Ultimate Event Location Survey

Posted by: Copper

Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/24/07 10:46 PM

OK, since S-H asked I'll kick off a survey.

Whether people may actually show up seems to be a question, so let's try to poll this way:

Please tell us where and when you would be likely to attend.[/b]

For example: Orlando in March

As far as I’m concerned there aren’t a lot of rules here, if you want to vote more than once – go ahead.

Do some lobbying if you like, but please keep it brief.
Posted by: LiszThalberg

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/24/07 10:48 PM

D.C. area... spring break.
Posted by: playadom

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/24/07 10:55 PM

Hmm. October 2008 seems nice, because it could be like a live-semi-realization of the prelude recital.

Spring break is a tricky thing. For me, it's in early March, but for many, it can be spread all across March and April.

I'd be available pretty much anytime though.

As for location, I think NYC would be easiest, but I could probably go as far as DC, or even SC, assuming that money isn't made for my airfare.
Posted by: YD

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/24/07 11:10 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by playadom:

As for location, I think NYC would be easiest, but I could probably go as far as DC, or even SC, assuming that money isn't made for my airfare. [/b]
I vote San Francisco and let's make some money here to buy a few of our "almost adult" members airfare :-)

Seriously, while SF or any other West Coast location is certainly my #1 preference, I just might make NY - I go there on business once in a while and might schedule it around the event if I know the time sufficiently in advance.
Posted by: YD

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/24/07 11:17 PM

By the way, here is a money making proposition, which I would be willing to start working on:

We have so much real world learning experience here, that we could probably make a decent piano learning guide, complete with different levels, selection of pieces appropriate for different levels and a companion CD with members playing these pieces. We could start by setting up a Wiki server (I can do it in about a week if I put my head to it; I am sure Mahlzeit can do it in a day) and we could see how it goes in a few weeks time :-)

If enough members are interested, we could create a separate thread here to kick ideas around...

Anybody?
Posted by: LiszThalberg

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/24/07 11:20 PM

I would be happy to organize a guide. Believe me, I am no writer... but I am great to bounce ideas around with and I know the learning process well. Isn't ShiroKiro a writer?
Posted by: epf

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/24/07 11:57 PM

Well, I like the idea of the West Coast, but Phoenix would be good too. I would think the fall before school starts (to allow our, um, "almost adults" to participate).

As for a "guide" -- I'd be happy to help write it (I'm a published author with eight books out so far).

Ed
Posted by: Rosanna

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/25/07 02:46 AM

I second fall before school starts. Seems like a time when most people would be available during that time.

San Francisco is my biased choice...

Sedona is an awesome place, near enough to Phoenix, but superbly beautiful and a worthwhile destination in itself.
Posted by: funburger

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/25/07 03:03 AM

fall 2008=ca, az, nv. of course this is because its closer;)
Posted by: -Frycek

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/25/07 05:37 AM

Health and finances permitting to I'll go just about any place any time. I would suggest SF, NYC or London, Spring or Fall of 2009. Or BOSTON where we could also have a ABF day trip to the Fredericks Piano Museum.

http://www.frederickcollection.org/index.html
Posted by: Astra

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/25/07 06:06 AM

If we will have to pay by ourselves then I vote for England. (or any other place in Europe)

If we will have th travelling paid then it doesnt really matter.

It would be a little hard to to come in the first half of the year, but after that - anytime. ((maybe) July, August, September, October ...)

Also, Im willing to help raising money. (altough my help wouldnt be really 'super important' cause Im a beginner myself)
Posted by: gmm1

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/25/07 09:23 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by funburger:
fall 2008=ca, az, nv. of course this is because its closer;) [/b]
Well, just about everywhere has "Specials" to Vegas available for groups, and we all know there are tons of rooms/mini-stage type stuff for rent (no clue as to how much), and if we use one major hotel out-of-season, perhaps some really great block-rates might come available....

So, I will attend if possible, and vote for Las Vegas (or maybe Atlantic City if they offer the same type of deal - I have only seen them for Vegas, though).

EDIT - this choice would give spouses/others options if piano is not their thing....or maybe not.....
Posted by: playadom

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/25/07 09:32 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Rosanna:
I second fall before school starts. Seems like a time when most people would be available during that time.
[/b]
Now that you mention it, that would probably work.

Only problem is staggered school starts. I don't start until the 2nd week of September, but I know schools where they start midway through August.
Posted by: Theowne

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/25/07 10:45 AM

I would probably only be able to attend if it was in Toronto or somewhere near Toronto. I can't fly anywhere right now for health reasons, and I don't really like going down to America, especially since I'd probably be by myself. In other words....one less traveling fee you have to worry about \:D
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/25/07 01:50 PM

Appealing to the majority of our members (yes, I know this is not fair to our euro members), I would choose either Las Vegas or southern California.

