The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend?

Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 01:30 PM

Okay, I know this idea may be a bit far-fetched, but what if?.

What if in a WAY future date we actually had a REAL recital somewhere. Say in a location in where everyone could plan a mini vacation trip around the actual recital like Las Vegas, San Diego, Disneyland etc.

We could all chip in a few bucks to rent out some small setting along with a really nicely prepped piano and not only finally get to meet one another in person, but perform for each other as well.

Yes, I know, at first this idea may seem a bit unrealistic, especially knowing that we have active members from all over the globe but it could happen if we really wanted it too.

A plane ticket, a hotel for a night or two and it could become a reality!.

Personally, I would do it and would love the chance to meet our other members as well and listen to them perform. Finally putting a face to a *user-name* would be kind of neat as well.

Like I said, this (for now) is just a far fetched thought but I would like to know what everyone else thinks about doing this and if we actually did it, would you attend?.
Posted by: epf

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 01:39 PM

Well, since I'm in Southern California and your proposed sites are all within 5 hours of driving -- sure! If, on the other hand, you were to propose someplace in New England in, say, January -- probably not (my blood has thinned since I left there in 1955).

In reality, sure, I'd consider almost any location even though I'm new here and not anywhere near as good piano player as most of the people on this forum.

Ed
Posted by: mahlzeit

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 02:05 PM

I think we should do some kind of world tour.

Anyway, I doubt I would attend because flying to the USA is expensive and they'd probably turn me back at the border. ;\)

Unless I can get me some fancy job that involves flying around the world...

A European event would be cool, though. \:\)
Posted by: little-big-man

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 02:26 PM

Perhaps London would be good on the tour, as we can't all get to USA, even if we wanted to.
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 05:03 PM

You know, I picked U.S cities as by Coppers maps, the vast majority of the ABF members live here in the U.S but that does'nt mean we can't look for an excuse to travel abroad!.

I would'nt mind visiting my family if Holland but for everyone else, it might be a little chillier than say going to Monte Carlo!.

I do think a U.S based location may have a better turnout just because of the amount of members we have over here; but then again, I DO have a lot of flyer miles built up just waiting to be used!.....Hmmm!.
Posted by: little-big-man

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 05:20 PM

Holland sounds good.
I propose Amsterdam.
Lots of fun to be had there.
Posted by: Astra

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 05:21 PM

Or there could be two: One in USA and one in Europe. \:\)
Posted by: Rosanna

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 05:32 PM

With the US $ so weak, going to Europe, especially the UK, would be mucho expensive!

On a realistic level, I feel a bit torn as to whether to attend. I would love to meet everyone in person and really get to know all of you in physical (vs cyber) space. I would feel terribly nervous about playing for you though. A live audience would be orders of magnitude more scary than the red dot. The hesitancy is 1. I feel like I would be deserting my hubby who isn't involved in anyway with ABF; 2. I really don't like to travel that much. Now may be if the gathering were in San Francisco... It's a very nice city to visit, lots of restaurants, good weather, wine country nearby, beautiful Pacific Coast, world famous Golden Gate Bridge, etc, etc. Interested?
Posted by: LaValse

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 05:56 PM

Gosh. And what about the cognitive models we've constructed of eachother. I'm comfortable with my imagery of Tina as a 22 stone body-building javlin thrower - do we really want reality to get in the way of fantasy...?

\:\)
Posted by: YD

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 06:01 PM

Hey, I vote San Francisco too :-)
Posted by: Mr. Widmore

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 06:25 PM

This sounds very interesting. My vote goes for the United Kingdom.
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 06:47 PM

Uh Oh, I can see it already. Location chosen by committee!! ;\)
Posted by: LaValse

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 07:07 PM

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Posted by: gmm1

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 07:08 PM

Hey Hunk since we're talking less then seriously - in today's world, why not a bi-oceanic get-together? You know, video uplinks from a major hotel in both cities (not really that expensive for a group) with big screens at both ends.

Anyone who can make either would be welcome, and maybe an excuse to visit London or Paris or Amsterdam or San Fran or even Omaha or Kansas City, or Montreal or Tronto/Detroit.

Would'nt that be cool, all the North Americans go to Europe and all the Europians come this way?

It does sound like a really fun week-end kinda thing. I would even go to Arizona, especially if in March (spring training for the Mariners).
Posted by: -Frycek

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 07:25 PM

I'd give it serious thought. If I could afford it I'd definitely come.
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by gmm1:

Would'nt that be cool, all the North Americans go to Europe and all the Europians come this way?

