Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3

Posted by: Mark...

Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/13/07 03:25 PM

This is the third thread in the Alfred Adult Book series. If you have made it to book #3, congrats! Thats a major accomplishment.

Here are the first two:

Alfred Adult Book One
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/32/3619.html

Alfred Adult Book Two
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/32/4340.html

The Alfred Adult Users Supplement Pieces Thread http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/32/5042.html

Alfred Graduate List

Calypso Rhumba
A You Tube video of this Alfred Book 3 piece.

You Tube Alfred Pieces

Fandango
A You Tube video of this Alfred Book 3 piece.
Fandango
Fandango performed by JohnFrank

Modern Sounds

Serenade from String Quartet Op. 3 No. 5 Performed by Undone

Classy Rag a You-Tube video

Prelude in D minor
Prelude in D minor You Tube video performed Mark...

Swan Lake Performed by Undone

Scheherazade Performed by Undone

Unfinished Symphony Performed by Undone

Steal Away Performed by Undone

Come Back to Sorrento Performed by Undone

American Hymn Performed by JohnFrank

Shenandoah

The Ambitious Section of Alfred 3

Prelude in A Major

Prelude in A Major You Tube video performed Mark...

Moonlight Sonata Performed by Undone
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/13/07 10:56 PM

Uh, Mark- I haven't actually FINISHED book 2 yet..... LOL
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/13/07 11:31 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
Uh, Mark- I haven't actually FINISHED book 2 yet..... LOL [/b]
We are waiting patiently... \:D
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/15/07 04:57 PM

Hey, Mark- I ordered Book 3! \:D
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/15/07 05:05 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
Hey, Mark- I ordered Book 3! \:D [/b]
Excellent...I have it too, but it's going to be awhile till I get to it...

I wonder if there are any other book 3 people here?
Posted by: funburger

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/15/07 07:20 PM

Mark, i am in book 3:) i love the pieces in here. they are so much more fun than 1 and 2, and they sound like music. i really like the ambitious secton which includes some truly incredible music. i love this book!!!
Posted by: Tony.S

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/15/07 07:45 PM

I've been doing the series and am in book 3. I recently started working from each end, and I agree with funburger the ambitious section is especially good ... in fact because the harder section is so interesting, I'm thinking about dropping the book in favour doing only this kind of music.
Posted by: Lizzy1234

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/15/07 08:33 PM

I'm in book 3 as well. The first thing I noticed was that the theory pages are much more complex - I guess they figure if you're still with them this far along, you must be in it for the long haul and they throw it all at you...

I have to admit that the fact I had to special-order the book and that no store routinely stocked it was a bit flattering to the ego - they all had book one, some had book two, but none had enough call to stock book three.

I like the ambitious section as well - there's a wide range of levels in the pieces. Some seem to come easy, others...

Also, the book set-up feels different to me than the first two, less rigid maybe. Because you're on your own after this one and I get the feeling I'm being 'weaned'. My teacher has already asked what kind and style of music books (plural, she said books!) can she pick up for me next time she's at the music store - which is very encouraging. I must have made at least some progress! I don't just finish another book with the reward being to go buy the next level up, yay! Liz
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/16/07 01:55 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by funburger:
Mark, i am in book 3:) i love the pieces in here. they are so much more fun than 1 and 2, and they sound like music. i really like the ambitious secton which includes some truly incredible music. i love this book!!! [/b]
Thats great to hear. And its nice to know people are moving into book 3. Everyone who's in book 3 should be proud of their accomplishment. I know its a lot of work...

Keep us posted on your progress. And if anyone want to post their recording its a great resource for others...

Thanks

Mark
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/16/07 01:58 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Lizzy1234:
I'm in book 3 as well. The first thing I noticed was that the theory pages are much more complex - I guess they figure if you're still with them this far along, you must be in it for the long haul and they throw it all at you...

I have to admit that the fact I had to special-order the book and that no store routinely stocked it was a bit flattering to the ego - they all had book one, some had book two, but none had enough call to stock book three.

I like the ambitious section as well - there's a wide range of levels in the pieces. Some seem to come easy, others...

Also, the book set-up feels different to me than the first two, less rigid maybe. Because you're on your own after this one and I get the feeling I'm being 'weaned'. My teacher has already asked what kind and style of music books (plural, she said books!) can she pick up for me next time she's at the music store - which is very encouraging. I must have made at least some progress! I don't just finish another book with the reward being to go buy the next level up, yay! Liz [/b]
You should feel proud. I know I feel pretty good finishing book one. And finishing each book means your that much better...
Posted by: EG2

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/17/07 02:45 PM

HI everyone...I'm somewhat new to the forum and have basically been lurking for a while.

I'm about halfway through Alfred 2 and would like to go ahead and order Alfred 3 so I have it when I'm ready. I'm having trouble locating the book to purchase via the web. Can someone provide me with a web source?

In addition to Alfred 2 I still play Entertainer and Amazing Grace from Alfred 1 and am also working on Satisfied Mind, Mona Lisa, Fur Elise, etc. etc.

Thanks.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/17/07 04:01 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by EG2:
HI everyone...I'm somewhat new to the forum and have basically been lurking for a while.

I'm about halfway through Alfred 2 and would like to go ahead and order Alfred 3 so I have it when I'm ready. I'm having trouble locating the book to purchase via the web. Can someone provide me with a web source?

In addition to Alfred 2 I still play Entertainer and Amazing Grace from Alfred 1 and am also working on Satisfied Mind, Mona Lisa, Fur Elise, etc. etc.

Thanks. [/b]
http://www.amazon.com/Alfreds-Basic-Adul...82110431&sr=8-7

This is where I bought mind...

Entertainer and Amazing Grace are keepers, that I plan on playing often...

Mark
Posted by: EG2

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/17/07 05:59 PM

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the info. Guess I should have been clearer on the Alfred series I was looking for...apparently there are two different series.

I'm very new to piano (couple years in middle school....many years ago) and now on month 7 with a teacher.

I've been working my way through Alfred Adult All-in-One Course (has theory incorporated).
I did find what I was looking for...
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/pages.html...k=&r=wwws-e rr5

Wonder if these are the same???
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/17/07 07:29 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by EG2:
Hi Mark,

Thanks for the info. Guess I should have been clearer on the Alfred series I was looking for...apparently there are two different series.

I've been working my way through Alfred Adult All-in-One Course (has theory incorporated).
I did find what I was looking for...

Wonder if these are the same??? [/b]
I believe they are different, but close. Some songs are the same.
Posted by: EG2

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/17/07 08:05 PM

 Quote:
I believe they are different, but close. Some songs are the same.
Hmmm, interesting...may have to pick up the other Alfred 3 a little later.
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/27/07 01:57 PM

Well, it looks like I may be heading into Book 3 on my own for a bit. The place where my teacher rents her studio space is closing at the end of July. She asked at the school where she teaches, and they said sure, she could use the school, but only for those who live in that town. So that would take care of 2 of her 20 students and I am not one of them. She is still looking for a place, of course, and we do have a few weeks left, but I may be going it solo for a bit. Glad I did decided to go ahead and order Book 3- I need some sort of organized approach or I won't get anywhere. If this does happen, I may be asking those of you already in Book 3 for LOTS of help!
Posted by: funburger

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/27/07 03:50 PM

IrishMak, i am in book 3 and will offer help to you any way i can:) i dont know how much help i can offer though...
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/27/07 04:24 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
Well, it looks like I may be heading into Book 3 on my own for a bit. The place where my teacher rents her studio space is closing at the end of July. She asked at the school where she teaches, and they said sure, she could use the school, but only for those who live in that town. So that would take care of 2 of her 20 students and I am not one of them. She is still looking for a place, of course, and we do have a few weeks left, but I may be going it solo for a bit. Glad I did decided to go ahead and order Book 3- I need some sort of organized approach or I won't get anywhere. If this does happen, I may be asking those of you already in Book 3 for LOTS of help! [/b]
We have a few teachers from the teachers forum who are here to help and they keep an eye on these Alfred threads. So we have you covered just in case...

Hope things work out regarding your teacher...

Mark
Posted by: dfpolitowski

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/28/07 02:11 AM

I am 44 years old and have Just started playing music five years ago.

I am currently finishing this book. Its an ok book,It lends itself to those who, like me, are partially self taught. I feel this book progresses well, slow, with small steps in difficulty, Has plenty of songs, to reach this the final level of course difficulty. The pieces are enjoyable, and short enough. However, I personal attribute most of my skill to playing though Hanon in 60 ex. It was grueling. I guess the importance point I should make is that if you are like me, You will need a good technical regiment, and if you desire to play other styles of music ie, blues, hymns, lead sheet pop, jazz, whatever, you will need to train in that genre in addition to the Alfred Adult Course. The Alfred adult course mainly teaches you traditional piano playing via site reading.
Posted by: KetchupandJam

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/14/07 10:20 AM

Hello fellow Book 3 members.

I'm currently on page 26 "The Unfinished Symphony". I have been at it for weeks and still need to add the tremolos, pedal and get some bumps out of it.

Unfortunately, I do not get into this forum often enough but wanted to chime in on this thread in case anyone else is on page 26.

K&J
Posted by: dfpolitowski

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/14/07 12:43 PM

Its taken me only a few days to get Chopin prelude down well. I've allowed myself one weeks practice on this small piece. This comeing monday I will begin the last piece in the book. I started playing it briefly and find it fairly easy. Patterns motifs are not that difficult. I guess,this piece may take me five days to get through. At the start of my learning piano for the life of me I could not play the pieces in this book 3. I guess I can conclude this series had payed off. I would recommend this series.

I write these things in order that you may witness to the progress this series has developed in me. Which should reflex the quality of this publication set. Though to be fair the "Alfred Adult series" was not the only publication from which I studied from. I used Hanon together with little known "Henry Slaughter Gospel piano"

I have made it through. It has been about four years or more in the making. And I refused to quit or change books.

I would like to see a fouth level to this series. But I know its not going to happen.

For my next step in learning to play the piano I have chosen to proceed through "Classic to Moderns: early advanced" The green book. I hope to finish this book also. The pieces within are short not longer than four pages, something I prefer. There are just over fifty pieces within. I hope this book takes me up to a higher level in my playing. With all my ability to site read well and learn these piece in a rather short time; I still can't sit down an play the piano like a real musican.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/14/07 01:07 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by dfpolitowski:

For my next step in learning to play the piano I have chosen to proceed through "Classic to Moderns: early advanced" The green book. I hope to finish this book also. The pieces within are short not longer than four pages, something I prefer. There are just over fifty pieces within. I hope this book takes me up to a higher level in my playing. With all my ability to site read well and learn these piece in a rather short time; I still can't sit down an play the piano like a real musican. [/b]
Thanks for the info David. I was wondering where people would go once they completed book 3.

As for playing like a real musician, I think you are under estimating your abilities. To be able to sight read and play book 3 makes you a real musician in my book. Sticking with and completing this series is a major accomplishment and I congratulate you.

Mark
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/14/07 01:18 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by KetchupandJam:
Hello fellow Book 3 members.

I'm currently on page 26 "The Unfinished Symphony". I have been at it for weeks and still need to add the tremolos, pedal and get some bumps out of it.

Unfortunately, I do not get into this forum often enough but wanted to chime in on this thread in case anyone else is on page 26.

K&J [/b]
Sounds like you are doing well. I'm jealous of you book 3 people...:lol: How long have you been working with the series? Any advice?

Thanks

Mark
Posted by: PianoTeacherKim

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/14/07 08:58 PM

Hi David!

You said,

 Quote:
With all my ability to site read well and learn these piece in a rather short time; I still can't sit down an play the piano like a real musican.
Could you expand on that a bit? What is it about your playing that isn't where you would like? What constitutes "real musician" for you?

I ask because I find a lot of my adult students have a belief down somewhere that they have to reach a certain level of proficiency before they can "trust themselves" to add personal interpretation to the music, or change/modify things they'd prefer differently, such as tempo, dynamic changes, or the like.

For me, the real freedom of playing isn't level-based; I regularly practice the very first songs I teach my students, very simple melodies -- to play them as soulfully and beautifully and inspiringly as I can. You can do the same! You could go back to your Alfred Level One book and find your favorite pieces. They're easy now! So decide if you like them slower or faster. Maybe you want to put an arpeggio in the left hand where there's just a block chord. Maybe you like different articulation or dynamics. Maybe you want to repeat a certain section, or repeat the whole thing in a different octave.

That freedom, for me, is what feels like being a musician. I actually enjoy playing less complex pieces because of the amount of interpretation I can put into them in real time, and sometimes I play them differently from day to day.

Anyway, I'd love to hear your thoughts. You're already a real musician, by the way, just like Mark said. You were from the moment you put your hands on the keyboard! ;\)

Best,

Kim
Posted by: dfpolitowski

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/14/07 10:18 PM

Posted by: dfpolitowski

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/14/07 10:40 PM

Posted by: dfpolitowski

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/14/07 10:42 PM

Kim,

Well, I suppose, I mean Playing Music without sheet music. If someone were to ask me to sit down and play something at the piano I could not. I would need to go home, pick a piece to play, practice it for a week, then come back to them and play in front of them.

Or would be satisfied to be like one of my many college professors who can take a piece (I lie not) and play it perfect first time seeing it. Or even like my voice teacher who in choosing a song to sing accompanies well enough to sing along with. And this upon turning to the song in choosing. She may not be without flaw but 95percent of the song is there the first time.

I'm anticipating entering into this level someday.
Oh, I know those mentioned above have been playing since there child hood while I recently began at
in my mid adult years.

Thanks
Posted by: PianoTeacherKim

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/25/07 03:35 PM

Hi David!

Thanks for taking the time to post that. I think it's a really helpful discussion as folks get to this intermediate level of playing.

First: learning to play without sheet music is one of two things: memorized music or improvisation (which is nearly always based on chords). Both of which you already have the skills to begin doing; it's just that the Alfred's books aren't really going to teach you to do them!

You could begin by choosing 2 songs you really like, and learning them chunk by chunk. Don't just try to memorize notes, look at the patterns and shapes your hands are making, and notice the feeling of the keys and chords beneath your hands. Notice patterns in the songs (certain bars repeating at beginning and end, the same pattern in the left hand but on different chord notes, etc.)

Improvisation is just like talking. You have this vocabulary that you draw on to express yourself. You could start with the three major chords in C major: C, G, and F. You know those already, you know what notes are in them and how to play them in both hands. Sit at the piano, with those three chords, and start playing -- anything, even triads in both hands. Start exploring sounds.

I find many adults don't give themselves permission to do this kind of exploration at the piano, believing you have to have all the theory knowledge in place before you're qualified to improvise. But trying things out, and exploring, is how we learn to do everything else! Think of a child learning to speak.

Having a goal to play anything at sight is a really lofty goal. Not being satisfied with your playing until you reach it, however, is pretty self-defeating! At least inside my head!

It's the "if-then" thinking that bothers me, I think. If I reach this point, then I'll be satisfied. But there's no guarantee you'll get there! What if being an amazing sight reader isn't your strength at the piano? What if (God forbid) you get hit by a bus next week?

That's not to say that having goals is a bad thing. But not fully enjoying your current achievements? You're missing out on so much enjoyment! I talk to adults every day who wish they could play... well, anything[/b]. Mary Had a Little Lamb. Chopsticks. They'd love to understand written music and be in Alfred's Level 3. It seems worlds away, and unreachable to them.

The fact is, if you're playing music, you're a musician.

Those are my feelings on it, at any rate. This strikes a chord with me because I spent most of my college years with many of the feelings you describe, comparing myself to other players in all kinds of ways, and as a result a kept myself from not only enjoying what I could do - but also preventing myself from learning and experiencing everything I could have!

I don't want to see you or any other adult miss out on anything, either learning or enjoyment, by thinking only about the future. Beginners are musicians too!

Best,

Kim
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/25/07 04:28 PM

Well, we cracked open Book #3 last week. I will start by saying this time, I bought the All-in-One book, just so anyone who does not have this is not scratching their heads and saying: "Where did she find THAT in this book?" LOL

I have to say, their "Super Special Song" is a bit less than super-special, at least for me. But I'm getting thru it. I pretty much have the pedal study, Calypso Rhumba, figured out. The Fandango is tripping me up- can't quite get it fast enough. More like a medium andante than allegro. And that's one of my biggest problems- I can't play stuff fast. I get to a certain speed and can't seem to increase, no matter what I do!

And- homework!!! Yikes, I haven't had homework since- well, a loooooong time ago! But since this book has the theory pages in it, too, my teacher says- Do 'em! And she's gonna check! Hope I get a gold star!!! LOL

That's my progress report so far...
Posted by: dfpolitowski

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/26/07 05:05 AM

Thanks Kim

Good Job IrishMak
Stay with it. The entire series progresses slowly.
I made sure; I didn't rush through this book. Took over a year, I believe.
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/26/07 10:07 AM

Thanks, David! I am planning on taking it slowly, in order to get it right and learn the stuff. It took me over a year to get thru Book 2, so I am not thinking this will be a rush thru!
Posted by: funburger

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/26/07 04:39 PM

Irishmak, glad you are delving into book 3. there is alot of great music in it!! i kinda liked the super special song, although not overly thrilled but it wasnt a drag to get through. calypso is also kinda fun, and the fandango i absolutly love!! once you get it up it will all fall into place, just practice it slowly--of course we have all heard that a million times:) the only piece for me to have dragged was the serenade from string quartet, to me it made no sense, and still doesnt. i do like listening to it on strings but not for piano. congrats on entering book 3:)
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/26/07 07:33 PM

ooooooo when i get to book 3 I'll do the serenade on the digital. You have a digital funburger do you have voices to do it in strings?
Posted by: funburger

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/27/07 01:02 PM

loly, i had a digital, i sold it:) i have too many instruments in this little apt. as it is, the upright, grand and an organ:) i think the organ is going soon too though as i dont really like it, but will try the serenade on it first with strings and see if i like it:)

edited: oh, i just read you bought the kawai k-8, congrats!!! betcha your not getting much sleep now:) cant wait to see(pictures) and hear it(must have recordings)!! \:D
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/28/07 06:42 AM

funburger, I wanted to ask you how you got that many instruments in your apt but I refrained. he he he

if you want to look into a nice digital keyboard, look at the ypg 625, it's the one I have. the voices are outstanding and it has about 5 organ voices that sound so much like the real thing. you get a lot for a small package.

ooooo you evil thing, how did you know I wasn't getting any sleep? I was able to sleep last night though. \:D
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/02/07 08:49 PM

Page 18 in this book and I've hit a wall! This Jazz Sequences thing has got me stuck. I just cannot get it right! We slowed it waaaaaaay down at last week's lesson and my teacher said she doesn't want me trying to speed it up at all, but I STILL can't quite get it right. What it is showing quite clearly is how bad my hand independence still is. And this is not even a hard piece! It's dotted quarter-eighths in the right hand against straight quarters in the left. Should be easy, but it's got me quite frustrated. I think I may have to work for a while longer on this one with hands separate before I truly get it.
Posted by: dfpolitowski

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/02/07 10:25 PM

Are you practicing exercises or only trying to learn from this method series? Playing from the series alone "may" leave your hands weak. I did Hanon 60 exercises along with this series. Though Alfred's trained me how to play, I attribute strength and reaching power to Hanon, hands down. Strength that I believe would not have come from any other means.

I hope your taking your time throughout this searies.
I heard someone recommend moving through this series quickly, Like under two years. I suggest the entire series to be learned in between three to four years. And closer to four would be better.
Posted by: Lizzy1234

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/02/07 11:48 PM

For the record, I'm in my fifth year of lessons - and only halfway thru the Alfred's 3 book. I, too, do Hanon along with the Alfred's, plus some theory books and I keep a solo recital or two book going at the same time. But I'm reallllly slow! Liz :rolleyes:
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/03/07 12:17 AM

Oh, I do scales, chords, arpeggios and Hanon, as well as some outside the Alfred's series pieces, along with it. I'm not rushing- my teacher won't let me!! LOL Took me a bit over a year to get thru the 2nd book, and I figure it will be a good year or so in this one, too. Just one of those walls you hit now and then, I suppose.
Posted by: Lizzy1234

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/03/07 01:09 AM

You'll get there, then, sounds like you're doing a good mix of things.

I'm at a wall myself right now and it's terribly frustrating to keep going to lessons week after week and seemingly not making any progress, at least anything marked that really shows. I have lots of sympathy for you, but not much advice, I'm afraid, other than to keep plugging away...Liz
Posted by: dfpolitowski

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/03/07 01:51 AM

Look, I don't know what else to say. All I know is that I'm somehow beyond that wall. Can't tell you when I passed through it though. I practiced and still do 2 plus hours a day. So, for me hard practices is necessary. What I've noticed that many people talk about it being acceptable in putting in small amounts of time at the keyboard. Such as a half hour a day or a few days a week. I believe is will generally not bring the solid results need to play well. One hour a day to two hours a day is generally need to make any substantial progress. And this at any age. How much more older people like us. At 39 I new I would have to work like a dog to get anywhere.

I believe some teachers are afraid to ask a lot from their students. Is this cause they are afraid their students will lose heart and quit?

Lizzy1234, just a friendly tip,. . .make sure your not stuck doing the first section of Hanon. After six months of these exercise one has exhausted there usefulness. It then that one must go on to diatonic and the second two sections of Hanon exercise.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/23/07 04:33 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
Page 18 in this book and I've hit a wall! This Jazz Sequences thing has got me stuck. I just cannot get it right! We slowed it waaaaaaay down at last week's lesson and my teacher said she doesn't want me trying to speed it up at all, but I STILL can't quite get it right. What it is showing quite clearly is how bad my hand independence still is. And this is not even a hard piece! It's dotted quarter-eighths in the right hand against straight quarters in the left. Should be easy, but it's got me quite frustrated. I think I may have to work for a while longer on this one with hands separate before I truly get it. [/b]
Hi, did you every get through that wall?

Mark
Posted by: dfpolitowski

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/24/07 10:14 AM

Guys, I just dug up my old book. And have the piece in front of me. Just looking at it now. I learned, that when a training piece is difficult sometime the piece will use staccato in one hand. This poking, makes one playing of the piece a little easier. I believe it requires less out of the players mussels and nerves.

As to the next two pieces in the book, this is where were real playing begins.

Your going to have a lot of fun with these two pieces. The key to learning these next two are to play hand separate first. Mark, if you want my advice play through the entire piece one hand first. Then the other hand by itself, afterward combine them. Its a short piece.

The following two pieces after them are very beautiful. "A very Special Day" is a great piece to sing along with, if your inclined. It slow too, which lend itself well to adding a third voice, your voice! "Grand Piano Band" is fun, but its faster, and demands much more LH RH coordination. I think i was on this piece for three weeks and never did play it fully correct before I moved to "A very Special Day"
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/24/07 02:50 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
Hi, did you every get through that wall?

Mark [/b]
Mark-

Yes, I did, moslty. I'm still going back to now and again to reinforce the technique, but we've moved on in the book. This one is going slower than the last one, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

The unfortunate part is that I am going to be travelling a good bit of the first part of October and then I have to have a bit of surgery done, so after these 2 weeks, I don't know when I will get back to regular lessons. My teacher and I are going to set a plan in these upcoming 2 lessons so that I will have some things to work on in a more structured manner.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/24/07 03:14 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
Hi, did you every get through that wall?

Mark [/b]
Mark-

Yes, I did, moslty. I'm still going back to now and again to reinforce the technique, but we've moved on in the book. This one is going slower than the last one, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

The unfortunate part is that I am going to be travelling a good bit of the first part of October and then I have to have a bit of surgery done, so after these 2 weeks, I don't know when I will get back to regular lessons. My teacher and I are going to set a plan in these upcoming 2 lessons so that I will have some things to work on in a more structured manner. [/b]
The reason I asked is that since you are ahead of me in Alfred, I like to see how people work through the program. Its nice to know that you can eventually get through the tough spots. I have a while to go before I'm in book 3.

Hope everything goes well regarding your surgery and piano layoff...

Mark...
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/24/07 08:45 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
The reason I asked is that since you are ahead of me in Alfred, I like to see how people work through the program. Its nice to know that you can eventually get through the tough spots. I have a while to go before I'm in book 3.

Hope everything goes well regarding your surgery and piano layoff...

[/b]
Well, I think with the right attitude and some perseverence and, of course, work, it can all be gotten thru. I suspect I was just frustrated becasue on the surface, that particular piece looked easy. But nothing is really easy if you don't get it, right? And easy is subjective, espeically in this area. What I find easy, you may find impossible and vice versa. That's also one of the things I like about having a teacher- when I get stuck like that, she can usually see and/or hear the real trouble spots (which are sometimes not what I percieve them to be) and can help work thru the real problems, even if it means working on some exercises or scales or whatever outside the actual piece.

As for the layoff, I'm just hoping I don't slide back too much without my regular lessons. But that's why we are going to try to come up with a plan of action!
Posted by: saw

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/26/07 02:39 AM

I came upon this topic, and am feeling newly motivated to continue with Book 3. I had set it aside because 1) I am no longer taking lessons (my teacher was encouraging me to finish), and 2) I convinced myself that moving into the Piano Handbook would be a better and more interesting way to spend my piano time. Now that I see that there is a community that I might be part of, I will take a fresh look at Book 3. Right now, I don't recall where I was in the book, and I'm having trouble locating it.

More later,

Stan
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/27/07 11:12 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by saw:
I came upon this topic, and am feeling newly motivated to continue with Book 3. I had set it aside because 1) I am no longer taking lessons (my teacher was encouraging me to finish), and 2) I convinced myself that moving into the Piano Handbook would be a better and more interesting way to spend my piano time. Now that I see that there is a community that I might be part of, I will take a fresh look at Book 3. Right now, I don't recall where I was in the book, and I'm having trouble locating it.

More later,

Stan [/b]
Welcome to book 3 Stan...keep us posted on how you are progressing.

Mark
Posted by: pianoluvr

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/28/07 01:33 PM

Hello everyone! Congratulations on reaching Book 3! It's an incredible accomplishment. I'm still working on Book 2 (very early on in Book 2) but I'm wondering if the selections and theory in Book 3 are "worth" working through the book or if it would be better simply to continue to repertoire selections. Does anyone have an opinion on this?
Posted by: dfpolitowski

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/28/07 07:37 PM

My Opinion is the "stay the course".

The book is well thought out and planned by professionals, how could you do much better? The purpous of the book is to train the student to play music with a little theory on the side. Staying with the program encourages good discipline. That is what is needed in learning to play. My thinking is "that if you trier and quit this series It will only serve to encourage you to quit something else later on if it is not to your liking. or Working out in the moment.
This is one secret to which helps me keep going on "the journnee". It is a task oriented mentality. In my case, my minds satisfaction comes equally from striving to finish the task i have committed to. Not whether I learn something or not or even enjoy it. The only down side to making a plan is that you learn as you progress. In the process of learning you may realize what you have committed to is inferior to a newly discovered way, program or whatever. This is when strong temptation comes to quit what you committed to. But we are talking about the "Alfred's adult series" and the series is not too extensive to commit to. It should take the average beginning student, assuming enough practice, about three to four years? maybe. Something like that.

Oh, yes my opinion on the theory is that you leave it alone. Learn your theory elsewhere. From a theory teacher. Someone who does theory, arrangement or composition all the time.

Just some of my thoughts on the matter.

David P.


This seems to work for me.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/09/07 11:34 PM

Since I'm more than half way through book 2, today I started looking at book 3 to get an idea of whats in it.

Boy if I can get through that I will be amazed...
Some of the classics in the back are just some awesome pieces.

I originally thought I could get through book 3 in a year, but know I need to expect it will take much longer. Thats ok because if I finish it, I will have accomplished more that I ever expected.

Now I know why my teacher recently added Hanon...

So how are you book 3 people doing?
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/10/07 11:03 AM

Well, I'm not much farther than last time, but I had mitigating circumstances! lol I will be resuming my lessons this Tuesday, so will, hopefully, get back into the book quickly.

As for timing, yes, I think this one will take a while to get thru well. But I also think the challenge will be worth it in the end.
Posted by: the...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/18/07 02:30 AM

i am officially done with level 3! i started level 1 in may of last year and i finished level 3 a few weeks ago. now i'm just working on whatever my teacher gives me:

turkish march
chopin nocturne 20

things like that

i'm also writing music and scoring out songs, yeah.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/18/07 11:05 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by the...:
i am officially done with level 3! i started level 1 in may of last year and i finished level 3 a few weeks ago. now i'm just working on whatever my teacher gives me:

turkish march
chopin nocturne 20

things like that

i'm also writing music and scoring out songs, yeah. [/b]
Congrats...thats a great accomplishment and at quick pace too
Posted by: PianoTeacherKim

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/07/07 11:11 PM

the...

Congratulations! Good work! I really loved hearing that you're writing music and scoring songs. I think composition is so fun, creative, and valuable... there's nothing like hearing something in your head and being able to translate it onto the keyboard and the staff.

Mark,

Yup, Hanon will definitely get you in shape for Book 3! I think they're pretty cool, too. I like repetitive, organized things like that -- they appeal to my sense of order, I guess.

Happy practicing and Happy holidays too!

Kim
Posted by: dfpolitowski

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/08/07 02:21 PM

Congratulations Mark
Posted by: KeyboardJungle

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/17/07 08:55 AM

I'm almost through book 2, and now thinking about book 3. Does anybody know if the CD is available?
Posted by: dfpolitowski

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/17/07 07:31 PM

I was under the impression there was no CD available for that book. I looked, and never saw a book III for sale with a optional CD. I believe the publisher choose not to include a CD with the last book. Regardless, I found I did not need a recording. I believe a recording is helpful chiefly with complex pieces, pieces from which expression plays a major part. Few if any of the practice pieces in this series make a great demands on interpretation skills.
Posted by: KeyboardJungle

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/24/07 03:53 PM

So, I got through book 2, and was ready to start book 3. But, I decided to go back and work through book 2 and pay close attention to the dynamic markings and get each tune up to speed. My goal is to polish tune enough that I wouldn't be shy about playing it for somebody.

There are a couple of songs in book 2 that I just don't like, so I may skip a couple of them. Book 3 is on order, but EST is moved up to April 1. I would love to find a teacher, but so far, my teacher selections have be disappointing. (There is a difference between a good musician and a good piano teacher!)
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/28/08 05:34 PM

Well it took a while, offically started book 3 today. Still cleaning up the back end of book two...

Also the first anniversary with my teacher...
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/29/08 10:33 AM

So what's the first piece in your Book 3, Mark? I have the All in One edition, so I know there will be differences.
Posted by: funburger

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/29/08 11:51 AM

Mark, congrats, i think you will enjoy book 3 very much:)

irishmak, how are you liking book 3??

and does anyone know what happens after book 3?? do we do grow wings and can fly or something as i am really hoping something great happens when i am finished with it \:D hehehehehe.
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/29/08 02:32 PM

So far, book 3 is ok. Some pieces I certainly enjoy more than others. And I do like the extra theory stuff in the All in One book, since I do need to get up to speed on that stuff, too. Just got thru the diminished 7th chords theory stuff and am working on the Clementi Prelude. Will have to evaluate (after talking with my teacher) whether I want to tackle the Bach WTC Prelude that the book says you can after the Clementi (the Bach is in the Ambitious section at the back of the book). I will try to learn it at some point, but I am also working on some things outside the Alfred's book, so don't know how much more I want to pile on right now.

I believe, that, yes, after book 3, you do sprout wings.... \:D
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/29/08 09:05 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
So what's the first piece in your Book 3, Mark? I have the All in One edition, so I know there will be differences. [/b]
hi Mak, the first piece in book 3 is a goofy title called "A Super-Special Sorta Song". followed by Calypso Rhuba...

Mark...

Thanks again Funburger!
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/29/08 10:05 PM

Ok, so the beginning is the same. Super Special song I have to admit was less than enthusiastic for me- the title and the lyrics were kinda lame. But I enjoyed playing Calypso Rhumba. I still go back to that one now and then.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/09/08 05:12 PM

Well I'm on Fandango which is a very nice piece. I haven't been a fan of the Latin pieces but this one is a keeper...I added someone's U tube demo of it on the opening post in this thread...

Mark...
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/11/08 11:24 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
Well it took a while, offically started book 3 today. Still cleaning up the back end of book two...

Also the first anniversary with my teacher... [/b]
Mark, that is fantastic!

