Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2

Posted by: Mark...

Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/11/07 09:32 AM

I thought it was time for the book two thread. Please use this thread to discuss your book two experiences. upload your music etc.

A note from the first Alfred thread...

Although this is the Adult Beginners forum, many here seem to be very advanced or just amazingly gifted. I don't see many true beginners here (Like me) so I thought I'd start a thread dedicated to the "True" beginner, especially those using Alfred's Adult Piano Course Level one, book one.

And now for those moving on to book two.


Mark

Here is the Alfred Book One Thread

Here is the Alfred Book three thread

The Alfred Adult Users Supplement Pieces Thread

Alfred Graduate List

You Tube Alfred Pieces

Songs from Book Two

Down in the Valley

Guantanamera performed by Undone

Tumbalalaika Performed by z32

Roman Holiday

Light and Blue performed by JohnFrank

Hungarian Rhapsody #2 Performed by Undone

La Bamba performed by Undone

Mexican Hat Dance Performed by Undone

Scherzo

Plaisir D’Amour Performed by Undone

Waves of the Danube Performed by z32

Dark Eyes performed by JohnFrank

Sakura
Sakura (Cherry Blossoms) performed by JohnFrank

You\'re in My Heart

Lonesome Road

Village Dance by IamElise

Hokey-Pokey by IamElise

Brahms\'s Lullaby performed by JohnFrank
Brahms's Lullaby Performed by Waltz on U-Tube

Calypso Carnival Performed by Waltz on U-Tube

On YouTube:
Night Song
Night Song Performed by z32
Night Song Performed by Undone

Space Shuttle Blues performed by z32

Aloha Oe performed by z32

Pomp & Circumstance performed by z32
Pomp and Circumstance performed by JohnFrank

Swinging Sevenths performed by z32
Swinging Sevenths performed by JohnFrank

America the Beautiful performed by z32

The Polovetsian Dances performed By z32
Polovetsian Dances Performed by Johnfrank

Arkansas Traveler performed by z32

Musette performed by z32

The Riddle performed by JohnFrank

Frankie and Johnnie performed by JohnFrank

Theme - Symphony No. 6 (1st Move.) (Tchaikovsky) performed by JohnFrank

Black is the Color of My True Love\'s Hair
Black is the Color of My True Love\'s Hair performed by JohnFrank

Black Forest Polka performed by JohnFrank

Festive Dance performed by JohnFrank

Divertimento in D (with repeat) performed by JohnFrank

When Johnny Comes Marching Home performed by JohnFrank

Olympic Procession performed by JohnFrank

Alexander's Ragtime Band performed by JohnFrank
Alexander's Ragtime Band Performed by Music in Me

Theme from Solace performed by JohnFrank

Waltz in G Minor performed by JohnFrank

Fascination performed by JohnFrank

Loch Lomond performed by JohnFrank

Love\'s Greeting performed by JohnFrank

Etude, Op.10, No. 3 (Theme) performed by JohnFrank

DannyBoy performed by JohnFrank

Musetts\'s Waltz performed by JohnFrank

Ballin\' The Jack performed by JohnFrank

La Donna E Mobile performed by JohnFrank

Hava Nagila Performed by JohnFrank

Canon in D Performed by Waltz on U tube

Please let me know if any links don't work
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/11/07 10:24 AM

I am a true beginner, Mark. I'm not gifted or talented so this is where I belong.

I'm on calypso carnival (both hands play stacatto yuk) and the one before that, some bluesies spiritual piece.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/11/07 11:10 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
I am a true beginner, Mark. I'm not gifted or talented so this is where I belong.

I'm on calypso carnival (both hands play stacatto yuk) and the one before that, some bluesies spiritual piece. [/b]
I looked at book two...boy it's going to a lot of fun... \:D
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/11/07 01:51 PM

I liked scherzo, a lot. where are you in book 1 btw?
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/11/07 03:19 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
I liked scherzo, a lot. where are you in book 1 btw? [/b]
Next week is the Entertainer...then just Amazing Grace left...
Posted by: funburger

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/11/07 06:51 PM

Mark, i went through book 2, and to tell you the truth, i only liked a few of the pieces in it. it was a real drag for me. so hopefully you have some disicipline to drudge through the pieces you dont like:) as if you press on and move on to book 3, book 3 really rocks, i like most of the music in it and its alot of fun \:D book 2 i see as a stepping stone to playing some really fun music this is just my opinion i am sure alot of people like most of the music in book 2, but not me. i did like canon in d, light and blue and brahms lullaby because i started playing the lullaby at night to put my little one to sleep and it worked everytime \:D enjoy and press on as it only gets better from there:)
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/11/07 11:33 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by funburger:
Mark, i went through book 2, and to tell you the truth, i only liked a few of the pieces in it. it was a real drag for me. so hopefully you have some disicipline to drudge through the pieces you dont like:) as if you press on and move on to book 3, book 3 really rocks, i like most of the music in it and its alot of fun \:D book 2 i see as a stepping stone to playing some really fun music this is just my opinion i am sure alot of people like most of the music in book 2, but not me. i did like canon in d, light and blue and brahms lullaby because i started playing the lullaby at night to put my little one to sleep and it worked everytime \:D enjoy and press on as it only gets better from there:) [/b]
Discipline is the key word. \:D I was being a little sarcastic when I said book 2 would be fun. But I'm so determined to learn piano, I put up with songs that I really don't like...

And I love what you said about the stepping stone, Its like if you do the work, the reward will be waiting for you...

Thanks for the motivation!!

PS: I'm on pace to finish book one in about 6 months. Book 2 looks like it could be a year long project.
Posted by: mollyp

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/12/07 06:11 AM

hi that is about where i am at.count me in . have to mention the teacher(ex) said i needed a challenge and picked canon(end of book) which i am tryingto refine-didnt find it hard except one section. at the moment 9just today) going back as i have had a break and have forgotten a fair bit!~ but i love it especially on my neww piano.
Posted by: Relic

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/12/07 11:05 AM

I got trough book 1 not to long ago. I think it costed me about 6 - 7 months.
And now I am in book 2. I like Roman Holiday and Goodmorning, also The Wals from Musetta.
Anyway i'm not working in the book anymore , I decided to pause it. I dont find the songs challenging, I'm doing some harder stuff now (teacher says im prty amazing for such a new student), like préludes and soundtracks from movies. Perhaps after a while i will go back to book 2 and just play it rapidly so it does not cost me much time. Oh by the way the Entertainer is lovely ;\)
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/12/07 12:35 PM

I am almost finished with Alfred's 2- just (I think) 2 more pieces and the Canon to go. Not much more than that, anyway. I found a few pieces that I liked enough to go back to them now and again, but most were in the "learn it to get the theory/technique down" category. I also have one of the supplemental books and have worked on a couple pieces from that. I don't know if my teacher will have me move on to book 3 or not. We'll see. I also usually have one or two things not in the Alfred's book to work on, so I get some diversity in my practice.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/12/07 12:39 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
I am almost finished with Alfred's 2- just (I think) 2 more pieces and the Canon to go. Not much more than that, anyway. I found a few pieces that I liked enough to go back to them now and again, but most were in the "learn it to get the theory/technique down" category. I also have one of the supplemental books and have worked on a couple pieces from that. I don't know if my teacher will have me move on to book 3 or not. We'll see. I also usually have one or two things not in the Alfred's book to work on, so I get some diversity in my practice. [/b]
Hi IrishMak,
How long did it take to get through book two? And has the book helped you progress to a higher level overall. Just curious to see where I'll be when book two is complete.

Thanks
Mark
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/12/07 02:43 PM

Looking at the book (my teacher writes the date we start a page on top of it), it took me just under a year to get thru it. But then, I didn't always work steadily out of it- some pieces, as would be expected, took longer than others, and there were times when I didn't have things to work on from the book.

As for it helping, yes, I think it did. I was kind of "fumbling" for a while with my lessons- wasn't working out of any method book, and just picking stuff I was interested in or that my teacher brought in. But it wasn't structured enough for me to really feel I was making any sort of progress at any kind of steady rate. So we re-evaluated and decided to go back to a method book and just supplement it with other stuff. I actually started with Alred's 2- never did 1, but that was mainly because I already had 1+ years of lessons at that point and my teacher felt that book 1 would have been backtracking too much.

Bottom line: I do feel the Alfred's book has helped. I think (and my husband has said that he thinks I do) I play better now. I'm not sure if I would be where I am if I had just kept up with the random stuff like I was before. HTH.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/14/07 11:27 AM

When I started playing in book 2, I had the mind set of "Are you kidding me?", the songs are so easy you can easily do 2-3 each lesson. So far the only one in there I liked was scherzo because you get to speed it up as you go along.

I like to follow things through though, I'd rather go through the whole thing than think on down the line that maybe I missed something.

I also do fabers and fabers is faster paced than Alfred's so it keeps me busy and entertained
Posted by: Relic

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/14/07 12:27 PM

... man when i did book 2 and came to the first quarter and did a little bit more i advanced alot, before finishing the book, but i think music sheets from internet help me more. they are more difficult, entertaning ect. I often do these next to working in Alfred's and not just 1 the whole book but loads.
Posted by: nrrdgrrl

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/15/07 12:04 PM

Hello!

Well, I finished Book 1 after about 8 months with my teacher. She doesn't require perfection on songs. I'm of mixed feelings on this. On a certain song we'll work on timing and on another song we'll work on something else, but I'm always surprised when she says, OK, we can move on now. I'm kind of a "work harder," not "work smarter" kind of gal, so that throws me for a loop, a bit. I want to make sure my progress is proper. I mean, I'm paying a lot of money. On the other hand, if we work on something for a long time there seem to be diminishing returns. So, I don't know.

I'm not starting on Alfred 2 yet, or the Faber 2 (I just finished that one, too). Right now I'm working on Piano Town Lessons 3 (same as the 7-year-old girl who comes after me), Robert Vandall's Modal Expressions and a couple minuets here and there. I kind of miss the Alfred. I liked the songs in it.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/17/07 10:51 AM

Nrrdgrrl,

My teacher is the same way she doesn't expect note perfect but she wants the dynamics, rythym and tempo perfect.

As she says note perfect will come later and I agree with her on this. Once you have the basic 3 years of music lessons down, your perfect notes will come much easier and by that time that's when you're probably going to play for pure pleasure so it makes sense that at that time you'll have tons of time to spend on polishing your pieces to perfection.

I looked at my next piece in alfred's last night and was able to play right through it, I don't understand why alfred's 2 is so easy, maybe it's to engrave the foundation we learned in book 1, I'm so looking forward to book 3. I'm ready for a challenge.
Posted by: gogo2

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/17/07 11:14 AM

hi everyone! i just start. in sherzo, how do i move from finger 5 to 3 in "fingers can fly"? thanks
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/17/07 01:35 PM

On that note (the D on the word "fly"), you are playing that with your left hand finger 3. So you just bring it up into the treble staff to play that one note, then move right back down to the F maj chord in the bass staff.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/07/07 08:47 PM

Started book two today with the teacher...I feel like I just graduated... \:D
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/07/07 10:32 PM

I just started this book today with my new teacher myself. I'm coming from a different series of books so Alfred's is different for me. There are some holes that needs to be filled and there are some things I'm ahead on that will be covered later on the book. So I should learn some new stuff but some will be a review for me.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/08/07 09:17 AM

yay congrats mark and cyborg.

You'll find alfred's 2 to be extremely easy. I was just starting to take 2 alfred pieces in addition to my faber when I quit my teacher but once I decide on a teacher I should move quickly through book 2.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/13/07 01:43 PM

Mark, tell me how is it going. tellllllllll me
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/13/07 02:45 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
Mark, tell me how is it going. tellllllllll me [/b]
Hi loly, thanks for asking...

Just really started book 2. Have only done "Down in the Valley" with the teacher and have it down well. Yesterday I snuck ahead and started working on "Tumbalalaika". I'm still using book #1 with some fine tuning of the "Entertainer" and major work still being done to "Amazing Grace"
I'm also working on two Ludovico Einaudi pieces that are major long term projects as well as Moonlight Sonata in Dm.

As for book #2, I still don't have a feel for it yet, but I hope your right about it being easy and going well. Looking ahead,, it looks hard.

And finally, I decided if I make through book #3, I will reward myself with a grand piano. I then hope to be grand piano worthy... \:D

I'm still having major problems trying to record. I have the worst "Red Dot" fever...

So how are you doing loly. Sounds like your really progressing fast.

Mark
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/13/07 03:08 PM

Congrats, Mark and Cyborg!

I had taken a bit of a break from Book 2 for a short bit. Picked up a couple short, easy classical pieces and another that I wanted to learn. I just started on the Canon last night at my lesson, so I am just about done with Book 2. Took me just about a year to get here. Of course, after last nite, I feel like some sort of genius or something. My teacher said she has 2 adult students who have been in Alfred's 2 for more than a year and a half- and one of them isn't even halfway thru it! LOL
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/13/07 03:19 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
Congrats, Mark and Cyborg!

I had taken a bit of a break from Book 2 for a short bit. Picked up a couple short, easy classical pieces and another that I wanted to learn. I just started on the Canon last night at my lesson, so I am just about done with Book 2. Took me just about a year to get here. Of course, after last nite, I feel like some sort of genius or something. My teacher said she has 2 adult students who have been in Alfred's 2 for more than a year and a half- and one of them isn't even halfway thru it! LOL [/b]
Canon is such a great piece! I'm looking forward to it. Looking at book two, I'm betting it takes me a minimum of a year. I'll know more after a couple more weeks.

As for you, I'm going to have to start the book #3 thread... \:D

Keep up the good work!

Mark
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/13/07 03:25 PM

Well, I wouldn't go starting that too soon! We talked about maybe taking a break from method books completely for a while after I get thru Canon. She is going to go thru some music and set up an idea of what she thinks might be worth going with for a while. I also plan to look over the Alfred's 3 book and see what I think of it. Decisions, decisions.... \:\)
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/13/07 03:33 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
Well, I wouldn't go starting that too soon! We talked about maybe taking a break from method books completely for a while after I get thru Canon. She is going to go thru some music and set up an idea of what she thinks might be worth going with for a while. I also plan to look over the Alfred's 3 book and see what I think of it. Decisions, decisions.... \:\) [/b]
Sorry you have to do book three...I just started the thread for you...:lol:
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/13/07 04:13 PM

Well, after my first lesson I was given "Down in the Valley" and "Tumbalalaika" to work on for my next lesson. Also, I was given the appropriate theory work and some more scale and chord exercises. Since I don't have a lesson this week I wished I would have asked for another couple of pieces to work on. Although, "Tumbalalaika" is giving me a little bit of a fit since I haven't used the pedal much up to this point and it's nothing but pedaling throughout! So I'll use the extra time to work on my lack of pedal experience.

I looked through the book and didn't see anything extremely intimidating. Some of the items are review such as sixteenth notes, 6/8 times, dotted-eight notes, etc. I'm not complaining because I need the work on the items mentioned, it just won't be brand new for me. Of course many items will be new such as actually reading dynamic indications (ff, mf) in the music. I'm really excited about it.

Several of the pieces I have worked on before in my previous books but they were different arrangements or in a different key. My past experience tells me I'll have an easier time with those pieces e.g. "Down in the Valley".

Also, I looked at Canon at the end of the book and I must say that it appears intimidating. For those who have already learned the piece, is it a good arrangement of Canon?
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/13/07 06:42 PM

hi,

I haven't had lessons for three weeks but I'm almost halfway through alfred's 2. I start lessons again this weekend so hopefully I'll move at a steady pace.

Odd I don't have Tumbalalaika in my book. I saw it in the regular book but it's not in the All in one adult course. Can someone scan it for me? When I went to the piano store inquiring about a teacher they tried to sell me a Roland and the teacher got the alfreds book and started playing Tumbalalaika, which I thought was quite nice.

I can't wait to start my lessons, I have 2 pieces from alfreds that I was working on and they're more than ready to go. weeeeeeeeee
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/13/07 08:57 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
hi,


Odd I don't have Tumbalalaika in my book. I saw it in the regular book but it's not in the All in one adult course. Can someone scan it for me? When I went to the piano store inquiring about a teacher they tried to sell me a Roland and the teacher got the alfreds book and started playing Tumbalalaika, which I thought was quite nice.


I can't wait to start my lessons, I have 2 pieces from alfreds that I was working on and they're more than ready to go. weeeeeeeeee [/b]
Check your private mail...
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/14/07 04:53 AM

Just wanted to say I'm on Book 2 as well. Right now, I'm on page 19 I think, the one with "La Cucaracha." To tell you the truth, I'm not really liking the songs in this book. I enjoyed Tumbalaika, but that was pretty much it. Hopefully, the songs start getting good from now on.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/14/07 06:50 AM

So you guys have the basic course then? I have the All in one adult course so the pages don't match and the music is pretty much the same except for 1 or 2.

I agree I don't like the songs that much, although scherzo was fun due to the speed and I enjoyed boogie woogie blues. Divertimento is ok, I'm looking forward to book 3.

I also do faber and faber adult course book 2 and the songs in there are much better, the ones in bastiens are much better too. Faber goes a little faster though, they get into inverting triads right off the bat and alfreds doesn't get into it until 3/4 of the way almost.

Thanks Mark!!!!! You rock
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/14/07 09:06 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by z32:
Just wanted to say I'm on Book 2 as well. Right now, I'm on page 19 I think, the one with "La Cucaracha." To tell you the truth, I'm not really liking the songs in this book. I enjoyed Tumbalaika, but that was pretty much it. Hopefully, the songs start getting good from now on. [/b]
Sometimes I don't like the songs too, but I believe its part of paying your dues in the learning process. I think many of the songs that we might not like are the type of song to give us experience in certain musical areas. Thats why having some side work you really like is important. Some songs in book one I just hated playing but I wouldn't let it get to me... \:D
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/14/07 10:14 AM

I can't say that I didn't like most of the songs in Book 2. There were a few I didn't care for, a few I really enjoyed, but most were in the middle somewhere. As Mark says, many of the songs are specifically arranged to highlight or teach one aspect of technique or theory. Even my teacher would sometimes say that this is not a particularly good or even interesting arrangement of a song, but she would point out the "why" of how it was done and that (sometimes) made the piece more interesting to me. Not always- there were some I just couldn't warm up to.

I think most people will enjoy Scherzo- it's just fun to play- and the "lyrics" are amusing!

As for the Canon (as someone above asked)- so far, the arrangement is not bad. Of course, the original piece is most often heard with a string ensemble, so the piano reduction is a little tame, and it's certainly NOT George Winston's variations, but I think it will be fun to play once I get it all together. And my teacher says every piano player should learn a version of this one- because the melody is so familiar, it doesn't really matter what kind of music your listeners like, they will all pretty much recognize this one!! \:\)
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/15/07 04:24 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
Thanks Mark!!!!! You rock [/b]
No problem! I'm really liking Tumbalalaika...
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/16/07 01:58 PM

heyyyyyyyyyyyy what's up with this. alfreds basic adult piano course book only has 37 pieces to play, alfred's adult all in one course has 61 pieces. hmmphhh

does the basic course have more than 3 books? wondering why it's that way
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/16/07 02:00 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
heyyyyyyyyyyyy what's up with this. alfreds basic adult piano course book only has 37 pieces to play, alfred's adult all in one course has 61 pieces. hmmphhh

does the basic course have more than 3 books? wondering why it's that way [/b]
Three books as far as I know...

I should make a list of all the pieces of each book for each thread...
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/16/07 03:12 PM

Maybe the all in one books include some of the supplemntal stuff that is in some of the additional books? I don't know for sure- I used the basic book 2, but have ordered the all in one for book 3.
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/16/07 10:03 PM

I know the Alfred's series has an additional Hymn Book, Greatest Hits Book and Theory Book at level 2. Maybe the "All In One" includes some or all of the pieces in these books.

If I remember correctly the Theory Book content is included in the "All in One" book.
Posted by: funburger

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/17/07 03:25 PM

canon in d from the alfred book 2 is awesome. i really like this piece. i still play it alot. here is a link after i learned it if anyone wants to hear it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zQyj-yrHTk

i play this on every piano i come across as i memorized it. i took it slower towards the end because the book marks it slower and slower still then faster at the last part. anyhow just wanted to add my 2 cents on the canon in d. i love this version:)
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/17/07 03:38 PM

Very nice Funburger!!! I thoroughly enjoyed it!!!

I like the arrangement of the piece and definitely have something to look forward to at the end of Book 2. How long did it take you to get through Book 2?
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/17/07 03:56 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by funburger:
canon in d from the alfred book 2 is awesome. i really like this piece. i still play it alot. here is a link after i learned it if anyone wants to hear it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zQyj-yrHTk

[/b]
Nice!! Excellent Funburger...I'm looking forward to it...
Posted by: funburger

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/17/07 04:53 PM

cyborg, well it took a little longer than expected because i got really sick for a while but i think it was 8 months or somewhere around there. my teacher is really good and wont let me slip by(at least i dont think so) \:\) which i like. book 2 was drudgery though and in that time i started doing alot of my own stuff. i jumped to the end of the book because it was more exciting to do at the time. also without book 2 book 3 would be a nightmare, just press on learning everything you can:) book 2 certainly is a building stone and really prepares you for more music.

mark737, thanks:) it really is a fun arrangement, and beautiful!!
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/20/07 01:04 PM

wowie that was awesome funnycheeseburger. The video shows up on my work computer kind of like a picasso painting. Like a negative photograph. Did you do that or is it my computer?
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/21/07 08:43 PM

If anyone has a recording of Light and Blue, and/or Roman Holiday, I could use it...

Thanks

Mark
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/22/07 08:25 AM

Mark, if I have time I'll go ahead and play it and record it for you, I can't promise anything though but I'll try my best. I'll shoot for this evening after I've worn the pup out and if not definately tomorrow afternoon. If someone beats me to the punch let us know please.

thanks
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/22/07 09:36 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
Mark, if I have time I'll go ahead and play it and record it for you, I can't promise anything though but I'll try my best. I'll shoot for this evening after I've worn the pup out and if not definately tomorrow afternoon. If someone beats me to the punch let us know please.

thanks [/b]
Thanks loly! The teacher played them for me, but I need to hear them a few more times. And they aren't on "you tube" either...

Mark
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/23/07 04:27 AM

LOL I'm stalled on the piece, "Sakura," but not because it's hard, but rather due to being preoccupied with trying to learn Cristofori's Dream. I saw it on Youtube and I simply had to learn how to play it! I simply needed a change of pace from the songs in this book. They were boring me to death lol!

BTW, here's the song.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aBfFI-Xdrvs
Posted by: crusadar

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/23/07 07:01 AM

I can buy "Alfred's Basic Adult Piano Course: Adult All-In-One Level 2" Book here in the UK but seemingly not with the CD, which means I would have to order from the USA again and the shipping is almost the same cost as that of the book. I wondered if there is away of buying the CD content by downloading it from the internet, any suggestions would be gratefully received.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/23/07 09:32 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by redcoat:
I can buy "Alfred's Basic Adult Piano Course: Adult All-In-One Level 2" Book here in the UK but seemingly not with the CD, which means I would have to order from the USA again and the shipping is almost the same cost as that of the book. I wondered if there is away of buying the CD content by downloading it from the internet, any suggestions would be gratefully received. [/b]
I'd see how many of the songs you can dig up on You-Tube and the Internet. I'd love to have people upload their songs from each book to each corresponding thread, just for situations like yours. If I ever get cured of red dot fever I'll upload some...

Msrk
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/23/07 09:41 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by z32:
LOL I'm stalled on the piece, "Sakura," but not because it's hard, but rather due to being preoccupied with trying to learn Cristofori's Dream. I saw it on Youtube and I simply had to learn how to play it! I simply needed a change of pace from the songs in this book. They were boring me to death lol!

BTW, here's the song.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aBfFI-Xdrvs [/b]
Wow!! What a great piece. I was hoping it was in Alfred book 2...how hard is it. Must go on my to do list...

Thanks Mark
Posted by: funburger

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/23/07 01:14 PM

Mark, i just recorded this, i didnt do the repeat, as once through was enough, and i screwed up the ending because i am used to doing the repeat. ah well you get the idea. its not perfect but its light and blue to give you an idea:) plus i just adjusted my piano yesterday so the feel is much different than i am used to:) better but i still need to get used to it. hope this helps. take care!!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6893189391630880037

loly, yeah, it seems that your computer has lost its color:) hehehehehe. no it was just fun to make it that way:)
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/23/07 01:21 PM

Mark, I don't have roman holiday in my book. send me the scanned sheets if you want and I'll give it a whirl tomorrow.

thanks
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/23/07 01:27 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
Mark, I don't have roman holiday in my book. send me the scanned sheets if you want and I'll give it a whirl tomorrow.

thanks [/b]
OK. I'm off to a ball game but should have it to you by tomorrow at the latest.

Thanks

PS: I'm, really liking the "Light and Blue"...
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/23/07 01:33 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by funburger:
Mark, i just recorded this, i didnt do the repeat, as once through was enough, and i screwed up the ending because i am used to doing the repeat. ah well you get the idea. its not perfect but its light and blue to give you an idea:) plus i just adjusted my piano yesterday so the feel is much different than i am used to:) better but i still need to get used to it. hope this helps. take care!!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6893189391630880037

[/b]
Wow! Funburger, you really play well!

I'm getting it down myself, but don't have the speed and timing down yet.

Both you and loly really are doing great.

Thanks, this not only helps me but everyone in the Alfred program.

Mark
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/23/07 02:05 PM

wow I agree, the funburger makes it look so easy. She flows, I struggled through it after not seeing it for so long. She has talent and skillz \:D
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/23/07 03:45 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark737:
Wow!! What a great piece. I was hoping it was in Alfred book 2...how hard is it. Must go on my to do list...

Thanks Mark [/b]
The pace of the song, as you can see, goes right along with what we are doing in Alfred's Book 2. There doesn't seem to be anything in this piece that you shouldn't have learned by now by following the Alfred's Books. The only things that might seemingly pose some problems for some are consecutive octaves, consecutive 3rds, and one tiny scale movement. My only problem so far(aside from the time length of the song since I'm working on memorizing it) is getting down the use of the consecutive octaves which are found throughout the song. Going by what I've done with Alfred's so far, there really hasn't been a song that makes use of consecutive octaves, so it takes some getting used to in order to get my hand in that octave position for play. I started this song about 1 week ago, and I've memorized about half of the song at this point. It's really long(6 min+) LOL! But you know what, I've committed myself to getting this song down; I simply can't get it off my head!

BTW, if you liked this song, I highly recommend you check out this Marriage D'Amour rendition by the same guy from Youtube. I did that right after I finished Alfred's Book 1. It's a fairly simply song, but it has a great sound to it! Here's a link.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=S4T4TbPjNU8
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/24/07 01:56 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by z32:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark737:
[qb]Wow!! What a great piece. I was hoping it was in Alfred book 2...how hard is it. Must go on my to do list...

Thanks Mark [/b]
The pace of the song, as you can see, goes right along with what we are doing in Alfred's Book 2. There doesn't seem to be anything in this piece that you shouldn't have learned by now by following the Alfred's Books. The only things that might seemingly pose some problems for some are consecutive octaves, consecutive 3rds, and one tiny scale movement. My only problem so far(aside from the time length of the song since I'm working on memorizing it) is getting down the use of the consecutive octaves which are found throughout the song. Going by what I've done with Alfred's so far, there really hasn't been a song that makes use of consecutive octaves, so it takes some getting used to in order to get my hand in that octave position for play. I started this song about 1 week ago, and I've memorized about half of the song at this point. It's really long(6 min+) LOL! But you know what, I've committed myself to getting this song down; I simply can't get it off my head!
I hope your right, I would love to play that song. I'm currently working on so much stuff, I have to wait for Christofs Dream. But I'll eventually get there...

Thanks Mark
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/24/07 09:40 PM

To everyone who has been following and/or participating in the Alfred threads, I just wanted to let you know that I started a thread in the teachers forum asking for teacher volunteers to help us in our learning journey. Since most of us are beginners I thought it would be nice to have some excellent resources to help us when we run into problems. I want to thanks Chris and sarabande for their help and anyone else who would like to offer their advise.

Mark
Posted by: crusadar

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/25/07 02:31 PM

 Quote:
I'd see how many of the songs you can dig up on You-Tube and the Internet. I'd love to have people upload their songs from each book to each corresponding thread, just for situations like yours. If I ever get cured of red dot fever I'll upload some...
Thanks Mark, I managed to find a music supplier over here who is selling me the Book #2 + CD for £17.00 inc. postage, thats roughly double the cost of buying it in the USA though.

Thanks for starting these Alfred's threads, reading other members experiences and input is great incentive to keep my head down and practice. I'm slowly getting there...next stop You Tube.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/25/07 03:10 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by redcoat:
 Quote:
I'd see how many of the songs you can dig up on You-Tube and the Internet. I'd love to have people upload their songs from each book to each corresponding thread, just for situations like yours. If I ever get cured of red dot fever I'll upload some...
Thanks Mark, I managed to find a music supplier over here who is selling me the Book #2 + CD for £17.00 inc. postage, thats roughly double the cost of buying it in the USA though.

Thanks for starting these Alfred's threads, reading other members experiences and input is great incentive to keep my head down and practice. I'm slowly getting there...next stop You Tube. [/b]
I'm glad you found it. The CD will help. I'd love to eventually have every song and exercise from the corresponding books uploaded by those using the books. If I ever get over my red dot fever I will post some myself. \:D

And thanks for the kind words. This forum, the members (loly, and now some teachers and a cast of many) and these threads really keep me motivated and progressing as well...

And don't forget to link us to your You Tube performances...

Mark
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/27/07 12:11 AM

I have to say it again, I'm really enjoying "Light and Blue" in book two. For a beginner method song, it really grabs you...

I seem to really gravitate to the Blues song so far...hummm...
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/27/07 08:05 AM

I liked the 2 songs that are in your book which aren't in mine. Tumbalakaika and Roman Holiday. I thought those were so neato.

It's kind of funny, I used to dislike the blues songs but once I start playing them I like them.

I'm at a standstill right now and getting antsy. My teacher had to cancel our class last saturday so I'm still stuck with the music my old teacher assigned me on 17 May since I didn't get my first lesson till 3 weeks after I had them assigned. \:\(
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/27/07 09:38 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:

It's kind of funny, I used to dislike the blues songs but once I start playing them I like them [/b]
I've been the same way. When I start the blues song, I'm not thrilled, but once you start getting it to speed, you really enjoy it.

If your board I have another song for you... \:D
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/27/07 12:01 PM

yes, please please give me another. My husband is off today so he can be the pups chew toy. weeee. looking forward to getting it.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/04/07 01:37 PM

Hey Mark,

I think you're going to like Village dance. It's simple but has a neat catchy tune. \:D
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/04/07 08:06 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
Hey Mark,

I think you're going to like Village dance. It's simple but has a neat catchy tune. \:D [/b]
Good because La Raspa is killing me...uggh \:\)

I'm still probably 2-3 months from Village dance.

Mark
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/04/07 09:20 PM

^^^^ LOL I hated La Raspa. Sounded horrible. It's not even an issue of it being a hard song, just that the overall melody of the song was awful, IMO. I'm really hoping there's some good songs in the next near pages. \:D
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/04/07 09:31 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by z32:
^^^^ LOL I hated La Raspa. Sounded horrible. It's not even an issue of it being a hard song, just that the overall melody of the song was awful, IMO. I'm really hoping there's some good songs in the next near pages. \:D [/b]
I cheated and checked out Scherzo...its a sweet piece, as well as Introduction and Dance. But be warned, La Cucaracha follows those songs... \:D
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/04/07 09:37 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark737:
 Quote:
Originally posted by z32:
^^^^ LOL I hated La Raspa. Sounded horrible. It's not even an issue of it being a hard song, just that the overall melody of the song was awful, IMO. I'm really hoping there's some good songs in the next near pages. \:D [/b]
I cheated and checked out Scherzo...its a sweet piece, as well as Introduction and Dance. But be warned, La Cucaracha follows those songs... \:D [/b]
Ah yea, I remember those. Scherzo and Intro and Dance were a few of the ones I liked! I guess since I've learned songs like Marriage D'amour and Cristofori's Dream, these songs in the book seem a bit simple for me hehe.
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/05/07 09:04 PM

My teacher hates La Cucaracha and let me skip it:) That's the only time she's done that!
I'm on Braham's Lullaby now.......

Char
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/05/07 10:04 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mamawatchman:
My teacher hates La Cucaracha and let me skip it:) That's the only time she's done that!
I'm on Braham's Lullaby now.......

Char [/b]
I'll go over it and mess with it for a week or so, but that one I'm going to let go really fast... \:D
Posted by: newcar

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/06/07 12:16 AM

Does any one have the book in PDF format? I only have the first one.

And am not from USA, so i cant find this book here and its hard to import.

PM me if you have the PDF, it will help me a lot, thx!
Posted by: funburger

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/06/07 01:22 AM

newcar, you can buy a copy on ebay. sorry i wont pdf it and send it, thats a copyright violation. however ebay and amazon is a great place to start and buy.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/06/07 10:10 AM

A little update on my book two progress...

Well I kind of hit a wall today. I've been practicing like crazy while I've been on vacation and doubling up my Alfred work load. But yesterday I hit a wall with the second page of "Introd to Dance" I need to take a step back and tighten up some of these songs before I push ahead.

And it was funny regarding Scherzo, I went ahead trying it out and was playing it all wrong, It sounded great though!!. Teacher fixed it...I give you self teachers credit. Without my teacher I would be making many errors that I don't even realize.

So I'm a little down because of the problems, but I hit spots like this in book one and with time and hard work was able to get past these bumps in the road...

I must fight this down period and forge ahead...

Mark

So how's everyone else doing? \:D
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/06/07 10:11 AM

La Raspa and Cucaracha were not special favorites, here, either.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/06/07 01:55 PM

Hey mark,

Hope you're having a great time on vacation.

Maybe you're trying too hard and overloading. Take a step back, maybe a 1 or 2 day break will help you. Approach them in a non chalant way, relaxed and don't be so hard on yourself.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/06/07 02:47 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
Hey mark,

Hope you're having a great time on vacation.

Maybe you're trying too hard and overloading. Take a step back, maybe a 1 or 2 day break will help you. Approach them in a non chalant way, relaxed and don't be so hard on yourself. [/b]
I have been going a bit heavy and will regroup. But I'm on the MOMD list and must play every day. \:D

Plus I go back to work tomorrow night...that will slow me down a little. I want to retire now!!

Thanks loly
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/08/07 07:58 AM

Mark,

I bought a yamaha ypg 625 and recorded village dance in strings for you \:D

http://www.box.net/shared/xhtjxkvt81
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/08/07 08:21 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
Mark,

I bought a yamaha ypg 625 and recorded village dance in strings for you \:D

http://www.box.net/shared/xhtjxkvt81 [/b]
Wow...that sounded great! Thanks!

So what made you go digital?
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/08/07 09:47 AM

Oh I didn't go digital per say. I'm still an acoustic gal through and through.

I love my piano but the action seems to be getting on the heavy side and my wrists are taking a beating. My piano teacher tested it yesterday and confirmed it was on the heavy side.

I went piano shopping and loved how easily I could play on a piano with a lighter action, and the sounds sustain as opposed to mine. It's kind of flat.

sooooo I'm having a master tuner coming out on tuesday who said he could do quite a few things to it to make the action lighter, but after playing those 52" kawai, I have to say it won't be long before I trade up.

anyway my husband had bought me a little yamaha portable keyboard that i play sometimes (not weighted or anything ypt 300)and I loved playing with the voices on it.

I always wanted a digital to play with but got turned off at the prices at the piano store 12,000 for a roland 2295, for a used bare bones one.

a few days ago I went to a music shop (guitar center) to buy a usb to midi cable for my little keyboard and when I saw the tons of keyboards and digital pianos with weighted keys for 200-3000 bucks I said "wth?".

so I went home starry eyed and told my husband. guess what? they have digital pianos and keyboards for less than 12,000. so we went there yesterday and i tested everything from 1000 and below. and believe it or not I preferred the ypg 625 to the yamaha digital piano. for 795.00 i got the keboard with the table and pedal to go with it.

here's a picture of my hubby putting the final touches on it




so here is where it gets really neat. last night I sat at it and played and it was so much nicer on the wrists, I was relaxed and my fingers moved around the keyboard with ease. I then went to my acoustic and my touch was lighter and I applied the technic I was using on the keyboard which my new teacher is helping me with and found it much easier to do.

I also got some sheet music for "have you ever really loved a woman" by bryan adams from the movie "Don Juan de Marco" with Johnny Depp. I was surprised to finally find a piano solo. It is kind of late elementary but I can't wait to do it with guitars \:D
Posted by: funburger

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/08/07 03:16 PM

Congrats loly!!! you will have so much fun with the digital!! i havent listened to your recording yet but will get to it shortly!! your piano shouldnt be too hard to adjust the touch on either:) congrats again!!!


edited, i just listend to your village dance, very impressive. i like the strings effect, makes it sound pretty and interesting!! congrats again, and great playing!!!
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/08/07 04:31 PM

Again, loly congrats on the new DP...best part is with head phones you can play at any time day or night...
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/08/07 06:34 PM

Ok I'm at "The Circus"and "Hikey Pokey" and I hate them. yukkkkkkk
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/09/07 07:41 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
Ok I'm at "The Circus"and "Hikey Pokey" and I hate them. yukkkkkkk [/b]
Think of it as pain for some gain... \:D

Next week is my dreaded Cucaracha...uggh...
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/09/07 10:54 AM

Oh man, I really need to check my spelling. Hikey Pokey? hahahahahahah

they're not difficult just annoying music and. he he These are 2 that would have qualified for the skippy but it's the first 2 pieces after the chromatic scale so it's not wise to skip them.
Posted by: PianoTeacherKim

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/10/07 04:11 PM

Loly,

Congrats on the new digital! What fun!

Mark, I actually like Cucaracha... call me crazy. Once you learn it, you can go totally goofy, over-the-top with it. \:\)

Best,

Kim
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/10/07 05:39 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by PianoTeacherKim:

Mark, I actually like Cucaracha... call me crazy. Once you learn it, you can go totally goofy, over-the-top with it. \:\)

Best,

Kim [/b]
I'll let you know in a week or two. I hope your right.

All I know is that I really like the Scherzo piece, for some reason it feels good to play, the cord changes and melody just work so well...I wish all the songs I work on went this well...
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/10/07 09:01 PM

Thanks Kim, I'm having a blast going from the digital to the acoustic. I don't know why I'm more relaxed on the digital so it helps me transpose that relaxation to the acoustic.
Posted by: PianoTeacherKim

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/18/07 10:39 PM

How's everyone doing this week?

Practicing? Hmmmmmmm? :-)

Kim
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/18/07 10:49 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by PianoTeacherKim:
How's everyone doing this week?

Practicing? Hmmmmmmm? :-)

Kim [/b]
I'm trying to finish Cucaracha and move on... \:D Lesson tomorrow.
Posted by: PianoTeacherKim

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/20/07 12:10 PM

Hi Mark,

Hope you have a great lesson! Let us know how it goes!

Best,

Kim
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/20/07 01:36 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by PianoTeacherKim:
Hi Mark,

Hope you have a great lesson! Let us know how it goes!

Best,

Kim [/b]
Well I did Cucaracha for the teacher. It's better than last week, but still weak. I'm going to still work on cleaning it up. But I'm now on to the very nice "The House of the Rising Sun"
Posted by: PianoTeacherKim

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/21/07 05:18 PM

Ah, having something more enjoyable to practice. A good thing!
Posted by: sarabande

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/21/07 05:30 PM

It's interesting to read which pieces everyone likes and everyone hates from the Alfred's. Scherzo and House of the Rising Sun are pretty good ones.

Sounds like you guys are making excellent progress!
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/21/07 10:27 PM

I started nagila hava and it's fun as well as a bit longer than most of alfred's. this one is a 4 pager
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/22/07 12:48 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by sarabande:
It's interesting to read which pieces everyone likes and everyone hates from the Alfred's. Scherzo and House of the Rising Sun are pretty good ones.

Sounds like you guys are making excellent progress! [/b]
Its tough working on songs that you don't particularly care for, but I force myself because I know there is some technique that I need to get out of those songs. In book one I really didn't like "o sole mio" but after finally getting it down well, it became kind of a favorite...you just never know sometimes.

Mark
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/22/07 12:50 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
I started nagila hava and it's fun as well as a bit longer than most of alfred's. this one is a 4 pager [/b]
Wow...4 pages...are you doing any of Alfred book 2 anymore?
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/22/07 12:55 PM

nagila hava is in my alfreds book 2. I have the all in one adult, not sure if it's in yours. it is really nice though, i'm liking it
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/22/07 03:35 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
nagila hava is in my alfreds book 2. I have the all in one adult, not sure if it's in yours. it is really nice though, i'm liking it [/b]
I'll have to check it out. I thought Canon D at the end was the longest piece.

Mark
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/22/07 03:48 PM

Oh I'm sure canon is, I just mentioned the 4 pager because it's the longest one so far. \:D
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/22/07 05:27 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
Oh I'm sure canon is, I just mentioned the 4 pager because it's the longest one so far. \:D [/b]
No, the song is not in my book. Just the Canon D as the last song.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/23/07 02:24 AM

ahhh well hava is really nice, if you want it pm me. canon is 4 pages as well
Posted by: PianoTeacherKim

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/25/07 03:10 PM

Mark and everyone,

It's interesting you mentioned not liking 'O Sole Mio' and then liking it once you learned it. You've hit on something there.

Often, as adults, our default response to something difficult is "I don't like it." It may or may not really be true! It's kind of a knee-jerk reaction, more to the difficulty of learning than to the song itself. Kids do it, too.

A song being difficult isn't initially as fun as playing something you know and love. But there's fun in the challenge of conquering something you haven't done before. \:\)

Just throwing this out there -- checking up on how your thoughts affect your piano playing can be a helpful exercise from time to time!

Best,

Kim
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/25/07 04:46 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by PianoTeacherKim:
Mark and everyone,

It's interesting you mentioned not liking 'O Sole Mio' and then liking it once you learned it. You've hit on something there.

Often, as adults, our default response to something difficult is "I don't like it." It may or may not really be true! It's kind of a knee-jerk reaction, more to the difficulty of learning than to the song itself. Kids do it, too.

A song being difficult isn't initially as fun as playing something you know and love. But there's fun in the challenge of conquering something you haven't done before. \:\)

Just throwing this out there -- checking up on how your thoughts affect your piano playing can be a helpful exercise from time to time!

Best,

Kim [/b]
Thats why I have changed my attitude when I go up against songs that really are difficult for me. I take it as a challenge and put everything into it. Then you have this piece of music in your back pocket, and can move on, hopefully that much a better player. than you were before the song...

I enjoy seening the small growth you get over time and with that understand how people with more experience get so good. In time and with hard work each one us can reach that level we only dream of...
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/25/07 05:51 PM

Funny how often that happens. I rememer when I was singing regularly. More than once, we would start a piece and I would think: "ehh", but by the time we learned it and were ready to perform, I really enjoyed singing it. Some things just have to grow on you, I think.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/28/07 07:30 PM

I'm on nagila hava and I practiced the first 2 pages. Just for fun I recorded it on my digital keyboard with 2 voices. Guitar and strings.

It's not perfect but I love the song and once I finish it all I'll try to record the whole thing.

http://www.box.net/shared/ho8h4aa8nf
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/29/07 12:01 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
I'm on nagila hava and I practiced the first 2 pages. Just for fun I recorded it on my digital keyboard with 2 voices. Guitar and strings.

It's not perfect but I love the song and once I finish it all I'll try to record the whole thing.

http://www.box.net/shared/ho8h4aa8nf [/b]
All I can say is "WOW"

It sounds like you taped it from a live show...
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/29/07 05:36 PM

ok the last 2 pages of hava are kicking my backside. I'm only taking a few measures per day because it's not sinking in but then everytime I find a challenging piece it clicks after the second day so I'm hoping for the best
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/31/07 12:02 PM

Well I'm going to have to move to alfred's 1 post, it's busier and chattier than this one.

I'm thoroughly frustrated with Nagila Hava last two pages. I need a shoulder to cry on, I watched and fell asleep to pirates of the caribbean 3 instead of practicing yesterday. I'm afraid of it \:\(

ho hum
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/31/07 01:32 PM

Oh, dear. I'm sorry it's giving you so much trouble. And I have no advice to offer, I'm afraid- that one was not in my Alfred's 2 book...
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/31/07 01:39 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
Well I'm going to have to move to alfred's 1 post, it's busier and chattier than this one.

I'm thoroughly frustrated with Nagila Hava last two pages. I need a shoulder to cry on, I watched and fell asleep to pirates of the caribbean 3 instead of practicing yesterday. I'm afraid of it \:\(

ho hum [/b]
Did you try slowing it down and just doing one measure at a time? I bet in a couple of weeks you have it nailed down.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/31/07 03:31 PM

Ya I'm doing that section very slow, I have no choice he he. I've only worked on it Sunday and a little bit of it yesterday before the movie. I'm going to work on it in earnest today.

I'm sure it's easy for tons of people but for some reason I'm having trouble with it. I'm going to scan the pages and post it.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/31/07 04:14 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by loly:
Ya I'm doing that section very slow, I have no choice he he. I've only worked on it Sunday and a little bit of it yesterday before the movie. I'm going to work on it in earnest today.

I'm sure it's easy for tons of people but for some reason I'm having trouble with it. I'm going to scan the pages and post it. [/b]
Great, I'd like to see it. If you are having trouble, I'll just skip it till next year... \:D
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/31/07 05:22 PM

ok it's starting to work a little, I guess I just needed to sit down and concentrate for 15 minutes. I still need to work on it but it's a little better.

http://www.box.net/shared/npd81i7r4f

http://www.box.net/shared/nrk9z5bmii
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/31/07 08:23 PM

Hey, thanks for that! I remember that one being loads of fun to sing, so I may give it a try on piano.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/01/07 10:07 AM

yay let me know how it goes.

I did sit down and gave it about 15 minutes yesterday and got 4 measures down pretty good. my fingers are starting to remember.

i think i panicked prematurely. i didn't get a good practice in on sunday so I didn't give it my all, so when monday came around and i was still boggled i panicked.

my pup is taking up alot of my time. he needs to be watched constantly. he's a little goat and likes to swallow everything.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/01/07 10:14 AM

woops double post
Posted by: dat99

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/20/07 03:58 AM

I am just starting Introduction and Dance. I like it very much but I do have problems with the first line on the second page. But so far I like the book. I even like La Raspa!
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/20/07 04:10 AM

Hello everyone! I began Book 2 two weeks ago, although I have to admit that I'm not working too consistently out of it (my other pieces are much more interesting -hehe). I'm almost finished with Light and Blue and about to start the next one (I forgot the title).

One question though? What's the main difference between the regular and the All-In-One Book? I have the regular but am missing songs like Nagila Hava.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/20/07 04:12 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by dat99:
I am just starting Introduction and Dance. I like it very much but I do have problems with the first line on the second page. But so far I like the book. I even like La Raspa! [/b]
So far I like many of the songs in book 2. La Raspa isn't as bad as Caccurcha...or however you spell it...lol
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/20/07 04:14 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by pianoluvr:
Hello everyone! I began Book 2 two weeks ago, although I have to admit that I'm not working too consistently out of it (my other pieces are much more interesting -hehe). I'm almost finished with Light and Blue and about to start the next one (I forgot the title).

One question though? What's the main difference between the regular and the All-In-One Book? I have the regular but am missing songs like Nagila Hava. [/b]
I believe the All in one has a few more songs and some more theory...
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/20/07 12:36 PM

Yes, what Mark said. The All in one has about 30 more pieces and lots more theory.
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/20/07 09:04 PM

Oh I see. Too bad I didn't get that version then. Nagila Hava sounds nice.
Posted by: dat99

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/22/07 02:56 AM

I have the basic book too. Does anybody else have the cd. I think it does help some. I can play La Raspa with the cd but Scherzo and dance, I got lost!
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/22/07 01:20 PM

Pianoluvr, I'll scan the complete nagila hava for you. It's actually one of the nicer arranged pieces I've run into so far, here's 2 pages of it. I'll scan the other 2 this evening.

this is page 3 and 4, I'll scan 1 and 2 this evening. http://www.box.net/shared/3mutra7cjf

dat, no one has the cd for book 2 that I know of. Most of us will make recordings to help out. funburger is really good at picking it up right away. I have to play it for about 20 minutes to get back in the groove.

I do have an old scherzo recording when I first started practicing it, if you want to listen. I should have recorded it when I got it down really good but sometimes, life is a bit rushed around my house. \:D Don't mind the mistakes and hope it helps out a little.

http://www.box.net/shared/mxyf11fkdh
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/23/07 01:16 AM

 Quote:
Pianoluvr, I'll scan the complete nagila hava for you. It's actually one of the nicer arranged pieces I've run into so far, here's 2 pages of it. I'll scan the other 2 this evening.

this is page 3 and 4, I'll scan 1 and 2 this evening. http://www.box.net/shared/3mutra7cjf
Thanks so much! It looks like a really fun piece. I can't wait to give it a try. Probably will have to wait for the weekend though. School's started. Blergh. ;\)

So, how's everyone doing in Book 2?
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/23/07 03:42 AM

I'm on Aloha and Pomp and Circumstance this week. I hate them both, lol, but I know that I really need to work on the arpeggiated chords so am trying. I've been trying Pomp and Circumstance with different voices on my Clavinova since I can't seem to get into it. Just having an off week, I guess. Last week was the Space Shuttle Blues which I really liked. Glad this thread got bumped back up.

Char
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/23/07 04:05 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mamawatchman:
I'm on Aloha and Pomp and Circumstance this week. I hate them both, lol, but I know that I really need to work on the arpeggiated chords so am trying. I've been trying Pomp and Circumstance with different voices on my Clavinova since I can't seem to get into it. Just having an off week, I guess. Last week was the Space Shuttle Blues which I really liked. Glad this thread got bumped back up.

Char [/b]
I didn't want to hear about any bummer songs...lol I'm about six or seven songs behind you. I will say there are some really nice pieces in this book.
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/23/07 04:17 AM

 Quote:
I didn't want to hear about any bummer songs...lol I'm about six or seven songs behind you. I will say there are some really nice pieces in this book.
Maybe it's not the songs, my attitude in general isn't that great this week (rough week at work) I agree with you that there are some nice pieces in this book. Guess I'll work on an attitude adjustment as well as my arpeggiated chords. lol

Char
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/23/07 04:55 PM

hey mama, I find learning the pieces much easier when I use different voices on my digital. Not sure why but it works so well for me especially in the difficult sections.
Posted by: dat99

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/23/07 08:09 PM

I am not that far yet. I have a stupid question. In the song Scherzo, the end of the third line on the second page says both hands 8va. Do they mean both hands an octave higher or the right hand an octave higher and the left hand an octave lower. I get confused about this!
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/23/07 11:13 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by dat99:
I am not that far yet. I have a stupid question. In the song Scherzo, the end of the third line on the second page says both hands 8va. Do they mean both hands an octave higher or the right hand an octave higher and the left hand an octave lower. I get confused about this! [/b]
Both hands an octave higher...
Posted by: dat99

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/25/07 01:18 AM

Thanks Mark for your answer. Now I know how to do it. It is hard for me to get the ending up to speed.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/25/07 02:55 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by dat99:
Thanks Mark for your answer. Now I know how to do it. It is hard for me to get the ending up to speed. [/b]
Its just a matter of practice, in a short time you will have it down. I rather enjoy this piece too, I play it with a serious sound than the happy sound that it was intended...