). [/b]
Yup, sure does. We could all wave to each other from the window seats in our planes! \:D
Posted by: TThomas

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by LaValse:
Gosh. And what about the cognitive models we've constructed of eachother. I'm comfortable with my imagery of Tina as a 22 stone body-building javlin thrower - do we really want reality to get in the way of fantasy...? [/b]
LOL!!!! \:D Oh my gosh, I log in to catch up on the day and this is what awaits me!? LaValse, you're a hoot! And YES - yes, we want reality to get in the way of that fantasy! (Err, unless it works for ya!) Besides, these days I'm more of a 9 stone Q-Tip thrower ;\)

Seriously though, this is a great idea and sounds like so much fun. I would definitely consider, depending upon location. For me, I'm in the same boat as Rosanna in that although my husband dabbles here and there with piano, he is not involved here and therefore convincing him to take a long trip such as this would present a challenge that would cause me to feel too selfish to press - unless y'all want to hit up some mountain bike trails afterward! But, have I ever mentioned how wonderful and beautiful Virginia is? There's something for EVERYONE here! \:\)

Tina
Posted by: Rosanna

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 09:07 PM

Come to think of it, MrSH's gorgeous adobe mansion house can certainly host us all...?
Posted by: LiszThalberg

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 09:12 PM

I was thinking about Isaac Stern Auditorium (2000+ seats) in Carnagie Hall... then we could all fly to MrSH's mansion/house.


Posted by: -Frycek

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by Rosanna:
Come to think of it, MrSH's gorgeous adobe mansion house can certainly host us all...? [/b]
And he has llamas.
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 09:56 PM

Hey, I've got the room and a soon to be delivered 7' M&H "BB" (currently in storage}, but the twist is that we are now at our ranch in northern Arizona and the weather is cold. (8k feet elev).

We are however less than 2 hours from the endless summer of Phoenix and not far from the grand canyon so who knows!.
Posted by: playadom

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 10:00 PM

Well, I'd love to do it, but there's absolutely no way I'd be able to.

Great idea though!
Posted by: epf

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by LaValse:
Perhaps we could meet anonymously - all wearing speedos...? \:\) [/b]
Trust me, in my case this would not be a good idea!

Ed
Posted by: playadom

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by epf:
 Quote:
Originally posted by LaValse:
Perhaps we could meet anonymously - all wearing speedos...? \:\) [/b]
Trust me, in my case this would not be a good idea!

Ed [/b]
I share your opinion!
Posted by: chopin952

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/22/07 11:38 PM

That would be very cool.

East Coast I'd drive. West Coast I'd fly. There's always a conference in my field around LA, San Fran, or San José. UK I'd consider it if timed properly with a vacation. The wife and I have always wanted to visit.
Posted by: text

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 03:47 AM

San Francisco gets my vote, been there a few times and as the big man says "left my heart" there...

Cheers


Text
Posted by: mahlzeit

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 04:43 AM

What if... we could finance this whole thing by making some money on the internet?

It's relatively easy to do so, especially when you have a fairly large group of enthusiastic people.

I don't have any specific ideas yet, just some experience making a living off the internet.

If we could make, let's say, $50.000 in the next year working together, we could host an nice ABF party anywhere in the world and fly everyone in for free. \:\)
Posted by: Boira

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 05:46 AM

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Originally posted by pian00b:
Or there could be two: One in USA and one in Europe. \:\) [/b]
This is a very good idea! It may be difficult flying to another continent, but planning a meeting in a location 'close' to your area can be a total success

I would try my best go to any city in Europe you may chose \:\) Amsterdam, London, Berlin...
Posted by: Ragnhild

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 06:42 AM

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Or there could be two: One in USA and one in Europe[/b]
So I will not have my once-in-a-lifetime big excuse to go to US then........ \:D

Ragnhild
Posted by: playadom

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 09:06 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mahlzeit:
What if... we could finance this whole thing by making some money on the internet?

It's relatively easy to do so, especially when you have a fairly large group of enthusiastic people.

I don't have any specific ideas yet, just some experience making a living off the internet.

If we could make, let's say, $50.000 in the next year working together, we could host an nice ABF party anywhere in the world and fly everyone in for free. \:\) [/b]
$50.000?
I'm just going to assume that this is because of where you live. I'm American, you confuse me!

At first glance $50.000 looks like 50 bucks, until I realize what's going on.

Just my $0,02...
Posted by: mahlzeit

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 09:53 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by playadom:
At first glance $50.000 looks like 50 bucks, until I realize what's going on.[/b]
50 "grand" then. \:\)

But seriously, think about it:

If there was some "ABF Party Fund" with $50,[/b]000 bucks in it, free to spend, wouldn't you accept an invitation to come to a party in San Fransisco with all your ABF friends, all expenses paid?

And by that I mean, roundtrip ticket for you and a guest (wherever you are in the world), one or two nights in a hotel, and plenty of food and drinks during the day?

I'm thinking a one or two-day event here, including a live recital of everyone willing to participate.

The more I think about it, the more fun it sounds!

Wouldn't you come? \:\)
Posted by: Monica K.

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 09:53 AM

I would definitely *want* to attend such a momentous event... but I'm guessing Life and Pragmatics would get in the way. Talking my family into making an AB recital our yearly vacation would be, I think, a tough sell. Going by myself would be possible, but it would depend on the time of year and my teaching schedule and how guilty I'd feel about leaving the kids.