The reasons are that virtually all airlines fly there many times per day/hour and very cheap airfair can be had from numerous locations.

Assuming people may want to make a mini vacation out of this as well, both Vegas and southern California have a ton of recreation activites to fill that need. (SeaWorld, ammusement parks, ocean/beaches etc).

As far as timing, my vote is for late summer/early fall '08. Possibly just before Labor day. This seems to be the time of year that most will have available without possible school/work schedule conflicts.

Location will probably be a rented music hall from a local university with a nice venue and piano.

Again, refreshments and schrimp cocktail are a must.!
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/25/07 01:58 PM

Btw, here's an idea to help level the financial playing field for our members who wish to attend but may incur much more traveling expenses.

For now, lets just say we came up with a way to raise some moohla. (an easy way like selling our own cd's or something but lets not get stuck on that right now).

With all the collected funds, we could possibly have some type of graded scale of "assistance" to distribute the money evenly bsaed on travel expenses.

Since (I'm assuming) it would be far less expensive for members in the U.S to travel to a U.S city, we would offer more financial assistance to members coming from abroad as for them NOT to incur more expense.

Yes, I know this may not be realistic in terms of raising enough money to do this but we are just talking and exploring possible ideas at this point.

Lets not count this idea out without at least giving a few suggestions a try.
Posted by: LiszThalberg

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/25/07 05:04 PM

If it does not occur on the East Coast, I would probably not attend. I would be happy to raise money and help all I can. It would be a great step forward from being avatars and sentances to being people in the ABF.

Matt
Posted by: Rosanna

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/25/07 05:07 PM

While I agree that S. CA and Vegas are very practical in terms of airfare, recreation opporunities (and weather too), we should give the E. Coast another consideration because it's shorter (and cheaper)for our European members - that's assuming there are European members considering attending.

Someone mentioned the UK. I think that's not a good idea.
1. that's a longer way for most US members to fly.
2. with the US $ so weak, I can tell you it hurts the wallet mightily. It's even expensive for continental Europeans to go to the UK.
Posted by: RhondaLynne

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/25/07 05:59 PM

After looking at the map from the latest recital, it looks like most of the participants are located in the midwest and east/southeast. So I would suggest Chicago - a great destination for tourists (all ages), vacations, music venues, attractions, it's easy to get around, etc, and we're really friendly here.
Posted by: loveschopintoomuch

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/25/07 07:55 PM

For personal and family health reasons, I won't be able to attend; however, I would be willing to "donate" my "airfare" to the "fund."

Kathleen
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/25/07 08:03 PM

Actually Kathleen, you just made me think of another possibility.

Because we run a business and have lots of expenditures, we pay for everything on Visa. As a result, we get frequent flyer mile credits built up which we cannot possibly all use up.

While I can't guesstimate how many miles of airfare I will have built up next year, we usually exceed what we actually use.

If I end up with more miles than what we would use, I would donate the remaining free tickets to the *fund*.

Others may possibly be in a similar situation and can also contribute an extra unused ticket.

Many plans do not let you carry over miles after a certain time so it's either "use em or lose em". Why not give them to some of our members?.
Posted by: jotur

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/26/07 01:23 PM

It does seem to me Las Vegas is a really workable idea for all the reasons stated above. Plus, of course, my brother is a professional musician at the NY NY casino there \:\) and we could party down afterwards. Too bad there's not a recital hall (there's a small cafe with a piano) at the Liberace museum there, but it would make a good side trip.

I also like the two venues across the pond from each other with a big screen set up for live transmission, but I don't have any expertise in that area.

So I'm interested, but wouldn't make any *guarantees* about able to make it. And I'd love to meet other ABFers whether they recited or not. Maybe there could just be an afterglow where anyone could sit down and play.

Cathy
Posted by: rocky

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/26/07 07:00 PM

I'll add a vote for Vegas too. I've never been and I love to gamble...although I never win, what's up with that? \:D
Posted by: rustyfingers

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/26/07 08:05 PM

I would probably not be able to travel because of family obligations, even if the money issue were solved.

However, my overseas high school has periodic reunions in Las Vegas, which seem to be pretty popular, so that might be a good spot.

I would also encourage people to participate in local forums get-togethers, like the one in Lowell, MA this coming Saturday.

They are much smaller scale than what we've been talking about, but once you attend a few of those and meet some forumites in person, you're hooked and then you start looking people up when your travelling for other reasons, and then parties start popping up all over the place.
Posted by: Triryche

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/26/07 11:36 PM

I vote for Milwaukee, not just because I live there, but it could be during Summer Fest ;\) .