Keep up the good work...

Mark
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/27/07 02:15 AM

Just wondering if anyone goes back and plays the earlier pieces in the book after you have moved on in your lessons. I have a tendency to just work on my current assignments and if I have time try pieces from other sources than my Alfred's. I know there are a few that I would enjoy playing again in the Alfred's, but I just don't think to play them.

Char
Posted by: 80z_Chick

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/27/07 02:42 AM

I'm just finishing up "Battle hymn of the republic". I really enjoyed "Arkansas traveler" and "Musetta's waltz"
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/27/07 11:41 AM

Kind of funny that you asked that mamawatchman, I did last week. I had been without lessons for a few weeks and was a little bored and ended up playing some of my old stuff. I was surprised that it only took a few tries to get back in the swing.

It's recommended that you take 10 minutes and play your last piece. Which reminds me, I should so that more often. \:D
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/27/07 06:06 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mamawatchman:
Just wondering if anyone goes back and plays the earlier pieces in the book after you have moved on in your lessons. I have a tendency to just work on my current assignments and if I have time try pieces from other sources than my Alfred's. I know there are a few that I would enjoy playing again in the Alfred's, but I just don't think to play them.

Char [/b]
I'm up to Brahms Lullaby and I play book 2 from the beginning everyday. It helps me fine tune pieces that I haven't played as clean as I would like...
Posted by: dat99

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/28/07 12:56 AM

Brahms Lullaby looks hard. I'm doing The House of the Rising Sun. I always have trouble with broken chords. I like to go back and do the other stuff but I always run out of time.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/28/07 02:26 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by dat99:
Brahms Lullaby looks hard. I'm doing The House of the Rising Sun. I always have trouble with broken chords. I like to go back and do the other stuff but I always run out of time. [/b]
For me it takes a while to play pieces clean. Thats why I try to run through the book each day. Over time they get up to speed. Brahms Lullaby will take some time. My first run through, I couldn't even make it out...:lol
The daily repetition is what really help me get these songs down.
Posted by: ipooh

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/30/07 01:04 PM

Hello, is anyone able to help me to scan "Canon in D"? I would like to learn it after seeing the playing from funburger. She just simply did it so nicely and beautifully =) Also i don't think i would want to purchase the book 2 just because of this one song. I'm still looking out for a suitable book to continue with my playing. Thinking of book 3 or faber.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/30/07 01:24 PM

I can scan it, I still have to scan the rest of nagila hava. I'll do it when I do nagila. I'll try to do it after class tonight, I was supposed to scan it last weekend but I had so much stuff going on.
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/02/07 07:33 PM

Just started on Swinging Sevenths. What a pretty tune. The timing seems a little tricky in the second bar (it repeats every other bar for a while), but I think I'm doing it right. I'll find out at my next lesson, I guess. Still trying to finish up Pomp and Circimstance. Just when I think I have it, I start messing it up again. My teacher told me at my last lesson, that I had actually played it better the week before! ( I have to say that I agree). Hopefully, I'll get it right this week. 3 weeks is plenty long to spend on this piece!

How's everybody else doing?

Char
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/03/07 12:19 PM

Hey everyone! Well, I'm on Morning Has Broken. My teacher and I just started it yesterday. It doesn't look very bad. So far, I have to say I'm a bit disappointed with the songs in Alfred 2. They're not particularly difficult. Are they really pretty easy or am I just not far enough in the book yet?
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/03/07 03:28 PM

Canon In D

http://www.box.net/shared/jkg1y4mn36

Nagila Hava

http://www.box.net/shared/3mutra7cjf

Looks like I'm not following Alfreds anymore, I'll find out on thursday. I think we're going to continue but it's not as focused as before. She assigns me stuff from different books. She's so energetic and so in charge. I love it!!!

My teacher has me on Helen Curtis and we jump around and I've learned and improved so much in just 2 lessons. My husband commented yesterday how different I was playing.

Right now I'm on Beethoven's Sonatina in G, Nava (memorized hopefully done with it this week), Tchaikovsky Theme from Piano Concerto no. 1 from Piano adventures level 3b page 24 and 25 (this one is easy I wanted to do this one).

In addition I'm doing czerny exercises and some etudes from Helen Curtis book 1 and some really interesting exercises study in 3rds, doing legato by puhsing on keys.
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/03/07 06:09 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by pianoluvr:
Hey everyone! Well, I'm on Morning Has Broken. My teacher and I just started it yesterday. It doesn't look very bad. So far, I have to say I'm a bit disappointed with the songs in Alfred 2. They're not particularly difficult. Are they really pretty easy or am I just not far enough in the book yet? [/b]
I think there is a lot of review at the beginning, so yes they do get harder the further you go. At least it seems so to me. I was really challenged last week with the arpeggios in the Aloha song, but can really see some improvement. I think (so far) that book 2 is more about fine tuning tecniques now that we are getting better at reading and timing, etc.

Char
Posted by: Sundew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/05/07 01:37 PM

Hi
I've just started on Book 2 though still struggling with Amazin Grace. I decided I could get stuck there for too long. I'm enjoying working my way through the Faber Adult Adventures, the early pieces have been good sight reading practice and I like having a CD, so I just bought the Alfred level 2 one. As I have the all in one book, this is a bit of a disappointment. For those considering acquiring it, it has 43 tracks, of which 37{ish} are in the all in one book, leaving approx 30 songs in the all in one uncovered. I have not yet opened it as I am undecided over whether or not to keep it, though I suspect I will.

I regularly review earlier pieces, particularly those which have given me a problem.

Oxfords Gal, sounds like you have landed on your feet with your teacher and are taking off to new levels. \:\)
Posted by: ipooh

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/05/07 02:13 PM

Oxfords Gal, thanks for the effort in helping to scan Canon in D. That's very nice of you =) Also glad to know that your teacher has actually help/guide you to improve in your playing. I'm still quite hesitate to get a teacher cos' not sure whether i can catch up with the pace. Has always been feeling rather tired after work every day and not sure how you ppls cope with practising after that....is it the burning passion for piano in each and everyone of you that keep you ppls going?
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/05/07 06:37 PM

hi ipooh,

thanks, I was glad to do it.

Well I'll tell your from my personal experience.

I get up at 430 am to be at work at 630am, I have a house 3 dogs and a husband so I have plenty of work to do when I get home as well. \:D

I love the piano but I'm not overboard with it and I had a bad experience with a good teacher so my love for what i was doing dwindled a bit.

My motivation dwindled even more with my dissappointment in my second teacher.

In comes in teacher number 3. There are teachers then there are teachers who can teach. This lady loves to teach and our lessons are an hour and a half long. This lady's energy and enthusiam and gift for teaching has me only thinking of the piano. I am so enthused that i go to bed late just to practice and staying up late is unheard of for me.

She had me doing grace notes from a simple technic, that alone made me so happy. I had given up on doing grace notes for the past year and I learned within seconds something that I couldn't do in a year. Now I look forward to them. Everything about the way she teaches is amazing. She is truly a blessing and a gift that came into my life.

So to sum it up her passion is contagious and her ability to teach and get results quickly is contagious. Not to mention her good humor, positive energy and beautiful outlook on life.
Posted by: Sundew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/06/07 08:33 PM

ah well,the penny finally dropped. I hadn't realised there was also a CD for the all in one.

Ipooh, I don't work so practice time is not an issue for me. Enthusiasm still burns strong, despite getting frustrated at my progress, or lack thereof! Usually when I can't get my head and hands around a sequence. Mind you, my gaff with the CD shows there are times when my brain isn't properly engaged. I'm hoping the shop has the other CD and will do an exchange.
Posted by: funburger

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/06/07 08:44 PM

Loly, i am not sure if i posted before about this, but i am VERY HAPPY you and your teacher are doing well together, and you are progressing!!! with motivation!! and encouragement!! what a great start with the new teacher!!! Congrats on finding the one for you!!!
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/07/07 11:22 AM

thanks funburger, you were right all along. your feelings were right on track. \:D

We were laughing in class yesterday when I told her I was going to have to start carrying a roller suitcase for my books. She has me working out of 4 method books (yes I have assignments out of all), scales, arpeggios and czerny).

What I like most is she has me playing real music aside from alfred's clunkers \:D
Posted by: funburger

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/07/07 12:46 PM

Loly, I think that is great!!! she sounds like a Wonderful teacher!! alot of teachers especially at the beginner stages dont like to stray from the beginner series. You really got blessed with this teacher loly, see the heinz commercial is right, good things happen to people who wait \:D

i can not wait to hear your next recital piece!! you will probably be playing some Rach. by then \:D
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/07/07 01:32 PM

 Quote:
i can not wait to hear your next recital piece!! you will probably be playing some Rach
ughhh that's what she said. I'm skeered :p
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/07/07 08:49 PM

Wow Loly, that's great! Your enthusiasm is positively contagious. It makes ME excited about going to my lesson, and I don't appreciate my teacher as much as that (not to say I don't love her). You're definitely going to have to tell us how everything's going.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/09/07 02:01 AM

A very short piece from book two:

Lonesome Road:

http://www.box.net/shared/3cy3or3yvp
Posted by: Perplexed

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/09/07 03:42 AM

As of last Friday, I can start posting in this thread since my teacher is letting me start on Alfred's Book #2.

The first few songs don't seem too bad difficulty-wise (as long as the usual practice is given to them). I'm currently at "Roman Holiday".

I haven't read through all the posts in this thread yet (I will after this), but I'm a little surprised, and maybe worried at everyone saying Book #2's song selection isn't the best. I'll wait and see what develops though.

So far, I think "Tumbalalaika" is a beautiful song, and "Light and Blue" is extremely fun to play (especially the portion that alternates between accented chord and melody).

But interestingly, I also received an extra book to practice from alongside the Alfred's books 1 and 2. It's Bastien's "First Sonatinas", and despite the name, they rate it a Level Three book. My teacher compared the songs' difficulties to that of Alfred's Book 2, so they should be possible after a while I hope.

And I'm breathing a sigh of relief seeing the posts here that say Book 2 isn't too hard (Was worried that it would start off with another Amazing Grace-style song).
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/09/07 04:06 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Perplexed:
As of last Friday, I can start posting in this thread since my teacher is letting me start on Alfred's Book #2.

The first few songs don't seem too bad difficulty-wise (as long as the usual practice is given to them). I'm currently at "Roman Holiday".

I haven't read through all the posts in this thread yet (I will after this), but I'm a little surprised, and maybe worried at everyone saying Book #2's song selection isn't the best. I'll wait and see what develops though.

So far, I think "Tumbalalaika" is a beautiful song, and "Light and Blue" is extremely fun to play (especially the portion that alternates between accented chord and melody).

But interestingly, I also received an extra book to practice from alongside the Alfred's books 1 and 2. It's Bastien's "First Sonatinas", and despite the name, they rate it a Level Three book. My teacher compared the songs' difficulties to that of Alfred's Book 2, so they should be possible after a while I hope.

And I'm breathing a sigh of relief seeing the posts here that say Book 2 isn't too hard (Was worried that it would start off with another Amazing Grace-style song). [/b]
Welcome to book two...

It seems that the book starts with some review and a few pieces that are easier than those at the end of book one. But then the pieces start building again.

Personally so far I like most of the songs in book two except a couple. And "Light and Blue" is one of my favorites too. You will recognize many of the songs in this book as you move through it.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Mark
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/09/07 04:48 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
A very short piece from book two:

Lonesome Road:

http://www.box.net/shared/3cy3or3yvp [/b]
Thanks for sharing, Mark...You did a great job! I enjoyed playing that little piece as well. I'm trying to get up the nerve to actually try recording myself sometime. Just for myself..I'm not ready for anyone to hear me, yet, lol

Char
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/09/07 05:18 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mamawatchman:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
A very short piece from book two:

Lonesome Road:

http://www.box.net/shared/3cy3or3yvp [/b]
Thanks for sharing, Mark...You did a great job! I enjoyed playing that little piece as well. I'm trying to get up the nerve to actually try recording myself sometime. Just for myself..I'm not ready for anyone to hear me, yet, lol

Char [/b]
Thanks...something about that simple piece I really like.

Its a lot of work getting a clean recording, even on short pieces. but a by product of doing it is that it improves your piano skills.

So come on...lets hear something. I can add it to the opening page. I'm trying to get all the Alfred songs uploaded to the thread to help others...

Mark
Posted by: krb7694

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/10/07 05:29 PM

I am in book 2 and on the last song, "Cannon in D." Wish me luck!!!
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/10/07 07:12 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by krb7694:
I am in book 2 and on the last song, "Cannon in D." Wish me luck!!! [/b]
Congrats on finishing book two. Thats a major accomplishment!!

Canon in D is a great piece. Funburger has it on video and did a masterful job playing it.

Will you be going to book three?

Mark
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/10/07 10:46 PM

Well, I'm finally back on track with Alfred's Book 2. I've been sidetracked by numerous things, but I'm going to really try to continue on with this book each week. So far, I'm up to Brahms Lullaby, which I started today, and it looks like I'll be finishing it today as well.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/15/07 02:22 AM

Well the timing and rhythm on the "Hokey Pokey" is driving me nuts...
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/15/07 04:08 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
Well the timing and rhythm on the "Hokey Pokey" is driving me nuts... [/b]
I know what you mean. I wasn't sorry to let that one go when my teacher told me I could move on. Hang in there...

Char
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/15/07 08:40 PM

Hmm...La Raspa's driving me nuts. It's not hard or anything. It's just annoying. I started Scherzo today too (I only work on about 2 Alfred pieces a week cuz I have a bunch of random stuff). Really, it's the first song that I really liked in this book. The lyrics are fun! \:\)
Posted by: Sundew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/16/07 09:10 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
A very short piece from book two:

Lonesome Road:

http://www.box.net/shared/3cy3or3yvp [/b]
That was very nice Mark.
Posted by: Sundew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/16/07 09:24 AM

I've been wondering how you guys define easy! :rolleyes: I found Guantanamera {number 3 in the all in one}a bit of a struggle, those beginner stutters all too obvious.

I've just started looking at Light and Blue - RH. I like it. Help please! How do I play the tremolo on the last chord? I've never come across it before. Is it simply playing the notes as written in the explanation very fast and is that the meaning of the extra beams? Similar to an arpeggiated chord but not holding the first note(s)down when playing the second?
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/16/07 08:07 PM

The tremolo is an option. I'm not familar with the term. (I'll check with the teacher) I just have been playing it as written. Its one of my favorite pieces in book 2 by the way...
Posted by: Sundew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/16/07 08:27 PM

Thanks Mark. I've been working on it today. It's fun and not as difficult as I expected, and fun isn't a word I've applied to many of Alfred's pieces. The work on the blues pieces in book one paying off methinks. I think it is going to be one of my favourites too.
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/17/07 03:27 AM

Just got done with Village Dance! That was a fun lil' piece! I learned it my first way through. Probably my fastest learning a new song! \:\)
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/17/07 06:08 AM

To do the tremolo, you have to alternate between the notes really quickly. I can't quite explain it because the book isn't right in front of me. But, if I recall correctly, in the little diagram they provide they have one note of the left hand corresponding to one in the right and then the other left hand note corresponding to the other two in the right. So you play those groups together, only really quickly. I think. If that makes no sense, then please ignore me. My excuse: it's 2:15 in the morning.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/17/07 12:56 PM

sundew, funburger recorded light and blue on google video and it should be on this thread. she did a great tremolo and a great job. she's so talented

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6893189391630880037

i'm back on alfred's but not as heavy as I want. I asked my teacher if we could continue since I like to finish what I started and she said "yes", so I'm on space shuttle blues right now aside from the other 5 things she has me working on. \:D
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/18/07 03:09 PM

oooo I love space shuttle blues. i loved it so much I kept at it last night to polish it up and neglected my "meaty" pieces. I'm going to be in trouble. ooooooooooooooooooo
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/19/07 12:54 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
oooo I love space shuttle blues. i loved it so much I kept at it last night to polish it up and neglected my "meaty" pieces. I'm going to be in trouble. ooooooooooooooooooo [/b]
Good to hear, I'm almost there...and I also like the night song too
Posted by: Sundew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/19/07 06:16 AM

Pianoluvr - thanks for the explanation.
Oxfordsgal - thanks for the link. I had read the thread through but had forgotten about that.

Nice to learn something new, if only the how. For now I'm sticking to the basic chords but will give tremolo a separate practice. Oh to be able play that fast! Some day.....

I've just about memorised it, which is not something that comes easily, and it has made me think about how liking a piece makes such a difference to what I achieve with it. I do like the blues so am looking forward to Space Shuttle, sometime next year probably.

I'm now struggling to avoid playing staccato with both hands in Hungarian Rhapsody. A snail could move faster!
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/20/07 02:41 PM

I found "Night Song" on You Tube...Its done very well. So if anyone needs to hear it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0GxhPkY4Ho
Posted by: gmm1

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/20/07 02:48 PM

Wow Mark - I am playing this way too slow if that was how it should sound.

My ear likes it slower (perhaps because it's the only version till now), so I will need to listen to this a lot.

Thanks.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/20/07 04:11 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by gmm1:
Wow Mark - I am playing this way too slow if that was how it should sound.

My ear likes it slower (perhaps because it's the only version till now), so I will need to listen to this a lot.

Thanks. [/b]
I was playing it slower too. I also like it slow too. This comes from a studio and I believe this is a teacher playing. So I think we need to speed it up... \:D

My teacher will be going over it today, so I'll know for sure later...
Posted by: gmm1

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/20/07 04:16 PM

Yea, your probably right, but it sounds so good just a bit slower, and I bought into the "night song" mystique that says (to me) slow and kinda drifting over still night air.....

That's my theory and I'm sticking to it - but will speed it up I guess...

Can't wait to hear what your teacher says....
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/20/07 09:39 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by gmm1:
Yea, your probably right, but it sounds so good just a bit slower, and I bought into the "night song" mystique that says (to me) slow and kinda drifting over still night air.....

That's my theory and I'm sticking to it - but will speed it up I guess...

Can't wait to hear what your teacher says.... [/b]
Teacher played it just like the video...the Coda at the end was real slow though...
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/21/07 04:51 PM

wow my night song didn't sound like that. \:\( I went back to it last night and tried to play it like she did. I'll try again in a couple years.

I cancelled class last night. My arms, and elbow joints are hurting. I'm not sure why maybe I'm playing tense, I tend to do that when I'm learning a new piece or if I have a lot on my plate.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/22/07 09:33 AM

Here's my space shuttle blues, I messed up in there but oh well. he he. I'm trying to get used to relaxing when recording.

The rythym is probably all wrong, I'll find out next thursday. My teacher doesn't play the music for me ahead of time but we go through it to make sure I don't have any questions.

I'm going to work on speeding it up a bit if need be.

http://www.box.net/shared/trllc59798
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/22/07 11:34 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
Here's my space shuttle blues, I messed up in there but oh well. he he. I'm trying to get used to relaxing when recording.

The rythym is probably all wrong, I'll find out next thursday. My teacher doesn't play the music for me ahead of time but we go through it to make sure I don't have any questions.

I'm going to work on speeding it up a bit if need be.

http://www.box.net/shared/3z8kaz5914 [/b]
Sounds good to me, thats my next piece, so thanks for the demo... \:D
Posted by: gmm1

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/22/07 11:48 AM

Very nice Oxfords Gal. I don't know if this is good or bad, but I play it at the same tempo as your recording (although I must say you play it better).

For some reason, I did not care for this piece, and moved on to get away from it. Maybe I'll back up a little and give it a go again. It sounds better than I thought.
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/22/07 03:38 PM

Well, I also play Night Song at a rather slow pace- with my teacher's blessing. We tried it at several tempos and both of us liked it a bit on the slow side. Just depends on your taste and interpretation- there are endless ways to perform any piece, and any of them can be "right."
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/28/07 05:17 AM

Hey everyone! Been trying to figure out all day how to record my songs on my laptop and upload it online(thx a lot to Oxford Gal for the help!), and I think I've finally done it. These are the latest songs I'm up to; they aren't perfect, and I know I probably messed up on the speed of it, but here ya go anyways! \:D Hope they work!

Night Song

Space Shuttle Blues
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/28/07 10:50 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by z32:
Hey everyone! Been trying to figure out all day how to record my songs on my laptop and upload it online(thx a lot to Oxford Gal for the help!), and I think I've finally done it. These are the latest songs I'm up to; they aren't perfect, and I know I probably messed up on the speed of it, but here ya go anyways! \:D Hope they work!

Night Song

Space Shuttle Blues [/b]
Wow...you nailed those...excellent!! Can I use the links to the list of songs in the opening post as a resource for everyone?

Mark...
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/28/07 10:54 AM

awesome z32 I tried playing my space shuttle blues fast but my teacher told me to slow it down to a lazy blues tempo but I like it fast better!!!! but I follow her advise.

I just found out a few days ago that she was a concert pianist. My piano tuner came to the house the other day to tune my piano and asked me who my teacher was when I was raving about her and he said "she's a great pianist". I lover her so much she always hugs me when I get there and when i leave. \:D

She also corrected me on the rythym yesterday as well. \:\(

Yours is much better though. Keep up the good work. You're very talented. \:D

I loved your night song as well. wowie, makes me want to polish mine up.

mine corrected for rythym. I was playing the triplets long short and my teacher told me the triplets remain triplets but the other 8th notes were the ones you do long--short. It only took a few tries to redo the rythym.

this was on my ypg 625. I love that little digital.


http://www.box.net/shared/trllc59798
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/28/07 11:20 AM

hey any of you guys doing any supplementals besides alfred's method?

I'm doing solffegietto by cpe bach and I feel kind of lonely. we're not focused on alfred's as much as I would like to be.

I'm also polishing beethovens sonatina in g major first movement and we're moving into the second movement next week if I can play it the way she wants me to play it.

mark, errrrr since you be the leader /hides, how would starting a beginner only supplement page.

we can talk about what we're working on aside from alfreds and post our recordings. it would be nice to have the same peeps in this post on another thread.
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/28/07 01:25 PM

Well, I'm at Introduction and Dance now. We're going so slowly through Alfred since it seems like we're focusing on everything except Alfred. lol So I know how you feel Oxfords girl. I have two songs in Suzuki, a song from Anna Magdalena's, a simplified version of Debussy's Reverie, and Chopin's Waltz in B minor. I actually feel a bit bad that we are not treating Alfred as seriously, but on the other hand I enjoy doing other pieces.

As a random question, how long is it taking everyone to complete Book 2?
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/28/07 01:36 PM

well pianoluvr it's going to take me a long time now that we don't focus on it much. I'm in the all in one adult and we only take 1 piece at a time and if there's something not right with it i do it the following week as opposed to correcting it right there and then and getting it over.

I'm going to just work extra time and do another 2 during the week and trying them out so we can move faster. Although alfred's is a bit clunky I like the method since it builds up to book 3 and it's a step ladder that's needed for me at least.

I like doing other pieces as well for variety but the solfeggietto takes up a good chunk. kids love that piece and go through it, but i'm no spring chicken \:D
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/28/07 06:02 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
Wow...you nailed those...excellent!! Can I use the links to the list of songs in the opening post as a resource for everyone?

Mark... [/b]
No problem Mark, go ahead and use the links(and any links I might post in the future) however you want.

And thanks for the comments on my two pieces everyone! Now that I know how to upload, I'll try to post more songs more often!
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/28/07 09:12 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by z32:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
Wow...you nailed those...excellent!! Can I use the links to the list of songs in the opening post as a resource for everyone?

Mark... [/b]
No problem Mark, go ahead and use the links(and any links I might post in the future) however you want.

And thanks for the comments on my two pieces everyone! Now that I know how to upload, I'll try to post more songs more often! [/b]
Thanks!

And please tell me you have been playing for a long time...otherwise I'm going to be depressed. My pieces don't sound even close to yours... \:D
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/28/07 09:44 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
Thanks!

And please tell me you have been playing for a long time...otherwise I'm going to be depressed. My pieces don't sound even close to yours... \:D [/b]
Hehe, I haven't really been playing for a long time; I just picked up the piano last January and have been messing around with it up to this point. I did take a semester-long Piano class last spring, but I can't really say I got anything out of it. My teacher was foreign and had a VERY thick accent, so it was hard to understand her concepts. I pretty much just taught myself for that class, relying on my own understanding of basic piano concepts for the most part. The good thing is, the class worked out of Alfred's Book series, so it was very easy going at my own pace.

Hehe, and don't worry if your playing doesn't sound exactly like mine. Everyone has their own pace, and I actually have a habit of HAVING to be able to play a certain piece fairly well before I can proceed to the next piece. That's why it sounds decent lol. I just can't continue on if I know I'm having trouble playing the previous piece.

Hehe, let's all just keep at it!
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/29/07 11:37 AM

mark, don't be discouraged as z32 said everyone has their own pace.

The way I see it is some people climb the ladder fast and some take their time. We all arrive at the same destination and see the same sights and all accomplish the same goal.

People learn differently.

I remember one time hearing something really profound that stuck with me.

Student A gets all A's and receives his doctorates. Student B got all C's and got his doctorates.

Both people are excelent in their fields.

The difference between both students is Student B had to work harder but he retained the material simply because he had to work harder at it and is just as good as Student A.

Have fun in the journey. There are many student B's here and I'm one of them but I feel that someday I will be really good, it's just going to take me a tad longer so lets just have fun getting there.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/29/07 02:12 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
mark, don't be discouraged as z32 said everyone has their own pace.

[/b]
Thanks loly...I needed that...
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/30/07 03:25 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
mark, don't be discouraged as z32 said everyone has their own pace.

[/b]
Thanks loly...I needed that... [/b]
Me, too. I've been playing for 16 months and don't begin to sound as smooth and polished as anyone I've listened to on here. I know it will come eventually. I guess it's not a race....
Char
Posted by: Sundew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/30/07 08:40 AM

Lovely recordings Z32. Hearing these and those posted by Mark, Oxfords Gal and others is inspiring, and a distinct improvement on the official Alfred CD. Why the publishers thought fancy recordings were more helpful than a CD which actually shows one how the pieces should be played is a mystery to me.

Good advice Oxfords Gal. The only yardstick I try to use is myself, as in "Have I improved that piece/technique/fingering etc?" I know it's subjective and if I ever acquire a teacher I suspect I will leave the first lesson feeling a little downcast. I'm definitely a Student B.

Mark, your pieces sound good to me. Are you going to link the Supplemental thread to the Alfred ones?

Currently on La Bamba, the first piece in Book 2 I have disliked. So tempted to pass it by. Tuts at self.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/30/07 12:51 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Sundew:
Mark, your pieces sound good to me. Are you going to link the Supplemental thread to the Alfred ones?

[/b]
Thanks for the kind words.

I will link the supplement thread to our Alfred threads. Good idea...

Mark...
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/30/07 09:10 PM

*cowers in a coner trying to make self as small as possible* \:\)
tell me this not the Tumbalalaika on page 6. I started that this sat'day and am nothing near this speed.
If not - does anyone have a link to it and also Light and blue.

Tenk yu
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/30/07 09:11 PM

*cowers in a coner trying to make self as small as possible* \:\)
tell me this not the Tumbalalaika on page 6.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m86QwDtamI

I started that this sat'day and am nothing near this speed.
If not - does anyone have a link to it and also Light and blue.

Tenk yu
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/30/07 09:35 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IamElise:
*cowers in a coner trying to make self as small as possible* \:\)
tell me this not the Tumbalalaika on page 6.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m86QwDtamI

I started that this sat'day and am nothing near this speed.
If not - does anyone have a link to it and also Light and blue.

Tenk yu [/b]
Tumbalalaika seemed just a little fast to me. But close to speed. The ending was different than the Alfred one, maybe just an add lib ending.

mark...
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/30/07 10:01 PM

Oooo Tumbalalaika! This is probably my favorite little piece in Book 2 so far. IamElise, don't worry if your speed isn't the same as the one posted there. I actually had problems too when I first got to this song. What I did was I just took it REAAAALLLL slow at first, making sure I got all the notes and dynamic changing correct. Once you get more comfortable with the song, then you can start increasing the tempo bit by bit, until you feel it's right!

Here's my version of the song, hope it helps you out!

Tumbalalaika
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/30/07 10:13 PM

Thanks both for your comments.

z32 that was stupendous \:\)
thanks.
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/01/07 06:04 AM

Tumbalalaika's fun! I think the CD went a tad to quickly but hey, whatever floats your boat. :)Just play it slowly a LOT and then work your way up. It's actually my favorite in the Book so far (except for this Jazz song, the name of which I keep on forgetting).
Posted by: Sundew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/01/07 11:35 AM

Another lovely piece z32.

Elise, don't get discouraged. I don't have that piece in my book but I had similar problems with Guantanamera and now with La Bamba. I'm working through it a couple of measures at a time and slowly building it together. I know it will take me a while, but the end result will be worth it, even though I doubt I will be up to speed. The other pieces have all had their little challenges but I was surprised how easily they came together. I think age is a bit against me,I am certainly not as mentally nimble as I used to be.

Anyone else going to post to the supplemental thread? \:D
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/01/07 11:50 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by z32:

Here's my version of the song, hope it helps you out!

Tumbalalaika [/b]
Outstanding...I added it to the opening page...thanks!
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/01/07 05:24 PM

I added the opening piece in book 2 to the first post as a reference. A real short and sweet one that I can beat the red dot with... \:D

Down in the Valley
http://www.box.net/shared/cfmm6xdgsf

Mark...
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/01/07 05:55 PM

Another from this book...

Roman Holiday
http://www.box.net/shared/z9vg7c8xfg
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/01/07 08:44 PM

Been on a recording binge today...here's Scherzo from book 2:

http://www.box.net/shared/chir86helj
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/01/07 10:29 PM

Nice recordings Mark! These should really help out the people just starting Book 2! Hehe, wish I had these to help me out when I was starting out!
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/02/07 04:29 AM

Decided to finish up Aloha Oe today. Here's the recording. Hope you enjoy!

Aloha Oe
Posted by: new_2_piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/02/07 03:02 PM

I have a question regarding "The Harp Song" in Alfred's Book 1. What should be the appropriate technique when playing the 3rd and 4th measures one scale higher OR the first and second measures one scale lower?

I was trying it and I found my arms cross (like an X) at some point as I move a scale up or vice versa, but I think we can just slide the hands over the keyboard. Would this be more appropriate perhaps?

I will greatly appreciate your input as the book does not mention how to do it.
Posted by: Perplexed

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/02/07 04:36 PM

Now that I'm working out of 2 different books, my progress in Book 2 isn't as fast as earlier. But considering the raised difficulty of the newer songs, slow is good.

"Introduction and Dance" was giving me many problems, much in the same way "O Sole Mio" did at first (The line with all the double key presses on the Treble Clef most of all).

And just like "O Sole Mio",, I'm starting to really enjoy that song (I didn't care for it at first), and it's getting a little more doable (I don't want to say "easier" just yet).
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/02/07 09:19 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by z32:
Decided to finish up Aloha Oe today. Here's the recording. Hope you enjoy!

Aloha Oe [/b]
Nicely done, Added to first post. Its my next piece in book 2. Not one of my favorites...
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/03/07 05:10 AM

Hehe, it isn't my favorite either, although my mom loves this piece! She used to do this Hawaiian dance routine with some friends in the past so this piece brings back memories for her.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/03/07 04:23 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Perplexed:
And just like "O Sole Mio",, I'm starting to really enjoy that song (I didn't care for it at first), and it's getting a little more doable (I don't want to say "easier" just yet). [/b]
"O Sole Mio" was a wall song for me. Its right when I started with my teacher and she helped me get through it, After awhile I really enjoyed playing it too...
Posted by: Sundew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/03/07 07:10 PM

I struggled a bit with O Sole Mio, mainly because I kept hearing "Just one cornetto" in my head. Adverts! Kinda put me off. La Bamba is my current wall. Maybe I will get to like it but the hand movements aren't coming and my RH hurts after a while, so my practice of this piece is kept to short bursts. \:\( Any advice?

Nice recordings Mark. You are getting that red dot tamed.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/03/07 07:44 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Sundew:
Nice recordings Mark. You are getting that red dot tamed. [/b]
Thanks, I can only beat the red dot in short pieces right now... \:D

As for the hand pain, I could you some help too...
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/04/07 06:08 AM

Just finished Pomp & Circumstance right now. I just love playing this piece! You might notice that I played some notes a bit differently, because for some reason, I didn't like the hesitation parts that the original had. I'm mainly referring to the measures which go 1/8 note, 1/4 note, pause, 1/8 note. I changed it to have more of a flowing manner. Anyways, hopefully it doesn't mess anyone up when you start playing this piece. Hope you enjoy!

Pomp and Circumstance
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/04/07 06:59 AM

very nice Ben, you don't cease to amaze us. So relaxed so musical. You are extremely talented and gifted IMO.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/04/07 09:37 AM

Great job Ben, as usual. You really are a natural at the piano.
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/04/07 06:55 PM

Haha, you guys are too kind! I just took a real liking to that piece, so I was determined to learn it quick.
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/07/07 10:25 PM

And here's the next song! I love the rhythm of this piece!

Swinging Sevenths
Posted by: PianoN00b

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/07/07 10:31 PM

I think I will start book 2 in a few days. I am bored of book 1 now. \:\( When I have a camera I will upload a few videos.
Posted by: PianoN00b

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/07/07 10:45 PM

http://www.box.net/index.php?rm=box_v2_download_file&file_id=f_98721168
here's amazing grace... I made mistakes. hehe.. bad recorder, I used my MP3 player to record it. And in the background is my Dad using a sewing machine.

By the way, how do i use Box.net so that it displays the Play page like the rest of yours?

And when you compliment others, you say "you did well," not "you did GOOD" right?
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/08/07 12:36 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by PianoN00b:
http://www.box.net/index.php?rm=box_v2_download_file&file_id=f_98721168
here's amazing grace... I made mistakes. hehe.. bad recorder, I used my MP3 player to record it. And in the background is my Dad using a sewing machine.

By the way, how do i use Box.net so that it displays the Play page like the rest of yours?

And when you compliment others, you say "you did well," not "you did GOOD" right? [/b]
Doesn't work, plus Amazing Grace should go in the first book...

Mark...
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/08/07 06:10 PM

hiya Yang, I just click on the little arrow by the file and get the link from there. Or I click on the song and the web browser gives the address you should be linking.

Hope that helps
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/08/07 11:05 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by z32:
And here's the next song! I love the rhythm of this piece!

Swinging Sevenths [/b]
I really like this piece, as well. I'm on Arkansas Traveler, but I'll usually go back and play this one almost every day. It has such a smooth sound to it.

Char
Posted by: dfpolitowski

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/09/07 01:04 AM

not bad.

Swinging sevents
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/11/07 08:48 PM

Hey everyone! Well, since my last post we've started La Cucaracha and House of the Rising Sun. Neither seem too bad. But is it me or are there a lot of Mexican tunes in this book? Just a thought.

mamawatchman, that piece sounds quite fun to play. You seem like you're enjoying it! \:\)
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/12/07 07:37 AM

I think that's Z32's recording of swinging sevenths luvr. ;\)

Alfreds is dying a slow death in my life. I'm trying hard to keep him alive though.

Yesterday I went to class after skipping last week due to our Laddie's passing and it's exactly what I needed. I am super charged again. I can't say enough about my teacher she is brilliant and I love her so much. In addition to being a brilliant teacher who teaches with her will as well as her brain she's like a mother.

Anyway we polished one little bad section in space shuttle after we did all my stuff. I asked my teacher if she didn't mind my continuing with alfreds since it helped me tremendously and I like to finish what I start. She said of course, if time permits. ha ha ha ha

So right now all my other stuff comes first and alfreds is considered the suppliment. lol

I'm posting what I'm working on in the supplement page. Right now I've been given the go ahead to play the next one in alfreds if I have time. Olympic Procession I think it's called. :p
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/12/07 09:09 AM

 Quote:
I think that's Z32's recording of swinging sevenths luvr.
Oops! \:\( My bad. Sorry for the error. It sounds very nice z32!
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/12/07 05:44 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by pianoluvr:
 Quote:
I think that's Z32's recording of swinging sevenths luvr.
Oops! \:\( My bad. Sorry for the error. It sounds very nice z32! [/b]
Yep, that wasn't me playing...I haven't been brave enough to actually record myself yet. I only wish I could play as well as Z32!

Char
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/14/07 03:37 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
I think that's Z32's recording of swinging sevenths luvr. ;\)

Alfreds is dying a slow death in my life. I'm trying hard to keep him alive though.

[/b]
Actually I'm liking lots of the pieces in Alfred two where we are at like Pomp and Circumstance and Swinging Sevenths.
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/16/07 09:51 AM

Dare I be brave enough to show how miserable my Tumbalalika was \:\)

Tumbalalika
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/16/07 10:51 AM

 Quote:
Actually I'm liking lots of the pieces in Alfred two where we are at like Pomp and Circumstance and Swinging Sevenths.
So, do they get better? Because I'm finishing "House of the Rising Sun" right now and the songs so far have been nice and fun but nothing to die for.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/16/07 02:34 PM

I liked Nagila Hava and Scherzo. I'm now on Olympic Procession and I like that one as well.

I like Roman Holiday, Village Dance and Tumbalakaika although Roman Holiday and Tumbalakaika were not in my book but Mark scanned them for me so I was able to enjoy them.

I also liked space shuttle blues. You might like that too and it's easy to memorize so you can play it if you're around a piano and sound impressive. kind of

General consensus is that alfred pieces are clunky.


Iamelise, that wasn't bad at all. The only thing I can't remember if it had any phrasing or if it was all forte.
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/16/07 09:02 PM

 Quote:
I liked Nagila Hava and Scherzo. I'm now on Olympic Procession and I like that one as well.

I like Roman Holiday, Village Dance and Tumbalakaika although Roman Holiday and Tumbalakaika were not in my book but Mark scanned them for me so I was able to enjoy them.

I also liked space shuttle blues. You might like that too and it's easy to memorize so you can play it if you're around a piano and sound impressive. kind of

General consensus is that alfred pieces are clunky.
So far, I've truly enjoyed Scherzo (lyrics were hilarious) and one of the early jazz/blues ones. Overall, yes, they seem "clunky", but I do find them quite useful as learning tools. I'm not sure where I'd be if I hadn't had Alfred 1 with me during this first year! \:\) Plus, one thing which I find useful is the way in which they introduce a key and then follow it with several songs using that key and chords from that key. Perhaps it's simply me, but I always find that helpful in getting me accustomed/comfortable with playing in new keys.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/16/07 11:19 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by pianoluvr:
So far, I've truly enjoyed Scherzo (lyrics were hilarious) and one of the early jazz/blues ones. Overall, yes, they seem "clunky", but I do find them quite useful as learning tools. I'm not sure where I'd be if I hadn't had Alfred 1 with me during this first year! \:\) Plus, one thing which I find useful is the way in which they introduce a key and then follow it with several songs using that key and chords from that key. Perhaps it's simply me, but I always find that helpful in getting me accustomed/comfortable with playing in new keys. [/b]
You are going to love Swinging Sevenths...just an outstanding piece. Well at least for me... \:\)
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/16/07 11:30 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IamElise:
Dare I be brave enough to show how miserable my Tumbalalika was \:\)

Tumbalalika [/b]
Great Job...you really nailed those extend measures that are real tricky...
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/17/07 06:57 AM

You guys don't have Olympic Procession?

It's a great piece for practicing inverted triads and it has many triplets, I kind of bite at triplets I keep adding my weird rythym to them but with my teacher catching that in space shuttle blues and betty's advice I'm more aware of how I'm supposed to play them.

i had to hit it hard yesterday and today since my class is tomorrow and I slacked the last 4 days. I just couldn't get into it I think I burned out a bit last week i was heavily into it to keep my mind occupied and it caught up with me.
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/17/07 11:21 AM

Nope, just checked and Olympic Procession must only be in the All-in-One. Pity. You make it sound like a pretty good one. Ah well...
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/17/07 11:57 AM

I can scan it tonight or tomorrow after my class. It's a simple but nice little piece.

I wonder where Z32 is? I haven't seen any posts from him lately. I wonder if he's working on some masterpiece to dazzle us all. Hope he's ok
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/17/07 03:17 PM

^^ Hehe, I'm fine, just been pretty busy lately. I did manage to finish up my November recitals submission, so that was really the only thing I could work on at the moment. I should be able to work on some Alfred's stuff again by this week's end.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/17/07 04:05 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by z32:
^^ Hehe, I'm fine, just been pretty busy lately. I did manage to finish up my November recitals submission, so that was really the only thing I could work on at the moment. I should be able to work on some Alfred's stuff again by this week's end. [/b]
I can only imagine how well your recital will sound...
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/18/07 07:06 AM

Z32 rocks!! I want his autograph \:D

Theowne is extremely impressive as well after only playing for 2 years. wowie
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/18/07 02:31 PM

Thanks. Thats really motivating to hear.
I have to admit it is forte all the way pretty much. I think my piano needs tuning and I also do need to work on my dynamics.
(last tuned when I got it dec 2006).
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/18/07 02:39 PM

Great job Iamelise,before you know it you'll be doing canon just as good. \:D
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/19/07 01:08 PM

Thanks for the encouragement.
With lots of practice and prayer I know I can. \:\)
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/19/07 07:45 PM

Decided to record good ole' America, The Beautiful today! \:\)

America, The Beautiful
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/20/07 06:19 AM

Very Beautiful Z, It makes you stand up and salute our Great Nation. Loved your arpeggiated chords at the end. Bravo

That one isn't even in my book and although my book has 30 more pieces than the book you guys use you would think they'd include it. grrrrrr
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/20/07 07:47 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by z32:
Decided to record good ole' America, The Beautiful today! \:\)

America, The Beautiful [/b]
Outstanding as always...you should major in music/piano
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/20/07 03:41 PM

Thanks for the comments as always! I think I may buy a printer/fax/scanner one of these days, so maybe then I can help ya out with the songs which aren't in the All-in-One course book.
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/20/07 06:27 PM

Wow, that's great! I will definitely have something to motivate me when I get to that piece. \:\)
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/22/07 05:56 PM

I'm not sure who was asking about Helen Curtis method. luvr? yang? anyway here's a couple examples of the pieces in book 2 and 3. I don't even want to look at book 4 yet. teee heee


book 2 page 1 and page 2

http://www.box.net/shared/qt6ayhd7l3

http://www.box.net/shared/bqr6bp3ps6

Book 3

http://www.box.net/shared/9khcivp0hg

http://www.box.net/shared/tbnkexnfvi


Olympic procession from Alfred's

http://www.box.net/shared/jfs4zs3mah

http://www.box.net/shared/sghpefaolo

I like this alfred's piece. it's a good practice for triplets and inverted triads
Posted by: PianoN00b

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/22/07 07:47 PM

I dont recall asking for any methods.. but anyways.. I fell in love with Light and Blue from book 2, and so I practiced it for almost 3 days.
http://www.box.net/shared/0jzq8kp5yl
that is the recording I made; mistakes are everywhere. \:\(
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/22/07 10:58 PM

Yes, I was the one who asked about the Helen Curtis method. And from those scans, it looks like an excellent book. For the first two pages of the SECOND book to be that complex (I think they seem prety complex anyway \:\) )...well, it doesn't even compare to Alfred. Are you certain that this method can't be purchased online?
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/23/07 04:41 AM

I'm pretty sure luvr, I researched for weeks. but you can call that number I gave on another post and the guy will send them to you.

This method was used in the 30's and 40's which is why they're hard to find.

here's the info for calling the guy. I dug it out of the other post.

this is the web site but it doesn't show up if you do a search which is why I had to email them.

http://www.pianotrendsmusic.com/retailer/store_templates/shell_id_1.asp

 Quote:
Yes we do stock all levels of the helen curtis
fundamental piano series. I am currently on the road
at the music trade show but I beleive the price is
$7.95. If you call the store at 888 327 4266 toll free
we will be glad to hold or ship the item for you. Ask
for eric.
Don't forget to try olympic procession yang. it's a nice sounding piece. I played it all polished last night and my husband commented on how much he liked it.

i'm in the process of getting ready for work so wasn't able to listen to light and blue. i will at work, i'm sure it's great though.
Posted by: PianoN00b

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/23/07 08:47 PM

Ah I glanced at the Olympic Processions piece, but I haven't gotten that far yet. It doesn't look really hard. Nice bass sounding though.
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/23/07 10:47 PM

 Quote:
I'm pretty sure luvr, I researched for weeks. but you can call that number I gave on another post and the guy will send them to you.

This method was used in the 30's and 40's which is why they're hard to find.

here's the info for calling the guy. I dug it out of the other post.

this is the web site but it doesn't show up if you do a search which is why I had to email them.

http://www.pianotrendsmusic.com/retailer/store_templates/shell_id_1.asp
Thank you so much, especially for all your hard work in find this! I'll definitely discuss it with my teacher.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/24/07 07:12 AM

Yang, OP is not hard at all. There is one measure top of second page last 2 measures that I had to work on a little harder.

OOO bass sounds really really nice. \:D

You know what I liked most about that piece which I noticed yesterday? The jump to the bass. I didn't realize it until yesterday how comfortable I felt jumping way down there. I love alfred's.
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/27/07 12:57 AM

Finished up "The Polovetsian Dances" today. Catchy little tune!

The Polovetsian Dances
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/27/07 04:36 PM

Well, I just wanted to post because I'm really excited about a great lesson. I finished Intro. and Dance, La Cucaracha, and House of the Rising Sun today and began Sakura and Waves of the Danube (the latter which I LOVE). And on a non-Alfred note, I finished my EXTENSIVE polishing of Bach Musette, started a Bach chorale, began page two of the Chopin waltz I'm learning, and started Part II of Hanon. \:\) So I'm REALLY happy.

Sorry, I just had to get that out there. ;\) You guys are the only people with which I can share my piano-related excitment.
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/27/07 05:10 PM

Sounds like your really progressing at a good rate pianoluvr! I think I need to start getting some other learning books to suppliment my Alfred's because at this point, Alfred's is the only teaching book I have. I work on a couple other pieces here and there that I myself pick out, but I don't think that classifies as furthering my learning process.

Anyways, speaking about Musette, that song is coming up soon in the Alfred's book for me. Seems like you're having fun with it pianoluvr, so I can't wait to try it out!
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/27/07 10:26 PM

z32, I've always enjoyed having something other than Alfred to work on, particularly since the Alfred songs are nice but not splendid. I'm likely not the most qualified to make suggestions, but I'll go ahead and attempt anyway. \:\) If you're into classical, I'd suggest Alfred's "An Introduction to His Keyboard Works" series. It includes the easiest classical pieces written by the great composers, yet not one is abridged. So you are playing "real" music.
Plus, I like the Notebook for Anna Magdalena Bach. That's where I got Musette from (which, on a random note, is quite fun to play), as well as a couple of Minuets and the Chorale I began today. Most people suggest that it's a good first step toward learning Bach.

One other thing that I believe looks promising, but with which I have no experience, is Alfred's Sonatina Album. Can anyone comment on this book or the likewise named Schrimer version?
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/29/07 08:28 AM

I started on Aloha and I love the arpeggiated chords.

It gives me some practice for the arpeggiated section of beethovens sonatina in g second movement. That one is a humdinger, it's a tetrachord and one of them is a sharp. I'm having a hard time with that one but the ones in Aloha are so easy, I like those better. teee heee
Posted by: PianoN00b

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/29/07 11:37 PM

Every song posted on this thread is all gathered into the first post right? I don't want to look through every page to find specific songs...
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/30/07 12:02 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by PianoN00b:
Every song posted on this thread is all gathered into the first post right? I don't want to look through every page to find specific songs... [/b]
The one's that are related to Alfred book two...
Posted by: glitzer

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/11/07 12:02 AM

So there's even a long thread on this. I'm also struggling with Alfred 2 (self-taught), currently with "He's got the whole world." I've come to thoroughly dislike the Alfred method, for several reasons: too many dull and inane pieces, left hand is basically unused, and the whole organization about theoretical aspects of chords seems quite weird (after all, I want to play pieces, not analyze them).

So I'm mainly working with other pieces, and if I can convince myself that I could play an Alfred piece acceptably if only I practiced enough, I usually move on to the next piece.
Posted by: PianoN00b

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/11/07 12:48 PM

Glitzer Iagree with you, it seems that book 2 is a bit boring...so i am practicing another piece called To Zanarkand... for now. Maybe after this piece i will start on book 2 again. I am done with the songs up to the The Polovetsian Dances.
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/11/07 11:37 PM

Well, just posting an update. I have just started Rock-a-My Soul (I think I may have spelled that incorrectly) and You're in My Heart. Any opinions/suggests on playing them?
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/12/07 07:16 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by pianoluvr:
Well, just posting an update. I have just started Rock-a-My Soul (I think I may have spelled that incorrectly) and You're in My Heart. Any opinions/suggests on playing them? [/b]
Rock my Soul still gives me trouble, but Youre in my heart worked out great. Make sure you use the 2 on the f# in the heart song because everything seems to line up off of that...
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/14/07 12:06 AM

Decided to do an Alfred's piece after 3 weeks of not touching the book lol. It's been real hard for me to find time to practice at all, but I still definitely want to finish this book. Anyways, hope you all enjoy it!

Arkansas Traveler
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/14/07 07:43 AM

Awesome Z32, make time, you are so talented. Alfred pieces don't require much time to master them, please don't stray, stick with it.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/14/07 09:30 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
Alfred pieces don't require much time to master them,. [/b]
Speak for yourself... \:D
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/14/07 11:00 AM

Bah, Mark, I bet if you weren't doing 4 other pieces at the same time and doing only alfred's and maybe 1 supplement you would master them in minutes.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/14/07 11:43 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
Bah, Mark, I bet if you weren't doing 4 other pieces at the same time and doing only alfred's and maybe 1 supplement you would master them in minutes. [/b]
Actually I'm thinking of doing just that. Just do Alfred and nothing else till I'm done. The end of book 3 has some major pieces, that would be a dream to play well...