Also next week is my first anni. with my teach. I have 9 more songs left in book 2. Book 3 looks scary \:\)
She has been great and I have really progressed with her. I want to get her some'n maybe a gift card to her favourite catalog....

Did you get your teach anything?...

is there a protocol to this... anyone?
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/11/08 11:26 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by the...:
i am officially done with level 3! i started level 1 in may of last year and i finished level 3 a few weeks ago. now i'm just working on whatever my teacher gives me:

turkish march
chopin nocturne 20

things like that

i'm also writing music and scoring out songs, yeah. [/b]
well good for you. only 1 post.
um.... busy, huh \:\)
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/11/08 12:25 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IamElise:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
Well it took a while, offically started book 3 today. Still cleaning up the back end of book two...

Also the first anniversary with my teacher... [/b]
Mark, that is fantastic!

Also next week is my first anni. with my teach. I have 9 more songs left in book 2. Book 3 looks scary \:\)
She has been great and I have really progressed with her. I want to get her some'n maybe a gift card to her favourite catalog....

Did you get your teach anything?...

is there a protocol to this... anyone? [/b]
Nothing for the anniversary, but a music book and a gift card for Christmas...
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/11/08 01:42 PM

 Quote:
well good for you. only 1 post.
um.... busy, huh
He registered in 2005. teee heeeee Talk about the silent type. he he
Posted by: the...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/11/08 10:53 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IamElise:
 Quote:
Originally posted by the...:
i am officially done with level 3! i started level 1 in may of last year and i finished level 3 a few weeks ago. now i'm just working on whatever my teacher gives me:

turkish march
chopin nocturne 20

things like that

i'm also writing music and scoring out songs, yeah. [/b]
well good for you. only 1 post.
um.... busy, huh \:\) [/b]
haha, i'm a lurker at heart. i do check the forum everyday, i just rarely post!

anyway, i'm working on

take five
scott joplin's maple leaf rag
the prelude in c minor from bach's well tempered clavier
sonata pathetique (first movement) by beethoven
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/31/08 03:42 PM

My book 3 update:

Have been in book 3 for about a month and find the book very enjoyable for the most part. I thought these larger pieces would slow me down but so far so good. When I hit Serenade from atring quartet I went into a panic. I thought my left hand deserterd me, butby practicing the Alberti bass I was able to over come that issue.

Book 3 pieces with comments so far:

A Super Special Sorta Song - ok, not a favorite. I call it a paying your dues type piece,,, \:D

Calypso Rhumba - average, interesting

Fandango - Excellent, love this one. Sweet sounding...

Modern Sounds - OK, second part very nice.

Serenade - scary at first, lots of work. Very enjoyable and challenging piece.

A very Special day - written by Palmer who wrote the first piece, Average at best. I don't like this writers work.

A Classy Rag - very nice piece still working on...

Prelude in D Minor - listen to this magical sounding piece from a couple of U tube players:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBL11nS9Loc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxD_KAN0YNA&feature=related
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/31/08 05:00 PM

A Super Special Sorta Song - I was not very fond of this one myself. But I got thru it.

Calypso Rhumba - I like this one. Still go back and play it now and again.

Fandango - This one I was not thrilled with. It was ok.

Modern Sounds - Kinda neat sounding.

Serenade - Yeah, this one was a bit tough. Then again, my Alberti bass leaves a lot to be desired!

A very Special day - I wasn't especially fond of this one but my teacher liked the way I played it.

A Classy Rag - I had a hard time getting a good idea what this was supposed to sound like, and that made it hard to figure out.

Prelude in D Minor - I really, really like this one! My teacher has me play it a bit slower than the YouTube videos, but it really is very pretty. I think this is going to be a keeper.

When we got to the Prelude, she said, "Oh yes, eventually we will be playing a lot of Clementi!" Yeah, I see it coming (from when daughter took piano- different teacher). Clementi Sonatinas are basic repertoire. And they are scary!!

And moving along:

Star Spangled Banner- Different arrangement of this one. Teacher says it's one of the most difficult in any of their books. I do not like the tremolos! Still struggling here.

Make Up Your Mind- Back and forth in Major and related minor. Not too difficult. Got thru it quickly.

Swan Lake- just barely started on this one. Slow going right now.

So that's where I am in Alfred's 3.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/31/08 05:19 PM

Thanks for the update IrishMak...

I really have a problem with the tremolos too...

I agree Prelude in D is a keeper...I just have to get it first! \:D Start it this week...

Mark

PS: I'm still cleaning up the back of book two. Trying to get Cannon under 6+ mins...
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 04/02/08 11:50 AM

Hi guys - I'm closing in on the end of book 2 and would like to know: (1) what you think overall of book 3 and (2) what you plan to do after you're done with book 3.

Thanks, JF
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 04/02/08 01:12 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by JohnFrank:
Hi guys - I'm closing in on the end of book 2 and would like to know: (1) what you think overall of book 3 and (2) what you plan to do after you're done with book 3.

Thanks, JF [/b]
The pieces for the most part are much better than book 2. If you have been reading my past posts I describe all the songs I've done so far.

As for after book 3 I'm not sure. I'd like to do more pop, blues, jazz, and rock stuff, but I'm going to let my teacher help me see where we go.

I have about a year to figure it out.

Mark
Posted by: IamElise

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 04/03/08 04:25 AM

I have mixed feelings about book 3 - scared I guess. But then, that's how I felt about book 2 as I was ending book 1. Also I’m thinking of taking the summer off (I know its not advisable) to gallivant with the kids...

anyways... Mark I know this is weird - but, do you have a stop watch. I found that to be the only way I could build 'speed' - yes, I know I know thats what the metronome is for - but the 'nome never works for me when I am just learning a piece. that tick tick confuses me...

for ex. I am amazed I used to take :52 secs to play a :07sec measure.

maybe you could try the stop watch route...

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
PS: I'm still cleaning up the back of book two. Trying to get Cannon under 6+ mins... [/b]
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 04/03/08 12:14 PM

In general, I like Book 3. (I have the All In One edition, btw) Some pieces are better (IMO) than others. I'm sure some of what I like, others will not, and vice versa. But a big part of that is individual taste. If you have used the first 2 and basically enjoyed them and felt they helped you, then I don't think you will be disappointed in 3. The Ambitous section at the end of 3 is much more complex than anything at the end of 2, but that's to be expected, and hopefully you are ready for them as you get to them.

As for after that, I don't know. I don't want to concentrate completely on classical, and my teacher is pretty much classically trained. She is more than willing to look at anything I want to, tho, and we have worked on some jazz, new age, etc along the way. She does get a bit "fussy" about some of the "arrangements" of pop songs, tho. Can't say as I blame her- some of them are just bad. LOL I know she has some more Clementi up her sleeve for me. And I have a few books and sheets I've collected, so we should be good for while.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 04/03/08 02:48 PM

Thanks guys for your input - any idea how long it will take to get thru 3 (on the average)?

JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 04/03/08 04:15 PM

Let's see, I started book 3 in late July of '07. The furthest I am right now is page 45, of 141 pages. Tho I am still working on a couple earlier pages, also. I figure this one is going to take me over a year to get finished with.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 04/04/08 12:10 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IamElise:
I have mixed feelings about book 3 - scared I guess. But then, that's how I felt about book 2 as I was ending book 1. Also I’m thinking of taking the summer off (I know its not advisable) to gallivant with the kids...

anyways... Mark I know this is weird - but, do you have a stop watch. I found that to be the only way I could build 'speed' - yes, I know I know thats what the metronome is for - but the 'nome never works for me when I am just learning a piece. that tick tick confuses me...

for ex. I am amazed I used to take :52 secs to play a :07sec measure.

maybe you could try the stop watch route...

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
PS: I'm still cleaning up the back of book two. Trying to get Cannon under 6+ mins... [/b]
[/b]
I use a stop watch to keep my piano log time and I use it for timing Canon. Never used it for other pieces. Funburger played Canon on U-tube in 3:33 and that gives me a goal time.


Mark
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/02/08 08:14 PM

Mark, I started Book 3 about a month ago and have worked my way up to the Serenade, but I still have work to do on the Canon in Book 2. Since you seem to have mastered it I wonder if you could help me with the fingering on the last page where it says "Still Slower". My fourth finger after the triad is letting me down and I can't get it to play smoothly. Any suggestions?
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/03/08 06:09 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
Mark, I started Book 3 about a month ago and have worked my way up to the Serenade, but I still have work to do on the Canon in Book 2. Since you seem to have mastered it I wonder if you could help me with the fingering on the last page where it says "Still Slower". My fourth finger after the triad is letting me down and I can't get it to play smoothly. Any suggestions? [/b]
I haven't mastered Canon yet... \:D

In regard to your question I use the suggested 531 fingering for the triad of ADF# but move in tight so the pinkie can hit the F# then the 4 is right over the E ready to be struck fairly easy.

If its a strength or control issue with the normally weak 4 finger you might need to do some exercises. But if you made it to book 3 I wouldn't think it would be an issue.

Hope this helps..

PS: with the Serenade make sure you practice the Alberti base a lot. It makes a world of difference...

Mark...
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/04/08 09:36 PM

Mark, it might be a strength issue. I don't recall having anything in book 2 that required use of the 4th finger in quite the same way. As it happens, I can only practice that section 2-3 times at a sitting as my wrist gets very tired. I'll try digging out an appropriate Hanon exercise. Do you use your arms to help you here?

The Alberti bass did not give me any problem. It seems that once I recognized the chords being used, I didn't have to read the LH and it moved along fairly easily. I am having some trouble with the 3 measures in the bottom line of page 1 though. It's a fair jump in the right hand and I don't have that going smoothly yet.

Bob
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/04/08 09:45 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
Mark, it might be a strength issue. I don't recall having anything in book 2 that required use of the 4th finger in quite the same way. As it happens, I can only practice that section 2-3 times at a sitting as my wrist gets very tired. I'll try digging out an appropriate Hanon exercise. Do you use your arms to help you here?

The Alberti bass did not give me any problem. It seems that once I recognized the chords being used, I didn't have to read the LH and it moved along fairly easily. I am having some trouble with the 3 measures in the bottom line of page 1 though. It's a fair jump in the right hand and I don't have that going smoothly yet.

Bob [/b]
That area of Canon hasn't been a problem. Do you bring your hand forward? You get more control that way.

I also need to work on the bottom of page one in Serenade.

Hang in there, you will get it...
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/08/08 03:19 PM

Mark, my teacher solved my fingering problem by suggesting I use 1-2-4 on the triads. I know this is not cricket, but since I'm not preparing for the Royal Conservatory, what does it matter. Besides, at my age, I'm lucky that my fingers work at all.

Regarding Serenade, I was so focussed on getting the Alberti Bass that I was excessively heavy with my left hand. It turns out that this piece is a very nice exercise in balance, whereby the left hand is played much softer than the right. I find that difficult to do, but it makes the piece more interesting to play and it sounds much nicer.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/08/08 08:16 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
Mark, my teacher solved my fingering problem by suggesting I use 1-2-4 on the triads. I know this is not cricket, but since I'm not preparing for the Royal Conservatory, what does it matter. Besides, at my age, I'm lucky that my fingers work at all.

Regarding Serenade, I was so focussed on getting the Alberti Bass that I was excessively heavy with my left hand. It turns out that this piece is a very nice exercise in balance, whereby the left hand is played much softer than the right. I find that difficult to do, but it makes the piece more interesting to play and it sounds much nicer. [/b]
My teacher say what ever works for you is a good thing.

I thought I meet a wall when I first started Serenade because of so much contrary left hand work, But after a while it started to come together. Haven't played it close to clean yet.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/13/08 10:33 PM

Now that I've been exposed to pieces like The Chopin Etude, Danny Boy, Canon and Serenade, I'm less inclined to want to spend my time and effort on those labelled "Just for Fun". Mark, since you and I seem to be the only remaining partcipants in this thread, I was wondering what your thoughts were with respect to the "Just for Fun" pieces.
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/14/08 10:45 AM

Hey! I'm still here! \:D Tho, I admit, not real good at posting a lot...

I've also been out of the Alfred's book for a bit again, and have gotten back into it the last few weeks.

As for the Just For Fun pieces, I haven't really found any (so far) that have caused me to want to work them to fully polished "perfection." So, while we don't skip them, they are ones that my teacher and I often agree are "good enough," and then let them go. I have to admit that the ones that get to me are often the distillations of orchestral works to a piano piece. Some (not all, of course) just don't condense well and it's very hard to hear anything in them. And I am a person who has to hear the - hmm, not sure what to call it? Melody?- in the music to be able to play it. Otherwise, it's all just random notes to me, and has no cohesion. Sometimes, if I listen to the original, it helps, but sometimes, it is so different from the piano reduction that it just isn't any better. And so I've been struggling with the Scherezade piece and the Unfinished Symphony in Alfred's 3. Scherezade is finally starting to come together, but that Symphony- eek! I have to admit that, right now, I am enjoying the supplemental pieces I am working on more than Alfred's.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/14/08 05:01 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
Now that I've been exposed to pieces like The Chopin Etude, Danny Boy, Canon and Serenade, I'm less inclined to want to spend my time and effort on those labelled "Just for Fun". Mark, since you and I seem to be the only remaining partcipants in this thread, I was wondering what your thoughts were with respect to the "Just for Fun" pieces. [/b]
I haven't even tried the "Just for Fun" pieces. I so busy working on the regular book 3 stuff. Some are really tough...
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/14/08 05:03 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
Hey! I'm still here! \:D Tho, I admit, not real good at posting a lot...

I've also been out of the Alfred's book for a bit again, and have gotten back into it the last few weeks.

As for the Just For Fun pieces, I haven't really found any (so far) that have caused me to want to work them to fully polished "perfection." So, while we don't skip them, they are ones that my teacher and I often agree are "good enough," and then let them go. I have to admit that the ones that get to me are often the distillations of orchestral works to a piano piece. Some (not all, of course) just don't condense well and it's very hard to hear anything in them. And I am a person who has to hear the - hmm, not sure what to call it? Melody?- in the music to be able to play it. Otherwise, it's all just random notes to me, and has no cohesion. Sometimes, if I listen to the original, it helps, but sometimes, it is so different from the piano reduction that it just isn't any better. And so I've been struggling with the Scherezade piece and the Unfinished Symphony in Alfred's 3. Scherezade is finally starting to come together, but that Symphony- eek! I have to admit that, right now, I am enjoying the supplemental pieces I am working on more than Alfred's. [/b]
I agree a piece has to have a sweet spot to my ear to fully get involved in it. Some book 3 pieces haven't done so, but many have.

I know why the Unfinished Symphony was unfininshed... \:D
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/14/08 10:09 PM

Mak, I'm sorry I forgot about you, but I'm glad my remark brought you out of the woodwork. Your comments made me feel a little guilty as I have been tempted to skip the "unofficial" pieces completely. I'm sure they must have some value, but I hate to invest a lot of time in something I don't like. At least in Book 2, the lessons were always couched in well-known pieces. I'm afraid I just don't care to learn Palmer's creations.

Do you, Mak and Mark, record your teacher playing the pieces you are working on. Perhaps I'm cheating by using my Zoom H2, but I couldn't practice without it.

Just to keep the record straight, I'm still working on Serenade trying to get the balance and timing right. I tend to speed up as I get into it. This week I've also started to work on the Prelude, skipping the Palmer pieces.

Bob
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/14/08 11:03 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
Mak, I'm sorry I forgot about you, but I'm glad my remark brought you out of the woodwork. Your comments made me feel a little guilty as I have been tempted to skip the "unofficial" pieces completely. I'm sure they must have some value, but I hate to invest a lot of time in something I don't like. At least in Book 2, the lessons were always couched in well-known pieces. I'm afraid I just don't care to learn Palmer's creations.

Do you, Mak and Mark, record your teacher playing the pieces you are working on. Perhaps I'm cheating by using my Zoom H2, but I couldn't practice without it.

Just to keep the record straight, I'm still working on Serenade trying to get the balance and timing right. I tend to speed up as I get into it. This week I've also started to work on the Prelude, skipping the Palmer pieces.

Bob [/b]
I don't record my teacher but she does play each piece. Especially one's that are very unfamiliar.

I agree with you about Palmer's pieces, those are not very interesting. I plow through them just enough to try to get some value out of them.

Prelude in D is excellent, check the video link of a gentleman playing on u-tube. Its on the opening post of this thread and a good example of what it should sound like...
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/15/08 11:09 AM

I do not record my teacher playing, mainly because I have no easy way of doing so. No Zoom or anything like that.

If I am hesitant about one of Palmer's pieces in Alfred's, my teacher usually points out why it is there- even the Just For Fun pieces have some basis in the lessons that have gone before. Some do go back to much earlier things, but there is usually something. So we got thru them, but, as I said, many get tossed aside rather quickly. One thing they have done is help (a little, tiny bit) with my not being able to play something I can't "hear." Since these are originals, there is no recording I can look up (barring the occasional YouTube video) to help. And I guess that's one reason I will at least try them.

Mark- As for the Unfinished Symphony- this past week, when I was fighting those off-beats in the right hand and trying to fit the left hand dotted rhythms in there, my teacher said: "This is a hard piece because those rhythms are tricky to get right. That's probably why it's "unfinished." I replied: "Oh, so it was too hard for him, too??" LOL
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/15/08 11:33 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
I do not record my teacher playing, mainly because I have no easy way of doing so. No Zoom or anything like that.


Mark- As for the Unfinished Symphony- this past week, when I was fighting those off-beats in the right hand and trying to fit the left hand dotted rhythms in there, my teacher said: "This is a hard piece because those rhythms are tricky to get right. That's probably why it's "unfinished." I replied: "Oh, so it was too hard for him, too??" LOL [/b]
So true...lol

That piece is killing me and Steal Away looks like a bear too...
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/15/08 09:21 PM

Mark, thanks for the pointer to the U-tube video. My teacher has been after me about getting my hands into the keys, almost pushing on the fallboard. Watching the video gave me a better understanding of what my teacher was getting at.

Did you try the Bach Prelude after the Prelude in D?

Mak, the great thing about the Zoom H2/H4 is that I just turn it on, point it at the piano and record. No fuss, no muss, not wasting any of my teacher's time with setup etc. I then edit the pieces using Audacity and use "The Amazing SlowDowner" to slow them down if it's too fast for me in the beginning. The combination is a nice set of tools for learning to play.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/17/08 08:51 PM

HI Oldfingers - those fingers can't be too old - you really took off in Book 2 & zoomed thru it and now I find you here deep in Book 3 - good for you - I'll be joining you one of these months, but by then you'll probably be off into bigger & better things \:\)

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/17/08 10:47 PM

John Frank, well at 68, the fingers are pretty old, but thankfully, not yet too old to learn to play the piano.

I must say that what is happening to me is quite weird. I struggled for a couple of years trying to play from lead sheets, which, in retrospect, was not the right approach for me. Now that I'm into reading the notes and playing classical pieces, my fingers are responding surprisingly well. So far the only piece in Book 2 that I have not been able to play satisfactorily is the Canon as there is one measure on the last page that forces my 4th finger to do something it hasn't had to do before and the muscle is weak. But I keep working at it and it's getting better.

To be fair, with the lead sheet approach I spent a lot of time learning a very large number of chords which I used to practice by going around the circle over and over. I also played all the scales around the circle too so that I was developing some dexterity in my fingers. Although I don't exactly know why, I think this has probably been a big help in allowing me to progress as quickly as I have.

I continue to visit the Book 2 thread and notice that you are also progressing quite well. It won't be long before you are joining me, Mak and Mark. It will be great to have you along for the ride.

Bob
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/17/08 11:25 PM

Progress note:

Well I spoke with my teacher at the end of practice and told her I felt I was falling behind and not playing some of the book 3 pieces as well as I liked and that I would like to go into a holding pattern and try to clean up everything up to where we are currently. We have been doing a piece a week for a long time and trying to get two pages down has been a struggle lately.

It's amazing when you add a piece a week how it just piles up...even with 2-3 hours of practice a day...

She thought that was a very good idea so after adding my new piece "Steal Away" we shall not move forward till I feel I have cleaned up everything. It's a great relief to take a break and concentrate on fine turning everything.

Now if I could just get rid of my 2 1/2 jobs... \:D
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/18/08 10:29 AM

Mark - I think that's a real good idea for you - at several points I felt the same urge - ultimately I decided to do what I call "concurrent review", which means that I'm always moving forward on new pieces, but at the same time I'm reviewing (in depth ) one or two old pieces that I originally started say about 6 months before - as I move ahead with each new piece I also move ahead with an old piece or two, thus "polishing off" or "cleaning up" as I go trudging forward - of course, being retired I have the time to do this - you have 2 1/2 jobs?

Regards, JF

P.S. I may have some time this next week 1 or 2 new pieces from Book 2 for you to upload - will PM you when they're ready.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/18/08 10:31 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
John Frank, well at 68, the fingers are pretty old, but thankfully, not yet too old to learn to play the piano.

I continue to visit the Book 2 thread and notice that you are also progressing quite well. It won't be long before you are joining me, Mak and Mark. It will be great to have you along for the ride.

Bob [/b]
I'm looking forward to it - both the challenge of new, interesting pieces and the excellent company of all three of you (and hopefully some others) \:\)

Regards, JF
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/18/08 07:24 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Mark - I think that's a real good idea for you - at several points I felt the same urge - ultimately I decided to do what I call "concurrent review", which means that I'm always moving forward on new pieces, but at the same time I'm reviewing (in depth ) one or two old pieces that I originally started say about 6 months before - as I move ahead with each new piece I also move ahead with an old piece or two, thus "polishing off" or "cleaning up" as I go trudging forward - of course, being retired I have the time to do this - you have 2 1/2 jobs?

Regards, JF

P.S. I may have some time this next week 1 or 2 new pieces from Book 2 for you to upload - will PM you when they're ready. [/b]
The jobs do take up quite some time. Last week was a killer...Vacation time is coming.

Looking forward to your new book 2 pieces...

Mark
Posted by: Fitswimmer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/20/08 09:29 AM

Can I join in here? I'm currently working on the Serenade and the Classy Rag in Alfred 3. That Classy Rag thing may just be the death of me. I spent forever on it last night getting the fingering right in that second section.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/20/08 10:02 AM

Sure Fitswimmer - come on in - the water's fine (so to speak, given your name ;\) ) - I'm not working out of Book 3 yet, but hopefully will be soon, and am very interested in what those who are working there have to say about the pieces and their experiences.

Welcome. maybe one of the other "regulars" can give you a hint or tip on the fingering for Classy rag.

Regards, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/20/08 10:23 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Fitswimmer:
Can I join in here? I'm currently working on the Serenade and the Classy Rag in Alfred 3. That Classy Rag thing may just be the death of me. I spent forever on it last night getting the fingering right in that second section. [/b]
Join right in! And welcome.

Are you talking about the first repeat section in Classy Rag? Measure 5, I think it is? I found the right hand fingering pretty straightforward. The left is a bit jumpy. My teacher told me to try to "rock" the left hand back and forth, rather than pick it up fully and make a big move out of it. And "relax, relax"- yeah, easier said than done! \:\) Just go slowly and carefully at first.
Posted by: Fitswimmer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/20/08 11:00 AM

It's the second line of the second page that got me...I'm at the office so I don't have it in front of me right now. It was the left hand though, I kept changing my notations as I found easier ways to do it!
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/20/08 11:45 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Fitswimmer:
Can I join in here? I'm currently working on the Serenade and the Classy Rag in Alfred 3. That Classy Rag thing may just be the death of me. I spent forever on it last night getting the fingering right in that second section. [/b]
Welcome! Yes its going to take forever for me to get the Classy Rag up to speed. And the worst part is the bottom of page two...
Posted by: Fitswimmer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/20/08 11:48 AM

you're not kidding. It took me a while just to figure out how the darn thing ran.."I go where after I finish this line???" I know they only wanted to use 2 pages, but YIKES, there had to be a better way!
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/20/08 12:38 PM

All those wacky "repeat, and go back to here" directions are the least of my issues with sight reading. (Hey, at least I can say I can read SOMETHING decently! LOL) I sang in a chorus for 18+ years and you ought to see what they put in some vocal music for direction, esp. in medleys, where the book is large enough without printing up all the repeats, etc. each time! Stuff that interpreted as "sing from the beginning to page 12, then go back to page 3, sing to page 7 and go to page 13 for the end" was not uncommon. You do get used to it eventually. Really. You do.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/21/08 07:53 PM

I know I'm setting a poor example here but I skipped "Classy Rag". Generally I don't like to spend my time on the non-attributed pieces unless I can see significant tutorial value. In this case it seemed to me that the diminished chords were the new item, so as penance for skipping the piece, I did the all the diminished chords going around the circle several times.

I have just about finished Serenade except for getting the accents right on the two-beat slurs. It is really enjoyable to play as the Alberti Bass moves right along. I'm also working on Special Day as I find it a good exercise in getting my fingers into the black keys. Having skipped the Classy Rag, I've taken on the Prelude in D Minor and in C major. Those two will probably take me to he end of this term.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/21/08 08:56 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
I know I'm setting a poor example here but I skipped "Classy Rag". Generally I don't like to spend my time on the non-attributed pieces unless I can see significant tutorial value. In this case it seemed to me that the diminished chords were the new item, so as penance for skipping the piece, I did the all the diminished chords going around the circle several times.

I have just about finished Serenade except for getting the accents right on the two-beat slurs. It is really enjoyable to play as the Alberti Bass moves right along. I'm also working on Special Day as I find it a good exercise in getting my fingers into the black keys. Having skipped the Classy Rag, I've taken on the Prelude in D Minor and in C major. Those two will probably take me to he end of this term. [/b]
I'm finding it difficult to get Classy Rag up to speed. Maybe thats a learning concept in itself.

Prelude in D minor is one of my favorites. I'm getting very close to nailing it.

PS: I'm also having a great time with "Spooky Story" as lame as it sounds... \:D Interesting piece...
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/21/08 09:42 PM

Let's see-

Serenade[/b]- I hate Alberti bass! For some reason, my fingers just don't want to play it right. This one gets pulled out now and again, for the practice.

Speical Day[/b]- I rather liked this one and found it not too difficult. It got cleared pretty quickly.

Classy Rag[/b]- Never did get it completely up to speed, but it wasn't one that grabbed me so we let it slide.

Prelude in d[/b]- I like this one a lot, along with the rest of you. It gets played at least once a day. Someday, I may even be able to do it justice!

Star-Spangled Banner[/b]- Finally making some progress on this one. There were a few left hand moves that I just found very difficult to get smoothly, but it's starting to come along now.

Swan Lake[/b]- I liked this one, too. The repetitive bass line helped me get some good solid tempo work in.

Scheherazade[/b]- Triplets were tricky, but a lot of slow, steady practice got them reasonably decent.

Unfinished Symphony[/b]- Added the next section this week. Finally got the counting straight (I think!) and hope that helps progress.

Spooky Story[/b]- Cleared this one from the lesson list this week. It is fun to play! Love the sound way down there at the bass end of the keyboard. I'm now working on this one on my own, trying to get that "mysterious" sound consistent.

Steal Away[/b]- Just started this one, and I do think I am going to like it. Of course, I do like spirituals and I have sung this one, so it's somewhat familiar.

My progress report... ;\)
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/21/08 10:02 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
Let's see-

Serenade[/b]- I hate Alberti bass! For some reason, my fingers just don't want to play it right. This one gets pulled out now and again, for the practice.

Speical Day[/b]- I rather liked this one and found it not too difficult. It got cleared pretty quickly.

Classy Rag[/b]- Never did get it completely up to speed, but it wasn't one that grabbed me so we let it slide.

Prelude in d[/b]- I like this one a lot, along with the rest of you. It gets played at least once a day. Someday, I may even be able to do it justice!

Star-Spangled Banner[/b]- Finally making some progress on this one. There were a few left hand moves that I just found very difficult to get smoothly, but it's starting to come along now.

Swan Lake[/b]- I liked this one, too. The repetitive bass line helped me get some good solid tempo work in.

Scheherazade[/b]- Triplets were tricky, but a lot of slow, steady practice got them reasonably decent.

Unfinished Symphony[/b]- Added the next section this week. Finally got the counting straight (I think!) and hope that helps progress.

Spooky Story[/b]- Cleared this one from the lesson list this week. It is fun to play! Love the sound way down there at the bass end of the keyboard. I'm now working on this one on my own, trying to get that "mysterious" sound consistent.

Steal Away[/b]- Just started this one, and I do think I am going to like it. Of course, I do like spirituals and I have sung this one, so it's somewhat familiar.

My progress report... ;\) [/b]
Wow! I'm at Steal Away too. At first I was intimidated by it, but have been working on it a lot. Very nice sound. Like it a lot also. This is where I'm going to stay in a holding pattern till I can clean up all the stuff you mentioned.
Posted by: Fitswimmer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/22/08 07:15 AM

I'm still holding on the Serenade and the Rag. The Serenade is going pretty well, but I'm still struggling with that Rag. I'm also working on the Fur Elise in the Aaron book-my teacher likes to use multiple method books. It means that I get to skip some stuff in each one, which is kind of nice. I skipped Special Day in Alfred, but I will be doing the Prelude after I get the other two in better shape.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/22/08 07:42 AM

Mark, IrishMak, Oldfingers, Fitswimmer, someone else:

Would love to *hear* how you guys are doing with all these great sounding Book 3 pieces - anyone interested in recording and uploading their take on them to the OP here in the Book 3 thread? You are hereby strongly encouraged to do so.

If so, you are welcome to use the proceedure or "system" that Mark & I have been using to upload samples of pieces from Book 2, which is:

1. Record the piece;
2. upload it to your Box.net acct. (or other file sharing site);
3. Provide a link to it in the topic JF Uploads [/b] in the Just for the fun of it [/b] Forum, which we have been using for a number of the Book 2 uploads;
4. Mark then copies it over to the OP for the respective Alfred thread.

If you need more details let me know.

Hoping to "hear" from you! \:\)

Regards, JF
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/22/08 08:55 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Fitswimmer:
I'm still holding on the Serenade and the Rag. The Serenade is going pretty well, but I'm still struggling with that Rag. I'm also working on the Fur Elise in the Aaron book-my teacher likes to use multiple method books. It means that I get to skip some stuff in each one, which is kind of nice. I skipped Special Day in Alfred, but I will be doing the Prelude after I get the other two in better shape. [/b]
Since we are all struggling with the Rag, I'm not feeling too bad now... \:D

Did you know the full version of Fur Elise is in the back of book 3? And skipping "Special Day" is no big deal. \:D

JF, I uploaded an early take of Modern Sounds, but need to update it. I play it much better now.

I hope to record some book 3 stuff soon as well...
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/22/08 11:01 AM

I'm kinda stuck on recording right now. Audacity does not seem to like working with my new laptop here. I can record, but as soon as I try to do anything else- play back, save, etc- it freezes up. The IT Dept. (read: hubby!) is looking into it, but a solution seems to be evading us for the moment.
Posted by: Fitswimmer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/22/08 02:51 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Fitswimmer:
I'm still holding on the Serenade and the Rag. The Serenade is going pretty well, but I'm still struggling with that Rag. I'm also working on the Fur Elise in the Aaron book-my teacher likes to use multiple method books. It means that I get to skip some stuff in each one, which is kind of nice. I skipped Special Day in Alfred, but I will be doing the Prelude after I get the other two in better shape. [/b]
Since we are all struggling with the Rag, I'm not feeling too bad now... \:D

Did you know the full version of Fur Elise is in the back of book 3? And skipping "Special Day" is no big deal. \:D

JF, I uploaded an early take of Modern Sounds, but need to update it. I play it much better now.

I hope to record some book 3 stuff soon as well... [/b]
I saw that! I'm looking forward to getting to it because then I can add the rest of it to the part I already know!

I have to decide if I'm going to pony up for a Zoom or something to record my playing. I was considering getting a digital keyboard to plug into my Mac, but I don't know if that will be as effective as just getting the recorder.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/22/08 05:06 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Fitswimmer:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Fitswimmer:
I'm still holding on the Serenade and the Rag. The Serenade is going pretty well, but I'm still struggling with that Rag. I'm also working on the Fur Elise in the Aaron book-my teacher likes to use multiple method books. It means that I get to skip some stuff in each one, which is kind of nice. I skipped Special Day in Alfred, but I will be doing the Prelude after I get the other two in better shape. [/b]
Since we are all struggling with the Rag, I'm not feeling too bad now... \:D

Did you know the full version of Fur Elise is in the back of book 3? And skipping "Special Day" is no big deal. \:D

JF, I uploaded an early take of Modern Sounds, but need to update it. I play it much better now.