So I guess I would say I love the idea in abstract but am somewhat doubtful about whether I'd actually feel able to go. \:\(
Posted by: playadom

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 09:59 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mahlzeit:
 Quote:
Originally posted by playadom:
At first glance $50.000 looks like 50 bucks, until I realize what's going on.[/b]
50 "grand" then. \:\)

But seriously, think about it:

If there was some "ABF Party Fund" with $50,[/b]000 bucks in it, free to spend, wouldn't you accept an invitation to come to a party in San Fransisco with all your ABF friends, all expenses paid?

And by that I mean, roundtrip ticket for you and a guest (wherever you are in the world), one or two nights in a hotel, and plenty of food and drinks during the day?

I'm thinking a one or two-day event here, including a live recital of everyone willing to participate.

The more I think about it, the more fun it sounds!

Wouldn't you come? \:\) [/b]
Well, I'd certainly come... if you can get the money. Remember, I'm just 14!
Posted by: playadom

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 10:00 AM

In fact, have it in NYC. That way you won't need to fly me out.
Posted by: Astra

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 11:32 AM

Hmm, mahlzeit, I wonder how would you get 50 000 dollars?
Posted by: playadom

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by pian00b:
Hmm, mahlzeit, I wonder how would you get 50 000 dollars? [/b]
Aha! Finally, someone represented 50k in a way that I like!

Perhaps he could go around automating recitals?
Posted by: mahlzeit

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by pian00b:
Hmm, mahlzeit, I wonder how would you get 50 000 dollars? [/b]
I knew someone was going to ask this, but getting the money is not the point.

The real question is: do people want to attend an awesome party, for free, even if it means flying to the other end of the world? And are people willing to put in some work to make that happen?

If the answer to those questions is YES! then making 50K is just one of the problems to tackle. Handling the logistics of everything is probably a worse problem. \:D

But to answer your question: You create money by providing something of value. First you create something of value, then you show it to the right people, and they will give you money in exchange for it.

The advantage of the internet is that you can do this with very low startup costs and overhead.

You basically set up a web site and a mailing list, then get as many potential customers as possible on the mailing list. Then you sell your products to these people.

The fact that people are on your mailing list means that they are interested in what you have to say and that they give you permission to market your products (or even other peoples' products) to them. To get and keep customers on your list, you provide relevant stuff for free on a regular basis (things of real value, not fluff).

One obvious line of products, for us, is (e)books about learning to play the piano. There is an enormous wealth of information in the archives of the ABF (and in the other Piano World forums). We could extract this information and put it in several downloadable books or CD's. I have no doubt that some of this stuff could rival (or even better, complement) other piano courses on the web.

This is just one possibility, there are many others.

The only thing it takes is time. If, let's say, 10 good ABF people volunteer to do this, then no one has to make a large time commitment and we can all still play the piano in our spare time. \:\)

So here's the answer to question where we would get 50,000 dollars: we convert our time and energy into 50,000 dollars. In other words, we make[/b] 50,000 dollars.

Now, if you have a 40-hour-a-week job and you don't make anything near that you might be thinking: "yeah, right". Believe me, there are plenty of people on the internet making a VERY comfortable living selling information products this way. MUCH more comfortable than 50K...

Of course this is a crazy idea, but I like my ideas crazy. \:D
Posted by: playadom

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 12:30 PM

Seriously, that sounds quite interesting. If you're actually going to attempt some type of moneymaking for this, I'd be more than willing to help.
Posted by: Musictuary

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 12:43 PM

Does anyone have any potential dates in mind for this live recital?
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 01:40 PM

First off, a quick note on money making.

Earning a bunch of money(legally) is extremely easy to do in a group setting. I can remember a few years back when Mrs Hunky and I were coaching the local swim team in town. We had 150 little "salesmen" available to us.

In just one weekend of fund raising, we made enough money to pay for everyones suits, goggles, swim bags, team towels as well as buy new lane lines for $10k and new starting blocks for $5k.
We literally had to think of things to buy for the team as we could'nt keep the money personally.

Back in junior high school, I went around selling pencils door to door for $1. I would ring peoples door bell and ask if they would like to buy a nice pencil for $1. Of course, they would always ask why and I would tell them that I would like to make enough money to buy a used car for high school in a couple of years.

The succses rate of my pencil selling was just about 100%!. Almost everybody bought one!. After about 3-4 hours of going door to door, I would bring home around $200 and remember, I was just a 15 year old kid back in the early 80's!.

After only a couple of months, I made enough loot to buy my dream car....a 1979 VW Rabbit..."Diesel"!!...Woo-hoo!!.

Anyway, the point is money should NOT be a reason to not participate as if we all got together as a group, the cash can easily be made.

I'm more interested if our ABF members would *seriously* consider participating in an actual formal real recital. You know, a nice concert setting with a REAL concert grand piano to perform on.

Some of us may have some built up frequent flyer miles that they can use. Others may just be looking for an excuse to take a vacation to a warmer or coder climate. I know I personally would love to meet some of our members personally and finally put a face to a name.

The chance to perform in front of a live audience in a real concert setting on a real concert grand may also be a once in a lifetime opportunity for some as well.

The logistics of doing this are very realistic so long as a location and date are chosen WELL in advance and are acceptable for most of us.