Plus I get my grand piano when I finish book 3... \:D
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/14/07 01:34 PM

errr, make sure that grand gets to the right address, I will PM it to you \:D
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/14/07 05:09 PM

Hehe, that's definitely a nice lil' incentive to finish the Alfred's series Mark!
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/14/07 06:54 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by z32:
Hehe, that's definitely a nice lil' incentive to finish the Alfred's series Mark! [/b]
I figured if I can finish book three I would be grand worthy. Have you seen the last songs in book 3? It could be years till I finish them... \:D
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/15/07 10:26 AM

I haven't looked at book 3, it kind of makes me sad. We don't touch on alfred's much just 1 piece every 2 weeks. \:\(
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/15/07 12:49 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
I haven't looked at book 3, it kind of makes me sad. We don't touch on alfred's much just 1 piece every 2 weeks. \:\( [/b]
Thats still not bad, I only do a piece a week. It will just take a little longer. Book two is starting to get deep and has some decent pieces I think you will like...
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/15/07 10:33 PM

Finished up Musette today! You know what, the songs are actually starting to pick up in the book! This is one of the funnest pieces I've played up to date! Hope yall like!

Musette
Posted by: YD

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/15/07 11:39 PM

Apparently it's loved by adults as well as kids. I got extremely tired of it a few months ago as my 6-year old kept playing it over and over for hours at a time \:D Great piece, BTW.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/16/07 05:04 AM

Oh that is a lovely piece, now I can't wait. I'm in the all in one adult so it's a ways off but on the upside, I got my first Chopin piece assigned, Prelude 16 \:D


grrrr that piece is not in my book. There's a musette but it's a very slow waltz. Which one is that one Z? I have so many books I might be able to find it in one of them.

That's annoying if they're going to put 30 more pieces in this book than the basic one the least they can do is not take the good ones out.
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/16/07 01:24 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
Oh that is a lovely piece, now I can't wait. I'm in the all in one adult so it's a ways off but on the upside, I got my first Chopin piece assigned, Prelude 16 \:D


grrrr that piece is not in my book. There's a musette but it's a very slow waltz. Which one is that one Z? I have so many books I might be able to find it in one of them.

That's annoying if they're going to put 30 more pieces in this book than the basic one the least they can do is not take the good ones out. [/b]
That's a bummer with that All-in-one book. In my book, it simply lists the song as "Musette", although it does have a description in the beginning saying that it was from Anna Magdalena Bach's notebook(Bach's wife).
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/16/07 03:34 PM

The Musette Waltz that is next is outstanding as well...
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/16/07 04:14 PM

I'm running to the store and picking it up. I'll get book 3 as well, since my teacher is huge on theory maybe she'll let me switch to the basic one but if not at least I'll have both.

ooo thanks Z, I'm sure I have it one of my 40 zillion books.
Posted by: YD

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/16/07 05:02 PM

Hey, no need to run to the store just for Musette. I's been in public domain for the last 100 years. Here it is in Mutopia project:
http://www.mutopiaproject.org/ftp/BachJS/BWVAnh126/anna-magdalena-22/anna-magdalena-22-a4.pdf
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/16/07 06:10 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by YD:
Hey, no need to run to the store just for Musette. I's been in public domain for the last 100 years. Here it is in Mutopia project:
http://www.mutopiaproject.org/ftp/BachJS/BWVAnh126/anna-magdalena-22/anna-magdalena-22-a4.pdf [/b]
Its funny how Alfred spread the exact same piece over two pages. It makes it look much easier...
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/17/07 12:22 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
The Musette Waltz that is next is outstanding as well... [/b]
I'm fine tuning that one this week. Very pretty. I also started The Battle Hymn of The Republic. It switches from 4/4 to 6/8 part way through. Feels a little tricky so far. I think I'm definately gonna need the metronome on this one (ugh)

Char
Posted by: signal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/17/07 12:53 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by z32:
Finished up Musette today! You know what, the songs are actually starting to pick up in the book! This is one of the funnest pieces I've played up to date! Hope yall like!

Musette [/b]
z32,

The recording on box.net, is that you playing Musette or a recording of Musette you have? Its played very well, but I detect some post-production work on it (maybe compression and some reverb) and was just curious.

Signal
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/17/07 02:04 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by signal:
 Quote:
Originally posted by z32:
Finished up Musette today! You know what, the songs are actually starting to pick up in the book! This is one of the funnest pieces I've played up to date! Hope yall like!

Musette [/b]
z32,

The recording on box.net, is that you playing Musette or a recording of Musette you have? Its played very well, but I detect some post-production work on it (maybe compression and some reverb) and was just curious.

Signal [/b]
Hehe, glad you liked it! Yep, that's good ole' me! \:D Only thing I really did to this was to normalize the track volume(I use Audacity btw). As far as reverb goes, I use a "Hall" reverb setting through my Yamaha DP to produce this specific sound. All my songs pretty much have this same sound signature since I use these same settings for my recordings.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/17/07 07:19 AM

Hi Yuri,

Thanks so much!!!!
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/17/07 02:26 PM

Would one of you pro's record Waves of Danube for me \:\)

I am just not getting it.

Tenk yu
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/17/07 04:04 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IamElise:
Would one of you pro's record Waves of Danube for me \:\)

I am just not getting it.

Tenk yu [/b]
Well, I'm far from a pro's level, but hopefully this helps! Note that I did use the sustain pedal on the second half of the song, even though the book doesn't specify to do so. I simply enjoyed it better with the sustain on. Hope that doesn't confuse you lol.

Waves of the Danube
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/17/07 04:29 PM

Z32, thanks so much! That was fantastic!!
that speed \:D

A funny thing, I was just at it and for some reason was using that pedal too \:\)

tenks A-lot!
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/17/07 05:21 PM

^^ NP! Just glad I could help!
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/20/07 06:53 AM

I started Black Forest Polka, it's really fun to play and starts sounding nice right after the inverted triads.
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/22/07 08:36 PM

Musetta's Waltz here! Lovely lil' song.

Musetta\'s Waltz
Posted by: iluvuchopin

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/26/07 06:37 AM

hi all,

i started learning piano 2 wks ago and juz finished my 2nd lesson. My teacher skipped bk 1 for me and went directly into bk 2. But personally, i only like a few of the pieces in the bk. My teacher is also putting me on the Piano Pieces for Children (the green bk) which i really like.

By the way, anyone knows what lvl is Chopin's Noctrune in C# Minor Op 20? How long do I need to be able to play tat piece? it's really tat piece tat got me started to want to learn the piano \:\)
Posted by: johnnymb

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/27/07 01:16 PM

Hello, I have been reading this thread for quite some time. I began "playing" about six months ago at 42 years of age. Always wanted to do it but lacked the courage. My six year old son also started a little before me, we have the same teacher. I played guitar as a youngster but gave it up many years ago. My teacher started me on the Alfred's Chord Approach for adults and I began book two several weeks ago. The first song in book two "On with the show" I thought was difficult and should have been a little further in the book. Anyone else using the chord approach books? The most amazing thing about learning to play the piano to me is sitting at my piano looking at the book, and being 100% absolutely bewildered, but after a few hours of practice time, you get it!! And you can play it! I never thought I would enjoy it this much but it can be frustrating. Wonderful instrument, highest note is higher than a piccolo, and the lowest note lower than a double bassoon. Thanks to you all for any and all encouragement.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/27/07 02:04 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by keycrazy:
Hello, I have been reading this thread for quite some time. I began "playing" about six months ago at 42 years of age. Always wanted to do it but lacked the courage. My six year old son also started a little before me, we have the same teacher. I played guitar as a youngster but gave it up many years ago. My teacher started me on the Alfred's Chord Approach for adults and I began book two several weeks ago. The first song in book two "On with the show" I thought was difficult and should have been a little further in the book. Anyone else using the chord approach books? The most amazing thing about learning to play the piano to me is sitting at my piano looking at the book, and being 100% absolutely bewildered, but after a few hours of practice time, you get it!! And you can play it! I never thought I would enjoy it this much but it can be frustrating. Wonderful instrument, highest note is higher than a piccolo, and the lowest note lower than a double bassoon. Thanks to you all for any and all encouragement. [/b]
Welcome to Piano World keycrazy. Sounds like your having a lot of fun with your piano. Hope the Alfred threads can be of help. Don't forget to post your pieces both here, in the monthly piano bars as well as in the quarterly recitals.

And again Welcome
Mark...
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/27/07 04:57 PM

Hi keycrazy! Learning and playing the piano can definitely be a wondrous and rewarding experience. Keep us updated with your progress, and if you ever need help you know where to ask!
Posted by: johnnymb

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/27/07 07:05 PM

Thank you. My teacher does permit me to move on even if I can't play a song perfectly, however she is a stickler for almost perfect timing. I often times play pairs of eighth notes either too fast or too slow, and tend to hold the last note of the measure too long. Ok so I'll never be playing like Artur Papazian. I wish I were like many of you that have strong Classical influences. I do not. I am much more into the new age, neo-classical type piano music like Jim Brickman, Danny Wright, David Lanz, Kevin Kern, etc... I realize that learning classical music is a rite of passage with piano because it is the best music for teaching. I highly respect it, I just was never exposed much to it. I'm sure my time is coming soon.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/28/07 01:02 PM

Hi and welcome KC.

 Quote:
I often times play pairs of eighth notes either too fast or too slow, and tend to hold the last note of the measure too long
I suffered through this same phenomenon \:D

but you know what? make sure your teacher calls you on it every time and you will get rid of that behaviour.

Start training yourself to stop the pause thingy by looking ahead to the next measure prior to getting to it and knowing where you have to land.

I thought I would always have that issue but once my teacher started calling me on it saying "Where's the pause?" I became so aware of it and worked through it and so will you.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/01/07 08:13 PM

Anyone have "The Riddle"...aka the Twelfth of Never

I'm having trouble getting the feel of this one. It's my next piece, and I always try to have it rough before my lesson...

Thanks...
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/01/07 10:27 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
Anyone have "The Riddle"...aka the Twelfth of Never

I'm having trouble getting the feel of this one. It's my next piece, and I always try to have it rough before my lesson...

Thanks... [/b]
I'm just starting that one this week, so would appreciate hearing it as well.

Char
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/01/07 10:57 PM

Wow, you guys are so far in! I'm on that Brahms' Lullaby (I think that's what it's called; I don't have the book in front of me). Any comments on the book as it progresses?
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/01/07 11:21 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by pianoluvr:
Wow, you guys are so far in! I'm on that Brahms' Lullaby (I think that's what it's called; I don't have the book in front of me). Any comments on the book as it progresses? [/b]
There are nice pieces directly ahead. A few that I'm not crazy about.

Lonesome road...nice

Village Dance...enjoyable

Hokey Pokey...took me a while to get it...average

Night Song...excellent

Space Shuttle Blues...like in more each day...

Aloha...yuck...

Pomp and Cicumstance...nice piece...difficult
for me...need extra time to nail it

Swinging Sevenths...Excellent

America the Beautiful...the ending is giving me a problem...not a favorite

The Polovetsian Dance...very nice...still cleaning it up

Arkansas Traveler...grows on you...nice

Musette...love it, but a challege

Musetta Waltz...excellent

The battle hymn...middle of page two a major problem for me...dont care for this one...

The Riddle...see above...

Your milage will vary... \:D
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/01/07 11:44 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:


The battle hymn...middle of page two a major problem for me...dont care for this one...

I've got to agree. I think it's the 6/8 timing that's throwing me on this one.

Char
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/02/07 02:45 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mamawatchman:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:


The battle hymn...middle of page two a major problem for me...dont care for this one...

I've got to agree. I think it's the 6/8 timing that's throwing me on this one.

Char [/b]
Thats it for sure...anyone have an suggestions to fix this?
Posted by: z32

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/02/07 02:52 PM

I'll try starting on both the Battle Hymn piece and the Riddle next week, and see if I can post some recordings.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/02/07 03:09 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by z32:
I'll try starting on both the Battle Hymn piece and the Riddle next week, and see if I can post some recordings. [/b]
We can't wait Ben...get to work...lol
Posted by: jotur

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/02/07 03:19 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
 Quote:
Originally posted by mamawatchman:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:


The battle hymn...middle of page two a major problem for me...dont care for this one...

I've got to agree. I think it's the 6/8 timing that's throwing me on this one.

Char [/b]
Thats it for sure...anyone have an suggestions to fix this? [/b]
Think of it as lazy dotted quarters in 4/4? The quarter/eighth note of one beat in 6/8 is sort of the dotted quarter/eighth note in 4/4, but it "swings" a little more - it's a little more "laid back". Hornpipes are often notated both ways when traditional/folk music is being written down - so in a harp book I have Red Haired Boy (Ian and Sylvia) is notated in 6/8, but most fiddle books notate it in 4/4 with dotted quarter/eighth notes so it's "snappier."

Just a thought, and maybe no help at all \:\(

Cathy
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/03/07 11:39 AM

I loved Aloha, I loved the arpeggiated chords. What was it you didn't like about it Mark?

I found that lots of nice music have arpeggiated chords and grace notes so it's best to get as much practice as possible so when those pieces come about, it won't be a struggle.

I'll have to scan Black Forest Polka, I think it's awesome, especially the finger work at the bottom of the first page. I had so much fun doing that because I had never done it before.

I'm going home for lunch and going to try and record the first part at least. Red dot gets me all the time but I made a concious decision to start recording everything so I can just forget it after a while.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/03/07 01:14 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
I loved Aloha, I loved the arpeggiated chords. What was it you didn't like about it Mark?

[/b]
My problem is the arpeggiated chords...also the same with the ending of America the Beautiful
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/03/07 03:19 PM

The Red dot got me arrrrrggghhhhh. half of Black Forest Polka

http://www.box.net/shared/v4auplz1kx

That's only half, I was on a lunch break and had to go back to work.

If anyone is interested I'll scan it for them just pm me.


Hmm Mark,It's kind of like strumming your finger on a table.

Make sure you keep your 4th finger raised, once I made a concious effort to keep it cleared the chords were cleaner.
Posted by: Michael Dugan

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/04/07 10:03 AM

Hello all. I just stumbled across this web site and I think I've found a new home!

Most of my adult life I wanted to learn to play the piano. Over the years I tried to do it on my own, but never successfully. Last year I took a tour of the Steinway factory here on Long Island (my day job is a professional cabinetmaker and I went with my woodworking guild) and found myself re-inspired. Again, I went back to the keyboard, trying to teach myself.

Then, as a Christmas gift last year, my wife gave me a gift certificate for a months worth of piano lessons. I am so grateful for her doing that because I probably wouldn't have done it on my own (sometimes us guys need our women to give us a little nudge).

What a difference the lessons made! I would say that I benefit about 30% from by teacher's guidance and the other 70% comes from having to face her once a week so I had BETTER get in enough practicing time!

Anyway it's been 11 months now and I'm loving it!!! I'm in Alfred's book 2 and am learning "Night song". What a beautiful piece.

Having read through this thread, I have to agree with many others that most of the songs are a bit lack luster. Have any of you tried Alfred's Greatest Hits Vol 2? It has some really beautiful songs. I learned "Beauty and the Beast" a couple of months ago and am now working on "Think of me" from Phantom of the opera. It's really tough, but the payoff is enormous! What a beautiful piece!

That's it for now. Look for me to be a regular here! BTW below is the link to Alfred's Greatest Hits Vol 2 on amazon.

Best,

Michael


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0739002821
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/04/07 10:15 AM

Hi Michael, glad to have you join our community.

Going to check that book out, sounds scrumptious.
Posted by: johnnymb

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/04/07 07:03 PM

Welcome Michael - You have indeed found a home as I have recently found. I am in Alfred's chord approach book 2, been "playing" for 7 months. If only I had started 20 years ago after quitting guitar. Some are easy some are maddening. I had my lesson last night and am now starting a tune called Happy Holiday(not the Christmas tune) This will definitely be my most challenging piece yet, good mix of pairs of eighth notes with stacatto 2nds, 3rds & 5ths. Yipeeeee
Posted by: PianoTeacherKim

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/06/07 10:30 AM

Oxfords Gal:[/b]
Nice job on your recording! I like your nice, light touch on this song. Well played!! I forgot how much I liked that one!

Michael:[/b]
A big welcome to you. It's so true about what lessons do for you! Sometimes all you need is a bit of correction and guidance and a big dose of motivation to practice! I'm really happy to hear you're enjoying yourself. "Think of Me" is one of my favorite musical theater songs -- I sang it for my group voice final waaaay back in college. :-)

Keycrazy:[/b]
Believe it or not, I feel those "what if's" too about my playing. My first instrument was flute and I concentrated on it pretty exclusively during my middle- and high-school years, only really getting into piano in college. Oh, the time I lost! But it's so great that you're playing now. So many adults don't even start because they think it's just too late.

Happy Holidays!

Kim
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/07/07 11:53 AM

Thanks Kim,I suffer from red dot and I can do better most of the time but your encouraging words mean a lot to me.
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/07/07 09:24 PM

At the risk of sounding incredibly unknowledgable, what exactly is "red dot"? I've seen it used so many times but I don't think I'd be able to define it. *insert embarassed face*

On a different note, I have just started the chromatic scale. Not too bad in my opinion, although I am bothered how Alfred always starts it on the E instead of Middle C. Hehe...
Posted by: PianoTeacherKim

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/07/07 11:06 PM

Pianoluvr,

Remember tape recorders that had red dots right on the record button?

It's that strange phenomenon that occurs when you try to record your playing -- you see that red dot (digital or real-world) and all of a sudden, even though there might be nobody listening, your ability to play the piano seems to seep right out of your head! :-)

I think chromatic scales are fun. Call me crazy. Must be something about playing every note, in order -- it's very organized!! And they sound impressive to friends and family!!

Oxfords Gal,

So glad! My favorite mantra is: progress, not perfection. If you release your expectations of perfection, your enjoyment factor will go way, way up.

Warmly,

Kim
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/09/07 10:16 AM

Pomp and Cicumstance

Hate it. The clunk gets on my nerves but it's a good learning technic

I have Dark Eyes (Russian Folk Song) and an Etude by Chopin after that before swinging sevenths.

I tried to switch to the Basic Adult Course to speed it up a bit but my teacher said to lets just stick with the Adult all in One. So it's going to take me a long time to get to book 3, since she focuses more on Helen Curtis.
Posted by: gmm1

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/09/07 11:09 AM

Hey OG, were together, at least for the moment. I also am advancing very slowly through the book.

And, P&C is just not fun. I learned it well enough to play it somewhat, but I am droping it and moving on the SSevenths after the holidays. I'm just too busy with Christmas carols right now.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/09/07 12:35 PM

I've been working on Pomp and Circumstance for a few weeks now and I'm just starting to get it. I think because there is no easy pattern in the piece makes it so difficult. I find the key for this one to me pure memorization.

also gmm1, you will like sevenths, really mellow fun piece...
Posted by: PianoN00b

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/09/07 01:48 PM

Not sure if any one posted these songs....

bridal http://youtube.com/watch?v=MJ5DEalpM-8

Light and Blues http://youtube.com/watch?v=O5OaYEhA42c
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/17/07 11:28 PM

How's everybody doing this week? I'm done with "Battle Hymn" and am finishing up "Twelfth of Never" and beginning "Nobody knows the Trouble I've Seen". I feel like I'm starting to get the knack of the Bb scale a little bit....

Char
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/18/07 08:19 AM

Done with Pomp, weeeee I was happy to turn that page. he he

I'm doing Dark Eyes, I've always loved that type of music. It's very simple but still a very nice piece.
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/18/07 02:22 PM

Have started the Hokey-Pokey. Oh, the memories. Hopefully I'll have more time to practice now that I'm on school break. \:\)
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/31/07 06:13 PM

Happy New year to everyone! \:\)

...'xcuse the red dot anxiety.

Village Dance


Hokey-Pokey
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/01/08 07:01 AM

Very good Elise, you're coming along nicely. The village dance is one of my favorites.
Posted by: Sundew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/01/08 07:16 AM

For some reason Village Dance won't play for me, but Hokey did. Well done Elise and Happy New Year to you {and everyone} too. \:\)

I finished Scherzo {after a fashion - I so dislike those LH stretches}, then I decided to take a break.
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/01/08 04:42 PM

That sounds very nice Elise. I enjoyed hearing it! \:\)

As for an update on my progress, I am working on Night Song. Much fun to get into inversions. It makes me feel as if I'm making progress! Sadly, Alfred is going on at snail's pace becuase my teacher really want to focus on other things. I've recently start Beethoven's Sonatina in G, which is taking up most of time. Has anyone played this piece and is willing to give me some tips? Thanks!

Oh, and Happy New Year everyone! All the best!
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/02/08 10:55 AM

Thanks all for the encouraging words.
I'm loving night song and space shuttle - NOT looking forward to Farewell nor Pomp - they look hard \:\) .
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/02/08 11:07 AM

Hi Pianoluvr, I play Sonatina in G first and Second movement everyday. It's part of my repertoir.

Take it slow of course it's not a difficult piece although it looks that way.

Are you having issues with any particular area?

I'm at work but trying to picture it in my mind.

For the second measure make sure you do the 2 note phrasing correctly. Hit the first note full and the second note hit it lightly and short almost like a reverse stacatto to give it the 2 note phrase sound.

Measure 6 and 7 were the toughies for me and sometimes I still mess them up but I figured out that when I do my right hand correctly my left hand will do it correctly as well. Just pay attention to those measures, the way I got past my blunder is I looked at my right hand.

There's a part that you do an embelishment with the f sharp and e and after that embellishment you'll see where those fingers just go down and up in succession.[/b] If you can focus on that you have half the battle.

The left hand accompaniment to that is finger 5 then 2, 4 then finger 3. Those 2 measures were getting to me, sometimes I'd do it perfect and sometimes I wouldn't.

That's when I did the right hand alone and realized it was just straight up and down, then I did the left hand repetitively to get the 5,2,4 etc finger engraved.

Once I realized that if I got the right hand correct the left hand would follow correctly too (Unconciously I guess) I didn't have anymore misses.

Wait till you get to the second movement, I like that one a lot.

If you have any particular measure in mind let me know and I'll help you out with it.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/02/08 11:09 AM

I hated pomp but I like Aloha, the arpeggiated chords are great practice and sound lovely in music. Just make sure you roll your wrist slightly and play the arpeggiated chords very lightly. Once my teacher told me to go light on the chords it took on a whole different sound.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/02/08 06:26 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IamElise:
Thanks all for the encouraging words.
I'm loving night song and space shuttle - NOT looking forward to Farewell nor Pomp - they look hard \:\) . [/b]
Give Pomp time. It's a little tricky. I'm just now getting it fairly clean and its been a while.
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/07/08 11:49 PM

Thanks Oxfords Gal! That's been really vaulable as I've been working on the piece (so excited-I've just begun the second movement!)

On a different note, our last lesson introduced the Space Shuttle song. And usually, I'm not the biggest fan of that kind of music but this piece is just plain fun to play! \:\) I enjoy it a lot.
Posted by: 80z_Chick

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/13/08 12:39 PM

I am currently working on "Loch Lomond" and rather enjoying it!
Posted by: KeyboardJungle

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/13/08 03:43 PM

Can anybody give me some tips on proper technique for a 16th note arpeggio, such as in Musetta's Waltz? Should I roll my wrist, play with just my fingers, ...

Thanks in advance.
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/18/08 09:46 AM

ok...I give up.
Can someone please post Pomp.. I am not getting it.

Tenk you.

Im loving Swinging \:\)
Posted by: Sundew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/18/08 06:07 PM

http://www.box.net/shared/d8jamv2rk8
performed by Z32

Mark has placed the link to this and others in the first post of the thread.
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/19/08 11:10 AM

Thanks so much.

..I did not know that.
Thanks.
Posted by: dumdumsareyum

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/05/08 03:03 PM

hi

i'm new here just wanted to introduce myself. I just started the hokey pokey. I took lessons for a few months in high school about 8 years ago so I went through my old "later beginner" alfred's book and found some stuff on the internet to learn and then ordered book 2. I'm glad it had a "review" at the beginning cause them sure wuz a lot of notes! So now that I'm about half way through I'm still wondering if I should get the lvl 1 book to pick up anything I missed. I'm teaching myself at the moment and I still feel like sometimes i'm a little sloppy or don't do dynamics enough, or keep the tempo \:\) don't know if this is something book 1 will help with or if it's just time to get a teacher. Anyway, so far brahm's lullabye and light and blue have been my favorites. \:\)
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/05/08 03:20 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by dumdumsareyum:
hi

i'm new here just wanted to introduce myself. I just started the hokey pokey. I took lessons for a few months in high school about 8 years ago so I went through my old "later beginner" alfred's book and found some stuff on the internet to learn and then ordered book 2. I'm glad it had a "review" at the beginning cause them sure wuz a lot of notes! So now that I'm about half way through I'm still wondering if I should get the lvl 1 book to pick up anything I missed. I'm teaching myself at the moment and I still feel like sometimes i'm a little sloppy or don't do dynamics enough, or keep the tempo \:\) don't know if this is something book 1 will help with or if it's just time to get a teacher. Anyway, so far brahm's lullabye and light and blue have been my favorites. \:\) [/b]
I'm not sure how much book 1 will help in dynamics, but it might help in the basic theory area. If your playing Light and Blue and brahm lullabye then book 1 is probaby below your level. On a bright note book 1 is one around $10.

Keep us posted.

PS: And getting teacher is a great idea...
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/06/08 11:25 AM

My teacher just started me on Suzuki 3 and A. Masterworks 3. I thought she would do that when we got done with this book - lvl 2.

Is anyone else using other supplements in addition to Alfred's level 2 book?

(Please forgive me if I should have started a new thread \:\)
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/07/08 10:42 AM

My teacher has me on helen Curtis book 3. It's an old method that was used in the 40's and 50's. It's all classical and the difference is the pieces are not arranged. they are all original.

we still do alfreds and when I do alfreds it seems sooo easy compared to what she gives me out of helen curtis.

this is a piece from book 2 helen curtis

http://www.box.net/shared/qt6ayhd7l3

this is an example from book 3

http://www.box.net/shared/bqr6bp3ps6
that's not too bad, it gets really ugly.

this is the reason i hardly post. It's quite a challenge

In addition she's giving me a 3 piece sonatina by Frank Lynes which is really fun. It's kind of like a finger independence work out and I quote

"due to the challenging rhythm and some quick left-hand jumps. The first three have three movements, and the fourth has two. One of my favorites is No. 2, III Rondo, because of its jaunty feel, a result of the use of dotted rhythm.

Some challenges presented by these Sonatinas are independence of hands, balance of melody and accompaniment, fingering (which needs careful attention) and tonal control for shaping dynamics."

these sonatinas are way fun. lots of fast finger fun fun stuff.

I also do czerny exericises which are fun and are great workouts with melody as opposed to the redundant hanons (sorry if I offend anyone it's not my intention).
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/07/08 11:05 AM

OG! no wonder you are doing so great! I will ask my teach. if she ever used HelenC. She's never mentioned it. Im loving the suzuki and Alfred's MW.

I couldnt access the box net thingy. when I click on the link a sign in page popped up asking me to sign in.

That's why Im hardly posting these days too. I could sit and read for hours, so I really have to restrain myself \:\)
She started me on Rondo alla Turca after I had asked her what the name of that tune was (she did not see the clip)then Nancy guessed it
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/32/5234.html
the first and second pages were a breeze, its getting challenging at the end of the third page.
Then there is the Moonlight ......
so Im having kittens over here...

I'll check back tomorrow to see if you fixed the page.
Cheers.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/07/08 11:49 AM

sorry therese, I fixed them.

ha ha ha on the kittens, I'm having cows.

see if she'll let you do Frank Lynes those are really fun.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2493/is_2_53/ai_108694425
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/07/08 03:12 PM

Hey everyone! Just updating. I've started Pomp., which is pretty fun to do, but not too bad.

Do you like Suzuki 3, Iamelise? I've one more song to finish in Suzuki 2 and I'm wondering if I want to go on to 3 or not. If you're looking for a cool supp. book, check this out:

http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_...ts+Item-_-Title

It's Alfred's Sonatina Album. I've recently gotten it and am enjoying it a lot. It has a good selection of Sonatinas, Beehtoven's "Easy Sonatas", and more.
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/08/08 10:41 AM

Oooh my goodness OG! yikes - I could see it getting really ugly - look at those leaping 4 lines up off the treble already - LOL! dear me.... \:\)

PL, I do love the S3 it is really getting ugly \:\) makes me leap up off the bench sometimes \:\)
Do get it!
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/19/08 10:08 PM

As I come to a close to book two, I have really hit a snag. In the next to last piece the thrills in Festive Rondeau are killing me. My teacher has gone over it two times but its not happening so far. Any suggestions or pointers...

And I thought this next to last short piece was a gim me before Canon in D...lol

Mark
Posted by: Sundew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/21/08 09:13 AM

Hey Mark, well done on being close to the end of book 2. Is that Grand looking closer now?
No Festive Rondeau in my edition.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/21/08 11:37 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Sundew:
Hey Mark, well done on being close to the end of book 2. Is that Grand looking closer now?
No Festive Rondeau in my edition. [/b]
Thanks...one more book to finish, and then grand shopping... \:\)
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/21/08 12:53 PM

Festive Rondeau is not in the All in One Adult but I have the basic course as well and I've been doing the trill exercise from it everyday so when I do try to squeeze that one in I won't be too frustrated.

I'm on Chopin Opus in my Alfreds book. wow my hat is off to people who play the real Chopin stuff. Even this watered down version is not so easy on some passages. His style is completely different in this piece as opposed to the prelude I did which I think might be his easiest piece.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/21/08 12:59 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
Festive Rondeau is not in the All in One Adult but I have the basic course as well and I've been doing the trill exercise from it everyday so when I do try to squeeze that one in I won't be too frustrated.

[/b]
Whats funny is I can thrill in the exercises, but having a major problem, mixing it in the piece...
Posted by: Michael Dugan

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/21/08 02:30 PM

 Quote:

I'm on Chopin Opus in my Alfred's book. wow my hat is off to people who play the real Chopin stuff. Even this watered down version is not so easy on some passages.
I'm on the same piece O.G. Glad to hear I'm not alone with the struggle it's presenting. Rather than trying to tackle it in one week (like most of the other pieces in the book), I've been learning just 2 Lines per week, supplemented with other pieces.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/21/08 06:14 PM

The theme from the Chopin piece was adapted into a hit tune (like a number of other Classical works) for pop singer Jo Stafford back in the late 1940s or early 1950s (long before most of your times!). The song is called "No Other Love" and is absolutely gorgeous (as you would expect), perhaps one of the most beautiful ever composed, with excellent lyrics and, of course, Chopin's exquisite melody. Jo's simple & lovely version (in somewhat "low fidelity") can be heard on YouTube (I believe the lyrics are printed there also) at this site:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhbdHJyMmyk

JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/21/08 06:25 PM

This fall I decided it was time to try to learn how to play the piano "properly" so I opted for Alfred's All-in-One, Level 2. Previously I had been playing from lead sheets (not very well BTW), so reading all the notes was an interesting new challenge.

As I near the end of the book, I am wondering what should be my next best course of action. I could move to Level 3, I suppose. On the other hand, since reading all the notes and getting familiar with the 2's and 3's is so new to me, I wonder if I shouldn't get Alfred's Greatest Hits, Level 2, and hang around at that level for awhile longer?

On the other hand, I love playing the Chopin Opus. It makes me feel as though I'm playing something musically meaningful. I have not really thought about playing classical music before, but I so enjoyed playing this piece that I might have to rethink the matter. Is there an Alfred's Level 2 "classical greatest hits", if you know what I mean?
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/21/08 06:37 PM

JF:

While I was preparing my posting, your's arrived. Thank you for the pointer to the Jo Stafford piece. It is indeed lovely. Listening to her sing it will give new insight into how I should play it.

I hate to admit it, but I was a teenager when she was in her hey-day. You've made me all weepy and nostalgic. It all seemed so much simpler then.

Bob
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/21/08 08:24 PM

Bob;

You're welcome - very glad you enjoyed it - I wasn't quite a teenager yet but I remember hearing her sing this great song and several others, especially "You Belong to Me" on the radio - you're right when you say that listening to her sing this can be used as an excellent guiide to playing it - the tempo, phrasing & dynamics are near perfect - I'm about ready to move into Book 3 myself and will push right into it ASAP - you might be interested to know that Alfred's "Sacrad Piano" books (Levels 1&2) are companions to the All-In-One method and really are very good sources of additional music at this level - the pieces are all of the classic, old hymn type, are melodically attractive, and are nicely arranged - they can be enjoyed (& for the most part mastered) without too much strain (even if you're not necessarily religious) - I'm currently about 2/3 of the way thru Book 2 (there are about 40 hymns in each). Anyway, above all, have fun! JF
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/22/08 09:07 AM

Well I'm kind of sad and have some mixed feelings about my piano endeavors.

I told my teacher that I wanted to get on with finishing Alfred's and she said we would if I wanted but she's not a method book person especially these new methods that teach for people who are doing it for a hobby.

She doesn't like arranged pieces. \:\( I kind of like having a method, I guess I like a sequential structure although my teacher knows what she's doing.

For instance she just assigned me Beethoven Opus 49 no. 2. It has trills followed by grace notes but I haven't even gotten to pieces with trills in Alfreds yet although I do them everyday.

I would of never thought I'd be capable of doing this piece yet.

So I might have to say goodbye to Alfreds \:\(
Posted by: gmm1

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/22/08 09:59 AM

hey OG. For sure, your teacher knows you best, and her advice should be considered.

But, (you just knew I would have a but, didn't you?) she did say she was willing to continue with the method if you want.

It also sounds like you want to "get on with it" and finish it. I wonder if you are advancing beyond what Alfred's can offer, and your time is better spent under her direction.

If I were to be in that position, I think I would focus on what she wants, and putt with Alfred's when I get bored or need a break from the "serious" stuff.

I kinda take exception to her "hobby" statement. What does that mean? Too much of an "overview", perhaps.

Hmmm. I've changed back and forth twice now. I have made Alfred's a goal for me, and I would resist leaving it behind. But, I am advancing very slowly, and as I watch/hear you, I am envious of your progress....

OK OK OK - my advice is ignore me. There, that was easy....
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/22/08 11:27 AM

ha, I would never ignore you gmm1 or anyone else. I think everyone has good advice that I can use.

The hobby thing I think she meant just playing arranged music. She used to play Chopins impromptu at the age of 10 and she used to perform so I think she kind of expects alot from her students. Or rather she expects us to give it all we got and to our fullest potential.

I think I might do Alfred's on my own and play it for her when I have the pieces down but focus on what she wants me to do. See your advice works. \:D

I think it's just me, I'm a structured person and I like finishing what I start and feel kind of slighted when I don't.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/22/08 11:36 AM

OG and gmm1 refer to Alfred as a "method" book. I'd love it if someone would explain what the "method" is?

One of the questions I keep asking as I work through the book is, "what am I supposed to be learning from this particular piece". My teacher offers up no answer as he doesn't really believe in "method" books either, but has tolerated my desire to get up to speed reading notes and Alfred's Level 2 seemed to be as good a place to start as any.

Another question I have is what purpose is served in presenting the chords. This may seem strange coming from someone who here-to-fore played only from the lead sheet, but unless I write in the chord names myself, I don't see what Alfred is getting at, and no explanation is ever offered. In fact, I would hate to have tried to learn my 7th chords using the explanation presented in the text as it is almost incomprehensible to me. Perhaps I'm being unfair as I opted for the All-in-one, whereas the other books, which I have not seen, might offer up more detailed information.

But you should probably ignore my comments as I am someone who, until this fall never read notes except for those of the melody line. On the other hand, within a 3 month interval, I'm playing the piano better than I ever have and am enjoying it more, so Alfred must be doing something right; just don't ask me what it is.

Bob
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/22/08 12:25 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
I'd love it if someone would explain what the "method" is?

I'm playing the piano better than I ever have and am enjoying it more, so Alfred must be doing something right; just don't ask me what it is.

Bob [/b]
I think you answered your own question... \:D
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/22/08 12:52 PM

A method book as I see it teaches you in steps and increments and some sort of logical sequence how to play the piano.

Kind of like math. You start with adding, subtracting, multiplication etc etc in order to be able to solve complex mathematical problems. I think engineers benefit most from the complex math.

It's funny you should ask about chords because my teacher posed this to me yesterday.

As I was playing a czerny piece she first asked me what key it was in. "G" I answered. OOO i get a lollipop, then she asked me to look at the accompaniment (left hand) and it was arpeggiated chords which she asked me to identify. OOOOOOO I, IV and that other one.

Yes, another lollipop, now if I cover the accompaniment you technically can play the piece.

oooo enlightment. In the fabers method there is a piece that gives you the melody and you have to add the accompaniment. Well if you know what key it's in and you should know because it is a method book that introduces those things and you should know the chords then you can add the accompaniment. vuola!!! \:D
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/22/08 08:33 PM

Mark, the only formula that I see is: introduce a key signature, learn the scale, play a simple piece, here are the IV, V7, I chords, now here's a lead sheet with notes written out, next is a piece with notes written out with no lead sheet, here is a more difficult piece. Now add a flat or a sharp, go to new key signature, and repeat. If this is the "method" what is it that teachers don't like about it. What "method" would they rather use?

Oxfords Gal, this is starting to get interesting. In many of the "old standards", the chord sequence is ii, V, I. If you drop the root of the ii chord, you get a IV chord, so we're all talking about the same thing. Each of those chords is made up of parts of the major scale associated with the chord sequence. In G, you have C (IV), D7 (V) and G (I). All the notes are in the scale of G, so if you want to improvise you just play notes from that scale. I wish it were that easy, but that's the basic idea, anyway.

As you discovered, congratulations on getting the lollipop, the same rules apply, but it is the inverse problem. The composer took care of the chord sequence and filled in the composition from the notes of the appropriate scale. I see why that was necessary for the composer, but why is it necessary for the reader. The notes are all there, all written out, just play them. Did it help you to note-read the piece knowing that the chords were C, D7 and G? Maybe I've been working with chords for so long, I don't see how my knowledge of them is helping me.

Finally, what really escapes me, is why these books do not introduce the circle of fifths (or fourths depending on your point of view), as this is really the key to understanding what is going on. If there are any teachers out there monitoring this thread, I'd be interested in your point of view on this. My own teacher suggests that students aren't interested in the "why" just the "how". But the "why" takes so much of the mystery out of it.
Posted by: pevawi

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/23/08 12:14 AM

If you look at the Alfred's adult book #2 at the back you will find your circle of 5th. I think they (the course makers) find this material only needed after completion of book 2 (before going to book 3).

About the naming of the chords I guess Alfred like you to learn two things at the same time:
a) learn to play notes in two staves
b) learn to play with only lead-sheets.

I've to admit "a" is working for me, "b" not because I do not pay attention to the names. Although I do get the "math" behind chords their progression etc. makes that I can "calculate" every chord but I don't memorise them. I guess naming the chords is only useful if you wish to talk about it (like: "hey you.. play a D7 instead of a G chord please!") about the same as the naming for the notes (A-F).

I think a reason for teacher to not like this method could because it starts out heavy relying on chords. This forces you left hand in a bit "fixed" position (you only move it slightly for the next chord). Thus developing a more melodic right hand and a very fixed left hand. If I look at a book that Mozart used for his son I see it develops both hands at the same time. I know there are a few songs in Alfred’s that do develop the left hand as well but the main part is focused on left-hand playing chords.

I find/found it very hard at the beginning adjusting to chord playing (my organ methods almost never uses complete chords). Somehow the sight-reading for one-line of notes is very different than reading 3 notes at the same time.
Posted by: gmm1

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/23/08 06:49 AM

Well, another perspective here..

I am half way through Alfred's. I have heard/read others discuss what they like or dislike about the method, and frankly, I don't see it as a "chord" course at all.

Pevawi, I hear ya buddy. I self-taught guitar and the method I used did not ever name chords, just notes. It never clicked that I was playing chords for the longest time. That was a huge problem when goofing off with others. Could not do it. Someone would yell C or F or whatever, and I just sat there.

Alfreds does, in fact, give you the chords similar to a lead sheet but also includes the LH part, which may or may not use all the notes of the chord. I love it! I can see how both lines are using the chord, and have an added clue of what notes to play. This was what was missing in my guitar days.

Pevawi, I agree with what you are saying. Alfred's indeed will teach you how to do both reading and lead-sheet prep. I say prep because it does not, in my opinion, teach someone how to do it well, but does give the basics of structure so someone could get by if needed, and develops the skill and knowledge to continue down that path if that's what you wanted to do.

I am so glad that Alfred's allows me small insights into how chords are the building blocks behind the music, and the tools to take it wherever I want. I suppose this becomes ingrained in all who study music, but for me, it was a mystery for years.

Now, I get it.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/23/08 07:34 PM

gmm1, well stated. I think I get it.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/27/08 12:34 PM

Speaking of chords, or more precisely, the notes comprising chords, I'm currently working on the piece "Ballin' The Jack" on pg. 112 in the Alfred's All-In-One Book 2 and at the end of the 1st half, in measure #8, I'm trying to decide how exactly to play the Ds (2 of them an octave apart) indicated in the Left Hand part of that measure.

The question is: should they be played natural or flatted? There is no direct indication to play them flatted, either in the key signature or with a flat sign directly in front of them on the bass staff.

However, the D on the 1st beat of the Right Hand part is flatted. This means, of course, that any other D in the Right Hand part of that measure is also flatted.

Now, the real question here is: does that flat sign not only apply to the treble staff Ds in this measure but also to the bass staff Ds?

I'm not sure I've run across this situation anywhere else in Books 1 or 2, and I can't remember seeing anything on this in my readings in music theory or arranging/orchestration.

I guess the ultimate test is in the playing, and when one does so the D sounds better than a D flat here (as does another E flat for that matter).

Actually the chord implied here is an F Major (with the C and A in the Right Hand), and an F note in the bass part at this point sounds best of all (completing the full F chord triad F-A-C). And given the well-known advantages of "artistic license" this F is the note I'm very tempted to play, if only because it sounds so "right".

But, I think the D actually was intended by the composer or arranger since it appears in two different octaves, if only to give a slight "edge" to the harmony here - a common, modern technique.

However, I would like to get your feedback on this, especially on the question of accidentals on one staff applying to the other staff. Any thoughts?

Oh yes, if anyone knows what "Ballin' The Jack" is or means (my impression is that it was a 1920's dance style) a little insight into that would be helpful.

Thanks, JF
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/27/08 01:13 PM

Ballin the Jack always sounded naughty to me. \:D

First you put your two knees close up tight
Then you sway them to the left, then you sway them to the right
Step around the floor kind of nice and light
Then you twist around and twist around with all your might,
Stretch your loving arms straight out into space,
Then you do the Eagle Rock with style and grace.
Swing your foot way 'round then bring it back.
Now that's what I call Ballin' the Jack."


Ballin' the Jack is basically just a sensual, gyration dance with bumps and grinds. Notorious in its day, it was done as a solo dance or along with swing dancing. It's first public appearance was in 1913 at the Lafayette Theater in Harlem, the play was called "The Darktown Follies" produced by Leubrie Hill in the first act called "At The Ball, That's All." Florence Ziegfeld loved it so much he purchased the rights and used it in his Follies of 1913.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/27/08 04:16 PM

Working on Canon in D and cleaning up some other pieces in book 2. Tomorrow at my lesson I start book 3... \:\)
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/27/08 05:40 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
Working on Canon in D and cleaning up some other pieces in book 2. Tomorrow at my lesson I start book 3... \:\) [/b]
Wow, Mark. Congratulations.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/27/08 06:57 PM

JF:

When I played this piece for my teacher this week I did not flatten the LH D, and I did not get my knuckles rapped. Since my teacher is very picky about my playing the notes exactly as written, I can only infer that the rule is not to apply the flat to a staff other than the one in which it was written. But don't quote me, it's only an inference.

BTW, I have been at this piece for a week now and still have difficulty getting through measures 6-8. I've played it a thousand times, but it is still not smooth.


Mark:

Let me add my congratulations. Did you give any thought to playing more pieces at Level 2 to reinforce what you had learned to this point?

What Level 3 book are you using?
Posted by: mom3gram

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/27/08 07:01 PM

Congrats on starting book 3, Mark. Wow! that seems like light years away. :-)
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/27/08 07:04 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
JF:
Mark:

Let me add my congratulations. Did you give any thought to playing more pieces at Level 2 to reinforce what you had learned to this point?

What Level 3 book are you using? [/b]
Thanks! I will continue to try to clean up pieces in book 2, but I think book 3 should help push my skill level. I by no means have mastered book 2. I even play a couple of book one pieces that I want to keep. Book 3 will probably keep me busy close to a year.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/27/08 08:47 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
Ballin the Jack always sounded naughty to me. \:D

First you put your two knees close up tight
Then you sway them to the left, then you sway them to the right
Step around the floor kind of nice and light
Then you twist around and twist around with all your might,
Stretch your loving arms straight out into space,
Then you do the Eagle Rock with style and grace.
Swing your foot way 'round then bring it back.
Now that's what I call Ballin' the Jack."


Ballin' the Jack is basically just a sensual, gyration dance with bumps and grinds. Notorious in its day, it was done as a solo dance or along with swing dancing. It's first public appearance was in 1913 at the Lafayette Theater in Harlem, the play was called "The Darktown Follies" produced by Leubrie Hill in the first act called "At The Ball, That's All." Florence Ziegfeld loved it so much he purchased the rights and used it in his Follies of 1913. [/b]
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/27/08 08:55 PM

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Ballin' the Jack is basically just a sensual, gyration dance with bumps and grinds. Notorious in its day, it was done as a solo dance or along with swing dancing. It's first public appearance was in 1913 at the Lafayette Theater in Harlem, the play was called "The Darktown Follies" produced by Leubrie Hill in the first act called "At The Ball, That's All." Florence Ziegfeld loved it so much he purchased the rights and used it in his Follies of 1913. [/QB][/QUOTE]

OG - thanks for the info on "Ballin' The Jack" - and you're right, it does sound a little nasty or risque. Obviously I need a little help on using this quote mechanism. JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/27/08 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by OldFingers:
JF:

When I played this piece for my teacher this week I did not flatten the LH D, and I did not get my knuckles rapped. Since my teacher is very picky about my playing the notes exactly as written, I can only infer that the rule is not to apply the flat to a staff other than the one in which it was written. But don't quote me, it's only an inference.

BTW, I have been at this piece for a week now and still have difficulty getting through measures 6-8. I've played it a thousand times, but it is still not smooth.

OldFingers - thanks for the confirmation on the flattening of the D question in "Ballin'" - I suspected this was the case but needed a 2nd opinion. JF (P.s., did you get my private message about "No Other Love"?)

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Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/28/08 06:59 AM

Yay Mark, book 3. weeeeeeeee

Jf, he he too funny on quote remark. \:D
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/28/08 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by Mark...:
Working on Canon in D and cleaning up some other pieces in book 2. Tomorrow at my lesson I start book 3... \:\) [/b]
Yay! Someone else on Book 3! Are you using the All in One edition?
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/28/08 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by IrishMak:
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Originally posted by Mark...:
Working on Canon in D and cleaning up some other pieces in book 2. Tomorrow at my lesson I start book 3... \:\) [/b]
Yay! Someone else on Book 3! Are you using the All in One edition? [/b]
We Freshmen are going to be expecting you rising seniors to start updating that Alfred's Book Three thread. It's been pretty dormant.

(I'll need to reference your discussions, some day, I am sure.)
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/28/08 11:02 AM

Yeah, it has. But since it seemed I was the only one actively working on Book 3, I ended up rather like talking to myself! LOL
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/28/08 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by IrishMak:
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Originally posted by Mark...:
Working on Canon in D and cleaning up some other pieces in book 2. Tomorrow at my lesson I start book 3... \:\) [/b]
Yay! Someone else on Book 3! Are you using the All in One edition? [/b]
No, the regular Alfred adult. So its probably easier to finish then the All in one...
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/28/08 12:57 PM

OldFingers - you're right about the relative difficulty of measures 6-8 in "Ballin'", which is understandable since there are 3 or 4 rhythmic patterns there in addition to the constantly changing tight or cramped right hand positions and the fact that the accidentals are changing back and forth.

I'm at the point where I can play it at about half speed, although I'm not exactly sure what full speed is since the indication at the top is "Not Too Fast" (which means fast, but not too much so - allegro moderato maybe.

Also, I'm still not sure about whether accidentals shown on one staff also apply to the other staff - for example, if the D on the middle line of the bass staff was shown on a ledger line below the treble staff instead (as it sometimes is) it seems logical that the flat sign would then apply to it. Since it doesn't look as if I'm going to get a definitive answer here I think I'll take the question out to the Forum at large - maybe someone will know for sure. JF
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/29/08 10:39 AM

JohnFrank – well I tried. I’m guessing you all ready know this, but I have the CD for Book 2 and I went to see what tempo they played “Ballin” with; this particular piece is not on the CD.

Undone
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/29/08 12:29 PM

Undone - thanks for the try - unless a piece has a definite metronome speed indicated (or even a range of speeds) it's probably the performers choice (within reasonable limits), although certain songs with syncopted rhythimic patterns such as this almost "demand" a certain minimum tempo that is still fairly fast - this reminds me somewhat of the tempo designation fot the simplified version of Scott Joplin's "The Entertainer" at the end of Book 1 which says simply "Not Fast", which is really wide open to interpretation (can mean anything less than allegro, for example), and I've heard recorded versions across a fairly wide range of tempos. . I always thought it would be very helpful if the compilers of methods and songbooks would include for each piece at least a range of meteronome settings as a general guide to the usual tempo that it is typically played at. Again thanks,JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/02/08 08:53 PM

JohnFrank:

A somewhat belated thank-you for the PM and the additional recommendations from Jo Stafford's albums.

I recorded my teacher playing "Ballin" and clocked it at 102. He interpreted "Not too fast" as being slower than he would like to have played it. It's plenty fast enough for me though. I get through measures 6-8 at speed about once in 10 tries.

I hope someone at Alfred's is reading this thread and will take account of your suggestion to include the times when they recommend a playing speed. What a great way to associate the words with a metronome setting.

At my lesson this week I'll ask your question about the accidentals.
Posted by: Keith W

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/02/08 09:28 PM

Yes, by standard notation accidentals only apply in the measure in which they appear. Sometimes, in subsequent measures, music is written with naturals to "un-flat or sharp" previously flatted or sharped notes, but this is just done for clarity: once you leave the measure, any applied accidentals no longer count.

Obviously, this isn't true of the key signature!

Hope that helps. I was just passing by...

Keith
Posted by: Keith W

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/02/08 09:41 PM

Uh, in case I didn't write that clearly: naturals are required if you want to un-flat or sharp a note that has been flatted or sharped in that measure, and they are also required to "naturalize" (unflat or sharp) a note that's been changed by the key signature. Otherwise, when they appear it's merely a courtesy, and can be confusing if you aren't expecting them (my experience).

I'm not sure that helps clarify! And, I hope I'm write (I'm just a beginner...) Good luck, anyway!

Keith
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/03/08 07:39 AM

Oldfingers - thanks for the thanks - I try to work out a metronome setting (or a range) as I study each piece and notate it at the top, so that when I go back to review it (as I do with most of the pieces) I have a good guide to the tempo I used initially - I'm not sure why publishers don't do this themselves - maybe to much trouble for the people doing the arrangements - maybe because they assume that different people will choose to play it at
different tempos - but still, a RANGE of metronome settings (mm = 100-110, for example) would still be nice to have as a general indication to a typical tempo.

