Can I still make a few changes to it? Pretty please! grin
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/15/13 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Can I still make a few changes to it? Pretty please! grin


Of course! Just let me have the final version no later than 10 Sept!
Posted by: LadyChen

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/16/13 12:59 AM

Are there any unclaimed pieces? I have one, but I could probably take another if needed.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/16/13 04:14 AM

Originally Posted By: LadyChen
Are there any unclaimed pieces? I have one, but I could probably take another if needed.


LadyChen, all pieces are currently taken. Are you eager to find another of the Lyric pieces to play or simply offering to ease the burden on those of us who might be starting to feel over-stretched?

I ask because some of us have taken on three, four or even five pieces, and I think your answer might determine the response....
Posted by: yester

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/16/13 03:01 PM

Originally Posted By: LadyChen
Are there any unclaimed pieces? I have one, but I could probably take another if needed.


I would be happy if you would take the french serenade (op. 62 no 3) or / and grandmothers menuet op (68 no2).

The last one I have almost finished, the first one is half finished but three days ago my mother unexpectedly came to hospital and she struggles with death.
Since then I stopped playing- I try it every evening but I can't concentrate.

If no one take my pieces I will make a record anyway, because I don't want to let anyone down and I don't want to be the only person whose pieces are missing. I am new to this forum and this would be a worse start so I will try my best.
But I would be very grateful if you take one or both pieces.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/16/13 03:34 PM

yester, my sympathies are with you.
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/16/13 03:39 PM

Very sorry to hear about your mother, yester.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/16/13 03:41 PM

Yester, that's terrible news. You must take whatever time you need for yourself and your mother.

Let's see if LadyChen can help...
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/16/13 04:43 PM

Yester, I'm so sorry to hear about your mother. Please don't stress about the recital -- of course we understand that this is not the time for you to be thinking about Grieg.
Posted by: SwissMS

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/16/13 05:04 PM

Yester, I am so sorry to hear about your mother. Our thoughts are with you.
Posted by: hawgdriver

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/16/13 05:10 PM

I've been working on "Heimwarts," and it's about ready. Should I submit, or is this recital over?
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/16/13 05:16 PM

Take care Yester.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/16/13 10:19 PM

Originally Posted By: hawgdriver
I've been working on "Heimwarts," and it's about ready. Should I submit, or is this recital over?


I didn't want your post to get lost - this thread is pretty active!

Were you subbing for RagnHild? I know they were one of the people who was MIA and had signed up to do that piece. I believe you submit your pieces to the person in charge of your opus number, but I can't find who does Op.57. I'm sure they will get in touch with you to let you know the procedure.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/16/13 11:12 PM

hawgdriver, which opus and number are you referring to?
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/17/13 05:15 AM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
hawgdriver, which opus and number are you referring to?


Just to save time - I checked in my book and it would be "Homeward" Op 62 n6. My list shows Diretonic was down for that one.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/17/13 05:41 AM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
hawgdriver, which opus and number are you referring to?


Just to save time - I checked in my book and it would be "Homeward" Op 62 n6. My list shows Diretonic was down for that one.


That's right!

I started out with it then after a couple of changes of heart - and at the point when we could go for two pieces max - chose 57,1 Vanished days and 68,3 At your Feet.

Set free for takers, I think Morodiene then picked up Homeward as an overflow piece.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/17/13 06:24 AM

In case you have been wondering about whether we will manage to cover everything - worry not because the opleds have come up with a plan...

With a bit of sidestepping to allow hawgrinder to participate, and if Lady Chen can be persuaded to do Yester's other piece, (she offered to help yesterday) then we should still have everything covered. So fingers crossed.

And in case that plan can't be done, there is another possibility...

We'll keep you posted and once all the dust has settled there will be a definitive list.- for my sake, as much as anything else. Its hard to keep track of it all sometimes!
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/17/13 09:40 AM

Yester, I'm so sorry to hear about your mother. Please know that we care about you and pray for your strength during this time.
Posted by: yester

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/17/13 02:25 PM

Thanks a lot to all for the good wishes and prays.
This is an outstanding forum with great people inside.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/17/13 03:15 PM

Originally Posted By: yester
Thanks a lot to all for the good wishes and prays.
This is an outstanding forum with great people inside.
I can only imagine how difficult this is...praying for you and your family!
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/18/13 07:03 AM

My best wishes to you and your mon,Yester, so sorry to hear that.
Posted by: LadyChen

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/18/13 04:53 PM

Originally Posted By: yester


I would be happy if you would take the french serenade (op. 62 no 3) or / and grandmothers menuet op (68 no2).


I'd be happy to take no. 2.

Please take the time you need with your family!
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/19/13 08:59 AM

Originally Posted By: LadyChen
Originally Posted By: yester


I would be happy if you would take the french serenade (op. 62 no 3) or / and grandmothers menuet op (68 no2).


I'd be happy to take no. 2.

Please take the time you need with your family!
I'll do the French Serenade, but I do hope that you are able to submit the music that you put your hard work into at some point, when you are able.
Posted by: Ganddalf

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/19/13 12:47 PM

I have completed my recordings. What is the procedure now? To whom should I send the YouTube links?
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/19/13 01:01 PM

Sorry to hear your sad news Yester frown

Ganddalf, I think you just need to track down the Opus leaders to the pieces you chose, and send them the YT Link smile
Posted by: yester

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/19/13 03:14 PM

Thanks a lot, LadyChen and Morodine for taking my pieces.
You do a lot of extra work, I hope, I can return the favor one day.

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
I'll do the French Serenade, but I do hope that you are able to submit the music that you put your hard work into at some point, when you are able.


I hope so, too. At the moment my thoughts in my head are 24 hours double rotating,but I will do my very best.

Thanks again to all for the good wishes.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/19/13 04:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
I have completed my recordings. What is the procedure now? To whom should I send the YouTube links?


For Ganddalf and any others - to save you going back to look for the list:

OPLEDS:

12 Casinitaly
38:zrtf90
47:PianoStudent88
54:zrtf90/dipsy
57:PianoStudent88
65:PianoStudent88
68:Diretonic
71:AnneH

Don't forget that all contributors are asked to write a short text on what they learned/liked/suffered through in mastering their pieces!
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/20/13 09:34 AM

I'm uploading my video to Youtube smile
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/20/13 09:49 AM

Beat you to it. grin

... well, one down and one to be improved.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/20/13 11:58 AM

(Jumping up and down in highly animated and hysterical fashion)

"Opus 43!! Opus 43!!
Come to me!! Come to me!!"
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/20/13 03:26 PM

Grieg's music is all in the public domain, right?

I'm just making sure because I've uploaded one of my Grieg pieces to youtube and i already have a claim against it that says "matched 3rd party content". :\
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/20/13 03:53 PM

Why not try uploading under a simplified title? I`ve had no bother . . yet!
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/20/13 04:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Valencia
Grieg's music is all in the public domain, right?

I'm just making sure because I've uploaded one of my Grieg pieces to youtube and i already have a claim against it that says "matched 3rd party content". :\


I have faced this so many times over my son's recordings. There are a ton of music rights societies supposedly working on behalf of professional musicians. If YouTube's crude matching program "thinks" that your work sounds like a particular recording of Martha Argerich that is owned by EMI, it will allow EMI to slap that notice on your recording. This has nothing to do with Grieg being in the public domain. It's about 3rd party content.

Follow the dispute procedure and tell them that there is no 3rd party content. That it is your recording, of you, in your house, using your recording equipment. Then EMI will have to judge your claim. Usually, they release it. I have had to fight them repeatedly, and sometimes heatedly.

Once, I actually got Norman Lebrecht to publicly embarrass EMI on his website. Through that process, I found the email of a lawyer at EMI, and he "fixed it" for me. Of course, a few months later some other society (Orchard, I think) claimed the recording on behalf of a completely different pianist. And I fought them off. Never ending process.

Here's the Lebrecht involvement, BTW. It was fun!

This is David's Boy, not Barenboim
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/20/13 04:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
If YouTube's crude matching program "thinks" that your work sounds like a particular recording of Martha Argerich...


Wow, that would be quite an achievement! Won't happen to me grin
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/20/13 04:33 PM

Yes, but the matching program is indeed verrrrrrrrry crude. My fourteen year old was accused of being Daniel Barenboim. Imagine my surprise.
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/20/13 04:37 PM

Thanks so much peter and Piano*Dad. I tried what you suggested peter but it kept up with the matched 3rd party content. So I will do what Piano*Dad suggests and dispute the claim.

it's pretty ridiculous because when you hear my recording you will hear that it sounds like someone learning to play the piano who still needs a lot of practice--nothing professional-sounding about it!

Thanks for the link Piano*Dad, I will check it out!
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/20/13 04:58 PM

The dispute process will ask if you have proof of rights to use the content. That's NOT what you say, and not the box you check off. You are disputing that there IS 3rd party content. It's 100% your own content, of a piece in the public domain.
Posted by: ten left thumbs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/20/13 05:03 PM

Too late to join in? I recently worked up To the Spring (43,6). Any good? No worries if someone else is already covering it.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/20/13 05:06 PM

Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs
Too late to join in? I recently worked up To the Spring (43,6). Any good? No worries if someone else is already covering it.


I checked the list and see that Carey has been working on that one.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/20/13 05:07 PM

By the way folks, in case you didn't know, I'm opled for opus62, and Richard is opled for opus 54 and 38
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/20/13 05:54 PM

And if any opus 43-ers are looking in (Beric, Wisebuff, Allard and Carey) . . how ya getting` on, guys?

Processing this stuff is going to be fun . . . hope y`all have a sense o` humour . . .and truckloads o` patience . .
Posted by: ten left thumbs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 03:21 AM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs
Too late to join in? I recently worked up To the Spring (43,6). Any good? No worries if someone else is already covering it.


I checked the list and see that Carey has been working on that one.



OK, thanks for letting me know.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 05:40 AM

ALL HANDS ON DECK PLEASE! WE NEED YOU!


Beric, who was to do 5 pieces, and had them ready to be recorded had to have an emergency operation on his right hand yesterday and won't be able to take part in the recital (unless he plays just the left hand parts!!)

We now need homes for FIVE TWO pieces, so any of you looking on from the sidelines who wanted to take part, but found that nothing suitable was left, - here' your chance to be a hero/heroine

The pieces are:

OPUS 43 no 1 - Butterfly (its a beauty) taken by Morodiene
OPUS 54 no 1 - Shepherd's Boy
OPUS 57 no4 - Secret
OPUS 62 no 4 - Brooklet taken by Morodiene
OPUS 68 no 6 - Melancholy Waltz.taken by Carey

We've become a strong supportive community over the last few months - but now its being tested as never before. Lets show how a band of - desparate piano players scattered across the globe, can come together as a team as never before to face the challenge.

(Winston Churchill eat your heart out - 'we shall fight them on the beaches, we shall fight them in their privvies (no, not really - just cracking up!)...... )

Posted by: CarlosCC

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 06:50 AM

Oh... I hope Beric recovers quickly.
And I'm sorry Dipsy, I understand your request, but I can't help this time...
Good luck!
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 06:59 AM

I thought we were doing private youtube. The 3rd party content shouldn't come up then should it? Peter, I could use the refresher "step by step" on uploading if you have one handy. I use youtube so infrequently that I have to relearn each time.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 08:21 AM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
ALL HANDS ON DECK PLEASE! WE NEED YOU!


Beric, who was to do 5 pieces, and had them ready to be recorded had to have an emergency operation on his right hand yesterday and won't be able to take part in the recital (unless he plays just the left hand parts!!)

We now need homes for FIVE pieces, so any of you looking on from the sidelines who wanted to take part, but found that nothing suitable was left, - here' your chance to be a hero/heroine

The pieces are:

OPUS 43 no 1 - Butterfly (its a beauty)
OPUS 54 no 1 - Shepherd's Boy
OPUS 57 no4 - Secret
OPUS 62 no 4 - Brooklet
OPUS 68 no 6 - Melancholy Waltz.

We've become a strong supportive community over the last few months - but now its being tested as never before. Lets show how a band of disparate piano players scattered across the globe, can come together as a team as never before to face the challenge.