I still think (if there is any real interest of doing this) that we chose a location that can be turned into a vacation to justify the travel and time. Bring the spouse and kids!. One evening is dedicated to the live recital, the rest of your time can be Disneyland, Las Vegas or whatever/wherever!.

So, is there any REAL interest in doing this or are we forever stuck at our desks behind our monitors just dreaming what it would be like to perform at a concert hall in a real recital setting?. This could be our chance!.
Posted by: RhondaLynne

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 01:56 PM

I'd be willing to go wherever - but if I need a passport I need to know way ahead because I understand it takes a looooooong time these days. (I know, I'm an unsophisticated midwesterner who has yet to enrich her life with world travel.)

I've gotten to a place in my life where I've decided to just do things that previously I would have hemmed and hawed about for a while, wondering if I should or shouldn't, so now I just do it. No time to wonder what if.

So now that I wrote this, I should just go ahead and get that passport because you never know when an opportunity might present itself, like this!
Posted by: Musictuary

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 02:39 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:
I'm more interested if our ABF members would *seriously* consider participating in an actual formal real recital. You know, a nice concert setting with a REAL concert grand piano to perform on.

The chance to perform in front of a live audience in a real concert setting on a real concert grand may also be a once in a lifetime opportunity for some as well.

...

So, is there any REAL interest in doing this or are we forever stuck at our desks behind our monitors just dreaming what it would be like to perform at a concert hall in a real recital setting?. This could be our chance!. [/b]
I'm interested. Dates and locations may be an issue but if they are not I would love to have this opportunity.
Posted by: YD

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 02:45 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:

I'm more interested if our ABF members would *seriously* consider participating in an actual formal real recital. You know, a nice concert setting with a REAL concert grand piano to perform on.

[/b]
I'd be game if it fits reasonably well in my work schedule (meaning no end/beginning of quarter dates)...
Posted by: Van

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 03:13 PM

Send me free tickets and I'll go anywhere.

On the money side, the answer is obvious! Form a 501(c) nonprofit and start peddling all our ABF recital CDs, advertised as "real music by real people" \:D ...tickets goes to the participants under a weighted vesting schedule.

We can divert to more lucrative stock speculation and narco trafficking once we've got our seed money (speaking of which, members well versed in the bureaucratic grant application process should get cracking) \:D
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 03:55 PM

Yuri and others:

Since there DOES seem to be some interest in this opportunity to perform in front of other members with similar experience/ability levels while possibly combining a location into a family vacation for some, two main iteams need to be addressed. Where and when?.

I think the "when" should be WAY[/b] in the future...(next summer, next year etc), so there is NO scheduling conflicts for anyone.

The "where" will obviously be open to good suggestions that make sense. Since some members may be taking the family or making a mini vacation out of this, Fargo North Dakota may not be the best choice in the dead of winter!!

If this is going to happen, suggestions of sensible locations are greatly encouraged as well as a future date WAY ahead of time.

Just think, if we all actually work together and pull this off, we will ALL have the opportunity to perform in a large concert hall in a LIVE recital setting on a well tuned concert grand.... You might want to bring a video camera for this one!! ;\)
Posted by: little-big-man

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 04:13 PM

I think that it's a great idea, but for some, it's just a pipe dream.

I'll be lucky if I can afford to take the family to Bognor Regis this summer.

P.S. Is Fargo a real place. I thought it was just a fictional film location where everyone says Ja instead of yes. lol.
Posted by: Rosanna

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 05:20 PM

On reading MrSH's later posts, I would say that I am more interested in the social aspect than the recital aspect. I got back into playing solely for my own enjoyment and a live recital actually would make me feel a lot more pressure than I care to handle!! (I am not putting down the live recital idea tho'.)

Not being a business minded person, I appreciate hearing enterprising ideas of how the ABF can make money to support such an event. I would be wiling to assist in the effort if it comes to that.

If travel expenses were paid for, it definitely takes away one consideration for me.

I don't understand what Van said about "tickets goes to the participants under a weighted vesting schedule" - lack of business understanding here.

And finally don't you wonder what Frank B. has to say if the ABF tries to make money out of the content of this forum?? It's not for us to decide, is it?
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 08:47 PM

Hi Rosanna.

Some of our members may actually very much look forward to being able to participate in such an event while others may not.

Some may view an event like this as just added stress while others may see this as the opportunity of their piano playing life time!.

"Different strokes!" Everyone is certainly invited and it's up to each individual to choose to participate or not depending if they would welcome such an experience or if it would just cause them more stress.

One comment I may add is that people play piano for various reasons. Personal enjoyment, satisfaction, or whatever.

If, and I mean "IF" someones goal is to not only improve but also someday perform in front of others or in public, sooner or later they will actually have to do just that.

What better enviroment than a group of familiar friends with the same abilites and goals in mind?. On the other hand, it would be wrong to participate (although you could still attend) if an event like this causes you nothing but stress, nerves and gas!! as that would also be defeating the purpose.