OldFingers & Keith W - see the discussion under the topic heading "Basic Rules on Accidentals" which I started last week for definitive answers on the questions I raised here about them (accidetals, that is).
Posted by: Sundew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/03/08 03:29 PM

http://www.franzmfg.com/book1.htm

http://www.dolmetsch.com/musictheory5.htm

http://www.coloradocollege.edu/Dept/MU/Musicpress/Tempo.html

Some may be interested in these links.
They came from a 2004 discussion in the ABF. I agree Alfred can be a bit ambiguous re tempos. Hal Leonard indicates tempo by BPM which I find pretty useful. With Alfred I aim, not always successfully, for a tempo which feels and sounds right.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/04/08 07:25 AM

As many have mentioned before, the CDs that go along with the Alfred books leave a lot to be desired in the way of accompaniment, but I have found them to be very helpful in finding the implied tempo.

I had the MIDI files for book one and could simply read the tempo directly from the file. For book two I have the CD and use it to “tap out” the tempo on a metronome. After that, like JohnFrank, I write the bmp next to the tempo notation at the top of each piece. I have been quite surprised by the temp used on several songs; some were played much faster then I would have thought, then there were those that were played much slower. One of the biggest surprises was how fast they play Amazing Grace at the end of Book one; 121 bmp!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/04/08 08:03 AM

Undone - That must be the "jazzed up" version of that classic old hymn - I played it fairly slow as I have been used to hearing over the years.

Tempos can be tricky and not just determining the "right" one (or the one that sounds best to you) but also maintaing a fairly constant tempo throughout the playing of a given piece, especially considering everything else you have to think (worry?) about - and not to even mention the accels., decels., retardandos, pauses, etc. they throw at you! But, that's where using a metronome as you practice comes in handy. Hey, but it's all part of the nuance involved in the expressive beauty of music, and something we need to master to the point of it being at least semi-automatic.

In an unrelated matter concerning navigating thru a given piece of music, does anyone know for sure how repeat signs are to be handled AFTER a DC al Fine or a DS al Fine? Specifically, I refer to those repeat signs that occur between the return to the beginning (or return to the segno sign) and the Fine. Are they to be observed again, ignored completely or is it optional with the player?

Thanks, JF
Posted by: gmm1

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/04/08 10:27 AM

Hey JohnFrank.

My understanding is unless the composer notes otherwise, you only play the repeats once, and if you return to that section, then you ignore the repeats.

Of course, if I am not attempting to re-create what the composer wrote, and I like the repeats, then I do it. Not generally, though, as it just gives me more music to screw up....

"git-er-done" comes to mind....
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/10/08 09:09 AM

gmm1 - thanks for the clarification - while you're right about having more music to screw up I'll probably decide on a song-by-song basis as to whether or not to "repeat the repeats", so to speak - I like the idea of it being optional with the performer. JF
Posted by: gmm1

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/10/08 09:21 AM

Yea, JF, me too.

Another "trick" I use to make the piece longer is play the melody up an octave the second time through, then maybe even repeat the first back to the original octave. I do this with Brahms Lullaby to great effect. The third time through, I slow way down and play as soft as I can. Sounds like I really know what I am doing....
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/10/08 12:27 PM

Yes exactly! I do the same thing with some of the pieces - including the Brahms. It would appear that you do know what you're doing!

Still another technique I often employ - not only to extend the piece but to add a little bit of a "polished touch" to it (to the extent that I know how) - is to add a simple intro and ending to the work.

You can create your own, or even easier is the common method of taking the last phrase of a song - maybe the last 2 measures or so - and just repeating them (maybe a little slower & softer) for an added ending. For a lot of pieces you can use that same ending phrase as an intro to the piece also (again maybe slowed & softened a bit). It works quite well quite often.

Yet another "trick" is to repeat the last phrase as an added ending, but instead of repeating it exactly as written, start it where the original final phrase started but take it an octave higher (or lower) on the repeat (and end it with a full two-handed chord, especially if the original ending didn't use one.)

Also, note that you don't have to reserve this "phrase repeat" for the very ending of the piece - some works sound real cool if you repeat the final phrase of the 1st part before moving on to the 2nd part - like when you're playing a song or hymn and are going from a verse into the chorus.

One other basic technique that you might want to try on certain pieces is to vary the left hand accompaniment part - say, for example, if the piece is arranged with a simple "block" chord LH pattern accompanying the RH melody, play it thru that way the first time, and then arpeggiate those LH chords the 2nd time thru, and finally, play the original block chords again on the 3rd play thru.

Probably too much info but Keep the music playing ...

JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/13/08 09:59 AM

Duplicate post - sorry.
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/13/08 12:01 PM

That's funny. I was doing this very thing with Cafe Vienna in book one... I played the left hand part for two or four measures, then picked up with the RH part whenever it felt right. I didn't realize this was... how shall I phrase it... legal?
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/13/08 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by Always Wanted to Play Piano:
That's funny. I was doing this very thing with Cafe Vienna in book one... I played the left hand part for two or four measures, then picked up with the RH part whenever it felt right. I didn't realize this was... how shall I phrase it... legal? [/b]
Anything's legal - until you get caught!

Seriously, my approach is that just about anything you can & want to do that makes musical sense & adds to the interest of the piece & the pleasure you get from playing it is "fair game" - at least in the privacy of your own home (if I would be playing a copyrighted piece in public for money then that's a different story, but I'm not in any immediate danger of being in a position where that will happen!).

JF
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/14/08 12:16 PM

While I agree that a lot can be done to add interest (or length) to a piece, for my own practice sessions I insist on first getting the piece down as written and hopefully at the intended tempo. After that, I’m free to embellish, or modify at will. I need to be strict with myself about this, otherwise I’m too tempted to allow “my own interpretation” of the piece to prevent me from learning what it is this particular selection is suppose to be teaching my hands and me. (I’m talking about method book pieces here.)

Undone
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/14/08 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by Undone:
I insist on first getting the piece down as written and hopefully at the intended tempo.
Undone [/b]
Undone - you're absolutely right about this - I didn't say this outright in my two posts above, but it's (more or less) taken for granted - it's only after I've pretty much "nailed down" the piece as originally arranged that I will try to spice it up or "enhance" it a little.

Sometimes it's spontaneous and sometimes it's sorta planned out - and sometimes the ideas don't occur until I go back to it for review months later. But nothing is attempted in this regard until the piece is firmly in hand (or should I say "in hands")as initially presented.

However, while we're on the subject, yet another little spicer-upper is to take that last ending phrase (maybe the last 2, 2 1/2 or 3 measures) of the piece and DOUBLE the note values of all the notes - this, in effect, also doubles the number of measures in that phrase, but more importantly slows down the ending by streching it out and emphasizing the melody. In doing both of these things this technique signals the absolute ending of the piece. This is a common, long-standing technique and could actually be done on the REPEAT of the ending that I talked about before (i.e., play thru to the ending & then repeat it while doubling the note values in both hands, i.e., treble & bass staves).

JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/17/08 08:18 PM

I'm currently working on the old spiritual "Nobody Knows The Trouble I've Seen" in Book 2 - fairly easy piece. And, as part of my regular review routine, I'm also reworking "Hava Nagila" from 3-4 months ago, trying to polish this one off & having alot of fun with it, playing it much better than the first time thru. I was wondering if anyone else liked/disliked this piece and had trouble with it. It is 108 measures long, with a lot of time for mistakes, and especially for the left hand to tire & cramp up - did you have this problem too.

JF
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/18/08 06:46 AM

Hi JF,

I love Nagila Hava, I thought it was a pretty good arrangement. It was a challenge at the time, I would be interested in trying it again if I could find the time.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/20/08 06:49 AM

OG - hope you can find the time to work on it again - it's even more interesting and fun the 2nd time around - just the intro alone is fascinating to experiment with (gradually increasing volume & speed) - maybe if you can get it nailed to your satisfaction you'll record it for the next recital or piano bar.

Some other pieces that I enjoyed working my way thru Book 2 so far were: Light and Blue, Solace, Introduction and Dance, Black Forest Polka, Etude, Opus10, No.3 & Theme from Musetta's Waltz.

JF
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/20/08 07:15 AM

Hey JF, I might tackle it this weekend if I have time, my teacher keeps me pretty busy with her curriculum.

You like the same stuff I like. I loved all the ones you mentioned. I'm on Etude Opus right now and I love it. My teacher is a stickler for perfection and I had to redo it since I missed doing the 2 note phrases correctly. \:D

I don't know when I'll ever finish it. I'm hoping one more week and I'll move on to the next. Not sure what comes next in the Alfreds all in one Adult.

I'm in the process of finishing the stuff we've been working on and she asked me to start looking at La Comparsa by Ernest Lecuona. That's going to be a big challenge for me. I don't think I'm anywhere near that level but she's a great teacher so I'm going to start it little by little. \:\( tee heeee
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/20/08 11:35 AM

OG - it took me almost a whole month to get the Etude to the point where I was reasonably happy with it - but I've been away from it for awhile so I'll probably struggle with it again when I go back to review it - but it's a beautiful piece so it'll be worth it!

Some really good (and slightly tough) pieces coming up in Alfreds are: Musetta's Waltz, The Battle Hymn, and Ballin the Jack (moved on from this one, but still working on it a little each day - can't quite get it up to tempo all the way thru).

There's some really interesting looking pieces in Book 3, but I estimate at my current rate of progress I'll be in Book 2 thru the summer - hopefully finishing it up in time for the Labor Day holiday.

I'm also working on two other books simultaneously: Alfred's Adult Sacrad Piano book, Level 2 (classic old hymns) and The Big Book of Christmas Carols (intermediate level arrangements that helps to push the envelope, so to speak).

Like your Signature - heard that before, but it was many years ago - lotta truth in that!
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/20/08 06:56 PM

OG, I had to choose 2 out of 3 for the summer recital La Comparsa included. I chose Spanish Nocturne - pretty much polished and El Conquistador (talk about having elephants) \:\)
Do you take it one measure at a time (I do) or do you tackle it a page at a time - or what? \:\)
C'mon I know you can do this.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/21/08 07:23 AM

Hey Therese,

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I'm hiding under the table. tee heee. I don't want to come out of my safe spot.

Well I haven't started it yet. I was supposed to start it last week but I wanted to concentrate on finishing what she's given me before tackling that piece.

La Comparsa, that I have is the original version and from the looks of it, I'm going to take one measure at a time and nail it before I move on.

Out of curiosity, I was looking for the level and it's an advanced piece in it's original form. I'm at the Intermediate category so I'm a little intimidated right now but once I get into it with nothing else on my plate besides Alfred's I'm sure I'll feel much better.

The good thing is that I'm back to loving my practicing. For a while I was overwhelmed and was feeling really down but I talked with my teacher a couple of weeks ago. I went with half my books and I asked her to sit down and listen to me. Ever since then I feel so much more relaxed and I'm looking forward to practicing again.

How is el Conquistador? I love spanish music, not sure if it's because I am spanish. I don't think I've ever heard it before.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/23/08 10:52 PM

As I near completion of Alfred's level 2 I have been working on "Danny Boy". The arrangement is quite nice and I am enjoying playing it. I wonder if someone could direct me to other "non classical" pieces having arrangements that are at about the same level of difficulty as "Danny Boy". I'd like to practice a little more at Level 2 before I move on to Level 3.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/24/08 07:53 AM

OldFingers - good to see a post from you - I was wondering where you were.

I'm very impressed that you're about to wrap up Level 2 - you're really clipping along at a rather brisk pace thru some fairly challenging pieces!

It seems like just a couple of weeks ago that we were discussing the Chopin Etude & Ballin' The Jack (which I'm still trying to "nail down" even though I've moved on a couple of pieces).

At my current rate of progress thru Level 2 I'll probably finish it up by Labor Day - that is, if I study every remaining piece (which is debatable). I have the Level 3 book and the pieces look alot more interesting (and not that much more difficult).

In answer to your request for direction to sources of other non-classical, intermediate-level arrangements similar to "Danny Boy" you can probably find many anthologies or collections of such arrangements by searching on amazon.com or on the websites of major music publishers like HalLeonard.com or SheetMusicPlus.com.

Or perhaps better yet, by visiting a local music store that carries a number of such songbooks. That way you could browse thru them at your leisure and get a much better idea of the quality & desirability of the arrangements and make a strategic purchase right on the spot. Even major bookstores like Borders and Barnes & Noble carry a surprising number of such collections.

Another good alternative is the supplementary music collections compiled by the authors of our All-In-One series of methods. There are separate songbooks for Pop Hits, Christmas Songs, and Hymns - each with 2 levels. I can vouch for the hymn collections since I've used both Level 1 (as a supplement to "All", Level 1) and Level 2 (supplementing "All", Level 2). These two are called "Alfred's Basic Adult Sacrad Piano Book". They contain excellent arrangements of the classic, old hymns pretty much equal in style & difficulty in many cases to that of "Danny Boy".

FYI - you don't necessarily have to be exceptionally religious to enjoy playing many of the works in their hymn collections - just from strickly a musical standpoint many of these pieces have very beautiful melodies & harmonies - and like I said the arrangements, being done by the same authors, are very good (especialy in the Level 2 book).

Anyway, good luck in your search, let us know what you find (if you find a really good collection I would really want to know for my own possible aquisition) and keep the music playing!

JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/24/08 10:45 AM

Hi all,

I figured I'd chime again on my progress on Book 2. I've taken a break for almost a month. This past week we've gotten back into it with a piece called "The Riddle". Does anyone have a recording of it? It's giving me some trouble and I won't have a lesson until next week since this week is Spring Break for my teacher.

My thoughts on Book 2 are that there are definitely some "dud" pieces but some very beautiful ones as well. With the "dud" pieces I'll work through without too much complaint since I know I'm suppose to be learning a concept from it. Also, I always have supplemental pieces to work on in addition to the piece assigned from Book 2.

I originally thought we would be going to Book 3 next but my teacher seems to be leaning against it. I believe she wants to start me on standard or "graded" material rather than continuing to use a method book. I guess she believes that I'm ready to drop the method books. Of course we've been using other Alfred's books along such as their Hymns, Solo and now some additional books.

So I have a feeling I won't be contributing to the Book 3 thread, not that I contributed much to this one so far. \:D
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/24/08 11:04 AM

Cyborg - I don't know of any recording of "The Riddle" - as it is arranged in Book 2 - here in any of the quarterly recitals or monthly piano bars. You could check, but somehow I doubt it.

This old folk song was adapted into a pop hit many years ago for the singer Johnny Mathis (and has probably been recorded by others over the years). Not that it would help you much with your playing of this surprisingly lovely piece, but you might want to download his recording for your listening pleasue and to get a general "feel" for it's flavor, tempo, etc.

No promises, but if I get a chance over the next couple of days, I'll try to record it and upload it here in this thread so you can get a rough idea of what the arrangement in Book 2 should sound like - at least my amateurish version of it. I worked thru it several weeks ago & didn't have too much trouble with it (although I did add an extra modified ending onto it just to enhance it a little).

Good luck, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/24/08 11:39 AM

John,

Thanks for the tips on the piece. Some of the old folk pieces I'm just not familiar with. This is one of them. I'll tey get my ears around the Johnny Mathis version.

I would appreciate any recording you can provide for me to use. It doesn't have to be perfect just enough to guide in me in the right direction.

Thanks!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/24/08 01:39 PM

Cyborg - I forgot to be specific enough in my post above - the Johnny Mathis song would be called "The Twelveth of Never" (not "The Riddle") - sorry if I misled you & hope you haven't been searching for the wrong title too hard.

JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/24/08 03:53 PM

Back sooner than I thought - here's a quick recording of "The Riddle" exactly as arranged in Book 2 - the tempo indication at the top of the piece is Moderato, but I played it a little slower than that, with a metronome setting of mm=65 (to the quarter note), which is maybe Andante. I did this (1) so you could follow it a little easier and (2) to minimize my mistakes! The repeat calls for it to be played softer, but I'm not very sure I achieved that precisely (it's too much fun letting the notes ring out!).

Hope the sound quality is good enough - it's a small file. Good luck & have fun.

The Riddle

JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/24/08 10:26 PM

Thanks JF for the pointer to the Sacred Piano Book. I'll check it out at my music store tomorrow. Last week, when I was there, I picked up Alfred's Basic Adult Pop Song Book, level 2, but when I got home, I found the left hand too uninteresting to warrant the effort to play the pieces. I like the Danny Boy arrangement because of the rolling left hand and some of the LH/RH voicings that are used.

JF, "The Twelveth of Never" by Johnny Mathias is another one of those songs that transports me back to my senior year in high school. It seemed it was being played endlessly on the radio. What great times!

Cyborg, let me know if you would like another version of The Riddle. I have my teacher playing it. His version is a good example of getting the LH/RH balance. I don't know how to post it as JF did his, but I could send it to you as an attachment to a PM, I think.
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/25/08 12:28 AM

Hey everyone! Well, time to speak about my progress, or rather, the lack thereof. My teacher and I have not progressed past our last point, Pomp and Circumstance. We've simply been focusing on other things.
So, I have a question. What would you consider the "fine points" of Alfred Book 2? It's becoming clear that my teacher isn't really keen on finishing everything, so I was wondering if you guys, having finished or almost finished the book, have any ideas on which pieces/portions of theory are most valuable to learn. The work on seventh cords? The piece at the end? Help will be much appreciated!
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/25/08 07:38 AM

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Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
How is el Conquistador? I love spanish music, not sure if it's because I am spanish. I don't think I've ever heard it before. [/b]
I love it! Its crazy at 132 on the 'nome but I'm doing it at 112 and building up. When its polished \:\) I'll try to post a recording.
#2 http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/a/item.html?item=4175671&id=79590
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/25/08 10:44 AM

JohnFrank,

Thanks, that did the trick! I was going alot faster than I should be. I really want to have the piece down come my next lesson and this helps tremendously.

Thanks again!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/25/08 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by pianoluvr:
So, I have a question. What would you consider the "fine points" of Alfred Book 2? It's becoming clear that my teacher isn't really keen on finishing everything, so I was wondering if you guys, having finished or almost finished the book, have any ideas on which pieces/portions of theory are most valuable to learn. The work on seventh cords? The piece at the end? Help will be much appreciated! [/b]
pianoluvr - I'm currently working on "La Donna E Mobile" (I think that's pronounced Mo-ba-lay?) and it's a real solid piece, both from the standpoint of it's musical appeal and it's slight technical challenge, and I think you'll benefit by spending some time trying to get it "down".

Other pieces with both musical and instructional value between "Pomp" and "La Donna" that I would recommend are: "Etude, Opus 10, No.3", "Theme from Musetta's Waltz" and "Ballin' the Jack". Maybe "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" also.

Beyond those I would only be guessing - OldFingers makes "Danny Boy" sound real interesting, and I'm personally looking forward to the last piece, the Canon Variations.

I'm sure others will have their recommendations for you.

Good luck and have fun,
JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/25/08 11:03 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Cyborg:
JohnFrank,

Thanks, that did the trick! I was going alot faster than I should be. I really want to have the piece down come my next lesson and this helps tremendously.

Thanks again! [/b]
Cyborg - you're welcome. Glad I could be of service.

I think the tempo designation on the piece of Moderato (moderately) might just be a little too "uptempo", and I think a slightly slower tempo of Andante or Adagio is better suited for bringing out it's lovely melody - but that, of course, is a matter of personal preference.

If you practice it enough at this slower tempo and really get a good hold on it you'll still be able to do well with it if your teacher wants you to play it a little faster at what he/she decides is Moderato.

JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/25/08 09:53 PM

pianoluvr, you ask an interesting question, and as one who earlier in this thread questioned the methodology used in this book, and one who has now become a devoted convert, I feel obliged to try to give you a thoughtful answer.

My short reply to your question is to say that all of the pieces are important as, in one way or another, the techniques introduced all come together in the really interesting pieces in the book. For me, these are the Chopin Etude, Ballin' the Jack, Danny Boy and Canon in D.

When I started the book last November my teacher told me not to kill myself over pieces I didn't like, so I didn't perfect everything, only the parts that I sensed were important. For example, in Pomp and Circumstance, which I disliked immensely, I worked on it enough to get the idea of two-part writing, which was a new experience for me. This lesson carried through Dark Eyes, which I worked very hard to play well because it was tricky and I liked it a lot,and then into the Chopin Etude which I played a million times until I got it right. But the Etude is a thrill to play, particularly after listening to Jo Stafford's version of No Other Love (thanks to JF).

Another example that stands out in my mind is Bourlesq which I found to be excellent preparation for the left hand in the Canon in D. I still have some work to do on the Canon to get the transitions smooth, but the amazing thing is, I can now read all the notes with ease. Before I started this process I played from lead sheets and could read only the melody lines, so to be able to read Danny Boy and the Canon is a huge step forward for me.

Regarding your question about 7th chords, I think these must have been introduced in preparation for Level 3 as I can't see how they come into play. As it happens, I knew all my chords from my lead sheet work, but that didn't seem to help much, except in Danny Boy where a couple of 7th chord voicings were used.

It also needs to be said that I could not have progressed as I did without my teacher. Along the way he taught me how to feel the black keys as the means for knowing where I was on the keyboard. He also pointed out the need to get the LH/RH balance right, which is something I need to work on a lot more, but it's so important to making things sound musical. Of course, he always was there to make me get the timing right particularly with the dotted eighth notes. One other tip he gave me when we started this venture was never look at the keyboard (unless there is a huge jump which the fingers cannot feel) and always try to read with hands together, using hands separate only when a passage is particularly difficult. I am now almost fanatical about not looking at the keyboard as I love to feel where I am through my fingers.

Sadly I don't know what to say to your teacher because she undoubtedly knows what is best for you as mine did for me. Good luck with your future studies. For me, once I finish with Canon, it's on to Level 3.

Bob
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/26/08 07:11 AM

Thanks for the link Therese, I'm going to order it don't you know. he he
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/26/08 08:00 AM

OldFingers (and anyone else interested) - one way to upload a music file into a post in a Forum thread is as follows:

1. Store the file in a folder on your hard drive, as usual;

2. Access a file sharing service such as BOX (www.box.net) that many members here use and set up your own account - smaller file sizes are free;

3. Follow the instructions there to upload your file to the box.net server.

(see the Help - File Sharing topic there for details on setting up your file for sharing - basically just rt. click on your file & choose Share File ...).

4. You will ultimately be assigned a web address where your music file is stored and from which it can be downloaded.

5. Rt. click on this web address in the address area to Copy it.

6. Paste this address into your post here in PW.

Note: to give the full web address a "nickname" here in a post - for example, just simply the title of the piece (as I did above with The Riddle) - use the Full Reply Form button , click on the URL button, which brings up a box where you paste in the full web address, and when you click OK another box pops up where you can type in your nickmane.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/26/08 10:21 AM

JF, thanks for the information. To proceed I need a little more help. The file I want to share was created using Audacity to strip out a section from an H2 recording. I saved it as a .wav file, but it has the Audacity Icon associated with it. If I were to put that file at box.net could anyone play it, or would they have to have the Audacity software. Or is there a way for me to make the file a .wav file without the Audacity Icon?

Bob
Posted by: Sundew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/26/08 10:33 AM

OldF , I haven't a clue myself, never having posted a recording, but maybe this will have the answers for you, created by a PW member for folks uploading for the forum. I bookmarked it ages ago....just in case!
http://www.pianoclues.com/how-to-record-piano/
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/26/08 11:19 AM

OF - no, I don't believe they need Audacity & I don't think the Audacity icon is relevant - what's more important is the file type such as .wav, .wma or best of all .mp3.

If you have an mp3 file I believe you'll get two web addresses at the same time - one for downloading & one for direct streaming (listening without downloading)that will appear in the box here in a post when clicked on.

I can't convert my wma files to mp3 (missing a codec, which I'm working on) so when people click on my link they only get one button in the Box (to download), which opens then in their active player.

But, click on the link above provided nicely by Sundew for more details, especialy the link in there at the bottom about sharing files online.

Beyond this I'm still learning myself & you may be able to give me some tips eventually.

BTW - were you aware that the Theme from Musetta's Waltz was adapted into a hit song called "Don't You Know" for Della Reese way back in the 1970s sometime (I think it was then)? Who knows - it might be available on YouTube!

Thanks Sundew!

JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/26/08 06:53 PM

I have bookmarked the "how-to-record-piano" web page. Thanks Sundew.

Without getting into the "box.net" business, I emailed "The Riddle" to cyborg by attaching the .wav file carved out by Audacity. It was sort of weird in that the attachment looked like a player tool-bar (pause, play, stop), but it did work. It's a bit of a bother not knowing what I am doing with this stuff.

I'll be beyond cyberspace for the next month, but I'll try uploading some files when I return. Maybe I'll have the nerve to let you hear my version of "Danny Boy", my current favourite at the moment.

JF, I have to confess that with the arrival of the Beatles in the early 60's, my interest in "pop" music ceased to exist. That's why I continue to wallow in the old standards. But thanks for the pointer. I'll take a listen to Reese's version when I return.

Bob
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/28/08 02:21 PM

HI again everyone - currently working on La Donna E Mobile in Book 2 - somewhat tough piece to get right - in my 2nd week on it & it's starting to come around. Anybody else work on this & find it a little challenging?

JF
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/28/08 10:06 PM

Thank you OldFingers and JohnFrank! I apologize for not replying sooner. Life has been hectic. \:\) I'm definitely going to suggest the pieces you've referenced to my teacher. I've looked at them briefly and they really do appear to tie together a number fo the important concepts presented before them. Gracias!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/02/08 11:55 AM

pianoluvr - glad to be of service - good luck!

Finishing up "La Donna" - nice piece & a little tough. Anybody else do this?

JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/15/08 08:16 PM

This thread was down on page 3 - am I the only one currently working in Alfred 2? "Earth to Alfred 2 users - come in please". :p

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/15/08 10:26 PM

JF,

I'm still using Book 2 but we've only worked on one piece during the past two months. I was originally hoping to wrap this book up by around June. With my recital at the end of May, etc. I'll be happy if I finish by the end of the summer.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/15/08 10:38 PM

Cyborg - good to hear from you again - are you still working on "The Riddle" or have you moved on to something else?

I'm wading thru the book piece by piece (whether I like them much or not) and I'm currently on "Black is the Color of my True Love's Hair" (I think the title is longer than the song!) Then I think there's only 10 more pieces to go until I'm done with 2 - then onto 3.

Since I self-teach I'm wondering if I should sign the Achievment Certificate at the end of book 2 myself! ;\)

Regard,

JF
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/16/08 11:44 AM

I had thought I would be joining you Book Two folks by June, but now I am not so sure. These pieces at the end of book one are taking longer than I thought.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/16/08 01:05 PM

AWTPP - that's ok - no one is in a big hurry - which pieces are you working on specifically at the end of book 1?

Regards, JF
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/16/08 01:49 PM

Rounding out Little Brown Jug (I've played it twice so far at tempo with no errors... twice out of maybe hundreds of attempts) and just starting Chiapanecas.
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/16/08 10:11 PM

JF,

Yep, I finished "The Riddle" and enjoyed the piece very much. It's the only piece we've worked on over the past two months from Book 2. I've been working on additional material and my two recital pieces and I imagine it will continue that way for about another month. Regardless, I can't wait to get back to working on Book 2 pieces and finish the book.

FWIW, I'd sign that certificate myself!
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/17/08 09:38 AM

I'm in Book #2; currently working on Intro And Dance and Streets of Laredo
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/17/08 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by Undone:
I'm in Book #2; currently working on Intro And Dance and Streets of Laredo [/b]
Undone - as the book says the "Intro and Dance" piece was adapted into a big pop hit called "Those Were the Days" way back in the 1960s for singer Mary Hopkin (it might have been her only hit) - I think the book's arrangement is really excellent - I recorded an enhanced version of it which I might upload to the upcoming recital or the next monthly piano bar.

See the video of Mary's big hit here on YouTube .

Regards,

JF
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/18/08 12:03 PM

Thanks JF. Yes, I know the song "Those Were the Days" quite well. As soon as I started playing the first few bars of this piece for the first time I thought "Hey, I know this one, but not by that name".
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/18/08 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by JohnFrank:
This thread was down on page 3 - am I the only one currently working in Alfred 2? "Earth to Alfred 2 users - come in please". :p

Regards, JF [/b]
I'm still here and in Book 2..I just haven't been posting very often (actually, I haven't even been to the board as much as I'd like) I'm getting near the end of book 2 and my teacher hasn't said whether we're doing book 3 or not, yet. She has me learning Sonatina Op 36, No.1 by M. Clementi as well as Loch Lomand from Alfred. I just finished Deep River, although I still have some issues with the arpeggiated chords. I thought I had that down a few months ago, but apparently not. I guess I'll keep working at it on my own as she has said we're moving on...She's also hitting theory a lot harder now.
Glad to see this thread make it back to page one.

Char
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/19/08 04:43 AM

Char - really glad to know you're still with us - how do you like the Loch Lomand arrangement in Alfred? I was looking forward a little to that piece (and Danny Boy too).

Also, the Clementi piece - I've read other posts refering to his works - are they a bit more challenging than most of the pieces in Alfred - is it from a collection of his works that I could ckeck out at Amazon?

Regards, JF
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/19/08 08:00 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mamawatchman:
 Quote:
Originally posted by JohnFrank:
This thread was down on page 3 - am I the only one currently working in Alfred 2? "Earth to Alfred 2 users - come in please". :p

Regards, JF [/b]
I'm still here and in Book 2..I just haven't been posting very often (actually, I haven't even been to the board as much as I'd like) I'm getting near the end of book 2 and my teacher hasn't said whether we're doing book 3 or not, yet. She has me learning Sonatina Op 36, No.1 by M. Clementi as well as Loch Lomand from Alfred. I just finished Deep River, although I still have some issues with the arpeggiated chords. I thought I had that down a few months ago, but apparently not. I guess I'll keep working at it on my own as she has said we're moving on...She's also hitting theory a lot harder now.
Glad to see this thread make it back to page one.

Char [/b]
Your going to like Clementi Prelude in D minor that's in book 3....
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/20/08 08:47 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by JohnFrank:
Finishing up "La Donna" - nice piece & a little tough. Anybody else do this?
JF [/b]
I haven't been posting much, been a practicing fool \:\) with all the pieces and my recital pieces. I have to exercise much abstinence from PW \:\)

My teach is being a perfectionist on this one :rolleyes: stucato with legato she says. I will be on it forever. Im done with Frankie & J, Black ITCOMTLH and starting WJCMH and the Sym 6.
She is not letting it go by any means
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/20/08 04:02 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IamElise:

My teach is being a perfectionist on this one :rolleyes: stucato with legato she says. I will be on it forever. Im done with Frankie & J, Black ITCOMTLH and starting WJCMH and the Sym 6.
She is not letting it go by any means [/b]
Hi IamElise - Finished La Donna, for now (some slightly tricky RH jumps in 2nd half) - will review it later - also pretty much breezed thru Black and F&J - will start WJCMH tomorrow - also have been reviewing both Hava Nagila & Olympic Procession trying to polish them off (fun pieces both) - hoping to finish up Book 2 sometime this summer.

I know what you mean about how tempting it is to check out PW & have been cutting corners on practice time lately a little because of it - this must cease! (immediately after this session).

Regards, JF
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/21/08 08:08 AM

I'm still in book 2 and it's my choice more than the teachers. She doesn't like to go strictly by method books especially these modern ones.

She is also a perfectionist which has it's pros and cons. You tend to stay on pieces forever and when you think they're good to go she'll have you do it faster or add pedals, or do this that or the other to it.

The con is you don't go through method books quickly the pro is you become a better pianist in a shorter period of time.

I started swinging sevenths yesterday and it's all done!!! I practiced it for 15 minutes yesterday and it's down. Today I'll do another 15 to polish it nice and squeeky, make sure I have the count and rythym down. Counting is my big fopa, it's not that I don't know how to do it, I'm just lazy and won't. \:D

She started me on 4 new pieces this week in addition to the 4 I'm finishing up. I had her under control for a month but last class she went nuts on me again and loaded me down. \:\(
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/21/08 09:54 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
I'm still in book 2 and it's my choice more than the teachers. She doesn't like to go strictly by method books especially these modern ones.

She is also a perfectionist which has it's pros and cons. You tend to stay on pieces forever and when you think they're good to go she'll have you do it faster or add pedals, or do this that or the other to it.

The con is you don't go through method books quickly the pro is you become a better pianist in a shorter period of time.

I started swinging sevenths yesterday and it's all done!!! I practiced it for 15 minutes yesterday and it's down. Today I'll do another 15 to polish it nice and squeeky, make sure I have the count and rythym down. Counting is my big fopa, it's not that I don't know how to do it, I'm just lazy and won't. \:D

She started me on 4 new pieces this week in addition to the 4 I'm finishing up. I had her under control for a month but last class she went nuts on me again and loaded me down. \:\( [/b]
I really like swinging sevenths.

Sounds like you are doing great. Any chance you doing something for the recital? Love to hear one of your side pieces...

Mark...
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/21/08 11:18 AM

Hey Mark,

I still have the red dot syndrome although I don't have issues playing for people.

I haven't even recorded myself in ages, we'll see, I hope someday to beat that wall down.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/21/08 11:36 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
Hey Mark,

I still have the red dot syndrome although I don't have issues playing for people.

I haven't even recorded myself in ages, we'll see, I hope someday to beat that wall down. [/b]
I have the red dot problem too...but after a few million takes it generally comes out half way good... \:\)
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/21/08 01:36 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by JohnFrank:
Char - really glad to know you're still with us - how do you like the Loch Lomand arrangement in Alfred? I was looking forward a little to that piece (and Danny Boy too).

Also, the Clementi piece - I've read other posts refering to his works - are they a bit more challenging than most of the pieces in Alfred - is it from a collection of his works that I could ckeck out at Amazon?

Regards, JF [/b]
The Clementi is a bit more difficult than the Alfred's....I kind of think of it as a "real piece" whereas I think of the Alfred's pieces as lessons. lol. I don't think it is a simplified version, but it really isn't all that difficult. It has three movements and I'm polishing up the first movement and will probably start the second movement at this week's lesson. The music I am using is from a very old book that my teacher had, so I'm not sure what would be available.

As for Loch Lomand, I do like it. It is a little different in a couple of spots from what I remember as a kid.

Char \:\)
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/21/08 01:41 PM

Char "Your going to like Clementi Prelude in D minor that's in book 3...."

I'll have to check that one out.....

Char
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/21/08 02:29 PM

hey mmw, I was assigned Clementi Opus 36. No. 1,2,3 and No.6 this past thursday. What a coinkeedinky. I'm going to look at book 3 as well as if I didn't have enough. \:D
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/21/08 05:00 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
hey mmw, I was assigned Clementi Opus 36. No. 1,2,3 and No.6 this past thursday. What a coinkeedinky. I'm going to look at book 3 as well as if I didn't have enough. \:D [/b]
Sounds like you are moving a lot faster than I am. I've been working on the first movement for a couple of weeks.(of course it didn't help that my copy was poor and I was trying to do the fingering wrong in one part- I couldn't figure our why I needed to twist my hand all around, lol- she DID tell me that it was very important to follow the fingering.....I was trying \:D )

Char
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/22/08 01:50 PM

Lol Char. If you need a better copy, pm me and I'll send you the pdf, I have a membership with sheetmusic archive and it has all 6 sonatinas.
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/22/08 02:43 PM

Thanks Oxford Girl, I think I will be ok with the rest of it. It did give us a good laugh at last week's lesson, tho. \:\)
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/23/08 12:28 PM

Just to let everyone know, I have added some book two pieces. More will be added as well in the near future thanks to our own JohnFrank recording stuff. So if you need to hear a piece don't forget the opening post...

And a big thanks to JohnFrank and everyone involved in the Alfred threads..

Mark...
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/23/08 12:35 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
hey mmw, I was assigned Clementi Opus 36. No. 1,2,3 and No.6 this past thursday. What a coinkeedinky. I'm going to look at book 3 as well as if I didn't have enough. \:D [/b]
OG, I forget. Do you have suzuki? 1 and 5 (if my memory serves me right) are in book 3. Eh..emm... for a pro like you - they will be a breeze. \:\) Took me a couple weeks to get em down.
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/23/08 12:37 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
She is also a perfectionist which has it's pros and cons. You tend to stay on pieces forever and when you think they're good to go she'll have you do it faster or add pedals, or do this that or the other to it.[/b]
em.. I think we have tha same teacher.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/23/08 12:37 PM

Therese, not suzuki but Helen Curtis. My teacher swears on Helen and in addition assigns other stuff. I'm no pro he he, I suck, I just have a teacher who won't give up and is a slave driver. \:D
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/23/08 12:41 PM

argg.. couldnt get the quotes right.

anyways... you know my teach does not use the all-in-one. I am going to try those pieces on my own. I think OG commented once that esp. the HN was fun.
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/23/08 12:43 PM

HEY!! you \:\)

you suck huh, girl we are our own *worst* critics, you should hear me \:\) next time I'm in Sanibel/Captiva, I'll hav ta swing by \:\)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/23/08 03:06 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
Just to let everyone know, I have added some book two pieces. More will be added as well in the near future thanks to our own JohnFrank recording stuff. So if you need to hear a piece don't forget the opening post...

And a big thanks to JohnFrank and everyone involved in the Alfred threads..

Mark... [/b]
Mark - thank YOU for the offer and opportunity - I hope they are somewhat helpful and/or entertaining - the "red light syndrome" gets a little less severe with each recording \:\)

Regards, JF
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/23/08 05:00 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by JohnFrank:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
Just to let everyone know, I have added some book two pieces. More will be added as well in the near future thanks to our own JohnFrank recording stuff. So if you need to hear a piece don't forget the opening post...

And a big thanks to JohnFrank and everyone involved in the Alfred threads..

Mark... [/b]
Mark - thank YOU for the offer and opportunity - I hope they are somewhat helpful and/or entertaining - the "red light syndrome" gets a little less severe with each recording \:\)

Regards, JF [/b]
I really enjoyed your Black Forest Polka. Its at the bottom of the first post in this thread if anyone wants to hear it.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/24/08 08:03 PM

Now working on "When Johnny Came Marching Home" in Book 2 (and reviewing "Pomp and Circumstance".

Would like one day to combine "Johnny" with "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and "America the Beautiful" into one great All-Americam medley (maybe I'll throw in "Stars and Stripes Forver" too!).

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/27/08 12:05 PM

I'm back to Book 2 at least for this week. I'm working on "Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen". It's good to be back in Book 2 and hopefully on my way to finishing it up.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/27/08 02:06 PM

Cyborg - welcome back to Book 2 - "Nobody . . ." isn't too difficult. The next piece after that, "La Donna . . .", is a little more challenging, but doable,

FYI - I've recorded and uploaded some of the earlier pieces from Book 2 to the Original Post back on pg. 1.

Finishing up "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" today & moving on ... \:\)

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/02/08 08:09 AM

Finished "Johnny . . ." - now working on "Waltz in G Minor" - nice piece (like so many in Book 2) - recorded Johnny to OP (pg.1).

Regards, JF
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/02/08 03:23 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by JohnFrank:
Finished "Johnny . . ." - now working on "Waltz in G Minor" - nice piece (like so many in Book 2) - recorded Johnny to OP (pg.1).

Regards, JF [/b]
You are a machine JohnFrank... \:\)

You are flying through book two...

Congrats!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/02/08 05:26 PM

Yea, Mark, like I said - a rusty old machine needing lots of oil changes! And not flying - just cruising steady - right now I'm also reviewing "Pomp and Circumstance" from earlier in Book 2, but for some reason I find this piece a little difficult (harder than it looks), but I will get it and then record it for the "cause" - where are you in Book 3 & what are you working on?

Regards, JF
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/03/08 05:26 PM

I just got a huge hint from my dog...

He ate the cover off book 2... \:\)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/04/08 09:49 AM

You have to admit he has "good taste" in piano method books ;\)

How are things going in Book 3 Mark?

Regards, JF
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/04/08 02:22 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by JohnFrank:
You have to admit he has "good taste" in piano method books ;\)

How are things going in Book 3 Mark?

Regards, JF [/b]
Book three is very enjoyable. Its a work in progress doing two full pages each week.

Mark...
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/05/08 07:34 AM

 Quote:
He ate the cover off book 2...
hahahaha, I have a semi torn page with muddy footprints on mine.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/05/08 08:08 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
 Quote:
He ate the cover off book 2...
hahahaha, I have a semi torn page with muddy footprints on mine. [/b]
I guess they had enough of book 2...lol
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/05/08 01:32 PM

The covers from Books 2 and 3 that I have were torn off by my sister, when they were hers. Does that count for something?
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/06/08 04:59 AM

Cyborg - what are you working on now in 2? JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/06/08 08:16 AM

JF,

I'm currently working on "La Donna E Mobile" from "Rigoletto".

It may take several weeks to get it down since it's the lowest priority of the four pieces I'm currently working on.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/07/08 07:24 AM

Cyborg - you'll like La Donna - 2nd section is a little more difficult, but manageable.

I'm still working on the Waltz in G minor - really nice piece but the 2nd section of this is just a little tricky because it's played largely on the black keys in both hands.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Michael Dugan

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/08/08 06:48 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by JohnFrank:
right now I'm also reviewing "Pomp and Circumstance" from earlier in Book 2, but for some reason I find this piece a little difficult (harder than it looks), [/b]
John,

I'm glad to hear that someone else besides me had trouble with that one. At first glance it looked pretty easy, but it tool a while to get it down.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/08/08 07:58 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Michael Dugan:
John,
I'm glad to hear that someone else besides me had trouble with that one. At first glance it looked pretty easy, but it tool a while to get it down. [/b]
Yes - I have several pieces in Book 2 marked "Easier than it looks" and several other pieces marked "Harder than it looks" - Pomp is one of the latter group, except I put an exclamation mark behind it!

There is something about the arrangement - I think it's the changing hand positions in combination with several moderately difficult fingerings in both hands - that makes it more challenging than at 1st glance you would think it would be.

I'm playing it better now on my 2nd attempt, but still don't have it to the point where I would record it as a "keeper" - I've given myself to the end of the weekend to master it.

Were there any other Book 2 pieces that gave you more problems than you at first thought they would?

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/13/08 12:47 PM

Finished studying Waltz in G Minor - now working on Theme from Symphony No. 6 & reviewing Dark Eyes. JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/16/08 11:11 AM

I'm still on "Rigoletto". It's been neglected during practice because I'm concentrating on my formal recital pieces for next week. I really need to have it down by next Thursday's lesson. Otherwise, I'll get stuck with it another two weeks, since we don't have lessons the week after recitals. Then it's on to "Frankie and Johnny".
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/16/08 12:28 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Cyborg:
I'm still on "Rigoletto". It's been neglected during practice because I'm concentrating on my formal recital pieces for next week. I really need to have it down by next Thursday's lesson. Otherwise, I'll get stuck with it another two weeks, since we don't have lessons the week after recitals. Then it's on to "Frankie and Johnny". [/b]
Rigoletto is one tough piece. And I really like Frankie and Johnnie. Good luck...
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/17/08 08:47 PM

Cyborg - what Mark said. They're both good pieces in their own way. Have Fun. The Theme from the 6th Symphony (Tchaikovsky) I'm currently working on has a very pretty melody, which was used for a pop hit years ago, but I can't remember what it was called.

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/20/08 02:18 PM

Just put the finishing touches on the "Theme from the 6th Symphony" - started "Fascination" today - seems fairly straight-forward and not too difficult - only 6 more pieces to go in Book 2 - will be reviewing the Theme from Chopin's Etude, Op.10, No.3 also, which was a pretty difficult, but beautiful, piece initially - will try to memorize it this time and get it recorded decently.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/20/08 04:14 PM

I think I'm going to get stuck with "Rigoletto" for another two weeks. I don't think I'm going to have it down by Thursday, although it is getting better. If I'm lucky my teacher will assign me "Frankie and Johnny" along with "Memory" from "Cats" that I'm going to be working on from the Alfred's Solo Book.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/21/08 12:59 PM

Cyborg - You'll like Frankie & Johnnie - it's a fun song - the 2nd part of La Donna ("Rigoletto") is a little tricky but manageable with some extra work.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/24/08 08:49 PM

Hi JF,

I wrapped up one piece of music that I was assigned and I'm finally finished with my spring recital.

I'm still working on La Donna again and will be for two weeks. Ironically, after today I almost have it down. I seem to be getting the second part down faster than the first. If I get it down well in the next week I'll start on "Frankie and Johnny".

Also, my teacher assigned me "Memory" from Cats and another piece from another book I'm working through. It's amzing how much I was able to accomplish today without needing to work on two additional recital pieces.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/26/08 07:30 AM

Cyborg - It sounds like you're real glad that recital is behing you. \:\) Glad I don't have to go thru that!

Are you planning on doing any recordings for the next recital or one of the upcoming monthly piano bars?

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/27/08 01:54 PM

JF,

Yea, I must of put a lot of subconscious pressure on myself for my formal recital. I think it was negatively affecting everything pertaining to the piano. Of course you read in my other thread on how that all turned out.

I'm definitely planning on participating in the quarterly ABF recitals from here on out. I plan on purchasing a camcorder this week that has good video and audio capabilities. I'm hoping this will help me archive my work and progress. I don't know if I will participate in the monthly piano bars since I'm not for sure what all of that consists of. I'll go look at the threads and see.

"La Donna" is in fairly good shape now. I would have it ready for this week's lesson if I had one. So it will have to wait for two weeks. I'm debating on whether to tackle "Frankie and Johnny" on my own or to spend the extra time on my other assigned pieces.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 05/29/08 01:04 PM

The monthly piano bars are a good way to get experience recording pieces and getting polite, helpful feedback from other Forum members - it's a lot less formally structured than the recitals, so I hope you decide to submit some of your recorded study pieces.

I'm currently working on Fascination and reviewing the Etude, Op. 10.

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/03/08 07:47 AM

Finished Fascination - starting on Deep River (4 more to go after this)- also still reviewing the Etude & hoping to get a good recording of it for the next recital maybe?

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/03/08 11:09 AM

I should be finished with "La Donna" this week for sure. I decided not to pursue "Frankie and Johnny" on my own since I had two additonal pieces assigned to me from other books. Either way, it's nice to finish a piece up and move on.

I've been working on "Memory" from the solo book for the past two weeks. Shockingly, it sounds decent with the short amount of time I've been working on it. I remember about this time last year my teacher gave me this book to start working through and it would take 2-3 months to make it through one piece. When I think about this it makes me realize and appreciate the hours of work that I've put into this piano thing has really paid off.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/09/08 12:00 PM

In addition to bumping this thread back onto the first page, I wanted to let you know that I’m still progressing through Book 2. I’m currently working on “The Hokey-Pokey” and “Night Song”.

I was away on vacation for a week and this was the first time I’d missed even a day of practice since I began. I was worried about how much this week away was going to set me back. As things turned out, it actually seemed to help me more then it hurt me! Not only was I able to pick right up where I left off, but I found I was actually doing better on one piece.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/10/08 07:46 AM

Undone - Glad to hear you're still with us marching thru Book 2 \:\)

I had the same worry when I first went on vacation after starting to learn piano and even took a small portable keyboard along on several trips. But that got to be a pain so I thought I'd try a vacation without playing, and it worked out pretty much as you say your experience was - it only took me one practice session to get back up to speed and the time away refreshed my desire to get back into it ASAP!

Currently starting on "Loch Lomond", finishing up "Deep River" and still reviewing the Chopin Etude 10.3.

Cyborg - "Memory" has such a beautiful melody - hope to hear a recording of it by you someday soon!

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/14/08 12:42 PM

JF,

I finished "Memory" this week. It took me only three weeks (record for me in this book) to get it to a point where my teacher said it was good enough so let's move on. It's not super polished but I might work on it some more and try to get it recorded. I really enjoyed working on this piece.

This week I was given "Nadia's Theme" to work on from the same book. After working a little with it last night I think it will take two to three weeks to get it down. Then it's only "Cruella de Ville" and I'm done with the Solo book!!! The next book in the Alfred Solo series doesn't look to be as good but we'll see.

Also, I was assigned "Frankie and Johnny" this week after having a week off from Book 2. I hope to have this one down by my lesson next week.

I'm also working on another piece from a more advanced book that is keeping my busy to say the least.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/16/08 02:17 PM

Cyborg - Frankie and Johnnie is a fun song to do - it's an old folk song that goes way back. here's two versions, one instrumental and one vocal in case you never heard it before, just to get an idea of how it should sound:


Frankie and Johnnie - hot piano


Frankie & Johnnie - Elvis


Just finished "Loch Lomond" in Book 2 - 4 more to go.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 06/20/08 12:26 PM

JF - Thanks for the links!

I finished up Frankie and Johnnie this week. A fun piece indeed, so it's too bad I got it down so quickly. My teacher went ahead and assigned to me, "Black is the Color of my True Love's Hair". I could half-way sight read the piece at 1/2 of its intended tempo. I'm slowly getting better at sight reading.

I think I can have this piece in great shape by my next lesson, along with "Nadia's Theme". I can see the end of the book is approaching.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/01/08 04:54 PM

Finishing up "Love's Greeting" (Salut Damore) this week - only 3 pieces remaining to "conquer" in Book 2 - still reviewing from about the halfway point.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/02/08 08:45 AM

I’ve been bogged down for awhile with Hava Nagila and Olympic Procession. I’m close to done with Hava, but the left hand jumps in Olympic are still pretty rough.

Undone
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/02/08 09:19 AM

JF, good job!

I know I'll be glad to be out of this book. I'm rather sick of looking at it. I'm aiming to finish up around Labor Day at my current rate. This is assuming my teacher doesn't decide to take me in another direction for a couple of weeks here and there.

It's going to be lonely in this thread once a few of us finish up.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/02/08 12:10 PM

Undone - I had a great time with Hava Nagila - really enjoyed working on that - a real fun piece - I have a fairly good recording of it I may submit to a future recital (although I think I can improve it somewhat until then).

Olympic Procession was a bit tough for me too - I posted a recording of it back on page 1 in the Original Post.

Keep up the good work - nice to know you're still with us here!

Cyborg - thanks and the same to you. Funny, but I'm shoting for a Labor Day finish for Book 2 also - although I'll still spend some time after that reviewing select pieces before heading into Book 3.

You're right about this becoming a lonely thread - unless some of the rather nice group currently working thru Book 1 move over together, which it looks like they will. They seem to be a close-knit, suppotive bunch.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/03/08 08:33 PM

I finished up "Black is the Color of my True Love's Hair" this week. Now it's onto "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" along with other things this week!
Posted by: bperry

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/07/08 06:24 PM

Hello book 2ers. I've been playing almost a year now and I'm a month or two into book 2.

I'm now starting the Mexican Hat dance. I have trouble with anything that requires my fingers be between black keys. Maybe I have fat fingers, but its hard for me.

I previously use to move on and practice only my new material, and I've now realized I've forgotten everything from book 1. I'm relearning Amazing grace and the Entertainer.

And btw, I enjoyed the JoAnn Castle video on youtube. I moved on from there to her playing the Beverley Hillbillies theme.