(Winston Churchill eat your heart out - 'we shall fight them on the beaches, we shall fight them in their privvies (no, not really - just cracking up!)...... )

Oh no! Please let Beric know that I'm praying for his speedy recovery!

I was just thinking last night that the more of these Grieg pieces I do, the more I enjoy playing them. I was also thinking that I have worked on 8 lyric pieces (including ones I had played prior to this recital), and that it would be kind of cool to try to play and record them all over a period of a year or something. So I'm happy to help where needed. The only concern is that I'm moving back to FL next weekend, so that will be a few days without any practice. Still, I think I can help out.

These are all tricky pieces, though. I can do Butterfly and Brooklet. smile
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 08:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Dipsy
ALL HANDS ON DECK PLEASE! WE NEED YOU!


Beric, who was to do 5 pieces, and had them ready to be recorded had to have an emergency operation on his right hand yesterday and won't be able to take part in the recital (unless he plays just the left hand parts!!)

We now need homes for FIVE pieces, so any of you looking on from the sidelines who wanted to take part, but found that nothing suitable was left, - here' your chance to be a hero/heroine

The pieces are:

OPUS 43 no 1 - Butterfly (its a beauty)
OPUS 54 no 1 - Shepherd's Boy
OPUS 57 no4 - Secret
OPUS 62 no 4 - Brooklet
OPUS 68 no 6 - Melancholy Waltz.

We've become a strong supportive community over the last few months - but now its being tested as never before. Lets show how a band of disparate piano players scattered across the globe, can come together as a team as never before to face the challenge.

(Winston Churchill eat your heart out - 'we shall fight them on the beaches, we shall fight them in their privvies (no, not really - just cracking up!)...... )

Oh no! Please let Beric know that I'm praying for his speedy recovery!

I was just thinking last night that the more of these Grieg pieces I do, the more I enjoy playing them. I was also thinking that I have worked on 8 lyric pieces (including ones I had played prior to this recital), and that it would be kind of cool to try to play and record them all over a period of a year or something. So I'm happy to help where needed. The only concern is that I'm moving back to FL next weekend, so that will be a few days without any practice. Still, I think I can help out.

These are all tricky pieces, though. I can do Butterfly and Brooklet. smile


BUTTERFLY AND BROOKLET Going once, going twice, GONE to the lady in Florida!


THANK YOU Morodiene!!!!!


Remaining pieces:
OPUS 54 no 1 - Shepherd's Boy
OPUS 57 no4 - Secret
OPUS 68 no 6 - Melancholy Waltz.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 09:37 AM

For years I've wanted to learn the Holberg Suite, but never really felt ready for it. If I'm not ready after this, I don't know what it would take! laugh
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 09:54 AM

Hmm, I have a question about pedaling for the French Serenade, op 62 No 3. Does anyone have an edition other than Peters (Dover) for this? That is the only one available on imslp.org as well.

Here's the edition I'm looking at, it's the 3rd piece:

http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usim...s_8184_scan.pdf

In measure 3, Grieg clearly indicates the LH play a two-note slur and making the 2nd note staccato. However, there is a pedal marking for the entire measure. This is pretty consistent throughout the piece except in instances where the chord changes mid-measure (i.e., m. 4). Still, there is no Pedal up marking to indicate the staccato should be heard. Judging from his other pieces, the pedal markings are pretty specific/precise - as in m.12 of this piece, where he clearly wants a lift before the next idea with no pedal.

I've listened to recordings of this done fairly dry and I don't care for it, but I was wondering if another edition perhaps indicated it should be that way.
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 10:20 AM

Beric, if you're reading this post, you already know I wish you a speedy recovery.

Thanks Morodiene, you're always so generous. I'm sorry, but I can't give you any advice about your pedaling question, as I only use those artifacts by ear. But who knows, maybe I'll be able to offer a good piece of advice on the piano someday smile
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 10:54 AM

My edition is the Dover...same as yours Morodiene.. sorry.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 11:14 AM

I have the Dover, some opuses in the Schirmer's Edition and individual pieces in Edition Peters. I think the Peters has Grieg's own wishes. There's no difference between pedal markings in the Schirmer editions.

Where Grieg wants a deliberate lift as in MM13 & 15 he puts one in. In MM4, 6 and 8 I don't think he wants a deliberate lift just a change before the next pedal.

If you compare other pieces you'll find Grieg often has staccato markings with the pedal full on.

Hat's off to you for taking on the extra load!
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 11:21 AM

Schirmer. It was so cheap I'm surprised they included all the notes. But the markings are as yours.

Nokelberg seems to play bar 3 (and similar, LH solo) pedalling twice in the bar leaving only the tiniest breath after the roots, not really staccato. After that, once the melody starts, he plays pedal as written in your copy, giving all the roots an audible light stacatto so he's only using the pedal to join the chord with its following root. He's also playing a lot of the LH chords with a light roll. I really like it but it's not written.

I would definitely do your own thing!
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 11:22 AM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
I have the Dover, some opuses in the Schirmer's Edition and individual pieces in Edition Peters. I think the Peters has Grieg's own wishes. There's no difference between pedal markings in the Schirmer editions.

Where Grieg wants a deliberate lift as in MM13 & 15 he puts one in. In MM4, 6 and 8 I don't think he wants a deliberate lift just a change before the next pedal.

If you compare other pieces you'll find Grieg often has staccato markings with the pedal full on.

Hat's off to you for taking on the extra load!

This is what I was thinking, but I had heard a professional recording done where they lifted the pedal. I think he was trying to honor the two-note slur indications over the pedal markings. However, I do believe that pianos back then didn't have as much sustain (although not terribly different from today's piano), so perhaps there would be an audible difference in playing the two-note slurs while pedaling. I may experiment with half-pedaling when I get back to my acoustic piano in 2 weeks to see what works.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 11:27 AM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
Schirmer. It was so cheap I'm surprised they included all the notes. But the markings are as yours.

Nokelberg seems to play bar 3 (and similar, LH solo) pedalling twice in the bar leaving only the tiniest breath after the roots, not really staccato. After that, once the melody starts, he plays pedal as written in your copy, giving all the roots an audible light stacatto so he's only using the pedal to join the chord with its following root. He's also playing a lot of the LH chords with a light roll. I really like it but it's not written.

I would definitely do your own thing!
Oh, I love this! The rolled chords are within the style of playing at the time of Grieg, and if you listen to recordings of Grieg playing his own stuff you can hear that in it. I just wasn't able to find Grieg playing this particular piece.

I think the way Nokelberg plays this he does get that sense of the two note slurs, but he is pedaling, so I'm thinking perhaps the half/partial-pedaling idea will work. Thanks!
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 11:28 AM

Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
I thought we were doing private youtube. The 3rd party content shouldn't come up then should it? Peter, I could use the refresher "step by step" on uploading if you have one handy. I use youtube so infrequently that I have to relearn each time.

Unlisted, not private. (Private only shows to specific people you've invited. Unlisted shows to anyone who has the URL, but doesn't show up in Youtube searches.)
Posted by: carey

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 11:34 AM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Dipsy
ALL HANDS ON DECK PLEASE! WE NEED YOU!


Beric, who was to do 5 pieces, and had them ready to be recorded had to have an emergency operation on his right hand yesterday and won't be able to take part in the recital (unless he plays just the left hand parts!!)

We now need homes for FIVE pieces, so any of you looking on from the sidelines who wanted to take part, but found that nothing suitable was left, - here' your chance to be a hero/heroine

The pieces are:

OPUS 43 no 1 - Butterfly (its a beauty)
OPUS 54 no 1 - Shepherd's Boy
OPUS 57 no4 - Secret
OPUS 62 no 4 - Brooklet
OPUS 68 no 6 - Melancholy Waltz.

We've become a strong supportive community over the last few months - but now its being tested as never before. Lets show how a band of disparate piano players scattered across the globe, can come together as a team as never before to face the challenge.

(Winston Churchill eat your heart out - 'we shall fight them on the beaches, we shall fight them in their privvies (no, not really - just cracking up!)...... )

Oh no! Please let Beric know that I'm praying for his speedy recovery!

I was just thinking last night that the more of these Grieg pieces I do, the more I enjoy playing them. I was also thinking that I have worked on 8 lyric pieces (including ones I had played prior to this recital), and that it would be kind of cool to try to play and record them all over a period of a year or something. So I'm happy to help where needed. The only concern is that I'm moving back to FL next weekend, so that will be a few days without any practice. Still, I think I can help out.

These are all tricky pieces, though. I can do Butterfly and Brooklet. smile


BUTTERFLY AND BROOKLET Going once, going twice, GONE to the lady in Florida!


THANK YOU Morodiene!!!!!


Remaining pieces:
OPUS 54 no 1 - Shepherd's Boy
OPUS 57 no4 - Secret
OPUS 68 no 6 - Melancholy Waltz.


I'll tackle the Melancholy Waltz.

And if for some reason Morodiene decides she can't do the Butterfly, I can record it as well since I already have it memorized. grin
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 11:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
The rolled chords are within the style of playing at the time of Grieg, and if you listen to recordings of Grieg playing his own stuff you can hear that in it.


Interesting, I hadn't realised it was a style thing. I'd certainly heard Nokelberg doing the roll here and there in other pieces. He's sometimes a bit too brisk but I love the way he plays Grieg.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 11:42 AM

Originally Posted By: carey

I'll tackle the Melancholy Waltz.


that's good news carey, I'd offered myself up as understudy so you've saved me a job.

Quote:

And if for some reason Morodiene decides she can't do the Butterfly, I can record it as well since I already have it memorized. grin


- I was only thinking, it's such a popular piece, there could be a queue forming...
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 12:07 PM

thanks everyone for your kind words. Dad is chomping at the bit and so frustrated to be unable to play - he's fine apart from his right hand. I will pass on what you say to him and I think he'd be very touched by your good wishes.

Morodiene - thank you so much for taking on so many pieces to help us.

Off to check out shepherd's boy and secret to see if I can help...
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 12:50 PM

Originally Posted By: carey


And if for some reason Morodiene decides she can't do the Butterfly, I can record it as well since I already have it memorized. grin


Maybe keep it in your fingers just in case it's not up to snuff by the time the deadline hits! smile

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
Interesting, I hadn't realised it was a style thing. I'd certainly heard Nokelberg doing the roll here and there in other pieces. He's sometimes a bit too brisk but I love the way he plays Grieg.
I agree I'm not fond of his tempo choices, a bit too fast so you lose some of the nuances of the harmonies and makes it sounds a bit on the frantic side.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 05:37 PM

Am very sorry to say that I've looked over both of the last 2 pieces - shepherd's boy and secret and I don't feel able to do either one (unless I get Beric to play the left hand while I play the right - and even then I don't think it would be pretty. When I suggested this though, he just laughed at the idea).

Can any of you do it? Or if you can't, can you put your thinking caps on and ask around please? We are so near (again) to getting the full set, and we've already overcome several setbacks. To get this far and at the last moment have to appeal to those outside ABF to bale us out would be such a shame...



....
Posted by: patH

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 05:44 PM

Ok, I'll take the plunge and apply for "Shepherd's Boy".
I listened to a YouTube recording and didn't hear much of the music.
But it sounded more accessible to me than "Secret".

The deadline is September 10th, right? That means less than three weeks. A real challenge. But fortunately, the Scherzo op.54/5 wasn't that hard.
Maybe I'll do a recording of the Scherzo this weekend, so I can focus on the shepherd...
Posted by: carey

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 06:30 PM

And I'll take the plunge and do "Secret." Should sound fine on my piano.

smile
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 07:14 PM

Wonderful, thank you patH and carey.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/21/13 07:24 PM

There y`are, Dipsey! A result already! Back on track . . . ."I hear that train a`comin`, Coming down the track . . "The Grieg Special" AND it`s on time! How good`s that??
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/22/13 02:21 AM

I am amazed at how quickly Beric's pieces were rescued!!!

Three cheers for Morodiene, PatH and Carey!
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/22/13 04:38 AM

Oh, what a shame, they're all taken eh? I would have taken 2 or 3 myself... smokin




grin
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/22/13 04:38 AM

Here, here- thank you PatH, Carey and Morodiene (again) - I love you guys!