I hope to record some book 3 stuff soon as well... [/b]
I saw that! I'm looking forward to getting to it because then I can add the rest of it to the part I already know!

I have to decide if I'm going to pony up for a Zoom or something to record my playing. I was considering getting a digital keyboard to plug into my Mac, but I don't know if that will be as effective as just getting the recorder. [/b]
Unless you have a need for a digital, the recorder should be cheaper.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/22/08 09:03 PM

OK, you have all made me feel a little guilty so I hacked my way through Classy Rag a few times, but I am still not motivated enough to work at it. Please don't drum me out of the Book 3 club.

JF, I think your suggestion that we record some of our pieces is a good one. Here we all are breezing through Book 3 and you're probably thinking we'll all full of hot air. It's worth getting us calibrated. I once threatened to record Danny Boy, and I will after my piano is tuned next week. It hasn't been tuned in almost a year as I've been messing around filling my room with acoustic panels to try to quiet it down. They do work marvels, but now the mis-tuning is killing me.

Did no one take the option of going to the Prelude in C Major? If not, why not? I'm going to spend some time on this one because I like the chords although I haven't figured them all out yet.

I've slowed down a bit on Prelude in D as I don't have a good feeling for all the finger positions, and I refuse to look at the keyboard.

Fits, definitely get a Zoom. I have the H2 and I love it. I get my teacher to play the Book 3 pieces for me which is a huge help in getting the musicality of the pieces.
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/22/08 09:59 PM

I agree about the "breezing thru" comment. I never wanted or expected anyone to take my posts as meaning I am running thru book 3 at a fantastic pace. I am not. I have dropped many of the pieces before polishing them to "performance" quality. But I do think I have learned something from all of them. There are many that, even if I could record, I would not, because they just simply would not be worth listening to.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/22/08 10:08 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:


Did no one take the option of going to the Prelude in C Major? If not, why not? I'm going to spend some time on this one because I like the chords although I haven't figured them all out yet.

[/b]
I have played through it. But I've worked on it years ago when my son was taking lessons. It's a very nice piece, I'm also very closes to getting prelude in D completed. I really want to record that one.

Don't feel bad about the Classy Rag. I may never get it to speed either... \:D
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/22/08 10:12 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
I agree about the "breezing thru" comment. I never wanted or expected anyone to take my posts as meaning I am running thru book 3 at a fantastic pace. I am not. I have dropped many of the pieces before polishing them to "performance" quality. But I do think I have learned something from all of them. There are many that, even if I could record, I would not, because they just simply would not be worth listening to. [/b]
Count me as there too. In fact I recently told my teacher we need to stop at Steal Away because I'm falling behind and need time to get some pieces cleaned up. And there are a few I might just play though and never polish.

Hech, I'm still working on Canon and a few other book 2 pieces... \:D
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/23/08 07:13 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:

JF, I think your suggestion that we record some of our pieces is a good one.

I once threatened to record Danny Boy, and I will after my piano is tuned next week.
[/b]
Threatened? \:D Something tells me that it will be more like a "treat" than a "threat"! \:\)

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/23/08 06:01 PM

I must confess, I am still working on the last page of Canon. That 4th finger of mine was killing my timing until I realized I had to lift my hands. What a difference!

The "breezing" comment was a little flip and I apologize if I gave the wrong impression. On thinking about it, I realized that I'm on page 36 because I already knew the theory from my lead-sheet days and I've skipped 2-3 pieces. But I'm slowing down now because of new fingering configurations.

Mark, do you remember the speed at which you played the Prelude in C Major?

Ah, JF, you are a real optimist. You might live to regret your suggestion.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/23/08 11:25 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
Mark, do you remember the speed at which you played the Prelude in C Major?

[/b]
My sons digital had it programed into it and It sounded like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KHycdHbz6w&feature=related

I never did get it to speed back then...

I sounded more like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdSlu06gDy8&feature=related

Hope this helps...

Mark...
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/25/08 10:08 PM

Mark, thanks for the recordings. My speed is more like the second example, except that I still make a lot of mistakes. Your left hand seems to be a lot more confident than mine is. I'm still guessing at some of the positions.

Bob
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 05/25/08 11:17 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
Mark, thanks for the recordings. My speed is more like the second example, except that I still make a lot of mistakes. Your left hand seems to be a lot more confident than mine is. I'm still guessing at some of the positions.

Bob [/b]
Those recording weren't actually me. Just examples. I did play something like the second one a while ago. Looking forward to tackling it again. Also I see nothing wrong with the slower speed. I like it better in fact.

Mark...
Posted by: Fitswimmer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/05/08 09:57 AM

I can't believe how long I've been struggling over Classy Rag....

Of course, with 2 jobs and and online courses-I don't have the time I'd like to have to practice, but still!

I keep telling myself that it will be really cool when I finally get it because I'm working so hard on it.
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/05/08 10:38 AM

Fitswimmer, I feel the same way about the Unfinished Symphony piece! It still sounds so measured and mechanical, but if I don't count very, very precisely and slowly, I get lost immediately! My teacher says the first page is "getting better," but I'm not entirely convinced!
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/08/08 09:27 PM

IrishMak, I'm just starting The Unfinished Symphony. Thanks for the tip to count it out carefully.

I've finished my lessons for this year but hope to keep going in Book 3, but I probably won't get very far without my teacher.

Sometime ago John Frank asked us for some recordings and I've been trying to do Danny Boy, but I'm suffering the Red Dot fever. It's the first time I've tried to record my playing and it was a very good lesson because I realized that I was making mistakes but just sloughed them off. I'm going beyond cyberspace for awhile, but I hope to get at least one recording done before I'm gone.
Posted by: Fitswimmer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/09/08 08:01 PM

I have conquered you, Classy Rag!! You did not beat me-although you tried. I have mastered your tricky passages and repeats!

After this pause for rejoicing...I get to start polishing the dynamics, but boy it feels good right now.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/09/08 09:31 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Fitswimmer:
I have conquered you, Classy Rag!! You did not beat me-although you tried. I have mastered your tricky passages and repeats!

After this pause for rejoicing...I get to start polishing the dynamics, but boy it feels good right now. [/b]
Congrats...its a tough one. I hit it everyday waiting for it to come to speed...
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/24/08 09:03 PM

An American Hymn...just a great book 3 piece...
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/25/08 10:14 AM

You're getting ahead of me again! LOL

I'm still trying to straighten out the last couple lines of Come Back to Sorrento in Alfred's. And working a couple pieces in the Romantic Impressions first book, and one in a Jazz, Rags and Blues book. I will never, never be a blues player, I am afraid! \:D
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/25/08 11:00 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
You're getting ahead of me again! LOL

I'm still trying to straighten out the last couple lines of Come Back to Sorrento in Alfred's. And working a couple pieces in the Romantic Impressions first book, and one in a Jazz, Rags and Blues book. I will never, never be a blues player, I am afraid! \:D [/b]
It's not that I perfected the previous pieces. But when I get a piece close, we move to the next piece while I still clean up the older stuff. \:D Eventually the older stuff gets finished...

But I think you will just love "An American Hymn"...
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/25/08 11:01 AM

double post...sorry
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/25/08 05:11 PM

Hi everyone! I have just started in this forum and have just started Alfred's Adult book #3 and I am just loving it! There are easy pieces that are a bit rhythmic and Iam still learning to play music at a faster tempo when needed. My question to you is this: When finished with the Book 3- would it be easier" to go with classical or pop or is it at the musician/instructor's discretion? Thank you
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/25/08 05:18 PM

Hi everyone! I have just started in this forum and have just started Alfred's Adult book #3 and I am just loving it! There are easy pieces that are a bit rhythmic and Iam still learning to play music at a faster tempo when needed. My question to you is this: When finished with the Book 3- would it be easier" to go with classical or pop or is it at the musician/instructor's discretion? Thank you
Posted by: funburger

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/25/08 05:45 PM

piano4, well my teacher started me on the john thompsons grade 3. i just started it so i cant give much information on it. seems challenging enough though:) i am still working on the chopin piece and the moonlight sonata at the end of alfreds 3 though. maybe i will get some practice in so i can pass them soon:) i am guessing when you are done with alfreds 3 you should ask your teacher what happens then?? find out what you want to do etc. and see which way you want to go.
Posted by: 80z_Chick

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/25/08 10:36 PM

I started this book a while ago..... I'm only on Calypso Rhumba though. I will actually be giving up this book for a while to work on my Royal Conservatory grade 4. I'm doing the exam this summer. I've just returned to lessons after having my second child.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/26/08 09:31 AM

John Thompson reminds me of the Helen Curtis series. It's not like the modern methods with chords and simple arrangements. These courses are more difficult and move quite a bit faster.

Welcome to the challenge Funburger. It's a whole new ball game. \:D
Posted by: DragonPianoPlayer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/26/08 10:22 PM

Hi funburger,

I used JT as a kid, went through 1 & most of 2. I had three and picked up the first piece for the fun of it. (must have had just as weird a sense of fun then as I do now.)

Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen - WITH CROSS HAND PLAYING!

I loved that arrangement! I thought it was so much fun and I was doing it on my own. The other pieces I remember playing for myself was I'd Like to Teach the World To Sing and I had a couple of books of classical pieces by some composers I don't remember any more and I loved to play the first pieces in that set.

I didn't really practice for my lessons. I didn't really enjoy my teacher, but if I could have harnessed what I found in those few pieces - that might have made such a difference.

Unfortunately, I quit piano lessons to go to a private high school and the homework load was so heavy that I never picked it back up.

I'm looking through Book 3, and I've been playing a fair number of the pieces in there already - Bach Mussette, Schumann Melody, Clementi Sonatina 36.1 (first movement), and I just finished Bach's Prelude in C (from the little preludes).

The motto on the cover of JT's books is "Something New Every Lesson." It should be 20 things new every lesson!

Ask your teacher about the Robert D Vandall Complete Preludes. That would be a perfect set of pieces in every key for the level of JT 3.

Rich
Posted by: Fitswimmer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/27/08 08:46 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by funburger:
piano4, well my teacher started me on the john thompsons grade 3. i just started it so i cant give much information on it. seems challenging enough though:) i am still working on the chopin piece and the moonlight sonata at the end of alfreds 3 though. maybe i will get some practice in so i can pass them soon:) i am guessing when you are done with alfreds 3 you should ask your teacher what happens then?? find out what you want to do etc. and see which way you want to go. [/b]
I've been working in 3 different series-Aaron 3, JT3 and Alfred 3. Out of the 3 of them, I would say that JT3 is the most challenging. I do love some of the pieces though-particularly Dona Nobis Pacem.
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/28/08 04:32 PM

Well, I'm feeling "Super Special" \:\) this week as I finally started book 3. Like others, I'm still finishing up on Canon from book 2. I was wondering how your teachers are using the "just for fun" section...are you just going through the book consecutively or do you jump around from the "regular" pieces to the "fun" and some of the more difficult pieces in the back of the book? My teacher has never had an adult make it to book 3 (patting myself on back)and she hasn't really looked through the book, just opened it and started me on the first song, so I am curious about other teachers' methods...

Char
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/28/08 09:23 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by mamawatchman:
Well, I'm feeling "Super Special" \:\) this week as I finally started book 3. Like others, I'm still finishing up on Canon from book 2. I was wondering how your teachers are using the "just for fun" section...are you just going through the book consecutively or do you jump around from the "regular" pieces to the "fun" and some of the more difficult pieces in the back of the book? My teacher has never had an adult make it to book 3 (patting myself on back)and she hasn't really looked through the book, just opened it and started me on the first song, so I am curious about other teachers' methods...

Char [/b]
I've glanced at the "Just for Fun" section, but have too busy with the regular stuff. My guess is when we reach the just for fun area. We will just go right through it to the "Ambisious (sp) section"

PS: You will really like many of the pieces in book 3. There are a few "dogs" but for the most part very enjoyable...

And congrats making it to book 3... \:\)
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 06/29/08 10:29 AM

We've been playing the Just For Fun pieces as they show up in the book, but not skipping to the Ambitious stuff yet. Holding on to that till we get thru the book, then she will let me pick what I want, or move on to something else. I know she's got Clementi sonatinas hiding up her sleeve somewhere! \:D
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/01/08 06:46 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
We've been playing the Just For Fun pieces as they show up in the book, but not skipping to the Ambitious stuff yet. Holding on to that till we get thru the book, then she will let me pick what I want, or move on to something else. I know she's got Clementi sonatinas hiding up her sleeve somewhere! \:D [/b]
I've already been working on OP 36 No. 1 for what seems like ages. I have to admit, I sort of feel like I'm close to getting it down (how's that for being vague?), but of course it always falls apart when I try to play it for her. You'd think that after over two years with her I would lose the jitters whenever I play! \:\)

Char
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/12/08 08:38 PM

Thank You, Funburger for your insight. I have a ways to go, particularly with this Alfred book#3. The Serenade is a bit tricky, but I'll learn it ;\)

And to reply to the others within this group, my instructor looked at the book but we haven't chosen any thing in particular. She told me that we weren't going to do all of the pieces but i know we will be doing some of the "ambitious" ones!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/14/08 08:56 PM

OK guys - I'm on the next to last piece in Book 2 - so, what are the best pieces to look forward to in 3?

Regards, JF
Posted by: Sherly

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/17/08 03:08 PM

I personally like the Scheherazade and Prelude in C Major from Ambitious section.

Currently working on The Unfinished Symphony which is a tricky one. :s
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/17/08 06:20 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
OK guys - I'm on the next to last piece in Book 2 - so, what are the best pieces to look forward to in 3?

Regards, JF [/b]
I like so far:

Fandago
Prelude in D
Swan Lake
Scheherazade
Spooky story
Steal Away
Come back to Sorrento
An American Hymn...outstanding btw
Adagio in A Major...also outstanding
Blue Rondo
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/17/08 06:21 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Sherly:
I personally like the Scheherazade and Prelude in C Major from Ambitious section.

Currently working on The Unfinished Symphony which is a tricky one. :s [/b]
Yes, very tricky...
Posted by: Fitswimmer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/18/08 07:57 AM

I got through Swan Lake..not bad. I enjoyed that.
Had trouble with the Prelude though....
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/20/08 05:14 PM

I'm just beginning into book 3 and have gotten through the first piece and am now working on Serenade from String Quartet,m Op3, No5. I'll be on this for another week! There's some good works in this book!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/25/08 09:54 PM

Mark - what's so outstanding about "An American Hymn" - melody? Chordal accompaniment? Total arrangement? Can you be a little more detailed or specific? I've been playing alot of hymns over the last couple of years as a supplement to Book 2, and was just curious. Thanks & regards, JF
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/26/08 08:01 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Mark - what's so outstanding about "An American Hymn" - melody? Chordal accompaniment? Total arrangement? Can you be a little more detailed or specific? I've been playing alot of hymns over the last couple of years as a supplement to Book 2, and was just curious. Thanks & regards, JF [/b]
I guess I have to say the way it sounds. It just has a mellow moving feel to it that I just love. It also just flows well from your hands when you play it. Same as the piece after it (Adagio in A Major) thats in the same key and somewhat similar in design...

PS: I played these pieces on a Yamaha S recently and I was just floored by how they sounded...
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/28/08 12:41 PM

Mark - thanks for the details - I may try the hymn out ahead of schedule.

Regards, JF
Posted by: mamawatchman

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/28/08 08:29 PM

Just popping in to say I started Fandango this week and am really enjoying it. Sounds like there are a lot of good pieces in this book!

Char
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/30/08 03:40 PM

i'm still on Serenade and will probably get to the end this week1 Hopefully! There are some good pieces in this book! Good challenges ahead!
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/30/08 11:59 PM

Here is a short book 3 piece called Shenandoah

Shenandoah

Its nice when they throw you an easy one... \:D
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 07/31/08 09:43 AM

Nice, Mark! I've always loved Shenandoah. So pretty.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/01/08 10:31 PM

Mark - thought you might like to hear the original sung by one of the best ever:

Jo Stafford sings "Shenandoah"

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/01/08 10:32 PM

duplicate post
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/01/08 10:40 PM

Thanks John!
Posted by: snowyday

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/05/08 02:18 AM

Hello all. I am so happy to have found this forum! Here's a little about my piano history: I took lessons for a time as a child, but never made any significant progress due to lack of motivation and unwillingness to practice. I don't recall a single piece I actually played, but do remember time spent on scales and arpeggios. My teacher was adamant about not hearing nails click on the piano keys and kept scissors close by with which she would trim my nails painfully short. Needless to say, this dampened my enthusiasm. Anyway, I have now been taking lessons for what will be two years this October. I started in the Adult Piano Adventures series by Faber and really liked it. Unfortunately, there was no book three so my teacher swithced me to Alfred. I have also done a few additional pieces. This week I am finishing up on Souvenirs d'Enfance best known as performed by Richard Clayderman. I am starting the scales section in Hanon and am on An American Hymn in Alfred. I have jumped around some and not done every piece in order. I look forward to sharing my progress and keeping up with yours in this forum!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/05/08 04:57 AM

Welcome snowyday! Glad you joined us here andkeep us updated on your progress.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/05/08 09:18 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by snowyday:
Hello all. I started in the Adult Piano Adventures series by Faber and really liked it. Unfortunately, there was no book three so my teacher swithced me to Alfred. I have also done a few additional pieces. This week I am finishing up on Souvenirs d'Enfance best known as performed by Richard Clayderman. I am starting the scales section in Hanon and am on An American Hymn in Alfred. I have jumped around some and not done every piece in order. I look forward to sharing my progress and keeping up with yours in this forum! [/b]
welcome, American hymn is one of my favorites in Alfred three...
Posted by: Kurisu SARU

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/05/08 05:26 PM

Woops, wrong book # for the thread...
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/08/08 06:14 PM

Welcome,Snowyday! I am so happy that you got back into enjoying playing the piano! I remember getting yelled at (once) and vowed I wouldn't touch a keyboard ever. But your experiences were really bad too!
I am just finishing up Serenade from String Quartet, so I have a ways to go in Alfred 3.
Take care!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/21/08 08:49 PM

Where are all the Book 3 people - still away on summer vacation?

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/21/08 08:52 PM

Here's one! i've just been away from the computer since I am on one at work for 8-10 hours. Still working on Serenade and sight reading the next one, which i don't have in front of me right now!
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/21/08 10:23 PM

I'm here but since we started painting the kitchen on Saturday, I can't GET TO THE PIANO! All the "stuff" from the kitchen is in that room!!!! LOL
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/22/08 07:46 AM

piano4 & Mak - good to know you're still here - just got done with a major remodeling project at my house so I'm well aware of how one's practice schedule can be interrupted - had to move my piano from the downstairs "fireplace room" to my upstairs den - it's a digital and, of course, there's no difference in sound when using the headphones, but a big difference when using the built-in speakers - about to finish up Book 2 (currently working on the Canon in D melodic variations) and should be starting Book 3 soon (after some brief review of select Book 2 pieces) - loking forward to joining y'all here!

Regards, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/22/08 03:32 PM

We are hoping to get it done this weekend. Actually, we have to- company coming next weekend! And it appears we are also going to be "babysitting" Daughter #1's Bearded Dragon while they go away for a few days. And his tank has to go in the room with all the "stuff" in it!
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/22/08 10:12 PM

Wow! there's a lot of busyiness' keeping us away from the piano. I should be on mine for a least 15 minutes ( which is very, very low for me) but it's after 10PM and even though I'm a bit tired, that always perks me up! Besides that, i've got guests coming on Sunday, so I have to practice!!!

To both IrishMak and JohnFrank, I love your quotations! Especially the lemon one. I could use a few to throw today!!!!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/23/08 03:23 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
And it appears we are also going to be "babysitting" Daughter #1's Bearded Dragon while they go away for a few days. And his tank has to go in the room with all the "stuff" in it! [/b]
Bearded Dragon? Tank? Can we safely assume that a Bearded Dragon is some sort of exotic tropical fish?

Regards, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/23/08 10:20 AM

A "beardie" is actually a lizard. Think desert, horned toad type rather than tropical, igauna type. Like this:



I'm actually the one who has the fish tanks. 4, now- ok one has no fish in it at the moment, just plants. Nothing really exotic, tho. And the rack with the 55, 20 and 10 gallon tanks is going to have to move so we can do the floor. That's going to be a project.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/23/08 04:01 PM

Cute - but can he fetch a frisbee? \:D

Regards, JF
Posted by: Fitswimmer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/23/08 08:30 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Where are all the Book 3 people - still away on summer vacation?

Regards, JF [/b]
Moving to Florida in 3 weeks, all the piano books are packed....
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/23/08 10:02 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Cute - but can he fetch a frisbee? \:D

Regards, JF [/b]
Don't know if he can, but pretty sure he wouldn't. Mitch is the most nasty-tempered beast I know! LOL
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/24/08 06:27 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Cute - but can he fetch a frisbee? \:D

Regards, JF [/b]
Don't know if he can, but pretty sure he wouldn't. Mitch is the most nasty-tempered beast I know! LOL [/b]
Does that include your spouse? ;\)

Regards, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/24/08 12:09 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Cute - but can he fetch a frisbee? \:D

Regards, JF [/b]
Don't know if he can, but pretty sure he wouldn't. Mitch is the most nasty-tempered beast I know! LOL [/b]
Does that include your spouse? ;\)

Regards, JF [/b]
Definitely! The BaldMan is the most easygoing person I know. He just LOOKS scary! LOL
Posted by: snowyday

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/25/08 04:23 AM

Thank you for welcoming me. I have completed American Hymn and hope to finish Adagio in A Major at this week's lesson. I enjoyed working on the Clayderman piece Souvenirs d'Enfance. If interested, I can give you info re: obtaining the sheet music.

I read the comment by Mamawatchman on page 6 with amusement since I suffer from the same anxieties. Even though I am always well-practiced, I still fall apart at lessons. I think part of the problem is that I have difficulty transitioning from my digital piano at home to a grand piano.

Anyway, here are a few general questions for all--How long are your lessons? How much time do you spend practicing each day? How much memorization do you do?

Hope everyone had a great weekend.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/25/08 05:10 AM

snowyday - glad to hear you're moving so well thru Book 3 - keep up the good work!

I don't have "lessons" (except what I give myself since I self-teach) - I usually practice in 2 or 3 separate sessions each day (each session devoted to different music sources) totalling roughly 3-4 hours - I memorize every piece I study (the Canon in D at the end of Book 2 being the longest I've attempted to memorize so far).

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/27/08 11:24 AM

Hi snowyday! My lessons are 30-45 minutes each week, except forthepast two( my instructor was recouperating from surgery). I try to practice for two to three hours each day, a bit at work and the majority at home. And the most difficult piece I have tried to memorize has been ( like John Frank), Canon in D at the end of book 2. I find that if I don't go back to a particular piece, that I have to relearn it!
I am also trying to memorize "Serenade in book 3 because I am planning on playing these two pieces for a group in November. take care, Karen
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/27/08 02:20 PM

My lessons are 30 minutes each week. I do my best to get in about 2 hours practice a day, some days less if things get in the way, as they are wont to do. I really don't try to actively memorize things now. I find that, after a while, I have most of the pieces I play regularly "memorized" to the point that the music is just a reference. I'm not really reading note for note anymore, but I still need it there.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/27/08 02:48 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
I find that, after a while, I have most of the pieces I play regularly "memorized" to the point that the music is just a reference. I'm not really reading note for note anymore, but I still need it there. [/b]
Funny you mention this. I'm the same way. It's like a cross between memory playing and sight reading but can't do either by themselves.
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/28/08 03:52 AM

I don't try to memorize any more. I have one piece that I can play from memory. Make that: one piece that I must play from memory. When I did memorize it (and it was not a conscious decision to do so), it was purely muscle memory. I have no idea what notes I am playing, and if I try to think about it, I can't play the piece at all. If I pull out the music, that just completely messes me up, because I now have to stop and read the notes again. It's hard to explain. So I don't even try to memorize now, because I don't want to lose the small bit of reading ability I have acquired.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/28/08 03:57 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
I don't try to memorize any more. I have one piece that I can play from memory. Make that: one piece that I must play from memory. When I did memorize it (and it was not a conscious decision to do so), it was purely muscle memory. I have no idea what notes I am playing, and if I try to think about it, I can't play the piece at all. If I pull out the music, that just completely messes me up, because I now have to stop and read the notes again. It's hard to explain. So I don't even try to memorize now, because I don't want to lose the small bit of reading ability I have acquired. [/b]
On pieces you play often with the sheet music, do you read individual notes or use it as a guide in general? That seems to be the way I do it. Not sure if this is proper or not.
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/28/08 04:28 AM

The All in one Adult book 2 has this little Irish one that is so easy to memorize. It's called the magic piper. I inadvertently memorized it almost immediately and it's a really neat tune.

I'm going to play it every other day to keep it as part of my repertoire. As a matter of fact someone has it recorded on youtube. take a listen it's so nice and very easy to memorize.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJFgV5Ie6Sg

I used to not be able to memorize until my teacher had me memorize a little waltz in order to have something memorized if someone asked me to play.

It's become easier and easier by doing small parts at one time while learning to play it. If you play it alot and start to look away from the sheet music on the easy sections, pretty soon you'll learn the next section and so on and so forth.
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/28/08 10:09 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
On pieces you play often with the sheet music, do you read individual notes or use it as a guide in general? That seems to be the way I do it. Not sure if this is proper or not. [/b]
I prettu much just use the music as a guide. At least, I am not consciously thinking "C-E-G" or whatever. I just look at it and "know" what to play. Which is, I guess, a kind of memorization.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/29/08 02:48 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:


I used to not be able to memorize until my teacher had me memorize a little waltz in order to have something memorized if someone asked me to play.

It's become easier and easier by doing small parts at one time while learning to play it. If you play it alot and start to look away from the sheet music on the easy sections, pretty soon you'll learn the next section and so on and so forth. [/b]
Yes, that's the key - constant repetition - if you practice a piece long enough and hard enough (especially by dividing it up into sections) sooner or later you have it mostly or totally memorized, That's how it happens with me anyway.

Regards, JF

OG - I commented in your recently initiated thread about improvement.
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/29/08 07:54 PM

There are a lot of good points here. I am getting away (somewhat) from looking at the notes, trying to figure out what the individual notes are and am trying to read them as one.
I am also finding out that what JF has said, constant repetition" That is so true!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 08/31/08 03:09 PM

piano4 - yes, it's constant repetition - yes, it's constant repitition - yes, its constant repitition - yes, . . . \:D

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/03/08 09:12 PM

LOL! Thank you, Thank you, THANK YOU :-)
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/11/08 09:21 PM

I finished the Serenade from String Quartet! Now I'm moving on to "A Special Day" which is rather pretty! I may add this on to play for the senior group in November.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/12/08 05:36 PM

piano4 - Thanks for updating us on your progress - keep up the good, steady work - hope to hear you soon in one of the Recitals or Monthly Piano Bars.

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/12/08 09:07 PM

Thank You JF. That means a lot! I would very much like to do one of the recitals or piano bar. I have to buy a web cam for starters!
Take care
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/27/08 10:31 PM

Okay, I knew singing the "Star Spangled Banner was difficult enough! But playing it?? Oh my!
Especially the tremelo! When did that originate?

And what is the best way to play that?

Thank you in advance for the advice!
Oh by the way, I figure if you're playing an instrument, you're a musician:-)
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/30/08 02:51 PM

I thought I'd share my new baby with you guys. I have a separate thread on the piano forum otherwise:

New Baby
Posted by: funburger

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/30/08 03:02 PM

Mark, where is the original thread for your piano?? I think its simply beautiful. I love the way its setup in your home. When do we get a recording of it now?? congratulations on a wonderful purchase!!
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/30/08 03:09 PM

Thanks Funburger, it's right here:

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/1/24007.html

I don't have a recording device. And wont be able to afford one for a while either... \:\)
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 09/30/08 08:15 PM

Oh Wow! Mark, it's beautiful!!! Congratulations on such a magnificant instrument!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/01/08 06:57 AM

Excellent instrument Mark - but where are you in all the photos?

Regards, JF
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/01/08 07:26 AM

OMG I missed that thread. I am soooo happy for you Mark, I know you've been waiting for this for a while now.

It is absolutely gorgeous. I can't wait to hear something played on it. Anything even if it's chopsticks. \:D
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/01/08 10:52 AM

Nice piano, Mark! I'm sure you will thoroughly enjoy playing it!

On the lesson side of things, we are skipping "Laredo" in the Alfred's 3 book. I tried, and can't get a thing to even like about it, nevermind to sound like any sort of music. My teacher played a few measures and said that she has never really liked it, either, so let's just take a pass on this one. No sense in playing something I don't like at all. But "Shenandoah" is beautiful and the "Jazz Ostinato" piece is going to be fun, I think, once I get that left hand part down cold.

Other than that, "Jingle Bells" is starting to pick up speed a bit, and we figured out a new left hand for "Joy to the World." The book I am using ( Jazz, Rags and Blues Christmas )has this left hand part in one section that honestly sounds like it should be in a cowboy song, not JTTW. Even my husband thinks so. And I just could not get it to sound right to my ears, so we figured out a "better" way to do it. I will have to practice some to get it down, but I think it's going to go much better now.

And I started learning "Angel" by Sarah McLachlin.

And I will be out of town for 6 days, starting next Wednesday, so I have no idea when I am going to get all this stuff practiced! LOL
Posted by: snowyday

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/03/08 12:31 AM

Congratulations on your new piano, Mark! It is gorgeous! I must admit I am jealous.

I have been moving around quite a bit in the book. Since my last post I completed Shenandoah and Laredo. Right now I am working on Moonlight Sonata and King Williams's March. Moonlight Sonata is VERY challenging! Has anybody here attempted it? I am struggling, but determined to stick with it.
Posted by: johnnymb

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/04/08 11:28 PM

After reading through a few pages of this thread it doesn't appear that I have the same Alfred's level 3 book that you all are working from. I will be beginning in a few weeks Level 3 of Alfred's basic piano library. First song is called Goodbye Old Paint. Is anyone using this book? This is what my teacher gave me. Actually my first two books were Alfreds Chord Approach from the basic piano library series.
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/05/08 05:16 PM

I've found out that there are quite a few of the Alfred's series. On the back cover of your book, should list (it looks like a flowchart), the different series. Some include recital,theory, " all in one". The one I have is Level three Adult and it has some challenging and good ones.
Hope this helps!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/13/08 05:59 AM

keycrazy - here is the series of Alfred books many people here in the forums use:

Alfred's Adult All-In-One Course, Levels 1,2 & 3

Regards, JF

P.S. like your avatar, but I had it first! :p
Posted by: johnnymb

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/14/08 01:41 PM

Hey John Frank - WRONG, mine, mine mine all mine!!!!! Nov 2007, you 2008. 670 posts since February, man when do you practice? Best wishes fellow Pennsylvanian!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/14/08 04:24 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by keycrazy:
Hey John Frank - WRONG, mine, mine mine all mine!!!!! Nov 2007, you 2008. [/b]
I stand corected - you beat me by time, but I've given it a better workout! And I'm not changing :p (who is that avatar anyway - John Wilkes Booth, Jesse James or someone else equally evil? \:D

 Quote:
670 posts since February, man when do you practice? Best wishes fellow Pennsylvanian! [/b]
I practice while I post ;\)

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/17/08 10:46 AM

I wanted to drop in and say 'hi'.

I just finished Book 2 and have started Book 3. I can't believe I've made it to this point.
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/17/08 11:09 AM

Way to go! I'm hanging in with this book..there are some real challenges!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/18/08 06:46 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Cyborg:

I just finished Book 2 and have started Book 3. I can't believe I've made it to this point. [/b]
I'll say "Welcome to Book 3" if you'll say the same to me in another week or two

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/19/08 08:22 PM

Good luck with your continuing progress! I couldn't believe it either when I got into book 3, now I'm wondering if there is a 4!! Just kidding! take care!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/21/08 01:15 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by piano4:
now I'm wondering if there is a 4!! Just kidding! take care! [/b]
Maybe there should be!

Still hoping to hear from you in a Recital or Piano Bar piano4

Regards, JF
Posted by: snowyday

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/21/08 11:19 PM

Is anybody else working on the first movement of Moonlight Sonata? I need someone to commiserate with! \:\(
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/22/08 10:44 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by snowyday:
Is anybody else working on the first movement of Moonlight Sonata? I need someone to commiserate with! \:\( [/b]
First movement? You mean there's more than one? ;\)

Sorry - I can commiserate with you - just not about the "Moonlight".