Other than that, I would probably do anything in the US. We do one big vacation every other year, and my ’08 vacation is planned and all but booked, but if it were Vegas, I just might get the wife on board, we haven’t been there yet and she’s dying to go, win-win situation!!
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/27/07 07:26 PM

San Francisco is awesome- I've been there a couple times. Las Vegas is also fun, for a while. Lots of stuff to do in the Boston area- I know that very well! \:\) Oh, heck, if timing and money were good, I'd go just about anywhere! And timing isn't that much of an issue- no job, no kids at home, no school, etc.
Posted by: silla

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/27/07 08:15 PM

San Francisco would sure make it easy for me! ;\) Las Vegas might make more sense for everyone collectively, though. I've never been to Vegas and wouldn't mind an excuse to visit. But it would probably mean being on my own, since my husband doesn't travel well... \:\(
Posted by: Ragnhild

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/28/07 03:00 AM

If I shall plan to cross the Atlantic it will not be possible before spring/summer 09 I'm afraid....

(but I'd love to taste your sushi, Frycek )

Ragnhild
Posted by: cruiser

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/28/07 04:27 AM

I'd love to attend! I've only been to the States twice in my life and both times to Daytona Bikeweek! :rolleyes: There's a lot of your beautiful country left for me to see - San Francisco is very appealing, Vegas not so much - but I'd consider anywhere, apart from Daytona again (which I loved, btw!) \:\)
Posted by: -Frycek

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/28/07 08:53 AM

RE Sushi, sorry Ragnhild, I only eat it, not make it. That was a suggestion to the catering committee.
Personally I find the idea of SF much more appealing than Vegas. If it ends up being a West Coast location SF would be my first choice.
Posted by: ddh

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/29/07 04:41 PM

Chicago, early fall 08 or 09.

Chicago is mucho closer to Canada.

2009 would be better for me since I will be retired and free to go :p
Posted by: Schubertian

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/29/07 09:44 PM

I vote for Lebanon Kansas - the purported center of the 48 states.
Posted by: Schubertian

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/29/07 09:48 PM

I vote for Lebanon Kansas - the purported center of the 48 states.
Posted by: little-big-man

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 11/30/07 06:19 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Rosanna:
Someone mentioned the UK. I think that's not a good idea.

I can tell you it hurts the wallet mightily. It's even expensive for continental Europeans to go to the UK. [/b]
It's even too expensive for most of us Brits to live in the UK. \:\(
Posted by: Terrytunes

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/03/07 10:39 PM

Most of you have hopefully noticed the gathering that took place on 12/1 at Larry Buck's shop in Lowell, MA.

I spoke with Larry today and mentioned the ABF group was seeking a destination spot to gather. Larry would like for you to all know he would welcome the idea of hosting an event at his shop.

May would appear to be an active month for piano related events with the M&H factory tour that is offered the first week of May. The Fredericks would be hosting their spring concert series on weekends in May along with tours of the study center, which are open most of the year with the exception of the frigid winter months.


Besides flying into Boston, better rates can sometimes be found at the airport in Manchester, NH which is a short distance to the Lowell area.

I thought I'd just offer this info and if there is any interest I'd be more than delighted to assist with further details.

Put a couple of musical days aside for yourself and come visit the MA PW group.

Maybe we could talk Mak into making some of her famous award winning chili! And I'll buy the shrimp!!
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/04/07 12:28 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Terrytunes:
And I'll buy the shrimp!! [/b]
Hmmm, sounds tempting. I've never been to san Francisco and it could be a much classier location than Vegas. Then again,..well forget it.

Terrytunes, are we talking Jumbo shrimp or kroger 61-70 count stuff? \:D
Posted by: ddh

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/04/07 09:58 AM

Yep, Jumbo shrimps in Boston sound great

Unfortunately, the Bruins will be out playing golf \:D

Daniel
Posted by: vayapues

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/04/07 10:41 AM

Just found this thread.
I would love to attend an event such as this. It would thrill me.

I live in Salt Lake. I can make anywhere to the west, ie, San Francisco, Vegas, Phoenix, etc. I can also make a number of locations to the East, such as Denver. It would be tough to go as far East as NYC, or DC, though I would love to. I used to live out there.

Just one comment about Vegas. IMHO not the best location. Some will feel very uncomfortable, with all the imagery of inappropriately dressed models all over.
Posted by: mahlzeit

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/04/07 12:28 PM

Vegas it is then! \:D
Posted by: Terrytunes

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/04/07 02:38 PM

Hunky.. I can't promise colossal jumbo like this:



I usually purchase the 41-50 shelled. Their tender,juicy & sweet! For an added bonus, I'll make a cocktail sauce with a few good dashes of horseradish, which is always a crowd pleaser!!



Sound tempting??!!!
Posted by: Piano Again

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/04/07 04:16 PM

I'd prefer the northeast or mid-Atlantic region, or else a place like Chicago (central and easy for most to get to). Time of year -- it all depends on what else is going on.
Posted by: Copper

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/04/07 08:01 PM

OK, well after 10 days here my summary. Lowell, MA is surprisingly strong.