Looks like I'll be the only one left in book 2 soon.
Posted by: Muzak

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/07/08 07:06 PM

Hi all, I'm still a book 1er but was hoping to get into 2 while this thread was still going strong, but that looks like that may not happen. I'm still in book one, starting on O Sole Mio so I still probably have another month or 6 weeks in book one.

Are all you book 2 soon-to-be graduates planning on moving straight to book 3? How does/did your experience in book 2 compare to #1?

Ok back to the piano, see if I can't get O Sole Mio going shortly...

Zak
Posted by: crusadar

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/08/08 02:33 AM

I've just started Book 2, I romped through the first pieces...easy peasy, but I'm on Overture (page 13) now, it looks easy on first glance but then I noticed the staccato dots, trying to play staccato in one hand and legato in the other needs practice, I think I will be on that page for some time.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/08/08 08:22 AM

Hi bperry & crusader, welcome to book 2! And hello to Muzak, looking forward to having you join us on this thread. I don’t think you have to worry about being alone in book 2 land; only three of us have been posting for a while now, and here we already have three new comers (not to mention the fact that I have a long way to go before I’ll see the end of book 2).

So far I have found book 2 to be quite a bit more challenging the book 1 was (I guess this is to be expected). You’ll get a couple of pieces that are relatively easy, then some that will take you much longer to perfect, then another easy one or two thrown in, and on it goes. In some cases, the “easier” ones are introducing techniques that you will need for the harder piece just around the corner.

Anyway, great to have all of you here; I was afraid I was going to be left all by myself before long.

Undone
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/08/08 09:50 AM

I'm glad to see some new Book 2 posters. I was concerned about Undone being here all by him/herself.

BPERRY,

I have big hands and have some trouble fitting them in between the black keys too. I'll say that it will get easier because you acquire the knowledge/skill/memory that you know how your hand/fingers need to be positioned to fit. I still have a ways to go in that department but it isn't as bad as when I started Book 2.

MUZAK,

I didn't use Alfred's Book 1 with my first teacher, so I can't comment on it. I've gathered from my teacher that we will move immediately into Book 3. She said we will probably skip through some of the pieces.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/08/08 08:52 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Muzak:

Are all you book 2 soon-to-be graduates planning on moving straight to book 3? How does/did your experience in book 2 compare to #1?

Zak [/b]
Zak - I'll definitely be going into Book 3, and I'm really excited and anxious to get into it, but I'm going to delay it slightly while I finish my review of select pieces in Book 2 (just to polish them off to my satisfaction).

Book 2 continues the Book 1 pattern of gradual technical progression combined nicely with music across a fairly wide spectrum of the musical genres (a big positive aspect of the Alfred Adult series). And while the pieces in 2 become more difficult they also become much more interesting and enjoyable, musically speaking. In other words, if you liked 1 you should really like 2 even more.

Welcome to all the new people here in 2 - and remember that even when we move on to 3 some of us will still monitor the 2 thread to offer encouragement or answwer any questions we can.

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/14/08 12:47 PM

Finishing up the Mozart Aria piece - will start on Danny Boy very soon (next to last piece in Book 2) - it looks like a real cool arrangement.

As a self-teacher I can't wait to sign my own Certificate of Achievement for Book 2 (just as i did for Book 1! \:D (think I'll start a new thread just to announce that! :p

Regards, JF
Posted by: Muzak

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/14/08 06:34 PM

JF, that's awesome you're so close to the end! Do you have a copy of Book 3 ready to go yet?

I'm pumped, I just ordered my Book 2 about 10 minutes ago! I still have a little left in Book 1 but want to be ready when it's time for the upgrade. I had everything I've been working on down pretty well, so I started Greensleeves last night, and Scarborough Fair today. I can play them both through pretty decently, and it shouldn't take me too much time to get them polished...so I started looking ahead and realized I'm running out of songs! I'm planning on going back through and reviewing book 1 but #2's coming quicker than I thought.

Soo....hopefully I'll officially be in this thread in a week or two!

Zak
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/14/08 08:51 PM

Zak - yes, I've had Book 3 hiding behind 2 for months - just had to get it to see what was in it - won't get to it probably until Oct. or Nov, even though I'll finish 2 before Labor Day - want to spend a month or two reviewing Book 2 in depth - I'm a patient man, want to build a solid foundation, and am "making haste slowly" as the old saying goes.

Looks like you've moved pretty quickly and very well thru Book 1 - you'll like 2 alot better - some excellent pieces - keep up the good work!

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/15/08 10:16 AM

I performed my best of "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" last week for my teacher. Some weeks are like that, where I perform better for my teacher than my practice sessions.

I believe I'm going to miss my lesson this week. Therefore, I'll be working on "Theme from Symphony No. 6" this week and next week.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/15/08 09:30 PM

Cyborg - just like Johnny you're marching right thru Book 2 at an impressive rate - I had alot of fun with "Johnny" and the "Theme" is a pretty piece and not too difficult.

Have you recorded anything here on any of the forums?

regards, JF
Posted by: crusadar

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/19/08 12:54 AM

I'm just just getting to grips with "Overture" on page 13, it's actually easier than I first thought, the staccato notes seem to suit the piece. My Book 3 arrived, I took a peek inside and closed it quickly.
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/19/08 03:41 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by crusader:
My Book 3 arrived, I took a peek inside and closed it quickly. [/b]
:D
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/22/08 10:36 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Cyborg - just like Johnny you're marching right thru Book 2 at an impressive rate - I had alot of fun with "Johnny" and the "Theme" is a pretty piece and not too difficult.

Have you recorded anything here on any of the forums?

regards, JF [/b]
Hi John,

I had to skip my lesson last week since I went out of town to visit my sister. It didn't matter as the "Theme from Symphony No. 6" wasn't anywhere near ready.

I haven't recorded anything yet. I'm going to try and have something for the August recital. I'm in the middle of some home remodeling, family visits, etc. so I don't know if I will have time to record. I was originally going to do "Memory" from "Cats" but I haven't worked on it in so long that I don't think it will work out. I think I'll end up picking something I'm working on currently.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/22/08 12:09 PM

Cyborg - whatever you pick to record for the August recital I'm anxiously awaiting to hear it - I'll be doing a piece from Book 2 for the recital, the Etude, Op.10 - it was a real challenge mastering that one & then getting it recorded!

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/24/08 08:53 PM

JF,

I think I might try and dig "Memory" back out for the August ABF. Possibly, I might go for something out of Book 2 myself. I really need to get going on this.

I finished up "Theme from Symphony No. 6" this week and my teacher has moved me onto "Fascination". I already like this piece too. I was anxiously wanting to get out of this book but I've really been enjoying the pieces as of late.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/25/08 07:48 AM

Cyborg - would love to hear "Memory" - beautiful melody - but anything from Book 2 would be nice - yes, there are a number of good pieces throughout Book 2, but especially near the end - from the discussion in the Book 3 thread there looks like a good assortment of pieces in there too - will get to that sometime this fall after completeing Book 2 review.

Currently working on "Danny Boy" - an excellent arrangement - 2nd section just a little challenging because of triple right hand melody notes at several places - but you will like this piece alot!

Regards, JF
Posted by: Michael Dugan

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/25/08 09:20 AM

I’ve been away from this forum for a while and figured I’d chime in so you guys don’t get too lonely! \:\)

Cyborg, you and I are right around the same place in book 2. I just finished “When Johnny comes Marching Home” and “Dark is the color of my true loves hair”. My teacher blithely assigned them BOTH at the same time saying “They don’t look too hard”, at which point I thought to myself “What are you, nuts?”. But somehow I was actually able to learn them in a weeks time.

Looking back at when I started, a year and a half ago, I was completely befuddled just trying to get down “Mary had a little lamb”. If nothing else, I’ve proven to myself that if I keep practicing, I’ll be able to handle pieces in the future that seem impossible now. Now THAT’S a motivator!

JF, I agree completely with Etude, Op.10 being a beautiful piece. In fact, while many of the pieces in book two are really nice, to me it is the only one that is “memorize worthy” (at least so far). BTW, John, next time you rotate in another quote from Ben Franklin, consider this gem: “Keep your eyes wide open before marriage, half shut afterwards.” \:D
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/25/08 05:12 PM

Hey Michael - welcome back! Thanks for checking in here. Nice to have a new "face".

Wow, you're making great progress, clopsing in on the end section of Book 2 after only a year and a half! That's "flying low" - it took me the better part of 3 years to get there. It looks like you'll be smokin' by us soon and that you'll be able to handle just about anything you tackle in the futute.

Yes, the Etude is a gorgeous piece (even if it just the Theme and a small part of the real deal). There are several other pieces worth memorizing in Book 2, among them Hava Nagila, which I have a rough recording of and which I might submit to a future monthly Piano Bar.

Hope you keep checking in with us and give us progress reports (and maybe some recordings to listen to) \:\)

Regards, JF

P.S. Like the Ben Franklin quote! May rotate it in. Thanks.
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/26/08 09:59 PM

Michael - I've been at this piano thing for about 20 months now. When I started the piano I couldn't have told you where middle c was on the piano. Look at all of us now.

JF - I'm really thinking hard about "Memory" or possibly "Nadia's Theme". I think I can get those pieces back into decent shape in a reasonable amount of time.

Is the ABF recital on August 15? When would be the latest I could submit the piece? The reason I'm asking is because it will be about another week until I could even start working on the piece again and then probably another week of practing to get it down enough (not perfect) to attempt recording it. That would put the time about August 8th. Looking back I should've recorded my formal recital pieces back in late May. Lesson learned!

Also, I wouldn't think twice about the time it's taken to get where you are. You are keeping at it and seem to be having fun too. That's some of the most important aspects of our piano journey IMHO.

I think there are six pieces left in Book 2, including "Fascination". Not that it's a big deal but I don't think my Labor Day goal of finishing Book 2 will happen. I looked at "Canon" and a couple of other pieces and it I think it will take more than a week to get them down to my teacher's satisfaction. This would be assuming that I have a new piece assigned to me immediately after finishing up another piece.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/27/08 12:58 PM

Cyborg - see

August Recital Details

for basic info on the deadlines, etc. for this Recital.

Submitting a song to the Recital is a really easy, streamlined proceure - just follow the instructions on the form they provide in the thread that announces the recital, which will be - as stated - available starting Aug. 1st and ending Aug. 14th - the actual Recital will then be available for listening/commenting on Aug. 15th.

No, I'm really not concerned at all about the time it has taken me to get to this point in Alfred - I've deliberately set a moderate pace for myself (including continuous review) just to make sure I have a very firm foundation to build on - and it has worked very well for me - I'm very pleased with my progress and am really having a very enjoyable time trying to gain some degree of mastery over this complex and beautiful instrument - I get the distinct impression that you feel pretty much the same way!

I think I'll make the Labor Day goal for finishing Book 2 - but just for the new pieces, since I'm currently working on "Danny Boy" (a truely lovely arrangement of a beautiful old Irish folk song) and have only the "Canon" to go after that. But I'll probably spend about 6-8 weeks reviewing select pieces on Book 2 before even starting Book 3.

On the other hand you probably shouldn't worry too much about not meeting that Labor Day goal -I consider any time-frame goals as only approximate and of secondary importance to the key factor, which is mastering the new techniques and pieces containing them - no matter how long it takes.

Keep up the hard , consistent, dedicated work - it will pay off in the long run - no matter how long that run is! \:\)

Regards, JF
Posted by: Michael Dugan

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/30/08 11:55 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Cyborg:

JF - I'm really thinking hard about "Memory" or possibly "Nadia's Theme". [/b]
Hey cyborg,

These sound like pieces I'd like to learn. What book can they be found in?
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/31/08 09:51 PM

Michael - Those pieces along with others are from the Alfred's Top Hits Solo series of books. Here's a link to this book and it lists the pieces.

http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?cart=73121494714&lc=recs:detail&item=3687275
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 07/31/08 09:55 PM

JF - I'm going to try and start his weekend and start working on attempting to get one those pieces recital ready. It's still going to be tough due to family visiting and getting the house back in order after installing new flooring. I'm determined to get something ready even if I have to wait till the last minute to submit the piece.

This past week was a disaster for practicing. I have to work on exactly the same pieces as the week before.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/01/08 09:50 PM

Cyborg - Good luck with that - something tells me we'll be hearing from you in the Recital - just remember the deadline: 9pm on Aug.14th!

regards, JF
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/04/08 01:35 PM

I still have 11 more pieces before I finish book 2. Right now I'm doing (Musetta's Waltz theme from La Boheme.

Unfortunately the All in One adult has about 30 more pieces than the regular one and my teacher teaches me out of another method so Alfreds takes a back seat in the last row of the farthest amphitheater known to man \:D .

I might talk her into just doing alfreds 3 pieces at once for a month so I can finish it and move on to book 3.
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/04/08 03:49 PM

I remember Musetta's Waltz...I didn't like playing the piece for whatever reason. Yea, I know what you mean in the sense that the Alfred's takes a back seat. My teacher has me working through 3-4 additional books as well. The couple of months though we've been spending a lot of time in it and I'm knocking the pieces out fairly quickly.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/04/08 04:56 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:

I might talk her into just doing alfreds 3 pieces at once for a month so I can finish it and move on to book 3. [/b]
OG - 3 pieces at once (11 in a month) would be a rather formidable task - while it could be done, I'm not too sure how well you would be learning them - at one piece a week these same 11 pieces would take typically about 2 1/2 to 3 months - and some of the remaining pieces are somewhat demanding (for example "Ballin' The Jack" or "Danny Boy", which I'm into my 3rd week on and just starting to get a good handle on) - I would suggest that you take more time with them, and get your teacher to move them up in the priority list - but don't rush thru them just to finish the Book - Book 3 will wait (and you'll just have the same problem with Book 3 taking a back seat to your other methods, etc., unless you can get your teacher to give it top priority) - take your time & study each piece to the best of your ability - it will pay off in the long run \:\)

Regards, JF
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/05/08 08:17 AM

Hi Jf,

I agree with what you're saying under normal circumstances but my circumstances haven't been normal since I started with my current teacher last August.

She teaches me out of Helen Curtis. It's an old method and it goes very fast and the pieces are originals, no arrangements.

So when I do get an Alfreds piece it's very simple for me compared to the stuff she gives me.

I'm not talented, or gifted or anything it's just that she gives me music that's really challenging so when I do go to an Alfred's it's really simple to me. Doing 3 Alfreds a week is nothing really.

Here's an example of one of the simpler pieces in book 2 of Helen Curtis. We work out of book 2 and book 3 in addition to other supplementary material she gives me from other composers.



All originals though. She's a stickler and hates arrangements so you can imagine how she feels about Alfreds. The only reason we're doing Alfred's is because I asked her to and she doesn't mind at all. I just want to finish what I started.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/05/08 09:09 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:


I'm not talented, or gifted or anything it's just that she gives me music that's really challenging so when I do go to an Alfred's it's really simple to me. Doing 3 Alfreds a week is nothing really.

[/b]
OG - well, why didn't you say so! That throws a whole new perspective on the situation. ;\)

I see clearly now that your situation is not normal. If you can easily handle 3 Alfred 2 pieces in a week then they certainly aren't too challenging for you (as they are for me and many others struggling thru them) and they're more or less "breathers" or "recreational pieces" for you, which you're optionally playing because you simply enjoy playing some of them, and not necessarily because they're improving your skills or technique much, at least not in comparison to the Helen Curtis pieces (the example of which does appear more demanding than anything in Alfred 2).

It would appear - in spite of your protests to the contrary - that you are in possession of a certain measurable level of talent and a definite "gift" for pianistic endevours and accomplishments.

Good luck in your studies, keep us updated on your progress - and, when shall we be hearing from you in a Recital or one of the monthly piano bars?

Regards, JF
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/05/08 11:06 AM

Hey Jf,

I freeze under the red light but I promised Mark, I would talk with my teacher this week to see if she'll assign me a recital piece for the next round.

As to whether I can get past the red dot remains to be seen. Kind of funny, I'm comfortable playing in front of people but recording makes me so self concious and I become all thumby. \:D
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/05/08 11:17 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
Hey Jf,

I freeze under the red light but I promised Mark, I would talk with my teacher this week to see if she'll assign me a recital piece for the next round.

As to whether I can get past the red dot remains to be seen. Kind of funny, I'm comfortable playing in front of people but recording makes me so self concious and I become all thumby. \:D [/b]
I have major red dot issues as well, but find recording all my practices seems to help...
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/07/08 09:16 PM

I finished "Fascination" and on to "Deep River". I'm still working on my other two supplemental pieces. I've been working some on a recital piece.

Gees, I got less than a week to get it up to snuff!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/08/08 05:26 AM

Cyborg - glad to see your progression thru Book 2 continuing - good job!

I also have confidence that "snuff" will be gotten to by you, so to speak - looking forward to hearing your Recital piece - what is it going to be? I forget, have you decided? Can you reveal it?

Finishing up the next to last piece in 2 "Danny Boy" and started on the last piece "Canon in D", both excellent pieces - hoping to get a good recording of "Danny Boy" - really like this arrangement!

Regards, JF
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/08/08 11:27 AM

Well I talked with my teacher yesterday concerning Alfreds. Looks like we're abandoning Alfreds after I finish a few pieces that I wanted to do. Danny boy, Loch Lomond and Canon in addition to 2 more I can't remember. They sounded nice while I was sight reading them so she said it was ok to do them if I wanted.

Alfreds 3 doesn't look any better. Chopins A Major prelude in the ambitious section was assigned to me by her from my Helen Curtis book 2 or 3 about 8 months ago and remains part of my repertoir.

So I'll be selecting a few pieces from there that I think I might like. I love the Irish music and folk songs. The rest she's going to give me the original pieces if I favor one or the other.

We're just going to stick with the Helen Curtis and all the other supplemental stuff she gives me.

I have mixed feelings, I wanted to finish what I started but truly it's a waste of time for me. I best use that time to progress.

I'd like to make a note. I am really not talented or a virtuoso but it's true what some people say. If you work at pieces above your level you tend to progress a bit faster.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/08/08 03:03 PM

OG - other Alfred 2 pieces of possible interest to you might be "Musetta's Waltz", "Ballin' the Jack" and "La Donna E Mobile" - musically entertaining and somewhat of a challenge (for me, anyway)- not much else other than the ones you mentioned.

In a certain way to a certain extent just about every new piece I encounter now is at least slightly "above my level", which as you say, is a good thing - pushing the envelope, so to speak - I like it that way very much, just as you seem to.

You might want to take a hint from Mark and record some or all of your practice sessions - you might just get used to the red dot and get over the worry or fear.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/09/08 08:29 AM

hey JF,

I finished Musetta's waltz and loved it. It's really easy to memorize as well.

As a matter of fact "La Donna E Mobile" was one of the ones I had picked. We passed Balling THe Jack over. tee heee I might do it on my own if I have time. It sounds naughty to me ha ha
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/09/08 05:15 PM

OG - yes, you certainly can have alot of fun with "Ballin'", so to speak ;\)

And if you loved "Musetta" you'll probably like this pop hit for Della Reese from way back, which was based on that operatic aria:

Don\'t You Know

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/12/08 07:54 AM

HI gang - Just finished "Danny Boy" - got several half-decent recordings, but not really satisfied with them yet - will keep recording until I'm completely happy - you may hear it in a future recital or piano bar - really bearing down on the "Canon in D Theme Variations" - nice ending piece for Book 2 - because of sheer length this one could take a little while to memorize (as I do all the pieces) - still reviewing & currently working on "Arkansas Travelor" (an old Bluegrass standard meant to be played really fast) - Nov. 15th will be my 3 year anniversary studying the piano, which will be here in a little over 3 months! It's gone so fast, and I think that is because it's been so much Fun! \:\)

Regards, JF
Posted by: Lisztener

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/13/08 02:18 PM

JF,

I'm happy to hear of your progress. Tempus fugit, eh?

I'm eager to hear your recital piece. ABF recital time is always exciting for me...reclusive player that I am. I hope it gives you the same rush of excitement.

BTW, I don't know which, if either, avatar closely resembles/(d) your facial features or demeanor, but I much prefer the current over the past one.

Keep moving forward at a rewarding speed.

Regards,

Lisztener
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/13/08 03:49 PM

Lisztener - thanks. Tempus fugit? Heard that somewhere way back but my Latin is just a little stale from long underuse - remind me.

Eager to hear your recital piece also - these events are always exciting - often especially the comments afterwards as well as the pieces.

My old Avatar looked more like me generally, although this one reflects my demeanor better - dark, mysterious and potentially threatening! \:D I like it better too - is it someone famous (or infamous)? Maybe I shouldn't ask ;\)

Regards, JF
Posted by: Lisztener

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/13/08 07:36 PM

JF

I wasn't trying to sound elitist when using the Latin phrase, "tempus fugit". I was only agreeing with you that "time flies", the Latin equivalent and only Latin phrase that comes to mind that I've remembered. \:o

Yes, you are correct, you shouldn't have asked since you know which one I'll choose. :p

Have a good evening, \:\)

Lisztener
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/20/08 07:01 AM

My avatar - is it John Wilkes Booth or Jessie James or some other nefarious and unsavory desperado?

With crime-infested Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/21/08 08:08 PM

Hi folks,

I'm back to posting on the forums. It's been a hectic 2-3 weeks and things are winding down. I had family visits, home projects, etc. I've been practicing but it's been fairly unproductive and I didn't get anything recorded for the recital. \:\(

I finished "Deep River" this week along with "Cruella de Vil". It's on to "Loch Lomond". I think I'm going to like this piece. \:\)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/21/08 08:36 PM

Cyborg - glad to see you're back - yes, you should like "Loch Lomond' - it's a real good arrangement of a classic old Scottish folk song - I have a recording of it that I posted in the Opening Post of the August Piano Bar - I just got a fairly good recording of "Danny Boy" (the next to last piece in Book 2) and might post that soon - right now I'm about half way thru the Canon in D piece (last in Book 2) - a little long and a little challenging, but doable - what's "Cruella" from?

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/21/08 08:55 PM

Hi JF,

It's good to be back on the boards. Yes, the "Loch Lomond" arragement seems really nice to me. I love "Danny Boy", so I'll go check out your recording. Plus, I can't wait to get to it myself. I know "Canon" is going to take a little time due to it's length but I can't wait for it either.

"Cruella de vil" (sp?) is the last piece in the Alfred's Top Hits Solo 3 book. So I'm finishing up the book just in time. I also have an arrangement of "The Star Spangled Banner" that is way above my level. I've been working on it for a month and a half but my teacher likes to keep me challenged.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/22/08 05:45 PM

CYborg - if I remember correctly there's a version of "The Star Spangled Banner" in Book 3 -eventually you'll be able to play both back-to-back just for the sake of variation. Could be interesting.

Regards, JF
Posted by: bperry

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/26/08 01:39 PM

I haven't been here in a while, because I found I was killing more time in Pianoworld than I was practicing.

I'm working on Those were the days and I thought I would see if JF had a recording here. I do remember a version on my older sister's album that I was sure was done by Melanie. I just searched and see that it was actually by Mary Hopkins. I suppose I should be happy I remember it at all.

Anyways, I got on here and sure enough I've killed an hour.

JF, I heard your Chopin in the recital and your Loch Lomond somewhere else here. Great job on both. The Loch was really pretty.

I'm going to practice now.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/26/08 10:08 PM

bperry - I have a recording of "Those were the Days" uploaded several places here in the Forums, most recently in a new topic I started, which you'll find

here

Please note however that this version is slightly modified from the "book version" (I added some short runs in the beginning & middle and a 2nd full chord at the end not shown in the sheet music).

Also - thanks for the kind words on "Loch Lamond" - it's a good arrangement and a fun piece to play.

Regards, JF

P.S. in case you're interested I recorded a number of the Book 2 pieces which you can find back on page 1 of this thread in the Opening Post (thanks kindly to Mark).
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/30/08 01:20 PM

Hi gang - with the "Canon in D" piece under control I just finished my study of new pieces in Book 2 - will be moving on to Book 3 sometime in the fairly near future, but will still visit the 2 thread often - for more about all this see this thread

JF\'s Annoucement

Regards and have fun in your studies, JF
Posted by: crusadar

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/31/08 03:51 PM

Congratulations JF, I envy your dedication and progress, I'm still struggling at the early part of Book 2, but I fear my time at a piano is going to be greatly curtailed, next week we leave to visit mainland Europe, back here by Christmas, but Mrs Crusader wants to spend Christmas in India!!, February off to the USA again for two months, but I will take some music to the Guitar Center or Sam Ash and practice, until they throw me out. \:D
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 08/31/08 05:15 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by crusader:
Congratulations JF, I envy your dedication and progress


but I will take some music to the Guitar Center or Sam Ash and practice, until they throw me out. \:D [/b]
:D Thanks crusader - for the congratulations and the laugh!

Best Regards (for safe, enjoyable travel and continued piano studies), JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/02/08 09:35 PM

Congratulations to John Frank for moving on to Book 3!!! You were dead on with your Labor Day prediction.

I was going to say this thread is MINE[/b] now...but I'll be done with Book 2 myself in a couple of weeks and on to Book 3. Unless "Hanna" decides to make my life a mess for awhile.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/07/08 05:03 PM

Well we ditched Alfred's this past week. I saw no point in doing it anymore and I felt good about ditching it as opposed to 2 months ago not wanting to let go.

Onward we go!!!!! \:D
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/07/08 05:32 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
Well we ditched Alfred's this past week. I saw no point in doing it anymore and I felt good about ditching it as opposed to 2 months ago not wanting to let go.

Onward we go!!!!! \:D [/b]
Did you get to look at any of the book 3 pieces? Some are very good.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/07/08 05:43 PM

Yes we did Mark, although they're nice they weren't challenging me enough (not to sound pretentious or anything) so we decided to just continue with original pieces.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/07/08 07:29 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
Yes we did Mark, although they're nice they weren't challenging me enough (not to sound pretentious or anything) so we decided to just continue with original pieces. [/b]
Wow...even the ambitious stuff at the end of book 3?

...you must be playing great
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/08/08 02:39 AM

One of the ambitious pieces I played about 8 months ago and is part of my repertoir. It's nothing really. The alfred arrangements aren't challenging for me but the music she gives me is. So I wouldn't say "I'm good" based on that.

If you learn to play originals that challenge you a bit you advance a bit quicker. Anybody can do it, it's just the way she teaches and the material she uses.

I still have a long way to go, I don't think I'm good but I believe I will get better.
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/13/08 07:11 PM

OG,

It sounds like it was for the best that you decided to ditch the Alfred's 2 book. Are you going to be working in Book 3 any further?
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/13/08 07:14 PM

I'm on "Theme from Festive Rondeau". Finally, I was formally introduced to trills. I love trills and triplets!!!

After that there is "Canon in D" and I'm done with Book 2. I'm pushing myself to finish Book 2 because we have been working on Christmas music since the end of August. So I don't think I'll be moving into Book 3 right away but we'll see.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/14/08 09:10 AM

Cyborg - The "Canon" should be a little bit of a challenge, especially the 2nd half or so, but it's manageable (and can be a delightful piece if practiced enough and played with feeling) - I'm reviewing selected pieces at the end of Book 2 exclusively at the moment (just to "polish them up") and will start on Book 3 when finished with that (maybe sometime in Oct.) - just had an 8 day layoff for vacation, but surprised at how fast it all comes back now (with almost 3 years under my belt) - used to worry about "down time" while on vacation, but not any more (even makes the vacation more enjoyable!)

Keep up the dedicated study, JF
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/15/08 08:52 AM

Just writing to say I’m still here in Book 2. I’ve just started on Etude, Op. 10, No. 3. Progress has been a lot slower recently. Part of this is due to the longer selections taking exponentially longer to finish, and then on top of that I’ve been spending more time (about equal parts) on some supplementary pieces.

It had been bothering me that while I could enjoy playing some of the recent pieces in Alfred’s, only a few were pieces I’d want to “add to my currently limited repertoire”. Adding these supplemental pieces has helped in that regard and brought back some of the fun that had been waning in my practice sessions.

Undone
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/15/08 04:11 PM

Undone - good to know you're still with us and plugging away on Book 2 - the Etude is a little difficult but well worth the extra effort it requires - it's a shortened and simplified version of the "real deal" but still an excellent arrangment - some of us consider it the best piece in the 1st 2 books - I submitted a recording of it for Recital No. 11, which, if you're interested, you can hear here (see No. 9):

Etude, Op.10, No.3

Regards, JF
Posted by: Middle_Pedal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/16/08 12:59 PM

Hi All - I have just began Book 2 and I'm excited about it, after 9 months of playing Book 1. I'm not playing the last tune in book 1 perfectly but I decided to move on. New stuff keeps me interested and at this point I think remaining excited about learning is more important than being perfect. I plan to go through Books 1-3 with a teacher then stop taking lessons and practice on my own for a while before resuming lessons. I used the same approach with guitar except that I found that once I got better with guitar it became more difficult and a lot more expensive to find an instructor.
Posted by: jrcallan

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/16/08 01:44 PM

Middle_pedal:

I'm at about the same point. I finished the Basic #1 snd am now starting the #2 all-in-one. I've got the bridal march runnin' scared and am about to get serious with Guantanamera spelling?) -woo hoo!

Good luck.
Posted by: Middle_Pedal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/16/08 02:26 PM

Thanks jrcallan - speaking of the "bridal march" - I know one should play the music as it is written but there's an F note (RH in 3rd or 4th bar) that sounded so out of place (based on what I've heard played at weddings)- so I play an E note instead.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/17/08 05:16 AM

Middle_Pedal - been awhile since I played "Bridal" - went back & played it both ways - while the F (last note in 4th measure) doesn't sound especially bad, you're correct in saying that substituting an E "sounds" a little better - good observation - I've done the same thing in a couple of other pieces myself (surprised a little I didn't catch this one) Thanks, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/18/08 08:13 PM

JF,

I happy to see that you are still hanging around helping folks out on Book 2. Also, you contributions by providing recording of numerous pieces is greatly appreciated by myself and I'm sure others.

I'm glad to see some more folks working their way through Book 2. I was afraid once JF and myself finished up that the thread might die down for awhile.
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/18/08 08:19 PM

As for myself, I finished up "Festive Rondeau" this week!

I'm moving on to the variation of "Canon in D". I've been anxiously waiting for this moment for over a year. I'm so excited!!! Once I get it down, I plan to keep this piece in my repetoire.

I can't believe I'm going to be in Book 3 in the near future. I remember thinking that it would be so great if I could make it. Well, I'm almost there and I haven't been this excited since finishing up my first series of non-Alfred's books.
Posted by: ohitpro

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/18/08 09:24 PM

Hello, I don't think I've ever introduced myself even though I've posted a few times. I started playing 1 year ago this month and am also working through Book2. How long do you work on a piece before moving on? Totally error free and at full tempo with ease?

I really love this forum and am trying to pick a song for the next recital.

Thanks for all the great tips and discussions!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/19/08 06:07 AM

Cyborg - I'll probably hang around in the Book 2 thread for some time to come to see how others are doing and offer some tips and hints and encouragement whenever I can (I still do the same thing in the Book 1 thread occassionally).

Also, thanks for the nice comments on my recordings.

Your excitement over finishing up Book 2 and moving into 3 is contagious - I share the feeling completely!

---------------------------------------------

ohitpro - welcome back - I would say to continue working on a piece until you can play it reasonably "error-free" at tempo - but don't obsess over the error-free part - chances are real good at this stage of our developement that playing a piece thru error-free is the exception rather than the rule - no matter how many times you"ve practiced it. Move on when you're reasonably happy with how you consistently perform it - but, it's very important to come back later to review many pieces - you'll find that after your technique and skills have improved somewhat by playing slightly more advanced pieces that you'll be able to play previously studied pieces better the second time around - continual review is essential to improving in the long run - I do what I call "concurrent review", which means while I'm working on my current, new piece I'm also working on one or two pieces that I studied say about 6 months ago, and keep moving forward on both ends. It seems to work well for me. Good luck.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/19/08 07:58 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by ohitpro:
Hello, I don't think I've ever introduced myself even though I've posted a few times. I started playing 1 year ago this month and am also working through Book2. How long do you work on a piece before moving on? Totally error free and at full tempo with ease?

I really love this forum and am trying to pick a song for the next recital.

Thanks for all the great tips and discussions! [/b]
Hi Ohitpro, The topic of “how long do you work on a piece” comes up from time to time and there are as many different answers to this as there are participants on the forum. Personally I work on a piece until I can get a recording of it that I am happy with (I have recordings of every piece I’ve played in both Alfred books so far). I don’t insist that I get this “good recording” on my first try of the day, but if I can’t get one after four or five run throughs I’ll stop recording and practice the piece some more. I also work on several pieces at a time so I have something to “move on to” when I’ve had enough of one piece for that day.

Undone
Posted by: Extraghost

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/20/08 03:15 AM

This book seems pretty difficult. I'm going much slower than the first book. I'm currently on the Hungarian Rhapsody #2, and whenever I play it, it doesn't seem to sound right, or like a song at all, maybe I'm playing it too slow though.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/22/08 08:11 AM

Extraghost, here’s a video of someone playing the Alfred Book 2 version of this piece: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86_iEEmOsoQ
Posted by: Extraghost

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/23/08 12:37 AM

Wow, nice link. Thanks

He has most the songs in the book up to about page 100. This should help a lot to know what the songs are supose to sound like.
Posted by: derekp

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/23/08 11:19 AM

Should I start off with book 2? I've been toying around for a little bit with a computer-based training method. The level I'm at is equivalent to Faber & Faber's 2B -- I can play several pieces out of there 2B-Chord Time book (actually only took a couple of days to get reasonably comfortable with some of them).

I went ahead and picked up Alfred book 2, but I think there might be some holes in what I've learned so far -- the broken chords threw me for a loop at first (and still don't sound natural to me, even when I listen to the recordings posted on this thread).

The method I've used up to this point is Software Toolworks Miracle Piano Teaching System. I'm about half way through that one, and want to switch over to using my digital piano instead of the Miracle keyboard. But the Miracle system hadn't taught any theory (such as how scales or chords are formed) -- they just present new chords in different lessons and say "This is a D Minor chord", or "Now we will learn the G Major chord" (but without teaching how chord inversions work). I've since picked up most of the theory from online resources though.
Posted by: BobH

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/24/08 12:25 PM

Derekp,
I started book 1 after working with Learn and Master Piano for about 4 months. It took me 7 weeks to get thrugh it. I have now been working on book 2 for several weeks. I think the time spent on book 1 was well worth the effort even though I felt I was going backwards for a short while.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/24/08 12:43 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by derekp:
Should I start off with book 2? I've been toying around for a little bit with a computer-based training method. The level I'm at is equivalent to Faber & Faber's 2B -- I can play several pieces out of there 2B-Chord Time book (actually only took a couple of days to get reasonably comfortable with some of them).

I went ahead and picked up Alfred book 2, but I think there might be some holes in what I've learned so far -- the broken chords threw me for a loop at first (and still don't sound natural to me, even when I listen to the recordings posted on this thread).

The method I've used up to this point is Software Toolworks Miracle Piano Teaching System. I'm about half way through that one, and want to switch over to using my digital piano instead of the Miracle keyboard. But the Miracle system hadn't taught any theory (such as how scales or chords are formed) -- they just present new chords in different lessons and say "This is a D Minor chord", or "Now we will learn the G Major chord" (but without teaching how chord inversions work). I've since picked up most of the theory from online resources though. [/b]
Hi derekp welcome to the Alfred threads,

It might not be a bad idea to get book one and go through it. If it's easy you will go though it very fast and if you hit any bumps, it will let you know that you just need a little work before moving to book two.

Think of all this as your under grad degree and it will pay off big later on in your studies.

And the book one people are really nice too,, \:D

Mark
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/26/08 09:05 AM

Hey Cyborg,

Sorry I haven't been to this thread for a couple weeks. I blame it on the week long beach vacation we took. \:D

We decided not to continue with the Alfreds method book altogether for reasons stated above.

I learned and still play one of the ambitious pieces in book 3 8 months ago. Chopins prelude Op 28 no. 7

It was quite a challenge in technic 8 months ago and now it seems so simple but I still love playing it.


Right now I've finished a sonatina she assigned to me and Clowns Opus 39 No 20 (Kabalevsky). Clowns is a neat little piece and after a week of studying it, she sat down with me and told me to get the following pieces to start working on them.

I am so excited. One of the new pieces is Chopins Waltz in A minor Posthumous, not to be confused with Op 34 no.2. Here's a link to the one I'll be learning.

http://chopinproject.com/2008/06/10/waltz-in-a-minor-kk-1238-9-1843/

The other piece is Brahms Waltz in A flat Op 39. no. 2. Here's a piece of it not played by me.

http://www.box.net/shared/5rkjtzv9qm

I'm beside myself, I can't wait to start these. They're not hard note wise, the challenge is going to be in the musicality.

I do miss discussing Alfred's and I feel alone sometimes since my pieces don't match these but my teacher is always available and she loves to discuss music even if it's not on our lesson day.
Posted by: Sherly

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/30/08 09:26 AM

Hi, I've moved on to book 3. Just posting to share my 2 recordings of :

The Polovetsian Dances
&
Pomp and Circumstance - Sorry, I dragged too long during the ending.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 09/30/08 02:51 PM

OG - nice job on the Brahms Waltz!

Sherly - good job on both pieces (but maybe just a little too much pedal?)

I just finished up reviewing "Musetta's Waltz" (hear it in the October Piano Bar) in Book 2 and am currently reviewing one of my favorites from there: "Ballin' The Jack" - OG, did you ever get around to working on that one? Great piece with a few tricky finger moves.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/01/08 07:50 AM

OOO JF, that wasn't me playing Brahms. I haven't started learning it yet, it'll be a couple weeks. We're cleaning all my assignments right now and once we're done then I'll be working on brahms and chopin.


No JF, we abandoned Alfred's altogether. The last piece I did was "The Magic Piper".
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/02/08 01:35 PM

Lots of great info in here. Just finished browsing over some of these pages,

I'll be starting book #2 this evening and will take the usual approach, discuss theory and details and then I'll spend the week practicing it..

Looking forward to some of these new pieces for sure. I probably won't be able to go as fast as #1 but hope to be 3/4 through by Xmas (we'll see)

Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/03/08 07:58 AM

TTigg - if you're just starting Book 2 and if you get 3/4 thru by Christmas that'll be amazingly fast progress, which would demonstrate a rare and incredible gift - maybe 3 to 4 times faster than the average (assuming you study all or most pieces) - congratulations, good luck & have fun!

Regards, JF
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/03/08 08:54 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
TTigg - if you're just starting Book 2 and if you get 3/4 through by Christmas that'll be amazingly fast progress, which would demonstrate a rare and incredible gift - maybe 3 to 4 times faster than the average (assuming you study all or most pieces) - congratulations, good luck & have fun!

Regards, JF [/b]
Thanks for the kind and encouraging comments John,
We'll see how it goes. I can for sure see this taking longer since the pieces are fuller and are more complicated, but that's what pushing the envelope or learning is all about \:\)

I do have a kind of a special gift with regards to my memory (semi photographic) but this can sometimes be a bad thing when trying to improve my "sight reading skills". Once I've played a piece various times (for practice etc) I have all the notes memorized.

Looking forward to making friends in this thread as I continue the journey on through #2..

Posted by: Kymber

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/03/08 11:22 AM

TTIg- I have the same problem in regards to memorizing. I memorize too quickly and don't realize I am not site reading at all unless I forget a part. I am trying really hard not to do this because I want to improve my reading.

In regards to the alfred books series. Maybe someone can give me some recommendations. I am already familiar with theory. I am working on improving my site reading. An example of what I can play would be Greensleeves, fur elise (the whole thing but I am relearning it from years ago and working out the kinks). Any suggestions as to where to go from here? Some good pieces to work on? I have some songbooks at home but I am feeling a little scattered. Thanks \:\)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/04/08 07:41 AM

Kymber - In terms of the Alfred series (and based on what you told us) I would suggest Book 2 - pick out some of the more advanced pieces starting about the middle ("Hava Nagila", "Etude, OP.10, NO.3", " Musetta's Waltz", "Ballin' The Jack", "La Donna E Mobile", etc.) and see how easy or difficult these are - if easy, work on them a little while and move on to Book 3 - if difficult, go back toward the beginning of Book 2 and study some of the pieces that interest you there - if these pieces in the middle that I listed are "just right" then start your serious study there and then later continue into Book 3.

Hope this helps.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Kymber

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/06/08 12:35 PM

Thanks JF. I will check it out.
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/06/08 02:32 PM

wOw Tumbalalaika really is fun!. Been practicing it for a few hours now and of course I'm not quite @ z32 excellent level from listening to the recording but getting very close..

Still, now I've got to concentrate on the other 2-3 songs that'll take me up to page 13!

Having this much fun should be illegal \:\)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/09/08 09:25 AM

HI y'all - just finished reviewing 3 of the more difficult pieces in Book 2: "Theme from Musetta's Waltz", "Ballin' The Jack" and "La Donna E Mobile" - as is almost always the case they were played with alot more confidence, control and musicality after hammering them pretty hard initially, leting them rest for awhile while working ahead on other pieces, and then going back to them a second time for review and really polishing them off.

Recordings of all 3 (plus others) can be heard in the opening post on page 1 in this thread. "Musetta's Waltz" can also be heard in the October Piano Bar.

I will probably review a few more Book 2 pieces and then go charging into Book 3, which I'm very anxious to do since I've heard so many good things about some of the pieces in that.

Regards, JF

P.S. Don't forget to do constant review - it helps both on the reviewed pieces AND on your current pieces!
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/09/08 09:37 PM

I'm still working on "Canon in D". I think I'll have it wrapped up within the week. After that who knows what is next. Also, I'm still working on an arrangement of "The Star Spangled Banner". I've been at it for 2.5 months and will hopefully finish it. Finally, I'm working on "Frosty the Snowman".

I can't wait to finish Book 2.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/11/08 02:51 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Cyborg:

I can't wait to finish Book 2. [/b]
Cybrg - that's exactly what I was saying for awhile there - now I'm saying that I can't wait to start Book 3 (although I'm forcing myself to wait just a little longer while I concentrate on cleaning up 2 - but it won't be much longer).

Regards, JF
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/13/08 01:16 PM

Hmmmm

Seems the 6/8 Timing has thrown me for a tissy (theory wise) Still, I can cover this on Thursday with my teacher. Until then I will move along with the songs of which I have MANY to do this week (!!)

\:D
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/17/08 10:41 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Cybrg - that's exactly what I was saying for awhile there - now I'm saying that I can't wait to start Book 3 (although I'm forcing myself to wait just a little longer while I concentrate on cleaning up 2 - but it won't be much longer).

Regards, JF [/b]
I FINISHED BOOK 2 !!!

I have started Book 3 now.

"The Star Spangled Banner" is finished although not as polished as I would like but it was and still is way over my ability. I have spent nearly 3 months on it and quite honestly I'm tired of practicing it. I plan on keeping it and "Canon in D" in my repetoire (I hope).
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/17/08 11:03 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Cyborg:
I FINISHED BOOK 2 !!!

I have started Book 3 now.

"The Star Spangled Banner" is finished although not as polished as I would like but it was and still is way over my ability. I have spent nearly 3 months on it and quite honestly I'm tired of practicing it. I plan on keeping it and "Canon in D" in my repetoire (I hope). [/b]
Well done!

I had a "gap" week where I needed to polish up some stuff. Now starting the last part of work travel for the year but hopefully still on track to have 1/2-3/4 of book #2 done by Xmas when I go home to visit the family in the UK \:\)

SC
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/17/08 11:08 AM

Oh,yes! "The Star Spangled Banner" has been my toughest one yet! Even my instructor agrees that it is difficult. I am also keeping "Canon in D", "Serenade from String Quartet" and "A Very Special Day" to play for "Grand Group"
Book 3 is a challenge and I just LUV a Challenge!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/18/08 05:46 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Cyborg:
I FINISHED BOOK 2 !!!

I have started Book 3 now.

[/b]
Cyborg - congratulations! Well done!

See you in Book 3 as we compare notes on the pieces and document our conquests! - have an incredible and enjoyable journey!

Regards,
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/18/08 05:47 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by piano4:
Book 3 is a challenge and I just LUV a Challenge! [/b]
piano4 - love you attitude (especially because it matches mine!).

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/19/08 08:24 PM

Way to go! JF!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/21/08 10:47 AM

Just finished work on the supplemental book I was using along with Book 2 - this is Alfred's Adult Sacrad Piano Book, Level 2 - a collection of classic hymns coordinated by page number to Book 2 - excellent arrangements of some beautiful melodies - valuable supplement (whether or not you're particularly religious) - one of the hymns from here can be heard in the current Piano Bar (October) - I had used and completed the Sacrad Piano Book, Level 1 along with Alfred 1 before. I recommend both heartily.

Regards, JF
Posted by: BobH

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/22/08 12:14 PM

What is everyones opinion of La Bamba? I am having trouble making this sound like anything. This is the first piece I feel the return is not worth the effort.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/22/08 02:57 PM

BobH - La Bamba was a real big rock 'n roll hit way back in the 50s - it didn't sound like much then and it still doesn't - just alot of repetition - do the best you can with it, don't expect much from it musically even with a good performance and then move on to the next piece.

Regards, JF
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 10/31/08 02:19 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Just finished work on the supplemental book I was using along with Book 2 - this is Alfred's Adult Sacrad Piano Book, Level 2 - a collection of classic hymns coordinated by page number to Book 2 - excellent arrangements of some beautiful melodies - valuable supplement (whether or not you're particularly religious) - one of the hymns from here can be heard in the current Piano Bar (October) - I had used and completed the Sacrad Piano Book, Level 1 along with Alfred 1 before. I recommend both heartily.

Regards, JF [/b]

I can see that the collection of books, extra, sheet music is just going to continue to grow like a rabid vine \:D

Thanks for the suggestion(s) JF, I will look into those after the holidays.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/04/08 09:40 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by TTigg:
 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Just finished work on the supplemental book I was using along with Book 2 - this is Alfred's Adult Sacrad Piano Book, Level 2 - a collection of classic hymns coordinated by page number to Book 2 - excellent arrangements of some beautiful melodies - valuable supplement (whether or not you're particularly religious) - one of the hymns from here can be heard in the current Piano Bar (October) - I had used and completed the Sacrad Piano Book, Level 1 along with Alfred 1 before. I recommend both heartily.

Regards, JF [/b]

I can see that the collection of books, extra, sheet music is just going to continue to grow like a rabid vine \:D

Thanks for the suggestion(s) JF, I will look into those after the holidays. [/b]
You're welcome TTigg - but look into them for the Holidays - they make great Christmas presents (assuming you've been nice rather than naughty). Ho Ho Ho!

Regards, JF
Posted by: johndyoung

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/07/08 08:56 AM

I just finished Book One and have started Book Two. I am working on the first 4 songs right now. the first one is easy but then it changes fast. I enjoy reading about the progress you all are making.
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/14/08 01:30 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by johndyoung:
I just finished Book One and have started Book Two. I am working on the first 4 songs right now. the first one is easy but then it changes fast. I enjoy reading about the progress you all are making. [/b]
Ok, I'm in now. Down in the Valley is about as difficult as something halfway through Book One, but it is useful for me in two respects. First, it sort of gets me back into Alfred's on a confident note. I can almost play it cleanly now, after working on it for 30 minutes. Second, and more importantly, it turns my attention onto something I had neglected in Book One. Chords. I can play the notes I see written, but if you asked me to play a G7 (for example), I wouldn't know how. That sort of thing must be important, though, so I'll try to take the time in Book 2 to make sure I don't leave any of that behind.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/17/08 07:35 AM

I’ve found that there are quite a few places throughout this book where you are presented with a relatively simple piece to introduce a new subject, and this is then followed by a piece that is much more challenging and also much more rewarding once you get it down.
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/17/08 05:08 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Undone:
I’ve found that there are quite a few places throughout this book where you are presented with a relatively simple piece to introduce a new subject, and this is then followed by a piece that is much more challenging and also much more rewarding once you get it down. [/b]
Agreed. Lost a little time on my overall plan due to somehow pinching the nerve in my shoulder. That of course resulted in no play for 3wks \:\(

Still on track to get just over 1/2 way through by Xmas and this also includes some heavy time trying to polish off my recital piece which is due this Saturday! back to the keys.. .
Posted by: Debbie57

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/23/08 10:11 PM

I picked up Alfred's all-in-one book 2 Saturday at my lesson, primarily so I could learn pieces that others are playing and not feel so lost sometimes when I simply can not count a measure. In addition to get to be in touch with others who are playing the same things.

I'm about 1/3rd to half way, through Faber & Faber all-in-one book 2. I've only been taking re-learner lessons for a year. My first book was Faber and Faber Accellerated for Adults book 2. Are we seeing a trend here?? My life in book two:) And just for kicks, I have my original John Thompson book 2 from the 60's.

I hate this trait about myself, but I tend to be a start at step one/page one thinker. I could take on Alfred's that way, but wondered where the group here actually is. So I could start where you are. Or, if anyone particularly liked some of the pieces from this book and had recommendations. I'm not going to stop Faber, just add this Alfred's on. I think it'll be fun. I wandered through the first pages and hung myself on the second measure of Guantanamera. I will have to count this one to myself slowly, since I don't know the tune.

Debbie,
who tends to ramble apparently.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/24/08 09:02 AM

Hi Debbie, I too started re-learning close to one year ago. It had been about forty years since my last formal lesson so I went all the way back to Alfred’s Adult all-in-one Book one page one. I’m now a little over half way through book two (just finished “Etude, Op.10, No.3 (Theme) by Chopin”. Like you, I like to move step by step through process.

For me, book one went fairly quickly but book two is taking much more time. I like to keep after a piece until I can get a recording of it that I’m satisfied with. There are many different opinions about how much one should work on a piece before moving on, but one thing I’ve learned while working on book two is that this is definitely not a race. There is no finish line; it’s something one can simply continue to work at their entire life no matter when they start. So I keep working on a few “supplemental pieces” along with Alfred’s and find this helps when working on Alfred’s pieces that aren’t “my cup of tea”.

Ultimately I believe that how we choose to practice, how long we continue to work on any given piece, and how many pieces we work on at the same time are all a matter of personal preference. The key is to find what process works for you, keeps you motivated, and wanting to return to the piano day after day; not because it’s on your “To Do” list, but because it’s something you truly enjoy.

Undone
Posted by: Debbie57

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/24/08 09:49 PM

Undone,

Sounds like we have shared similar experiences in terms of the gap and where we are working right now. The first Faber book I went through seemed to go much more rapidly than my second all-in-one book is going. I'm glad I went ahead and bought the Alfred's book 2. In theory, I had thought I should be able to do the opening pieces fairly easily. In reality, I'm needing to work on them. It's nice to me to simply have a place to read and learn from a book I have in my hands.