Regards, JF
Posted by: sbux

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/22/08 01:03 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by snowyday:
Is anybody else working on the first movement of Moonlight Sonata? I need someone to commiserate with! \:\( [/b]
Check this out:
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/32/7331.html
Posted by: snowyday

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/23/08 03:56 AM

JF, when you get into Book 3 you will see that Moonlight Sonata is on the last four pages in the "Ambitious" section. I have been slogging my why through it for about four weeks now.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/24/08 07:20 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by snowyday:
JF, when you get into Book 3 you will see that Moonlight Sonata is on the last four pages in the "Ambitious" section. I have been slogging my why through it for about four weeks now. [/b]
Yes, I've seen it there - will probably be 1 1/2 years (or more) before I get to it in my studies - but keep "slogging" (as you say) - you'll master it eventually - the slogging will turn to cruising thru it almost effortlessly (sounds good, huh?) - it's a piece that's worth the extra effort - keep after it!

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/24/08 10:07 AM

Well, I'm polishing up "Super Special Sorta Song" or whatever it's called for the upcoming two weeks, as I won't have my lesson next week. It was assigned to me last week but it's definitely not polished enough. Also, my teacher wanted to skip "Calypso Rhumba" so we went straight to "Fandango".

Of course I'm working on Hymns and Christmas pieces too not related to Book 3.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/24/08 10:38 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Cyborg:
I wanted to drop in and say 'hi'.

I just finished Book 2 and have started Book 3. I can't believe I've made it to this point. [/b]
Congrats...welcome!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/24/08 12:10 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Cyborg:

Of course I'm working on Hymns and Christmas pieces too not related to Book 3. [/b]
Cyborg - which Hymns & Christmas pieces are you working on?

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/24/08 12:33 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Cyborg - which Hymns & Christmas pieces are you working on?

Regards, JF [/b]
I just started working out of this Alfred's Hymn Book:

Alfred\'s Adult Sacred Book - Level 2

"Sweet Hour of Prayer"

I have an Alfred's Level 3 Christmas book from last year and stuggled with it. It was too advanced for me at the time. I'm using it again this year and having better success. I've been working on Christmas items since late August.

Off the top of my head, here are some of the pieces I've worked on from this book

Frosty the Snow Man
I'll be Home for Christmas
Silver Bells
and I think two other pices that I can't think of right now.

Have you started working on Book 3?
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/24/08 03:23 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Cyborg:
 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Cyborg - which Hymns & Christmas pieces are you working on?

Regards, JF [/b]
I just started working out of this Alfred's Hymn Book:

Alfred\'s Adult Sacred Book - Level 2

"Sweet Hour of Prayer"

Have you started working on Book 3? [/b]
The Sacred Book, Level 2 is the supplemental book I just finished with - I was using it all along as a companion to Alfred 2! (see one of my most recent posts in the Alfred 2 thread) - I've recorded 2 Hymns from it in recent Piano Bars. There is alot of great stuff in there - very nicely arranged hymns! There are also some nicely arranged Hymns in the Level 1 Sacred Book, which I also worked my way thru.

I will start work in Book 3 on Monday. I'm also working on some Christmas pieces myself - intermediate level pieces from a volume titled "The Big Book of Christmas Carols" - I may put 3 of them together into a medley and record it for the upcoming Recital (#12 on 11/15).

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/25/08 04:23 PM

HI all, JF, as soon as I put up my webcam and actually learn how to connect my laptop to my clavinova, I'll be doing recital. I did read how to connect, but my piano is five years old and I stlll haven't read all of the manual(s).
Anyhow, I am getting through the "Star-Spangled Banner" and my instructor has started me with just the first page of "Toccata in D Minor". I'm excited about this and I know I'll probably be pulling my hair out (but guess what, I still just LUV A CHALLENGE (smile). Wish luck me all:-)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/26/08 10:30 PM

Piano4 - which model Clavinova do you use? - mine is the CVP-301- I read the manual to mine, but it took awhile & I still don't understand fully some of the features - but it's a beautiful instrument with a surprising good sound I start Book 3 tomorrow (Monday, 10/27).

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/27/08 10:25 AM

Started Book 3 today - working on "A Super-Special Sorta Song!", which is not all that super-special. It's not too bad musically but the lyrics are right out of Sesame Street (not that there's anything wrong with that):

"Light and easy, play it bright and breezy.
And this super-special song will make you smile
like 'Mona Leezy'." \:\)

So bad it's good (in a goofy sort of way).

Not sure at this point whether - as I did for Books 1 & 2 - I will work on all the pieces in Book 3 (if only because they're in there & I'll be able to say I did), or whether I'll just concentrate on the more musically interesting and technically challenging pieces - we'll see.

Also continuing my review of select Book 2 pieces - currently bearing down again on "Waltz in G Minor" from near the end. Good piece - deserves to be played well.

Play on Book 3ers

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/27/08 05:21 PM

Hi JF, yes, that "super special song" is a bit dorky, but, not bad. My clavinova is CVP-700 and I have some how misplaced the blessed(!) extremely large manual!! But i do have the step-by-step picture diagram. It's in my living room and i"ll find it before the evening is over! ;\)

My instructor is looking at other pieces in book 3 and that's why she chose the Bach piece for me to learn. I have the first measure. It'll take me a bit! Thanks!
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/27/08 09:27 PM

JF,

Welcome to Book 3!

Super Special Sorta Song hasn't done much for me either. I guess that's why I didn't put in the effort the first week of working on it. So I have it until Thursday I hope. \:D

I think my teacher will have me skipping some of the pieces in the book. We have already skipped one piece.
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/28/08 07:04 AM

i found the manual! I know that Ican record on a regular 2.5 computer disc( that's how I record my practice) however, my computer only does CDs. I know there's a way!

yes, there are some good pieces in book 3. Have fun!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/28/08 05:56 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Cyborg:
JF,

Welcome to Book 3!

[/b]
Thanks - it's good to finally be here!

Regards, JF
Posted by: snowyday

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/29/08 01:34 AM

JF, congratulations on making it to Book 3! I am still working on Moonlight Sonata, but it is going better now. I have a working familiarity with all four pages, but LOTS of work left to do on the dynmamics.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/29/08 04:25 AM

snowyday - thanks for the congrats! And glad to hear you're making some progress on the "Moonlight" - I looked ahead and checked out the music and I'm impressed that you're doing well with this complex piece - can't imagine myself tackling this at this point - need to work my way thru Book 3 alot longer & farther - good luck - hope to hear your rendition in a Recital or Monthly Piano Bar someday soon.

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/29/08 10:02 PM

I've reconnected with cyberspace and couldn't wait to check in to see how the Alfred Level Threes were doing. Congratulations to Mark for his new piano. I particularly envy his nice high ceiling. My RX-3 is still giving me problems in my low-ceiling music room, regardless of the amount of acoustic treatment I give it. I'm thinking about going digital.

It's good to see that John Frank has joined the group, as his enthusiasm is definitely contagious.

During the summer I continued to work through the Alfred book, but must admit to progressing at a much slower pace as I find it takes me much longer to extract all of the information in each piece. It was also harder not having my teacher to guide me. At the moment I'm trying to make "Steal Away" more musical. I was concentrating so hard on counting the timing that it came out being very mechanical. Now my teacher wants me to loosen up and put some expression in it. I'm also trying to get the 1/16-note timing right on "Trumpet Tune". It seems that playing the piano is timing, timing, timing,...

With respect to an earlier post, I admit to skipping the "Just for Fun" pieces, as I'm more interested in spending my time on material that requires that I learn new things.

Anyway, JF, I saw your post and wanted to welcome you to the next level. I still play the Etude from Level 2 while having Jo Stafford's "No Other Love" in my head. That was a great tip you gave me.

Bob
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/29/08 10:28 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
I've reconnected with cyberspace and couldn't wait to check in to see how the Alfred Level Threes were doing. Congratulations to Mark for his new piano. I particularly envy his nice high ceiling. My RX-3 is still giving me problems in my low-ceiling music room, regardless of the amount of acoustic treatment I give it. I'm thinking about going digital.

It's good to see that John Frank has joined the group, as his enthusiasm is definitely contagious.

During the summer I continued to work through the Alfred book, but must admit to progressing at a much slower pace as I find it takes me much longer to extract all of the information in each piece. It was also harder not having my teacher to guide me. At the moment I'm trying to make "Steal Away" more musical. I was concentrating so hard on counting the timing that it came out being very mechanical. Now my teacher wants me to loosen up and put some expression in it. I'm also trying to get the 1/16-note timing right on "Trumpet Tune". It seems that playing the piano is timing, timing, timing,...

With respect to an earlier post, I admit to skipping the "Just for Fun" pieces, as I'm more interested in spending my time on material that requires that I learn new things.

Anyway, JF, I saw your post and wanted to welcome you to the next level. I still play the Etude from Level 2 while having Jo Stafford's "No Other Love" in my head. That was a great tip you gave me.

Bob [/b]
Good to hear from you Bob. I think book 3 could be a life's work. My teacher had me skip the "Just for Fun" pieces also. She didn't care for them. As for timing, its my biggest problem. I tend to play by feel more than counting. I'm doing a lot of side work to fix that problem.

I'm playing and cleaning up many of the book 3 pieces and working on a couple in the "Ambitious Section"

Thanks for the kind words on the piano.

Keep in touch, or I'll make JohnFrank come and get you... \:\)

Mark
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/30/08 08:22 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
I've reconnected with cyberspace and couldn't wait to check in to see how the Alfred Level Threes were doing. [/b]
Oldfingers! Welcome back! I was wondering about you from time to time. Good to hear from you again! \:\)

 Quote:
It's good to see that John Frank has joined the group, as his enthusiasm is definitely contagious.[/b]
Thanks - I catch it from myself every morning! ;\)

 Quote:
During the summer I continued to work through the Alfred book, but must admit to progressing at a much slower pace as I find it takes me much longer to extract all of the information in each piece.[/b]
The speed of your progress is not that awfully important - it's more about your control, assuance and confidence at the keyboard whatever piece you're working on at whatever level - it's far more important to take your time and get it right - constant review helps immensely!

 Quote:
Anyway, JF, I saw your post and wanted to welcome you to the next level. I still play the Etude from Level 2 while having Jo Stafford's "No Other Love" in my head. That was a great tip you gave me. Bob [/b]
Thanks again for the welcome Bob - it's great to be here (thought I would never get here!) - and thanks for reminding me of the "Etude" piece (aka "No Other Love") - beautiful piece of music, either way - just in case you're interested at all here's a thread of mine where I recorded my version (along with 2 other Book 2 pieces):

JF\'s thread with recording of "Etude, Op.10, No.3"

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/31/08 09:10 PM

This is going verrrry slowly~ for me! But i will preserve! I have almost gottento the end of the "Star Spangled Banner", the tremelos are a bit of pain :rolleyes: and the "Toccata in D Minor" will take me until next year

I do have a question? This is on the F#Major scale. Why does the fingering begin with 2 on the right hand and 4 on the left? I have asked my instructor and she didn't know. Just wondering Thank you! \:\)
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 10/31/08 10:03 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by piano4:
This is going verrrry slowly~ for me! But i will preserve! I have almost gottento the end of the "Star Spangled Banner", the tremelos are a bit of pain :rolleyes: and the "Toccata in D Minor" will take me until next year

I do have a question? This is on the F#Major scale. Why does the fingering begin with 2 on the right hand and 4 on the left? I have asked my instructor and she didn't know. Just wondering Thank you! \:\) [/b]
I'm also working on "Toccata in D Minor". Perfect for Halloween. \:D

Not sure about the fingering question. But I think its just because it works. The top of page 2 is really difficult. But I really like this one.

Here is Funburger playing is like a master:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_TwITj3kqM

Mark
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/01/08 12:19 PM

Mark, I should not have watched Funburger's demo. I know I will never be able to get my "old fingers" to move that quickly. I hope mastering that piece is not a requirement for completing Level 3. Actually, I can't say I liked the sound of the piece. I'd hate to have to work so hard on a piece that I did not like. Perhaps one acquires a taste for it with practice.
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/01/08 12:51 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by piano4:
I do have a question? This is on the F#Major scale. Why does the fingering begin with 2 on the right hand and 4 on the left? I have asked my instructor and she didn't know. Just wondering Thank you! \:\) [/b]
The scales that begin on "odd" fingers do so to avoid weird finger crosses when you are playing so many black keys. If you tried to play those scales as you would a C Major, for example, you'd end up trying to cross awkwardly in spots.
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/02/08 08:51 PM

Thank you IrishMak for your response! I just had to find out why and it does make sense!

And I am in FULL Agreement with you OldFingers!
I am wondering if my fingers will make it through the first page
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/02/08 08:52 PM

And also, Thank You Mark!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/05/08 07:18 AM

HI gang - just finished my study of the 1st Book 3 piece ("Super-Special Song") this morning - easy piece and fairly boring which I enlivened by re-arranging with different repeats and endings (but won't bore you with details) - also finished up review on "Waltz in G Minor" from Book 2, which is a real nice piece if executed properly.

Now, onto my next victims, er, a, pieces: "Calypso Rhumba" in Book 3 and a review of the "Theme from Symphony 6" in Book 2.

I'm also working on a version of Bach's famous "Minuet in G" and a Christmas Carols medley to be submitted to the upcoming "Holiday Music" thread on Dec. 1st - were you aware of this upcoming event?

Regards, JF

P.S. Mark - are you still interested in getting recorded versions of Book 3 pieces to upload to the OP just like for Book 2 - or have you heard enough out of me already?
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/05/08 09:28 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:


P.S. Mark - are you still interested in getting recorded versions of Book 3 pieces to upload to the OP just like for Book 2 - or have you heard enough out of me already? [/b]
Sure, if your willing to do them.
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/08/08 08:14 AM

Hi guys!

I posted a kind of general introduction elsewhere yesterday, but just wanted to let you know that I'll try to participate in this thread as much as I can. I'm slightly illegal, since I am just finishing the minor details on book 2's final 'canon in D'.

And since my piano teacher just disappeared for a 3 week Brazil hoiday (I am jealous!!) I will probably officially be starting in book 3 a few weeks from now. But to jump into the book 2 thread with just a quarter of apiece to go seemed a bit weird....

Ingrid (I'll read through the tread to get to know you all a bit better...)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/08/08 10:17 AM

IngridT [/b] - welcome to PW, the Forums and the Alfred 3 thread!

As you probably already read I just started Book 3 myself and so did Cyborg - Mark, piano4, Oldfingers, Irishmak, snowyday and a few others have been attacking and conquering the Book 3 pieces for awhile and are showing the way and offering encouragement and helpful guidance and support.

It's nice to have you with us - it sounds like you'll be an asset to our friendly, helpful group.

Regards, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/08/08 11:04 AM

Well, I don't know about the "guidance," but I'm in for the encouragement and support! Welcome, Ingrid. Book 3 has some challenges, but there are some pieces that are just amazing once you get 'em.

On my front, progress has been slow lately in Book 3. Still trying to get the Jazz Ostinato a bit speedier. First page is ok sometimes; 2nd page tends to be a train wreck. And the Soldier's Joy hornpipe is slowly coming together, mostly. And then I just have a ton of Christmas stuff I'm working on- a few jazzy and different arrangements of things, and a bunch of more traditional things. It's making fitting it all in for practice time tough.

Do any of the rest of you use the All-In-One book? And, if so, do you do the theory pages? Just curious.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/08/08 02:15 PM

Yes, IrishMak, I use the All-In-One book and I do review the theory pages. Fortunately I learned most of the theory when I was pursuing a Lead Sheet approach to the piano. In my opinion, the theory pages are very important, particularly in relation to understanding the Circle of 5ths, which I found to be the key to unlocking the secrets of the piano. I know I am probably cheating, but when I start a new piece I label all the chords, as would have been done on a lead sheet, and then the I,IV,V7,I chord progressions become apparent. With the Circle of 5ths, one then realizes, that the same structure is being followed wherever you are on the circle, so there is no structural difference from one key signature to another, and all of the keys on the keyboard make sense. When I was a young student, it all looked like a big mess to me as I was never aware of any overall structure.

On the other hand, my teacher tells me that most of his students don't care about understanding the theory and just want to play pieces, so the attraction to theory might be a matter of personal taste. As an engineer, I always wanted to understand the "why" of things.

Since you are a few pages ahead of me I wonder if you have any advice for learning "In the Hall of the Mountain King". I don't particularly like the piece, but I know it must be a good exercise in learning to read the bass clef for the right hand. For some reason, I am completely discombobulated as I can't seem to get a feeling for my fingers on the keys.

Bob
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/08/08 02:58 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:

Do any of the rest of you use the All-In-One book? And, if so, do you do the theory pages? Just curious. [/b]
Yes, I use the AIO series and yes, I do study all the theory pages, and have been doing so as I've worked my way thru the entire series - or I should say more precisely that I work my way thru the theory pages as a review since I've studied theory in some depth in other books over the last couple of years.

And like OldFingers I often write in the chord names as I study a piece just to keep the "harmonic context" in mind, and to put the theory into practice, so to speak \:\) I even use the theory to re-harmonize certain passages or whole sections when I don't like how the authors have done it.

Always good to hear from you guys - it's a long, lonely struggle otherwise \:\(

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/08/08 03:06 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:

Since you are a few pages ahead of me I wonder if you have any advice for learning "In the Hall of the Mountain King". I don't particularly like the piece, but I know it must be a good exercise in learning to read the bass clef for the right hand. For some reason, I am completely discombobulated as I can't seem to get a feeling for my fingers on the keys.

Bob [/b]
Irishmak - sounds to me like OldFingers is asking for some guidance [/b] from you - and you said above you didn't "know about it" - but I know you do and here's your big chance to offer some

Regards (and I'm watching because I often need some too :p ), JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/09/08 12:22 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
Yes, IrishMak, I use the All-In-One book and I do review the theory pages. Fortunately I learned most of the theory when I was pursuing a Lead Sheet approach to the piano. In my opinion, the theory pages are very important, particularly in relation to understanding the Circle of 5ths, which I found to be the key to unlocking the secrets of the piano. I know I am probably cheating, but when I start a new piece I label all the chords, as would have been done on a lead sheet, and then the I,IV,V7,I chord progressions become apparent. With the Circle of 5ths, one then realizes, that the same structure is being followed wherever you are on the circle, so there is no structural difference from one key signature to another, and all of the keys on the keyboard make sense. When I was a young student, it all looked like a big mess to me as I was never aware of any overall structure.

Since you are a few pages ahead of me I wonder if you have any advice for learning "In the Hall of the Mountain King". I don't particularly like the piece, but I know it must be a good exercise in learning to read the bass clef for the right hand. For some reason, I am completely discombobulated as I can't seem to get a feeling for my fingers on the keys.

Bob [/b]
Thanks, to you and John Frank! I wondered about the theory part, as no one ever seems to mention it. I also go thru the theory pages, and will sometimes have my teacher check them for me (if they aren't formally assigned. Some of them she just says to do when I get the chance.), since I get confused easily! LOL But I have found them valuable not only to understanding the how and why of the music itself, but it seems to help my sight reading as well. I recognize chords (and chord structures) far more easily now.

As for "Mountain King"- I had to go back and look at the piece and my lesson notes for it, but, really, what I did mostly was a lot of hands separate work on that one. I, too, find it a bit disconcerting to read the right hand in the bass clef. I know the notes, but it seems more difficult to do the mental translation to get my right hand below middle C. And slowly, slowly, as is so often the advice. I built the speed in very small increments. It does help with this one that the pattern stays largely the same, so the hands separate work helped ingrain that. After all that, it was repetiton, repetition, repetition.

It does help that I do like that piece. I do find it far more difficult to put real, productive work into something I just don't like!
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/10/08 11:44 AM

IrishMak, thanks for your analysis of "Mountain King". It helps to know that I was not alone in finding it difficult to play bass clef notes with the right hand. Your point about the pattern being largely the same was very helpful. At slow speed I'm starting to get the segments OK but my transitions from segment to segment needs work, but, I now feel progress is being made. In the meantime, I've moved on to the next two pieces, which I find to be much easier.

Bob
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/10/08 04:46 PM

Hey all,
So I'm getting my "wishlist" together and was looking on Amazon. I don't see a book #3 theory listed? Up till now I was using #1 Lesson + #1 Theory. Followed up with #2 Lesson + #2 Theory.

So what's best to order (use) for #3?

Thanks in advance
SC
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/10/08 07:12 PM

Alfred's Adult All-In-One [/b] , Level 3 - it has all the theory you could want or need interspersed with the pieces - get it and get with it - we want you here with us on our journey!

Regards, JF
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/10/08 08:32 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Alfred's Adult All-In-One [/b] , Level 3 - it has all the theory you could want or need interspersed with the pieces - get it and get with it - we want you here with us on our journey!

Regards, JF [/b]
:D Thanks JF,
I'll be sure to modify my listing so I get the all-in-one as oppose to the separate (since the other doesn't appear to exist).

Still gotta finish #2 first but the impending arrival of the new toy scheduled for Weds this week should help!!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/11/08 08:13 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by TTigg:
 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Alfred's Adult All-In-One [/b] , Level 3 - it has all the theory you could want or need interspersed with the pieces - get it and get with it - we want you here with us on our journey!

Regards, JF [/b]
:D Thanks JF,
I'll be sure to modify my listing so I get the all-in-one as oppose to the separate (since the other doesn't appear to exist).

Still gotta finish #2 first but the impending arrival of the new toy scheduled for Weds this week should help!! [/b]
How many pieces do you still have to work on in Book 2?
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/11/08 09:52 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
 Quote:
Originally posted by TTigg:
 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Alfred's Adult All-In-One [/b] , Level 3 - it has all the theory you could want or need interspersed with the pieces - get it and get with it - we want you here with us on our journey!

Regards, JF [/b]
:D Thanks JF,
I'll be sure to modify my listing so I get the all-in-one as oppose to the separate (since the other doesn't appear to exist).

Still gotta finish #2 first but the impending arrival of the new toy scheduled for Weds this week should help!! [/b]
How many pieces do you still have to work on in Book 2? [/b]
A few, I'm only 20pages in. I was just checking on what to add to my Xmas list - I'll be here by or just after Xmas..
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/12/08 10:07 AM

Bob-

I hope my notes help you with "Mountain King." There have been more pieces in this book that have given me trouble, I have to admit. But my teacher says not to be discouraged by that. She says the third book really does take a bigger leap up in difficulty than the others do. And that they tend to introduce multiple new things in one piece. Too much for my poor brain to handle some days! LOL
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/13/08 04:15 AM

Finishing up study of "Calypso Rhumba" (not a particularly hard or exciting piece) in Book 3 and review of the "Theme from Symphony No. 6 (nice melodic arrangement) from Book 2 today.

Moving on to "Fandango" in 3 (after theory review) and to "Fascination" review in 2.

Also, continuing work on Bach's Minuet in G (from the Anna Magdalena Notebooks) and a beautiful, but seldom heard, Christmas Carol called "See Amid The Winter's Snow" from a collection entitled "The Big Book of Christmas Carols" (really nice intermediate level arrangements).

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/13/08 10:51 PM

Hi Ingrid! Another welcome to the group!
I am still struggling through the "Star Spangled Banner with the tremelos, but it's coming. And guess what I finally did... Got to the first page of Toccata in D minor... just the first page mind you! ;\)
Still haven't had the chance to hook up my web cam to get on a youtube site yet... maybe I will get the chance over the holiday! Work and grad course intervenes! I found a copy of Sheet Music Magazine i think dated ( Ill have to check) any how that has some real nice Christmas arrangements. I'm attempting "Oh Holy Night". So maybe I'll have together

Take care everybody!
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/14/08 03:10 PM

"Fandango" is a cool piece that I enjoyed very much. YMMV

I've been assigned the next two pieces "Modern Sounds" and something to do with Alberti Bass. Sorry I don't have my book in front of me now. I'm working a couple of other Christmas pieces as well.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/14/08 04:25 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Cyborg:
"Fandango" is a cool piece that I enjoyed very much. YMMV

I've been assigned the next two pieces "Modern Sounds" and something to do with Alberti Bass. Sorry I don't have my book in front of me now. I'm working a couple of other Christmas pieces as well. [/b]
The Alberti base is critical for the piece right after it. (Serenade) I'm still working on cleaning this piece. It was a major hurdle for me. Especially in the hand independence area.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/14/08 09:24 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Cyborg:
"Fandango" is a cool piece that I enjoyed very much. YMMV

[/b]
Yes, I can already see where it will be a pretty cool piece - nice exotic latin sounds you can really grab ahold of and make dance!

YMMV?

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/20/08 08:24 AM

Finishing up work on Fandango - relatively easy, but good piece with a solid "Spanish" feel -

I hit upon an alternate ending for it - the Book's ending is good, but I think it can be enhanced slightly with a little extension.

What you can do is (after the D.C al Fine) play thru to the end as written - then repeat the last 3 measures [/b], and in the last 2 measures [/b] play both hands one octave lower [/b] than written (which means, in effect, the RH is played 8vb on the repeat and the LH is played where actually written, or "loco") - observe all rests as indicated.

Here is a demo - played 1st as written, then a brief silence, then played as enhanced or extended:

Fandango (alternate endings)

Hope you find this useful, JF
Posted by: BobH

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/22/08 05:42 AM

I have a question for you more advanced folks about how long you work on a learning piece before moving on. I listen to recorded pieces at the start of the Alfred's strings and rarely stay with one long enough to reach that level of polish. Should those recordings be viewed as the typical point to move on or are they a bit better because people liked them? I am currently on about page 50 in book 2 and want to make sure I am not hurting my learning by moving too fast.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/22/08 07:50 AM

BobH - "stay with" a piece until you are happy with it - although it's easy to say but hard to do, try not to compare your playing of a piece with how others play it. There will always be someone somewhere who can and will play a piece better than you and I.

Continue working on it until you can reasonably play it as written, that is, as the composer or arranger intended - this doesn't have to happen the first time you study a piece - work on it for awhile - maybe you'll like your results and maybe not - when you get tired of beating on it, move on to another piece for awhile, and then come back to it and work on it some more - maybe you'll get it to where you're happy with it this second time - if not, repeat the process.

You don't have to "master" a given piece at any given time - do the best you can and then move on - often when you come back to a piece after being away from it working on several other pieces and for several months you will do better on it just simply because of your increased skill level and the confidence that only developes over time with additional hard study on a number of pieces.

And don't struggle with the compulsion to play "error-free" - it just is not going to happen - try to minimize them or yes, eliminate them, but don't expect it or be too disappointed if you just can't achieve this - even the great concert pianists make mistakes all the time, but most of us don't recognize them simply because of the complexity of the music and the pianist's otherwise remarkable technical skills.

The "polish" or musicality of a piece is important, but right now concentrate on getting most of the notes right and the tempo corrrect and consistent. The rest will come with lots of time and dedicated practice.

Relax and enjoy what you can do at each level and stage of you progress.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Debbie57

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/22/08 08:32 AM

JF,

I just listened to your versions of Fandango. I really like the deeper base ending you added. I have my lesson today and I have to ask my teacher about the Alfred series, simply because I want to be able to learn along with all of you. Perhaps she can help know which level. I'm using Faber and Faber all-in-one book two. Actually, I just want to hear her opinion at large. It would be so nice to have other people to share with.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/22/08 09:43 AM

Debbie57 - thanks for your kind comments on the Fandango endings & glad you liked the alternate.

The Alfred series has a lot of really nice pieces from many genres of music - some people here in the Forums use it together with the Faber series, which I'm not familiar with but have heard some good things about (with their own threads here in the ABF as you probably already know).

How the Faber & Alfred series compare & contrast is somewhat interesting, I guess, but more important is the totality of enjoyable pieces and instructional value found in each separately or especially when combined together (I'll have to check out Faber at the local music store).

We'd love to have you join with us here in the Alfred thread and share your experiences - whether or not you actually start using one of the Alfred books . Even if you decide to stick strictly with Faber come here often & keep us updated on your progress. We want to hear how you're doing, and help and encourage you as much as we can, and certainly want and need the same thing in return!

Regards, JF
Posted by: Debbie57

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/22/08 09:59 AM

Thank you John!

The Faber thread is dead as far as I know. Please advise if I'm missing something. I'll get to look at the Alfred's books this morning. The Faber book is in sections and always one of pieces is a lead sheet. It's fun and it's difficult at the same time. However I am learning to roll cords deeper in the base to create richer sound. Thank you for welcoming me here, no matter which way I go.

Debbie
Posted by: Debbie57

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/22/08 12:48 PM

A follow up: I had my lesson today and had an opportunity to look at the Alfred all-in-one book 2, which is probably where I need to be since timing and rhythm are my biggest challenges. My teacher has taught out of both and is willing to teach me in any method book format I want. She did say she opts for Faber because she feels the lessons, the pieces and the lead sheet style opportunities are more contempory.

So, I'm going to do both. Not stop Faber to start Alfred's, try to work a little out of both books. I probably need to move myself to the Alfred's book two thread??? Probably I need to read all 25 pages to see what percentage of folks are using the all-in-one. I just want an opportunity to be on the same page with others to learn and hopefully someday be able to be of some help myself.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/22/08 01:56 PM

Debbie57 - thanks for the update - glad to hear your teacher is flexible - there are some really nice melodic pieces in Alfred 2 that you can enjoy a lot, and if you would like I could recommend a short list of my favorites - others here in this thread and some folks over in the 2 thread will also be more than happy to guide you to some good pieces (assuming you weren't going to work your way thru piece by piece).

The Alfred 1 thread seems to be the most active of the 3 Alfred threads, with this one (Level 3) being a distant 2nd and the Level 2 thread probably the least used (that could, of course, change at any time). If you started posting in 2 and didn't get much feedback over time then you could, of course, post about your Book 2 activity here in the 3 thread - most of the people here worked thru Book 2 and we'd be more than glad to talk to you about your experiences with the Book 2 pieces - some of us "float' back and forth anyway from time to time just to see what's going on and if someone has a question or problem.

FYI - many of the pieces in the 3 Alfred levels have been recorded by various people in the Opening Post (back on page 1) of each thread in case you wanted to hear them.

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/24/08 05:56 PM

Okay guys! I'm on board from tomorrow on!

My piano teacher has been on vacation for 3 weeks, but tomorrow I am going to blow her off her feet with my version of the Canon in D, (and Gnossienne nr 5 of Stie, that I've been working on for the last month or so, and YES!!!!I'm happy!!)

After that...it's off to book 3 (and the final Gnossienne 6 I guess, I want to do them all, I am in love with Satie) so I will finally be able to really join in this thread.

Looking forward to it!

Ingrid
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/24/08 06:29 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IngridT:
Okay guys! I'm on board from tomorrow on!

My piano teacher has been on vacation for 3 weeks, but tomorrow I am going to blow her off her feet with my version of the Canon in D, [/b]
Congrats, but in which bloody book is this Canon in D? I'm on the Alfred book #2 at the moment (the ones with separate theory and lesson) Then for book #3 I guess it's all-in-one only option. Still I don't see this Canon in D (unless it's in the supplements)

Thanks in advance
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/24/08 06:35 PM

TTig,

The canon in D (Pachelbel) is the past piece in my Alfred #2. There seem to be 2 versions of that book? I believe I've got the on that is NOT called the 'all in one' version. Maybe some of the other Alfredians can help me clarify??

Ingrid
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/24/08 06:36 PM

Ahum, The past piece? I mean the LAST piece.

My typing is getting sloppy. off to bed! (its after midnight here)

Ingrid
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/24/08 06:54 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IngridT:
Ahum, The past piece? I mean the LAST piece.

My typing is getting sloppy. off to bed! (its after midnight here)

Ingrid [/b]
wOoT it's in both (just checked the TOC)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/24/08 08:19 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IngridT:
Okay guys! I'm on board from tomorrow on!

After that...it's off to book 3 (and the final Gnossienne 6 I guess, I want to do them all, I am in love with Satie) so I will finally be able to really join in this thread.

Looking forward to it!

Ingrid [/b]
Ingrid - looking forward to your participation here - welcome aboard!

Keep us updated on your Book 3 progress - glad you're back with us - you too TTigg!

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/25/08 09:28 AM

Finishing up "Modern Sounds" in Book 3 - not too sure how "modern" the sounds of this piece really are, but there's not much there to get caught up in or excited about - moving on to "Jazz Sequences" next.