At this point, we are just tossing some very rough idea's around. If there is interest, we can all pusue this idea further. If not, it dies!.

So far, it seems that some members are for it, others are not and some may be undecided. Who knows where this will lead!
Posted by: LiszThalberg

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 10:23 PM

What about something on the middle of the east coast? DC area?
Posted by: TX-Dennis

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 11:29 PM

How about holding it in beautiful Midland, Texas. Then we could all tour the George Bush childhood home and drive by the places he lived as an adult. Then we could . . . umm . . . umm . . . hmm . . . there MUST be something interesting to do around here. \:D
Posted by: LiszThalberg

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 11:34 PM

Cliburn competition near there Dennis? I'm not very familiar with Texas, even though my father is from there and is a full AGGIE fan. (it was crazy at my house tonight... the Aggies beat the Longhorns)
Posted by: Roger Ransom

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/23/07 11:53 PM

Then there's always the possibility that we have conceived images of the people here that are so far from reality that we wouldn't even like each other when we are not communicating with an avatar or a mind created image.

In my experience, reality rarely meets our sweet imagination.

Unfortunately people usually disappoint me and I'd rather just experiance forum members in the abstract.

It's an interesting idea though and I'm certain many or most don't share my cynical viewpoint.
Posted by: funburger

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 01:30 AM

i say raise the 50k and at the end of the year we can have a competition online live recital and vote for the best and buy that person the grand they have always dreamed of!!! :p

seriously you think that much money can be raised from the abf???
Posted by: Van

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 02:03 AM

Come on, there's only one viable place for this meet...the Aleutian Islands, haven't you seen Copper's map? \:D
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 02:15 AM

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Originally posted by Roger Ransom:
Then there's always the possibility that we have conceived images of the people here that are so far from reality that we wouldn't even like each other when we are not communicating with an avatar or a mind created image.


. [/b]
Ha Ha, good one. Actually, if you've ever seen the Austin Powers movie with "Fat Bastard", you know, the guy that sais "I want to eat the baby" all the time, thats actually me! :p
Posted by: -Frycek

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 02:23 AM

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Originally posted by little-big-man:

P.S. Is Fargo a real place. I thought it was just a fictional film location where everyone says Ja instead of yes. lol. [/b]
Fargo is real place, a real life film location where everyone say Ja instead of yes. (The area was originally heavily settled by Swedes. My theory is that no one ever actually learned English. They just kept on speaking Swedish until it mutated.)
Posted by: Rosanna

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 03:21 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:
Hi Rosanna.

Some of our members may actually very much look forward to being able to participate in such an event while others may not.

Some may view an event like this as just added stress while others may see this as the opportunity of their piano playing life time!.

"Different strokes!" [/b]
MrSH, don't get me wrong. I would fully support having a life recital if there is a consensus. My earlier post was coming from the point where I "discovered" on re-reading your post that it's more about a life recital than about a ABF get-together. Then I realized that I would shy from the recital part - but not the get-together part! I fully understand the joy, excitement and gratification of performing for a live audience - just doesn't happen to be a goal for me, that's all.
Posted by: mahlzeit

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 05:34 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Rosanna:
I would say that I am more interested in the social aspect than the recital aspect.[/b]
I'd be interested in both. Such an event for me would be part recital, part hanging out and teaching each other piano tricks.

 Quote:
Originally posted by Rosanna:
And finally don't you wonder what Frank B. has to say if the ABF tries to make money out of the content of this forum?? It's not for us to decide, is it? [/b]
It was just one business idea. Also, I did not mean we would copy&paste the forum contents. But you can certainly take the ideas and knowledge from these forums and put them in a structured, readable book (or whatever) and sell it as your own. There is no law that protects ideas or the discussion of ideas. (Nor would it diminish the value or appeal of these forums.) And of course we'd invite Frank B. to the party. ;\)
Posted by: mahlzeit

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 05:36 AM

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Originally posted by funburger:
seriously you think that much money can be raised from the abf??? [/b]
No. But I never said we would "raise money from the ABF". I said: let's get some people from the ABF together to make[/b] money. \:\)
Posted by: Astra

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 06:19 AM

Id be willing to help but only at weekends, because only then I have enough time.

So, if we're going to realize this idea - count me in! \:\)
Posted by: rocky

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 12:31 PM

I would be interested!!! Not so much for the recital aspect, although I could be one to prove that this is the "beginners" forum!! \:D
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 01:28 PM

Rocky, you always have such a great spirit!
Posted by: Kawaigirl1

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by Van:
Come on, there's only one viable place for this meet...the Aleutian Islands, haven't you seen Copper's map? \:D [/b]
LOL....now that's a good place to meet \:D
Posted by: little-big-man

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 02:19 PM

Perhaps if we wait till there is a space station with a "Concert Grand" on it, we can all go there.

Then we would all have to travel equal distance.

And no-one else could hear our mistakes.

Sorry, my mistakes.
Posted by: Euphonatrix

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 05:17 PM

I love the two-locations-big-screen-uplink idea ... has anyone seen "Last night of the Proms" in recent years? Since there is so much interest that Royal Albert Hall is no longer big enough, they have four concerts taking place simultaneously all over Britain, video conference style.
We could chose a weekend and have four recital sessions (two live in the US, two in Europe), each broadcast to the other location ...