Debbie
Posted by: crusadar

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/26/08 02:36 PM

Hi Folks, It seems like months since I last practiced on my piano...it was months!!, I took a DP with me but only bothered to fix it up a few times..too much hassle. Now I'm back home for awhile I've got to knuckle down and revise over Book One before I can progress into Book Two again. OT, I tried logging into this forum on public computers, twice in the Netherlands and once in Germany, but it wouldn't recognise my log in details so I gave up.
Posted by: BobH

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/27/08 07:00 AM

Hi guys, I normally only post questions but saw comments on the book 3 thread that this thread is becoming a bit inactive. I am currently finishing up with Rock-a My Soul and Calypso Carnival. To date Calypso Carnival is taking the most time as I often miss one of the keys on the long LH stretch between the two A notes. I also really have to concentrate to play the RH A in the fifth bar as my hand thinks it should be an F#. Is it just me or is this piece a bit more tricky then the earlier stuff.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/28/08 10:06 AM

Hi BobH, I got a big kick out of learning Calypso Carnival. It took me some time to get it down too, but once I got it, I added it to my “list of things I play through on a regular basis”. It’s just plain old fun to play; I especially like trying to play it quite fast and very staccato, almost “music box” like. You’ll be coming upon another short and fun piece in soon “Divertimento in D”, it only takes about thirty seconds to play, but is another good one to keep in your back pocket for, as the name indicates, “a diversion”.

PS: Grow to like the "a bit more tricky" stuff; there's a lot more to come.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 11/28/08 12:53 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Undone:
You’ll be coming upon another short and fun piece in soon “Divertimento in D”, it only takes about thirty seconds to play, but is another good one to keep in your back pocket for, as the name indicates, “a diversion”.
[/b]
I agree with Undone about the delights of the "Divertimento in D" piece - one of my favorites in Book 2 - play it thru twice and you'll have a full minute of pleasure - create your own 2 or 3 note transition back to the beginning in the last measure.

Another short but neat piece is "Festive Dance".

Regards, JF
Posted by: BobH

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/03/08 05:03 AM

I picked up a copy of Alfreds Basic Adult Sacred Piano Book level 2 last weekend as suggested by John Frank. I wanted something to suplement the reqular book 2. So far I really like the pieces but miss having the recordings that are available for the standard course books. I did download MIDI files from the net but the arrangements are not quite the same. In any case I am sure I will enjoy using this book.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/04/08 12:32 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by BobH:
I picked up a copy of Alfreds Basic Adult Sacred Piano Book level 2 last weekend as suggested by John Frank. I wanted something to suplement the reqular book 2.

In any case I am sure I will enjoy using this book. [/b]
Good choice Bob - some excellent pieces in there with very nice arrangements - you'll be glad you got it!

The Level 1 Sacrad book has some good stuff in it too.

Regards, JF
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/05/08 12:05 PM

Well I'm certainly digging "Night Song" \:\) Got 3 more weeks before Xmas so I'll probably be just over 1/2 way done. I think there are 90 some pages in book 2 and as of next week I'll be up to around 50..

Looking forward to getting to "Canon D" which will probably be in Jan

Happy Holidays to the Book #2 club
Posted by: BobH

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/07/08 05:28 AM

TTigg, You must not be using the AIO version of the book because it is 143 pages. You are also moving quite a bit faster then I am. I went through book 1 in seven weeks and after about ten weeks I have covered a little over a third of book 2. I do work on all the pieces but do not stay long with pieces I don't like. I switched to the AIO books because of the binding as they stay open much better on the music stand.
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/07/08 09:13 AM

7 weeks on Book One? WOW. It took me about 7 months (hard to say for sure, it was on and off), but even at that pace, I thought maybe I was rushing things.
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/07/08 09:26 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by BobH:
TTigg, You must not be using the AIO version of the book because it is 143 pages. You are also moving quite a bit faster then I am. I went through book 1 in seven weeks and after about ten weeks I have covered a little over a third of book 2. I do work on all the pieces but do not stay long with pieces I don't like. I switched to the AIO books because of the binding as they stay open much better on the music stand. [/b]
Yeah for books 1&2 I had the separate theory and lesson books. For book #3 AIO is the only option. I've not skipped any pieces in book #2 but like you, I don't spend ages on the ones I'm not that fond of.

Book #2 is going slower than 1 but I think that's to be expected. My recital took up a little more time than I was originally planning but it was worth it in the end.

MOYD really helps since I manage to get in an easy 1hr in the mornings and then extra time in the evenings
Posted by: BobH

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/07/08 10:30 AM

I returned to piano in January after a 20 year break from a year of lessons. I started with Learn and Master Piano but wanted more note reading so after 4 months switched to the materials I had saved from my year of lessons. Then I started reading the Alfred's threads here and felt a more organized format would work better. Bottom line is I began book 1 after 6 months of playing around, so I did not start out at the same place as most people here. I think shortly into book 2 I arrived at my level of competence. It seems like from here on out my progress will be measured on a different scale.
Posted by: bperry

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/11/08 10:06 PM

I haven't been here in quite a while but I'm working on night song. And I'm still Hokey Pokeying to the point where my family is ready to throw me out. It was kind of silly at first, but I actually like it now that it's sounding good. A few days into Night Song, I'm really enjoying it.
I also started Hanon exercises a few weeks back and I like doing them and I think they're really helping my finger strength and coordination.

I liked the House of the Rising Sun a lot also but I still manage to screw it up.

I'll have to check back here more often.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/12/08 08:36 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by bperry:
I'm still Hokey Pokeying to the point where my family is ready to throw me out. It was kind of silly at first, but I actually like it now that it's sounding good. [/b]
:D

I’ve found that to be true of a lot of the songs I don’t initially care for. After playing them for a while, I start to enjoy the act of playing them even if they’re still not the sort of thing I’d want to play for others. I try to follow through with each and every piece in the book because I figure it’s there for a reason and there is probably something I can learn from it even if I don’t immediately recognize what that “something” is.

Undone
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/12/08 10:26 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by bperry:
I haven't been here in quite a while but I'm working on night song. And I'm still Hokey Pokeying to the point where my family is ready to throw me out. It was kind of silly at first, but I actually like it now that it's sounding good. A few days into Night Song, I'm really enjoying it.
I also started Hanon exercises a few weeks back and I like doing them and I think they're really helping my finger strength and coordination.

I liked the House of the Rising Sun a lot also but I still manage to screw it up.

I'll have to check back here more often. [/b]
Yeah the Hokey Pokey was a tough nut to crack. Night Song was easy for me, like to play it and will add this to my weekly "rep".

Going to polish up the Hawai one and then work on the next 2 songs for next week. Then I take a 2wk break (traveling also) so I'll pick the rest up in the new year.

Still managed to be approx 1/2 way through #2 by Xmas which was one of my original goals..

Keep playing & practicing folks, god this is way too much fun!
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/19/08 10:23 PM

\:D @ Pomp & Circumstance No 1.

I mean I've got it (85%) but I just can't stop laughing when I am playing it since I'm thinking of old TV shows (Only Fools & Horses) etc where they would use (mimic) this theme for certain sketches ;\)

should be hopefully done with book # by end of January. OK wait, Canon D last song, ok maybe Feb....
Posted by: blues flat 7

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/19/08 10:48 PM

Hi All
I am learning a little from the Alfred books, plus some other books too. I did a search here on Piano World for fake book, and found that one of the members of Piano World wrote a pretty nice lesson book, that comes with a cd. I got it, and it really looks like a nice way of adding things to learn to the methods we are in.
I am still a Level 1 Alfred, and Piano Adventures user, but I know that you level 2 guys and gals will love the things that Pete the bean teaches. I started a thread and asked him if he would help us out a little, and he said yes, and posted a free lesson that will be very helpful to everyone in the thread. Just thought I would suggest that you check it out, not trying to sell anything, but just sharing what I think is some great help for all. Oh, and how nice it is too that the guy that wrote the book, is a member right here with all of us on Piano World.
Also, while I am thinking of it, there is a link in the thread for a lot of free audios of some jazz lessons that I think is a great resource too. Pete has a link for the audio of this free lesson on there too. Thanks, and hope to see many of you on that thread. Here is the link.

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/32/7708.html

Flat 7
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/20/08 05:16 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by blues flat 7:
I am still a Level 1 Alfred, and Piano Adventures user, but I know that you level 2 guys and gals will love the things that Pete the bean teaches. I started a thread and asked him if he would help us out a little, and he said yes, and posted a free lesson that will be very helpful to everyone in the thread. Just thought I would suggest that you check it out, not trying to sell anything, but just sharing what I think is some great help for all.
Flat 7 [/b]
Not trying to sell anything? Really? That would be different! So Pete the bean's book, CD and all his lessons are free then?

Regards, JF
Posted by: blues flat 7

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/20/08 10:38 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
 Quote:
Originally posted by blues flat 7:
I am still a Level 1 Alfred, and Piano Adventures user, but I know that you level 2 guys and gals will love the things that Pete the bean teaches. I started a thread and asked him if he would help us out a little, and he said yes, and posted a free lesson that will be very helpful to everyone in the thread. Just thought I would suggest that you check it out, not trying to sell anything, but just sharing what I think is some great help for all.
Flat 7 [/b]
Not trying to sell anything? Really? That would be different! So Pete the bean's book, CD and all his lessons are free then?

Regards, JF [/b]
Hi JF
Pete did give a free lesson on the thread. I posted a longer answer to this on this thread.
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/32/7708.html

Thanks,
Flat 7
Posted by: angelojf

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/23/08 10:31 AM

Does anyone know if Alfred's All-In-One Book 2 is available with a CD?

Thanks!
Ang
Posted by: melwig

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/23/08 11:03 AM

Yes it is available. I find it only marginally helpful. The music sounds very computer generated. The piano is usually accompanied by other instruments making it more difficult to hear the piano part. Why they do that I don't know. After all, it is a piano instruction book.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/23/08 11:23 AM

On the CD the piano part comes from one side & the accompaniment from the other, so all you have to do is turn off one speaker to hear the piano by itself.

Regards, JF
Posted by: BobH

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/26/08 06:21 AM

I have found the pieces posted at the begining of this string to be great. I copied them to my hard drive and use them as a quick reference when I start a new piece. All of the pieces are not there but that does force me to practice counting beats once in a while. I wish the pieces from the supplementary books were available also.
Posted by: BobH

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/30/08 07:46 AM

I am currently working on the Hokey Pokey and Night Song. Hokey Pokey is one of the first songs I felt like I had to just let loose and let my fingers take over. It really made it much easier. Its funny how some songs that you really do not like can push you to the next step. I really like Night Song; it makes me feel like I am playing the piano and not just going through another learning exercise.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 12/31/08 01:17 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by BobH:
I am currently working on the Hokey Pokey and Night Song. Hokey Pokey is one of the first songs I felt like I had to just let loose and let my fingers take over. It really made it much easier. Its funny how some songs that you really do not like can push you to the next step. I really like Night Song; it makes me feel like I am playing the piano and not just going through another learning exercise. [/b]
Hi Bob...Welcome...

The Hokey Pokey drove me a little crazy, but really enjoyed Night Song.

Glad the pieces in the opening post helps you. If you or anyone else has a nice recording of any Alfread piece, let me know and we can add it to the list. Duplicates are welcome.

I especially need book one pieces.

Happy New Year

Mark...
Posted by: BobH

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/01/09 03:36 AM

Mark,
As I have been working through book 2 I have come across a few songs that were not included in your links. I was able to find most of these by going to Utube and typing in the name of the piece as well as Alfred's book 2. I think I found everything I was looking for. Some of the pieces were posted by people from this forum. I saved copies of the audio to my hard drive using the Audigy software that came with my computer soundcard. This method may be helpful to others looking for songs.
Posted by: perceval

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/04/09 04:15 PM

Just started with Book 2, I'm teaching myself after a long period of near inactivity. I'm using Book 2 plus simple Bach pieces to bolster my confidence again. I really like the AIO's approach of interweaving theory and practice ... makes a lot of sense to me!
Posted by: BobH

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/04/09 05:55 PM

I am also using the AIO but mostly purchased it due to the binding. I used the standard version of book 1 and it never sat well on the music stand. I do not spend much time on the theory portion of book 2 but have read about half of Edly's Music Theory for Practical People. It started to get more advanced then I was ready for but I will go back to it in the future.
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/08/09 09:13 AM

OK back from holiday break & travel. Pretty much done with Pomp & Circumstance, now just gotta polish off the Seventh Blues one. Then I have my 45m lesson with teacher so we can continue on next part (step) of #2.

Since the pieces in #2 are generally longer I've noticed that unlike #1 when you do 2-3pages of theory it can easily cover 4-5 songs!

Posted by: BobH

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/08/09 12:07 PM

I am currently working on Olympic Procession and trying to polish up Hava Nagila. For some reason on the opening of that one my fingers run away and slip in a few perfect wrong notes. Up to this point I have not been working with a metronome. Does anyone use them and how do you know what rate to set it for with the pieces in Alfred's?
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/09/09 08:26 AM

I’ve used a metronome to help me keep a steady tempo on a few pieces. As for knowing what to set it to, or knowing the intended tempo on some of the Alfred pieces in general, this is were I’ve gotten the most use out of the CD. I never use it to play along with, but I will listen to some pieces to get an idea of the tempo. I have a built in metronome on my DP and it has a “Tap” function where you set the time signature (meter) and then just tap the button in time with the music and it sets the tempo.

After saying all of that, I would think “Hava Nagila” would be a tuff one to use a metronome on due to the tempo changes.

PS: I’m currently working on “Battle Hymn of the Republlic” and “The Riddle”.

Undone
Posted by: BobH

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/11/09 05:02 AM

I spent my first session with the metronome yesterday working on Olympic Procession. I set the metronome to a tempo of 60 playing only the weak beats. It is funny but it changes your focus from playing the correct notes and cords to playing them on the beat. It sure points out where you are weak in the piece. I am not sure how much I often I will use the device but I can see the value.
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/12/09 07:20 PM

I am simply 'g Swinging Sevenths, that is all
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/13/09 10:39 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by TTigg:
I am simply 'g Swinging Sevenths, that is all [/b]
I agree - nice little swingin' tune - I recorded this & submitted it to a monthly piano bar not too long ago. There's also several versions of it back on page 1 of this thread.

Regards, JF
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/13/09 02:27 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
 Quote:
Originally posted by TTigg:
I am simply 'g Swinging Sevenths, that is all [/b]
I agree - nice little swingin' tune - I recorded this & submitted it to a monthly piano bar not too long ago. There's also several versions of it back on page 1 of this thread.

Regards, JF [/b]
Hmmm seems I'm playing it way faster but them it's Swinging so I figured faster... I may have to re-visit and see..

Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/13/09 03:15 PM

Don't forget, we can always use additional recordings for any and all Alfred pieces for the opening pages. Duplicates are welcome.

Thanks!

Mark...
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/13/09 09:50 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
Don't forget, we can always use additional recordings for any and all Alfred pieces for the opening pages. Duplicates are welcome.

Thanks!

Mark... [/b]
Thanks Mark, nothing like some added pressure to make recordings \:D
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/14/09 07:33 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by TTigg:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
Don't forget, we can always use additional recordings for any and all Alfred pieces for the opening pages. Duplicates are welcome.

Thanks!

Mark... [/b]
Thanks Mark, nothing like some added pressure to make recordings \:D [/b]
I'm just trying to make you guys famous... \:D
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/14/09 08:35 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
Don't forget, we can always use additional recordings for any and all Alfred pieces for the opening pages. Duplicates are welcome.

Thanks!

Mark... [/b]
Mark, how would you prefer that we go about providing such recordings? A post to the thread with a BoxNet link, a PM to you, or some other way?

Undone
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/14/09 03:43 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Undone:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
Don't forget, we can always use additional recordings for any and all Alfred pieces for the opening pages. Duplicates are welcome.

Thanks!

Mark... [/b]
Mark, how would you prefer that we go about providing such recordings? A post to the thread with a BoxNet link, a PM to you, or some other way?

Undone [/b]
You can post it here (With box.net),so everyone can check it out. And then I can link it in the opening page.

Thanks!
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/16/09 03:50 PM

America So Beautiful is going to take some time....

Mainly due to not being born, raised and having this nice tune drilled into memory over the years..

Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/17/09 10:34 AM

Happy anniversary to me![/b] It was one year ago yesterday that I started re-learning the piano with Alfred’s All-In-One Book 1 page 1. I had taken a few of years of lessons as a child, was active in many musical pursuits all through my school years, I knew how to read music, and had continued to tinker with the piano now and again through out my life. So I was able to move fairly swiftly through much of book 1.

I eventually caught up with, and then surpassed, where my previous lessons and experience had taken me. Things continue to progress at a much slower rate now. Today I’m working on “The Magic Piper” and “He’s got the Whole World in His Hands”.

To celebrate this anniversary, and in response to Mark’s posting, I’m submitting these recordings to help fill in the blanks on our list of Book 2 pieces. I try to get a recording of each piece before I proceed on, so these recordings are ones that were done at the time I was working on them and are not new recording of previous lessons. I hope someone finds them useful.


Guantanamera

Hungarian Rhapsody #2

La Bamba

Mexican Hat Dance

Plaisir D’Amour


Undone
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/17/09 11:16 AM

Undone - very nicely played - solid performance of all the pieces - good light touch, steady tempo and fine melodic emphasise.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/17/09 12:07 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Undone:
Happy anniversary to me![/b] It was one year ago yesterday that I started re-learning the piano with Alfred’s All-In-One Book 1 page 1. I had taken a few of years of lessons as a child, was active in many musical pursuits all through my school years, I knew how to read music, and had continued to tinker with the piano now and again through out my life. So I was able to move fairly swiftly through much of book 1.

I eventually caught up with, and then surpassed, where my previous lessons and experience had taken me. Things continue to progress at a much slower rate now. Today I’m working on “The Magic Piper” and “He’s got the Whole World in His Hands”.

To celebrate this anniversary, and in response to Mark’s posting, I’m submitting these recordings to help fill in the blanks on our list of Book 2 pieces. I try to get a recording of each piece before I proceed on, so these recordings are ones that were done at the time I was working on them and are not new recording of previous lessons. I hope someone finds them useful.


Guantanamera

Hungarian Rhapsody #2

La Bamba

Mexican Hat Dance

Plaisir D’Amour


Undone [/b]
Wow...great work undone. I could never play the Mexican hat dance that well...

I'm going to link these to the first page...

I placed them at the end of the opening post because I have the basic book and don't have the exact order for the All in one book. If someone can tell where to slot Undone's wonderful pieces I'll move them to the proper spot.

Mark

Thanks so much...
Posted by: angelojf

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/17/09 02:09 PM

Undone: You say you hope someone finds them useful...

Well I sure do ! ! ! ! !

Bravo! Bravo! Encore! Encore!

I find them "useful" because being on Level One, I find these recordings to be inspirational!

Great work, happy anniversary, and thanks for posting them.

Angelojf
Posted by: KaylaX

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/17/09 02:24 PM

HI Mark,

I am actually still in Alfreds 1 book but I have Alfreds 2 book and here is where the new pieces go.

Guantanamera goes after "Down in the valley"

Hungarian Rhapsody #2, La Bamba, and Mexican hat dance, all go after "Light blue" (in their same order)

And Plaisir D'Amour go after "Scherzo"

That should help the list so far. Of course there are still pieces missing here and there. I hope this helps. And I hope I didnt do any Boo Boo's. Well back to Alfreds 1 where I belong.


Although I do have one discreptancy in my book. I do not have these two songs "Tumbalalaika" and "Roman Holiday". Can someone tell me where in the book those two songs are???? They are not in my list of contents.

KaylaX
\:\)
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/17/09 02:45 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by KaylaX:
HI Mark,


Although I do have one discreptancy in my book. I do not have these two songs "Tumbalalaika" and "Roman Holiday". Can someone tell me where in the book those two songs are???? They are not in my list of contents.

KaylaX
\:\) [/b]
Thanks! Adjustments made! Tumbalalaika and Roman Holiday are at the very beginning of Alfred 2 in the Basic adult version.
Posted by: KaylaX

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/17/09 02:53 PM

Oh....

Thank you mark. I have the "All in one" edition. I looked and looked and looked and was beginning to think I was nuts!!!! Thank you for the clarification. Oh and I got my book from Amazon as used so I was also beginning to think that I got gypt!!!!!!

Thank again,

KaylaX
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/20/09 10:45 PM

Greetings Everyone,

I'm just about to start on my AIO level 2 book, and am looking forward to learning from many of you who have already harnessed much more experiences here than I have. So if anyone has any pointers and advise to offer as I embark on this new book, I would certainly appreciate it.

Best Regards,

Key Notes \:\)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/21/09 05:29 AM

Key Notes - Welcome to the Alfred 2 thread! Again great job on finishing up Book 1

There's a lot of piano-loving, hard-practicing, help-giving people here who are eager to share your journey.

My advice: keep on doing what you've been doing all along - before you know it you'll have mastered the pieces in Book 2, posted a thread announcing this conquest as you did when you completed Book 1, and then you'll be making a post in the Alfred 3 thread similar to your current post above announcing your arrival there!

And don't hestitate to share your progress with us through your recordings.

Good luck and above all have fun.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/21/09 08:01 AM

Key Notes, Congratulations on your graduation from Book 1!

As you begin your journey through Book 2, be prepared to spend more time with each selection then you did in Book 1 (maybe not right off the bat, but soon). As the pieces get longer and the difficulty increases, it just takes a little more time to get to the point where you can play through them satisfactorily. Of course the feeling of accomplishment as you do complete each new piece increases as well. \:\)

Undone
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/22/09 12:50 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Key Notes - Welcome to the Alfred 2 thread! Again great job on finishing up Book 1

There's a lot of piano-loving, hard-practicing, help-giving people here who are eager to share your journey.

My advice: keep on doing what you've been doing all along - before you know it you'll have mastered the pieces in Book 2, posted a thread announcing this conquest as you did when you completed Book 1, and then you'll be making a post in the Alfred 3 thread similar to your current post above announcing your arrival there!

And don't hestitate to share your progress with us through your recordings.

Good luck and above all have fun.

Regards, JF [/b]
Thanks JF, for the warm welcome and encouragements, as always.

I have the feeling that it'll take me quite a bit longer to get this book done as Undone had mentioned, since I expected it to be quite a bit harder than book 1.

I'm not sure about sharing future recordings at this point, we'll see... \:o But, it's certainly is encouraging to know that at least one person ask for more.

I hope that you are also having fun and are enjoying your level 3 book adventures.

Best Regards,

Key Notes \:\)
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/22/09 01:54 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Undone:
Key Notes, Congratulations on your graduation from Book 1!

As you begin your journey through Book 2, be prepared to spend more time with each selection then you did in Book 1 (maybe not right off the bat, but soon). As the pieces get longer and the difficulty increases, it just takes a little more time to get to the point where you can play through them satisfactorily. Of course the feeling of accomplishment as you do complete each new piece increases as well. \:\)

Undone [/b]
Thank you Undone for your kind expressions of welcome and wonderful words of advise. I will certainly take them to heart and keep them in mind whenever I should face these new challenges.

I've already glanced quickly through the book and like you said, I did noticed that some of the pieces are several pages long, such as "Hava Nagila" for example, and since I'm not use to working with such full length versions, it'll definitely be very interesting.

I've also decided to add a supplimental song book to work on, just for variety, along with Alfred's, and some of the songs in there averages about 4-5 pages long. I think that I may be asking for trouble , but hopefully improvements and enjoyment well come along the way as well. \:\)

And finally, I would also like to extend my congratulations to you for your one-year anniversary upon returning to learn to play the piano as well.

I listened to all of the five pieces that you've posted on the previous page for Mark to link to, and wow, how beautifully you played. I particularly love the "Hungarian Rhapsody #2" and "Plaisir D'Amour". Thank you for sharing your recordings for they'll certainly be very useful for many of us beginners.

Thanks again and happy playing to you!

Best Regards,

Key Notes \:\)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/22/09 05:07 AM

Mark - the mention by Key Notes in her post above where she talked about the length of "Hava Nagila" reminded me that I had not yet made my recording of that piece available for you to insert in the OP back on page 1 of this thread - if you'll remember, this was my entry in the last ABF Recital - so, here it is:

Hava Nagila

I also have a new, improved recording of "Danny Boy" which I'll link up here for you soon.

In addition, I submitted an enhanced version of "Black Forest Polka" to the January Piano Bar if you want to use that too. Thanks.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/22/09 10:05 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Mark - the mention by Key Notes in her post above where she talked about the length of "Hava Nagila" reminded me that I had not yet made my recording of that piece available for you to insert in the OP back on page 1 of this thread - if you'll remember, this was my entry in the last ABF Recital - so, here it is:

Hava Nagila

I also have a new, improved recording of "Danny Boy" which I'll link up here for you soon.

In addition, I submitted an enhanced version of "Black Forest Polka" to the January Piano Bar if you want to use that too. Thanks.

Regards, JF [/b]
I added Hava Nagila thanks...
Posted by: BobH

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/22/09 12:21 PM

After listening to the beautiful recordings by Undone I am both inspired and depressed that my own playing does not come anywhere close. Today I started Pomp and Circumstance and am trying to polish up Black Forrest Polka. I enjoy playing that one. I do find myself spending quite a bit more time at the keyboard when I like the pieces.
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/22/09 04:13 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by BobH:
After listening to the beautiful recordings by Undone I am both inspired and depressed that my own playing does not come anywhere close. Today I started Pomp and Circumstance and am trying to polish up Black Forrest Polka. I enjoy playing that one. I do find myself spending quite a bit more time at the keyboard when I like the pieces. [/b]
I'm with ya Bob. Although I've not actually recorded anything (yet) there is always going to be people far better than us, hell look at Kawaigirl who can churn out masterpieces only days after seeing the sheet music..

But hey, we're here, we're having fun and we're doing it \:\)

Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/22/09 11:06 PM

Nice Hava Nagila JF!

BobH, I'm sure that you are a lot better than I am being that far into book 2, eventhough you may not want to compare yourself with such a newbie like myself, but like TTigg said, at least we are having lots of fun trying.

Cheers,

Key Notes \:\)
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/23/09 09:19 AM

BobH, don’t feel depressed; there are many paths to our goal of learning to play the piano and we all have to find the path that works us. Some people like to take each piece to the point where they feel they’ve learned enough from it and then move one, I’m just one of those obsessive-compulsive types that will keep working on a piece until I’m happy with the recording I get, even if it takes months (I’ve been working on a single “supplemental piece” for six months now and I’m not even close to being able playing it all the way through yet – even with mistakes).

For me, the decision on “how fast to proceed” has been one of the biggest decisions I’ve had to make while working in Book 2 without a teacher. Sometimes I feel like I’m stuck in a rut and not making any progress when I haven’t started on anything new in weeks and I’m still not close to being finished with what I’m working on, but then I finally do get another piece “finished” and I’m happy with what I’ve accomplished.

I only play for my own enjoyment and have no aspirations to do anything more then that. So I’m not in any hurry to reach any sort of grade or ability level, it’s all about getting some enjoyment out of what I’m doing while I’m doing it. And if I decide to switch paths and try an entirely different approach tomorrow, well that’s fine too.

Just enjoy the ride! \:\)

Undone
Posted by: BobH

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/24/09 06:36 AM

Undone,
I really was just kidding about the depressed part of my post. I must admit though that your playing has a clean finished quality about it that I never achieve. I am happy with the Alfred's series but I consider the pieces as stones in path and not music I want to add to my repertoire. As a result I get so far and then move on. I always felt the polish would come after I reach a certain level of proficiency. When I hear someone play the way you do I have to wonder if it would be best for my learning journey to slow down once in a while and really nail down one of the pieces. Let me just add that when I look back on what I could do 6 months ago to what I can do now I am more then satisfied with my progress.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/24/09 11:02 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by BobH:
I am happy with the Alfred's series but I consider the pieces as stones in path and not music I want to add to my repertoire.

As a result I get so far and then move on. I always felt the polish would come after I reach a certain level of proficiency.

When I hear someone play the way you do I have to wonder if it would be best for my learning journey to slow down once in a while and really nail down one of the pieces.

[/b]
BobH - to use an old Pennsylvania Dutch expression you "might be putting the cart in front of the horse" - that "certain level of proficiency" that you are hoping to reach so that you will then be able to "polish" the pieces you're working on may never come if you don't perhaps slow down just a little and take the time to play each of those "stepping-stone" pieces in the various levels of Alfred (and any other pieces you're working on) to the best of your current ability (as opposed to just "getting by" with them) at the time you first encounter them (or as you review them).

"Polishing" each piece as you encounter it to the best of your ability at your current level is essential, and is itself a stepping-stone on the path to reaching each new "level of proficiency" - the polishing comes first and then gradually over time new levels of proficiency are reached (not the other way around).

You may never become proficient (at least as much as you would hope or like) if you don't work constantly at playing each piece as best you can over an extended period of time.

But, playing each piece "as best you can" doesn't mean playing it perfectly, without mistakes - it just means having reasonable control over it to the extent that you can play it as intended by the composer (or editor) - that is, at the indicated tempo with the indicated dynamics andwith some degree of musicality (while keeping mistakes to a reasonable minimum) - the mistakes you make in pieces at a given level will be gradually reduced as you review them periodically (polishing them even more) and as your skill level increases over time with more demanding pieces.

So, don't worry too much about mistakes, but always keep in mind that polishing leads to proficiency - not the reverse.

Regards, JF

Edited for spelling, grammer & additional thoughts.
Posted by: bperry

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/26/09 09:04 AM

Once again, I've logged on and spent too much time reading.
I just started Pomp & Circumstances and it seems like a big step forward. I'm kind of in the same boat as BobH in that I move on when I finish something. I don't have any polished repertoire other than Night Song which I just finished. I don't know if that's good or not but with a limited amount of practice time I like to work on new things. I do Hanon and Alfred. I actually like the Hanon exercises. I think they help my fingers and also make a good warmup.
Gtg. I'm supposed to be working.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/27/09 07:48 AM

Hey J.F. – I just started on one of your favorites from Book 2: “Ballin’ the Jack”. This one is going to take some time (even though I’m quite familiar with the song).

Undone
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/27/09 10:58 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Undone:
Hey J.F. – I just started on one of your favorites from Book 2: “Ballin’ the Jack”. This one is going to take some time (even though I’m quite familiar with the song).

Undone [/b]
Yes, I enjoyed that one a lot - but it wasn't easy - if you go over it enough eventually you get it partly or wholly memorized and then you can concentrate on the somewhat tricky fingering (and the slightly tricky rhythm) - have fun - I somehow suspect that you'll "ace" it sooner rather than later!

Regards, JF
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/29/09 05:08 PM

wOw Arkansas Traveler =

Every now and then Alfred seems to throw me a "curve ball" and have my fingers doing things I think they were never meant to do.

Yep, don't think I'm going to get a check mark this week from teacher on this one. I mean I can play it but just "very slowly" \:\)

Still, I was already warned book#2 was going be much harder than #1 \:\)

Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/31/09 02:09 AM

quote:
Originally posted by TTigg:
wOw Arkansas Traveler =

Thanks for the warning, I'll have to continued to practice my Hanon exercises even more diligently, I knew that there's a reason for everything. \:\)

And just an observation about myself but I've found that I really enjoyed playing and listening to those arpeggiated chords, such as in the ending of "Guantannamera" - what pretty sounds.

Cheers,

Key Notes \:\)
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 01/31/09 03:25 PM

I am struggling with La Bamba. It seems as if there was an abrupt learning curve vs. the previous Theme from Solace. Can anyone corroborate this?
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/01/09 07:25 PM

Hey Mark - here's a new, improved version of Danny Boy for the OP - and this one is more faithful to the book - if you will, delete tha one you already have there and use this one instead:

Danny Boy

Thanks, JF
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/02/09 08:02 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Waltz:
I am struggling with La Bamba. It seems as if there was an abrupt learning curve vs. the previous Theme from Solace. Can anyone corroborate this? [/b]
Waltz, I’ll corroborate that and add that you’ll be running into this sort of thing much more often in book 2. That’s another reason why this book takes more time to complete then book 1 did. But the good news is that the opposite sort of thing occurs from time to time too. You may finish a particularly challenging piece and find the next one in the book to be much simpler (it’s probably introducing something new that you will be seeing again in one of those “more challenging pieces” very soon).

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/02/09 12:48 PM

Thanks Undone. Your rendition sounds much better than anything I've pulled off as of yet. This my fifth day of working on it (at around 2 hours per day). How long did it take you to reach that level of fluency for the recording?
Posted by: Sundew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/03/09 05:02 AM

I posted about La Bamba when I came across it. I agree about the leap in difficulty. It also resulted in painful hands so I pretty much abandoned both the piece and Alfred at that point. I had already extended my focus beyond Alfred so I wasn't short on pieces to play and there are plenty of theory resources. I dip into it once in a while, I do like Light and Blue for instance, but it is now very much a supplement on my shelf.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/03/09 08:12 AM

Waltz, I don’t remember exactly how long I spent on La Bamba (I could look it up in my practice log if I were at home right now, but I’m not), but I can say that I often spend three or more weeks working on a piece. That said, I don’t work on just one piece at a time. I usually have two or occasionally three Alfred pieces going along with one supplemental piece at any point in time. I just can’t bring myself to spend all my practice time, day after day, on one single piece of music.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/03/09 12:56 PM

Thanks for both replies and I agree that it is probably best to "move on" with the subsequent pieces. The hardest part (for me) is keeping the rhythm and sound level even. Certain parts elicit me to play faster (the inverted chord segments) and afterwards the entire tempo is off. Also, certain Chord transitions are difficult to make smoothly and the end result sounds "choppy". At least La Raspa seems easier (the next piece).
Posted by: Enjoy to play

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/04/09 10:29 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Undone:
Happy anniversary to me![/b] It was one year ago yesterday that I started re-learning the piano with Alfred’s All-In-One Book 1 page 1.

....

To celebrate this anniversary, and in response to Mark’s posting, I’m submitting these recordings to help fill in the blanks on our list of Book 2 pieces. I try to get a recording of each piece before I proceed on, so these recordings are ones that were done at the time I was working on them and are not new recording of previous lessons. I hope someone finds them useful.

Undone [/b]
I came over from the Alfred book 1 thread to take a peek and admire what will be ahead for me. It was one month since I started book 1 and have now covered about 3/4. Had one year of lessons 20 years ago.

If I could play this great in one year from now with realy hard work... where do I sign?! My compliments Undone!

(BTW I am also enjoying my current level and progress ;\) )
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/05/09 08:36 AM



Undone
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/06/09 12:24 PM

Ok so I'm beginning to get to grips with the 16th notes . Did ok this week and teach let me go onto next song, just have to polish up the Musette a little.

It is sometimes frustrating how book #2 is not moving as fast (in my head) as book #1. Still, it's to be understood I guess since the pieces are much more advanced and involved..

I must get my noticeboard this weekend so I can pin up my mini repertoire (based almost all on Alfred) and begin to get more practice on those pieces in...

Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/06/09 11:42 PM

Nice going TTigg!

I'm just starting to speed up the tempo a bit with "Guantanamera". I'm going to have to remind myself of the same thing as well in terms of the speed with which I should be moving through the difficult pieces, and to enjoy the process of learning (suffering?) \:D , and progress will come soon enough.

Happy playing to you!

Key Notes \:\)
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/08/09 04:18 PM

Currently working on Mexican Hat Dance. This piece is challenging but overall fun to play. The piece before such, For He's a Jolly Good Fellow, was both fun and easy. These are the first two pieces I have found enjoyable since Light and Blue.

To Key Notes: after Guantanamera you have (I believe) Theme from Overture and Light and Blue (in that order). They are both great. After such, you are in for a few weeks of misery (including La Bamba; which I absolutely loathed).
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/09/09 11:34 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Waltz:

To Key Notes: after Guantanamera you have (I believe) Theme from Overture and Light and Blue (in that order). They are both great. After such, you are in for a few weeks of misery (including La Bamba; which I absolutely loathed). [/b]
Thanks! Good to know regarding Overture and Light and Blue. And thanks for the heads-up regarding La Bamba. I see what you mean, all of those treble clefs' chords is going to kill me. \:D But, I'm excited about learning those new "repeated" music note notations, such as CODA and the fancy S symbol.

Thanks again and good luck with your Mexican Hat Dance.

Key Notes \:\)
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/12/09 12:46 PM

Finished up MHD, working on Festive Dance now. Its staccato pattern is reminiscent of Theme from Overture. Overall it's very nice to play.

An observation: thus far, the 6/8 introductory time scale pieces have all been played in an allegro tempo (or moderate allegro).
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/13/09 10:18 AM

Working on Battle Hym as we speak, good god man those left/right hand changes and the timing (16th notes) are a real challenge to learn!
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/13/09 10:21 PM

I took a look at Battle Hymn and it did look rather dense. Also, the time scale had a "c" mark or something to that effect; I won't speculate \:\) .
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/13/09 10:23 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Waltz:
I took a look at Battle Hymn and it did look rather dense. Also, the time scale had a "c" mark or something to that effect; I won't speculate \:\) . [/b]
The "C" means common time which is 4/4 time...
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/14/09 01:04 PM

Thanks Mark. They have not yet covered that as of Scherzo (on which I am currently working; highly enjoyable and somewhat simple in structure; repetitive so to speak).
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/14/09 06:31 PM

I love "Theme from the Overture". So beautiful. :3hearts:
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/14/09 07:29 PM

To Key Notes:

It is certainly a nice piece. I want to correct something about which I misspoke. I took a look back and actually after Light and Blue you have Hungarian Rhapsody and Morning has Broken. They are both fine pieces. There are only three which I did not enjoy: Alexander's Ragtime Band, La Bamba, and La Raspa. I spent nearly a week at two hours or so a day practicing La Bamba and still could not play it "well". Those experiences overshadowed everything else in the general vicinity of such.
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/14/09 08:08 PM

Thanks Waltz, not a problem. I did noticed that La Bamba was five songs away still for me, but figured that anything before that could also be potential problems for me regardless of how nice, or not, they may sound, so not to worry. Thanks for the heads-up and clarifications though.

Now you've got me even more curious about those challenging pieces.

Key Notes \:\)
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/14/09 09:07 PM

Key Notes,

Alexander's Ragtime Band was fairly easy to play; the reason I did not care for it was because it was a little dull and perhaps even "childish" in sound and rhythm. La Raspa is a traditional and easily recognizable piece and it wasn't too hard to play. I enjoyed it at first but as I tried to "clean" it up it grew rather irritating (perhaps also due to the fact that it succeeded La Bamba :p ). La Bamba was the major challenge and also was clunky and a drag to have to learn.

I am on Scherzo now and loving it \:\) .

How quickly are you playing Theme from Overture? I fist learned it at an Andante tempo. Later I sped it up slightly after hearing a performance of it at a faster pace. I am interested to know what your thoughts of it are.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/15/09 01:12 PM

Finished up Scherzo and am currently on Introduction and Dance. Sounds oddly like the Rolling Stone's "Paint it, Black". Is there a connection? Wiki wouldn't tell me ;\) .

TTigg,

I listened to your performance of "At Sunrise". It was marvelous, a job very well done.
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/16/09 12:07 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Waltz:
Key Notes,

Alexander's Ragtime Band was fairly easy to play; the reason I did not care for it was because it was a little dull and perhaps even "childish" in sound and rhythm. La Raspa is a traditional and easily recognizable piece and it wasn't too hard to play. I enjoyed it at first but as I tried to "clean" it up it grew rather irritating (perhaps also due to the fact that it succeeded La Bamba :p ). La Bamba was the major challenge and also was clunky and a drag to have to learn.

I am on Scherzo now and loving it \:\) .

How quickly are you playing Theme from Overture? I fist learned it at an Andante tempo. Later I sped it up slightly after hearing a performance of it at a faster pace. I am interested to know what your thoughts of it are. [/b]
Waltz,

Interesting to know, and I'm glad that you enjoyed Scherzo.

In regards to Theme from the Overture, I was quite slow to moderately slow yesterday when I first started working on it, but today I've managed to get a recording of it at an Andante tempo I believed (I'm not sure).

I've also watched a couple of YouTube video performances, and decided that I still like to play it at either Andante or even slightly slower (Adagio 66-76 bpm?), with some extra emphasis and dynamic accents on the last two notes in each measures of the melody lines, as well as play them slightly legato instead of staccato as indicated.

Being such a beginner, I'm not sure if this is the best or correct way of playing this piece, but I do like the sound of it. \:\) In fact, I'm quite thankful for anything that I can play that would resemble a recognizable piece of music, since I've only begun on this piano journey 11 months ago.

Thanks for asking and happy playing to you.

Key Notes \:\)
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/16/09 02:05 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Waltz:
Finished up Scherzo and am currently on Introduction and Dance. Sounds oddly like the Rolling Stone's "Paint it, Black". Is there a connection? Wiki wouldn't tell me ;\) .

TTigg,

I listened to your performance of "At Sunrise". It was marvelous, a job very well done. [/b]
Thanks..

My 1st recital (online) and I can see I'm going to have to invest in one of these Zoom things. The other pieces I'm hearing sound "amazing!"
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/16/09 02:28 AM

TTigg,

Congratulations on your very first ABF recital! I just listened to your piece as well. It's beautiful, and beautifully played. You surely deserved that Zoom.

Cheers!

Key Notes \:\)
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/16/09 07:40 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Waltz:
Finished up Scherzo and am currently on Introduction and Dance. Sounds oddly like the Rolling Stone's "Paint it, Black". Is there a connection? Wiki wouldn't tell me ;\) .[/b]
I don't know about any connection with "Paint it, Black", but its definitely the tune used for "Those were the Days": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5pkkAhETYg

Undone
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/16/09 09:13 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Key Notes:
TTigg,

Congratulations on your very first ABF recital! I just listened to your piece as well. It's beautiful, and beautifully played. You surely deserved that Zoom.

Cheers!

Key Notes \:\) [/b]
Thanks Key Notes. I'm quickly learning that even though we are our own worse critics (didn't like this, or didn't like that) it's great to get the "pats on the back" form our peers. It's especially great to get them from those who've been playing for a lot longer than me.

Finally starting my "Piano" journey was one thing, it's been so much more of a richer experience with the help/feedback/encouragement from ABF!
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/16/09 01:03 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Undone:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Waltz:
Finished up Scherzo and am currently on Introduction and Dance. Sounds oddly like the Rolling Stone's "Paint it, Black". Is there a connection? Wiki wouldn't tell me ;\) .[/b]
I don't know about any connection with "Paint it, Black", but its definitely the tune used for "Those were the Days": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5pkkAhETYg

Undone [/b]
Thanks for the reply. The adagio "portion" is where the Paint it, Black similarities (at least supposed) were for me. Perhaps I'm speaking nonsense.
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/16/09 11:28 PM

Hi, Can someone please tell me how I should be playing the final (ending) chords in the piece "Light and Blue" on pg. 17 as "Tremolo"? I haven't encounter this technique before so I just wanted to make sure that I'm learning it correctly.

I listened to John Frank's example posted on the first page of this thread (very nice btw JF), as well as try to look for some YouTube videos but couldn't find any.

I recognized that they have an illustration at the bottom right hand corner of pg. 17, and it looks like I should be playing the notes seperately, kind of like an Arpeggio style? Except in this case, play the bB and the D at the same time for the right hand, then the E?

And for the left hand, play the low C first, then the high C?

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Key Notes \:\)
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/17/09 07:08 AM

Key Notes, I don’t have my music here with me right now but I think I know what you are referring to (or I might be completely off base). I think you have the right idea as far as how the notes are sounded. The fun part comes when you quickly alternate between the high and low notes with each hand. It’s more of a wrist action then a finger action. To start out with you could just play two notes with each hand (1st and 5th fingers) and just keep them going back and forth, then add the additional key to the right hand. Think of a “drum roll” sort of action.

Here’s one clip I found showing how to play a Tremolo with one hand (in a different song): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEvBiwxpids Just do the same thing with both hands, add the extra note, and your all set. \:\)

Undone
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/17/09 09:01 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Key Notes:
Hi, Can someone please tell me how I should be playing the final (ending) chords in the piece "Light and Blue" on pg. 17 as "Tremolo"? I haven't encounter this technique before so I just wanted to make sure that I'm learning it correctly.

I listened to John Frank's example posted on the first page of this thread (very nice btw JF), as well as try to look for some YouTube videos but couldn't find any.

I recognized that they have an illustration at the bottom right hand corner of pg. 17, and it looks like I should be playing the notes seperately, kind of like an Arpeggio style? Except in this case, play the bB and the D at the same time for the right hand, then the E?

And for the left hand, play the low C first, then the high C?

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Key Notes \:\) [/b]
Hey Keynotes,
Take a look at this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vO-FeKJtBs&feature=PlayList&p=4686052E0911DF9C&index=64

I've been following Alex's videos a guide for quite a while. He doesn't have 100% of the #2 videos done but I'd say he's got 90% of them \:\)

Enjoy....
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/17/09 01:12 PM

Out of curiosity: is the final piece Canon in D a simplified version (beginner) or a "modified" version (changed but not necessarily easier) of the original?
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/17/09 03:08 PM

Thank you so much Undone and TTigg for your quick replies and informations, I truly appreciate it. I'll have to check them out closely once I get home this evening.

Have a fabulous day!

Key Notes \:\)
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/17/09 04:16 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Waltz:
Out of curiosity: is the final piece Canon in D a simplified version (beginner) or a "modified" version (changed but not necessarily easier) of the original? [/b]
Waltz, Pachelbel’s Canon in D was not written for piano, so all piano music that you find for it will be a “modified” version. As for whether it’s “simplified” or not, I don’t know how to answer that (maybe someone else does), it’s simpler then some transcriptions I’ve heard but not as simple as others.

Undone
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/18/09 01:03 AM

Wow! Undone and TTigg, It's so much fun trying out this new technique. And I was so amused by my beginner's attempts and at the level of difficulties of these new wrists and fingers acrobatics that I was actually laughing at myself while trying it out.

I can get one hand or the other going just fine (the left is a bit better then the right for some strange reason eventhough I'm right handed), but as soon as I try to put them together, everything goes haywire. \:D I know, it's the same story many of you have heard before. Coordination is definitely the key here as well. But by keeping in mind Undone's fabulous instructions on the "drum roll" effect, and that it's more of a wrist action rather than fingers made such a big difference.

I can see why Mrs. Wong would mentioned that it may requires years of practice to perfect, as well as recommended that if your wrists and fingers feels tired, that you should take a break or stop. Eventhough my hands can reach an octave just fine, albeit closer towards the tips of the white keys, my fingers got kind of cramped up. \:D A lot more practice obviously are required before I can find the correct and comfortable hands positions in order for them to be able to relax.

Many thanks once again to you Undone and TTigg, as well as to Yoke Wong and PianoNoobAlexMan for the excellent examples.

Best regards,

Key Notes \:\)
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/19/09 07:09 PM

Alex's videos are an invaluable reference and he is a talented player. However, the tempo in his performances tends to be fast. Of course, there are many valid ways of interpreting music but I would not feel obligated to consistently play at his speed. I just finished up Introduction and dance and I played the beginning portion (marked adagio) at a much slower pace than did he.

When I was on Light and Blue I also viewed his video as an example of tremolo; he does it well.
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/21/09 12:52 AM

Finally got my "pass" on Battle Hym (phew) those switches between hands were challenging for sure!

Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/21/09 06:08 PM

Congrats TTig, you are very talented. When you say "pass" do you mean your intructor's or your own?
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/21/09 09:33 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Waltz:
Congrats TTig, you are very talented. When you say "pass" do you mean your intructor's or your own? [/b]
My teacher Elena \:\)
Posted by: rwvaldivia

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/24/09 07:26 AM

Hello everyone! This is my first post in this forum! Sorry my bad english, but this is not my primary language. I'm a very and very beginner starting in November 2008!! I study piano in 1993 but only for some months.

I'm using Leila Fletcher book 2 with my teatcher and other braziliam book from Mario Mascarenhas called "Duas maozinhas no teclado" (Two litle hands on the keyboard" - this title is hilarious, hehe). This is a two good books but, after reading some posts here I decide try Alfreds Book 2 and I order it on Amazon!!!!

I think this wonderfull study method! I upload the "Down The Valley" and apreciate your comments!!

http://www.youtube.com/rwvaldivia
tks a lot!
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/24/09 07:58 AM

Hello rwvaldivia and welcome to the forum! When I read your post I was wondering why you decided to skip over Alfred’s Book 1 and go right to Book 2. Then I watched your youtube piece and understood why. Great job, and after only four months!

One small thing I picked up on (and I don’t have the music here in front of me right now); there are a few places where you are playing the same note with the right hand twice. I think these may be tied and the note should only be sounded once. It’s just in a few of measures, if you listen to the version of this piece that is posted on page one of this thread, I think you’ll hear what I’m talking about.

You’re making fantastic progress in a very short amount of time. I look forward to hearing more.

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/24/09 01:07 PM

Welcome rwvaldivia. Nice performance of Down in the Valley. I think Bridal Chorus is next; lovely piece ;\) .
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/24/09 01:15 PM

Welcome to the dark side \:\)
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/26/09 12:40 AM

Welcome rwvaldivia. I'm a beginner who have just recently started with book 2 myself. I enjoyed listening to your performance of "Down the Valley".

Best of luck to you.

Key Notes \:\)
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/26/09 12:41 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by TTigg:
Welcome to the dark side \:\) [/b]
:D
Posted by: rwvaldivia

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/26/09 06:00 AM

Hey!! Hello!! tks for your comments!

Undone: you are right! I'm playing some notes twice. Now I work to solve this! tks so much to your comment! But about my progress I think this is just a luck. Down the Valley have the same patterns what I study with my teacher, them it's was simple. Is true I'm very obstinate. I pratice every day 2 hours after my work. My wife say: "thus you go to have a tendinite soon" hehe... My answer is: "no pain, no gain" \:\)

Waltz: I don't know if Bridal Chorus is the next. I still did not receive my book. I'm studing with the samples (Amazon show the first pages to the some books, and I download them). But I'm studing it now, very slow. It's hard to me \:\)

TTig: tks! hei, nobody said that this is the dark side! hehehe

Key Notes: realy do you start the book 2 too? Cool... If you have a mp3 or video on-line I would like to see/listen \:\)

Brazilian hugs to all!
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/27/09 04:24 PM

Welcome back.
Posted by: rwvaldivia

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/27/09 07:43 PM

Anyone know explain what diference in "Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 " and "Alfred's Basic Adult Piano Course, All-In-One, Level 2" ?!?!?!
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/27/09 09:15 PM

rwvaldivia,

I have never actually flipped through the Basic edition (I use the All-In-One) but I have read other's descriptions of it and from what I have surmised it is shorter in length with fewer pieces and lacks the theory aspect that makes the All-in-One a true All-In-One package. If I am wrong someone please correct me smile .