Also - finishing up review of "Loch Lomond" in Book 2 - really nice arrangement of this old "chestnut" - good left hand movements especially. Will review "Love's Greeting" next.

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/26/08 03:45 PM

Okay. I did it. Book 2 is done. Canon in D was OK'd by the teacher. Must say though that my youngest daughter won.

She's just turned 7, and (just like me) has been taking piano lessons for the last 1 1/2 year. She's improvising a lot, and she liked the canon in D so much that I heard her playing the melody line herself. Just for fun we put the whole thing in C (to avoid the black keys) and made a very cute version of it. Just like the original, starting simple and then getting more and more complicated. Me playing the left hand, while she played the right hand. We were having so much fun together, and with the teacher being on holiday for a few weeks, we ended up with at least 6 or 7 'sentences' (as she called it) and even a nice ending. Most of it she invented herself, based on what she heard me playing...

Well, like I said, I guess she beat me in impressing the teacher!

Anyway, for next week I'm working on the super-special-whatever song (which is not that special nor complicated, is my feeling after playing it once), and then there's the dreaded soft/loud/left/right/staccato/legato etude (see other thread), and on top of that Gnossienne nr 5 is also in the pocket, so I am starting on nr 6All by Satie). Which is very different and much more 'modern' then the first 5.

And then I am still neglecting my popsong book! (what you guys call fake books I guess)

Oh! And Happy thanksgiving to all in the US (it's a boring working day over here...)

Ingrid
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/27/08 03:18 AM

Ingrid - thanks for the update - your daughter sounds pretty talented - she'll be surpassing all of us soon enough (don't you just hate it when that happens ;\) ).

The Super Special Song (or Super Special Silly Song as I like to call it) isn't quite as bad as it first appears, especially if you modify how it's played somewhat - skip the 1st ending & repeat in the second section and go directly to the 2nd ending; play to the 1st double bar on the last line; then do a D.C. to the 1st section and when you get to the end of this add on the last 2 measures of the last line of the 2nd section. Got that? \:D I know - too complicated, but it does make it sound a little better, more like a "just for fun piece" - and play it upbeat & lively. Maybe I'll record it & post it here - then again - maybe not :p

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/28/08 03:52 AM

Hey John!

is it just you and me here, or is most of the US still busy celebrating thanksgiving?

I am really happy that lessons started again and that I have some new stuff to work on. The super-special song is coming along fine. I tried messing around a bit with the order like you suggested, and playing it in swing (do you use that term? I mean playing the 8th notes in the uneven long-short-long-short way) does help as well to make it sound a bit more lively!

Ingrid
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/28/08 09:13 AM

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Originally posted by IngridT:
Hey John!

is it just you and me here, or is most of the US still busy celebrating thanksgiving?

Ingrid [/b]
It sorta looks that way, doesn't it?

I don't know where everyone else is - maybe away on vacation or laying low for the Holiday or just simply lost interest, gave up and dropped out. This would be unfortunate.

Even Mark, who started these Alfred threads, and who used to post here constantly, has seemed to have disappeared, although I saw that he did submit a medley of Book 3 pieces in the latest ABF Recital.

But, I'm glad you're here too and I'm sure we can have many entertaining and instructive exchanges - although I will continue to post even if I'm the only one and have to "talk" to myself \:D (it'll be like my own personal diary!)

Regards, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/29/08 11:02 AM

JohnFrank-

It's ok to talk to yourself. It's when your head whips around and you start shouting: "What did you say?!?" that the guys in the white coats arrive! LOL

Piano has been a bit neglectd this month. I've been participating (well, to tell the truth, I went momentarily insane at the beginning of Nov.) in NaNoWriMo and it has eaten my life for the month. But I did it.

Now, gotta get back to the Jazz Ostinato, which we are still working on because both my teacher and I like it so much!, the Soldier's Joy Hornpipe, which I find rather fun to play, and Toreador Song from Carmen- those rhythms are going to be slow going for a bit, I think. Plus some Christmas stuff. I need to log some serious practice time this week!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/30/08 04:46 AM

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Originally posted by IrishMak:
JohnFrank-

It's ok to talk to yourself. It's when your head whips around and you start shouting: "What did you say?!?" that the guys in the white coats arrive! LOL[/b]
:D I haven't started doing that - yet!

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Piano has been a bit neglectd this month. I've been participating (well, to tell the truth, I went momentarily insane at the beginning of Nov.) in NaNoWriMo and it has eaten my life for the month. But I did it.

[/b]
NaNoWriMo?

Regards, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 11/30/08 12:49 PM

National Novel Writing Month

The idea is to start Nov. 1, finish by Nov. 30 and write a 50K novel in those 30 days. I've done short stuff in that past, and I wanted to see if I could do a longer thing. It was soul-eating, exhausting, time-sucking, and fun, fun, fun! lol But the piano got rather neglected, poor thing!
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/01/08 09:18 AM

OHHHHHH! If I could write in song, I would go for it! Writing is just not my "forte"
But I know it must have been fun! And a lot of hard work \:\)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/01/08 12:19 PM

Mak [/b] - way to go - quite an accomplishent - I couldn't write one in 30 months - what's it about?

piano4 [/b] - good to hear from you again - what are you working on these days?

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/01/08 03:46 PM

Having fun here!

Tomorrow I have my weekly lesson. The super-special song was pretty easy, and I've been taking a peek at the Rhumba & Fandango, which don't look too difficult either. Could be a smooth start of book 3. I'm sure there'll be some more challenging stuff coming up soon though...

Ingrid (I need some fingering help from my teacher on Gnossienne 6 before I dive into it. It looked so easy, but oh boy, was I wrong!)
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/01/08 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by John Frank:
Mak [/b] - way to go - quite an accomplishent - I couldn't write one in 30 months[/b]
You might be surprised. Once I got going, it was easier than I thought it would be. The hard part is sticking to the commitment to work on it every day.

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- what's it about?
[/b]
It's a fantasy-thriller- ritual magic, demons, Native American archeological sites, that sort of thing. Not everyone's thing, but I read mostly fantasy, so it seemed to work for me.

Pulled out the "super-easy piano" Christmas book I had last year. I can actually play through most of it without too much trouble. Now, we're talking single note left hand stuff here, but last year it was slower going. Hmmm, maybe I am learning something??? \:\)
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/02/08 10:58 PM

Hi JohnFrank, I'm still working on "Star Spangled Banner" and "Toccata in D minor". "Star, I manage to get to the tremelo part and somehow completely BlOW IT With Toccata, I am only on the first page! \:o

I am also on "O Holy Night" an arrangement I found in a magazine called Sheet Music magazine.That one is going pretty well. \:\) It was an old one from my cousin.

Going slowly but still going... that's the main thing. And did I have the chance to put up the web cam, NO! I will make a strong attempt this weekend after work because I want to at least play what I am learning and get some feedback from the group!

Thanks for asking \:\)
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/03/08 04:14 AM

Irishmak...wow! A novel! Can we read it somewhere????

And piano4 too..YIPPIE! Nothing wrong with John Frank (LOL) but a few more people on this thread is nice I think.

My lesson yesterday went pretty well. The super special song was not too difficult, so this week I'm gong to tackle the Calypso Rhumba & Fandango. Nice start up. I've been working on some pretty complicated things lately, its nice to work on something a bit more straightforward for a change. And I still have Gnossienne nr 6 for if I want something nasty (boy! What a score. I't a very modern piece, which requieres a lot of verey good note-reading. An awful lot of sharps and flats, and no chord logic at all. But I want to finish my gnossiennes, so I am going to tackle it!)

Are you guys all taking formal lessons by the way? And how long have you been playing the piano?

Ingrid
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/03/08 07:08 AM

piano4 [/b] - there's a current thread in the ABF for Holiday music - "O Holy Night" sounds like a real good candidate for that

I see from your profile that you use a Yamaha Clavinova - which one? I use the CVP-301.


Ingrid [/b] - nice to know that there's nothing wrong with me! :p (although some others might have a differing opinion \:D )

To answer your question: I am self-teaching & have been playing for 3 years.

To ask you a question: What are "gnossiennes" and how does one pronounce that?

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/03/08 07:47 AM

John, self taught al the way up to book 3. Impressive! Although I love playing, I really need my teacher to keep me on my toes. Without her I'm afraid I would skip all songs in the books that I don't like, and would probably miss out on a lot of technical skills...

The gnossiennes are 6 pieces by Erik Satie. I'm not a very classical person, but I used to have a high school friend that played them for us, and I still think they are beautiful, so they were on my 'dream list' of things I wanted to be able to play. This summer my teacher gave me a 'go' to start working on them. i started in June, and did the first 3 during the summer vacation, and now I am starting on the final one nr 6

some links from youtube::
nr 5 (my last one!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_tXnfO4ggc

nr 6 (struggling with right now)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOUCbvM90UA

nr 4 (beautiful!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR2J32l_2JU

well, and just to be complete, here's 1 2 and 3!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u05DkMD5Cs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX8c8xKQLpc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb9FjH5Vgdo

Ha, now you know I am a real fan!

I love the way this guy is playing them there s a lot of discussion on tempo with these pieces, because most of them are written without measures, and only the weirdest remarks on the interpretation...things like 'without arrogance' or 'open your head' ... No allegro's or andantes or whatever)

Ingrid

PS..oh, and it's french, so you would pronounce it like it more or less rhymes with 'yen'. Does that make sense??
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/03/08 10:29 AM

Ingrid-

No reason to be impressed. It's not much right now. Not ready for public comsumption, for sure. The rest of this month will be spent filling in gaps, and just getting the story finished. Then it goes to editing stages. After that, we'll see....

And I do have a teacher, for much the same reason you do: to keep me on track. I'd be hopeless without her- disorganized, no idea what I'm doing, lost and probaby would have given up long ago! LOL
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/04/08 09:08 PM

Hi John Frank!

Hopefully, for real, I will play that durng this month's recital time. I'm still working on the first page and will work on some tonight after I finish some work.

My clavinova is a CVP-700, five years old. I bought it from my piano instructor this past March. She was upgrading to a Yahama acoustic and told me about her.I didn't know it was, what it was until I walked into the piano store (where she taught until it closed two months ago), and the salesman pointed to me ( he was on the phone).

I had only practiced on the one in the store each time I would go for lessons, but never in my wildest dreams that I ever thought that I would have one \:\)

Barring any unforseen circumstances this weekend, after work, I will get the web cam up and post a picture!

Thanks for asking!
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/04/08 09:54 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by piano4:
Hi JohnFrank, I'm still working on "Star Spangled Banner" and "Toccata in D minor". "Star, I manage to get to the tremelo part and somehow completely BlOW IT With Toccata, I am only on the first page! \:o

I am also on "O Holy Night" an arrangement I found in a magazine called Sheet Music magazine.That one is going pretty well. \:\) It was an old one from my cousin.

Going slowly but still going... that's the main thing. And did I have the chance to put up the web cam, NO! I will make a strong attempt this weekend after work because I want to at least play what I am learning and get some feedback from the group!

Thanks for asking \:\) [/b]
Wait till you get to the top of the 4th page of "Toccata in D minor".

It's stopped me in my tracks. I just can't get it down.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/04/08 10:58 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IngridT:

some links from youtube::
nr 5 (my last one!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_tXnfO4ggc

nr 6 (struggling with right now)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOUCbvM90UA

nr 4 (beautiful!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR2J32l_2JU

well, and just to be complete, here's 1 2 and 3!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u05DkMD5Cs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX8c8xKQLpc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb9FjH5Vgdo

Ha, now you know I am a real fan!

I love the way this guy is playing them there s a lot of discussion on tempo with these pieces, because most of them are written without measures, and only the weirdest remarks on the interpretation...things like 'without arrogance' or 'open your head' ... No allegro's or andantes or whatever)

Ingrid

[/b]
Those are wonderful pieces. Made me bring back one I was having trouble with about a year ago and now it seems manageable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmn6bcNm9GU
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/05/08 04:15 AM

ha, Mark,

I've got the Gymnopedie book here as well. There's 3 of them. After I am done with the Gnossiennes I guess I'll do those next to my Alfred's book.

It is such wonderful relaxed and soothing music to play. It may sound weird, but I really enjoy listening to myself when playing these pieces, late at night, when everybody else is sleeping. If you want to work on something like that again, I would propose Gnossienne nr 1, it is really not very complex, and easier then the Gymnopedies. I got initially a bit scared by the big number of sharps (I think, or flats?) but honestly, it's easy to play. very structured, slow speed & a lot of repetitive patterns. The left hand is basically just 3 chords.

Glad you liked it (I'll have to figure out a way to record myself if I keep on hanging around here, that's much more fun than posting someone elses efforts...)

Ingrid
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/05/08 08:35 AM

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Originally posted by IngridT:
ha, Mark,

I've got the Gymnopedie book here as well. There's 3 of them. After I am done with the Gnossiennes I guess I'll do those next to my Alfred's book.

It is such wonderful relaxed and soothing music to play. It may sound weird, but I really enjoy listening to myself when playing these pieces, late at night, when everybody else is sleeping. If you want to work on something like that again, I would propose Gnossienne nr 1, it is really not very complex, and easier then the Gymnopedies. I got initially a bit scared by the big number of sharps (I think, or flats?) but honestly, it's easy to play. very structured, slow speed & a lot of repetitive patterns. The left hand is basically just 3 chords.

Glad you liked it (I'll have to figure out a way to record myself if I keep on hanging around here, that's much more fun than posting someone elses efforts...)

Ingrid [/b]
Gnossienne nr 1 is also a favorite. I looked it up and thought it was going to be difficult. I will have to give it a try.

I love these slow mellow pieces. Thanks for sharing.

Mark
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/05/08 09:41 AM

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Gnossienne nr 1 is also a favorite. I looked it up and thought it was going to be difficult. I will have to give it a try.
Yeah! Mark! Do it!

My piano teacher gave me a 'go' on them when I was near the end of Alfred 2. And it worked! So assuming you're in Alfreds 3 as well right now there should be no reason to stay away from it.

I know this is an Alfred's thread, but I'd love to share my Satie-love with some people over here as well!

Ingrid

(and you know what. The Gnossiennes 1/2/3 are very much alike in how you play them. If 1 works out, it's not that difficult to attack 2 and 3 as well. The last 3 is a different story though :rolleyes:

Ingrid (tried out a quote and the graemlins for the first time. let's see if it worked!)
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/05/08 01:56 PM

I should look up the Gnossienes. I have worked on the Gymnopedies, but still don't play them as well as I'd like. I found the Gymnopedies not especially difficult from a note point of view, but playing them expressively and beautifully are a whole different thing! And they are also very much alike in the way they are played, so once you get Nr. 1 figured out, 2 & 3 are that much ahead.

Satie certainly had a gift for saying so much with just a few notes. Lovely, lovely music.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/05/08 04:07 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IngridT:
 Quote:
Gnossienne nr 1 is also a favorite. I looked it up and thought it was going to be difficult. I will have to give it a try.
Yeah! Mark! Do it!

My piano teacher gave me a 'go' on them when I was near the end of Alfred 2. And it worked! So assuming you're in Alfreds 3 as well right now there should be no reason to stay away from it.

I know this is an Alfred's thread, but I'd love to share my Satie-love with some people over here as well!

Ingrid

(and you know what. The Gnossiennes 1/2/3 are very much alike in how you play them. If 1 works out, it's not that difficult to attack 2 and 3 as well. The last 3 is a different story though :rolleyes:

Ingrid (tried out a quote and the graemlins for the first time. let's see if it worked!) [/b]
Why don't you start a Satie study thread. just start the thread, and add those great links.
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/08/08 03:36 PM

Mark, I'll think about that Satie thread. Although I love the music, I don't know if I feel knowledgable enough to 'lead' something like that. Why don't you just start of with that 1st Gnossienne, that makes already 2 of us, and once we convinced a 3rd person to join we'll call it enough 'critical mass' for a separate thread, OK??

Since we've been a bit busy celebrating Sinterklaas here last weekend (dutch tradition with lots of presents & poems) my Gnossienne 6 did not get the attention it deserved. Fortunately both the Calypso Rhumba and Fandango were pretty easy, so at least I can play some things in a decent way for my teacher tomorrow...

Ingrid
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/08/08 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by IngridT:
Mark, I'll think about that Satie thread. Although I love the music, I don't know if I feel knowledgable enough to 'lead' something like that. Why don't you just start of with that 1st Gnossienne, that makes already 2 of us, and once we convinced a 3rd person to join we'll call it enough 'critical mass' for a separate thread, OK??

Ingrid [/b]
I'll be on Gymnopedie nr.1 for a while, so I'll wait till I get to 1st Gnossienne before I start anything.

And you don't need to be an expert to start the study, otherwise I would of never started the Alfred threads...lol
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/09/08 10:07 AM

Hi guys - it's been a few days - been busy bearing down on several pieces:

"Jazz Sequences" in Book 3 - some tricky fingering and hand movement making it just a little difficult to get it up to speed (Allegro moderato) but almost there - will start soon on the Haydn "Serenade".

Finished review of "Love's Greeting" (Salut D'amour) in Book 2 - easy piece to play badly but just a little tough to play very well - really like this arrangement and worked it over real good to get the right "sweet touch" on this - will start review of "Danny Boy" next.

Continuing work on a 2nd version of the hymn "Abide With Me" - will eventually combine it with the 1st version I did (already down) for an extended arrangement of this lovely piece.

Just started on Mozart's Minuet, K.94 - looks to be a good piece with some interesting counter hand movements and interesting harmonies & counterpoint.

Submitted "A Christmas Medley" to the ABF Holiday Performance thread - hope you've had a chance to check it out.

Hope you are all doing well with your Book 3 studies and other pieces.

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/09/08 09:24 PM

Let me belatedly welcome Ingrid to the Alfred 3 thread. One can feel her enthusiasm for the piano. I like the idea of a Satie thread, but I need to finish Alfred's first.

When I last checked in I was stumbling with the "Mountain King", but as IrishMak said, repetition, repetition, ..., and I am now able to play it. I even like it, sort of.

I was also putting a lot of time in on "Trumpet Tune" which was fun to play, but I had to work especially hard at giving the right feeling to the 1/16 notes. As my teacher said, it isn't a straight 1/16 note, but an accent that emphasizes the march-like quality of the piece.

"American Hymn" and "Adagio in A Major" were next and these were fairly straightforward, except for the fact that I continue to have difficulty getting the LH/RH balance right. I have to concentrate very hard getting my left hand to play more softly than my right. In the Adagio, I need to improve my legato playing when the pedal is released. My teacher showed me a trick whereby I hold the LH root to carry some of the chord forward without the pedal and it fools the ear.

In any case, these pieces are progressing well enough that I've added "Prelude in A Major" and "Blue Rondo". The B and C sections of the Rondo are fun to play, although I find the transitions hard, just as I did with those in the "Mountain King".

Mark, how are you enjoying your new piano. I must confess that I'm a little down on my RX-3 right now as it is too loud for my room. I put in a string blanket which makes the volume almost acceptable, but it reduced the dynamic range of the keyboard and muffles the higher overtones. I'm thinking of converting it to a digital. Horrors!

Bob
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/10/08 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by OldFingers:


Mark, how are you enjoying your new piano. I must confess that I'm a little down on my RX-3 right now as it is too loud for my room. I put in a string blanket which makes the volume almost acceptable, but it reduced the dynamic range of the keyboard and muffles the higher overtones. I'm thinking of converting it to a digital. Horrors!

Bob [/b]
Thanks for asking! I had a problem with my volume for a couple of weeks but for some reason I got used to it or maybe I'm just playing softer.

As for the piano, I'm really enjoying it, but disappointed with some overtone issues in the octave below middle C. They have sent two techs out and they worked on it without success. In fact they say that can't hear it. But I can hear it as well as my teacher and her piano technician husband can hear it too. They are coming out again after the holidays to work on it again. I hope it can be fixed.

Mark
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/10/08 10:49 AM

Old Fingers-

Glad to hear you've managed Mountain King. It is kind of a neat piece, but tricky. The Adagio is, I think, quite pretty, as well, but I tend to like those slow, melodic pieces.

Alfred's is on hold here for the next couple weeks. This is "fun time," as my teacher calls it. We are working on Christmas music right now. A couple more complex arrangements, and more of the deceptive types- the ones that sound "fancy" but are really quite easy to play. That way, if someone asks me to play "something Christmas," I have a few things I can drag out- maybe! lol
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/10/08 03:38 PM

Old fingers...Thanks for the welcome! I feel at home already here. And I hope my enthousiasm is going to help keep this thread as lively as possible! Looks like you're ahead of me in book 3 (like all of you here I guess, LOL!) so technical-support-wise I'll probably rely more on you guys then the other way around.

I see that most of you are on seasonal pieces right now. Me not really, I am re-playing some stuff I played last year out of an Alfreds X mas book. Real fun, because I remember working hard on it last year, and now it's a lot easier. O holy night, Go tell it on the mountain, A real sweet song called Ukrainian Bell Carol, and some impressionistic version of a Cradle Song?? (don't remember the exact title). Any of you working out of this book? I really need to get a set up to record and post some of my own playing. Will see if I can work that out during the X mas vacation...

Slightly seasonal I am now tackling the prelude in C major of the Well Tempered Clavier (the ambitious selection of book 3). And I'll be working on Modern Sounds as well. And of course the weird Gnossienne 6. Never played anything with so little logic, so many (occasional? is that the word?) flats & sharps, and therefore such an extensive demand on my note reading skills. Teacher told me bluntly to decrease the tempo by 50 % and only work on the first 8 or so bars for the coming week. BUT I WILL TACKLE IT!! Ha! (determined voice)

Fandango & Calypso rhumba went fine by the way. Nice pieces, and easy to play.

Did one of you mention the problem of playing different volume with left/right hand? I struggle(d) with the same. Even started a separate thread about it last week, in which I received several tricks to work on it, but also a lot of comments that it's also partly a mental thing (? still wondering about that). Do any of you work on etudes? My teacher had me started on a real neat etude book (eastern european, by Teoke, with 2 dots on the o that I never seem to be able to type correctly). It takes some perseverance to work on, but they are short (like 8 bars or so, sometimes even less) that really isolate one specific technical aspect of playing. Like the volume thing, or legato/staccato, or timing rests real well, etcetera. It's sometimes a struggle to start working on them (a real piece is more fun), but by tackling e real specific 'thing' in an otherwise simple and short piece of music does really help you concentrate on just that, which I hope pays of when playing 'real' stuff!

Ingrid

PS...can you all handle my english? I am fairly fluent when speaking, but now that I am exclusively writing on music I notice that I have some gaps in music terminology...I'm sure it'll get better over time.
Posted by: Goose68

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/10/08 06:45 PM

 Quote:
Those are wonderful pieces. Made me bring back one I was having trouble with about a year ago and now it seems manageable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmn6bcNm9GU
This is good stuff, Mark... I just found this piece in one of my books and started it out. And then bam, your post with the video so I can confirm how it sounds. Well played!
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/10/08 07:44 PM

Mark, from day one my piano has had some issues in the 5th octave. I've had five different technicians in to track down the problem, but none of them can hear it. On the other hand, I've had three players in, and they hear the problem instantly. I'm convinced that the technicians have blown their ears pounding on pianos all day, so they are the last people to consult for musical problems.

IrishMak, maybe with your time out I'll catch up to you. How far have you gotten in Alfred's 3?

Ingrid, I have to tell you that when I took on the Prelude in C Major my teacher's eyes lit up. As I have mentioned earlier in this thread I label the chords throughout the piece. During my lesson my teacher described why the chords were what they were and why certain chords used the root and others did not. He also related the loudness level to the chord structure. It was really neat. He said teachers love to teach from that piece.

As the person who is having difficulty with the LH/RH balance, would you please let me know the title of your earlier thread. In pieces like the Adagio in A Major, I can get the left hand rolling along and keep it at a lower level, but if the LH and RH notes are synchronous, I have great difficulty playing them at separate levels. However, getting the balance right is one of the most important things I've learned in making my playing sound more musical.

By the way, your written English is very good. I have a feeling your playing is quite good too.

Bob
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/11/08 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by OldFingers:
IrishMak, maybe with your time out I'll catch up to you. How far have you gotten in Alfred's 3?
[/b]
I am working on "Toreador Song from Carmen" on page 94 of the All-In-One Book 3. I think this one will be around for a while. My teacher says it's not an easy one to get right, but she's also happy that I've gotten the rhythms right, even if it is at a ridiculously slow speed right now. I do still work on it here, but we've just put it on hold at lessons till after Christmas.
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/11/08 08:16 PM

I gave up ( temporarily) on Star Spangled Banner. Working on Christmas music... need something to get me into the spirit:-)

I'll be in book 3 for a while
catch everyoone later
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/12/08 05:21 AM

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Originally posted by piano4:
Working on Christmas music... need something to get me into the spirit:-)

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piano4 - still working on "O Holy Night"? Any other Christmas pieces?

In addition to the Christmas Medley I did for the ABF Holiday Performance thread I'm also working on a delightful, but somewhat obscure, piece called "See Amid the Winter's Snow" (which is English, I think) - I may record part of it & post it here to give you'll a feel for its nifty melody.

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/12/08 05:41 AM

Oldfingers, you asked about the thread on soft/loud playing...it was this one:
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/32/7540.html

I'm still struggling with it, but I am hope it will be one of those treshold-like things that'll suddenly work out.


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By the way, your written English is very good. I have a feeling your playing is quite good too.

And do you have telepathic powers or something? I've never been complimented on my pianoskills by somebody that hasn't heard one single note....Once I get some recording opportunity you'll have to let me know whether I lived up to your expectations!

Anyway, I'm glad that my english is apparently OK. Untill recently talking about bars made me just thirsty, and a sharp reminded me of knives. LOL! I really have to look up some of the terminology used, since I frequently read stuff that I have trouble understanding. Triads? Fake books?

We're getting really in the X mas mood here. All the kinds were are playing Jingle Bells and We wish you a Merry Christmas yesterday while decorating our (hopefully kittenproof) tree.

I'm playing my old seasonal stuff, and discovered that modern sounds is not that complicated either (though not really my cup-a-tea music-wise) The Alberti bass is fine as well, only that triller(????right word? thriller is something else, I'm pretty sure of that) in the first little piece is killing me. To be honest, I don't really get which 2 of the 3 notes should be trilling.

Anybody able to help me out there?

The prelude in C is also fun. Only I have this strong urge to sing the ave maria along with it all the time. Maybe I should wait with that untill I can play it fairly well, this way it's a bit too much at once...

Ingrid

(Ah, and it's nice to see more and more people liking Satie. Maybe we'll get that separate thread. Meanwhile I plough on with my first 8 slow bars of Gnossienne 6...)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/12/08 07:09 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IngridT:


Anyway, I'm glad that my english is apparently OK.
All the kinds were are playing Jingle Bells and We wish you a Merry Christmas yesterday while decorating our (hopefully kittenproof) tree. [/b]
Ingrid - "All the kinds were are playing . . ."

Not sure that English is OK - did you want to clarify that? :p Overall though, your English is very good

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The Alberti bass is fine as well, only that triller(????right word? thriller is something else, I'm pretty sure of that) in the first little piece is killing me. To be honest, I don't really get which 2 of the 3 notes should be trilling.

Anybody able to help me out there?

Ingrid [/b]
A trill is a way to extend a single note by alternating between two neighboring notes, in most cases alternating between the given (designated) note and the note above it - this is usually indicated with a "tr" above the note to be trilled - for example, if the designated trill note is a C (and is a quarter note) you would play C-D-C-D quickly (as 4 16th notes),

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/12/08 07:38 AM

Ha John. Guess my english is better then my typing skills.. KIDS. KIDS. KIDS. (yeah, I can do it right if I concentrate! LOL!!)

And of course, a trill. But this trill is mentioned on 2 16th notes and an 8th that are more or less 'connected'. and I was wondering which 2 of the 3 to trill.

PS..Wow! Thanks I looked again, and indeed, the 'tr' is right above the 8th. I'll go and try again right now!!

Ingrid
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/16/08 04:49 AM

It's quiet over here! Where is everybody?? Probably busy with Chrismas shopping, and playing carols instead of working on you Alfred books!

Things are going pretty slow here as well. Modern sounds is OK, but for the rest. Mwah. The last schoolweek before the holiday is like a madhouse anyway (X mas dinner at school, musical, you name it) and on top of that my father has suddenly been admitted to the hospital last week and will be having rather complex open heart surgery tomorrow. And, to complete the picture, we are planning to go for a week of skiing in Switzerland leaving friday (that is, if everything works out fine with my dad, it's a bit weird to start packing our stuff, and not even being sure we can safely depart...).

Anyway, just wanted to put our thread back on page 1!

Ingrid
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/16/08 07:09 AM

Ingrid - sorry to hear about your father - hope everything works out well for him - and hope you get to go skiing in Switzerland too - I would love to do that myself - I used to ski alot, but haven't done so for several years (getting too fat, lazy and unmotivated!) - I'd settle for skiing here in the New England area, where they usually have plenty of snow and a number of excellent resorts (maybe with pianos in the lounge area where one could show off :p ).

Among other pieces I'm currently working on Mozart's Minuet, K94 and on the Haydn Serenade in Book 3 (it's from a String Quartet, the theme of which I'm vaguely familiar with from hearing it some years ago in a live performance).

Good luck and have fun!

Regards, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/17/08 10:51 PM

I haven't been purposely negelcting this poor little thread, but we lost power in the ice storm we had on Thursday, and just got it back tonight- almost exactly 6 days from when it went out! We had heat (propane), but no water or lights. I could practice while it was light out, but let me tell you, sitting here, staring at the dark is not a lot of fun!

I'm really just working on 4 or 5 Christmas things:

Hark the Herald Angels Sing
I Saw Three Ships
God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen
from the a book of carols arranged by Martha Mier

Joy to the World
Away in A Manger
Jingle Bells
from Christmas Jazz, Rags and Blues Bk. 1 also arr. by Martha Mier

Silent Night
from a book called 100 Christmas Carols

Ok, I guess that's 7....

It's keeping me busy! \:\)
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/17/08 11:50 PM

Hi all. Ingrid, i hope your father gets well and I am still working on "O Holy Night" and "We Wish you a Merry Christmas".

"o Holy Night" is getting better.Finally got to the second page this evening and I play this for my instructor tomorrow. But I'm not worried!

I'll be on ( I promise) to play this and to visually introduce myself!! during the holidays!!

Will be back to Alfred three after New Years!

Take care all!
Posted by: Michael Dugan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/18/08 11:05 AM

Hi All,

I've been AWOL from the forums for some time. Really busy and all that. Anyway, I completed Alfred's level 2 and started Alfred's 3 several weeks ago. Currently on "A Very Special Day". So far so good.

How are the songs later on in the book? Is it a large leap in skill level, or more of an even projection?
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/18/08 12:28 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by piano4:

"o Holy Night" is getting better.Finally got to the second page this evening and I play this for my instructor tomorrow. But I'm not worried!

I'll be on ( I promise) to play this and to visually introduce myself!! during the holidays!!

Take care all! [/b]
piano4 - looking forward to seeing and hearing you!

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/18/08 12:35 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Michael Dugan:
Hi All,

I've been AWOL from the forums for some time. Really busy and all that. Anyway, I completed Alfred's level 2 and started Alfred's 3 several weeks ago. Currently on "A Very Special Day". So far so good.

How are the songs later on in the book? Is it a large leap in skill level, or more of an even projection? [/b]
Michael - welcome back! AWOL = "Always Working On Listz"? \:D

Can't answer your question about the evenness or steadyness of the technical progression thru Book 3 since you're a little farther into it than me - but several other Book 3ers here probably can.

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/18/08 04:58 PM

Michael, I am half-way through Level 3, with side-trips to a couple of "ambitious" pieces, and I would say that the progression has been "linear". My left hand has become much more active than when I started and my reading ability has improved significantly.

Although not discussed in the book, I need to work hard at achieving a better left/right hand balance and I need to be able to keep better time in my head. I'm now working on Blue Rondo which is neat because it introduces an interesting rhythmic element.

Although this might not be a good thing to admit, I have skipped the "Just for Fun" pieces. It still takes me awhile to learn a new piece, which is "just not fun" unless there is a musical payoff.

Bob
Posted by: angelojf

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/23/08 10:33 AM

Hello,

Can anyone tell me if Book 3 in the Alfred All in One series is available with a CD?