\:\)
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 05:38 PM

Ok lets do it. who wants to organize it?
Posted by: -Frycek

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 06:46 PM

And a deafening silence ensues - - -
Posted by: playadom

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 06:55 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:
Ok lets do it. who wants to organize it? [/b]
Don't look at me, I don't think I'm legally capable of doing stuff like that...
Posted by: YD

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 07:00 PM

S-H:

Let's decide on location first. If we choose SF, I am game to be on "organizing committee." (if elsewhere in the West, I am game too, but my involvement will be less) It will certainly take some monetary resources (like renting appropriate venue, for example), however, so that will have to be resolved too. (now, any ideas on how to earn some cash to pay for these?) In any case, I suggest that if we decide to do it, we start planning way in advance, like 12-18 months.
Posted by: epf

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 07:04 PM

I, too, am willing to help on a committee if we choose the West Coast (especially if it's Southern California). I cannot commit the time to chair such a committee, nor can I do more than assist -- but I am willing to do that.

Ed
Posted by: playadom

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 07:05 PM

Perhaps we could have this occur at the same time as one of the Chopin recitals?
Posted by: little-big-man

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 07:16 PM

If it's in the south of England I am here to help.

USA? no hopes.
Posted by: -Frycek

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 07:26 PM

In the unlikely event that we decide to hold it in Deliverance country, I'm here to help.
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 07:40 PM

Well I'd be happy to offer to host the event here in Arizona. I do have a new M&H 7 ft "BB" semi-concert grand and plenty of room however, a *real* concert hall type setting would be really neat.

If we are to do this, I say go all out. Formal evening wear, nice venue and we could rent a 7 or even 9 ft concert grand to perform on.

Possibly hire a videographer to film the entire event.

Refreshments and schrimp cocktail!.
Posted by: -Frycek

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 07:51 PM

Sushi
Posted by: Rosanna

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 07:53 PM

Frycek, you are on the food commitee!
Posted by: Copper

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 07:53 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:
Well I'd be happy to offer to host the event here in Arizona.[/b]
What a great idea!

I took a few minutes to add up the latitudes and longitudes of the 37 known recitals locations in the USA. Then I divided the result by 37.

It turns out that the geographic center of this group is approximately in Safe, Missouri - about 85 miles south west of St. Louis.

I checked it out on Google Earth, there doesn’t seem to be much there. I think it would be better at S-H’s house. I wish I could attend, but that is unlikely.
Posted by: playadom

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 08:23 PM

Assuming I get flied out there, I'd love to play on that 9-ft rent-a-grand in sunny Arizona while enjoying sushi!
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 08:26 PM

Copper:

It may be time for one of your famous survey's. Maybe a poll to see who would go, who won't and who's undecided. But then again, like Yuri said, a location must be chosen first.

How about a location poll first. Possibly take the suggested location (minus the aelution islands) as well as a write in category.
Posted by: TThomas

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 08:29 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by -Frycek:
Sushi [/b]
 Quote:
Originally posted by Rosanna:
Frycek, you are on the food commitee! [/b]
Aww, man! I thought SC's gift to the food world was peach pie?

Tina
Posted by: Pathbreaker

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 08:30 PM

I haven't been around much lately but I must say this sounds better with every post.
Posted by: TThomas

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 08:32 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:
Copper:

It may be time for one of your famous survey's. Maybe a poll to see who would go, who won't and who's undecided. But then again, like Yuri said, a location must be chosen first.

How about a location poll first. Possibly take the suggested location (minus the aelution islands) as well as a write in category. [/b]
Agreed, as location may be the top influence for who may be able to swing it or not.

Tina
Posted by: Mistaya

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 08:35 PM

Time of year would be important to me - when were you thinking of holding this?
Posted by: -Frycek

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 08:56 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by TThomas:
 Quote:
Originally posted by -Frycek:
Sushi [/b]
 Quote:
Originally posted by Rosanna:
Frycek, you are on the food commitee! [/b]
Aww, man! I thought SC's gift to the food world was peach pie?

Tina [/b]
That's one of them. Along with pecan pie, Lady Baltimore Cake, red rice, she crab soup, bbq and cornbread dressing, not to mention hoppin' john, collards, shrimp & grits, and Frogmore stew - - -

(Frogmore is a town - no frogs were harmed in the making of this stew)
Posted by: TThomas

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 09:02 PM

LOL, Frycek - now THAT'S what I'M talkin' about! \:D My vote is for the SC mountains!

p.s. - don't we have some bluegrass players here, too? We could really have ourselves a throw-down!