That is such a relief, and Dad will be delighted. Peter, I think I can hear 'The Grieg Special' train coming as well (but shhhhhhh.....I don't want to tempt fate...)!
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/23/13 11:53 AM

Had my first lesson of the fall yesterday, and I played "Gade" for my teacher. I've been learning it totally on my own - turns out that wasn't such a good thing.

So I have wrong notes in a chord. A big one - in fact, it's right at the climax near the end. This has happened to me before - I blame it on my tired old eyes. The chord I was playing sounded reasonable, but close is not good enough I guess.

And I've already recorded it - so I'll have to try and re-record if I have time.

Sam
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/23/13 01:11 PM

I feel your pain.

I got what I thought was a good (and final) take on my Op. 38. Afterward, I listened to some pro recordings for comparison. I have the right tempo, I prefer my version to some ..... and then I heard it .... I added a rest where one isn't. I had lengthened a measure by a beat. Oooops.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/23/13 01:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
I feel your pain.

I got what I thought was a good (and final) take on my Op. 38. Afterward, I listened to some pro recordings for comparison. I have the right tempo, I prefer my version to some ..... and then I heard it .... I added a rest where one isn't. I had lengthened a measure by a beat. Oooops.


I say...Leave it! (We can have a contest to see if anyone can actually spot it! smile )


Sam.... how infuriating - but you can get it sorted out - there's still a great chunk of time available!
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/23/13 06:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
I feel your pain.

I got what I thought was a good (and final) take on my Op. 38. Afterward, I listened to some pro recordings for comparison. I have the right tempo, I prefer my version to some ..... and then I heard it .... I added a rest where one isn't. I had lengthened a measure by a beat. Oooops.
We call that a "dramatic pause". wink
Posted by: patH

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/23/13 06:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Sam S
Had my first lesson of the fall yesterday, and I played "Gade" for my teacher. I've been learning it totally on my own - turns out that wasn't such a good thing.

So I have wrong notes in a chord. A big one - in fact, it's right at the climax near the end. This has happened to me before - I blame it on my tired old eyes. The chord I was playing sounded reasonable, but close is not good enough I guess.

And I've already recorded it - so I'll have to try and re-record if I have time.

Sam


I can relate to this.

I learned the Scherzo op.54/5 also on my own, and last week decided to listen to the recording posted here. Eye-opening result: I have learned two false notes at places where you can hear them, and a missed repetition. Luckily I have not made the recording yet.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/23/13 11:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
I feel your pain.

I got what I thought was a good (and final) take on my Op. 38. Afterward, I listened to some pro recordings for comparison. I have the right tempo, I prefer my version to some ..... and then I heard it .... I added a rest where one isn't. I had lengthened a measure by a beat. Oooops.


Well, if you listen to the recording first, you might never have a go . .some of the Grieg pieces are mental . . .if you miss some notes in one piece, put some extra in the next. Who can stop you? Nobody`d know . . .!
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/23/13 11:15 PM

"If you compare other pieces you'll find Grieg often has staccato markings with the pedal full on."

I wondered about that. And then assumed they had no word in Norwegian appropriating to "Middle Pedal" What an excuse if I ever needed one!

Middle pedal - Full on!
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/24/13 05:33 AM

I have a satisfactory recording!!!

I think that in the future I may be able to better, but ...I have to say I'm pretty pleased with this result.

whew! What a relief!

Does anyone else feel a different stress in this recital than in the others? In the ordinary recitals I feel like - ok, this is me and I hope I'm better than last time.
For this recital I've been feeling - yikes, I hope I am not going to let the team down!

Anyway... it's a done deal now.

I will work on the video later- I've got some fun ideas smile
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/24/13 05:52 AM

Definitely, I felt some pressure for this recital. Well everybody knows my level, but still I didn't want to put out something intolerable and unlistenable, especially since I had three months to prepare it.
Posted by: SwissMS

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/24/13 09:21 AM

Yes I think there definitely was a feeling of pressure to do the best possible for this themed recital. The other reality is though, that a lot of people were pushed outside their comfort level by the pieces they had chosen. That make it even more of a struggle to get a recording that one is happy with!

Just like the quarterly recitals, though, this is just an example of where each of us is at in our piano journeys. The results may not sound like the pros, but I think we each put forth our best effort!

I have both of my pieces recorded, and I am happy with the results. In time they might be better, but they represent my skill level at this time. Both pieces turned out to be great learning experiences!
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/24/13 09:37 AM

Originally Posted By: SwissMS
Yes I think there definitely was a feeling of pressure to do the best possible for this themed recital. The other reality is though, that a lot of people were pushed outside their comfort level by the pieces they had chosen. That make it even more of a struggle to get a recording that one is happy with!

Just like the quarterly recitals, though, this is just an example of where each of us is at in our piano journeys. The results may not sound like the pros, but I think we each put forth our best effort!

I have both of my pieces recorded, and I am happy with the results. In time they might be better, but they represent my skill level at this time. Both pieces turned out to be great learning experiences!


I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Though my piece is one of the simplest in the collection, there were bits that were tricky for me --- there were moments when I thought I wouldn't be able to do it! So what is great fun is that yes, it is a reflection of what I can do "now". But what I can do now is a lot more than I could do when I took on this piece!

(My husband noted that he liked my new ability to play so delicately and then so dramatically! )

I feel right chuffed about this and I am hoping to play for a "physically present" audience in the near future when we have friends over!
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/24/13 09:39 AM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly
I have a satisfactory recording!!!

I think that in the future I may be able to better, but ...I have to say I'm pretty pleased with this result.

whew! What a relief!

Does anyone else feel a different stress in this recital than in the others? In the ordinary recitals I feel like - ok, this is me and I hope I'm better than last time.
For this recital I've been feeling - yikes, I hope I am not going to let the team down!

Anyway... it's a done deal now.

I will work on the video later- I've got some fun ideas smile
I'm al most ready to record two of my 5 pieces. It's just a debate I have going on with myself if I can wait a bit longer and do it better, but I have the other 3 that would be nice to focus on. One piece the memory is a bit off in one section so I'd really like to solidify that, but playing-wise I may be able to get a good take.

The other thing is I only have my digital right now to record on, so for the sound I may want to use a VST (software piano sound) instead of what I have. Of course, I could do that and then if I'm not happy with it I could try again when I return to my acoustic grand....so many decisions to make!

But as far as being stressed out, I really like having the deadline. It forces me to work a piece to performance level and really motivates me to stretch myself.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/24/13 09:53 AM

Most of us know each others abilities or can guess really quickly. I've never been disappointed by a recording in an ABF recital or in the piano bar. I think it's clear that the performer is doing their best and that's really appreciated.

No-one here that I'm aware of expects anything more than enthusiastic participation. I'm trying to think why else we're doing this.

ETA: That's my performance excused! smile
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/24/13 10:59 AM

I made comments this ABF recital on how people could improve. Or at least, how I though they could play even better. I hope people received these comments in the spirit they were given. I tried to be encouraging and positive with where people were at. And only gave suggestions when people said they were open to them. Clearly, we are all putting ourselves out there and take a risk when we share our playing. But, being in the same boat as each other, I would hope we're all a bit more accepting of the differences in each's abilities. Overall, I have found PW and ABF especially, to be very supportive and just generally a great experience. It's nice to finally have some peers with whom to discuss and share things. I think it's understood that we are all doing the best we can at any given time. Sure we want to improve. That's why we practice!!! But, where we're at is where we're at. No judgement implied. None of us are pros!!!
Posted by: patH

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/25/13 02:07 PM

I managed a recording of the Scherzo op.54/5, and uploaded it to my YouTube-Channel.
Decent enough to recognize the piece, I hope.
When submission date arrives, I'll upload the MP3.

Since I have yet to learn the Shepherd's Boy, I will stick with this version of the Scherzo, I guess.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/25/13 02:42 PM

patH, congratulations on having recorded. For the themed recitals, you just send the YouTube video link to your opus leader. No mp3 needed.

This is different from the ABF recitals, where an mp3 is required.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/25/13 03:59 PM

Regarding Opus 65 Number 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy), I have two questions.

1. m. 7 vs. m. 13. Mm. 4-9 are in B minor. Mm. 10-15 are a perfect real imitation in F# minor, except for the second bass clef note of m. 7 (C#) vs. m. 13 (G). To make the imitation perfect, I would expect either C natural in m. 7 or G# in m. 13. Is this discrepancy (C# and G natural) deliberate?

2. M. 6 "cresc. e stretto" vs. mm. 17-18 "cresc. string." What is the difference between stretto and stringendo? I have always thought of them both as "growing faster and louder", but my web search tells me that louder isn't part of the definition (ok), and that stretto is "faster" while stringendo is "growing faster" (hmmmm). They're both parts of speech of the Italian verb stringere: stretto is a past participle and stringendo is a gerund. So does this mean in the stretto passage I should abruptly get faster, while in the stringendo passage I should stretch it out? And how are either of these different from a garden variety accelerando?
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/25/13 05:12 PM

I'm taking advantage of Dad's (better ) piano for my recordings, and the chance to get some coaching. So with him (Beric) here - I've asked for his advice on your questions and he says:

"Question 1
There is no discrepancy, compare the LH in bars (measures) 7,8 and 9 with bars 13,14 and 15: with the exception of bass bar 13 leaping down an augmented 6th instead of a major 6th as in bar 7.

Question 2
'Stringendo' - to perform with more tension, and specifically, faster: often to indicate the development towards some climax. The past participle of the same word is stretto.

'stretto' - means 'serre' tight, and is very often placed to indicate that one should make the beats tight or short and consequently very fast.(producing a hurried effect)

Source: the new grove dictionary of music

In the OCM, the definitions are:
stretto - means drawn together - accelerando

stringendo - means PROGRESSIVELY quickening/squeezing

so take your pick - it looks like the differences could be infinitessimal - so I'm not sure if that helps at all.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/25/13 05:40 PM

Thanks, Dipsy and Beric.
Originally Posted By: Dipsy channeling Beric
There is no discrepancy, compare the LH in bars (measures) 7,8 and 9 with bars 13,14 and 15: with the exception of bass bar 13 leaping down an augmented 6th instead of a major 6th as in bar 7.

(My emphasis.). It's that single note exception which I'm asking about. Everything else is the same except for that single note. I'm wondering why that single note is different, or if it's an error in the score.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/25/13 05:55 PM

- I'd hazard a guess that Grieg has never written a transposed phrase with such a tiny alteration so on that basis it's an error in the score.

Austbo plays G# in bar 13, Nokleberg plays G nat, as written. We'll never know which is correct (both maj 6 or aug 6)
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/25/13 06:19 PM

I would play G#. All the G's from M10 are sharpened from the modulation to the dominant and put it down to poor proofreading.

Did you pick it up from the sound or from analysis?
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/25/13 06:27 PM

Ha, me pick something up from the sound? Rotfl.

No, I picked it up because when I was focusing on learning those two measures and comparing what they felt like, I noticed that one measure had a half step between fingers 4 and 5 and the other measure had a whole step.

I'm really impressed that dire tonic can tell who is playing which note just by listening.
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/25/13 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
I'm really impressed that dire tonic can tell who is playing which note just by listening.
It's mind blowing. The first post I remember reading of his was quite remarkable. He picked out a G and a Gb or something in the one chord. You would have gone for an F# but he just gets the note. Amazing.

Bloody frightening when you're preparing recordings for him though! The Grieg recital has kept me from revising my Notturno (I felt it wasn't politic to continue while someone else was planning to submit it) but it's done wonders for me.
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/26/13 02:54 AM

On reflection, I think you might be able to capitalise on this; playing it the Nokleberg way (as written, with the inconsistency) could help to sharpen your perception of interval. Enough repetition and something about the difference is likely to register even if it’s not precisely measured.

How to hear the difference.

Nokelberg, 56 secs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMhlEMqi7M4

You should be able to hear the semitone drop from G nat to F# in the bass. If you hover your cursor and keep clicking in one spot you can get quick repetitions.


Austbo, 50 secs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu7QKlxL-cE&list=PLsqrYPvK4yP4GZXuywnz7mN1o3wnyyaGY&index=50

He’s hammering the RH here making the interval harder to hear so use another method to get at it. Together with the tied LH E#, his G# and the RH C#, you’re playing a C# major, fleetingly. You should be able to hear… it sounds quite sweet, sugary compared to the G nat.