Debussy20 DC Spring Break
playadom DC, NYC SC October 2008
YD San Fran, West Coast, NYC
Epf West Coast, Phoenix, Fall before school
Rosanna San Fran, Fall before school
Funburger ca, az, nv, fall 2008
-Frycek SF, NYC, London, Boston Spring/Fall 2009
Astra England, Europe 1st half of year
Gmm1 Vegas, AC
Theowne Toronto
Mr Super Hunky Las Vegas, So Cal late summer/early fall '08 just before Labor day
RhondaLynne Chicago
Jotur Vegas
Rocky Vegas
Rustyfingers Lowell, MA
Triryche Milwaukee
IrishMak San Fran, Vegas, Boston
Silla San Fran, Vegas
Ragnhild Spring/summer 09
Cruiser San Fran, not Daytona
Ddh Chicago early fall 08 or 09
Schubertian Lebanon Kansas
Terrytunes Lowell, MA
Vayapues San Fran, Vegas, Phoenix
Piano Again mid-Atlantic, Chicago
Posted by: Rosanna

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/04/07 09:50 PM

To further Copper's public service tally, here is another look at the numbers. I did a straight tally. E.g. SF was mentioned 7 times, CA mentioned once. I show SF as 7, CA as 1 (and not 8.)

(from W. to E., USA then Canada then Europe)

San Fran 7
So. CA 1
CA 1
Vegas 7
NV 1
Phoenix 1
AZ 1
Lebanon, KS 1
Milwaukee 1
Chicago 3
SC 1
DC 1
NYC 2
Lowell, MA 2
Boston 2
Daytona -1

Toronto 1

London 1
England 1
Europe 1


If I assume a vote for San Fran counts as a vote for CA as well, then the numbers changes as follows. (Hope this makes sense.) To avoid confusion, we should just stick with one system on another for the time being. Your choice!

San Fran 7
So. CA 1
CA 9
Vegas 7
NV 8
Phoenix 1
AZ 2
Lebanon, KS 1
Milwaukee 1
Chicago 3
SC 1
DC 1
NYC 2
Lowell, MA 2
Boston 2
Daytona -1

Toronto 1

London 1
England 2
Europe 3

So am I am bean counter or what? \:\) (I don't know how to do a TAB to align things.)
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 01:26 AM

Thanks Copper/Rosanna.

Either method, it looks like Las Vegas and san Fransico are the strong front runners.

If we actually do this, once a location is determined, we could possibly have the use of a grand piano and a perormance hall donated to our group like Terrytunes had mentioned.

It would also be nice if some way was devised to help out members with travel expenses such as people donating unused frequent flyer miles.

I'm not at all familiar with San Fransico but would certainly love to go there. Vegas has lots to do (shows etc) as well as having the grand canyon very near by as well as Sedona and Mexico.

In any event, Terrytunes has agreed to donate 41-50 count shrimp w/ home made sauce. Now I'm wondering if we should scrap the whole live recital idea and just have a giant pot luck dinner somewhere but then again I have'nt eaten yet and all I can do is think of food!.
Posted by: Euan Morrison

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 06:08 AM

I don't see myself being able to travel out to CA anytime soon, so I will be waiting for the "ABF Celebration" DVD to hit the stores instead!
Posted by: Seaside_Lee

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 07:16 AM

How about...erm...Blackpool \:\)

Its the tacky Vegas of the UK


Lee \:\)
Posted by: rocky

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 07:25 AM

After Terrytunes post, I'm thinking that Larry Buck's shop in Lowell, MA. sounds like a good idea. Then you have the place and the piano's and apparently great hosts!
Posted by: Euan Morrison

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 07:33 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Seaside_Lee:
How about...erm...Blackpool \:\)

Its the tacky Vegas of the UK


Lee \:\) [/b]
I would be happy with Blackpool - bit closer than CA!

How about a simultaneous cross-Atlantic gathering - one in Europe and one in the USA with a live video feed?
Posted by: mahlzeit

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 08:08 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Euan Morrison:
How about a simultaneous cross-Atlantic gathering - one in Europe and one in the USA with a live video feed? [/b]
We could have it in Seaside's gym and all take turns playing his Casio. \:D

I wonder how expensive a decent live video feed is, though (i.e. not just a webcam with Skype).
Posted by: Euan Morrison

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 11:21 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mahlzeit:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Euan Morrison:
How about a simultaneous cross-Atlantic gathering - one in Europe and one in the USA with a live video feed? [/b]
We could have it in Seaside's gym and all take turns playing his Casio. \:D

I wonder how expensive a decent live video feed is, though (i.e. not just a webcam with Skype). [/b]
I did a quick google search, but I'm not really computer-savvy enough to work it all out \:\(
Posted by: Donna R.