Tina
Posted by: epf

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/24/07 09:39 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by playadom:
Assuming I get flied out there, I'd love to play on that 9-ft rent-a-grand in sunny Arizona while enjoying sushi! [/b]
gerg,

Hmmm...wouldn't that make the keys sticky what with all that sushi on them? ;\)

Ed
Posted by: TX-Dennis

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/25/07 01:58 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
Cliburn competition near there Dennis? I'm not very familiar with Texas, even though my father is from there and is a full AGGIE fan. (it was crazy at my house tonight... the Aggies beat the Longhorns) [/b]
Nah, 300+ miles away in Fort Worth, I believe. Darn those Aggies. \:D
Posted by: mahlzeit

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/25/07 05:20 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:
How about a location poll first. Possibly take the suggested location (minus the aelution islands) as well as a write in category. [/b]
Not just location, but general interest. And how far people are willing (or able) to travel. Maybe we should create an official "poll" somewhere so the results are easier to tally.

About the concert hall: the city where I live has a music school that has its own concert hall that is for rent. It seats about 250 people and comes with a grand piano (and a bar!). A venue like that would be ideal for our purposes.
Posted by: epf

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/25/07 08:33 AM

We might also consider colleges and universities that have recital halls -- those can often be rented and usually have access to concert grand pianos.

Ed
Posted by: LiszThalberg

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/25/07 09:47 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by TX-Dennis:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
Cliburn competition near there Dennis? I'm not very familiar with Texas, even though my father is from there and is a full AGGIE fan. (it was crazy at my house tonight... the Aggies beat the Longhorns) [/b]
Nah, 300+ miles away in Fort Worth, I believe. Darn those Aggies. \:D [/b]
Gig-em
Posted by: playadom

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/25/07 09:49 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by -Frycek:
 Quote:
Originally posted by TThomas:
 Quote:
Originally posted by -Frycek:
Sushi [/b]
 Quote:
Originally posted by Rosanna:
Frycek, you are on the food commitee! [/b]
Aww, man! I thought SC's gift to the food world was peach pie?

Tina [/b]
That's one of them. Along with pecan pie, Lady Baltimore Cake, red rice, she crab soup, bbq and cornbread dressing, not to mention hoppin' john, collards, shrimp & grits, and Frogmore stew - - -

(Frogmore is a town - no frogs were harmed in the making of this stew) [/b]
Well... I want some of those collards! Right now!
Posted by: IPlay

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/27/07 07:32 PM

I'm not an active forum member but I am a true adult beginner who enjoys meeting others who have taken up the same challenge. So, I couldn't resist commenting on this thread. I see a very good idea here with little hope of execution as a single, nation wide event. This is an idea that needs to "walk before it runs". Why not try smaller, multiple, regional events - Northeast, Southeast, Midwest, West coast for example. Local universities with music programs sounds like the best idea to me for auditoriums and pianos. Certainly we know piano teachers with connections that could help make these arrangements. If the smaller gatherings go well, there could be momentum for a larger gathering. This idea just needs some regional leadership by a few people with time and energy to pull it together.

I'm interested in this because I think the lack of experience playing in front of others is one of the elements that makes us (maybe keeps us) beginners. I've tried it once and it is a challenging experience for a beginner - at least it was for me - and very different from practice, lessons and even my teacher's recital. This seems like a challenging yet safe environment to gain some of this experience. I would try to attend a Midwest gathering.
Posted by: Triryche

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/27/07 11:30 PM

IPlay,

Welcome to the forum!!

Walking before running isn’t a bad idea.
But…
Mr. S-H really has a knack for planting these ever so ingenious seeds.
The more I think about it, the more hyped I become. Although I have to admit, I would probably soil my fruit of the looms in the process.

I personally think 2010 is a conservative goal, 2009 reasonable, 2008 somewhat aggressive. If we do a poll, we should include how far in the future.
But yeah, let’s do this!!
Posted by: Musictuary

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/27/07 11:32 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IPlay:
I'm not an active forum member but I am a true adult beginner who enjoys meeting others who have taken up the same challenge. So, I couldn't resist commenting on this thread. I see a very good idea here with little hope of execution as a single, nation wide event. This is an idea that needs to "walk before it runs". Why not try smaller, multiple, regional events - Northeast, Southeast, Midwest, West coast for example. Local universities with music programs sounds like the best idea to me for auditoriums and pianos. Certainly we know piano teachers with connections that could help make these arrangements. If the smaller gatherings go well, there could be momentum for a larger gathering. This idea just needs some regional leadership by a few people with time and energy to pull it together.

I'm interested in this because I think the lack of experience playing in front of others is one of the elements that makes us (maybe keeps us) beginners. I've tried it once and it is a challenging experience for a beginner - at least it was for me - and very different from practice, lessons and even my teacher's recital. This seems like a challenging yet safe environment to gain some of this experience. I would try to attend a Midwest gathering. [/b]
Hello IPlay,

Welcome to the forums.

Actually there have been a couple of smaller gatherings around the USA. These gatherings tend to be informal rather than a more formal event I believe Mr. SH is envisioning. I believe there is one such informal gathering scheduled for this weekend in MA. In fact a couple of us ABFers in the Chicagoland area met this past summer at a forum member's home for an informal get-together taking turns playing for each other. That get-together was quite a boost for all of us in overcoming nervousness playing for others.