The more I hear the two versions, the more I like the difference.

This is a challenging piece, to say the least!!
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/26/13 09:00 AM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
On reflection, I think you might be able to capitalise on this; playing it the Nokleberg way (as written, with the inconsistency) could help to sharpen your perception of interval. Enough repetition and something about the difference is likely to register even if it’s not precisely measured.

How to hear the difference.

Nokelberg, 56 secs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMhlEMqi7M4

You should be able to hear the semitone drop from G nat to F# in the bass. If you hover your cursor and keep clicking in one spot you can get quick repetitions.


Austbo, 50 secs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu7QKlxL-cE&list=PLsqrYPvK4yP4GZXuywnz7mN1o3wnyyaGY&index=50

He’s hammering the RH here making the interval harder to hear so use another method to get at it. Together with the tied LH E#, his G# and the RH C#, you’re playing a C# major, fleetingly. You should be able to hear… it sounds quite sweet, sugary compared to the G nat.

The more I hear the two versions, the more I like the difference.

This is a challenging piece, to say the least!!
A couple of things to consider:

1) This idea is actually repeated in octaves in the original key 2 more times after that, lending validity to the idea that it should be a G# in m. 13

2) Is the score Urtext? I'm only aware of 3 versions of the complete lyric pieces (and chances are this one wasn't published in a collection of other pieces like the more popular ones): Peters (Dover), Schirmer, and Henle. If anyone has the Henle and would like to let us know what they see, that would help tremendously, as I have found them to be more accurate than the other two

3) The difference in sound is minimal, IMO, so I'd go with whichever you prefer, or if you have no preference in sound, whatever feels best/easiest. My guess would be the G# considering you have to play the bottom F# with it.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/26/13 09:10 AM

Thanks for all the replies.

Given that this is the only F#m version in the piece, I am (perhaps perversely) drawn to playing the anomalous note as written just on that basis: to mark it out as unique. I know, I know, a completely silly reason to choose a note.

I'll try listening to it both ways and see if I can hear if I like one way better than the other.

Or maybe I will pick one of the two notes at random and see if anyone can tell which I picked smile .

In all seriousness, thank you for the ideas. You've all given me several angles to think about.

Morodiene, I have the Peters edition.
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/27/13 09:36 PM

Can anyone help me to figure out what key "Peace of the Woods" Op. 71, No.4 is in? There are 5 sharps in the key signature: FCGDA are all sharp. but then on another site the piece was listed as being in F sharp major, which I thought had 6 sharps.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/27/13 10:05 PM

You're right that F# major has 6 sharps. Op. 71 No. 4 ends with a series of B major chords, and has 5 sharps in the key signature, so I would say it is in B major. The opening is a ii V I progression in B major: C#m F# B. This is interesting, to put a standard closing set of chords as the opening.

Can you provide a link to the site where it is listed as being in F# major?
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/27/13 10:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Valencia
Can anyone help me to figure out what key "Peace of the Woods" Op. 71, No.4 is in? There are 5 sharps in the key signature: FCGDA are all sharp. but then on another site the piece was listed as being in F sharp major, which I thought had 6 sharps.

I only had a few minutes to look at it. It has F# to B chords in the beginning a few times and has a strong B major sound, and it ends with a B major chord. It seems to be in B major.
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/27/13 10:41 PM

Thanks PianoStudent88 and keystring, smile You are right the piece is in B major. The F# major must just be an error in the listing of it on this site:

http://www.pianostreet.com/grieg-sheet-music/lyric-pieces/

I will have to get back to learning the musical analysis. This piece in particular was difficult for me because I did not understand the key changes throughout the piece which made it extremely challenging. haha...you will hear that at the recital. smile
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/30/13 04:32 AM

Its gone very quiet hasn't it? That is, at least on this thread- though I suspect in the homes of our recital participants, its a different story - with (sometimes frantic) practising and recording attempts. I suppose some people are still on holiday too..

Rossy (yes Rossy - he's still alive and kicking) agreed to help me with 2 of my 3 recordings yesterday. So in the space of a few hours I had a few takes, then picked the best recordings out of 3. Not perfect, but its such a relief to have completed them - giving me more time learn the Nocturne more thoroughly.

But I suspect many of you are more interested in Rossy. My gut feeling is that he'll reappear on pianoworld. He's doing well, and very busy, though without internet access at present. If/when he does reappear I'm sure those of you who remember him will be very pleased to welcome him back. Things haven't been the same without him, have they?

Now I have to write something to go with my pieces, and I'll try to follow some advice I gave - 'imagine you're talking to a friend about your experience learning the piece'. That should help me dodge the dual temptations of trying to sound technically knowledgeable (which I would be doomed to fail at anyway)- because I don't want to try to impress, and explaining/excusing all the errors - because I have nothing to be ashamed of. For me, my challenge in writing my 2-3 paragraphs is to be open and show something of the human being learning the piece.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/30/13 05:05 AM

I re-recorded "Gade", since I had one of the chords wrong. It still has mistakes in it, but they are slips and accidents, which are acceptable. Playing the wrong notes because I misread the music is not!

I still have to polish and record "Hjemve". I'm encouraged by the fact that I can play the section with so many sharps and accidentals without looking at my right hand - just feeling my way around the keyboard. When did that happen? It's a skill that just sort of happened without my realizing it.

Sam
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/30/13 07:50 AM

Playing the wrong notes so people don`t notice is an art form. . . If they do notice, a grin which says "who spotted the deliberate mistake?" might be the best for damage limitation. . . better still if everyone (including piano player) is comfortably inebriated . . .
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/30/13 08:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy

Now I have to write something to go with my pieces, and I'll try to follow some advice I gave - 'imagine you're talking to a friend about your experience learning the piece'. That should help me dodge the dual temptations of trying to sound technically knowledgeable (which I would be doomed to fail at anyway)- because I don't want to try to impress, and explaining/excusing all the errors - because I have nothing to be ashamed of. For me, my challenge in writing my 2-3 paragraphs is to be open and show something of the human being learning the piece.


The grinding tedium of trying to practise something that doesn't fall naturally under my fingers has stripped me of most of my humanity so I'll probably have to stick with pretending to be knowledgeable!

Please to hear Rossy's in good shape, looking forward to the return of his off-beat perspectives.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/30/13 09:13 AM

Rossy is missed, and you can tell him not coming back is not an option, or there's a riding crop in his near future!

My digital piano is packed up, so the only chance of practicing I'll get is possibly tonight at my parent's if they're not there when we arrive. Then we're on the road for the next two days, but when we arrive in FL on Sunday I'll be able to practice on my Petrof! Yay!! I'm hoping that will magically improve my playing, because there are all kinds of wrong notes happening right now that I'm not sure what to do about.

The main problem lies in the Halling. Despite really working the one section after the glissando, it's still hit or miss. If I make it through, I have to do it on the repeat, and so far twice in a row has yet to happen! And it's not like I can do a Plan B on this section, because if I'm off on one note, the rest of the entire section gets off. I can't spare a moment to look at my RH and correct it, because the LH is too busy being a spaz jumping octaves! This is one of those times I wish I had eyes like a gecko.

I thought about what may possibly be causing the problems in the RH, and it may be because the LH has to do these large leaps that when I play up to tempo, I lose my balance. At slow tempos, I'm pretty grounded and the RH keeps me stable, but I think when it's up to tempo then all of a sudden my RH starts lifting off the keys too much like the LH. It's just a thought and one I'll have to look at when I'm back at the piano again in a couple of days. I'm hoping a solution is soon in coming!

All of the other pieces are coming along fine. From the Early Years is ready to record, and once I can get that and Halling recorded, I'll focus on memorizing the other pieces.

I may forgo memorization on French Serenade, but we'll have to see.

Butterfly is just lovely, and while I won't bring it up to break-neck speed, I think it will sound suitably fluttery. Did you know that a group of butterflies is called a flutter?

The Brooklet I think is misnamed and sounds more like a winter wind or something. There are no pedal markings except at the very end ehre, but I may disobey that order. I am loving all these pieces smile
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/30/13 09:55 AM

I watched my son's teacher work with him on Debussy's prelude (from Suite pour le Piano). It has a nasty set of glissandi in the RH, with the left hand moving in downward octaves at the low end of the piano at precise points during each gliss. She just had him work the LH until the jump distances were completely in muscle memory so he could focus his attention on the interaction between the octave jumps and the timing of the glissando.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/30/13 10:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
I watched my son's teacher work with him on Debussy's prelude (from Suite pour le Piano). It has a nasty set of glissandi in the RH, with the left hand moving in downward octaves at the low end of the piano at precise points during each gliss. She just had him work the LH until the jump distances were completely in muscle memory so he could focus his attention on the interaction between the octave jumps and the timing of the glissando.

Hmm, I wonder if I just not look at the LH and focus on the RH...I'll give it a try. Those octave leaps are pretty far, but maybe I know the feeling well enough to not have to look.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/30/13 11:30 AM

Yes, and you could also muscle memorize the RH (know exactly where the gliss stops by sound, feel, and timing) while sneaking a look at the left hand as it moves. And of course, once you have done that both ways ... !
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/30/13 05:09 PM

Glad to see Rossy Rostosky is doing well wink
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/31/13 12:10 PM

Originally Posted By: dire tonic
The grinding tedium of trying to practise something that doesn't fall naturally under my fingers has stripped me of most of my humanity so I'll probably have to stick with pretending to be knowledgeable!
Love it! I think I'll stand in this shadow. smile
Posted by: Renjer

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/31/13 12:23 PM

Testing out my new recording software - here is Vanished Days: (my first ever recital smile )

Comments?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vryibuz779fuwwi/Vanished%20Days.mp3?m

I don't really know how to upload files yet, so I am using my Dropbox user account. Youtube doesn't seem to like "audio only" files.
Posted by: Anne H

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/31/13 04:28 PM

I am determined to record early this week, so hopefully I will be fully finished! I put my piece away for several weeks hoping to gain some more perspective on it, but after pulling it out again I'm not sure that has happened. I've made a deal with myself that I can't start working on my next recital piece for November until I get this recorded, so maybe that will help make things go faster.
Posted by: AZ_Astro

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/31/13 05:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Renjer
Testing out my new recording software - here is Vanished Days: (my first ever recital smile )

Comments?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vryibuz779fuwwi/Vanished%20Days.mp3?m

I don't really know how to upload files yet, so I am using my Dropbox user account. Youtube doesn't seem to like "audio only" files.


Super! Quite a challenging piece! A lot of time went into that. I would imagine you are reading and playing? You put a lot of dynamics into it and your piano held up nicely as well.

I uploaded a trial video of my piece to Youtube today. I used Windows Movie Maker and it would be very easy for you to put add a couple of pics and turn your piece into a slideshow. I used, I think, 9 pics for a 1:40 piece.
Posted by: Renjer

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 08/31/13 10:13 PM

Thanks for your comments, yes, I was going through the PDF sheets from my iPad. I first heard about Vanished Days while browsing through one of the exam syllabuses of either the RCM or the London College, can't remember now. Then I heard a recording of this piece (youtube) from someone who joined the Grieg's Piano Competition and I was hooked since. I just had to learn this up.

Anyway, it was just a trial recording and perhaps when the due date comes I hope to make less mistakes while playing this piece. Er, is there a due date for the recitals?

As a second thought, I am also learning the "Wedding Day at Troldhaugen" and I find it much more difficult to play than this one.
Posted by: AZ_Astro

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/01/13 02:17 AM

I think we're supposed to be ready by Sept 15. I think one opus is going to be published (by the moderator for each opus), starting with Opus 12.