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 11:48 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:
Terrytunes has agreed to donate 41-50 count shrimp w/ home made sauce. Now I'm wondering if we should scrap the whole live recital idea and just have a giant pot luck dinner somewhere but then again I have'nt eaten yet and all I can do is think of food!. [/b]
I don't have the nerve for a recital, but I could definitely do a giant pot luck in the Boston area . (Anyone for curried chicken pasta salad?) At the moment our air fare budget has to go on trips to see elderly parents.
Posted by: Seaside_Lee

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 12:26 PM

 Quote:
How about a simultaneous cross-Atlantic gathering - one in Europe and one in the USA with a live video feed?
that'd be kool dunno about the video feed though?

 Quote:
We could have it in Seaside's gym and all take turns playing his Casio.
Yeah!! you'd just love the casio and you could train for free too (that's if we are still here )


Lee \:D
Posted by: -Frycek

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 12:46 PM

My suggestion of Boston would go just as well for Lowell.
Posted by: Rosanna

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 02:19 PM

Updated count here based on the last 4-6 posts. Looks like MA may catch up to the 2 W. Coast locations. I have also added one count for Boston/Lowell myself as I have friends I would love to visit in that area.

Edit: Based on the Terrytune (next post)'s suggestion, I have combined Boston and Lowell. So now it's really caught up with San Fran and Vegas!
(from W. to E., USA then Canada then Europe)

San Fran 7
So. CA 1
CA 1
Vegas 7
NV 1
Phoenix 1
AZ 1
Lebanon, KS 1
Milwaukee 1
Chicago 3
SC 1
DC 1
NYC 2
Boston/Lowell, MA 8
Daytona -1

Toronto 1

London 1
Blackpool 2
England 1
Europe 1


[Alternate counting - cumulative]

San Fran 7
So. CA 1
CA 9
Vegas 7
NV 8
Phoenix 1
AZ 2
Lebanon, KS 1
Milwaukee 1
Chicago 3
SC 1
DC 1
NYC 2
Boston/Lowell, MA 8
Daytona -1

Toronto 1

London 1
Blackpool 2
England 4
Europe 5
Posted by: Terrytunes

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 03:29 PM

actually, Lowell and Boston should be combined into one tally since there is approximately 25 mi distance driving.


So, Hunky... how many lbs of shrimp can you eat at one sitting!! \:D
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 04:46 PM

Actually, a late summer trip to new england would work out well come to think of it as we are planning a trip at that time to Block Island RI. (That's where I had spent my summers growing up as a kid and mid-life crisis is starting to kick in!).

If we can combine that trip with a Mass recital location, count me in!. Then again, vegas is only a few hour drive for us here in northern AZ.

Terrytunes, when it comes to shrimp, lobster, crap legs or prime rib, I leave my manners at the door and absolutely pig out!. If its an "all-you-can-eat" or better yet, FREE spread, I tend to cut off all food intake a day or two in advance to make more room in my tummy!.

When it comes to shell fish or prime rib, I get weak!! :p
Posted by: Agilita

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 04:59 PM

 Quote:
Then again, vegas is only a few hour drive for us here in northern AZ.
And Vegas has the Liberace Museum!!
Posted by: Rosanna

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 07:18 PM

Posted by: Terrytunes

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 09:44 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by rocky:
After Terrytunes post, I'm thinking that Larry Buck's shop in Lowell, MA. sounds like a good idea. Then you have the place and the piano's and apparently great hosts! [/b]
Thanks, Rocky!

I just wanted everyone on ABF to know that Larry's shop is available, should you decide on an East coast gathering destination. I would assist in any way possible prior to your arrival and once you're all here.

I do believe it would be an absolute blast to hang out with you all of you for a few days of piano related events and whatever else is decided upon!
Posted by: ddh

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 10:16 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Terrytunes:


I do believe it would be an absolute blast to hang out with you all of you for a few days of piano related events and whatever else is decided upon! [/b]
Say, Terrytunes, do you know if the HVDC converter substation of Sandy Pond is near Lowel. I speak with the dispatchers out there every day for work. I'd really like to visit and put faces on their names ?

Of course, putting faces on ABF members names would be terrific (Not to drool on the shrimps). \:D

Daniel
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 10:36 PM

Terrytunes,

you seem to be the person with just the amount of spunk to spearhead this event, (I just come up with the idea's and then run remember! ;\) )

So, with the power never bestowed upon me, I officially put you in charge of organizing this event! . You see, with you in charge, we may be even able to convince a few of the fence-sitters to attend and possibly perform.

Whadya say? \:\)
Posted by: Terrytunes

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 10:57 PM

hunky... wait one second... I'm writing a pm for ddh!! \:D be right back!!
Posted by: Terrytunes

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 11:16 PM

I'd be more than happy to assist but it will truly end up being a group effort if a large scale event is to be perfectly planned.