We have quite a few members in the Chicagoland area so it looks like we may be overdue for another get-together.

I don't want to detract from what Mr. SH is trying to do. I think it's a great idea and if executed would take us ABFers to the next level in our piano playing. We all would definitely benefit from such an event. Given that ABFers are worldwide, no one location will satisfy everyone. Nevertheless even if I am unable to attend such an event I would like to know that such an event exists that provides a genuine performance opportunity for a real amateur like myself and many other ABFers. However your point is well taken if we tried to expand on Mr SH's idea on a more regional scale within the USA and outside of the USA so that the majority of the ABFers would have greater access to a live performance opportunity.
Posted by: Amy J

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/27/07 11:52 PM

I'm in. I'll bring GOMSB, my DH, and Erica, the lil geek-mini-me. She's been playing for over a year now and she's a hell of a salesman (woman). She'll get our money out of gradeschool children! "Hey, isn't that an ATM by the gym?" Girlscouts never had it so good until she quit.
Posted by: Piano World

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/28/07 08:24 AM

 Quote:


Welcome to the forums.

Actually there have been a couple of smaller gatherings around the USA. These gatherings tend to be informal rather than a more formal event I believe Mr. SH is envisioning. I believe there is one such informal gathering scheduled for this weekend in MA. In fact a couple of us ABFers in the Chicagoland area met this past summer at a forum member's home for an informal get-together taking turns playing for each other. That get-together was quite a boost for all of us in overcoming nervousness playing for others. [/b]
You can view threads on a number of piano parties, piano factory tours, etc. here...

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/forum/22.html

This special edition of our newsletter talks about a couple of big upcoming parties and even a repeat of a famous "piano crawl" we had a few years ago in NY
http://www.pianoworld.com/Newsletters/Newsletter_Nov_26_2007.html

We've had PWPF get togethers at a number of piano dealers showrooms, which might be a thought for this project (lots of room and lots of pianos).

Or, if anyone is a member of an organization (K of C, Lions Club, etc.) you may be able to get a deal on a hall, and get a local dealer to supply the piano(s).

For example, there is a party coming up this Saturday (Dec. 1) at Larry Buck's Custom Piano Service shop in Lowell, MA ( http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/22/145.html ).

Larry is providing the space (and he has a lot of it), and Darrell's Music Hall in Nashua, NH http://www.darrellsmusichall.com/index.php is supplying two Schimmel pianos.

Now if you could just get a sponsor to help underwrite the costs, like:
The Piano Manufacturers Association International, or NAMM, or... Anybody know Oprah?
Posted by: Piano World

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/28/07 08:32 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:
Copper:

It may be time for one of your famous survey's. Maybe a poll to see who would go, who won't and who's undecided. But then again, like Yuri said, a location must be chosen first.

How about a location poll first. Possibly take the suggested location (minus the aelution islands) as well as a write in category. [/b]
I've turned on the ability to create polls in the ABF, please don't abuse it.
Posted by: Les Koltvedt

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/28/07 05:48 PM

That's it Frank...a ABF gathering on Oprah's show...Chicago...


HEY OPRAHHHHHH
Posted by: TThomas

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/28/07 07:46 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Monster M&H:
That's it Frank...a ABF gathering on Oprah's show...Chicago...


HEY OPRAHHHHHH [/b]
Actually, I can see Oprah happily doing a show like this! Just sayin'! And then, in true Oprah style, right before the show is over she announces that she's giving us each a gorgeous grand piano to take home with us!

Tina
Posted by: Rosanna

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/28/07 08:00 PM

Tina, I like that last part!
Posted by: IPlay

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/28/07 08:22 PM

Thanks for the welcoming replys. Please don't misunderstand my opinion of the original idea. I think it is a wonderful idea. I love the idea. It just seemed to me like I read 4 pages of messages that really didn't move the idea forward. I don't have the time to make it happen so I'm not being critical. I was just suggesting a smaller event that might not be as difficult to pull off.

I'll keep watching for something happening in the Chicago area (formal or informal) or if someone is organizing something specifically in this area please let me know. Thanks
Posted by: Musictuary

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/28/07 09:58 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by TThomas:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Monster M&H:
That's it Frank...a ABF gathering on Oprah's show...Chicago...


HEY OPRAHHHHHH [/b]
Actually, I can see Oprah happily doing a show like this! Just sayin'! And then, in true Oprah style, right before the show is over she announces that she's giving us each a gorgeous grand piano to take home with us!

Tina [/b]
Let's hope Oprah gives us each the money to pay the taxes on the grand piano.
Posted by: Rosanna

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/28/07 11:20 PM

IPlay, it seems like it happens often around on the ABF threads that ideas don't get moved forward after many posts!! We seem to like to digress and be silly - for better or for worse! Hope you don't mind joining this nuthouse group \:D
Posted by: mahlzeit

Re: The *Ultimate* ABF event, would you attend? - 11/29/07 05:06 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Rosanna:
it seems like it happens often around on the ABF threads that ideas don't get moved forward after many posts!![/b]
Oh? \:\)

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/32/5421/1.html