Thanks
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/23/08 11:31 AM

Angelo - I don't believe a CD is available for Book 3 (the assumption being that by this stage one should have developed one's interpretive abilitites sufficiently to the point where one isn't really needed ;\) :p )

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/23/08 04:55 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by angelojf:
Hello,

Can anyone tell me if Book 3 in the Alfred All in One series is available with a CD?

Thanks [/b]
Yes, there is a CD available for Book 3 on Amazon. I don't have a link handy but I can get one later if you need it.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/23/08 06:35 PM

I had purchased the CD for Book 2 but it was dreadful and I never used it. It must have been made using Band-in-a-box or something similar as the instruments sounded like toys.

John Frank, you are making me feel guilty. I record my teacher playing the pieces in Book 3 and I find it extremely helpful for improving both my rhythm and my musicality. That dependency is probably a liability, but since I hope to be able to take lessons forever, it is of no consequence to me.

For what it's worth, my teacher had me skip "Jazz Ostinado in C# Minor". Apparently it was written to be played on the white keys and it upset him to even think about it being played in the wrong key.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/23/08 08:07 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
I had purchased the CD for Book 2 but it was dreadful and I never used it. It must have been made using Band-in-a-box or something similar as the instruments sounded like toys.

John Frank, you are making me feel guilty. I record my teacher playing the pieces in Book 3 and I find it extremely helpful for improving both my rhythm and my musicality. That dependency is probably a liability, but since I hope to be able to take lessons forever, it is of no consequence to me.

[/b]
Yes, I bought the CD for Book 2 but have hardly used it - the piano part is on the right speaker I think, and it helps somewhat to turn the accompaniment on the left speaker off.

OldFingers - Didn't mean to make anyone feel guilty - was just kidding (hence the ;\) :p ) - and I didn't think from something I read here way back that a CD was available for Book 3 - maybe they just came out with it (as Cyborg has indicated it's availability)?

I don't have a teacher so I just play the pieces either how I've heard them before or how they sound good to me (assuming I can get them to sound good at all!) \:\) You, however, are fortunate to have a good teacher who lets you record the pieces and then guides you in their proper performance and should definitely continue with this system (although he does appear to be a bit too fussy about the key of the "Jazz Ostinado" piece :p ).

Cyborg - welcome back! What are you currently working on?

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/24/08 08:49 PM

JF,

Glad to be back on the forum. It's been hectic with the holiday season and I haven't had the time to read/post here.

Currently, I have a 2.5 week break in between lessons but my teacher loaded me up with 4 pieces to work on during the break. I'm currently finishing up "A Very Special Day" in book 3.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/25/08 04:28 PM

Cyborg, I don't know what this says about my musical tastes but I love playing "A Very Special Day". I've moved on, but I go back to this piece all the time. The left hand is just so much fun to play.
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/26/08 08:52 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
Cyborg, I don't know what this says about my musical tastes but I love playing "A Very Special Day". I've moved on, but I go back to this piece all the time. The left hand is just so much fun to play. [/b]
I'm actually enjoying the piece myself. Also, I agree that the Alberti bass lines are nice sounding and fun to play.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/27/08 05:49 AM

Oldfingers and Cyborg (and any other Book 3er who has been there) - how did you feel about the Haydn "Serenade" piece (from the String Quartet) - with the Alberti bass throughout this piece did you enjoy this one also - I'm currently working on it & enjoying it (even with the left hand pattern being the reverse of what I was used to so far). Were you able to bring out the RH melody in this piece well?

But now you've got me a little anxious to get to "A Very Special Day" to see what's so likable about that one!

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/27/08 12:27 PM

JF, I did indeed enjoy learning to play the Serenade. However, I must be honest in admitting that the last three measures on the first page caused me great difficulty. My teacher interpreted the slurs on the pairs of notes as a "down-up" dynamic which took me quite a while to get right.

I think this was one of the first pieces that I started to become aware of the LH/RH balance and I started to lighten up on the LH while carrying the melody in the right. All in all, this was an excellent tutorial piece and very enjoyable to play.

Bob
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/27/08 01:57 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
JF, I did indeed enjoy learning to play the Serenade. However, I must be honest in admitting that the last three measures on the first page caused me great difficulty. My teacher interpreted the slurs on the pairs of notes as a "down-up" dynamic which took me quite a while to get right.

I think this was one of the first pieces that I started to become aware of the LH/RH balance and I started to lighten up on the LH while carrying the melody in the right. All in all, this was an excellent tutorial piece and very enjoyable to play.

Bob [/b]
When I reached this piece I told my teacher that I thought I met my match and that my left hand wasn't as good as I thought. I worked through it and still am trying to clean up this piece. Very challenging piece.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/27/08 02:45 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
JF, I did indeed enjoy learning to play the Serenade. However, I must be honest in admitting that the last three measures on the first page caused me great difficulty. My teacher interpreted the slurs on the pairs of notes as a "down-up" dynamic which took me quite a while to get right.

I think this was one of the first pieces that I started to become aware of the LH/RH balance and I started to lighten up on the LH while carrying the melody in the right. All in all, this was an excellent tutorial piece and very enjoyable to play.

Bob [/b]
Bob - yes, the last 3 measures are difficult because of the "doubling" of notes in the LH (and the change of chords in the very last measure, along with a slight rhythmic change in the RH pattern) - also I didn't particularly like the large drop in the melody notes to the G in the 1st 2 of these measures, so I changed the G to the 4th line D in the 1st and the G to a 4th space E in the 2nd (sounds better, although I'm not sure Haydn would approve) - and you're right about the LH/RH balance, where the RH shoiuld be a little louder to bring out the melody.

I'm finding this piece just a little harder to memorize than most I've studied so far. Not sure why. Maybe the constantly changing LH/RH patterns.

Mark - yes, this is a challenging piece, but worth the extra effort.

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/27/08 03:39 PM

HI all. Happy Holidays to you all. I haven't gotten back to book 3 but have played or attempted to :-) Serenade,I enjoyed. Was going to play for a senior citizens group back in Nov. didn't have the chance
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/27/08 03:41 PM

Back again, clicked "add reply" before finishing. Anyhow, "A Very Special Day" is cute :p .
I will get back to "Star Spangled Banner and Toccata" after the holidays.

Take care everyone!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/27/08 08:01 PM

Hi piano4 - Happy Holidays to you too - good to hear from you!

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/27/08 10:08 PM

Hi John Frank, it's good to hear from you too!
Guess what I just did! I just hope it took! Okay, I am still working on " O Holy Night" so I decided to post on youtube my version of "Carol of the Bells".

Don't know a thing about webcams and sites like youtube but here it goes. I hope it was long enough!! Please let me know if you are able to catch it. If not,I will try again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV3yd1GVmRM

Later everyone!
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/27/08 10:45 PM

It's me again! I just tried to see if I could see the video and I have conflicting messages; It was successful download and the file is too small, video not available! OKay!!! Back to the drawing board. Actually, back to my piano!

Later all!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/29/08 03:29 PM

piano4 - keep trying - you'll get it - anxious to see/hear you!

Over the Holiday weekend I just finished my long running review of select pieces in Book 2 by getting a fairly decent new recording of "Danny Boy" - now I will soon start reviewing select pieces in Book 3 as I move forward on new pieces (I think I will probably work on all the Book 3 pieces including the "Just for Fun" pieces). Still working on Haydn's "Serenade" probably for another couple of days.

Also putting the finishing touches on the Hymn "Abide with Me" (combining 2 different arrangements - one from "Alfred's Sacrad Book, Level 2" and one from the compilation "The Definitive Hymn Collection").

And closing in on finalizing Mozart's Minuet in C, K.94 as found in "Easiest Book of Piano Classics".

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/29/08 09:21 PM

JF there is a very nice recording of Danny Boy by Keith Jarrett at You-Tube. I was amazed at how slowly he played it while making it sound so beautiful. Sorry, but I don't know how to include the pointer to the video clip.

Bob
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/30/08 07:28 AM

Here's the Keith Jarret version of "Danny Boy" - just very lovely - maybe if I played it that slowly I'd make fewer mistakes! \:\)

Danny Boy

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/30/08 10:53 AM

JF, how did you post the pointer?
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/30/08 01:32 PM

Bob - I sent you a PM detailing the process - let me know if you have any questions or problems.

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 12/30/08 07:23 PM

Thank you JF! I am a bit discouraged \:\( however with your kind words and thoughts, I know "I Will Survive" ;\) ... with apologies to Gloria Gaynor or Donna Summers
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/03/09 09:14 AM

piano4 - I think it was Gloria Gaynor.

Putting the finishing touches on Haydn's "Serenade" from Book 3 and Mozart's Minuet, K.94 - also hymn "Abide with Me".

Started "Grand Piano Band" (Just for Fun piece in Book 3), Beethoven's Minuet in G, and the Hymn "Fairest Lord Jesus".

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/03/09 03:45 PM

Thanks JF! Getting back to Star Spangled Banner and Four Finger Dexerity, which is an interesting exercise!

I am going to look at sight reading a few hymns before I start back to class next week!

Take care!
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/03/09 09:25 PM

Ok! This is more of a time that I feel that I am a beginner!! I finally posted "O Holy Night" on Youtube and I admit to being a bit creative!

I'm still going to work on this (Later) and my other pieces!
take care all!
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/03/09 10:38 PM

i goofed on the Youtube address! Left out a letter.

Here is the corrected one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUhqehY

Bye!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/05/09 07:36 AM

piano4 - can't find your video ?
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/05/09 08:20 PM

I know! I just found out that the site's not working I will try again a little later!
I'm sorry \:o
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/05/09 08:26 PM

Okay, I am trying this as 'cut and paste'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUhqehYyryA

I guess it would have helped if I had seen the other four letters

Thank you much, JF \:\)
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/06/09 08:51 PM

Forget the last post! Apparently, i still have a lot to learn about youtube! I will try again later in the month!
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/07/09 05:22 AM

Hi All!!

First of all: Happy 2009 to all of you!

I've been absent for a few weeks (Christmas holiday, skiing) but the kids are back at school, and everything is returning to 'normal' and that means some structured piano playing again, finally!

My only accomplishment during the last week (piano-wise I mean) was the famous prelude in C Major of Bachs Well Tempered Klavier (ambitious selection of Alfreds 3). I think I remember Oldfingers being pretty enthousiastic about it, well...so am I. What a beautiful piece!! I love it! I think it was a great experience learning to play it. It is a fun piece to excercise sight reading skills. It just has to go on and on and on at a more or less constant speed, so it really gets you in a certain trance-like state reading ahead and playing. And even more important, it really forces you to work on the dynamics and real emotion and musicality. If you play it in a boring flat way it just sounds like an etude or warming up exercise. But if you are able to turn it into 'real' music, it is a very exciting piece to play (and to listen to)

I am sure I will very obediently work my way through Alfreds 3, but I must say that I have the feeling I am getting more and more satisfaction out of playing 'real' pieces of music instead of the short 'very-special-song-like' stuff (see also my Satie-mania earlier in this thread).

I am next going to tackle the famous & beaaaauuuutiful Moonlight Sonata (also ambitious selection of Alfreds) and probably after that Fur Elise (which I told my teacher I thought was boring, because it is almost too famous, but she convinced me it's only the first 10 bars or so that everybody is always playing, but that tackling the whole piece wil be fun. OK. I'll go with her advice)

Ingrid
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/07/09 07:53 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IngridT:
Hi All!!

First of all: Happy 2009 to all of you!

. . .

My only accomplishment during the last week (piano-wise I mean) was the famous prelude in C Major of Bachs Well Tempered Klavier (ambitious selection of Alfreds 3). I think I remember Oldfingers being pretty enthousiastic about it, well...so am I. What a beautiful piece!! I love it! I think it was a great experience learning to play it.

I am next going to tackle the famous & beaaaauuuutiful Moonlight Sonata (also ambitious selection of Alfreds) and probably after that Fur Elise . . . [/b]
Ingrid - glad you enjoyed the Bach piece so much - it's always really nice to hear when someone gets a lot of pleasure and satisfaction from their own playing of a great musical work - I've had the feeling myself on several occassions, although with less "ambitious" pieces.

Also, impressed that you're going to take on 2 other well-known and somewhat difficult (but probably equally enjoyable) works found at the end of Book 3. Good luck and heve fun!

 Quote:
I am sure I will very obediently work my way through Alfreds 3, but I must say that I have the feeling I am getting more and more satisfaction out of playing 'real' pieces of music instead of the short 'very-special-song-like' stuff (see also my Satie-mania earlier in this thread).

Ingrid [/b]
While I can understand in a certain way and to a certain extent your rather negative feeling towards the majority of the remaining pieces in Book 3 (especially since you are working successfully on more "ambitious" pieces now, which you refer to as "real pieces of music") I must state that I disagree totally with your implication [/b] that these remaining Book 3 pieces are not [/b] "real pieces of music".

You may not have meant this, but it's how it seems to come across (at least at first impression) - and those of us who are still plowing our way thru all or most of the Book 3 pieces (piece by piece, month by month) would like to believe that all of our dedicated time and strenuous effort are actually directed toward creating real music (even if it is of a shorter, easier, less-ambitiously arranged nature such as "very special song-like stuff", as you say).

At each stage of one's journey along the long road towards pianistic excellence every piece that one attempts is "difficult and ambitious" (at your current level) and is "real music".

We have to remember that "real music" is not defined by it's length or complexity or how long it's been around or the esteem with which it's held by "experts" or even the degree of technical skill required to perform it. Real music can be and is many things to many people, including very simple pieces - even the simplest very beginning pieces in Book 1.

It doesn't seem like a very helpful idea to "put down" or belittle the majority of Book 3 pieces, especially in a thread dedicated to their discussion - this would tend to discourage such discussion by those struggling with some of these pieces, thus defeating the whole purpose of the thread.

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/07/09 11:34 AM

John,

Oh boy. I didn't mean it like that at all. You cannot imagine how excited i was bout my jingle bells in book 1! With 2 hands!!

It's just that I am loving the freedom and windows of opportunity that are apparently opening now that I am where I am piano-capability wise.

And for some weird reason I am getting indeed some additional satisfaction out of playing what I called 'real' music (please put the use of the word 'real' on the combined fact that I am a non native speaker, and on top of that dutch. We are well known for our blunt way to say things) ). What I meant with it was something composed by somebody more or less famous. Longer then one page. A 'complete' piece of music, not just a small theme from something famous reduced to 12 bars. Something I chose myself becaus I love it, not just because it's on the next page of the book to cover a certain learning aspect.
Hmm. It's difficult to explain.

But all of that NEXT to Alfreds.

My piano teacher told me by the way that she had few pupils who made it all the way through Alfreds 3. Apparently it's fairly common to add more and more personal favourites or interesting choices to the repertoire once you get a bit better at playing. With the method books slowly fading away at some stage.

So I guess my going through the Alfred 3 might be a bit slower because I might be adding more pieces next to it.

And OK, You're right, this is an Alfreds thread, so I can skip a bit on the non-Alfreds stuff I am working on. No problem! (although al the stuff I mentioned in my last post IS in Alfred 3! LOL! And I remember somebody else mentioning earlier that he/she was skipping all the 'just for fun' stuff, because the ambitious part was that much more interesting, so I am not that weird I guess!)

Again, sorry,sorry. I did not have the intention al all to insult or downgrade anybody.

Ingrid
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/07/09 01:27 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IngridT:

What I meant with it was something composed by somebody more or less famous. Longer then one page. A 'complete' piece of music, not just a small theme from something famous reduced to 12 bars. Something I chose myself becaus I love it, not just because it's on the next page of the book to cover a certain learning aspect.
Hmm. It's difficult to explain.[/b]
I understood what you meant and I agree up to a point - playing longer and more complex and more advanced and more enjoyable and satisfying "complete" pieces by "famous" people is the goal of many people here, including me.

But to say that such pieces are "real" music as opposed to the shorter, less demanding, less enjoyable "unreal" study pieces found in a method book, is just undefendable and unhelpful (although mastering even these can be enjoyable and satisfying)

You apparently missed my main point that criticising study pieces unfairly and unjusifiably as "unreal music" (especially here in a thread devoted to helping people deal with and master them) is going to put a serious "damper" on participation here and discourage many from sharing their problems and conquests with this Book and the study pieces found in it that they are working on/struggling with.

 Quote:
My piano teacher told me by the way that she had few pupils who made it all the way through Alfreds 3. Apparently it's fairly common to add more and more personal favourites or interesting choices to the repertoire once you get a bit better at playing. With the method books slowly fading away at some stage. [/b]
I can understand how that could easily happen - I'm adding more "supplemental" pieces all the time, although (at this point) I have no intention of stopping work in Book 3 and plan to finish it out doing most of the pieces (sooner or later).

 Quote:
And OK, You're right, this is an Alfreds thread, so I can skip a bit on the non-Alfreds stuff I am working on.
Ingrid [/b]
I didn't say anything about not discussing non-Alfred pieces here in the Alfred 3 thread - please discuss any piece you wish, Alfred or not (I do and others too). Even criticize individual Book 3 pieces - just don't put them all down as a whole as third-rate stuff.

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/07/09 04:15 PM

As someone who has been systematically working my way through the Alfred's series I agree with John's point of view. Not having had a good musical background when I started this project I am feeling a certain satisfaction in nearing completion of what has here-to-fore been referred to as a fairly comprehensive introduction to the piano. Except for the the "Just for Fun" pieces which I have skipped with the blessing of my teacher, I have learned something from all the pieces I have studied.

I remember in particular working on "Dark Eyes" in Book 2. As someone who started this project not being able to read both clefs, my focus had been on being able to play the notes. Having played it more or less error free and feeling good about it, my teacher got very serious and said what I was doing was not musical. While a bit of a blow to my ego, I realized what he was saying was actually complimentary as he was implying that I now had the skill to make it musical. As short a piece as that was, it was a "game-changing" experience. Ever since, I never leave a piece until I am able to put some feeling into it. More recently in Book 3 "Shenandoah" is used to introduce the E Major scale. This is another short piece that isn't hard to play, but does allow for a lot of expression. For me to be able to work on that aspect of playing on a short piece is an opportunity. Now my teacher and I can talk about the best way to express the piece, not whether or not I had struck all the right notes.

So Ingrid, Alfred Level 3 may seem limiting to you but for those of us relatively new to this kind of study, each and every piece is worth the time and effort needed to learn it. While I look forward to playing the pieces of interest to you, at the moment I am perfectly content to complete, what to me is a fairly comprehensive course of study.

Bob
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/07/09 04:24 PM

Hi IngridT, I'm also working on Bach's Prelude in C. Its the kind of piece that really needs perfection to sound right. I have more work to do on it, but its very doable with practice.

Did you like the Prelude in D from earlier in the book? Its one of my favorites. It really makes you feel like a player.

Congrats on book 3, I still want to do Fur Eilis and the full version of Moonlight to complete Alfred 3.

Mark...
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/07/09 04:46 PM

Hmm. All of a sudden I have the feeling that you are thinking that I am positioning myself 'above' Alfreds' level or something like that. No! No!

I feel like a true beginner. And I am a true beginner. I wasn't able to read one single note 2 years ago. I don't feel like a real pianist yet. If I encounter a piano 'in the wild' without a music book in my bag I can hardly play a single piece. I will finish Alfreds book 3 & work on my etudes (what you call hanon I guess) to improve on all those zillion things that I struggle with.

But on top of all that I cannot deny that playing some of this Satie pieces, and now the Bach Prelude has given me the greatest musical satisfaction I experienced so far. Maybe because I am an ambitious person, and I get a kick out of working on some of those 'dream pieces'. Which (again) doesn't mean at all that I don't enjoy doing Alfreds. Its how I learned most of what I learned so far. I am having the time of my life since my first lesson. I play so many wonderful pieces. Nasty pieces. Not-my-style pieces that still taught me something. Boring pieces that turned out te be interesting after all. I celebrated so many breakthroughs (the triplets. Whaaah! What a nightmare!) It broadened my musical horizon through the variety of styles. You name it.


Ingrid
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/07/09 04:52 PM

Mark,

I am no way near to finishing book 3. It's more like I am just starting. But apparently my teacher is giving me some freedom to play around already with the ambitious selection in the back of the book, even though I am just trying to get the alberti-bass under control...

You are so right withe the prelude in C major. it has to be perfect. Once I start playing it I sometimes play it 10 times, just on and on and on. It gets you in a kind of trance. I'll look up the prelude in D as well!!

Ingrid
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/07/09 05:48 PM

On a cheerier note, I finished "Prelude in A Major", "Blue Rondo", "Shenandoah" and "Laredo". I liked all of them. I'm now working on "Soldier's Joy" and I am starting to mess around with "Toreador Song" which looks as though it could be a deal-breaker. The triplets might be a little difficult for my "old fingers" to handle. Does anyone have some words of encouragement to keep me pressing onward?
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/07/09 08:16 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
Does anyone have some words of encouragement to keep me pressing onward? [/b]
:D It would seem that you really don't need any - the way you're knocking off pieces we're going to have to do something real soon to "discourage" you and slow you down a little bit or you won't be around much longer to offer us words of encouragement! ;\) In a big hurry to get to Alfred 4, are you? :p

Keep up the good work Bob and keep on keeping us up to date.

Regards, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/07/09 08:27 PM

Don't get discouraged! I'm still working on page one of the Toreador Song, and at a fairly slow (tho a bit faster than when I started) tempo. Not nearly what it should be when done. It's not the triplets that are getting me. For some reason, triplets never really tripped me up. It's the danged rhythm! Keeping the left hand short but steady against the dotted rhythm in the right is a monster! Same advice as last time- slow, slow, slow! Start slowly enough that you can get the triplets right every time, and build speed gradually. As my teacher keeps saying to me: "What's your hurry?!?" LOL

And speaking of such things, I haven't had a lesson in 3 weeks! ARGH! I cancelled the first one- way too far behind on Christmas stuff! Then last week, my teacher called and said she was sick, so had to cancel. This week, she called as she was leaving her doctor- she has pneumonia! Hopefully, things will be right next week.

Till then, I am working on Toreador, have looked a bit at Rock-A My Soul (next in Alfred's and one I have enjoyed in all the Alfred's books, so I look forward to this more complex arrangement, too), opened Book 2 of Martha Mier's Romantic Impressions and started on the first piece, and following a recommendation from someone else, discovered I have a book of music by Catherine Rollins. It's her Sounds of Spain, Book 1. Admittedly easy arrangements, but lots of those rhythm things that can trip me up, so I thought these might help me nail some of that technique, plus it will be good sight reading work. Hmmmm, seems even without lessons every week, I manage to keep busy!
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/07/09 08:36 PM

JF, my lessons got all messed up over the holidays so I had three or four weeks to work on my pieces. Usually it takes me about two weeks to get approval to move on. Actually I am in a bit of a hurry, as I'm trying to gain access to the course of study my teacher has for his "normal" students, i.e. kids younger than about ten. He has a rather unconventional approach as he gets young promising students who don't want to pursue classical material. In order to get on the same track as the eight-year olds, I had to learn how to read all the notes. Hopefully I'll be ready when I finish Alfred 3, probably in the spring. It will be interesting to see what happens next.

Bob
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/07/09 09:23 PM

Hi Oldfingers! This forum is one of the things I look forward to for positive energy! My major struggle is not so much with the pieces I am working on, but trying to figure out things such as "Youtube"!!!..

It will take me a little while to get through Alfred 3 and I am wondering just #4 would be like?

Keep on hanging in there! I know I am:-)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/08/09 10:17 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by piano4:

It will take me a little while to get through Alfred 3 and I am wondering just #4 would be like?

Keep on hanging in there! I know I am:-) [/b]
piano4 - I was just teasing OldFingers about being in a hurry to get to Alfred 4 - as far as I know there isn't an Alfred 4 (and I'm not too awfully sure I'd want there to be! ;\) )

Saw your video in the January Piano Bar - nice work!

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/08/09 10:27 PM

Okay! Point taken! And thanks again:-)
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/13/09 03:19 PM

Don't forget, we can always use additional recordings for any and all Alfred pieces for the opening pages. Duplicates are welcome.

Thanks!

Mark...
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/13/09 03:23 PM

Oh, Oh, all this talk of being in a hurry has gotten me into a great slow-down. I've made my first pass through "Soldier's Joy" and am now working on dynamics, which is fine, but the next piece, "Toreador Song" is not yielding to my efforts. I have spent a week on the first eight measures and can barely get through it at a very slow speed, and the triplets are still ahead of me. Can anyone tell me what's going on here? Why am I finding it so hard? The next three pieces might even be more difficult. Has anyone else found this section of the book to be at a substantially more difficult level than the preceding? I need some encouragement here. JF, I think you have jinxed me.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/13/09 07:28 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
"Toreador Song" is not yielding to my efforts. I have spent a week on the first eight measures and can barely get through it at a very slow speed, and the triplets are still ahead of me. Can anyone tell me what's going on here? Why am I finding it so hard?

JF, I think you have jinxed me. [/b]
:p You can't blame me - I'm innocent - you can tell just by looking at my avatar, can't you? Can't you? OldFingers? ;\)

As far as "Toreador" I haven't gotten that far yet, but my educated guess is that you need to slow down even more \:D

Seriously, maybe you need to concentrate on one phrase at a time or even just one or two measures, and then slowly take on one or two measures more, etc. Isn't that the piece with the syncopated rhythm or something "off" like that? Or maybe if you just let it rest for a little while and then come back to it fresh?

I'm sure one or two other who've been there and done that will be able to help more specificaly.

Good luck, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/13/09 08:58 PM

JF, "innocence" is certainly not an attribute I would associate with your avatar. But you, on the other hand, well ...

The difficulty is not due to its rhythmic structure, but rather, I think, that the two hands are moving in different directions. That's why it took me several weeks to finish "Trumpet Tune". For many pieces the left hand is just strumming chord tones, but that is not the case with "Toreador". I actually have to concentrate on reading the left hand notes, rather than just recognizing the chords from which they might have come.

OK, I'll take some time off. Actually I'm traveling tomorrow and will be away from a piano for a couple of days. A rest will do me good. I'll be away from cyberspace for the next two weeks, but if I haven't mastered "Toreador" by the time of my return you might never hear from me again.

Bob
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/13/09 11:38 PM

Hey, Bob, don't be so hard on yourself! I started Toreador Song before Christmas and we only added a few measures on page 2 today! My teacher says it's one of the more difficult pieces in the book, so it makes sense that it will take some time to get it right. Just take it slow and easy- I'm nowhere near up to correct speed on the thing. The triplets are really not bad. The left hand is the bugger on this one. Hang in there- we'll get it in time.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/14/09 06:41 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
Don't forget, we can always use additional recordings for any and all Alfred pieces for the opening pages. Duplicates are welcome.

Thanks!

Mark... [/b]
Mark - since you ask, here's my version of "Fandango" - it's the Book arrangement with a slightly extended (and hopefully enhanced) ending:

Fandango

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/15/09 07:05 PM

Finishing up "Grand Piano Band" (one of the Just For Fun pieces) - just like the 1st JFF piece "Simple Song" it's not too bad musically (you just have to ignore the somewhat corny lyrics) -

Mmoved on to "A Very Special Day" but not far enough into it to form an opinion yet - also trying to get a good recording of "Serenade" but that confounded middle section (actually only 3 measures - Oldfingers knows the ones I mean) are making it a little troublesome.

Also, still working on the Beethoven Minuet in G and the hymn "Fairest Lord Jesus" (lots of RH harmony notes making it slow going).

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/16/09 10:35 AM

Hi all! I've given up on "Star Spangled Banner" for now. Will begin working on "Toccata" and my instructor wants me to continue with "O Holy Night" for one more week.

And yes, that "Serenade" middle is tricky. I had trouble with that too! I may go back on that just to see how much I remember!

Good luck JF
Posted by: Wimbwicket

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/16/09 11:28 AM

Hey guys! I've just finished The Classy Rag and was just wondering what level an average Joe has when he finishes The Alfred series. Could anyone give a few examples of well known songs which you will be able to play when you're done with the Alfred? \:\) I've seen some topics about this but they weren't really answering my question. \:\(
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/16/09 03:55 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Wimbwicket:
Hey guys! I've just finished The Classy Rag and was just wondering what level an average Joe has when he finishes The Alfred series. Could anyone give a few examples of well known songs which you will be able to play when you're done with the Alfred? \:\) I've seen some topics about this but they weren't really answering my question. \:\( [/b]
I hope this isn't a repeat of what you have already heard.

The consensus seems to be, that when you are done with Alfred you are a late beginner/early intermediate. The pieces at the end of Alfred three in the ambitious section are in the grade 3-4 range.

As for how this works in pop or rock, it would be hard to say, but you would probably have the tools to play some very nice stuff with concentrated work.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/17/09 05:42 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Mark...:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Wimbwicket:
Hey guys! I've just finished The Classy Rag and was just wondering what level an average Joe has when he finishes The Alfred series. Could anyone give a few examples of well known songs which you will be able to play when you're done with the Alfred? \:\) I've seen some topics about this but they weren't really answering my question. \:\( [/b]
I hope this isn't a repeat of what you have already heard.

The consensus seems to be, that when you are done with Alfred you are a late beginner/early intermediate. [/b]
Drats! And I was hoping after all this time and work and energy expended that we would at least be in the "too good to be at the intermediate-intermediate level but not quite good enough to be at the advanced-intermediate level" level, which one might refer to as the advanced-intermediate-intermediate level (just to simplify things) - maybe we need an Alfred's 4 after all ;\)

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/17/09 06:22 PM

I agree with you JF ;\) And especially after getting through the ambitious section ;\)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/17/09 09:25 PM

piano4 - well, if you agree with me then you're obviously a very wise and perceptive person indeed

Seriously, whatever else you might rate yourself after going thru the 3 levels of Alfred I don't think the word "beginner" should even remotely apply, and should not be allowed in the discussion :p Even "early intermediate" seems a slight understatement. I like my rating system a lot better (and that's a totally unbiased opinion ;\) )

Regards, JF
Posted by: Wimbwicket

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/18/09 05:28 AM

haha Nice one John \:D . Thanks for answering my question guys. Just a quick little question.

We don't have an official rating system here in the Netherlands. So are you referring to a grade system of the US, or maybe the 'grade system' of www.sheetmusicplus.com or what grade system Mark...? And is there some sort of list of things you are able to play when you're grade 3-4? And since late beginner / intermediate are kind of relative terms i don't know what i will be able to play. I've got a teacher and i know she will give me nice pieces to play when i'm done with Alfred, i just would like to know what kind of pieces :p .

And what grade of www.sheetmusicplus.com will i be able to play :p ?
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/18/09 06:18 AM

Wimbwicket - I don't know much at all about the various "grading systems" (sheetmusicplus or otherwise) and I'm really not too concerned about them, so I'll let others here who are more familiar with them respond specifically to your questions.

But, it would seem obvious even to the most casual observer that what any given person will be able to play in terms of the "graded rating" of pieces after one completes the 3 Alfred books will be highly variable and thus difficult to be precise or exact about. This is because, while there might be some "average" level of ability for those finishing Alfred, and so a certain general grade of pieces that one could possibly play (say level 3-4), this average might not be that usefull and may not apply in any number of cases for several important reasons: natural talent, differences in speed and accuracy of learning, motivation, dedication to practice schedules, actual practice techniques, outside help & encouragement or lack thereof, thoroughness with which one "went thru" the Alfred series, etc., etc.

Take that last item I mentioned: the thoroughness or completeness with which one went thru the Alfred series. There are a number of ways to do that. For example, one can go thru it slowly and steadily playing all or most of the pieces and pretty much getting good control of each piece before moving on to the next, and spending some time as one moves forward reviewing previously "mastered" pieces from earlier in the books. Using this method one could be reasonably sure of being an "average" graduate of Alfred at a certain level of technical skill and musicality and ready to take on other pieces at the same or a more demanding level with some degree of confidence.

But, others might not be so thorough or dedicated or demanding of themselves on their journey thru Alfred, skipping a lot of pieces, or not really "mastering" them and moving on to other pieces out of boredom or frustration, not reviewing too much, not actually developing all of the skills and tecniques which are gradually presented in the series, not developing the ability to sound musical in their performances (musicality), etc. So, you can see that there is "going thru Alfred" and then there is "going thru Alfred" - and there will be a lot of variation in pianistic abilities of those who do.

In conclusion, where you will be and what you wil be able to play when you "get thru Alfred" will depend mostly on you and your efforts over an extended period of time, and may be greatly different from where I will be and what I can play. But, just how important is it to know one's current "level" - it's not going to help you at all to master the next piece you take on or become a better musician able to play your pieces with any degree of "musicality".