I guess my first question would be... are there more than 8 members who would come to MA???
Posted by: Terrytunes

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/05/07 11:19 PM

oh, and my 2nd question.... what is Copper's choice for a location???!!! I just saw an "example" posted... maybe I missed his vote!
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/06/07 12:11 AM

Copper is very *elusive*, he likes it that way!
Posted by: Copper

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/06/07 12:32 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:
Copper is very *elusive*, he likes it that way! [/b]
Elusive.

Well we did seem to get the ball rolling towards MA.

Did you know that I worked at Fenway Park for 8 years?
Posted by: whippen boy

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/06/07 01:24 PM

If it ends up being in SF, I would be happy to be a tourguide (if not in person, I could at least be a 'virtual' tourguide, via this Forum).

I can offer suggestions for airport transportation, local transportation, sightseeing (including excursions further afield - such as the wine country), shopping suggestions, location of piano stores \:D etc.

I think it would be fun to see some of the folks in this Forum. \:\)

FYI: winter weather in SF tends to be a lot warmer than the rest of the country and summer weather tends to be a lot cooler than the rest of the country. (maybe too[/b] cool but that is another story)

Of course Boston is a great place too...
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/06/07 01:51 PM

Terrytunes:

If we do muster enough interest to have an actual *real* live concert recital, sooner or later an actual location will have to be chosen.

We are still in the exploratory stage now however more and more interest seems to be building up.

I had also noticed that a few active members from the other PW forums have been chiming in and I think that is terrific. Now I'm starting to wonder if maybe we should have an "all-inclusive" PW live recital?.

While that would be really cool, it does bring up the performance intimidation factor but I'm sure there may be ways to have everyone perform who wants to while possibly keeping certain groupings of abilities together.

It now seems that the top 3 locations are Mass, Vegas, or san Fransico.

For those who are traveling, the airfare and hotel really should not be that much of a difference in any of the locations. I can only assume that Vegas would be the least expensive since there are deals all the time there but like I said, if someone lives say in the midwest, the airfare and hotel will be about the same either way.

So, a few questions for everyone:

1.).Should we open the live concert recital to everyone (Any/all Pianoworld members) or limit it to an adult beginer live recital?

2.) To be fair to the bulk majority of our members living in the U.S, what can we do to include our other members across the globe?. Possibly donate unused frequesnt flyer miles?, offer to host a member a place to stay when they get here?.

3.) If we do this and it turns out succsessful (like the online recitals), could we possibly have an annual live recital that changes locations every year?. Maybe this year it will be in San Fran, next year, Mass, the following year, Vegas, and who knows, possibly even europe in the future.

This concept has a HUGE amount of potential but only if we all do something to organize it. Why not have some fun with this idea and actually DO IT??. You only live once!
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/06/07 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by Copper:


Did you know that I worked at Fenway Park for 8 years? [/b]
Pitcher?, 3rd baseman? popcorn sales?
:p
Posted by: Rosanna

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/06/07 04:24 PM

Regarding whether the live recital should be open to all members, I don't see why not. If there are enough performers, it's possible to do 2 sessions - afternoon recital for the beginners/retreaders, followed by happy hour and dinner, (now we're talking), and then the evening session for the "serious" amateur pianists - the happy hour might bring down their level of performance! haha! It would be up to each performer to decide which group he/she wants to sign up for, I guess.
Posted by: whippen boy

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/06/07 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by Rosanna:
It would be up to each performer to decide which group he/she wants to sign up for, I guess.
Sign me up for happy hour! \:D
Posted by: ddh

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/06/07 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by Rosanna:
... the happy hour might bring down their level of performance! haha! It would be up to each performer to decide which group he/she wants to sign up for, I guess. [/b]
Or I could register in the "Advanced" group and REALLY bring down their average level \:D

Daniel
Posted by: little-big-man

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/06/07 05:16 PM

I could just register and bring down the average of the whole thing.

That's Low.
Posted by: little-big-man

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/06/07 05:18 PM

Anyway, Looks like if it happens, it will be in the Good Ole US of A.

Shall not be going there.
Posted by: -Frycek

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/06/07 05:19 PM

Or the order of the recital could be arranged according to the grade level of the pieces. If a piece doesn't have an official grade designation then an experienced teacher (looking at you Betty) could look it over and make an educated guess. That would at least keep Twinkle, Twinkle, and 25/11 separate. That would also let the less experienced performers go first with less time for nerves to built up.
Posted by: crusadar

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/06/07 06:15 PM

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Anyway, Looks like if it happens, it will be in the Good Ole US of A.[/b]
Actually a compromise is called for, the half way point between us Europeans and the Americans is Ulan Bator in Mongolia, I wouldn't go there though, I don't like horses milk in my tea.
Posted by: Copper

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/06/07 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Copper:


Did you know that I worked at Fenway Park for 8 years? [/b]
Pitcher?, 3rd baseman? popcorn sales?
:p [/b]
Hot Franks Here! Ice Cold Beer!