My work is op 12 no 8 and we are planning to have our videos all done and submitted well before the 15th.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/01/13 10:12 AM

Renjer, welcome! The way the themed recitals work is that at the beginning of the organizational process, back when this thread started, people pick which piece they'd like to play, one person per piece. People then submit YouTube videos of their playing to the organizers, and the videos are published in order when the performance of the recital opens, which will be Sept. 15. The list of performers and pieces is filled out already now. So unfortunately your recording won't be part of the official themed recital. We're delighted to hear it though. Consider posting it to the September Piano Bar. There are also quarterly recitals on your choice of piece -- submissions for the next Quarterly recital open on Nov. 1 and run to Nov. 14. Also keep watching ABF for an announcement of the next themed recital. Hope you'll be a part of it!
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/01/13 10:13 AM

AZ_Astro, we're asking for submissions by Sept. 10. That gives the organizers time to put the threads together before the recital opens on Sept. 15, and also time to deal with any last minute problems.
Posted by: Renjer

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/02/13 12:54 AM

@Pianostudent88: That's ok then, I wasn't aware that all Grieg's Lyric Pieces were already taken. Has the Sonata in E Minor been taken yet? I'm interested in the Andante Molto section because I vaguely remember this piece having appeared in the exams some years back.

Unfortunately in November I will be having guests in my house for quite some time so I can't really play the piano. Perhaps I will have to wait for the next one (February 2014, perhaps?)

I noticed there was an Alkan recital as well on the Pianist forum, however, I don't think my piece is up to an acceptable standard yet.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/02/13 01:49 AM

Renjer, yes, the next Quarterly recital after November is February.

For this themed recital, we're only playing Grieg's Lyric Pieces. You could record the Sonata for the Piano Bar, or record it early and submit it to the November recital (or later). There's also the Ecco Fatto thread for submitting your first PW recording, if you wish. (Ecco Fatto = Italian for "There! It's done!")

You can also always just make a thread and post a piece for feedback or just to share.

There will be another themed recital coming up, but the theme and timing have not yet been decided. Look for information on that sometime after the Grieg recital finishes being posted (we'll have one opus per day starting Sept. 15, so finishing up on Sept. 24).
Posted by: AZ_Astro

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/02/13 05:36 PM

Right! Thanks.
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/02/13 05:56 PM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88

There will be another themed recital coming up, but the theme and timing have not yet been decided. Look for information on that sometime after the Grieg recital finishes being posted (we'll have one opus per day starting Sept. 15, so finishing up on Sept. 24).


Can we do Schumann next time? Lots of pieces that are playable by intermediates.

Or Bartok - he gets no love in the ABF recitals. But the Mikrokosmos have something for all skill levels. I don't know why they aren't more popular.

Or we could make the New Age fans happy and have an all New Age recital wink Oh no, Einaudi!

Sam
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/02/13 06:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Sam S
Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88

There will be another themed recital coming up, but the theme and timing have not yet been decided. Look for information on that sometime after the Grieg recital finishes being posted (we'll have one opus per day starting Sept. 15, so finishing up on Sept. 24).


Can we do Schumann next time? Lots of pieces that are playable by intermediates.

Or Bartok - he gets no love in the ABF recitals. But the Mikrokosmos have something for all skill levels. I don't know why they aren't more popular.

Or we could make the New Age fans happy and have an all New Age recital wink Oh no, Einaudi!

Sam
Hey, hey, hey, now! I haven't even begun to record my Grieg pieces, so let's hold off on discussing what's next until we're done with what's now! smile

Don't mind me, just a little under the gun crazy
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/03/13 01:57 AM

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
AZ_Astro, we're asking for submissions by Sept. 10. That gives the organizers time to put the threads together before the recital opens on Sept. 15, and also time to deal with any last minute problems.

Oh dear, I was counting on the 15th. I didn't see about the 10th. I've been working round the clock on a project that came up and don't know how fast I'll be finished. Before the 10th might happen, but what if I cant make it that soon?
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/03/13 03:27 AM

Before the 10th might happen, but what if I cant make it that soon?

Worry not! You`ll sound like the rest of us . . . .
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/03/13 11:03 AM

If I can't get a recording in, then I won't sound like anything. That's what I mean. I blithely thought the date was the 15th. I actually expected to be early until this came up.
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/03/13 11:10 AM

keystring, contact your opus leader and check that they could accept the piece after the 10th and still put together their thread.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/03/13 02:29 PM

Some of us are done, done, done....
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Yeah, I know ...

Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/04/13 08:56 AM

Originally Posted By: keystring
Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
AZ_Astro, we're asking for submissions by Sept. 10. That gives the organizers time to put the threads together before the recital opens on Sept. 15, and also time to deal with any last minute problems.

Oh dear, I was counting on the 15th. I didn't see about the 10th. I've been working round the clock on a project that came up and don't know how fast I'll be finished. Before the 10th might happen, but what if I cant make it that soon?
I'm kind of feeling under the gun as you are. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to have French Serenade 62/3, From the Early Years 65/1, and Halling 71/5 recorded this weekend.

The two new pieces, Butterfly 43/1 and Brooklet 62/4, however, could really use more work given the short time allowed to work on it. So I'm hoping for some mercy from the respective OPleds wink .

From what I heard of your playing if your piece, keystring, it is in fine condition, so then the real concern is just when you'd get a chance to record it. I'm sure they'll be able to make an exception for you if need be.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/04/13 11:38 AM


cool Piano Dad - I'm impressed. Though I wish you hadn't been smug about it. Especially when some of us lesser mortals arerushingaroundlikeheadlesschickens! (word association; SALT. WOUND. RUBBING IN)
eek
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/04/13 11:49 AM

"So I'm hoping for some mercy from the respective OPleds wink ."

Consider it done, young lady! 43-1 has to be in the hands of the Chief Whip by the 17th. If you get it to me for the 15th I should be OK . . (Famous last words) grin
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/04/13 12:31 PM

Sent in my third of 3 this morning, so I am done. None of them are without mistakes, so the rest of you stop being such perfectionists...

Sam
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/04/13 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy

cool Piano Dad - I'm impressed. Though I wish you hadn't been smug about it. Especially when some of us lesser mortals arerushingaroundlikeheadlesschickens! (word association; SALT. WOUND. RUBBING IN)
eek


grin

Schaden : Freude
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/04/13 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad


Schaden : Freude


Disaster : Joy

The two sides of life.

Or did you mean to say Schadenfreude? grin
(Happiness at others' misfortunes)
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/04/13 04:17 PM




Touche! smile
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/04/13 08:26 PM

Why thank you! smile
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/05/13 08:51 AM

Thanks, peterws! You're a good, merciful Opled indeed! laugh
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/05/13 06:31 PM

My piece is definitely getting there.

I recorded it for the heck of it last night -I knew it wouldn't be awesome quality, since BillyO was playing his Telecaster through the Marshall, but naturally I got a great take, with just enough buzz to be annoying.

So I tried again a little while ago, and got decent takes - with very loud cicadas buzzing in the background. (Bill measured the sound recently - 80 decibels!)

So hopefully, later tonight, I will get the take I want, if the universe decides to take a nap smile It's by no means perfect (it's sooo hard to keep the melody loud and the rest quiet), but I'm pretty pleased with what I've done.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/05/13 07:18 PM

Mine's still a right mess pmsl, wink
Posted by: carey

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/05/13 07:26 PM

Finally finished recording my four contributions this morning. Interesting experience !!

NOW - would someone please "re-post" the instructions for submitting our recordings? I plan to use Windows Movie Maker to create a video for each. I also have a youtube channel. How should I proceed?????

THANKS !!!!!

(And yes - I know we have contact persons for each opus number grin)
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/05/13 07:31 PM

Make a separate video for each piece. Then upload them to your YouTube channel. Then send the separate links to each video to the appropriat Opled.

Also send in a brief blub about each piece to the Opled. It can be what was diffiult, what you learned, anything that you have to say about the experience of learning the piece.
Posted by: carey

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/05/13 07:57 PM

Originally Posted By: dynamobt
Make a separate video for each piece. Then upload them to your YouTube channel. Then send the separate links to each video to the appropriat Opled.

Also send in a brief blub about each piece to the Opled. It can be what was diffiult, what you learned, anything that you have to say about the experience of learning the piece.


THANKS !!!!!!! thumb
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/06/13 01:50 AM

Hello Carey; I just need your Youtube link and accompanying notes you may have on your music!. Send it to me on a "personal message" (Opus 43 6) and I`ll sort it . .
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/06/13 02:24 AM

Ok.. I've got a couple of passable recordings, but they sound like they're in a box or something - sorta muffled. Do any of you use a Zoom H4? What settings do you use, and where do you put your zoom when you record?
Posted by: carey

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/06/13 03:05 AM

Originally Posted By: peterws
Hello Carey; I just need your Youtube link and accompanying notes you may have on your music!. Send it to me on a "personal message" (Opus 43 6) and I`ll sort it . .


Will do Peter - Thanks !!
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/06/13 08:00 AM

Originally Posted By: AimeeO
Ok.. I've got a couple of passable recordings, but they sound like they're in a box or something - sorta muffled. Do any of you use a Zoom H4? What settings do you use, and where do you put your zoom when you record?
I use the H4. Where did you place the unit for recording? Also, are you using the onboard mics, or any external mics? Lastly, what format and frequency are you recording in: mp3, wav, and if wav is it 16-bit/44kHz?
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/07/13 09:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: AimeeO
Ok.. I've got a couple of passable recordings, but they sound like they're in a box or something - sorta muffled. Do any of you use a Zoom H4? What settings do you use, and where do you put your zoom when you record?
I use the H4. Where did you place the unit for recording? Also, are you using the onboard mics, or any external mics? Lastly, what format and frequency are you recording in: mp3, wav, and if wav is it 16-bit/44kHz?


(sorry it took so long!)
I place it on top of my upright (which I know probably isn't right, but I tried placing it on a table nearby but it didn't sound much better).
MP3 format. No extra mics, mic gain is medium.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/08/13 06:49 AM

Hi folks!

On the eve of the recital (from early evening UK time), there will be a special post for everyone to enjoy to help introduce the recital. So, I hope you can spare a few minutes next saturday 14th to take a look.

Its getting excitingly close now, isn't it?! (with apologies to those who are panicking about their pieces, who don't need reminding of how close we are to the deadline!)

I was at Hyde Park last night at one of the Last Night of the Proms concerts. At the end of the concert in the Royal Albert Hall, there was a video link up to the crowds dotted around - in London, Wales, Glasgow (scotland) and Belfast, in (Northern) Ireland. (and I think there are even last night of the proms concerts in other parts of the world). I don't go in for jingoism, but when the crowds in the different venues greeted each other with 'hello hall' - 'hello park', tens of thousands of people were united across space in a vast wave of enthusiasm, and goodwill. It was great fun.

I've attempted to copy across the link from the bbc radio 3 website to the prom concert (for any of you who'd like to see what you missed) - so I hope this works. I really like 'Walk On' which can be found 50 mins in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b039vkd8
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/08/13 08:34 AM

Originally Posted By: AimeeO
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: AimeeO
Ok.. I've got a couple of passable recordings, but they sound like they're in a box or something - sorta muffled. Do any of you use a Zoom H4? What settings do you use, and where do you put your zoom when you record?
I use the H4. Where did you place the unit for recording? Also, are you using the onboard mics, or any external mics? Lastly, what format and frequency are you recording in: mp3, wav, and if wav is it 16-bit/44kHz?


(sorry it took so long!)
I place it on top of my upright (which I know probably isn't right, but I tried placing it on a table nearby but it didn't sound much better).
MP3 format. No extra mics, mic gain is medium.

MP3 format is very low-quality, even at the "higher res" settings. Do .wav format, in stereo mode, at the recommended 48kHz/16-bit according to this website:
http://blogs.lsa.umich.edu/issmediacenter/2011/11/21/zoom-h4n-quickstart-guide/

You can find all the possible formats on p. 51 of the manual. Be sure you are not on stamina mode (p. 37), and I recommend not using batteries if you can help it smile.

The higher the quality, the larger the files, but you can always compress them afterwards if need be. However, I recommend 48kHz/24-bit for greater dynamic change. I think you will notice a much better recording quality. Unfortunately, that does mean you'll have to redo your recordings because you can't change this after the fact (you can always compress afterwards, but you can't expand afterwards).

Also, I recommend putting it somewhere other than on the piano. The vibrations from the instrument will interfere with the recording. If the piano sounds muffled after testing a small portion of your piece with the higher res format, try opening up the top of the upright. Each piano and room is different, so you'll have to do a little tweaking and moving around, so don't record the whole piece until you've found what you like. It's best to try several different spots on one format (48kHz/24-bit, for example), and record the same section of music at each location. Make notes as to which location goes with which recording. Then listen to them side-by-side after and makes notes as to which you prefer from that, or at least eliminate the ones you like least.