I try to play each piece as well as I can at my current level (whatever that is) and have fun doing it. If you take this approach at each stage of your developement and with each piece you attempt to play, your skills will slowly improve and the "levels" will ultimately take care of themselves.

Someday you'll play a piece for some piano "snob" and they'll say: "Hey, you play that fairly well - you're at level x". And you'll say: "So what, ask me if I care - now listen to this piece and tell me if it sounds like I'm in control & know what I'm doing!".

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/18/09 03:44 PM

You know, I feel that anyone who makes the attempt to play any type of instrument is expanding their minds! And outlook on life! music person and I flatly told them to remember that they had to begin somewhere! Everyone else I've met, look at me and truly rejoice with me that I am untaking something that I truly enjoy \:\)

Now, if I do decide after I finally finish this masters program to go into a college course on music, then I'll worry! Until then, Nah! ;\)
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/19/09 01:16 PM

Hi, I am new to the Forum and this is my first post. I am not sure if this is the correct thread. If not, please let me know where I should ask this kind of questions.

I am a restarter, and as many restarter must have done, I am assessing my level to decide what books to buy. I have searched Amazon's and the Alfred's series look good, but their naming and numbering really confused me.

Like even for this thread, it says it is for Alfred's Basic and All-In-One; but from the charts from the back of Alfred's books, Beginner Alfred's Basic has 6 LEVELS[/b], whereas Beginner All-In-One Course has 5 BOOKS[/b], and the numberings don't go together either. Book 5 of the all-in-one corresponds to roughly level 3 or Alfred's Basic.

Then there is a "Later Beginner All-In_One Adult Piano Course" which has 3 levels.

Maybe I will just end with my first question on this forum: which one are talking about here on this thread? I am asking this so that hopefully I can follow along later.

Many thanks!
Posted by: mom3gram

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/19/09 03:07 PM

Alfred Basic Piano Course (6 levels) is meant for children. Although adults can and have use it also. Each level has several books - piano, theory, technique, performance, etc. The All-in-One is a combination so that you only need one book.

The "Later Beginner" course is meant for older kids who are just starting. It moves a little faster than the basic.

The "Alfred Basic Adult Piano Course" (3 levels)is meant for adults. It also has more than one book at each level, the most important extra book being the theory book.

The "Alfred Basic Adult All-in-One" course, which most of the people on these threads are using is a combination of the basic lesson book plus some pages from the theory book, and some pages from the finger exercise (whatever it's called) book. This book is also preferred because it has a spiral binding and stays open better on the piano.

I hope this clears everything up. :-)
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/19/09 04:58 PM

mom3gram, thanks for clearning things up. I happen to have the "Alfred Basica Adult Piano Course - Adult All-In-One Course : Lesson - Theory - Technic" from inter-library loan. I think this must be the one we are talking about here.

From the backcover, it looks like there are 3 levels on this series. Is that all? Because I preview Level 3 from Amazon, and the songs look not too difficult for me. Even those in the "ambitious" section like Moonlight Sonata (probably edited) and "Fur Elise" don't look bad. I can't just sight read and play them immediately, but they don't look difficult to learn.

I am still planning to get the 3 books as a reference, but if there are only 3 levels in this series, what books do you think I should get for graded instructions?

(I am also doing Hanon now.)
Posted by: mom3gram

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/19/09 05:12 PM

Dave, I'm only on book 1. If you think you can play the ambitious section of book 3, I don't see why you would need Book 1 & 2 unless you want to review.
Posted by: mom3gram

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/19/09 05:15 PM

Dave, I'm only on book 1. If you think you can play the ambitious section of book 3, I don't see why you would need Book 1 & 2 unless you want to review.

Since I'm only on Book 1, I don't generally post in this thread, but I saw your post and had done research on all the Alfred books so I thought I would answer your question.

As to getting all 3 levels of the All-in-One book, I don't think you would need them, but maybe some of the Book 3 people would like to chime in here.
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/19/09 05:25 PM

Accroding to my copy of the All In One Adult Level 3 book, the pieces in the Ambitious Section are not edited. The book says they are in their "original form."
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/19/09 06:07 PM

Thanks, mom3gram and Mak!

It sounds great then. That means I can play the original form of Fur Elise! I never realized that before.

As for the question about the series: is there a Book/Level 4 to this series?[/b] I can't seem to find it from Amazon.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/19/09 07:12 PM

Dave - Start with All-In-One, Level 3 - try some pieces at random throughout the book - see how it goes - check out the "Ambitious" section next - see if they're a challenge or not - you should know soon enough whether or not it's useful to you - if not, well there is no Alfred Adult 4 - feel free to compile one, if you wish :p - beyond Alfred 3 the choices are wide open and yours to make - I've seen several graded series recommended elsewhere in the Forums - here is one published by Alfred that could be used as the basis for additional organized, progressive study (along with other supplemental sources), but I'm not familiar at all with it's overall quality or utility; and there is a series edited by Keith Snell which seems to get good reviews:

Essential Keyboard Repertoire

Welcome and would like to see you join us here!

Regards, JF
Posted by: Strings & Wood

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/19/09 08:09 PM

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Mark - since you ask, here's my version of "Fandango" - it's the Book arrangement with a slightly extended (and hopefully enhanced) ending:

Fandango

Regards, JF
Jf,
I am exploring here- as I am book one, but did not want to pass on the opportunity to say I enjoyed your Fandango and look forward to getting here.
Carl
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/19/09 10:15 PM

Thanks all who have responded to my question about the series. It has helped me a lot in deciding where to go next.

John, I noticed you mentioned "Abide with Me" and "Fairest Lord Jesus," two of my most favorite hymns. What book are you using that has these hymns? I don't think they are in Book 3.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/20/09 04:40 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Carl Mc:
 Quote:
Mark - since you ask, here's my version of "Fandango" - it's the Book arrangement with a slightly extended (and hopefully enhanced) ending:

Fandango

Regards, JF
Jf,
I am exploring here- as I am book one, but did not want to pass on the opportunity to say I enjoyed your Fandango and look forward to getting here.
Carl [/b]
Carl - thanks - glad you enjoyed it - good luck with Book 1 and above all have fun

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/20/09 05:10 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by DaveInMichigan:

John, I noticed you mentioned "Abide with Me" and "Fairest Lord Jesus," two of my most favorite hymns. What book are you using that has these hymns? I don't think they are in Book 3. [/b]
Dave - you are correct that they are not in Book 3 - the only hymn in Book 3 that I am aware of is what the authors call "An American Hymn" (which is an old favorite much more commonly known as "Shall We Gather at the River"?)

I am actually playing two different arrangements of each of the hymns you mention. The 1st version of each comes from a book which is basically a companion to the Alfred Adult series and which is called: "Alfred's Basic Adult Sacred Piano Book, Level 2". The arrangements in this are very good and are roughly equivalent in technical demand to the pieces found in Alfred 2 (in fact they are coordinated by page number). Here is a link to it at sheetmusicplus.com:

Alfred\'s Sacred Piano Book

The 2nd version of each is taken from a book entitled "The Definitive Hymn Collection - 218 Multi-Denominational Hymns". The arrangements in this are a little more advanced (e.g., multiple RH harmonies), and here is a link to it:

The Definitive Hymn Collection

I'm trying to combine the 2 arrangements of each into one modified, enhanced version of each. For example, playing the 1st verse with arrangement 1, the 2nd verse with arrangement 2, etc. So far it a little slow going because the "Definitive" arrangements are still a bit of a challenge for me - but not for long!

Regards, JF
Posted by: Oxfords Gal

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/20/09 09:17 AM

JF,

I didn't know fandango was a latin type piece so I rushed out and took my alfreds out and boy did I love it. Being latin myself I love that kind of music. It was a break to play something so simple and beautiful after having to play the tedious classical stuff I'm playing now.

I want to play some latin and Irish music for a change. I just received a shipment from sheetmusicplus and I'm going to bring it with me as a hint hint for my teacher.

In addition I saw where IrishMak, mentioned "Toreador" so I'm going to play that on the side as well probably today if I have time. \:D

I'm reading the posts here and the discussion on what level is achieved after completing alfreds and I have to agree with early Intermediate.

I'm not a teacher nor do I feel qualified to recommend but I'm going to say this from my own experience.

Supplement your alfreds heavily with original pieces. That right there is going to help you more than any arranged pieces in the books out there.

It's fine if all you want to do is play arrangements from the time you finish your method books but if you want to play original pieces start now if you haven't already.

Not only is it going to help you progress in levels but it's going to help you technically as well with finger independence especially for the left hand, strength and all kinds of stuff for lack of a better word.

The progress you guys will make is going to be remarkable.

Muzio Clementis sonatina op 36. no 1 is a really good place to start. All three movements. It's easy but nice and it works your fingers speed, dexterity and so on and so forth.

As JF mentioned the keyboard repertoir is good. I would study from there as opposed to arrangements you'll develop more from original pieces.
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/20/09 10:13 AM

JF, thanks for the link. Our library system here has both books, so I will check out the second one. The first one is a little "too easy" for me. ;\)

I currently have also "Twenty Piano Duet Transcriptions of Favorite Hymns" (also through the loan). If you have another person who can play four hands with you, this book is great. It is quite doable for someone in Alfred 3. I think I am going to do "Come, Thou Almighty King" with a teenager next month or March.


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I'm reading the posts here and the discussion on what level is achieved after completing alfreds and I have to agree with early Intermediate.
OG, I agree. I have searched Book 3, the selections (outside of the ambitious section) look so easy to me. Even "Moonlight Sonata" in the ambitious section doesn't look ambitious to me (this is by no means meant to be an arrogant statement. It is just that we have to describe our levels, which I am still assessing, with words.)

Then I started to check out the repertoire books (with Amazon preview), and I think I am probably between early intermediate and intermediate. I will also check out some fingering and exercise books.

Well, I have probably "pirated" this thread too much. I will stop now as this is supposed to be discussion on the study on Book 3. Sorry about this and thanks all! Hope to see you all in other threads. It is great to be here. \:\)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/21/09 05:36 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by Oxfords Gal:
JF,

I didn't know fandango was a latin type piece so I rushed out and took my alfreds out and boy did I love it. Being latin myself I love that kind of music. It was a break to play something so simple and beautiful after having to play the tedious classical stuff I'm playing now.

I want to play some latin and Irish music for a change. I just received a shipment from sheetmusicplus and I'm going to bring it with me as a hint hint for my teacher.

I'm reading the posts here and the discussion on what level is achieved after completing alfreds and I have to agree with early Intermediate.

Supplement your alfreds heavily with original pieces.

It's fine if all you want to do is play arrangements from the time you finish your method books but if you want to play original pieces start now if you haven't already.

Not only is it going to help you progress in levels but it's going to help you technically as well with finger independence especially for the left hand, strength and all kinds of stuff for lack of a better word.

As JF mentioned the keyboard repertoir is good. I would study from there as opposed to arrangements you'll develop more from original pieces. [/b]
OG - glad you liked Fandango - yes, a fun piece to play - wish it was longer and a little more complex - if you find anything like that let me know - love those Latin pices myself.

Also - good advice on playing "original" pieces.

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/22/09 02:02 PM

Hi again gang - here's a progress report (because inquiring minds want to know ;\) ) - Finally got a decent recording of "Serenade" which you should be able to hear in a special thread here in the ABF in about 3 weeks or so.

Also, put the finishing touches on "The Grand Piano Band" in Book 3 and moving deeply into "A Very Special Day" - nice piece.

Additionally, finished The Beethoven Minuet in G and ready to move on to a minuet by Handel from his "Music for the Royal Fireworks" suite.

And, I'm about ready to start another hymn from "The Definitive Hymn Collection", but not sure which one yet (maybe "Be Stll My Soul".

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/26/09 06:04 AM

Finishing up "A Very Special Day" and moving on to "Classy Rag" today in Book 3 - also working on the Handel's Minuet in D minor from "Easy Piano Classics" book.

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/29/09 09:55 AM

Hi Guys!

Thought I'd drop by here to share my 'progress'. I'm joining John F, I just started working on ' a very special day', although the string quartet still needs a finishing touch. It's trickier than it looks to play it nicely, especially the bottom line with the non-alberti-bass. And I sometimes mess around a bit with the fingering, which doesn't help.

I'm also heavily into the etudes at the moment (Not Hanon, but similar I guess). I really like it to isolate some specific technical detail and work on it. Managed last week to play something with now and then a staccato note with the left hand, while holding a note to its full value (tenuto??) with the other one. Tricky stuff, but it really pays of.

AlsO struggling with the Moonlight Sonate, Its beautiful, but the stretches for the right hand are quite big. Well, in fact its mostly an octave, but then you have to do other stuff with some notes in between as well. And for someone who was struggling a month ago with playing the left hand softer then the right...I am now supposed to play with just my right hand some soft broken chords, AND a louder melody line (with the pink). Its a challenge. But my teacher is convinced I'll manage it so I'll keep on working on it for the next weeks, while continuing the 'normal' way through book 3 as well.

Have fun playing everyone!! And I'll try to post a bit more often, it's a bit quiet around here lately...

IngridT


PS...Oxfords Gal...I love your term 'original pieces' . A lot better then my 'real music' ;\)
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/29/09 09:58 AM

Oh, and Mark.....did I read somewhere else on the forum that you are now working on Gnossienne 1???? And...do you like it???

Ingrid (nr 6 abandoned for the moment. But 1,2,3,4,5 still in the reportoire...)
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/29/09 10:22 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IngridT:
Oh, and Mark.....did I read somewhere else on the forum that you are now working on Gnossienne 1???? And...do you like it???

Ingrid (nr 6 abandoned for the moment. But 1,2,3,4,5 still in the reportoire...) [/b]
That's on my to do list, but I am well into Gymnopedie Nr. 1. Its a really nice piece too.

Both by Satie
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/29/09 02:02 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IngridT:
Hi Guys!

Thought I'd drop by here to share my 'progress'. I'm joining John F, I just started working on ' a very special day', although the string quartet still needs a finishing touch. It's trickier than it looks to play it nicely, especially the bottom line with the non-alberti-bass. And I sometimes mess around a bit with the fingering, which doesn't help.

. . . . .

Have fun playing everyone!! And I'll try to post a bit more often, it's a bit quiet around here lately...

IngridT
[/b]
Ingrid - glad you "dropped by" - Yes, the Serenade piece is a little tricky thru those 3 measures that were discussed before, and I concentrated on that part hard enough to just be able to get thru that section when I made my recording - but now a week or so later I would probably have to practice it all over again - I think it's going to be my piece submitted to the upcoming ABF Recital on Feb. 15th - but not definitely sure yet. Are you submittting a piece?

Let me know how you like "A Very Special Day" which I'm also going to record in a day or two as soon as I get the ending down pat.

Yes, things have been a little quiet around here lately (it's all your fault :p )- OldFingers said he would be away for a couple of weeks, but I'm not sure what Mak or Cyborg or piano4 are up to lately - I guess we'll hear from them sooner or later.

Keep hammering away at "Moonlight" - you'll get it in time.

Regards, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/29/09 04:21 PM

I've been up to shoveling snow and chopping ice! LOL Oh, wait, were you referring to piano???

Finishing up Toreador Song- my teacher would have let me drop it this week, but I'm not completely ready to do that yet. I'm not quite happy with the end. The rest is, if not quite good, at least decent, and I would like to get the ending up to the same level.

Rock A My Soul- having a bit of a time with the left hand dotted eighth followed by a sixteenth pattern. Instead of a nice, syncopated rhythm, it sounds like mush! So that's my assignment for this week with that one- work that left hand!

October Morning (from Romantic Impressions, Bk. 2)- just need to smooth out a couple places on the 3rd page.

Beautiful Dreams (same book)- played through it cold at my lesson. Ummm, not pretty! LOL But it will be, I think. Another 3 pager, so I don't have to work on the whole thing, thank heaven! And it's marked Allegretto, which is always a bugger for me. I just can't seem to play anything fast!

And then just trying to keep up with the stuff I'm supposed to already "know." Boy, is that an eye-opener if I haven't played one of them in a while!
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/29/09 10:46 PM

I'm hanging around... work and grad class have gotten to me I've just finished my paper and it's late, so I won't be working on anything tonight.

Sorry to bring up Christmas songs, finished "O Holy Night" and, I thought I had it down to an exact science My instructor mentioned to me that she knows I know my notes: there are two places that i was relying on my ears instead of the notes. I was kind of bummed out about that but, on the other hand, just knowing that I can play this is a most enlightening experience

Now, I have "Toccata in D minor" and it's a doozy! And I'm only on the first page

Take care everyone!
Posted by: jobs99

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/30/09 08:11 AM

I am learning piano from two months ago , a friend of mine gave me a copy of "Alfred book all in one course for piano Vol 1" in pdf , in my country is very difficult to get books from USA because the prices are high and there are not places that get them , this book is very easy for beginners like me , i am learning a lot, it's fantastic, but i would like to grateful if someone could help me in get the audio for that book, the audio examples inside this book.

Thanks in advance!!!
Regards!
Jorge
Argentina
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/30/09 09:09 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by jobs99:
I am learning piano from two months ago , a friend of mine gave me a copy of "Alfred book all in one course for piano Vol 1" in pdf , in my country is very difficult to get books from USA because the prices are high and there are not places that get them , this book is very easy for beginners like me , i am learning a lot, it's fantastic, but i would like to grateful if someone could help me in get the audio for that book, the audio examples inside this book.

Thanks in advance!!!
Regards!
Jorge
Argentina [/b]
Here are some You Tube example of many Alfred pieces:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=PianoNoobAlexMan&view=videos
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/31/09 09:13 AM

Mak - tell us a little about "Romantic Impressions" - Thanks.

Regards, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/31/09 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by John Frank:
Mak - tell us a little about "Romantic Impressions" - Thanks.
[/b]
Sure. There are four volumes in the series, all with original compostitions by Martha Mier. I have books 1 and 2. I've finished going thru book 1, and started book 2. The pieces are not exceptionally difficult, but very pretty, if you like the Romantic style (think Debussy or Schumann, perhaps).

From Ms. Mier's introduction to the books:

"Romantic Impressions was especially written to provide pianists with the experience of expressive playing. Playing in a lyrical, expressive and romantic style is an important aspect in the development of the intermediate pianist.

Warm, lyrical, cantabile melodies and rich harmonic structures are found in this collection, which will appeal to pianists of any age who harbor a romantic soul!

It is my wish that playing this music will bring out the romantic in you, and leave you with lasting Romantic Impressions."

The first book is labeled for Early Intermediate to Intermediate pianists, and the second for Intermediate to Late Intermediate.

I find the pieces very pretty and I do enjoy playing them.

A few you tube videos (not me!) of some of the pieces:

The Whispereing Wind, Book 1

Hold My Hand, Book 1

Sand Castles, Book 1

Dreams Bright and Beautiful, Book 2

I'm really enjoying these books as a supplement to the Alfred's Adult book. My teacher hadn't known about Ms. Mier before I brought in the first book, but she's since gotten a few for other of her students.
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/31/09 03:00 PM

Hey! That's funny!

I have that romantic impressions book right here. I didn't play through it completely, but It was recommended to me as a 'extra' book by our local music-book-store, and I remember my teacher telling me that she was a big fan of Martha Mier (meaning Martha Ant in dutch, funny name).

I only got part 1 here. So there's more???

Hmhm, too much music, too little time!!

Ingrid (anybody played the Alfred duet books by the way? There's 2 parts, nicely connected to the adult course 1 and 2. I played them both completely, with my teacher doing the 'B' part. Very nice pieces, also when you play them solo. I am now studying some of the background parts myself to play with my oldest son. So much fun!)
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/31/09 04:20 PM

Oh and Mark....it was the Gymnopedie instead of the Gnossienne. Also very nice. I dropped Gnossienne 6 FTTB. It's difficult, but also a lot different then the other 5, much more modern. I guess I'll come back to it some time in the future. I have the Gymnopedie book as well. Maybe I'll start working on those over the summer (last summer I did de first 3 Gnossiennes as a kind of holiday-assignment. Was fun! I re-playead all 5 I 'mastered' last week a few times. I hadn't played them for a few weeks, and oh boy, I started losing them already. If I really want to keep them alive I'll have to play them at least every other week or so. A few months back I played most of them by memory.)

And John..you asked about recording. I still have to figure out a way to take care of that. I'd love to play you guys a Satie piece, or one of the Alfred pieces. Would be nive to get some honest feedback from 'peers' or constructive criticism. But apart from a mobile phone there's no recording devices in the house. You guys think I can handle it with that? or at least try out something the youtube way? (also never done that). I know there's a whole description of the process floating around the forum somewhere, but it sounded pretty complicated (or, more likely, I was not really in the mood to absorb it and remember what the easy way was to take care of it)

Ingrid

(edited to take care of roughly 21 typo's . I really sounded like officer Crabtree out of 'Allo Allo' (which you probably don't know, but he speaks a very weird version of the english language))

and re-edited to add this (warning! rather politically incorrect! Though for the average european hilarious) link to a Youtube fragment of the abovementioned series/officer...
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=6DrAp5gzdqc&feature=related
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 01/31/09 06:13 PM

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And John..you asked about recording. I still have to figure out a way to take care of that.
Me too.

I am looking for a digital piano. I assume most digital piano will allow some output for recording, but I haven't even started my search yet.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/01/09 05:41 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
Mak - tell us a little about "Romantic Impressions" - Thanks.
[/b]
Sure. There are four volumes in the series, all with original compostitions by Martha Mier. I have books 1 and 2. I've finished going thru book 1, and started book 2. The pieces are not exceptionally difficult, but very pretty, if you like the Romantic style (think Debussy or Schumann, perhaps).


I'm really enjoying these books as a supplement to the Alfred's Adult book. [/b]
Mak - thanks for the info and the videos - sounds like something I'd enjoy playing, although I'm already working out of 3 books regularly so I don't know when I'd be able to fit them in

I just got the first book (there are 7) of the "Essential keyboard Repertoire" series in the mail and after scanning thru it for awhile the original pieces appear to be at a level where the book could easily be used as a supplement to Alfred 2, in addition to Alfred 3 - the series is published by Alfred - so probably the level 3 book in the series might be a good place to start if you're looking for something to work from (in addition to other material) after Alfred 3.

I think I'm going to contact Alfred to see if I can get their recommendations on an organized program of study after Alfred 3, which is especially important for those of us self-teaching (if you have a teacher, he/she may have their own ideas but you still may be interested in any recommendations from the publisher).

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/01/09 07:15 PM

Hey Mark - here's my version of "A Very Special Day' if you want to add it to the OP -

A Very Special Day

Thanks much, JF
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/01/09 10:32 PM

John, thanks for sharing your music. It is so wonderful to listen to other members playing. I will do that when I get my DP or keyboard.

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I think I'm going to contact Alfred to see if I can get their recommendations on an organized program of study after Alfred 3....
If you do that and get their reply, please let us know. I am interesting in joining if there is a thread for self-type after level 3. Thanks!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/02/09 05:05 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by DaveInMichigan:
John, thanks for sharing your music. It is so wonderful to listen to other members playing. I will do that when I get my DP or keyboard.

 Quote:
I think I'm going to contact Alfred to see if I can get their recommendations on an organized program of study after Alfred 3....
If you do that and get their reply, please let us know. I am interesting in joining if there is a thread for self-type after level 3. Thanks! [/b]
Dave - thanks for the thanks - and yes, I will let you (and others here who may be interested) know what I find out from Alfred - also, while I wasn't thinking about a separate thread dedicated to sharing experiences in a program of study beyond Alfred 3 as you suggest, it does have the potential to be a very good idea (even if those participating are using different source materials) - a sort of "Beyond Alfred" thread
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/03/09 05:59 PM

Book 3ers - as promised, below is a copy of an email I recieved from Alfred Publishing Co. in response to an email I sent to their Customer Support section in which I requested recommendations on organised programs of study that basically pick up where Alfred 3 leaves off.

As you will see the recommendations are mostly multi-volume series that are geared toward Classical music studies and technical exercises. According to the gentleman who took the time and made the effort to forward these recommendations there are currently no programs of study that encompass multiple genres of music such as is found throughout the Basic Alfred Adult series. You can, of course, use any number of supplemental books to augment the material shown below.

This gentleman, whose particulars are listed at the end, is not [/b] making these recommendations as an official representative of Alfred Publishing Co., but merely as a private individual who has been teaching piano and helping people with their piano studies for some time now.

Notice his contention that those who finish Alfred 3 are at the "Late-Intermediate" Level.

Here is the email (all of the books listed are available at alfred.com & other sites):

**************************************************************************

Dear John,

Thanks for your email and your questions. I would like to give you some recommendations as to what your options are.

Standard Classical Repertoire: [/b]
------------------------------

Students who complete Level 3 of Alfred’s Basic Adult Piano Course tend to be at the Late-Intermediate level. However, because students vary in ability as well as practice habits and exposure to supplemental literature, we usually recommend that you choose intermediate level standard repertoire. This will allow students to develop an in-depth understanding of the nuances and artistry required to perform pieces from various style periods.

The following Alfred graded repertoire collections are excellent for a Level 3 graduate who is ready to master the classics.

The Spirit Series [/b]
-----------------

Ed. Nancy Bachus / perf. Daniel Glover

Eastman graduate and master teacher Nancy Bachus designed The Spirit Series for pianists to capture the spirit of the major style periods. Repertoire from both familiar and lesser-known composers is included, along with commentary about the composers' lives, related art images and social changes in the era. Each book includes an artistic CD recording of the repertoire by noted pianist, Daniel Glover.


The Baroque Spirit

Book 1 & CD (Early Intermediate/Intermediate)...........$10.95 item #16718

Book 2 & CD (Intermediate/Early Advanced)...............$10.95 item #16719


The Classical Spirit

Book 1 & CD (Early Intermediate/Intermediate) ..........$10.95 item #16720

Book 2 & CD (Intermediate/Early Advanced)...............$10.95 item #16721


The Romantic Spirit

Book 1 & CD (Early Intermediate/Intermediate)...........$10.95 item #4638

Book 2 & CD (Intermediate/Early Advanced)...............$10.95 item #4639



Beyond the Romantic Spirit

Book 1 & CD (Early Intermediate/Late Intermediate)......$10.95 item #21388

Book 2 & CD (Intermediate/Early Advanced)...............$10.95 item #22428



Burgmüller, Czerny & Hanon:

Piano Studies Selected for Technique and Musicality

By Johann Burgmüller, Carl Czerny, and Charles-Louis Hanon

Ed. Ingrid Jacobson Clarfield

Westminster Choir College piano professor Ingrid Jacobson Clarfield has selected etudes and exercises that emphasize

technique and musicality. Volumes 2 and 3 also include works by Heller.

Volume 1 (Intermediate/Late Intermediate)...............$8.95 item #19676

Volume 2 (Late Intermediate)............................$9.95 item #22534

Volume 3 (Early Advanced)...............................$9.95 item #25504



Technique for the Advancing Pianist

Ed. Valerie Cisler and Maurice Hinson

This 96-page resource is an essential collection of progressive exercises and etudes.



(Early Advanced).........................$12.95 item #22448



Masterwork Classics [/b]
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Ed. Jane Magrath / perf. Kim O'Reilly

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With my own students, I try to evaluate their interests and goals when figuring out where to go next. The Classics are a great school master, and there are contemporary music educators with excellent materials as well. Or, you may want to branch off into pop or jazz styles.

I could give you more exact recommendations based on your personal musical tastes and what you would like to ultimately achieve in your studies. You are welcome to write back and I’ll be happy to give you more help.

I hope this information is helpful.

Sincerely,

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Regards, JF
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/03/09 10:07 PM

Wow, what a nice reply from the gentleman, and thanks for posting it here, John.

I had been doing a lot of searching too. The technical studies turn out to be about the same as suggested. I am already doing Hanon. I will most likely add an etude book for the Etudes, and select one from the Repertoire book.

By the way, I think any Book3er can do Hanon now. It is just finger exercise and without much reading, so I think the sooner the better. Even if you do it slowly, after 1 month or two, you will notice an amazing improvement. All you need is persistence. Just it at your most comfortable and accurate speed a few times daily.

And Hanon can be downloaded free as the copyright has expired.
Posted by: DragonPianoPlayer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/03/09 10:37 PM

John, is that the Alfred Essential Keyboard Rep book you picked up?

This one:

http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_...ts+Item-_-Title

I have the first volume and have looked through the others. My teacher has commented that he uses the first few books in the series, but also commented that after about book 3 or 4 the series loses direction and they were just publishing more books to have more books to sell.

I would say that volume 1 is about comparable to Keith Snell level 1 & 2. I think they have some of the same pieces. I would have to look at it in more detail to see if it also contains pieces from Keith Snell level 3.

Rich
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/03/09 11:01 PM

Btw, I am also checking "Twenty-five easy and progressive studies for the pianoforte, op 100" by Burgmüller. I have requested it through inter-library loan. When I get it, I will report about it here.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/04/09 05:14 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by DragonPianoPlayer:
John, is that the Alfred Essential Keyboard Rep book you picked up?

This one:

http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_...ts+Item-_-Title

I have the first volume and have looked through the others. My teacher has commented that he uses the first few books in the series, but also commented that after about book 3 or 4 the series loses direction and they were just publishing more books to have more books to sell.

I would say that volume 1 is about comparable to Keith Snell level 1 & 2. I think they have some of the same pieces. I would have to look at it in more detail to see if it also contains pieces from Keith Snell level 3.

Rich [/b]
Rich - Yes, that's the "Essential Keyboard Repertoire" book I have - Vol.1 - it appears to be a very nicely formatted and useful compilation
with a number of interesting pieces that could easily be used by late-beginners onward.

In a followup email about this series the Alfred guy above stated that it's a decent series but that it won't take you as far into an advanced repertoire as the other two series that he recommended.

Your teacher could very well be correct in the contention that it tends to lose direction in later volumes, one of which is devoted to Sonatinas and another one to works requiring an octave or less in reach (which may not necessarily be a bad thing).

It seems to me we discussed the EKR series in comparison to the Keith Snell series not too long ago in another thread and I'm trying to remember what your reason(s) were for rating the Snell series just a little better in overall quality - maybe you can remind me (was it this lack of direction?).

Dave - thanks for your comments.

regards, JF
Posted by: DragonPianoPlayer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/04/09 02:57 PM

John,

I like the Keith Snell series better because it is more consistent in terms of the difficulty of pieces in each level. There are so many other series out there that gives you a clear indication of the progression. Alfred's EKR strikes me as requiring a teacher to help with the ordering of pieces and when to move on to another level. I think the editing is better in alfed's series. You usually get more help with ornamentation in alfred's as well. As far as the pieces go, anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of the same pieces seem to be the same in the two series. A plus for Keith Snell is that I think it has more 20th century composers.

Rich
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/04/09 03:37 PM

Keith Snell series doesn't have preview on Amazon, so I can't tell the level or decide which one to buy/check out. \:\(

How many level does the series have? From a quick search I have seen up to level 10.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/04/09 09:29 PM

JF, thanks for the information for studies beyond Alfred 3. It was nice of the gentleman to refer to us as "late-intermediate", but, personally, I doubt it. Whenever I hear my teacher play I realize I am just scratching the surface. But that's OK.

While I was away I finished up "Soldier's Joy" and "Toreador Song". Mak, don't you love that F9/C chord in the third to last measure. I must confess, in order to get the succession of triplets and the last seven measures, I played it while listening to my teacher's version at about 85% speed. It got so I didn't have to think about what was happening as magically the fingers just did what they were supposed to do. Listening is such a powerful tool.

It's now on to "Rock-a My Soul", on which I am making good progress. But I must have played the 7th measure a thousand times to get it right. Mak, I have cheated here as well, as my teacher's recording makes the "swing feel" very easy to follow. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have gotten it had I not heard him play it. I've also started "Prelude in Eb Major" which is giving me fits as I'm trying to establish a methodology for counting the last line. I find it very hard to switch from "one-and-two-and" to "one-two-three-four-five-six". Fortunately, the next piece, "Variations on a Sea Chanty" is fairly straightforward.