I went up and down those aisles a million times, but I always stopped when Yaz was up.
Posted by: Rosanna

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/06/07 07:57 PM

Frycek's grade-level order sounds good. Or it can be by experience-level (self determined.)

The recital can be after happy hour, so *everyone*'s playing level will go down accordingly!
Posted by: jotur

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/06/07 08:24 PM

If I could make it I'd probably go to either coast, but would still prefer Vegas.

As for splitting the recital into levels - I like the ABF as a "self-defined" group - it's part of what makes it so special, IMHO, so I'd rather we didn't split the folks any way. I'd just as soon we did something like draw straws for an order of playing \:\) , so we have kind of a random order, like we do for the quarterly recitals/piano bar/holiday recital. Besides, who's to say if we want to try a "harder" - whatever that means - piece and mess it up, or an "easier" - whatever that means - piece and nail it? And how would we define what that means for the play-by-ear folks?

I still really like the simultaneous Euro-US idea, and I still don't have any idea how that would work.

Cathy
Posted by: Rosanna

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/06/07 11:17 PM

jotur, you made a good point about playing group and order. OK, so Frycek's grade-level order idea doesn't sound as good anymore. \:D
Posted by: vayapues

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/07/07 12:57 AM

In addition to a recital, what would really hook me and make it worth my while would be to have some break out sessions with the more advanced members, and possibly a guest speaker or two. I would be willing to pay a small cover charge for the experience, if I knew I was going to come away having had time to listen to those who really know their stuff. The cover charge could then be used to help cover expenses with the venue, etc. Does not have to be much, just enough to allow us to really do the event right.

I would also say that IMHO, I think it is in all of our best interest to get as many pianists, at as high a skill level as possible to attend. Intimidation factor aside, what a great opportunity to sit down with a room full of people who are better than us, and ask for as much advice as we can in a couple of days.

It could also be fun to do a little competition, for those who are brave enough.

As far as organization goes, i will throw down that I am willing to help from a website point of view. I own a small company with on staff web programmers. www.KidsKnowIt.com
Posted by: jotur

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/07/07 02:24 AM

I was thinking of a peer group \:D of ABFers. For me, if I wanted to sit down with a roomful of people better than me I'd probably choose a piano camp or something \:\) But your idea is certainly worth running up the flagpole -

Some late night thoughts on venue -

I've been to a lot of dance camps, and perhaps they could serve as another kind of model. One of the best venues was Colorado College in Colorado Springs - the accomodations were dorm rooms, but that made it inexpensive, and we were all in one place. We've also been at NM Tech in Socorro, or Fort Lewis in Durango.

Another place was a historic hotel in, I believe, Sedona, AZ. I was also at a ragtime festival in Boulder, CO, at which the main venue was a church, and there were "afterglows" at a couple of the hotels.

So, how about a small college or comandeering a historic hotel somewhere, like Sedona or similar in *your* state, with a church as the "recital" venue if needed? They often have small auditoriums with grand pianos, or we could rent one or two (I've done that for concerts, too).

I was also thinking about what kind of venues are here in SF (not that I think Santa Fe is a good choice - it can be pricey), but there's a couple of small theaters that I've been in dance performances in - one at the College of SF and one at the NM School for the Deaf in particular. They're not expensive to rent, but they both require audience insurance. I wouldn't be surprised if some churches did, too. But - what might be in Las Vegas outside the strip that we might take advantage of? If there was something there we could still take advantage of the multiple and cheap flights into there. Guess I'll ask my brother next week when we're all home for the holidays -

Any way, when Mr. S-H mentioned the actual venue it set me thinking. . .

Cathy
Posted by: Ragnhild

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/07/07 03:18 AM

Just me dreaming a little.....
Going to San Fransisco would be like a dream come true for me, so that would be perfect. But it's a long (and expensive) way and it will need some saving and planning.

(I'm sure you would be a perfect guide, Whippen boy, but you did not mention organ concert ? )

Most of all I want to meet you all, see your faces and chat a bit (just to reveal my awful Norwegian accent, I mean)
A live concert would make me totally shaky and I would have to choose a grade 1 piece since I don't know the difference between C and F when I'm nervous..... ;\)

Ragnhild
Posted by: John Citron

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/07/07 10:00 AM

I'm with Terry on Lowell,being partial and only 30 minutes away. Larry has a friend with a portable recording studio so there's a possibility of getting a live recording of the recitals. \:D Imagine a personal CD titled "Live from Pianoworld 2008 Ultimate ABF Meeting"

Whippen Boy, you don't want to visit Methuen Music Hall and try the organ there? That would make a nice addition to our grand meeting up here in good ol' New England!