This is the process I went through with my setup. While not perfect, I found a format that I liked that was easy to remember each time I set up.
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/08/13 01:16 PM

Please help. My ZoomQ3 recording is not sounding the audio when I download to computer. I hear it on the device.
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/08/13 02:16 PM

Must be the thin air up there in the Rockies ….

Actually, that's an interesting issue. What format did you choose on the Q3 for the recording?
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/08/13 02:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: AimeeO
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: AimeeO
Ok.. I've got a couple of passable recordings, but they sound like they're in a box or something - sorta muffled. Do any of you use a Zoom H4? What settings do you use, and where do you put your zoom when you record?
I use the H4. Where did you place the unit for recording? Also, are you using the onboard mics, or any external mics? Lastly, what format and frequency are you recording in: mp3, wav, and if wav is it 16-bit/44kHz?


(sorry it took so long!)
I place it on top of my upright (which I know probably isn't right, but I tried placing it on a table nearby but it didn't sound much better).
MP3 format. No extra mics, mic gain is medium.

MP3 format is very low-quality, even at the "higher res" settings. Do .wav format, in stereo mode, at the recommended 48kHz/16-bit according to this website:
http://blogs.lsa.umich.edu/issmediacenter/2011/11/21/zoom-h4n-quickstart-guide/

You can find all the possible formats on p. 51 of the manual. Be sure you are not on stamina mode (p. 37), and I recommend not using batteries if you can help it smile.

The higher the quality, the larger the files, but you can always compress them afterwards if need be. However, I recommend 48kHz/24-bit for greater dynamic change. I think you will notice a much better recording quality. Unfortunately, that does mean you'll have to redo your recordings because you can't change this after the fact (you can always compress afterwards, but you can't expand afterwards).

Also, I recommend putting it somewhere other than on the piano. The vibrations from the instrument will interfere with the recording. If the piano sounds muffled after testing a small portion of your piece with the higher res format, try opening up the top of the upright. Each piano and room is different, so you'll have to do a little tweaking and moving around, so don't record the whole piece until you've found what you like. It's best to try several different spots on one format (48kHz/24-bit, for example), and record the same section of music at each location. Make notes as to which location goes with which recording. Then listen to them side-by-side after and makes notes as to which you prefer from that, or at least eliminate the ones you like least.

This is the process I went through with my setup. While not perfect, I found a format that I liked that was easy to remember each time I set up.


Thanks for the tips - I appreciate it. I've always been so worried about playing something right I've never put too much thought into the recording quality smile
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/08/13 03:10 PM

Mastering or just guessing successfully on the technology questions is no small feat!! You think you are in good shape having learned a particular piece only to find out that the techno geek speek of the recorder is an alien language! LOL! I was lucky and guessed well early on to at least get something recorded. I'm still in the "happy with what I've stumbled on" phase. Picking up little tidbits of recording help along the way. Thanks Erin! So, I've been recording in MP3 lately. Not good, I see. Switching back to WAV. Thankfully, Audacity will change the format after that little add on program. Truthfully, I'll probably always be in the dark as far as the audio technology. I don't really understand what I'm doing!! Those of you with video recorders are way out of my league!! I'm in awe! Thankfully, they make these recorders so simple a Caveman can do it. Well, sort of. Meanwhile, I'm glad I got my recordings done and am not under the gun now. I hate pressure! I do not opperate well under it. Best of luck to all of you trying to finish thngs up.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/08/13 03:30 PM

Originally Posted By: dynamobt
Mastering or just guessing successfully on the technology questions is no small feat!! You think you are in good shape having learned a particular piece only to find out that the techno geek speek of the recorder is an alien language! LOL! I was lucky and guessed well early on to at least get something recorded. I'm still in the "happy with what I've stumbled on" phase. Picking up little tidbits of recording help along the way. Thanks Erin! So, I've been recording in MP3 lately. Not good, I see. Switching back to WAV. Thankfully, Audacity will change the format after that little add on program. Truthfully, I'll probably always be in the dark as far as the audio technology. I don't really understand what I'm doing!! Those of you with video recorders are way out of my league!! I'm in awe! Thankfully, they make these recorders so simple a Caveman can do it. Well, sort of. Meanwhile, I'm glad I got my recordings done and am not under the gun now. I hate pressure! I do not opperate well under it. Best of luck to all of you trying to finish thngs up.

I'm still learning a lot about recording and tech stuff. I am certainly no "pro" at this, but I'm thinking that going from an mp3 to wav file in audacity will not improve the sound quality as recording as a wav can do. If the sample rate is lower, it can't fill in with more sample to make it sound more dimensional. I think laugh

As far as not being under pressure, I guess I thrive on it. But I am not really happy that I don't have any good recordings yet. Yesterday was my first run through of From the Early Years, Halling, and French Serenade. I'll be giving them another go tonight, and who knows? Perhaps they will magically be better. I certainly hope so.
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/08/13 03:42 PM

Recording does weird things. Part of my system is "equalizing" dynamics at least to some degree, despite using cable, which sucks when you are trying to get pp an ff, and you get something like mp and mf. I finished my mega-work, with stressful things coming in; have not touched the piano for over a week. Drained and exhausted. I wanted to download Audacity and try it, because I understand it's better than Goldwave.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/08/13 03:45 PM

Quote:
[/quote]Please help. My ZoomQ3 recording is not sounding the audio when I download to computer. I hear it on the device.[quote]


Wisebuff, did you get an answer to your problem or resolve it somehow? Sorry I can't help you myself as I'm not very technically minded (as you can see from the way I've quoted you above!). If not, maybe someone out there can offer advice...
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/08/13 04:12 PM

Clarifying that Audacity will convert WAV to MP3 upon exporting the file. I had early on been recording in WAV. Switched to recording in MP3. Will go back to recording in WAV to be better quality (density) recordings. I believe my Grieg pieces were recorded in MP3. I was pleased enough with them. But there were comments about my ABF recital recording sounding "off". So, hopefully going back to WAV will help.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/08/13 04:15 PM

Originally Posted By: dynamobt
Clarifying that Audacity will convert WAV to MP3 upon exporting the file. I had early on been recording in WAV. Switched to recording in MP3. Will go back to recording in WAV to be better quality (density) recordings. I believe my Grieg pieces were recorded in MP3. I was pleased enough with them. But there were comments about my ABF recital recording sounding "off". So, hopefully going back to WAV will help.
OK, that makes sense smile
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/08/13 05:09 PM

.Wav and a mini tripod a few feet away is working out great.. thanks Erin!

I will record later tonight when the cicadas pipe down grin
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/08/13 05:13 PM

Originally Posted By: AimeeO
.Wav and a mini tripod a few feet away is working out great.. thanks Erin!

I will record later tonight when the cicadas pipe down grin
Yay!
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/09/13 06:58 AM

The Zoom Q3 offers PCM 48ghz 16 as an option. Is that a WAV file perchance? I have not figured out the problem with sound. When I go back into my saved files on the computer, my audio files play with sound but not the video files. All the sound controls appear to be on and other videos (youtube) play.

I'll ask my broadcasting faculty at work and see if they have ideas. BUT if any of you out there have ideas please share.
Posted by: Rupak Bhattacharya

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/09/13 08:01 AM

Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
my audio files play with sound but not the video files

I guess the video files are in .mov format, also I guess you're trying to either play them with windows media player or import them into windows movie maker. If these assumptions are correct then it's a simple decoding problem of WMP (or WMM). You've to install Apple QuickTime Player, or if you have VLC player then it should play this kind of file. Nevertheless, if you just directly upload the video on youtube then it'll also work fine. Otherwise you can convert the video to some other formats (like .avi, .mp4 etc) for importing them into WMM.
Posted by: MrPozor

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/09/13 08:16 AM

In my experiments, a small tripod set on a table at about 4'o-clock position (behind my back and slightly to the right) turned out to be the best so far.

What helped fighting the "muffled" sound was to add a little bit of reverb to the audio in the editor of your choice, i.e. to make it sound like it was recorded in a slightly bigger room, like professional recordings.
Posted by: carey

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/09/13 01:49 PM

There's probably going to be a last minute "rush" to get videos in by tomorrow. crazy

Just for the record....can someone please remind us again exactly WHO the videos should be submitted to for each of the Lyric Piece opus numbers????

Thanks !!

So looking forward to hearing all of our respective performances !!!! This is a wonderful on-line community of music lovers !!! thumb
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/09/13 02:10 PM

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Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/09/13 02:17 PM

Poor opus 43, neglected! Here's the full list of 10 opuses and their leaders.

Opus leaders:

Opus 12: casinitaly
Opus 38: zrtf90
Opus 43: peterws
Opus 47: PianoStudent88
Opus 54: zrtf90
Opus 57: PianoStudent88
Opus 62: Dipsy
Opus 65: PianoStudent88
Opus 68: dire tonic
Opus 71: AnneH
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/09/13 03:09 PM

I noticed 'Themed Recital's' have spread over to PC wink
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/09/13 05:47 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
I noticed 'Themed Recital's' have spread over to PC wink


To be fair I think that's been an on-going thing with them for a while smile

(but it is nice to think we may have inspired them to start up again, isn't it? smile
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/09/13 06:25 PM

What is PC?
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/09/13 06:29 PM

Pianist's Corner
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/09/13 07:19 PM

That den of iniquity! grin
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/09/13 07:32 PM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
I noticed 'Themed Recital's' have spread over to PC wink


To be fair I think that's been an on-going thing with them for a while smile

(but it is nice to think we may have inspired them to start up again, isn't it? smile


....and I thought we'd started something lol laugh
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/09/13 07:39 PM

Looks like the Alkan E-cital started in January.

So I tried recording again today, and don't know what's wrong with my brain but I think it forgot how to brain. I will try again tomorrow. I am thankful for all the nice OPleds who are giving a little extra leeway as far as the deadline goes - looks like I'll need it!
Posted by: Sam S

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/09/13 08:14 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
I noticed 'Themed Recital's' have spread over to PC wink


To be fair I think that's been an on-going thing with them for a while smile

(but it is nice to think we may have inspired them to start up again, isn't it? smile


....and I thought we'd started something lol laugh


I participated in a Schumann Recital at PC way back in May of 2010 - and they were doing them before that, so it's been going on for awhile.

Sam
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/09/13 08:57 PM

Exellent smile ....... if we could get a joint project going, that'd be great smile The next one, would indeed, be 'massive' xxx
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/09/13 09:06 PM

If we do go "joint" be prepared to be blown away by some seriously good pianists. A few today on the Mason & Hamlin tour pretty much intimidated me with how good they were. I should feel secure in my ability to just be where I am. But, I was stunned by how well some people could play.
Posted by: Allard

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/10/13 04:23 AM

I juuuust sent Opled Peter the link to my video. Had to spend like an hour choosing between various recordings, and settled for one with one obvious misplay, but a little better articulation overall. Have to leave the perfect recordings to the experts here smile
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/10/13 07:27 AM

Re-installing Quicktime (I'd updated to Windows7) did the trick. Now, like Allard, I need to choose which version. I'm disappointed that they have glitches even with my diligent study. I think I have some kind of finger dyslexia (it happens when I type too) so that my brain signals to the fingers misfire. Ahhh well. I did enjoy learning them and someday I hope to enjoy performing them.
Posted by: SwissMS

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/10/13 07:49 AM

I turned in my two videos to the Opled's last night. It feels good to be done! My pieces are not perfect, but I am happy with how they turned out. I learned a lot from these two pieces.

I finally made friends with iMovie to add opening and closing pictures and titles. That was fun! I can't wait until the 15th to hear what everyone has done.

As far as combining the themed recitals with the members recordings in the Pianist's Corner, I think I would be seriously intimidated by that!
Posted by: WiseBuff

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/10/13 08:53 AM

Done done done. Can't wait to hear them all.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/10/13 03:33 PM

I too would be greatly intimidated by a joint recital with the PC group.