BTW. I am on "Calypso Carnival" now. After "Intro and Dance" there was a streak of easier pieces (mostly in G major/E minor). However, Calypso Carnival is not easy and is in D major (two accidentals).
Posted by: rwvaldivia

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/28/09 07:59 AM

Hey Waltz,

I listen "Calipso Carnival" in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djf7jwkTDRo. It's very quick piece! How you say, is not easy... good luck!! smile
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/28/09 03:09 PM

As an update, I prematurely reacted to CC. It actually isn't so hard to play after a few hours of practice (although it certainly is at first). I nearly have it down but I have a quick question:

What is meant by the designation mf-p? Does this mean a decrescendo or to simply pick between mezzo forte and piano? Thanks,

Waltz.
Posted by: rwvaldivia

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/28/09 07:05 PM

Well,

mf-p it's mezzo forte but not piano!! How you say, "pick between mezzo forte and piano" smile
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 02/28/09 08:42 PM

Huh?
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/01/09 12:45 AM

Ooh, nice new visuals. smile

Originally Posted By: rwvaldivia

Key Notes: realy do you start the book 2 too? Cool... If you have a mp3 or video on-line I would like to see/listen smile


Hi rwvaldivia,

Thanks for asking but I'm not that good, or that brave yet so I don't have any mp3 or videos to show you, but I did uploaded and shared a piece from the Alfred's Adult AIO, level 1 book last month in January when I finished with that book via www.box.net, and here it is. I hope that you'll enjoy it.

Scarborough Fair

Cheers,

Key Notes smile
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/01/09 08:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
What is meant by the designation mf-p? Does this mean a decrescendo or to simply pick between mezzo forte and piano? Thanks,

Waltz.


Walts, mf-p means to play it mezzo forte (mf) the first time through and piano (p) the second time through.

Undone
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/01/09 09:34 AM

Hey gang,

I was finally able to give myself a “pass” on “Ballin’ the Jack”. It took me a long time to complete this one, but not for the reasons I would have thought. There were a few tricky spots in this piece that took some time to get down, but this didn’t take as long as I thought it might. Instead, what took all the time was simply trying to play through the entire piece, with the repeats, without making any major mistakes or having any long out of place pauses. It’s easy to hit a wrong note in this one – your hands are often performing quite different tasks at the same time. Anyway, here it is:

Ballin' the Jack

While working on this piece I also managed to complete “Nobody Knows the Trouble I’ve Seen” and “La Donna E Mobile” is well underway. I just started on “Frankie and Johnny” and was glad I spent the time to get the level 2 version of “He’s Got the Whole World in His Hands” down since they both use the same rhythm and bass progression.

Undone
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/01/09 10:47 AM

Checking in to say "Hello" and this week = La Donna E Mobile Rigoletto. I keep telling myself Sunday is my biggest day to practice and try to get a heads up for the week prior to Thursday's lesson.

Gotta step away from David N (Wonderland) and get going on the lesson stuff (lol)

cool
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/01/09 01:56 PM

Thanks Undone. I wish they'd give reminders. How long have you been on book 2?
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/01/09 06:16 PM

Hi Undone,

Nice job on "Ballin the Jack". It sounded like it would be a very fun piece to learn to play with its upbeat rhythms and all. Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed it. smile

And just a bit of an update from my side. I'm now able to get the tremolo ending part of "Light and Blue" piece to sound a bit better now, as well as currently working on another supplimental piece from my Richard Clayderman Anthology book. Still having such a wonderful time whenever I do sit down at the piano.

Best,

Key Notes smile
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/03/09 08:33 AM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Thanks Undone. I wish they'd give reminders. How long have you been on book 2?


Waltz, I've been working on book 2 for about 10 months now. I've also been working on scales and a number of other supplemental pieces during this time frame.

Undone
Posted by: dukeofhesse

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/03/09 03:38 PM

Please forgive me if this question has been asked and answered before in this thread but I gave up trying to search for it.

I am about a month or so from finishing Alfred's Self Teaching Course level one which corresponds/is almost identical to the All in One level one book. My question is; how does the level two, or book two compare to the level one book? Does it seem to just pick up where the other left off, does it seem harder, easier or just new and different?

I've been assuming it would just be like going from one grade to the next in elementary school. Any opinions? Thanks.
Once again, sorry if this is a redundant question.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/03/09 07:47 PM

Undone,
Your time spent certainly reflects your uploaded performances (absolutely top notch).

dukeofhesse,
You're grade level analogy is mostly accurate. However (IMHO) book one would be equivalent to the 8th grade (yes, not elementary, sorry to deviate) while book two is the whole of high school (grades 9 - 12). Book two will (more than likely) take much, much more time and effort (and frustration).
Posted by: DarenO

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/03/09 08:22 PM

I have completed Book Two and am impressed with the selection of Alfred's music throughout. We must remember we do not have to necessarily "like" the music but rather learn what is being spoon fed to us and progress from it.

I found the Alfred books great in that regard. I started into Book Three but soon found out I was at my maximum capability due to my age and other factors. So now I pick and choose tunes in the blues genre, which I enjoy, but I still go back and play tunes from Alfred, such as The Entertainer, Amazing Grace, Canon in D, Frankie and Johnnie and so on.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/03/09 09:26 PM

DarenO, could you elaborate why you felt you were at your maximum capability? Congrats on completing book 2; regardless, that is an accomplishment of which to be proud.
Posted by: DarenO

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/03/09 10:00 PM

Hello Waltz, possibly that was an exaggeration. It was actually Canon in D at the end of Book Two that took me quite awhile to play it reasonably well. So I thought that the pieces in Book Three would be more difficult. Part of the problem was that I have had an injury to three fingers on my right hand that makes the measures on the last page of Canon hard to finger apart from some pain. On looking through Book Threee however I see many pieces I am sure I could learn.

The other problem is that I started piano when I was 72 without having had any musical training prior to that and now into my 4th year I fully realize I have no natural talent. If I had known it was going to be this difficult I probably would never have started. The reason I started the piano and took lessons was so that I could learn to play some blues. So at this point I am putting Alfred aside and trying some blues tunes as well as some boogie my teacher has picked out for me. My fingers can't move fast enough for boogie so after awhile I may return to Alfred!

As for what you are studying ... classic ... no way for me but best wishes to you.

Daren T
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/03/09 10:24 PM

I understand now and I am sorry to hear of your injury. It is not fun to aggravate an injury, even if while doing something you love. Do you plan on doing blues/boogie lesson books or will you and your teacher pick pieces from various sources?
Posted by: DarenO

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/03/09 10:41 PM

I really don't want to get into a "course" for blues although I did check one out on the Internet offered by Willie Myette as well as the David Sudnow Method. No, I will look for some fairly simple arrangements that do not include four finger chords. My teacher, a wonderful young lady, who has a university degree in music and has her own band, will help me choose pieces within my level of competence.

However, Waltz, if you know of any good pieces or source on the Internet I would appreciate hearing from you.

Cheers!
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/04/09 06:31 PM

DarenO, I don't know of any but I'll be on the look out laugh ; love to hear some future blues recordings, if you record any in the future be sure to post them here!

Best,

Waltz
Posted by: Bihua

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/05/09 08:42 AM

Hi all,

I have completed the Alfred's Basic Adult Piano Course Book #1, but my teacher decided to start me on the ABRSM syllabus and stop this series of books, starting from Grade 1. Anyone of you did the same after you completed Book #1, or Book #2? She says that this series are not good enough for a serious learner, and usually adult books move very quickly into music with little emphasis on techniques. What are your thoughts?
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/05/09 07:37 PM

Well, if you want to be a concert pianist then Alfred's may not be "serious" enough. However, I consider myself a serious learner and I'm using Alfred's. I'm considering buying the ABRSM's level 2 materials after my completion of Book 2.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/06/09 06:50 PM

Currently on Circus March. Introduction to the chromatic scale. I enjoyed Brahms's Lullaby. Village Dance was certainly fun to "bang" out (also chromatic scale intro). Lonesome Road only took around fifteen minutes to learn yet is very pretty to play.

Ttigg, Key Notes, and Undone: How are you all doing? Any updates?
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/06/09 06:58 PM

Howdy Waltz..

This week I'm moving onto Franky & Johnny and Walt (hehe) in G Major. Very close to the end of #2 now but I know that the last couple of songs (specially Canon in D) is going to take a little longer..

Also looking forward to some of the ending theory in #2 covering circle of fiths etc. thumb
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/07/09 01:30 PM

Very nice; how long do you anticipate working on Canon in D?
Posted by: Bihua

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/07/09 10:55 PM

The Canon in D in this book is very nice, I tried. But unfortunately, it is not the original version, which I like it more. Wonder how more years of learning will it take before I can play the real Canon in D....
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/08/09 10:38 AM

Not sure really,
I'd hope no longer than 2wks but we'll see. I also purchased a different version (full version) of Canon in D so I may just switch to that (with my teachers permission) and use this to "end the book with"
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/09/09 12:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Currently on Circus March. Introduction to the chromatic scale. I enjoyed Brahms's Lullaby. Village Dance was certainly fun to "bang" out (also chromatic scale intro). Lonesome Road only took around fifteen minutes to learn yet is very pretty to play.

Ttigg, Key Notes, and Undone: How are you all doing? Any updates?


Hi Waltz,

Sounds like you're moving along nicely, that's fabulous. Hmm, Lonesome Road took only 15 minutes, and yet pretty to play(?) I'm looking forward to it.

As for me, I've been revisiting and enjoying some of the older pieces from book 1, as well as focusing on polishing up on a couple of old pieces from book 2 such as Guantanamera and Overture. I've also managed to bring up the tempos of Light and Blue, minus a couple of mistakes towards the end of the second repeats (which drives me crazy) grin,
and with a pretty decent ending of the tremolo part as well. Plus, I'm also working on a piece called "Marriage D'amour" by Paul De Senneville, from Richard Clayderman's Anthology book.

I've found that it takes me just a bit longer to get my fingers to catch on to playing the rhythms of the blues style music eventhough my brain and hearing can register them just fine, as it also did in some of the blues pieces in book 1. But once I figured them out, they're so much fun to play.

I'm really enjoying Light and Blue right now, eventhough I should really be moving along to Hugarian Rhapsody No. 2 because I've already gotten a few runs through without any mistakes now. But because I also know that it doesn't mean that I played them perfectly, I guess I'm still working on it. Although, my left wrist have gotten quite exhausted by the many hours that I've put into it. Maybe I should give this song and my wrist a break by moving on to the next song. After all, I can always go back to it later on.

Well, onward and upwards. Happy playing to you and everyone.

Key Notes smile
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/09/09 01:33 PM

By learning Lonesome Road in 15 minutes I certainly do not mean by memory. What I did mean is that I could practically sight read the piece after little practice (the piece is RH broken cords while the LH is introduced to a new (and not incredibly challenging...) technique).

I made a video recording of a non Alfred's piece and put it on youtube. Would anyone like to view it? Let me know. (I don't have a midi cord for my Clav. so that is the best I can do smile )

Waltz
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/09/09 09:53 PM

I've been away from the forum for awhile, but since I put a recording of Guantanamera on the blog, I figured I would post it here. This is after two weeks, which means, by Alfred's standards, that is a long time (for me). I had quite a bit of difficulty with this, especially at first.

http://www.box.net/shared/b8ffm1e5xj

Unless my math fails me, there are 66 pieces in my Alfred's Book two, which means a little more than 5 per month to get that done in a year. Might take me a little longer than that.
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/09/09 09:55 PM

Keynotes, it looks like you are about 2 weeks ahead of me. A peer! I'm excited!

My teacher took a look at Light and Blue this evening and suggested we wait a week before trying it. I still don't quite have the Raymond Overture down just yet. Any suggestions, now that L&B is in your rear view mirror?
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/10/09 07:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
I made a video recording of a non Alfred's piece and put it on youtube. Would anyone like to view it? Let me know. (I don't have a midi cord for my Clav. so that is the best I can do smile )


Waltz, by all means, please go ahead and post the link. I for one would enjoy seeing it.

Undone
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/10/09 07:54 AM

AWTPP, Great job on Guantanamera! I found this piece to be rather tricky to get down too. When I first started practicing it, I hated it, but by the time I had it down, I really enjoyed playing it. That has happened to me quite a few times as I work my way through Alfred’s.

Undone
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/10/09 08:55 AM

Thank you. And yeah, that's what happened to me. When she assigned it, the teacher warned me we'd probably be spending a couple weeks on it. I had already tinkered a little, didn't like it, and said to myself, "Oh no we won't, not on this piece, it's too annoying to spend two weeks on." (Yes, when I talk to myself, I sometimes end sentences with prepositions.) She was right. And by the second week, when I could actually pay attention to things like dynamic markings and pedaling (which I seem to have forgotten on my recording), it was more fun.

Good thing, too, because there seem to be several similar pieces in the coming weeks. Correct me if I am wrong there.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/10/09 01:35 PM

AWTPP, I liked your performance as well, a job well done!

Here is the link to my rendition of Little Serenade by Joseph Haydn. It was one of the "50 Greats for the Piano" as published by Yamaha:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5dXwaptXag
Posted by: wj3

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/10/09 11:26 PM

Good job Waltz. I enjoyed it. Keep the videos coming.....

Walt
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/11/09 01:57 AM

very nicely played! thumb
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/11/09 08:14 AM

Very nice Waltz! I enjoyed listening to that selection. One thing though; you need to find something a little more stable to hold the camera – things were getting a little wobbly there are times. laugh laugh laugh

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/11/09 01:30 PM

Walt, Ttigg, Undone:

Thanks so much, it means a lot to hear positive remarks. I totally agree Undone; it was more like a minor earthquake smile .

Waltz
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/12/09 12:24 AM

What a lovely piece. Nice job Waltz. Other than the shaking from the earthquake, grin which made me a bit dizzy, I really enjoyed it.

Thanks for sharing it with us.

Key Notes smile
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/12/09 02:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Always Wanted to Play Piano
Keynotes, it looks like you are about 2 weeks ahead of me. A peer! I'm excited!

My teacher took a look at Light and Blue this evening and suggested we wait a week before trying it. I still don't quite have the Raymond Overture down just yet. Any suggestions, now that L&B is in your rear view mirror?



Hi AWtPTP,

Welcome back! And to book 2 thread. It's very nice hearing from you again and certainly glad that you've decided to join us here as well.

Sounds like your progress has been moving along quite nicely, that's fabulous! I also enjoyed your wonderful performance of Guantanamera. Thanks for sharing it with us.

In terms of suggestions for Light and Blue. Hm, I'm not so sure that I would be the person who's good enough or qualify enough to give you any great suggestions, but what I did noticed was asides from having the blues' rhythms and tempos, one of the main technical characteristics and feature of this piece is all of its big 8va jumps.

While they are lot of fun to play, I've found that I had to keep glancing down at my right hand whenever I come up to those 8va jumps, just to make sure that I'll land on the right keys/notes, whereas I don't have to do that with any of the other part of this song. Perhaps you'll have better luck with it.

Then, I've also selected to add in the optional tremolo style ending, which I didn't know how to do until Undone and TTigg came to the rescue and showed me the way with their wealth of knowledge and experiences. Basically it's like making your hands shake and tremble (thus tremolo) upon hitting those last five notes in the last measure, kind of like you're trying to do a drum roll effect. I'm sure that your teacher can also better demonstrate this technique to you as well, but in the mean time, check out these two videos that I received from Undone and TTigg.


Tremolo demonstation by Yoke Wong:




And although the over all tempo is a bit fast for my taste, here's PianoNoobAlexMan's interpretation of Light and Blue, which he also did the ending using the tremolo technique beautifully:



Good luck and have fun.

Key Notes smile
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/12/09 07:59 AM

AWTPTP & Key Notes - here's 2 versions of Light & Blue that I recorded some time back, which might give you some ideas about what to do with this fun piece - this was one of my favorite Book 2 pieces which I have long since memorized and still play once in awhile just for the sheer joy of it - the "modified" version below has a new opening (just a short run found elsewhere in the piece as a transition), a double repeat of a certain key measure (this happens twice) and an enhanced ending - hope you enjoy and that this is remotely helpful!

Regards, JF

Light & Blue (Book Version)

Light & Blue (Modified)
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/12/09 01:31 PM

Thanks Key Notes smile : sorry again for the shaking camera (resting it on the piano is a mistake), I’ll search for a solution (ie a non piano stand) for any future recordings and I’ll try to do some Alfred’s pieces so we can all relate.

John Frank: Your modified version of L and B was great; I really enjoyed your alterations.

Update time:
I started Night Song (Nocturne) today. Circus March had some dynamics that were slightly tricky but overall wasn’t so bad (and is a recognizable tune).

As for Hokey Pokey: going in my expectations were very, very low. I had read (from previous generations on this thread) that it was frustrating and not appealing to play (ie La Bamba all over again frown ). The LH staccato and RH long-short style legato melody combination was difficult at the beginning but my hands (the team) eventually cooperated. Afterwards, I actually found myself enjoying playing this worn tune.

As for Night Song: it is absolutely beautiful to play thus far. There is a concise preamble stating it is “easier than it looks/sounds”. This is true (surprisingly); it is a simple chord inversion progression (at least the first half).
Posted by: crystalncrew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/12/09 02:07 PM

How proficient do you all get before you move on to the next song? Do you memorize? I'm thinking getting good enough to play with the cd maybe? I'm progressing through(slowly) but I'm not sure if I need to sit on the pieces a little longer or not. Thanks!
Crystal
Posted by: mmikle

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/12/09 08:33 PM

do you know where i could find or purchase the sheets for waltz in g minor or do I have to buy the whole book
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/12/09 09:32 PM

Originally Posted By: crystalncrew
How proficient do you all get before you move on to the next song? Do you memorize? I'm thinking getting good enough to play with the cd maybe? I'm progressing through(slowly) but I'm not sure if I need to sit on the pieces a little longer or not. Thanks!
Crystal

I think it depends on your goals and personal ability. If your goal is strictly to “learn” then I don’t see the utility in “memorizing” a piece (that is, committing it to memory without the aid of the sheet music). This is where I fall; I memorize the piece to the extent where I can play it with the music in front (a combination of motor memory and sight reading). If your goal is to build a repertoire of Alfred’s music then you may want to dedicate more time to “memorizing” pieces (to play in front of friends/family etc.). I do, however, spend disproportionate amounts of time with pieces I feel are “challenge” pieces. Calypso Carnival has certain technical features that have kept me coming back to it nearly daily since I “passed” it. I could play it sufficiently then but now can do so much more smoothly and probably could play it strictly from motor “memory” if I was inclined to do such things. However, I am not. My goals are strictly learning to play. After Alfred’s I’ll build my repertoire, not during.
Posted by: crystalncrew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/13/09 05:15 AM

Thanks Waltz. Right now I am really focusing on some other seperate pieces but still going through the book. I am not giving it near the attention as the other pieces. That's also why I am moving slower but that's ok smile
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/13/09 09:39 AM

Originally Posted By: crystalncrew
How proficient do you all get before you move on to the next song? Do you memorize? I'm thinking getting good enough to play with the cd maybe? I'm progressing through(slowly) but I'm not sure if I need to sit on the pieces a little longer or not. Thanks!
Crystal


I don’t necessarily try to memorize any of my Alfred pieces before moving on (though sometimes it happens), but I do work on each piece until I am able to get a recording of it that I am happy with. Just what makes me “happy” with any individual recording may vary somewhat from piece to piece.

I found out early on that it was too easy to fool myself into thinking I “had a piece down” if I didn’t record it. I am not working with a teacher and only play for myself (and occasionally my friends here in ABF). Often a “little mistake here and there” would be easy to overlook (or then there’s my favorite “if I can play it through twice without making mistakes in the same place each time, then I’m done”), but by trying to get a decent recording of each piece before I move on, I know I’m not falling into these traps. Besides, I now have a nice collection of every Alfred piece I’ve completed and its fun to go back and listen to these from time to time to hear how I’ve progressed. smile

Some people consider this overkill and I won’t argue that. I would certainly be further along in the Alfred books if I allowed myself to move on once I thought I “learned enough” from each piece. As to whether my overall playing ability would be any further along or not - well who knows?

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/13/09 10:44 AM

Certainly: an important aspect of practicing/playing the piano is determined by one’s unique preference on their journey (versus simply ultimate goals). It will be a while before many of us will have the ability to learn our “dream” pieces so enjoying the voyage there is just as important as arriving (even though, personally, I tend travel with haste…) smile
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/13/09 11:44 AM

I made two new recordings of two recent Alfred's 2 pieces this morning and have now uploaded them. I will post the links this afternoon smile .
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/13/09 03:37 PM

Here is my rendition of Brahms's Lullaby:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sweV7I-7Nx8
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/13/09 03:40 PM

Here is my rendition of Calypso Carnival:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TpHoo55cuc

Mark... ,

There is no performance of this piece on page one. If you feel it is worthy I would certainly not mind if mine was used.
smile
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/14/09 12:26 AM

JF: Thanks for sharing your versions of Light and Blue. It's always helpful to be able to hear different interpretations of the same piece. I also enjoyed your modified version as well, especially the ending. smile

Waltz: Great job with your latest recordings! Calypso Carnival seems like it would be a fun and fast piece to play. Thanks for sharing.

Key Notes smile
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/14/09 02:05 AM

Originally Posted By: crystalncrew
How proficient do you all get before you move on to the next song? Do you memorize? I'm thinking getting good enough to play with the cd maybe? I'm progressing through(slowly) but I'm not sure if I need to sit on the pieces a little longer or not. Thanks!
Crystal


Hi crystalncrew,

I too, have similar interests and mentalities as Waltz and Undone when it comes to how much time I spend on any given piece. Since there are so many variables and factors for each of us, I believe that it would ultimately depends on you and your personal interests and goals.

Basically, I'll only move on if I felt that I've throroughly learned the intended theories and/or techniques presented in that particular lesson, and can play the piece quite well with both my body and fingers relaxed (yet upright), and with the correct rhythms and intended tempos. This can vary anywhere between a couple of hours to a couple of weeks per piece so far, depending on the levels of difficulties and how much time I spend on them (and I have to confess that I don't practice every single day blush). And while I don't try to intentionally memorize anything, it does come naturally for certain pieces through sheer repetitions.

I hope that our collective answers has helped you with your gauging somewhat.

Best regards,

Key Notes smile
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/14/09 02:09 AM

Originally Posted By: mmikle
do you know where i could find or purchase the sheets for waltz in g minor or do I have to buy the whole book


Hi mmikle,

Try this site.

http://www.sheetmusicplus.com
Posted by: crystalncrew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/14/09 06:59 AM

Thanks everyone! Undone, I might just try the whole recording thing. I think it's very easy to trick myself into thinking that I have a piece down but when the adrenaline picks up, I discover the truth shocked
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/14/09 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Key Notes


[b]Waltz:
Great job with your latest recordings! Calypso Carnival seems like it would be a fun and fast piece to play. Thanks for sharing.

Key Notes smile


Thanks! smile CC is kind of fun to play but easy to lose rhythm and make errors. You couldn't really see my LH due to the camera angle but throughout the entirety of the song it is stretched over an octave (and in staccato) which is tiring to practice. The tempo is "moderoto" but every version I heard online was played at a slightly faster tempo and I think it sounds more festive to play it quickly.

What is the latest on your progress? I'll be anxious to hear when you begin La Bamba crazy
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/15/09 11:08 AM

Waltz, I really enjoyed listening to your recordings of Brahms’s Lullaby and Calypso Carnival. Job well done! I particularly liked the Brahms piece and remember having to struggle a little to get the nice flowing sound that you demonstraite.

On Calypso Carnival, if your open to a little constructive critisisim from someone with absolutly no credentials to give such, I think it sounds a little bit rushed. It’s not that this piece can’t be played at that tempo, but while listening I get the feeling that your “pushing it” just a tad beyond your comfort level. I think those quarter notes (tied eigths) need to be held just a little longer so that it doesn’t sound like your in a hurry to get to the next phrase.

This of course is just nitpicking, you did a great job on this selection. I’m just trying to provide what I hope is some helpful feedback; the same sort of thing I would like to hear regarding my own recordings.

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/15/09 01:34 PM

Undone,

Actually, you are right on the money. The quarter notes were easy to "blow past" due to anticipation of the next section. Next time I practice the piece I'll try to slow the tempo down (maybe a little counting out loud :P ) and give the quarter notes their full value. Thanks for being honest and for the kind words smile
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/15/09 01:39 PM

Also Undone, if you still have your recording of Night Song I would love to hear it. I have heard multiple interpretations of the tempo and they all sound nice so I'm not sure exactly how quickly to play each section. The piece begins "andante moderato" eventually changing to "a little faster" and then "a little slower" . . . That's a little ambiguous haha.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/16/09 04:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Also Undone, if you still have your recording of Night Song I would love to hear it. I have heard multiple interpretations of the tempo and they all sound nice so I'm not sure exactly how quickly to play each section. The piece begins "andante moderato" eventually changing to "a little faster" and then "a little slower" . . . That's a little ambiguous haha.


Here you go Waltz. This is the recording of Night Song that I made back in July of last year. As you will hear, my interpretation was to take this piece much slower and to try and make it more “Nocturn-ish”. I found it to be a great piece to work on both feeling and expression (and to pretend I was playing a Chopin Nocturn at the time). smile

Night Song

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/16/09 08:03 PM

Undone,

Beautifully played! That is the slow counterpart I had hoped to hear (z32 and the other youtube video are at a much faster tempo). I gave myself the "pass" on Night Song yesterday (I may try to make a recording sometime, I don't know) and am now on Hava Nagila. If you finished Night Song ("halfway mark") in July is it safe to assume the difficulty of the second half is much higher? Thanks for posting the recording and great job once again!

W
Posted by: crystalncrew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/17/09 05:49 AM

Great Job Undone!
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/18/09 09:16 AM

Waltz, yes, I found that the pieces in the second half of Alfred’s book 2 do keep getting more difficult to complete, in part because many are longer. But it’s also true that at about the time I was finishing Night Song, I also started working a lot more on supplemental pieces and that certainly slowed my progress in Alfred’s quite a bit.

Oh, and by the way, Hava Nagila was definitely one of those songs that took a long time for me to complete (at an appropriately quick tempo), but it’s also one that’s a lot of fun to play.

Undone
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/18/09 09:34 AM

Two questions on Light and Blue:

1. What is a "moderate blues tempo"?
2. How do you keep the LH from sounding like it is just droning on and on... when I get to about measures 13-18, that left and part just gets annoyingly repetitive. Perhaps this improves as I quicken the tempo?
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/18/09 01:09 PM

Undone,
I concur about Hava Nagila being fun to play, I generally end up bouncing my left leg to the rhythm as I play. The only gripes I have are that my left hand fatigues as I practice and for the "third movement" (please forgive the liberal use of the term) Alfred's suggests A and C to be played with 3 and 1 respectively: that hurts my hand haha.

AWTPP,
AlexMan's youtube video of L and B is a tad on the fast end of the tempo spectrum (but it can be played that way if one wishes). Have you listened to John Frank's recording? His tempo feels "right" to me, but it is mostly up to the interpretation of the performer. I am not sure exactly how "moderate blues tempo" would be strictly defined: to me it is slightly ambiguous (as are much of Alfred 2's written tempos).
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/18/09 01:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Always Wanted to Play Piano
Two questions on Light and Blue:

1. What is a "moderate blues tempo"?
2. How do you keep the LH from sounding like it is just droning on and on... when I get to about measures 13-18, that left and part just gets annoyingly repetitive. Perhaps this improves as I quicken the tempo?


AWTPP - a "moderate" blues tempo might be in the range of 80-100 bpm, or at least that's how it sounded good to me - I used to listen to a lot of blues and have a fairly large CD collection - I played my versions at 90 bpm (see back on page 32 of this thread).

The left hand part is what it is and it'll sound the same no matter what the tempo - it was designed to be simple and serve as a drone against which the RH melody is a sharp contrast - but the basic LH pattern is actually broken at several points, which does break up the monotony somewhat - instead of fighting it go with it, tone it down and let the RH dominate as it should - or get creative and invent your own LH variations - and enjoy the music!

Regards, JF
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/18/09 09:53 PM

Just checking in, working on Theme from Symphony No.6 ( 1st Movement ) this week. Sounds a little muddy so I gotta "polish" it off before tomorrow's lesson. Also finding this a little challenging on the dynamics but that'll come..

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Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/19/09 07:32 AM

TTigg, How did you find Waltz in G Major? I’m on this one now, and have also started on Symphony No. 6. I like Waltz, but its gong to take some time before I’ll be finished with it. I suspect I’ll finish Symphony first.

Undone
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/19/09 09:21 AM

Originally Posted By: Undone
TTigg, How did you find Waltz in G Major? I’m on this one now, and have also started on Symphony No. 6. I like Waltz, but its gong to take some time before I’ll be finished with it. I suspect I’ll finish Symphony first.

Undone


Not in my book #2 (not the all-in-one). For #3 the only option was all-in-one and it's not often the 2 books don't have the same stuff.

From looking @Alex's video it looks nice, complicated, but nice. I would agree you'll finish Symphony first

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Posted by: Sundew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/19/09 10:02 AM

Re The LH in Light and Blue. If you look at the score you will see the bass line is 12 bars repeated. It follows a standard 12 bar blues chord progression of a definite pattern, which is very slightly different to the pattern introduced in Book 1 with Got Those Blues.

Light and Blue
Pattern I , IV , I , I , IV , IV , I , I , V7 , IV , I , V7

Got those blues
Pattern I , I , I , I , IV , IV , I , I , V7 , IV , I , V7

Commas inserted merely to improve the spacing as the preview reply box seems to ignore repeated spaces.

Just thought I would throw that in. I've always enjoyed Light and Blue, as for tempo I play it at a tempo I am comfy with, a little bit faster than The Entertainer, which I don't play fast!

Good to hear the progress you are all making.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/19/09 02:12 PM

Ttigg, thanks for the update. Will you be making any recordings? If so I would love to hear.

Sundew, are you still in book 2?

W
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/19/09 02:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Ttigg, thanks for the update. Will you be making any recordings? If so I would love to hear.

Sundew, are you still in book 2?

W


Thanks blush I will be soon. Gotta work on putting together my "list" of stuff between the 2 books and I just picked up the Zoom H2 to mess about with thumb
Posted by: Sundew

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/19/09 07:02 PM

Hi Waltz, and the brief answer is "Yes", in so far as I abandoned Alfred some time ago in favour of original compositions. I recently began looking at Blues, hence the pedantry in my previous post,and decided to dust Alfred off. smile
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/19/09 08:32 PM

You all knew it was coming... My performance of Night Song recorded this evening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7edRoWhjU04

I tried to play at an "intermediate" pace somewhere in between Undone's and Z32's. There are a few shaky spots and I would appreciate any feedback. smile

W
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/20/09 10:02 AM

Loved it. thumb
I'm going to have to get a recording of mine done since I play at a different speed (which I liked when I was doing it) Of course it may be a "noob" butchery of the composers intended but hey, that's what some of us do, non intentionally of course cool
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/20/09 04:55 PM

Thanks Ttigg! This is such a pretty piece to play and probably my favorite in Alfred's 2 thus far. It can be played in many different tempos and they all sound so nice! I can't wait to hear your take on it smile .

W
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/20/09 05:55 PM

Waltz – Well, I still think it sounds better at a slower tempo, but that’s just personal preference. wink Seriously, I think you did a fantastic job technically with this piece. And the sometimes abrupt tempo changes certainly were dramatic! I think this is a wonderful piece to explore such interpretations. This is not a true classical piece (although it may sound like one) and as such it frees us from going back to some musty old tome to find out how “it should properly be played”. I really enjoyed listening to your take one this selection and think you did a bang up job at bringing your own feelings and personality to this “fun to play” entry.

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/20/09 07:02 PM

Thank you Undone, it means a lot to hear positive feedback from you. I probably won't make a recording of Hava Nagila due to the awkward page turning I have to do (plus it's so long; it would take too many takes to have one I'd want to show lol). Once again, it is very, very nice to hear positive remarks from everyone here on A#2!
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/21/09 08:31 PM

2nd Recording:

I'm sorry. The more I listened to my 1st recording of Night Song the more I agreed with Undone; so I decided to rerecord the piece at a slightly slower tempo. My main focus was on maintaining control and to have a more "nocturne flow" as opposed to rushed and wild. So here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve7U7wxQzfc

Let me know what you guys think! (if you can tolerate another video of mine smile )
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/21/09 10:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Originally Posted By: Key Notes


[b]Waltz:
Great job with your latest recordings! Calypso Carnival seems like it would be a fun and fast piece to play. Thanks for sharing.

Key Notes smile


Thanks! smile CC is kind of fun to play but easy to lose rhythm and make errors. You couldn't really see my LH due to the camera angle but throughout the entirety of the song it is stretched over an octave (and in staccato) which is tiring to practice. The tempo is "moderoto" but every version I heard online was played at a slightly faster tempo and I think it sounds more festive to play it quickly.

What is the latest on your progress? I'll be anxious to hear when you begin La Bamba crazy



Hi Waltz and Everyone:

I'm still three songs away from La Bamba, wink but Calypso Carnival sounded like it would be another one that'll give my left wrist a work-out, and Night Song will be another beautiful piece to learn.

Both you and Undone did a wonderful job with your Night Song recordings. I enjoyed listening to them, and especially liked the slower tempos and dynamics in Undone's version.

I've started with Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 earlier this past week, and managed to get it up to where I can play it hands together at a pretty good tempo. I absolutely love the piece and the run from measures 17 on through 33 (the ending). I can see where all of those thumbs over and under scales practices in book 1 comes in handy here. It's definitely challenging trying to do this smoothly while attempting to steadily increase the speed at the same time in that section. Although I had to stop and give my left wrist a break because it's still feeling the effect and twinges of exhaustions from too many straight hours of Light and Blue.

BTW, yesterday marked my one year anniversary since I've started on this wonderful journey, and while I may or may not be able to execute every single piece perfectly, I still can't believe that within a year I went from playing Jingle Bells to learning the first simpler pieces of Liszt. And still, there are so many more beautiful pieces of music waiting, and so little time and talents, (sigh...) well, lack of skills. grin

Cheers and take care everyone.

Key Notes smile
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/22/09 08:28 AM

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY KEY NOTES!

Undone
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/22/09 08:43 AM

Waltz – the updated recording sounds great! Once you have a piece like this down, the way you obviously do, it can be a lot of fun to experiment with different tempos, dynamics, and the like. Sometimes you can make it sound like two (or more) entirely different selections.

PS: The way I finally wound up dealing with the page turn in Hava Nagila was to simply memorize the first two pages. By the time I was anywhere near being finished with it, the memorization was no big deal (having played it so much).

Undone
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/22/09 08:52 AM

Undone,

Quote:
The way I finally wound up dealing with the page turn in Hava Nagila was to simply memorize the first two pages


Eeehm. Do you have a printer at home that can do photocopies??
That's how I usually solve page-turning issues... Just attach the 1 or 2 extra pages to your book with some cellotape so you can flip them open to have the whole score visible at once....

Ingrid (from the book 3 thread, but I do read here regularly)
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/22/09 02:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
2nd Recording:

I'm sorry. The more I listened to my 1st recording of Night Song the more I agreed with Undone; so I decided to rerecord the piece at a slightly slower tempo. My main focus was on maintaining control and to have a more "nocturne flow" as opposed to rushed and wild. So here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve7U7wxQzfc

Let me know what you guys think! (if you can tolerate another video of mine smile )

I rerecorded for the final time (3rd):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n8Zi9jzx14

This is just mainly for clarification since I took down the other two. This one still has some issues but I like it best (you guys don't have to watch again, but future AF2 generations may not like the "dead" links to the other two).

Hava Nagila has some difficult transitions to make on pages three and four. I can play each section well but the transitions don't generally go smoothly frown . Undone, you are right about memorization, I suppose I've been on HN for around 5 or 6 days now and the first two pages nearly happen by pure motor memory (I find myself nearly day dreaming while playing them wink ). Then pages 3 and 4 come and the dreaming ends.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/22/09 08:02 PM

Happy anniversary Key Notes smile
Posted by: rwvaldivia

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/22/09 08:07 PM

Quote:

I rerecorded for the final time (3rd):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n8Zi9jzx14


Wonderful Waltz!!! ... Maybe a day I will play like you!! smile
Posted by: rwvaldivia

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/22/09 08:16 PM

Hello everyone!!

I buy the Alfred Book level 2 - All in one, but only now I perceived the book do not come with the CD!!! Well, anyone know where I can donwload the music of this book? or if it is sold separately? I search in the google but without sucess!
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/22/09 09:05 PM

Thank you very much Undone and Waltz for your thoughtful congrats. smile

Waltz, I couldn't get your 3rd recording of Night Song YouTube link to work. I don't know what happen but I'm sure that it'll sound even better than the others.

Sundew and IngridT, Thank you for the visits and the tips and pointers. It's always so very nice to have such a wonderful network of support. smile

rwvaldivia, Welcome! You can purchase the accompanying CD to the AIO, level 2 book at amazon.com

Key Notes smile

Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/22/09 09:32 PM

rwvaldivia,

Thanks! smile Although, I listened to your video of Fur Elise and thought it was excellent as well (with great dynamics).

Thanks to you too Key Notes for the vote of confidence wink

W
Posted by: rwvaldivia

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/22/09 10:14 PM

Key Notes - tks a lot. Exactly what I need!

Happy anniversary!!!!!! smile
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/23/09 11:45 AM

Congrats on your year, Keynotes!

I'm a few weeks / months behind the rest of y'all. In fact, I have observed that I am completing about 2 pieces every three weeks. Unless my math fails me, that means it will take me almost two years to finish this book, assuming I complete all 66 pieces in it. This assumes I keep this pace up later in the book, when, as you have warned me, things become more difficult.

That said, here is the Raymond overture after two weeks. There is a slight hesitation at the end, but frankly, I don't like this enough to play it more, and grab a better recording. Light and Blue, on the other hand, I like quite a bit, but I am not yet ready to record it.

http://www.box.net/shared/9u0u5pzaq2
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/23/09 04:55 PM

AWTPP,

I thought you did a great job with the Overture. Even with the hesitation you still recovered nicely and finished well. Thanks for sharing your recording smile

W
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/23/09 10:47 PM

Thank you, Waltz!
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/24/09 07:52 AM

AWTPP – Nice job on the overture! I always liked this piece in Alfred’s, but I think I’m in the minority.

As far as how long it may take to complete book two; I think that completing 2 pieces every three weeks is a pretty fair pace. Just remember that as you progress through the book you will come across some pieces that seem “extra easy” and will take less time and then some that may take twice as long as “normal”.

Undone
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/24/09 07:54 AM

Where’s Undone?

Just in case anyone directs a comment or question at me over the next few days and wonders why I’m not responding – I’ll be away and “internet free” for the remainder of this week.

Undone
Posted by: mom3gram

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/24/09 08:44 AM

Nice playing, AWTPP, even with the slight hesitations.

Geez, if you think it will take you almost two years to complete level 2, it will probably take me three. To me, you seem to be moving along quite fast. I miss having you in "my" thread.
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/24/09 10:24 AM

mom3gram, I still visit periodically. I posted just yesterday, as you know. But the main difference between now and when I used to post quite often is that, now, I have a teacher. I think it has made a difference, but it's still early, I've only had maybe 5 or 6 lessons. I think the advantages build cumulatively.

Well, one other difference. Now that I am in full-time job hunt mode, I also have more time on my hands to fritter away on the Ap-200...
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/27/09 02:09 PM

Originally Posted By: John Frank


The left hand part is what it is and it'll sound the same no matter what the tempo - it was designed to be simple and serve as a drone against which the RH melody is a sharp contrast - but the basic LH pattern is actually broken at several points, which does break up the monotony somewhat - instead of fighting it go with it, tone it down and let the RH dominate as it should - or get creative and invent your own LH variations - and enjoy the music!

Regards, JF


So I did just that second time through. I am not much of an improvisation guy (some day maybe).

http://www.box.net/shared/c4l1v04o13
Posted by: jrcallan

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/27/09 08:08 PM

Sounds great. How'd you record from your AP 200?
Posted by: Wrenn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/28/09 08:06 AM

Hi guys, wanted to introduce myself and this thread seemed the appropriate place.

Like a lot of people here I played piano in high school (actually I did it for years 11 and 12 and played the Star Wars Theme for my HSC exam) then stopped playing when I went to uni and then got a job. Now 20 years later I found myself inspired by Ronald Jenkees infectious enthusiasm for music so I bought a Yamaha PSR-e413 keyboard, Alfreds book 1 and 2 and have been relearning how to play.

I never learnt theory or had lessons in the past, just taught myself enough to read music and memorize songs so I imagine my technique and knowledge of music wasn't good back then. This time I'm focusing on the theory a lot more and trying to focus more on sight reading and technique.

Initially I was devastated to find I couldn't remember a single note of any of the pieces I used to play 20 years ago, hehe, but then I was happy to find that I picked up things a lot faster than I expected. I got to the end of alfreds book 1 in 3.5 weeks and have started looking at the pieces in book 2. I haven't been learning these pieces to any kind of performance level though. Each practice session I work on each piece 2-3 times, just enough to get through them slowly with a few minor errors or pauses, unless its a new piece. That said I can play most of the pieces in book 1 now first or second time without too many mistakes. I am still working on a few of the later ones, mainly Scarborough Fair (always get stuck in two spots in this song), The Entertainer (starting to get better at this one but still a lot more work to go) and Amazing Grace (didnt like this one the first few times I tried it because it sounded nothing like what I thought it should but its sounding nicer now). The last two I cant get through smoothly at all yet.

So far in book 2 I have played up to Morning has Broken. I like the Bridal Chorus a lot for some reason, as well as Guantanamera but that one is still tricky in places. I wasnt sure about Overture but hearing AWTPP's version of it made me want to practice it more, nice playing ;-) I think Light and Blue will take me a while to get the hang of. I
only had the basic version of book 1 so haven't practiced thumb under stuff a lot yet and I seem to get confused about where my fingers are on the keyboard when I do that, but I guess I need to learn that rather than look at the keyboard and slide my hand back and forth as I have been doing.

See you later ;-)
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/28/09 05:00 PM

AWTPP,

Your performance of L & B was great! Keep the recordings coming smile

Wrenn,

Welcome; perhaps practicing scales would improve your coordination while doing "thumb under" maneuvers.

As a note on my progress:

I gave myself the pass on Hava Nagila. I spent around 15-20 hours total practicing it yet never played it to my satisfaction. However, I did reach the point where I felt I had "learned" the piece and that it was time to move on. I spent about a day and a half playing the next one, Space Shuttle Blues, and this morning gave myself the pass on it. I am now working on the Olympic Procession.

As a note on SSB: it is an introduction to the second inversion and has a "feel" similar to L & B. I did not find it hard to master and I don't think its worth recording.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/28/09 05:04 PM

So, I did make a recording of Hava Nagila. In no way do I endorse this as being the "proper" way of playing the song but it was all I could muster out of myself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv5PZqiUnvw

As an additional note: I did not do the repeats (the odds of making an error are much, much higher having to do everything twice with a camera menacingly gazing upon you smile )
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/29/09 12:34 PM

Hi guys and gals Im back, and I have no idea where thoes crazy glyphs in my last two posts came from.

Wrenn Welcome to the group. Figure out, if you havnt already, how to make a recording of your playing and post it to the forum. Its always great to hear how others are progressing.

Waltz Great job on Hava Nagila, Im glad you went ahead and posted a recording! Youre right about the increased difficulty of playing such a piece with the repeats. What I especiallly like about your recording was the ending; the way you quickly jumped to a fast tempo for the final bars. I had been quickening the tempo at that point, but not to the extent that you did. I really like the way yours sounds and will try to incorporate that in my own playing of H.N. next time I run through this piece (its on my list of things to periodically practice).

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/29/09 01:52 PM

Wow, thanks Undone! I had expected a negative response. Are you still on the Waltz? How is it coming?
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/30/09 02:39 PM

Originally Posted By: jrcallan
Sounds great. How'd you record from your AP 200?


The process is simpler than I am about to make it sound.

1. I record the piece using the Casio's onboard recorder. This is an iterative step that, in the case of L&B, took, oh, about 30 takes (a couple of which were better than the one I eventually kept, but oh well, my standards fell as the takes accumulated).

2. When I get a take I want to record, I connect the Casio to a laptop using a MIDI to USB cable (got mine off Amazon for like $9).

3. When I push "play" on the recording, the Casio transmits MIDI (electronic) signals to the laptop. In order to record those, you need some software on the laptop to capture those signals. There are lots of freeware pieces out there that do this (and other parts of this process). But I use Pianissimo, a relatively low-cost virtual piano, to receive the signals and save as a MIDI file.

4. When you have a MIDI, you then need a tool that translates those signals into piano (or harpsichord, or banjo, or what have you) sounds. Pianissimo makes this easy, providing settings that change the sound of the piano in countless ways. I usually leave the defaults in place and say "Mix down to Mp3." And a few seconds later, I have my mp3.

Here I describe how I did this before, in case you are interested in freeware tools and recommendations:

A Note to Myself on recording piano

Pretty much everything I know, I got from here:

How to Record Piano
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/30/09 02:44 PM

One more thing just occurred to me on recording piano... if your onboard piano sounds are fine, and if you have a good laptop for AV purposes, you will be able to use the line-in mechanism on the laptop, and record sounds that way. Audiophiles bristle at this, and worry that resulting recordings might have static in them. I've heard AnthonyB's recordings straight off his Kawai digital piano, and I think they sound great.

Which means, among other things, audiophiles would (correctly) say I am not one of them. It also means his piano inherently sounds better than mine, but I didn't buy the Ap-200 because it has great sounds.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/30/09 05:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Wow, thanks Undone! I had expected a negative response. Are you still on the Waltz? How is it coming?


Well Waltz, thanks for asking. As a matter of fact I just checked this one off in my piano diary last night. Im still not completely satisfied with my recording (but then who ever is). I know that I could do better, especially in the area of dynamics, given some more time and practice (and Ill probably do just that in the fullness of time). But for now Im giving myself a pass on this number and proceeding on to other things. Heres the recording that I made last night:

http://www.box.net/shared/kjc2ceagag

Undone
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/30/09 05:40 PM

AWTPP - Hey, I wish I had things that easy smile I don't have a laptop and my keyboard is two floors removed from my computer. So I have to record it on the keyboard, make a recording of this on a mini-disk, then transfer it to my computer. This is why I usually save up a bunch of recordings on a memory stick pluged into the keyboard and then spend some time on a weekend moving them to my computer.

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/30/09 07:15 PM

Beautifully played Undone --- and what a pleasant sounding song. I can hardly wait to start it. Relative to other selections did you find this one to be difficult? (I remember you and TTigg discussing its apparent difficult appearance early in this thread)
Posted by: jrcallan

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/30/09 07:51 PM

AWTPP:

Thanks for the answer in detail. I'm interested because I've had the AP-45, predecessor to your piano, for a year and a half. I just love it. I practice at 5:00 a.m. with headphones. I also have a Kawai UST-7 acoustic, but you can see why I use the AP-45 for practice at that hour of the morning in a South Philadelphia row home. Nonetheless, I love the keyboard feel of the AP-45 and the basic piano sound is great. I will try recording on the AP-45, then dumping the file to my computer. I have several sample sets, including Garritan Steinway (terrific), Steinberg Grand Piano II, and Art Vista 2. They're all great fun, though I have a vague preference for the newer approved Steinway.

Thanks, and all the best with the Ap-200.
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 03/30/09 08:26 PM

Knowing that you have a (very nice, might I add) Kawai acoustic, and yet still enjoy playing your Ap-45 gives me some solace. I felt like I would grow out of the Ap-200 with time, but you are suggesting to me that, if I ever do, it's much further out on the time horizon than I first supposed.

As to the sound, the Ap-200 speakers are wimpy, for me. I do enjoy it with the headphones.

I've heard good recordings sampled with that Steinway.

(Sorry to the rest of you for the derail on this topic...)
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/01/09 08:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Beautifully played Undone --- and what a pleasant sounding song. I can hardly wait to start it. Relative to other selections did you find this one to be difficult? (I remember you and TTigg discussing its apparent difficult appearance early in this thread)


It didn’t take me as long as I originally thought it might. I don’t know whether this means it’s less difficult then I first imagined or if it’s just taking me less time to complete some of the more difficult pieces in book 2 now that I’m nearing the end (aka improvement) smile . One thing for sure, its shorter then some of the others I’ve been playing recently and that makes it easier to get a good recording.

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/02/09 01:45 PM

I lol'd at the aka improvement but we really should expect gradual improvement as we go along. . . I often wonder what would happen if I revisited my nemesis La Bamba these days. . . I think I will keep it only a hypothetical

I finished the Olympic Procession and have moved on to Choral (or whatever, won't spend long here wink ).

I made a poor recording of Olympic Procession. After recording several times carefully and making minor errors (which obviously can't be excused on camera) I became burdened with both frustration and epinephrine and decided to quit at the first tolerable rendition. I'll post it on youtube later and here.

Hope everyone is doing well smile

W
Posted by: Horwinkle

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/02/09 02:53 PM

I was looking at one of the Alfred books on amazon.com. They let you look inside the book.
On the "back cover" it shows this diagram, which purports to guide you through the many available books in the Alfred series.

I'm ruling out the Young Beginner (I'm not young) and the All-In-One Sacred Course (not interested in sacred music). But that still leaves 7 tracks.

But I can't make any sense of it. Can anyone help? Which book(s) should I buy?
  • Young Beginner - Prep Course
  • Beginner - Alfred's Basic
  • Beginner - All-In-One Course
  • Beginner - All-In-One Sacred Course
  • Beginner - Group Piano Course
  • Late Beginner - Alfred's Basic
  • Late Beginner - Chord Approach
  • Late Beginner - Adult Piano Course
  • Late Beginner - All-In-One Adult Piano Course

Posted by: mom3gram

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/02/09 04:42 PM

Unless you only want to play from a fake book (chord approach), you probably want the "All-in-one Adult Piano Course". That's what most of us are using. The first 5 books you mentioned are intended for kids, although some adults do use them.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/02/09 05:10 PM

My "performance" of Olympic Procession (please don't laugh):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_oHpaQre8E
Posted by: Horwinkle

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/02/09 06:15 PM

Thanks for the reply.

What confuses me is the mix of "books" and "levels" on the chart.

Originally Posted By: mom3gram
Unless you only want to play from a fake book (chord approach), you probably want the "All-in-one Adult Piano Course". That's what most of us are using.

That was what I was guessing. I can do that (chords/fakes). Unfortunately, that's the bulk of of my experience. I'm just now getting "serious".

Originally Posted By: mom3gram
The first 5 books you mentioned are intended for kids, although some adults do use them.

Okay, that knocks out 6 of the 9 tiers.

I take it that you're suggesting the last item on the chart ... "Later Beginner/All-In-One Adult Piano Course"?

BTW, just how much of a beginner do you need to be for these books. Since I have several years of (self-taught) experience, will these books be too basic?
Posted by: mom3gram

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/02/09 06:39 PM

Yes, that's the one.

How well do you read the bass clef? It's been said that after finishing all three Adult All-in-one books that you will be somewhere in the early intermediate level. I'm only on book 1 myself, but I started from scratch. You might be able to start with Book 2 or Book 3, but your best bet would be to look at them in your local music store to see which book looks like it would not be too easy for you.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/02/09 07:24 PM

Horwinkle,

http://www.youtube.com/user/PianoNoobAlexMan

The above link has videos to most pieces in Book 1 and Book 2 and a few from Book 3. Check out some of the videos to see both where you stand in terms of skill and if the Books fit your goals.