The Frederick Collection is worth the visit. I've been there like 3 times now, and can't get enough of the experiences. They've added a couple of new pianos too. An 1888 Mason & Hamlin, and an 1868 Chickering.All of the pianos are playable so after the tour, you get to sample them yourself. Imagine a Chopin Nocturne on the 1841 Pleyel, or Schubert on the 1828 Conrad Graff. (heaven). :3hearts:

John
Posted by: whippen boy

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/07/07 12:09 PM

Methuen's Serlo Hall and organ are FANTASTIC!

I've played there. \:D

No matter which location, I'm pretty sure pianists would not want to hear organ music...

If I can attend this event, it would be as a pianist - maybe even an *incognito* pianist.

If it is in SF I don't think finding a venue will be too difficult...

I hoped it wouldn't be a competition between Boston & SF - I'm feeling a bit odd making suggestions...
Posted by: LisztAddict

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/07/07 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by whippen boy:
If I can attend this event, ...... [/b]
We will DEMAND you to play 10 Liszt Transcendental Etudes. \:D
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/07/07 01:47 PM

So many great suggestions for locations but how do we choose one?.

We DO have time to thoroughly organize and explore our options for this event so there is no need to rush.

I REALLY like John Citrons idea of having the event proffessionally recorded as a keepsake for all of us. After reading all of the suggestions so far, it seems that certain criteria should be met. Those being:

.The event to be held in an acoustically compatible location..(some type of music hall designed for the reproduction/transmission of sound)...i.e NOT pizza-hut banquet room!.

.The event to be held in a location that satifies the majority of attending members. (other means of compensating out of country members have been mentioned such as donating unused frequent flyer miles or possibly hosting a foreign member).

.The timing of this event would obviously have to be far enough away to not cause any scheduling conflicts. Late summer 08 has been mentioned several times.

As far as who should participate be it beginers only or everyone, the floor is open to express your viewpoints on that issue.

Personally, I would like have my cake and eat it to on this one!. Ideally, I would LOVE to have the chance to watch some very accomplished forum members perform as well as fellow adult beginers.

I strongly feel some form of a distinction should be made between them as to not cause any feelings of intimidation. Possibly beginers in the morning and advanced performers in the afternoon?. I'm sure this could be worked out as the advanced players would only want to encourage the rest of us as opposed to intimidate us.

As beginers, we DO have a lot to learn from the more advanced performers and I would certainly welcome the opportunity to hear them perform. That said, I still would feel more comfortable performing in a grouped time frame with members of my own similar abilities!.

More suggestions wanted!
Posted by: ddh

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/07/07 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:
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Personally, I would like have my cake and eat it to on this one!. Ideally, I would LOVE to have the chance to watch some very accomplished forum members perform as well as fellow adult beginers. [/b]
I agree with most of what you say but especially this; we all could benefit a lot from exposure to advanced members.

I would add a wish: that the encounter last long enough to get to meet everybody. Whichever location is chosen, I know I will travel far; I certainly would like the opportunity to spend some time out of recital with all of you. I know some will have time issues but what if it was held over two days, say a weekend ?

The other day could be spent on a visit of some piano related exposition or other place of interest.

What say you ?
Posted by: -Frycek

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/07/07 07:09 PM

I think everyone is assuming at least a weekend, probably a long one to allow for travel time. I would prefer a format where we can spend some casual piano time together in additional to a formal recital. We really need to chose a locale where we have an actual host(ess) with a house and a piano regardless of what arrangements we have for the formal recital (about which I have very mixed feelings.)
Posted by: Larry Buck

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/13/07 06:39 PM

There has been some conversation about having a recital at my shop.

May I extend an invitation to have it there.

A friend of mine, Mike, who owns a recording studio is willing to bring a portable recoding set up if folks would like.
his web site is here .. www.port-media.com

I believe I can come up with a fun piano to play and have it well prepared.

There is a Mason and Hamlin tour coming up in May, perhaps it could be combined with a recital?
Seeing that the M+H tour is being put together now, some input there might be helpful ...

Maybe also combined with a trip to the Fredricks Collection?

Any thoughts?
Posted by: -Frycek

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/13/07 07:19 PM

My ideal trip would combine a trip to the Fredericks collection - unfortunately May would be too early for me (and probably many others) for various reasons pianistic and personal. How often do the give the M&H tours? I think the consensus is that the earliest we should try to pull this off is Fall 08.
Posted by: Larry Buck

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/13/07 08:34 PM

I believe the Mason & Hamlin tour is once a year in May.

I would make my space available most anytime for the event.

Fredericks, although I can't speak for them, would likely be available as well.
Posted by: Mr Super-Hunky

Re: Ultimate Event Location Survey - 12/15/07 12:10 AM

Larry:

Thank you very much for the offer. We are still in the begining stages of testing some of the possibilites and Lowell may be one of them.

It may be a while before any descision is made to do this or not but the more input the better.

Its good to know we have a location and piano available in Lowell should that be chosen.

Thanks again for your offer