Which is strange perhaps, given that I'm not intimidated by the (significantly) better performers here in ABF. I think it is the tone of the forum and the strong community we've got going here - I feel inspired by ABFers!
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/10/13 03:59 PM

Allard - you`ll be leaving it a long time . . . Griegy ensured "perfection" would NOT be achieved!
Posted by: Polyphonist

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/10/13 04:00 PM

Originally Posted By: casinitaly
I too would be greatly intimidated by a joint recital with the PC group.

Which is strange perhaps, given that I'm not intimidated by the (significantly) better performers here in ABF. I think it is the tone of the forum and the strong community we've got going here - I feel inspired by ABFers!

Why does everyone isolate the "PC people" and the "ABF people"? Aren't you allowed to post in both? wink

By the way, this is as good a time as any to ask if the wink on PW really is a wink. It's never looked like one to me, and I've always used it to mean what it looks like - sort of a squint, to express skepticism or mild disapproval. wink

There I go again. laugh
Posted by: PianoStudent88

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/10/13 04:07 PM

Everyone's allowed to post in both. The tone of the two boards is different.
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/12/13 05:02 PM

Evening all, am I the only one left yet to get a recording? Richard kindly extended my submission to the 14th, leaving me tomorrow, Friday 13th, to get any take at all lol, never mind a decent one............ laugh Please accept my apologies in advance, for massacring an Edward Grieg - Lyric Piece (Hope he forgives me lol)
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/12/13 05:06 PM

Don't worry Wayne, there are quite a few extensions beyond yours, even.(later opuses probably).
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/12/13 07:19 PM

Quote:
Why does everyone isolate the "PC people" and the "ABF people"? Aren't you allowed to post in both?


I post in both, but I see a very different atmosphere on the two forums. I suspect a small minority of ABF people would find active participation at the PC to be their proverbial cup of tea.
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/12/13 07:41 PM

The ABF is for people who are learning to play the piano and about music, going from those who are absolutely starting and up. Some of us may be more advanced in some areas, but have huge holes in others. Some of us have not have lessons, and others have had poor lessons in their past and have to undo the damage. In this forum we are trying to learn and to help each other learn.

PC is for those who generally have piano under their belt already. They are not primarily in learner-mode.

That's how I see it.

I'm still waiting to get a chance to get at the piano.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/12/13 09:46 PM

Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Evening all, am I the only one left yet to get a recording? Richard kindly extended my submission to the 14th, leaving me tomorrow, Friday 13th, to get any take at all lol, never mind a decent one............ laugh Please accept my apologies in advance, for massacring an Edward Grieg - Lyric Piece (Hope he forgives me lol)
LOL, read that as "mascaraing", for which I'm not sure old Eddie would approve or forgive you. laugh

I also cleared my schedule tomorrow to do some recording. I have 2 out of 5 done, got a barely decent take of 71/5 Halling today, so I'm hoping tomorrow will mean I can get even better. Wrong notes will happen, I'm just hoping for no "stuttering" when they do so I can keep going.

Also did a few takes yesterday of Butterfly and I think I should get a good recording of this tomorrow, or at the very least this weekend.

Brooklet is starting to come together, but it's not going to be as polished as I would like (but then, neither is anything else!).

To all of you procrastinators: Now is our time to get 'er done! Then...
Cheers!
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/12/13 10:23 PM

See, that's what you get for signing up for FIVE OF THEM!!! grin
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/12/13 10:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
See, that's what you get for signing up for FIVE OF THEM!!! grin
I "signed up" for 2, the last 3 were foisted upon me with such grace and politeness, I never realized what I was getting myself into. Brits and their wily ways! whistle
Posted by: AimeeO

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/12/13 11:23 PM

Dipsy really knows how to get her way.. I can attest to this!


Of course it doesn't help that you're so awesome at the last minute things, Erin.. I'm sure they will be fine!

As for me, I wound up with a decent-enough-for-me recording, unless you count the chorus of cicadas in the background.. (never fear Wayne! I am here to set the bar low for you LOL)
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/13/13 07:20 AM

Originally Posted By: AimeeO


As for me, I wound up with a decent-enough-for-me recording, unless you count the chorus of cicadas in the background.. (never fear Wayne! I am here to set the bar low for you LOL)
I think it will add to the ambience, especially if you listen to it in the dead of winter it will help remind you of summer days spent practicing the Grieg smile.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/13/13 01:51 PM

3 down 2 to go! I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get a good take on Butterfly today, but Brooklet will need 1 more day at least.

I am insane.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/13/13 04:05 PM

"I am insane."

I would recommend Californian Red . . . .or "Theakston`s Old Peculiar" . . .
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/13/13 04:14 PM

I'm up there with you Morodiene - climbing the walls nearly! But I think the more people put in, the more they get out...

Quote:
[/quote]Dipsy really knows how to get her way.. I can attest to this![quote]


aimee - I can't think what you mean! cool
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/13/13 04:15 PM

Originally Posted By: peterws
"I am insane."

I would recommend Californian Red . . . .or "Theakston`s Old Peculiar" . . .
Had to google Theakston's...rated 89 out of 100. Not bad.

Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/13/13 04:30 PM

So tomorrow is the big day, I'm really excited about this themed recital, can't wait!
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/13/13 05:56 PM

Alright, I have submitted everything but Brooklet 62/4. That one is presenting me with some problems that will probably take some more work today and most likely tomorrow as well.
Posted by: sinophilia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/14/13 12:41 AM

I'm leaving for Berlin in half an hour, so I will miss the opening of the recital... hope to be able to catch up later.
Posted by: Allard

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/14/13 03:42 AM

Morodiene, you may be insane, but you set an example to look up to. Tackling so many pieces and really helping to complete this collection. Wow!
Posted by: griffin2417

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/14/13 08:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
I'm up there with you Morodiene - climbing the walls nearly! But I think the more people put in, the more they get out...

Quote:
Dipsy really knows how to get her way.. I can attest to this!
Quote:


aimee - I can't think what you mean! cool


Ah yes! Dipsy, you are one of the best volunteer recruiters I've met. I'll never forget how you so skillfully talked me into participating in the Satie recital when I had no intention of participating. The next thing I knew I was performing Gymnopedie 1. laugh

I'm looking forward to hearing the Grieg recital.

Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/14/13 11:42 AM

Oh I see (Griffin (and AimeeO) blush laugh!
Posted by: Piano*Dad

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/14/13 11:49 AM

Refresh my memory. When does this thing go "live?"
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/14/13 12:02 PM

TONIGHT - WITH A SORT OF TRAILER CUM PROGRAMME ON THIS THREAD, AND THEN THE RECITAL STARTS PROPER TOMORROW ON ITS OWN DEDICATED THREAD. IT'LL RUN FOR 10 DAYS - WITH EACH OPUS HAVING A SEPARATE THREAD AND A MASTER THREAD TO GIVE ACCESS THROUGHOUT TO ALL PARTS OF THE RECITAL

I'M GLAD U ASKED, PIANODAD - I'D HATE PEOPLE NOT TO KNOW THIS
Posted by: joangolfing

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/14/13 02:03 PM

I have been wanting to tell someone in the Grieg recital about a book I use for playing Grieg.

"Onstage with Grieg: Interpreting his Piano Music" by Einar Steen-Nokleberg. You probably know about it already. But it's a wonderful resource for studying Grieg's music.

There is a great review of the book on Amazon.com. I copied it here:
"Nokleberg's book Onstage with Grieg is an excellent reference source for pianists of all levels and abilities. It is the only book of its kind which focuses only on the piano works of Edvard Grieg. Nokleberg who has recorded all of Griegs piano pieces, has provided us here with his ideas on proper interpretation. He draws not only from his personal experience, but from many sources of reference, namely Griegs letters and original prints. By using these sources along with his own ideas the amateur and even professional performer will have a clear and accurate view of the composers true intentions. As he states in the preface, this book is not intended to be read cover to cover, but rather to be used as a guide for whichever piece the pianist is currently attempting to learn. His analysis covers every piano work equally from both an interprative and technical point of view. This book is great for any pianist ready to delve into the wonderful world of Edvard Grieg -- and even better you are assured to be doing the composer justice by using Noklebergs helpful hints!"
Posted by: dire tonic

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/14/13 02:26 PM

- thanks for the heads up. I've ordered this!

I've been thrilled by Nokleberg's recordings of the Lyric Pieces. I'm sure it will be a fantastic read.
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/14/13 05:46 PM

WITH ONE DAY TO GO - THINGS YOU NEVER KNEW (OR FORGOT!) ABOUT THESE RECITALS!

How did it all start?
A few months ago, Rupak reminded us of the first 'recital'- the 5 Metamorphosis pieces by Philip Glass, posted on RST (Rostosky's serious thread):

He said:
Quote:
Quote:
It starts with Wayne, of course, our official Recruiter laugh (ohh, the context is Wayne, Dipsy and Rossy were struggling with the Metamorphosis series by Philip Glass...)

Originally Posted By: Wayne
Maybe between us, Rossy and whoever else wants to join in, we could do one each, so we do the whole 5, and maybe post it up on PW? Show the talent on RST wink

...Dipsy caught the idea at once smile :
Originally Posted By: Dipsy
That's great Wayne! Both Rossy and I will do one - Rossy wants to do met 4, and I'll learn met 3 (assuming you're happy to do no 2). I'm a bit nervous but looking forward to it.If anyone else wants to prepare something - that would be wonderful, and if the pieces include met 1 and met 5 that would complete the set!. - though of course any piece which people want to share would be welcome, whatever it is.
How about preparing something ready for the beginning of September?

...and what else, Wayne started chasing laugh :
Originally Posted By: Wayne
errr Ok, I'll try, just need to get up to speed... Rossy you gonna do M4 on an accoustic piano?
Come on guys, we need 2 volunteers for M1 and M5! smile [quote]


The 5 pieces were played by Rossy, Wayne33yrs, myself (Dipsy), Recaredo and Rupak Bhattacharya on 16th September last year. People enjoyed this, so next up was Satie's Gymnopedies and Gnossiennes - 10 pieces in all. This was posted on RST in December, and performed by: Wayne33yrs, myself, Rupak Bhattacharya, Recaredo, Griffin, PianoStudent88, Peyton, AimeeO, LadyChen, and dire tonic.

The idea had caught on, and with more people interested in taking part, Mendelssohn's 48 'Songs Without Words' ('the big one'), was selected for the next recital. Unlike the first two, this recital developed an identity of its own. It was nurtured in RST, but once launched, it became clear that it was so big that it needed its own thread. People on RST continued to give lots of support; Wayne continued 'people-hunting' as 'official recruiter;' and when the time came, as before, Rossy (with me helping) put it all together - checking and compiling submissions, and he introduced the recital.


Today's recital
This is nearly half as big again as the Mendelssohn recital. Partly because Rossy stopped working on it, and partly because people wanted to help run the recital, this one is a team effort, which is a new approach, but probably more resilient. There are 34 performers, many of whom have not taken part before. A few have taken on several pieces (the record is 5!) People have participated in more ways than before. Not only have they submitted recordings (and for some this is no mean feat - enormous problems have had to be overcome), but they have also helped with computer problems, given recording advice, supported each other with difficulties in learning pieces, written biographical information (Ganddalf), produced a map of participants (Rupak supported by casinitaly) and worked together to manage the project.

The image below is of you all those who have helped to make this happen. Each one of you is represented by a little light in the world. And if we haven't got your location exactly right, - what's a few hundred miles between friends?! (see end for list of locations). Those of you who had to pull out, because of illness or some other problem - you are there too.





The expression: 'The whole is greater than the sum of its parts' applies to this recital, and it is so much more than a collection of performances. We are now a community. People are already asking 'what's next?' and (apart from quiping 'the recital, of course!' - see programme below) I feel there can be no answer as yet, because this community should be involved in deciding that.