Best,

W
Posted by: Horwinkle

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/02/09 08:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
http://www.youtube.com/user/PianoNoobAlexMan
The above link has videos to most pieces in Book 1 and Book 2 and a few from Book 3. Check out some of the videos to see both where you stand in terms of skill and if the Books fit your goals.

Good thought, Waltz. Thanks.

Originally Posted By: mom3gram
Yes, that's the one.
How well do you read the bass clef? It's been said that after finishing all three Adult All-in-one books that you will be somewhere in the early intermediate level. I'm only on book 1 myself, but I started from scratch. You might be able to start with Book 2 or Book 3, but your best bet would be to look at them in your local music store to see which book looks like it would not be too easy for you.


My reading of the bass clef is almost as good as the treble clef.
Here's my comfort range.

I especially have trouble with notes written far above the bass clef
(or far below the treble, though that's a bit less common).


Thanks for replying, mom3gram.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/05/09 01:32 PM

Horwinkle – one other thing I’d suggest about purchasing one of the Alfred’s Adult books: Just buy the one you think is right for your current level and don’t get the next one in the series right away. They come out with new edditions from time to time and by the time your done with one, you may find they have a “new and improved” version out for the next level.

Waltz – no laughing here. I think you played the majority of “Olympic Procession” very well (I can remember having a hard time getting thoes left hand jumps down). The retardando could be a little more gradual, and you may want to take a closer look at some of the timing in the final part that follows. But that’s just this hack’s opinion.

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/06/09 04:33 PM

Undone,

Everything you named is the reason I thought my performance stank (plus I sped through one triplet). I think the "left hand jumps" (plus the second inversion chords) were the main technique to be learned so I suppose I won't rerecord.

As a note on my progress:

I have passed Farewell to Thee and am currently on Black Forest Polka (which I really like). In the past, FTT had received harsh reviews on this forum (and I can certainly understand why). It was not so bad however and it certainly drives home the distinctions in playing and reading first versus second inversions. I won't make a recording of FTT since it's not that "musical" (at least to me). I plan on making one of BFP once I finish.

Happy Monday everyone!

W
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/06/09 06:14 PM

Tried to post this earlier, but I had to re-encode the Mp3. It's a rushed, slightly sloppy version of the Hungarian Rhapsody #2 theme. And there is one jump in there I still have trouble with, where the RH thumb crosses under #4 (ring finger). But it's good enough for me to move on, so I will.

http://www.box.net/shared/62yq62gg72
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/06/09 08:04 PM

AWTPP,

Great job on the Rhapsody! If I were to offer any criticism (which I hope doesn't offend), I would have put slightly more emphasis on the third beat of each measure. Besides that, your performance was very enjoyable. I think Alexander's Ragtime Band is next for you. I did not care for that song but it does not take that long to learn.
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/06/09 10:56 PM

Thank you, Waltz. No offense at all, in fact, I think you for taking the time to give it a listen. Yes, I hear what you are saying, and you are absolutely right.

Morning Has Broken is next for me, followed by Alexander's. I'll have to take your word that Alexander's comes quickly... my early tinkering with it has been slow going.
Posted by: Wrenn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/07/09 06:48 AM

I'm mucking around with Light and Blue and Hungarian Rhapsody at the moment. I like the last section of rhapsody but not the first for some reason. So far in book two my favourite pieces are Bridal Chorus, Overture and Guantanamera. I still need to work on the last one, I think I must have some kind of sheet music specific dyslexia cause I keep missing when the broken chords change in places like the 7th measure ;-)

Is anyone else learning on a keyboard rather than a piano? I was wondering how the touch sensitivity of a keyboard like my Yamaha PSR-e413 compares to a real piano (obviously really bad ;_) and whether its worth turning it on. So far I have turned it off, figuring learning the notes is hard enough without also having to control the velocity when hitting the keys.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/07/09 07:45 AM

AWTPP – I’ll second that “Great job!” on Hungarian Rhapsody #2. If you feel like just “goofing off” sometime, you can have a lot of fun with this piece. There have been a number of parodies done on this selection; things like changing the timing, adding exaggerated hesitations, speeding up like crazy in some parts, etc. Well beyond our ability, but fun none the less, is Victor Borge’s version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aajtw30-YG0

Wrenn – I’m learning on a keyboard; a Yamaha YPG-625. I think the weighted keys are crucial. I’ve played both “real” pianos and non-weighted keyboards in the past and there was no way I could practice on a non-weighted KB and then use what I’d learned on a piano. I don’t know how the key action on your model compares with the one I’m using however.

Undone
Posted by: angelojf

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/07/09 08:23 AM

Hello Book Two Folks:

I have just a small number of pieces left in the All-In-One Book One. Can you give me a summary of what to expect in Book Two? Are the pieces interesting? What are your personal reactions to Book 2 versus Book 1? Does Book 2 sustain your interest? Any major significant hurdles involved in Book 2 that you can think of?

Thanks!

Ang
Posted by: kennychaffin

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/07/09 08:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Wrenn
....

Is anyone else learning on a keyboard rather than a piano? I was wondering how the touch sensitivity of a keyboard like my Yamaha PSR-e413 compares to a real piano (obviously really bad ;_) and whether its worth turning it on. So far I have turned it off, figuring learning the notes is hard enough without also having to control the velocity when hitting the keys.


I'm not familiar with that particular keyboard, it says Graded Soft Touch on the product page, so I'm guessing it is similar to my Yamaha NP-30 which uses the same moniker for the touch. If so it's better than synth-touch (no resistance or feel at all) but not like an acoustic piano. Still a big part of learning to play is learning to control dynamics and touch on each note and (at least in my opinion, but I'm pretty much a beginner) enabling the touch will assist you in that goal. Still the touch is going to be different on a real piano, but the control you have to develop is going to be similar.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/07/09 01:34 PM

Originally Posted By: angelojf
Hello Book Two Folks:

I have just a small number of pieces left in the All-In-One Book One. Can you give me a summary of what to expect in Book Two? Are the pieces interesting? What are your personal reactions to Book 2 versus Book 1? Does Book 2 sustain your interest? Any major significant hurdles involved in Book 2 that you can think of?

Thanks!

Ang


Book 2 has been much different than Book 1 for me. Book 1 was more of an introduction of how to play the piano. Book 2 assumes you can already play basic piano and successively introduces new technical skills in each piece. To me, Book 2 (along with perhaps the Entertainer/Amazing Grace from 1) is where the "real" piano music begins with the Alfred piano series. In practical terms this means the pieces will take much, much longer to master yet are more engaging. (of course what I say here I'll probably say regarding Book 2 once I move on to Book 3). Hurry up and finish Book 1 so you can join us here smile

W
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/07/09 03:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz

Book 2 has been much different than Book 1 for me. Book 1 was more of an introduction of how to play the piano. Book 2 assumes you can already play basic piano and successively introduces new technical skills in each piece. To me, Book 2 (along with perhaps the Entertainer/Amazing Grace from 1) is where the "real" piano music begins with the Alfred piano series. In practical terms this means the pieces will take much, much longer to master yet are more engaging. (of course what I say here I'll probably say regarding Book 2 once I move on to Book 3). Hurry up and finish Book 1 so you can join us here smile
W


Couldn't have said it any better myself. I'm approaching the end of book #2 as I type. I think I'm 3 pieces away from Canon D (end song) which is going to be great fun to learn. I prob anticipate that taking me a good 2wks to get through (not solid but in terms of my lesson weeks)

Book #2 took prob x2.5 times longer to complete (for me) than #1. There are MANY great pieces which I have now added to my repertoire to practice on a daily basis so yes, there is much to look forward in #2.. I've even managed to get some of these down on the Zoom but haven't uploaded (listened to them yet) which I hope to get done tomorrow..

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Posted by: wj3

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/07/09 03:51 PM

Hello book twoers. I am just about to finish Amazing Grace in book one and going on to book two. Gee if it takes 2.5 times as long to finish book two, it looks as I will be working on it for awhile. I will probably be joining in in a week or two.
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/07/09 03:58 PM

Well that was for me, had some "stops" along the way for recitals etc also. If I hadn't of had those breaks I'd have probably gotten through it at maybe twice as long as #1.

I'm scared to even look in the #3 thread at the moment smile
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/07/09 05:33 PM

wj3,

We'll certainly be glad to have you here! There aren't many active Book 2 people who post. (Undone, TTigg, Key Notes, AWTPP, and myself are all that immediately come to mind)
Posted by: kennychaffin

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/07/09 05:41 PM

I'm no where near book 2 yet, just started book one a couple of weeks ago, but the talk of 2.5 times as long and with wj3 just finishing one, it makes me wonder how long each of you or on average it takes to get through the books?

Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/07/09 07:23 PM

Kenny,

There are many factors which contribute to completion time. These include practice time, whether your are a basic or all-in-one student, and to some degree your "ability". You will see wide ranging numbers which probably won't be useful in estimating your own completion time. Students here spend from 1-12+ months on Book 1. Yet for Book 2 I'd guess most will spend at least closer to a year. I am hoping to be done with all-in-one Book 2 by mid July. Heres to progress laugh

W
Posted by: kennychaffin

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/07/09 08:35 PM

Thanks Waltz. Yeah I'm sure there's a wide range. I was just curious, personally I will progress as fast as I progress. smile
Posted by: wj3

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/07/09 09:16 PM

Kenny, I have spent a long time on book one, with stops and starts. My teacher has had me working on other things. So I had to finish book one kind of on my own. So for me its been at least two years. I hope I can concentrate on book two a little better.

Walt
Posted by: kennychaffin

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/07/09 09:18 PM

Originally Posted By: wj3
Kenny, I have spent a long time on book one, with stops and starts. My teacher has had me working on other things. So I had to finish book one kind of on my own. So for me its been at least two years. I hope I can concentrate on book two a little better.

Walt


Thanks Walt. I understand. I'm sure whether one is working through it themselves or with a teacher makes a difference as well. Looking forward to your "end of book one" party. smile
Posted by: dat99

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/07/09 10:20 PM

I am in book 2 also but am using the lesson book only not the all in one. I am doing The House Of The Rising Sun and Sakura this week. I really like this book. I have just recently started playing again. I went through half of book 2 around 8 years ago and and just started back recently. I am using greatest hits level 2 also which is alot of fun. Is anybody else using other books beside alfred method book?
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/07/09 10:39 PM

One caveat to be added to progression through Alfred's is this: quick progress through the book does not necessarily equate to quick progression in piano skills. Individuals spending more time with pieces will gain benefit for there time as will individuals deciding to "move on" with a certain basic ability less than perfect. If you listen to Undone's performances you will hear my point clearly. They are all exceptional and to me signify that when we both "passed" certain pieces,Undone was clearly at a more advanced stage of playing the piano than was I.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/07/09 10:42 PM

dat99,

Whoa! 8 years ago? That's a long time! Did you start from the beginning or from where you left off eight years ago?

(House of the Rising Sun and Sakura were both very nice to play btw)
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/08/09 01:21 AM

Hi Everyone, including our new and future book 2 posters. And a special greeting to mom3gram. I hope you are doing well.

Wow, so many wonderful recordings to listen to. Great job, Waltz, Undone, and AWTPP! I enjoyed listening to them. smile

Undone, I love your version of Hava Nagila, yet another beautiful song that I'm looking forward to learning.

As for me, after a couple of weeks of busier than usual schedules and being out of town, I've returned and continued working on Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 last night, and managed to get an okay recording. It's definitely not perfect but what to do but to continued to aim towards making improvements.

It's both wonderfully inspiring and deeply depressing to hear Horowitz and the likes demonstrated their full-length version of this song. All I can say is Wow, I sure have a very, very long way to go. grin I can't image playing 9-10 minutes of any song at this point, that beautifully and that flawlessly. eek


Angelojf, I haven't yet encountered any "major hurdles" so far, but have found that I've been enjoying learning most of the songs in book 2 up to this point. While they've been challenging, I also enjoyed the increased levels of technical difficulties that they each had to offer.

Looking forward to having you and the others joining us here in book 2.


And just as an aside but somewhat related fun thing: I've seen another posting of this toy/instrument on this forum somewhere before, and I wanted one badly. Just think, we can get both of our exercises as well as our piano practice time in at the same time. Talk about effeciencies. Perhaps after I finished book 3? grin



Enjoy and take care everyone,

Key Notes smile
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 - 04/08/09 07:50 AM

Wow, busy night last night!

I agree with everything that has been said so far about the differences between book #1 and book #2, except for me it looks like I’ll be spending closer to three times as long on book #2 (if not longer). I started at the beginning of book #1, but the piano was not new to me at the time. I had taken some lessons as a child and continued to “tinker” with the piano from time to time all my life (I’ve also played other instruments and had a good handle on reading music). When I decided to get serious about the piano again I went back to square one. So I was able to complete book #1 in about four months. Once I went beyond the point of “having done this once before (even if it was long ago)”, things slowed down quite a bit.

Another thing to consider when discussing “how long” these things take is what else people are working on. Somewhere in book #2 (if not before) a number of people start adding some “supplementary pieces” to their studies, some start taking a serious look at all the scales, and some may even add a little Hannon to the mix.

In the long run, I think it’s important to keep in mind that completing any of these lesson books doesn’t really mean anything. What’s more important is how you feel about the playing you are doing now and the progress you are making. Don’t just rush through thinking that completing some book will automatically mean that you can now play at some given level. Instead (to paraphrase Walt Whitman) live deep and suck all the marrow out of each piece you play. You get better at the piano by playing, not by getting past some page number. Of course this last part is just my opinion; your mileage may vary.

Undone
Posted by: HeirborneGroupie

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/08/09 08:07 AM

Hi everyone. I'm in Alfred Basic book two and have been for a little less than a year on and off. I'm learning "You're In My Heart" right now and will pass it this week I think.

I must say this thread is very encouraging. You all are very accomplished. It's inspiring.
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/08/09 09:28 AM

I can't add much to the Book 2 vs. Book 1 discussion, other than to say this: Book 2 does NOT start where Book 1 left off. The last two pieces in Book 1 (The Entertainer and Amazing Grace) are significantly more difficult than anything I have seen so far in Book 2 (and I am at Morning Has Broken, prolly the 5th or 6th piece... but don't hold me to that). One or two pieces have taken more than a week to "polish" (a relative term, proficiency is different for each of us), but it seems like it took a month to be able to play the last two pieces in book one.

And of course this makes sense. In introducing new concepts, like thumb under 2, thumb under 3, Alfred's is also reviewing old concepts (like the key C major).

I figure on spending this entire year in the book.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/08/09 04:57 PM

Black Forest Polka (and some sad news. . .)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iI2qGbtqTk

I made that recording late last night and went to bed. It had errors so I had planned to make another this morning. I started recording and my camera completely stopped working frown . It was a cheap sony webcam or whatever, so I'll hopefully buy another in a few days. I would have rerecorded this but I'll let this piece go with this rendition.

Where is Undone's recording of Nagila? I'd love to hear it if I could find it.
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/08/09 11:12 PM

Nice playing Waltz of Black Forest Polka. Sorry to hear about your recorder's malfunctioning.

And I'm sorry for the confusions regarding my mentioning of Undone's Nagila, I actually meant to refer to Undone's Walts in G minor. I was listening to too many recordings last night, grin and had just gotten through listening to your version of Hava Nagila, which I thought was also great.

Good luck with your search for a new recorder.

Key Notes smile
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/09/09 07:54 AM

Waltz - Nice job on Black Forest Polka! I always thought this was a fun one to play.

Key Notes – Thanks for the nice words on Walts in G minor. I’m glad you and Waltz sorted out which piece it was because I was trying hard to remember if I had ever submitted a recording of my Hava Nagila (I didn’t think so as it was one I wasn’t all that happy with).

Undone
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/09/09 08:50 AM

Nice playing Waltz! thumb

Finished off Deep River this week and will be studying Loch Lomand today. This week's schedule (work) got a little crazy and I normally prefer to be "polishing" the weeks songs on the final day (lesson day) as oppose to learning one.

Oh well, better get an early start on it laugh

Can't believe I'm almost at the end of #2 (well once I get past Canon in D) cool
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/09/09 10:21 AM

TTig...

we're all ready for your arrival at the book 3 thread. I'll post an update (nothing spectacular, but we dropped all the way to page 2 or 3 I'm afraid) later today, but it's too quiet...we are eagerly awaiting some new participants!!

Ingrid
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/09/09 05:13 PM

Thanks thumb

Will be looking forward to joining you guys over there. Something tells me #3 is going to be insane, but fun of course smile
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/09/09 06:44 PM

Key Notes, Undone, TTigg: thanks y'all smile

Pomp and Circumstance is great thus far (not easy though).

I'd still love to hear recordings from everyone. Key Notes: I listened to your rendition of Scarborough Fair from Book 1 and thought it was superb (late, I know, but I've only been on this forum since Jan.). If you make any Book 2 recordings I'd love to give them a listen.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/09/09 06:45 PM

TTigg: how do you like the pieces as Book 2 comes to an end? Any surprises (good or bad)?
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/09/09 10:02 PM

So, today I was going to buy another cheap webcam type thing but instead bought a really nice camcorder and a tripod! Ha! It really does a much better job capturing both sound and video. Anyway, I decided to rerecord Black Forest Polka. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29PeGwguqWw
Posted by: Horwinkle

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/09/09 11:19 PM

Well, I must say that your video quality is far above average.
May I make a couple of suggestions?

1. The lighting could be a bit brighter, and the camera ought to shoot lower and to the left to better show you and your handiwork.

2. The sound is not bad for a miked situation, but it would be better if you recorded from the DP's auxiliary output.

Now if we all had decent equipment like yours, it would be a pleasure to listen to all of these amateur online concerts. smile
Posted by: kennychaffin

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/10/09 06:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
So, today I was going to buy another cheap webcam type thing but instead bought a really nice camcorder and a tripod! Ha! It really does a much better job capturing both sound and video. Anyway, I decided to rerecord Black Forest Polka. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29PeGwguqWw



whadija get, whadidja get?

Also wondering if that book isn't covering the speaker? Sounds maybe a bit muffled?


Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/10/09 09:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
TTigg: how do you like the pieces as Book 2 comes to an end? Any surprises (good or bad)?


There are some nice pieces for sure, a lot more "technical" in places too (which is always fun). Haven't really come across anything bad but they are throwing some hand/chord changes/accidentals all at once in the last couple of pieces.. thumb
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/10/09 10:50 AM

Horwinkle,

I have a clp320: do I have the ability to record audio directly from the piano to the camcorder while still capturing video? If so, that would be ideal.
When you say the camera should be to the left, do you mean more to the left or on my left side? Thanks for the suggestions

Kenny,

It's a sony camcorder. I'm not at home so I can't find the model number but it was not HD (I didn't want to spend THAT much lol). This model was around 350 $ and the tripod was around 35 $. So probably not the best but a huge step up from my crappy webcam smile

TTigg:

That's a relief to know that there isn't anything too outrageous. Generally Alfred's does a great job at transitions with respect to technique and difficulty. My exception was obviously La Bamba and I always fear something like that will pop up again.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/10/09 10:55 AM

I also decided to take Undone's suggestions on the Olympic Procession and rerecord it using the new equipment. Here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA17nuSC3SM

Thanks everyone, Happy Friday smile
Posted by: kennychaffin

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/10/09 11:08 AM

Thanks Waltz!
Posted by: Horwinkle

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/10/09 02:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
I have a clp320: do I have the ability to record audio directly from the piano to the camcorder while still capturing video? If so, that would be ideal.

I just checked the specs ... unfortunately, the CLP320 does not have an aux output. But you might try the headphone jack instead. (Not ideal, but worth a try.)
Originally Posted By: Waltz
When you say the camera should be to the left, do you mean more to the left or on my left side?

You can shoot from either side, but I prefer the camara on your right (which is what you did). It's easier to see the right-hand action from that viewpoint. (Which is more important to see ... right-hand or left-hand? That depends on the piece you're playing, but right-hand more often than left.)

The camera shows your hands high and to the left in the image. Meanwhile, we see a lot of the upper octaves of the keyboard, untouched by hands. I'd suggest pointing the camera to (roughly) center your hands in the shot. Also, you might lower the camera so that we get a more "level" shot, rather than a downward shot. You could even to something like this: Side View

Of course, you could put the camera overhead, shooting straight downward ... that gives an interesting alternative viewpoint. But it's not easy. A tripod won't accommodate that. (The pros know how. I don't.)

You could even dress in tux and tails! That would be a standout, eh? (Okay, I'm having too much fun with this.) smile
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/10/09 02:57 PM

Waltz - Huge improvement on the ending to Olympic Procession! Don’t be afraid to carry the slower tempo (“Magestic”) through to the end of the piece. It’s realy sounding good now.

TTigg - You mentioned something about getting some recordings down on Zoom recently. I hope you can get some downloaded; I know we’d all love to hear them. You and I are in about the same spot in book 2 right now; I just fishished Deep River today. What did you think of this piece? I hated it to begin with - I didn’t see how I was going to get thoes arpegiated bass cords to be piano, let alone pianissamo, and I just couldn't seem to make it "musical". But then suddenly it started to click, and I wound up really enjoying this selection.

Undone
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/10/09 05:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Undone

TTigg - You mentioned something about getting some recordings down on Zoom recently. I hope you can get some downloaded; I know we’d all love to hear them. You and I are in about the same spot in book 2 right now; I just fishished Deep River today. What did you think of this piece? I hated it to begin with - I didn’t see how I was going to get thoes arpegiated bass cords to be piano, let alone pianissamo, and I just couldn't seem to make it "musical". But then suddenly it started to click, and I wound up really enjoying this selection.

Undone


Haven't done any recent recordings (but may try) I've gotta alot some time so I can "check out" how the 1st batch of Zoom recordings went, hopefully by this weekend. Deep River, yep didn't care for it much at first but grew to enjoy it as the week went on etc. If the Zoom stuff (1st pass) turned out ok I will probably attempt to get a recording of Deep River..

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Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/13/09 12:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Undone

Key Notes – Thanks for the nice words on Walts in G minor. I’m glad you and Waltz sorted out which piece it was because I was trying hard to remember if I had ever submitted a recording of my Hava Nagila (I didn’t think so as it was one I wasn’t all that happy with).

Undone


Hi Undone,

Yes, my appologies for causing you some confusions as well. blush Although, I'm quite sure that your tiny bit less than perfect version of Hava Nagila will still be a joy to listen to, not to mention will also serve as a wonderful example for us beginners as well. So, no pressure what so ever, but perhaps someday we'll get to listen to it.

BTW, thanks for sharing that funny video of Victor Boge's Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2, I enjoyed it.

Best regards,

Key Notes smile
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/13/09 01:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Key Notes, Undone, TTigg: thanks y'all smile

Pomp and Circumstance is great thus far (not easy though).

I'd still love to hear recordings from everyone. Key Notes: I listened to your rendition of Scarborough Fair from Book 1 and thought it was superb (late, I know, but I've only been on this forum since Jan.). If you make any Book 2 recordings I'd love to give them a listen.


Hi Waltz,

Congratulations on your new camcorder! It sounded very nice.

Thanks for your kind compliments on Scarborough Fair, and the request for other recordings from book 2. It's very nice of you but it's also quite embarressing to be sharing my recordings since I'm not that good yet. Although, I could use and would appreciate some inputs and feed-backs from everyone from time to time. So, here it goes.

Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2

Theme from the Overture

Cheers,

Key Notes smile
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/13/09 10:24 AM

Key Notes,

Nice job on the recordings! It's always a little scary putting something out there for all to hear. I especially liked your recording of Hungarian Rhapsody. The first half was really great, in the second half I think there may be a little timing issue in a few measures, but I don't have my music here with me right now.

Also, how's your "playing without looking at the keys" coming along? I ask because there are a few places, especially in Overature, where you hesitate for a bit and I can just picture you either looking for the keys or doggedly determined not to look at the keys. Either way, if this is something your battling with (and I may be all wet on this - it's just an image I had), it's something that takes everyone both time and a lot of hard work to get used to.

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/13/09 02:20 PM

Key Notes,

Way to go! I agree with Undone regarding HR2 and Overture. Besides perhaps some timing issues near the end, HR2 was masterfully played (much better than I remember playing it). The tempo and rhythm were beautifully held at a very quick pace. Overture had some hesitations, but the rhythm was certainly on point and the LH staccato sounded great. Thanks for sharing and you certainly have nothing of which to be embarrassed.

W
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/13/09 02:22 PM

Pomp and Circumstance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VJF4WlQT5Y

This was actually recorded the very first time I decided to play through the piece as a coherent whole.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/14/09 07:23 AM

Your recording of Pomp And Circumstance sounds great Waltz! Isn't it wounderful when a first recording just all comes together like that? If your like me, when you start getting toward the end of a rcording that's going so well, you start getting nervous thinking "please, please, please, don't goof up now!" You did a fine job.

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/14/09 01:38 PM

Thanks Undone. I can certainly concur regarding the "end of recording nerves", an adrenaline burst does not assist in coordinating hand movements and ruins the ability to think. P&C is very tricky to nail down but once you figure it out it can be slightly forgiving to play (and it's fun, I think).
Hope everyone is well,

W
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/14/09 01:46 PM

Oh, and just to mention:
I start the theme from 10/3 once I finish "Dark Eyes". Chopin is certainly one of my favorites and many of his songs are my "dream pieces". I've always loved this etude. As trivia (that may not even be correct): the actual etude is sort of in an A B A structure --- the A representing the "theme" and the b representing the more "etudish" part. Part A is the bulk of the actual piece and, for me, what makes it beautiful. I can't wait to turn to page 90.
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/14/09 11:08 PM

Thanks Undone and Waltz for listening and for all of your wonderful inputs and encouragements. smile I love those two pieces and will continue to work on them.

Undone, I also sensed that my timing towards the end part of HR2 could use a bit of fine tuning as well, and would definitely appreciate your advice as to how I can better improve upon it.

And, thank you so much for asking on how I'm doing in regards to whether I'm able to play without having to look down at my hands or the keys. So far, except for the few challenging sections of certain songs, such as the big octave jumps of Light and Blue, I've been able to play most of the pieces, sinced book 1, without having to look down at my hands or the keys most of the time.

My method of learning has been that once I've figured out and familiarized myself with all of the notes and chords of a new song and are able to play it slowly with hands together. I simultaneously and quickly tried to play the whole piece without looking down at the keys, even if it's at a very slow tempo.

In regards to my hesitations in the Overture piece. While it was my intentions to play it a bit slower the indicated Andante, more like Adagio?, thus the pauses and hesitations. But perhaps they were a bit longer than necessary, and I may be wrong in my interpretations of the musicality of this piece.

You are absolutely correct however, in your observations of the possibilities of my having to look down at the keys at some point. While I'm able to play most of it without having to look down, for some reason the transitions between measures 10 & 11, the Dm into the Gs for both hands, I've also been finding myself looking down on more than a few occasions. Strange, since it's not even a hard shifting of positions for the 1st and 5th fingers. mad And now that you've also pointed it out, I'm going to put a stop to that, starting tonight. smile

Thanks again for all of your great inputs and observations, and I look forward to hearing much more of your advices on HR2 as well as future pieces.

Best Regards,

Key Notes smile
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/14/09 11:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Pomp and Circumstance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VJF4WlQT5Y

This was actually recorded the very first time I decided to play through the piece as a coherent whole.


Very nice as always Waltz! smile
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/14/09 11:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Undone
If your like me, when you start getting toward the end of a rcording that's going so well, you start getting nervous thinking "please, please, please, don't goof up now!"
Undone


And whenever I think of goofing up, I surely and usually always do, especially on the endings of the repeated sections. mad smile
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/14/09 11:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Oh, and just to mention:
Chopin is certainly one of my favorites and many of his songs are my "dream pieces". I've always loved this etude.


Same here. Is there only one Chopin piece in this book? I only saw the one that you mentioned in the TOC, but then again my eyes are a bit tired at the moment. Enjoy! smile
Posted by: Wrenn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/15/09 09:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Key Notes

And, thank you so much for asking on how I'm doing in regards to whether I'm able to play without having to look down at my hands or the keys.


I have been working on correcting this same problem as well. Weirdly its often happening when I'm playing really simple parts with my fingers already on the keys I'm looking down to check!
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/15/09 01:05 PM

Key Notes, I think it is the only Chopin work in the book. He didn't really write much for beginner students so anything included would have to be "simplified" to a varying degree. Thanks so much for the compliment on P&C.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/15/09 01:09 PM

I look down at my hands in certain places of nearly every piece. I think the key for me is this: being able to quickly look down without any hesitation of my playing to simply increase accuracy of certain "jumps" or other transitions while being able to immediately look back at the score and continue reading. For me, there is absolutely nothing wrong with glancing down at your hands from time to time during certain difficult jumps to improve accuracy as long as I can keep the rhythm. I think the main criticism is those that stare at their hands throughout the entire piece AND make a habit of doing so.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/15/09 05:09 PM

Key Notes – I’m glad to hear that the “not looking” is going well for you, and I too find I need to take a quick glance here and there, especially if there is a large hand movement involved. As Waltz pointed out, I don't think there is anything wrong with this so long as one gets over the initial tendancy to do so, and it doesn't become a crutch.

The timing question in the latter part of HR2 that I was refering to is a small thing. Once I’ve played a piece long enough and gotten it down, any slight difference in sound kind of stands out when I hear someone else play it (something that a person who hadn’t worked on the piece may never notice). Then I have to figure out if I’d been playing it wrong all along, if it’s a question of “interpretation”, or something else.

Anyway, as I now have my music in front of me, I see that the part that sounded different to me was after the poco ritard. (where it changes from the A to the B part). The tempo here is marked as “gradually faster and faster to end”. What I was hearing was the first bar being played at a steady tempo, the second bar being played much faster, then the third bar going back to match that of the first, etc. Or to put it another way, a slow –fast-slow-fast sort of change from bar to bar. I think that if you concentraight on keeping the left hand steady at four beats per measure (though gradually getting faster to the end of the piece), you’ll hear what I’m refering to.

Once again, this is just nit picking, you did a fantastic job on this piece and my feedbak is only meant in the spirit of “adding an ear” where may be of some help.

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/16/09 01:24 PM

As with P&C, I decided to record my first real attempt at playing Dark Eyes coherently. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI_ztHLSQ64

Hope everyone is well,

W
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/16/09 01:27 PM

Oh, and I started 10, 3 today. God help me lol, does this become easier as I practice? Looks like it could take me forever but at least it will be learning something I would love to play.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/16/09 01:54 PM

Waltz - I feel your pain - not so long ago when I was struggling thru Book 2 I spent more time on this piece than any other, trying my best to get it down decently - I'm not sure I finally succeeded or not - you can hear the result of my efforts back on page 1 of this thread - if anything, I would try to vary the dynamics a little more and clean up one section that I won't mention...but, good luck & have fun - it's a great arrangement!

Regards, JF
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/16/09 04:23 PM

For me, I am struggling with page 2 of Alexander's Ragtime Band. Didn't one of you claim it was easy?
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/16/09 05:56 PM

Waltz – Chopin’s Etude Op 10 No 3 is my favorite piece from Book 2. Here is a recording that I submitted to the ABF Recital a couple of recitals ago:

http://www.box.net/shared/8b8t6d3q53

I continue to practice this piece regularly and would like to think I am able to bring more to it now then I could at the time of this recording. With Chopin you can spend some time learning to play the pice, but can then spend a lifetime learning how to bring out every little nuance of it.

I hope you enjoy the time you spend on this, and continue to find pleasure in making it sound better and better for some time to come.

Undone
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/16/09 05:56 PM

AWTPP – I don’t know who might have said that Alexander’s Ragtime Band was easy, but it certainly wasn’t me. smile

Undone
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/16/09 07:09 PM

I don't know if it was me you were referring to or not AWTPP - I can't remember ever saying that about ARB, but it was relatively easy for me personally (compared to some other Book 2 pieces) - it was just one of those pieces that strangely fell into place rather quickly, and I don't know why - there were several other pieces just like that in Book 2: Light & Blue, the Scott Joplin piece (can't remember it's name), Intro & Dance (Those Were the Days) & Hava Nagila, which all came easily - but then other pieces were a struggle (even pieces less demanding than those I mentioned) - this pattern has continued for me in Book 3 so far - who can figure?

Regards, JF
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/16/09 07:17 PM

JF,
Thank you for your empathy and for the recording. I have a feeling I'll be spending a lot of time with this piece. It is nice to know that you had to put in the time as well and still made a beautiful recording. I will certainly be referring to it as I progress.

Undone,
Thank you as well for the recording and perspective on this piece. I have been looking forward to learning this for quite a while and will not sell myself short (so to speak). In fact, once I complete this book (whenever that may be) I would like to record myself playing both this and Canon in D on a grand piano (if I can find one to use). In other words, I plan on playing this piece throughout the rest of my time with Book 2 (at least I hope to do so).

AWTPP,

I think I was the guilty party in that statement. Reflecting further, the first page was not so hard to learn but you are right regarding the second (about which I forgot) --- it was NOT easy (with the octave stretches and tricky fingering). Sorry for making that implication. The only song I'll say WAS easy in AB2 as a whole was "Lonesome Road" (but it sounded nice. . .).

Sorry for asking this (hate to sound as though I am "fishing" for praise) but did I play Dark Eyes correctly? I think I did but it's hard to judge my own playing.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/16/09 07:20 PM

As one more quick comment: if I play 10.3 half as well as JF and Undone I'll be pleased (great recordings you guys)

W
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/17/09 12:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Undone
Key Notes – I’m glad to hear that the “not looking” is going well for you, and I too find I need to take a quick glance here and there, especially if there is a large hand movement involved. As Waltz pointed out, I don't think there is anything wrong with this so long as one gets over the initial tendancy to do so, and it doesn't become a crutch.

The timing question in the latter part of HR2 that I was refering to is a small thing. Once I’ve played a piece long enough and gotten it down, any slight difference in sound kind of stands out when I hear someone else play it (something that a person who hadn’t worked on the piece may never notice). Then I have to figure out if I’d been playing it wrong all along, if it’s a question of “interpretation”, or something else.

Anyway, as I now have my music in front of me, I see that the part that sounded different to me was after the poco ritard. (where it changes from the A to the B part). The tempo here is marked as “gradually faster and faster to end”. What I was hearing was the first bar being played at a steady tempo, the second bar being played much faster, then the third bar going back to match that of the first, etc. Or to put it another way, a slow –fast-slow-fast sort of change from bar to bar. I think that if you concentraight on keeping the left hand steady at four beats per measure (though gradually getting faster to the end of the piece), you’ll hear what I’m refering to.

Once again, this is just nit picking, you did a fantastic job on this piece and my feedbak is only meant in the spirit of “adding an ear” where may be of some help.

Undone




Thank you Undone for taking the time to give me some great insights and recommendations. I knew that the scales and timing in those specific areas would be a great challenge, and that's where your familiarities and expertise with the piece coupled with your impartial and fresh perspective in hearing it was exactly what I needed.

I'll focus on practicing with just the left hand part as you've recommended and see what happen.

Thank you so much once again and have a fabulous day.

Key Notes smile

Edited to say: I love your recording of Chopin’s Etude Op 10 No 3, and I also can't wait to learn that piece as well, but who knows when I'll get there, if I get there. grin
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/17/09 12:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Wrenn
Originally Posted By: Key Notes

And, thank you so much for asking on how I'm doing in regards to whether I'm able to play without having to look down at my hands or the keys.


I have been working on correcting this same problem as well. Weirdly its often happening when I'm playing really simple parts with my fingers already on the keys I'm looking down to check!



Exactly what I did as well. smile I guess we should trust our own abilities to be able to hear the right notes instead.

How are you doing with your pieces? Have you had a chance to ckeck out the weighted keys feature of your keyboard?

Key Notes smile
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/17/09 01:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Key Notes, I think it is the only Chopin work in the book. He didn't really write much for beginner students so anything included would have to be "simplified" to a varying degree. Thanks so much for the compliment on P&C.


How sad, I guess I'll just have to work even harder in order to be able to play even just one of his original full length version. smirk

How's it going so far? Is it hard? Is it fun?

Key Notes smile
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/17/09 01:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Always Wanted to Play Piano
For me, I am struggling with page 2 of Alexander's Ragtime Band. Didn't one of you claim it was easy?


It definitely wasn't me, I'm not even there yet. Besides, do I look guilty? grin

What's wrong with pg. 2? Any tips and pointers as to what I can look-out for?

Key Notes smile
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/17/09 09:02 AM

Waltz - Fantastic job on Dark Eyes! I think you nailed it.

Undone
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/17/09 09:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Key Notes
Originally Posted By: Always Wanted to Play Piano
For me, I am struggling with page 2 of Alexander's Ragtime Band. Didn't one of you claim it was easy?


It definitely wasn't me, I'm not even there yet. Besides, do I look guilty? grin

What's wrong with pg. 2? Any tips and pointers as to what I can look-out for?

Key Notes smile


Hard to explain. Basically, the jumps and transitions are not inuitive, so I am having so memorize them. Very... slowly...
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/17/09 12:19 PM

FYI - I made this video available in this thread quite some time back and thought some of you would like to see it now - it's the beautiful pop song version of the theme from Chopin's Etude, Op.10, No.3 adapted into a big 1951 hit for one of that era's best singers, Jo Stafford:



Several of us at that time used it as an approximate guide to playing and "phrasing" this piece.

Enjoy!

Regards, JF
Posted by: Always Wanted to Play Piano

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/17/09 12:45 PM

More detail on my difficulty with Alexander's Ragimte Band: I guess I disagree with most of the suggested fingering. I am having an easy time now that I have gone my own direction there.

Key Notes, when you get there, if you have trouble, let me know, and I will tell you what is working (better, if still not perfectly) for me.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/17/09 02:26 PM

Undone, Thanks, I appreciate the feedback smile . I actually am "teacherless" and have been for a few months so I really need your advice regarding my playing and potential errors. I actually began this piece ignoring the B flat (oops!). It didn't sound dissonant but adding the flattened B brought out the darker tone of the song. Thanks again Undone for the reassurance.

Key Notes, well, to be honest it's really hard. Generally I'm somewhat "fast paced" with learning the pieces but I've decided to drop anchor here. The great thing though is that since I am familiar with the piece I almost "automatically" add the accents and stress without having to read the sheet music and think to myself "ok, now play this note firmer..." etc. Also the pedal is involved in this piece so that gives some forgiveness. This piece is a MAJOR step up in terms of difficulty than anything I've seen. I mean, Dark Eyes seems very elementary in comparison. If you flip back and forth between the their pages (they're back to back) it is like a time warp or something.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/17/09 02:28 PM

Also, what AWTTP said about pg. 2 of ARB is exactly how I remember it. Kind of all over the place (and I believe the first piece with the full octave stretches).
Posted by: Key Notes

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/21/09 11:46 PM

Thanks AWTPP and Waltz for the informations.

Key Notes smile
Posted by: Wrenn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/22/09 02:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Key Notes

Exactly what I did as well. smile I guess we should trust our own abilities to be able to hear the right notes instead.

How are you doing with your pieces? Have you had a chance to ckeck out the weighted keys feature of your keyboard?

Key Notes smile


I decided that I had rushed a little through book 1 so I went right back to the beginning of book 1 and worked through each piece until I had them all down smoothly and at tempo. I currently have Chiapaneces and one or two other pieces that I am finishing now. Once I finish of those I'll move back to book 2 (and keep practicing The Entertainer and Amazing Grace as well).

Something else I will do before I get back into book 2 is go back to the start of book 1 again! and work on Legato. I havent been paying enough attention to it and want to work on it more before I start book 2 properly.

My keyboard doesnt have weighted keys, it just has a velocity detection type mode that you can set to soft/medium/hard, so if you hit the key softly it plays the note at low volume and if you hit the key hard it plays it louder. I havent really tried it since but I probably should.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/23/09 01:59 PM

My performance of op.10 no.3 (Chopin) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olNqhTbFwrk

I started this piece last Thursday and made this recording this Thursday morning. I really can't believe I learned this piece in only a week! It was very hard and I had to practice prodigiously. I know my performance of the piece is a bit on the fast end of the spectrum and certainly is not perfect but I am so very pleased with simply being able to play it. I really hope you guys give it a look and let me know what you think.

W
Posted by: wj3

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/23/09 02:55 PM

Wow, after only a week. Thats great Waltz.. You are coming along great.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/23/09 05:37 PM

Thank you wj3! Yea, I practiced it so much in the past 7 days though, every study break or whenever I could, I was obsessed with learning it. Thanks again for the nice remarks, I do really, really appreciated them.
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/23/09 06:04 PM

wOw slow down Waltz :P smile (very nicely done BTW)

I've just finished up with Loch Lomand (like it) and will add this to my daily list. Got the last 2 (small songs) to do which will be this week's assignment then...... (drum roll) Canon in D!!

Not sure if we're going to do the book version of the whole thing since I purchased some sheet music for it separately. Then examine the circle of fifths theory (which is at the end of #2) and then I guess I'll be leaving you guys and heading over to #3 shocked

Today is (almost to the day) 10mths since I started lessons and learning and I've never been happier. Well ok, I'd he happier if I was a house-husband (kids not at home) and I could just play all day smile

Back with some updates soon and yes, I know I'm long overdue on the "see how my Zoom recordings came out" other stuff taking my time up at the moment...

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Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/23/09 08:46 PM

Thanks Ttigg!

I personally hope you do the Book 2 version of Canon in D so I can hear your story on how it went, but I would understand why you may wish to learn a different arrangement. What is a "zoom" btw? I'm guessing an audio device?

ps: did you mean I played the piece too fast or tried to learn it too quickly? smile
Posted by: wj3

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/23/09 09:10 PM

Hello Book two people. I finally gave myself a pass on "Amazing Grace" in book one. I don't think I am going to get any more out of it as I can play it without the music by now... I will keep playing it for awhile as I like the song. But now I would like to join you all in Alfreds Adult AIO Level 2. I started "Down in the Valley" in todays practice session. Its mostly review from the level one book. I am looking forward to improving my playing in book 2. Wish me luck.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/23/09 09:59 PM

WELCOME wj3 (although I remember you signing your name as Walt, so maybe you would prefer that? Regardless,) !!

Yea, Amazing Grace and the Entertainer are more challenging than MANY of the pieces in the entire first half of Book 2 (even though new techniques are introduced). I'm glad you've joined us here in the AB 2 thread,

W
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/24/09 01:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Thanks Ttigg!

I personally hope you do the Book 2 version of Canon in D so I can hear your story on how it went, but I would understand why you may wish to learn a different arrangement. What is a "zoom" btw? I'm guessing an audio device?

ps: did you mean I played the piece too fast or tried to learn it too quickly? smile



Zoom = audio recording microphone smile Not too quickly, very impressive, quick learning thumb
Posted by: jrcallan

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/24/09 05:46 AM

Waltz:

Your Chopin recording was just the inspiration I needed. I'm working on "Streets of Laredo" (seems pretty easy) and needed something to look forward to, that sounds like "real" piano.

Nice work -- cant' wait to get there.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/24/09 07:53 AM

Waltz – that was amazing (how quickly you learned Op10 No3) and well played too! I only have a few more pieces left in book two, but I’m starting to think you may finish it before me. smile You have the mechanics of playing this piece down, but don’t leave it behind just yet, keep working on adding more feeling to it.

Wj3 – Welcome to Book 2. The first few pieces will be mostly review, and you may start to wonder if the book will just keep going on like that. Don’t worry, it won’t, you’ll find plenty of challenges along the way.

As for me, I’m working on Love’s Greeting and I’m having a bit of a tuff time getting this under control. Part of the reason for this is that I’m not spending enough time on it. I’m trying to get a recital piece ready and I’m really concentrating on that. Even so, I don’t know if I’ll have the recital piece ready in time (I’m keeping the title a secret until I have it ready).

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/24/09 02:43 PM

Ttigg, thanks again smile. jrcallan: thanks for such kind words, and it certainly is a piece to anticipate. Playing Swinging Sevenths today feels like a "let down" after this past week of intense sessions with 10.3. It's hard to feel motivated, I want to learn more Chopin lol . I had been looking forward to it for most of the book so now that it's gone I only really have Canon in D to anticipate. But I've heard others comment on liking some of the other later pieces so maybe there's hope! BTW, SSevenths is absolutely no where near as difficult as its predecessor and by what John Frank said I'm guessing 10.3 may be one of the most difficult in book 2.

Undone, I had been eagerly awaiting your critique. Thanks! I am so happy you approve of the recording and certainly feel relieved. I will defintely continue to work on it, especially slowing it down and controlling the "crescendo on page 2" (the emotional climax of the piece). Thanks again Undone smile

W
Posted by: Pattylynn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/24/09 03:48 PM

I just started on Book 2 myself. I gave up on trying to make Tumbalalaika sound anything that remotely resembled music, and moved on to Light & Blue which I loved. My new challenge is La Raspa on page 14. It moves pretty fast for this old lady with the fat fingers! smile

I ventured into a new book for me, and am trying to get into "swing tempo" with the song "In the Mood". It is very difficult for me to get this tempo.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/25/09 05:20 PM

Welcome aboard Pattylynn, glad to have you with us. I’ve never played “In the Mood” on the piano (okay, I’ve fooled around with the rhythm line but not from any printed music), but back in my highschool days I played both electric bass and trumpet in a “stage band” (all big band era stuff). “In the Mood” was always one of my favorites.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJE-onnw2gM

Undone
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/25/09 05:26 PM

Hey Waltz, have you watched Valentina Igoshina playing Etude Op. 10 No. 3 in the “Just ran across this was pretty impressed – Chopin” thread?

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/25/09 07:37 PM

Udone, yes, and it is beautiful. I found Igoshina a while back on youtube and was impressed by both her virtuosity at the piano and the AMAZING production quality of "that" series of videos. The lighting is absolutely brilliant. She has videos of the the pollonaise op.53, prelude 28/15, mvnt 3 from sonata 2, Fant. Impt. and a few others I think. Her performance of the raindrop prelude is probably my favorite of the series (would love to learn it someday (I actually have the sheet music for it (and 10.3), it was one of "yamaha's 50 greats for the piano" book)).

I was thinking of buying a book of "simplified" Chopin pieces (at around the early intermediate stage?). I don't know though, and it won't be before I complete book 2.

I will make another recording of 10.3 in a week or two and really, really try to slow it down to Igoshina's pace (an odd surname, isn't she French?). Anyway, I'm rambling, welcome Pattylynn (!)

W
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/26/09 01:47 PM

Just updated my sig "bump" smile
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/26/09 02:14 PM

correction: I think Igoshina is actually Russian. whoops
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/27/09 07:13 AM

CONGRATULATIONS TTigg!!!!

On having survived another Live Recital.

Undone
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/27/09 08:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Undone
CONGRATULATIONS TTigg!!!!

On having survived another Live Recital.

Undone


cool thanks. I messed up a couple of notes but at least my bloody leg behaved this time. Had another bunch of people compliment me on my playing at the end and several more shocked faces when I told them I'd only been playing for 10mths !

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Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/27/09 08:53 PM

Where is the recording?
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/28/09 02:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Where is the recording?


Yeah about that... Lets just say the wifey's needs some more "lessons" on how to get that done...
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/28/09 02:02 PM

Oh. . . I thought Undone's post meant you had done another recital recording. Be sure to let me know when it's ready. Your last one was really good

W
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/28/09 03:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Oh. . . I thought Undone's post meant you had done another recital recording. Be sure to let me know when it's ready. Your last one was really good

W


Thanks, it was my 2nd "real life" Recital. I will be submitting "Wonderland" for the May online Recital so I'll get a good recording of if soon hopefully. Piano's getting a tune-up tomorrow (woot!)

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Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/28/09 05:00 PM

Oh, you use an acoustic? I see now why midi isn't an option for you and instead must use Zoom. That's really cool. What piece did you play for your real life recital?
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/28/09 09:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Oh, you use an acoustic? I see now why midi isn't an option for you and instead must use Zoom. That's really cool. What piece did you play for your real life recital?


Yep picked up a Zoom when I realized the "tinny" sound of my previous online recital was due to MIDI. I played Wonderland in person and I'm going to try to get a nice recording of it for the May Recital.. thumb
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/28/09 11:28 PM

Here's my performance of Swinging Sevenths:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_upLy8vacc

To be honest, I did not put much time in learning this. I started on it last Thursday but have spent most of these past days working on 10.3 and doing scale work. After 10.3, this song just felt "dull" but whatever, I guess I now have my introduction to the 7th cords laugh

W
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/29/09 07:18 AM

Waltz – Swinging Sevenths is sounding good. It’s really not a bad little piece, but I know what you mean about working on this after 10.3.

Undone
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/29/09 07:41 AM

Waltz - good technical execution of "Swinging Seventh" (which is actually a neat little swingin', jazzy piece) - however, you might want to consider slowing it down just a little and putting a little more "swingin'" feeling into it - for comparison & contrast check out my version on page 1 or that of Z32 there also, which is even slower than mine - while this piece is, technically, not as demanding as the Chopin Etude it has it's own requirements in terms of the feeling that's put into it's execution and should be given the fair amount of study time that it deserves.

Likewise, your technical execution of the Chopin Etude was very good, but as mentioned by Undone I think you might want to consider slowing that one down too and adding some romantic expressiveness to your performance.

All of these things will come with time, practice and experience, but overall a very good job on both pieces.

Looking forward to some of you guys getting to Book 3 soon!

Regards, JF
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/29/09 07:47 AM

TTigg – Looking forward to hearing your recording in the upcoming recital. If your wife had managed to get a good recording of you playing this at the live recital and you submitted this to the ABF recital, we’d have to come up with a new medal for “double duty recital”. smile

Undone
Posted by: kennychaffin

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/29/09 08:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Undone
TTigg – Looking forward to hearing your recording in the upcoming recital. If your wife had managed to get a good recording of you playing this at the live recital and you submitted this to the ABF recital, we’d have to come up with a new medal for “double duty recital”. smile

Undone


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Posted by: PianoTeacherKim

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/29/09 09:59 AM

Hi all!

What's everyone working on this week?? smile

Waltz - I went to try and watch your videos, but YouTube isn't cooperating with me this morning. I'll have to try again this afternoon - looking forward to hearing, looks like you've gotten some good feedback!

Just wanted to pop in and say hello as I haven't posted on the Alfred's threads in a long while. Let me know if I can help or answer any questions!!

Best,

Kim
Posted by: wj3

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/29/09 10:22 AM

Hi all. I just started book 2, finished Down in the valley. It was pretty easy. Started the Bridal Chorus, Again pretty easy. Spending alot of time working on my recital piece. Looks like I might make it by May 14th.
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/29/09 02:56 PM

"ello there" Currently finishing up on "Marriage of Figaro" (middle measure with fast string of notes if not hand friendly) and "Theme from Festive Rhondu" then (drum roll) it's finishing the book #2 with Canon in D laugh.