I'll leave the last word to Rupak in India who said:

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And surely, hats off to all of the participants for their precious contributions which involve enormous efforts and intense loves and passions for music! Bravo, everyone, Bravo thumb


GRIEG LYRIC PIECES - RECITAL PROGRAMME

OPUS 12- Sunday, 15th September led by casinitaly
No 1: Arietta AimeeO
No 2: Waltz Saranoya
No 3: Watchman's Song casinitaly
No 4: Elve's Dance LadyChen
No 5: Popular Melody AndyPlatt
No 6: Norwegian Melody Piano*Dad
No 7: Album Leaf Saranoya
No 8: National Song AZ Astro

OPUS 38 - Monday, 16th September led by zrtf90
No 1: Berceuse zrtf90
No 2: Popular Melody Wayne33yrs
No 3: Melody SwissMS
No 4: Halling Piano*Dad
No 5: Spring Dance zrtf90
No 6: Elegy Recaredo
No 7: Waltz Dipsy
No 8: Canon dynamobt

OPUS 43 - Tuesday, 17th September led by peterws
No 1: Butterfly Morodiene
No 2: Solitary Traveller Wisebuff
No 3: In My Native Country Allard
No 4: Little Bird peterws
No 5: Erotik peterws
No 6: To the Spring Carey

OPUS 47 Wednesday, 18th September led by PianoStudent88
No I: Valse Impromptu SwissMs
No 2: Album Leaf Ganddalf
No 3: Melody Dipsy
No 4: Halling Carlos88
No 5: Melancholy Stumbler
No 6: Spring Dance peterws
No 7: Elegy PianoStudent88

OPUS 54 Thursday 19th September led by zrtf90
No 1: Shepherd's Boy patH
No 2: Norwegian March zrtf90
No 3: March of the Trolls zrtf90
No 4: Notturno Dipsy
No 5: Scherzo patH
No 6: Bell Ringing Sinophilia

OPUS 57 Friday, 20th September -led by PianoStudent88
No 1: Vanished Days dire tonic
No 2: Gade SamS
No 3: Illusion PianoStudent88
No 4: Secret Carey
No 5: She Dances dire tonic
No 6: Home Sickness SamS

OPUS 62 Saturday 21st September - led by Dipsy
No 1: Sylph dire tonic
No 2: Gratitude SamS
No 3: French Serenade Morodiene
No 4: Brooklet Morodiene
No 5: Phantom Pavel.K
No 6: Homeward hawgdriver

OPUS 65 Sunday 22nd September - led by PianoStudent88
No 1: From Early Years Morodiene
No 2: Peasant's Song Wisebuff
No 3: Melancholy PianoStudent88
No 4: Salon Ganddalf
No 5: Ballad Rupak Bhattacharya
No 6: Wedding Day at Troldhaugen Ganddalf

OPUS 68 Monday, 23rd September - led by dire tonic
No 1: Sailor's Song Valencia
No 2: Grandmother's minuet LadyChen
No 3: At Your Feet dire tonic
No 4: Evening in the mountains LimeFriday
No 5: Cradle Song Carey
No 6: Melancholy Waltz Carey

OPUS 71 Tuesday, 24th September, led by AnneH
No 1: Once upon a time AnneH
No 2: Summer Evening Farmgirl
No 3: Puck Farmgirl
No 4: Peace of the Woods Valencia
No 5: Halling Morodiene
No 6: Gone keystring
No 7: Remembrances dynamobt

People involved come from:New Orleans USA; Brussels, Belgium; Milan, Italy; Canada; Virginia, USA; Williamsburg Virginia, USA; Ireland; Sheffield, UK; Switzerland; Southeast Spain; New Hampshire, USA; SW Wales;Denver Colorado,USA; Amsterdam, Netherlands; England;Phoenix,Arizona; Norway(2); Colorado; Maine; Toronto, Ontario, Canada; Verona,Italy; Germany(2);Southern England(4);Georgia, USA; Czech Republic; Boynton Beach, Florida, USA; West Bengal, India;Australia

*Rossy is sorely missed by many, so we hope to see him on PW again soon!
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/14/13 05:48 PM

sorry folks - some technical probs - hope to sort out the formatting
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/14/13 05:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
sorry folks - some technical probs - hope to sort out the formatting


It shows ok on my screen Dipsy.

Lovey intro!
Posted by: dynamobt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/14/13 06:07 PM

Ican hardly wait for this to start!!! I know everyone has worked very hard on these pieces. Even the easy looking pieces ended up with nuances that made them difficult to play well. Congratulations everyone who participated!!!! This was fun and very motivating over the summer. Can't wait to see what's next!!
Posted by: Recaredo

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/14/13 06:28 PM

I do love that map of the world; I believe such a image inspires lots of hopeful thoughts.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/14/13 06:41 PM

Love the map! That is very cool to see. It would be great to see in the future if some of the conspicuously missing countries could participate in future recitals too! smile
Posted by: wayne33yrs

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/14/13 07:53 PM

That's a great Intro Dipsey wink x You're doing an amazing job xxx <3 Really looking forward to this smile
Posted by: Valencia

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/14/13 08:06 PM

Yay!! So exciting! Thank you for the map and intro Dipsy! Love the lights! heart
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/15/13 06:35 AM

glad you liked it - its a shame I forgot to put the dates into the programme at the end!
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/15/13 07:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Dipsy
glad you liked it - its a shame I forgot to put the dates into the programme at the end!


I added them in smile
Posted by: Dipsy

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/15/13 07:58 AM

thanks Cheryl!

Morodiene - I agree -there are too many countries without anyone taking part! wouldn't it be great if it went truly 'global'!?
Posted by: zrtf90

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/15/13 08:14 AM

As much as I understand the global thinking I'd rather see greater participation of ABF forum regulars. It's a shame to think that some of our fellows here are watching on helplessly and uninvolved as we tackle the challenges, enjoy the interaction, feel the buzz of participation and enjoy the fruits of it all coming together.

There is little that improves our technique and ability on the instrument more than the focus of preparing something for public consumption and little that increases the bonds between us better than a joint venture.

Despite the differences between us in terms of ability, distance, culture and personality this Grieg thing has acted like a drawstring bringing us all together with a common goal and a joint achievement.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/15/13 08:36 AM

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
As much as I understand the global thinking I'd rather see greater participation of ABF forum regulars. It's a shame to think that some of our fellows here are watching on helplessly and uninvolved as we tackle the challenges, enjoy the interaction, feel the buzz of participation and enjoy the fruits of it all coming together.

There is little that improves our technique and ability on the instrument more than the focus of preparing something for public consumption and little that increases the bonds between us better than a joint venture.

Despite the differences between us in terms of ability, distance, culture and personality this Grieg thing has acted like a drawstring bringing us all together with a common goal and a joint achievement.

Well-said, and I agree. For me, these recitals have been a great challenge and forced me to stretch myself when it's so much easier for me to just putter along and not get pieces to performance level before moving on.

I hope others in the future give it a try!
Posted by: keystring

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/15/13 10:33 AM

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Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 09/23/13 09:57 AM

Just wanted to post here that I'm thoroughly enjoying my daily listening routine of the Grieg Lyric Pieces. I have found a bunch of new ones I want to learn, but I had previously picked my next challenge which is the Grieg Holberg Suite. Originally written for piano, I had fallen in love with this many years back after hearing the Preludium on Public radio. I know that the Preludium and the Rigadoun will be quite the challenge, and upon first listening the Sarabande and Gavotte aren't terribly interesting, but I love the Air. For now, though, I'll just focus on the Preludium.

Thank you to everyone for sharing your talents and toils with us all!
Posted by: AZ_Astro

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/06/14 02:11 PM


I added a Grieg thumbnail pic to the Upload Pictures library here on Piano World.

If you include the following line in your signature, you will see the thumbnail of Grieg that shows you were a participant in the Grieg Recital.

[ img]http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/gallery/42/thumbs/2529.jpg[/img]

Copy this line into your signature and remove the space in front of the three letters img to active the picture.



Now I've just got to figure out how to get them on the same line... heh he
Posted by: rnaple

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/06/14 02:51 PM

Originally Posted By: AZ_Astro
Now I've just got to figure out how to get them on the same line... heh he

The first one is img left. Second is img center. Leave no space between the two beginning and ending img's.
EDIT: No space between the two ][ for the img's.
Posted by: AZ_Astro

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/06/14 05:06 PM

Originally Posted By: rnaple
Originally Posted By: AZ_Astro
Now I've just got to figure out how to get them on the same line... heh he

The first one is img left. Second is img center. Leave no space between the two beginning and ending img's.
EDIT: No space between the two ][ for the img's.


Thanks!

This worked. (To use, just drop any spaces before each img and join the lines together.)

[ img]http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/gallery/42/thumbs/2529.jpg[/img][ img]http://www.pianoworld.com/Uploads/files/TSxsm.jpg[/img]

Thumbnail was 60x75 for Grieg. It is 57x75 for the Tchaikovsky thumbnail.

Posted by: AZ_Astro

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/06/14 05:17 PM

... and for those intrepid souls who have done all three since last summer.



Just copy the text below into your signature line and remove the spaces in front of the img

[ img]http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/gallery/42/thumbs/2529.jpg[/img][ img]http://www.pianoworld.com/Uploads/files/Joplinbadgesmall.jpg[/img][ img]http://www.pianoworld.com/Uploads/files/TSxsm.jpg[/img]

The 300 character limit on the signatures will restrain us from going crazy on this.
Posted by: Morodiene

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/06/14 05:25 PM

Yay! I'll add Tchaikovsky when I feel as though I've actually earned it by submitting my recordings though. Thanks AZ AStro
Posted by: rnaple

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/06/14 06:27 PM

Originally Posted By: AZ_Astro
... The 300 character limit on the signatures will restrain us from going crazy on this.


We could ask if they would change the rules. Perhaps reprogram so anything between the two [ img's ] would be considered one character. smile

Hello....Cas? ..... Oh Cas? ..... No it's not about the Godzilla Metronome. That's James... smile
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/06/14 07:53 PM

Originally Posted By: rnaple
Originally Posted By: AZ_Astro
... The 300 character limit on the signatures will restrain us from going crazy on this.


We could ask if they would change the rules. Perhaps reprogram so anything between the two [ img's ] would be considered one character. smile

Hello....Cas? ..... Oh Cas? ..... No it's not about the Godzilla Metronome. That's James... smile


You just need to be inventive. I took two of the images (MOYD and Tchaikovsky Recital), put them together (nothing more tricky than Paint needed) and uploaded them back up. Pointed my sig to the combined one and ...

Posted by: Whizbang

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/06/14 08:31 PM

I'd tried to get the Joplin badge to match up with the MOYD vertical size, but with Grieg and Tchaikovsky towering over Joplin, I've uploaded a larger image (1 inch vertical), which I hope will line up with the other fellas.

Try [ img]http://www.pianoworld.com/Uploads/files/Joplinbadge76.jpg[/img] for the slightly larger image.
Posted by: AZ_Astro

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/06/14 09:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Whizbang
I'd tried to get the Joplin badge to match up with the MOYD vertical size, but with Grieg and Tchaikovsky towering over Joplin, I've uploaded a larger image (1 inch vertical), which I hope will line up with the other fellas.

Try [ img]http://www.pianoworld.com/Uploads/files/Joplinbadge76.jpg[/img] for the slightly larger image.


I noticed that you did that and I liked it a lot better when it matched up size-wise. Good job.
Posted by: rnaple

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/06/14 10:54 PM

Originally Posted By: AZ_Astro
Originally Posted By: Whizbang
I'd tried to get the Joplin badge to match up with the MOYD vertical size, but with Grieg and Tchaikovsky towering over Joplin, I've uploaded a larger image (1 inch vertical), which I hope will line up with the other fellas.

Try [ img]http://www.pianoworld.com/Uploads/files/Joplinbadge76.jpg[/img] for the slightly larger image.


I noticed that you did that and I liked it a lot better when it matched up size-wise. Good job.


Doh! I uploaded one at 75x75. Thought people would like them all to match. I didn't think to say anything about it. It's up front in the picture forum. I can remove it if you want? No big deal to me.
Posted by: casinitaly

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 04/07/14 06:12 PM

Sweet! I have to be clever like Andy and match the Grieg with my MOYD to stay in the character count!

I don't know that Mr. PianoWorld wants to increase everyone's siggy character limitations... that could add up to a lot of images/space....
Posted by: Andy Platt

Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... - 05/13/14 07:35 AM

Just spamming;) this old thread to link to BBC's composer of the week:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006tnxf

It's Grieg - and "of course" the first piece played is a lyric piece.

I think many of us will hear "our pieces" but sometimes in arrangements for other instruments.

Episodes should be available worldwide for a week.