I know my cheating ways would not be acceptable at the Conservatory, but I'm running out of time, so for me, it's anything that works.
Posted by: DragonPianoPlayer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/04/09 10:24 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by DaveInMichigan:
Keith Snell series doesn't have preview on Amazon, so I can't tell the level or decide which one to buy/check out. \:\(

How many level does the series have? From a quick search I have seen up to level 10. [/b]
DaveInMichigan,

Here's the teachers index from www.kjos.com

http://www.kjos.com/pdf/brochures/snell_reper_index.pdf

There are 11 levels (preparatory through 10). Three books in each level for classical music - one for etudes, one for baroque & classical period, and one for romantic & 20th century, plus you can find some jazz, duet, new age, etc books that are correlated to the same levels. (The index for some of the later books are listed on the back of the series, not on the website. I also don't think they have books for these at every level.) You can also buy CD's for each level.

Level wise: several of the pieces in the challenge section are in Level 5 of the Keith Snell series. If you want more preparation to be ready for the challenge section, I would suggest working through level 4 of Keith Snell's series and then the challenge section / level 5 at the same time.

Keith Snell also has a one volume per level series Essential Piano Repertoire of the 17th, 18th, & 19th Centuries. This comes with CD. It does not have as much of the 20th century music, but might be a good approach for some.

Rich
Posted by: DragonPianoPlayer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/04/09 10:30 PM

Just thought I'd add - I see a lot of synergy between people posting in the Alfred's threads and I think it would be great to be able to keep that going past book three.

Rich
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/05/09 12:01 AM

Rich, thanks for the information! The Teacher's Index is particular useful as I can look at the index and then search in youtube to listen to them. \:\)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/05/09 07:06 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by DragonPianoPlayer:

There are 11 levels (preparatory through 10). Three books in each level for classical music - one for etudes, one for baroque & classical period, and one for romantic & 20th century,

You can also buy CD's for each level.

Keith Snell also has a one volume per level series Essential Piano Repertoire of the 17th, 18th, & 19th Centuries. This comes with CD. It does not have as much of the 20th century music, but might be a good approach for some.

Rich [/b]
Rich - after reading your description above and visiting the website you linked to it looks like the "Piano Repertoire" series edited by Keith Snell has 11 levels, and each level consists of 3 books (1. Classical/Baroque, 2. Romantic/Modern & 3. Etudes) for a total of 33 books if one worked thru the entire series - is this correct? This sounds like a pretty through piano education (if perhaps somewhat expensive :p ).

So, just to briefly summarize, here are the recommended organized, multi-volume, multi-level, intermediate to advanced series that can be used both concurrently with and long beyond the Basic Alfred Adult series:

From Alfred:
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1. Essential Keyboard Repertoire - 7 volumes

2. The Spirit Series - 8 volumes

3. Masterwork Classics - 10 volumes

From Kjos Publish.:
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4. Piano Repertoire - 33 Volumes at 11 levels (Keith Snell edited)

5. Essential Piano Repertoire - ? volumes (1/level) - edited by K.S.

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Any other series that anyone would care to mention?

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OldFingers [/b] - welcome back! Good to hear from you again. Thanks for the update on your efforts to master those tough Book 3 pieces. I'm with you on doing whatever it takes to get the job done

Regards, JF
Posted by: BazC

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/05/09 07:51 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by DragonPianoPlayer:
Level wise: several of the pieces in the challenge section are in Level 5 of the Keith Snell series. If you want more preparation to be ready for the challenge section, I would suggest working through level 4 of Keith Snell's series and then the challenge section / level 5 at the same time.[/b]
These look interesting thanks! I'd love to try some of the Baroque/Classical but I'm only on the end of Alfreds book 1. Have you any idea where the Snell books preparatory level would fit in with Alfreds?
Posted by: DragonPianoPlayer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/05/09 07:51 AM

\:D Well John, since you asked. \:D

Celebration Series Perspectives (11 levels) used for RCM examinations. Frederick Harris Music Company.

The Developing Artist Series (5 levels literature & 4 levels of Sonatinas + Piano Literature for a Dark and Stormy Night \:D who can resist that title.)

Succeeding with the Masters (3 levels, 7 books - On your way to succeeding with the masters, followed by a Baroque vol 1 & 2, Classical vol 1 & 2, and Romantic vol 1 & 2) Note that these books only contain the big composers, all are about intermediate level. They do have a page or so of practice suggestions with each piece.

Succeeding with the Masters: The Festival Collection (7 levels)

Bastian Piano Literatue (5 levels)

Classics to Moderns (not sure how many levels)

Rich
Posted by: DragonPianoPlayer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/05/09 08:00 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by BazC:
 Quote:
Originally posted by DragonPianoPlayer:
Level wise: several of the pieces in the challenge section are in Level 5 of the Keith Snell series. If you want more preparation to be ready for the challenge section, I would suggest working through level 4 of Keith Snell's series and then the challenge section / level 5 at the same time.[/b]
These look interesting thanks! I'd love to try some of the Baroque/Classical but I'm only on the end of Alfreds book 1. Have you any idea where the Snell books preparatory level would fit in with Alfreds? [/b]
The Preparatory pieces look more like the ones in the first half or so of Alfred's 1. Maybe try level 1?

Rich
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/05/09 09:08 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by DragonPianoPlayer:
\:D
The Developing Artist Series (5 levels literature & 4 levels of Sonatinas + Piano Literature for a Dark and Stormy Night \:D who can resist that title.)


Rich [/b]
:D \:D On a dark and stormy night you might have to read that piano literature with a flashlight - and I would certainly not want to turn on my digital piano to play anything (probably pull the plug instead!).

Rich - Thanks for the additional listing of graded series - they could be worthwhile - but, can one have too many choices? It gets confusing after awhile (not to mention costly)

Regards, JF

P.S. I might post our summarized listing as a new topic for anyone interested (Alfred user or not) in the ABF.
Posted by: BazC

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/05/09 09:37 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by DragonPianoPlayer:
The Preparatory pieces look more like the ones in the first half or so of Alfred's 1. Maybe try level 1?

Rich [/b]
Thankyou, I will! \:\)
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/05/09 10:12 AM

Old Fingers-

Listening isn't cheating- it's one more learning tool. I used a variation on what you did. I don't have a portable recorder to tape my teacher's playing, but I do have notation software on my laptop. So I just plugged in the tricky parts and listened to them, over and over. Then took the laptop in to the piano, and played along with it, ever so slowly at first till I got it. It is definitely so much easier if I know how it's supposed to sound.

An my assignment for this week with Rock-A My Soul is to do exactly what you did- get that left hand part in muscle memory, so that I don't have to think about it, and just do it. I'm tripping up on it every time, because it's not automatic enough.

I have not gotten into the Prelude yet, but counting has never been too much of an issue for me. I think it's because I sang for so long, that switiching counting modes is not all that confusing. Of course, the real trick is to do that, hit all the right notes on the right beats, and make it all sound like music, too!
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/05/09 06:46 PM

Mak, thank you for sharing your practice style. It is very effective indeed. FYI I use a Zoom H2 for recording, Audacity for cutting and normalizing, and "The Amazing Slow Downer" for time-scaling.

I would like to ask a favour. When you get to the Prelude and the two measures that shift time to 1/6 notes, would you let me know how you deal with it. Perhaps, because of your previous experience, it will be straightforward for you, but if you have to think about it, I'd appreciate knowing what you are thinking.

Bob
Posted by: PhysicsTeacher

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/05/09 07:56 PM

I don't mean to throw a wet blanket but I submit this for consideration. Yes the gentleman was very kind to send that information to you. This is in all likelihood not an issue but I feel compelled to ask if you asked for and received permission from the gentleman to post his letter and name on these public forums? If not, I think it would be totally appropriate to ask for permission or at the very least edit out his name and other personal and professional information from the post.

I agree, very good information by the way.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/05/09 08:11 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by PhysicsTeacher:
This is in all likelihood not an issue but I feel compelled to ask if you asked for and received permission from the gentleman to post his letter and name on these public forums?

I agree, very good information by the way. [/b]
PhysicsTeacher - good point, but rest assured that permission was asked and granted - his only stipulation was that I emphasize that he was NOT offering his recommendations as an OFFICIAL representative of Alfred Publishing Co., Inc., which I did specify near the beginning of that post that contained the copy of his email.

Glad you found it to be very good info.

Regards, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/05/09 09:59 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
I would like to ask a favour. When you get to the Prelude and the two measures that shift time to 1/6 notes, would you let me know how you deal with it. Perhaps, because of your previous experience, it will be straightforward for you, but if you have to think about it, I'd appreciate knowing what you are thinking.

Bob [/b]
Bob-

Do you mean the 2 measures of triplets in the last system? I just got the book and looked at the piece. I have not tried playing it yet, but as the time signature really does not change there, it's just two triplets in 2/4, rather than straight eighths or quarters. I think, just looking at the music, that if I have difficulty in that section, I would set the metronome to a slow 2/4, and then work at getting the triplets (counting "trip-a-let for each of the 2 beats) into the beats. And ramp up the speed as the muscle memory develops. But that's just from a look at the music and not playing it. When we get to that one, my teacher may have a suggestion for working thru those measures, as well.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/06/09 12:56 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:

Do you mean the 2 measures of triplets in the last system? I just got the book and looked at the piece. I have not tried playing it yet, but as the time signature really does not change there, it's just two triplets in 2/4, rather than straight eighths or quarters. I think, just looking at the music, that if I have difficulty in that section, I would set the metronome to a slow 2/4, and then work at getting the triplets (counting "trip-a-let for each of the 2 beats) into the beats. And ramp up the speed as the muscle memory develops. But that's just from a look at the music and not playing it. When we get to that one, my teacher may have a suggestion for working thru those measures, as well. [/b]
Mak, you have it exactly right. Using the metronome and counting "one-and-two-and, trip-a-let trip-a-let, trip-a-let trip-a-let, one-and-two-and" it works. If I then do it playing one note or chord in the RH or LH, that works too. But then when I try to alternate so that "trip-a-let, trip-a-let" = "RH-LH-RH LH-RH-LH" I get messed up. I need to really concentrate on where the beat falls. I'm probably thinking about this too much.

BTW, I think it's terrific that you can hear the music from a singer's point of view. I'd love to be able to sing along with some of the pieces we are playing but my voice has a range of about five notes.

JF, thanks to you for my first successful "quote".

Bob
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/06/09 01:14 PM

Bob-

Yes, definitely, in a case like those triplets in the Prelude, it is a matter of coordination between the hands. Once you have the notes figured out, it can be just as difficult to get the hands to work together in the right sequence. But, like so much else in learning a new piece, the key (I believe) is slow, steady practice.

As for the singing, I hear pretty much everything I play "sung" in my head. Most of the time, I'm singing the count, but it's still sung. I don't know if it helps or hurts, but it's hard to turn it off!
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/06/09 01:43 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:

As for the singing, I hear pretty much everything I play "sung" in my head. Most of the time, I'm singing the count, but it's still sung. I don't know if it helps or hurts, but it's hard to turn it off! [/b]
Mak, I'm not a musician, but I know enough to know that the ability to hear the music in your head before you play it, is a gift. Have you ever thought about playing jazz piano?

Thank you for reminding me to slow down. It seems that I need to be reminded of that lesson almost weekly.

Bob
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/06/09 05:24 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
Mak, I'm not a musician, but I know enough to know that the ability to hear the music in your head before you play it, is a gift. Have you ever thought about playing jazz piano?

Thank you for reminding me to slow down. It seems that I need to be reminded of that lesson almost weekly.

Bob [/b]
You and me both, Bob! You have no idea how many times my teacher says: "Slow down! Speed is easy to add. Learn to play it right[/b] first!" I think I should tape a sign that reads "S--L--O--W" across the front of my piano! LOL

As for the jazz stuff, I love jazz! But those tricksy rhythms are the killers for me. Sure, I hear 'em, but can I play 'em? Umm, no. But I have a book of jazz and blues stuff that I pick at occasionally. And I love to work on those old standards, too.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/07/09 05:49 AM

I'm putting the fiishing touches on "A Classy Rag" (nice ragtime piece with no major challenges), and looking ahead I see the that the next piece in line is Clementi's "Prelude in D Minor", which from just glancing at the structure of the music doesn't appear to be a very difficult work.

However I notice that the time signature is indicated as a C with a vertical line thru it (as in the old "cents" symbol), which is common time cut in half (aka "cut time") or 2/2 time instead of 4/4 time. This means, of course that there is two beats per measure with a half note getting one beat. This also implies that quarter notes are treated as eighth notes and that eighth notes (of which there are many in the piece) are handled as sixteenth notes.

This all brings up two questions:

(1) there is no explanation here about "cut time" (nor is there a definition in the glossary) for those who may not be familiar with it - was this introduced previously in the first 2 Alfred books somewhere (I can't recall that it was)? Or is this a concept that the authors supposed that the student's teacher would explain (and demonstrate) at this point? It would seem that a brief intro to (or review of) the idea would have been nice at this point.

(2) when you worked on this piece did you play it in "cut time" adjusting the note values as appropriate, or did you simply "think" of the time signature as 4/4 time (ignoring cut time note values) and play it with the more accustomed note values in 4/4 time (which it would be easy enough to do) and perhaps speeding up the tempo to compensate)? You might have done this inadvertently if you hadn't noticed the cut time signature when you originally played it \:\)

Regards, JF

P.S. Edit to add that this may have been a misprint, but doubtful; the next piece in Book 3 in cut time is Sailor's Hornpipe on pg.90.
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/07/09 11:38 AM

John-

The way I was taught to deal with cut time is to think of it as an indication of emphasis and speed. So you want a definite "two" feel to the music, with the emphasis on the first beat in the measure: Strong[/b] Weak | Strong[/b] Weak. And, in clasical music particularly, it indicates that the piece is meant to flow fairly quickly. But that's just what I was taught, and could be well off base.

As for that Prelude, the cut time indication is generally held to, and that piece is played rather quickly. I like it slower, but then I'm not going to be playing it at Carnegie Hall or anything! LOL
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/07/09 12:31 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IrishMak:
John-

The way I was taught to deal with cut time is to think of it as an indication of emphasis and speed. So you want a definite "two" feel to the music, with the emphasis on the first beat in the measure: Strong[/b] Weak | Strong[/b] Weak. And, in clasical music particularly, it indicates that the piece is meant to flow fairly quickly. But that's just what I was taught, and could be well off base.

[/b]
Mak - yes, that's exactly how I understood it - I've also noticed that a lot of marches are in cut time, and we all know how they clip along!

Thanks for your input, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/07/09 02:21 PM

Yes, indeed, most marches are in cut time. It is used to indicate that feeling of constant forward movement.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/07/09 03:04 PM

JF and Mak, thanks for the lesson on cut-time. I am embarrassed to admit that when I worked on the Prelude I didn't even notice and my teacher didn't make an issue out of it. Perhaps it's because I simply tried to emulate his playing, which temporally was just as IrishMak explained it. His comment to me was to get a "rolling" feeling. I think I know what he means by this but I can't explain it.

JF, it's no wonder you don't need a teacher. Thanks again for your lesson "copying".

Bob
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/07/09 03:46 PM

I agree it is for the feel and rhythm (measure wise and also phrase wise).

Sometimes you have to sing it out to get the feel (it also free yourself to express the music without worrying about your fingers and wrong notes, etc.)

It is the same with 6/8 versus a fast 3/4. Mathematically you can make the two the same in speed, but the feels are (should be) different.

I know Frank is familiar with classic hymns (sorry to others, I cannot think of a popular song as an example as I don't sing much popular songs), so take "Praise Him Praise Him" for example. It is 6/8. If you sing in 6/8, the feel (and slight and not overdone emphasis) should be:

One - two - One - two - PRAISE[/b] Him, PRAISE[/b] Him, JE[/b]sus our blessed reDEEM[/b]er

Whereas if we do it in 3/4, even after bringing up the speed so that it is the same as the 6/8 version, the emphasis would be more or less like

One two three One two three PRAISE[/b]--HIM[/b]--, PRAISE[/b]--HIM[/b]--, JE[/b]sus our BLES[/b]sed reDEEM[/b]ER

I don't know if I successfully communicated it. Well, I tried. \:\)
Posted by: DragonPianoPlayer

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/07/09 05:08 PM

Dave,

Your counting shows that you understand the difference between 6/8 and 3/4.

Most 6/8 pieces are closer to 2/4 than to 3/4, and that is the meter you are describing. The pulses in 6/8 are on 1 and 4: Strong weak, Strong weak. One reason a composer would use 6/8 is to make it easier to notate as eighth notes rather than to use eighth note triplets in 2/4.

If you are looking for another time signature that is closer to 3/4 in feel, it would be 9/8. The pulses are Strong weak weak in both of these.

A key to help you understand how the composer wants the pulse to feel in these signatures is to notice how the eighth notes are beamed. If they are beamed in groups of 3, that indicates that 6/8 should feel like 2/4.

Rich
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/10/09 10:53 AM

I'm starting to work on the middle section of the "Prelude in D Minor" (I usually break a piece into study-sections based roughly on phrases, work on each separately for awhile and then put it all together) and when I came to the 15th & 16th measures (the 3rd & 4th measures of line 2 on the 2nd page) I came to a screeching halt and had to study the music for a little to figure out what was going on.

My final determination was that the 2 sets of 8th notes in measure 15 shown on the bass [/b] staff are to be played by the right [/b] hand because (1) the fingering as indicated is really twisted and torturous for the left hand and (2) there is no music indicated at all on the treble staff.

Now I know in the past when one hand played notes on the "opposite" staff there was usually some indication such as RH or LH as a guide, so they either forgot it here or figured by this stage you should be able to figure it out. But it did give me pause - did you find this to be the case with you when you played this piece?

Regards, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/10/09 02:13 PM

Yes, those are played with the right hand. The same figure occurs again on page 3. It really didn't give me any trouble, because when we got to those measures, my teacher said, "Use your right hand to play those." \:D
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/10/09 02:36 PM

In my case I had had my teacher play it for me and I saw that he had used his right hand, so I can't take any credit for having figured it out. JF, it's no wonder you don't need a teacher.

After having dealt with Prelude in C Minor at my lesson today, I talked my teacher into letting me skip forward to the Moonlight Sonata. I'll probably regret it, but I am anxious to try something serious, and I think I have most of the tools, but we'll see.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/10/09 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by IrishMak:
Yes, those are played with the right hand. The same figure occurs again on page 3. [/b]
Page 3? There's only 2 pages alloted for this piece in my All-In-One book. The figure is played again, but after the D.S. al Fine on this same page.

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It really didn't give me any trouble, because when we got to those measures, my teacher said, "Use your right hand to play those." \:D [/b]
:D
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/10/09 04:00 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by OldFingers:
In my case I had had my teacher play it for me and I saw that he had used his right hand, so I can't take any credit for having figured it out. JF, it's no wonder you don't need a teacher.
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Well, that remains to be seen in the long run. I've allowed for the possibility that as I move into more difficult repertoire some day (perhaps sooner than I would wish) I may be forced to give some serious consideration to engaging a teacher, if only on an occassional basis, to help with more complicated techniques and the finer points of artistic interpretation (especially with Classical works) - and learning the best ways to accompany singers and other instrumentalists, which I would like to be able to do in a very professional manner some day.

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After having dealt with Prelude in C Minor at my lesson today, I talked my teacher into letting me skip forward to the Moonlight Sonata. I'll probably regret it, but I am anxious to try something serious, and I think I have most of the tools, but we'll see. [/b]
Go for it Bob - good luck and have fun!

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/10/09 05:01 PM

Oldfingers...hmmm...the moonlight sonata. I am still working on the 1st 1 1/2 page. I love it, and my teacher said 'the sound was there' (which I took as a compliment), but the big (octave and 9th) right hand stretches combined with the fact that you actually have to play some stuff with the fingers in between...I have the feeling I lack some necessary relaxation somewhere. I feel tension in my hands that shouldn't be there. So I am trying to take care of that issue before going further. The volume stuff is pretty tricky as well. Have to play a loud melody with your right little finger, while playing a soft 'background tune' with the other fingers OF THE SAME HAND! Whaaah!

Oh, and John, I looked at your right hand/left hand passage (then at least I'm prepared when i get there myself). Just looking at it I guess I would have drawn the right conclusion because of that very low D that is dangling at the bottom side of the bass cleff. It's just impossible to play that lefthanded together with the other notes....but you're right usually they make some kind of remark to highlight the 'other hand' thing. We are probably supposed to become good at stuff like this without additional guidance once we got this far.

I am working on the classy rag this week. Special Day is over and done!!

Ingrid
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/10/09 05:45 PM

Yes, I think they assume you don't need any guidance anymore. I don't have Book3 (or any book), but they have probably mentioned it before. If you look at Moonlight Sonata, there are plenty of places like this.

As for playing Moonlight Sonata, as Ingrid say, if you are familiar with the things that she mentioned, then I think it is ok, otherwise it might be a little frustrating. But there is always different views on this. Some says that whatever technique you need to learn, you will learn it when you learn the piece. Others say that it is better to learn the technique first (on smaller pieces, e.g.) before you get to the bigger piece.

That sounding out the main melody while playing the "accompaniment" in soft tone needs some time and practice. If you have played piano before and are a restarter, I think it is ok. If you only study from Alfred series, then I would recommend wait till later. Not that I think you cannot do it, but it will be a little frustrating.

When I restarted, I found that my theory, chords, harmony, listening, sight reading etc have improved a lot over the years, so reading Moonlight Sonata is easy for me, so I am doing it. Years ago just the reading of it would have given me headache or caused me to stop.

But it is in Book 3, so of course you can if you want to. \:\)
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/10/09 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by John Frank:
Page 3? There's only 2 pages alloted for this piece in my All-In-One book. The figure is played again, but after the D.S. al Fine on this same page.

[/b]
Umm, yeah, sorry. I was looking at the piece from my copy that I used my notation software to print out for my "keepers" notebook. I spread it to 3 pages to make it easier to read on the smaller, 8x10 printed sheets. My bad, for not realizing...
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/10/09 07:00 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by IngridT:
Oldfingers...hmmm...the moonlight sonata. I am still working on the 1st 1 1/2 page. I love it, and my teacher said 'the sound was there' (which I took as a compliment), but the big (octave and 9th) right hand stretches combined with the fact that you actually have to play some stuff with the fingers in between...I have the feeling I lack some necessary relaxation somewhere. I feel tension in my hands that shouldn't be there. So I am trying to take care of that issue before going further. The volume stuff is pretty tricky as well. Have to play a loud melody with your right little finger, while playing a soft 'background tune' with the other fingers OF THE SAME HAND! Whaaah!
[/b]
Thanks for pointing out the pitfalls, which I am sure to fall into, but I think I'll try it for a couple of days. It's just that I have reached page 106 with the Ab exercises in front of me and I'm not inspired by the music I see in that section. Nor do I see anything in the remainder of the book that will help me with the sonata. So I really don't have any excuses.

I'm working on the first page and must admit to having difficulty figuring out the chords. Any suggestions?
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/10/09 07:20 PM

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I'm working on the first page and must admit to having difficulty figuring out the chords. Any suggestions?
It is mainly in C# minor (though it is hard to say that the whole is in C# minor because he cleverly changed from one part to another), but as a minor key, you would expect those familiar minor chords.

If you think C (Am rather) key, then you would expect Am, E7, Dm, those kind of keys, and basically you see the same thing except it is in C# minor key. The first measure is C#m inverted, of course.

But there are places where the tune changes to major tune, so you have E, A or A7, B7, Bm. etc.

Then there are place where there is progression. He changes one note at a time and beautiful leads to the next section, like E (inverted), Em (inverted), G7, etc.

If it is difficult to see it at first, just listen to it and feel it first, and close your eyes and don't think about the notes but the feel. They are familiar chords actually, just transposed to C#minor key, and they are often inverted too, so they don't look very familiar.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/10/09 07:31 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by DaveInMichigan:
It is mainly in C# minor (though it is hard to say that the whole is in C# minor because he cleverly changed from one part to another), but as a minor key, you would expect those familiar minor chords.
[/b]
I am ashamed to admit it, but I looked at the four sharps and was thinking Emajor even though the first chord was clearly C#-. Thanks for getting me off on the right footing. Please stand by as more questions will be forthcoming. You obviously know this piece very well indeed.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/10/09 08:06 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by DaveInMichigan:

If you think C (Am rather) key, then you would expect Am, E7, Dm, those kind of keys, and basically you see the same thing except it is in C# minor key.
[/b]
Dave, I'm going to press my luck a try for a free piano lesson tonight.

In Cmajor, the chords are Cmaj, Dmin7, Emin7, Fmaj, G7, Amin, Bmin7 flat 5. What are the chords associated with the relative minor Amin? Alfred's 3 discusses only the three triads Amin, Dmin, E7. How can I figure out the others given the three minor scales?

Bob
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/10/09 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by IngridT:

Oh, and John, I looked at your right hand/left hand passage (then at least I'm prepared when i get there myself). Just looking at it I guess I would have drawn the right conclusion because of that very low D that is dangling at the bottom side of the bass cleff. It's just impossible to play that lefthanded together with the other notes....but you're right usually they make some kind of remark to highlight the 'other hand' thing. We are probably supposed to become good at stuff like this without additional guidance once we got this far.

I am working on the classy rag this week. Special Day is over and done!!

Ingrid [/b]
Yes, I noticed that large stretch between the low D and the other notes (a 10th or 11th) and there's no way for me to do that

I'm trying my best to finish off "Classy Rag" - I can play all the sections fine and at tempo, but when I try to put it all together there's always some dumb mistake - except that the mistake pops up at a different place each time - maybe it's the overall length, which is 52 measures with repeats and playing the intro as a Coda - but I'll keep beating on it until I get a good recording.

Regards, JF
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/10/09 08:55 PM

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What are the chords associated with the relative minor Amin?
Hi Bob, while I like to read about theoretical stuffs, I didn't go through music school formally, so my answers might be incomplete (or can be heredetic too). ;\)

In general, any chord can go with any chord, but there are certain chords and progressions that are pleasing (and what is pleasing is subjective and cultural too).

But given something like Moonlight Sonata which many find so pleasing, you can pretty much tell that the chords are not strange or eccentric.

I don't know all the chords commonly associated with minor keys, especially since there are natural minor, harmonic minor, and melodic minor (and Beethoven is playing with those in Moonlight Sonata).

But if play these chords going up:
Am E7 Am Dm E7

and these chords going down:
Am G F E E7

They should sound familiar (and harmonious, nothing strange or odd). You can also invert them and play them and in any kind of broken style.

Then if you transpose those to C# minor (or E key signature) and play those, and invert those and play them (as full chord and broken), they will sound familiar too, and you will find them in Moonlight.

Maybe if you try the above as a suggested exercise until you are familiar with the sound, then when you approach Moonlight, you will feel easier (and it is a joy too when you can say, "ah, I know what Beethoven is doing here."
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/11/09 10:38 PM

 Quote:
Originally posted by DaveInMichigan:

But if play these chords going up:
Am E7 Am Dm E7

and these chords going down:
Am G F E E7
[/b]
Dave, what do you mean by "going up" and "going down".

 Quote:
Originally posted by DaveInMichigan:

... and it is a joy too when you can say, "ah, I know what Beethoven is doing here." [/b]
Dave, I couldn't agree more. It's really neat being able to understand how the chord sequence affects the trajectory of the overall sound.

Thanks for your generosity in sharing your knowledge with me.

Bob
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/11/09 11:53 PM

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Dave, what do you mean by "going up" and "going down".
What I mean is not just playing the chord in root position (although you can too), but play it in some ascending order, for example (the following are notes, not chord)

C E A (for Am key), then
D (E) G# B (for E7)
E A C (for Am again but note the inversion)
F A D (for Dm)
G# B E (for E or E7)

so instead of playing just the chord, you are actually using the chords to make melody too.

Then break the chord in any way you want but do the progression. We are not talking about serious composition here, but just enjoy them, like

For Am, play A C E C E C A E A E C E C, etc. (don't even have to think, just play any way on the notes of Am), then move to E7 and do the same, the move to Am....

And you will be an instant mini-Beethoven. (ok, my strange sense of humor. I am a newbie here, so I hope I am offending anyone especially those doing serious composition. I am just joking). \:\)

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Thanks for your generosity in sharing your knowledge with me.
Just remember that I am not a musician, music major and teacher or anything. I am just a restarter but I never really stopped in the past, and I like reading, including some theoretical stuffs. I am sharing what I know, but they can be wrong or not fully accurate in strict musical terms.

But I am a little concerned that I might be talking too much in an Alfred Book 3 thread though. It might be a little distracting/bothering to some. I don't know if we should move this to a separate thread.... but if no one objects, I don't mind doing it here either.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/12/09 05:37 AM

 Quote:
Originally posted by DaveInMichigan:

But I am a little concerned that I might be talking too much in an Alfred Book 3 thread though. It might be a little distracting/bothering to some. I don't know if we should move this to a separate thread.... but if no one objects, I don't mind doing it here either. [/b]
Dave - I, for one, have absolutely no objections - in fact I strongly encourage you to continue to participate here, including offfering us your ideas about music theory in general, and the application of it to specific pieces we're working on.

At this stage of our developement we probably should be discussing some music theory now and then.

I've worked my way thru both "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Music Theory" and "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Arranging and Orchestration" so I know a little about these things now (I'm a certified "Complete Idiot" \:D ) and might just jump into your discussions once in awhile.

Regards, JF

Edited to add that inspite of their titles the two books I mentioned above are, in fact, nicely written and, as introductions to their respective subjects, very informative.
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/12/09 07:50 AM

 Quote:
But I am a little concerned that I might be talking too much in an Alfred Book 3 thread though. It might be a little distracting/bothering to some. I don't know if we should move this to a separate thread.... but if no one objects, I don't mind doing it here either.

Hey Dave (InMichigan)! The moonlight sonata is part of Alfred's book 3, so don't worry!!

And Oldfingers... also about the monlight sonata:

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Thanks for pointing out the pitfalls, which I am sure to fall into, but I think I'll try it for a couple of days
I didn't mean to discourage you! I am glad you are picking it up, and looking forward to share our progress! (or lack of it, I haven't played it at all the last few days. i am re-polishing my Satie pieces, which I had been neglecting for a few weeks, and I was not glad to find out that that had a significant impact on the quality of my playing. GRRR! Keeping up some limited type of 'repertoire' is not easy. At least not for me.)

Ingrid
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/12/09 07:29 PM

I see no problem keeping the Moonlight conversation here, in fact after Fur Elise its on my to do list. I did a watered down version two years ago and look forward to the full version.

Mark...

PS: IngridT, I was toying with a Satie piece at the music store while I was waiting for my lesson and one of the other piano teachers asked me what was the name of the piece and how must she liked it. I only played like 4 measure too... \:D
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/12/09 09:35 PM

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Originally posted by DaveInMichigan:

.. so instead of playing just the chord, you are actually using the chords to make melody too.
[/b]
Dave, I get it, you are just inverting the chords such that you can have a chromatic progression on top to make a simple melody.

When you look at "moonlight sonata" from this point of view, the melody is unbelievably simple, but the chords underneath the melody and the way they are played make it so beautiful.

I've managed to play through the first page very very slowly, but I can handle the 9th so I don't think there is going to be a deal-breaker. But getting all four pages to speed with some musicality will be something else.


 Quote:
Originally posted by DaveInMichigan:

But I am a little concerned that I might be talking too much in an Alfred Book 3 thread though. It might be a little distracting/bothering to some. I don't know if we should move this to a separate thread.... but if no one objects, I don't mind doing it here either. [/b]
I got you into this discussion as a result of my work in Alfred's Book 3. When I got to the last section of new theory for the Ab major scale, I couldn't generate any enthusiasm for the pieces in that section and none of them had anything to do with the sonata, so I jumped forward. So not to worry, it's my fault. Besides, with Ingrid, JF, Mark and me on board, we have a quorum.

Thanks again for your help. I have some more questions but I'd ask then at another time.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/13/09 07:26 AM

Mak is probably with us on theory discussions, and so would be piano4 and Cyborg . . .haven't heard much from those latter two lately though . . .

Currently trying to (1) put the finishing touches on Handel's Minuet No. 1 from the Royal Fireworks Suite and (2) still get a decent recording of "A Classy Rag" while continuing to plow thru the Clementi Prelude piece.

Also started my "concurrent review" process of selected Book 3 pieces & currently hammering "Super, Special, Silly, Stupid, Sucky Song" (or whatever it's called) into submission! \:D

Regards, JF

Historical footnote: Clementi was considered the most highly skilled and technically dymanic pianist of his time - he was a contemporary of Mozart and they once met in a head-to-head competition where it was generally agreed that Clementi came out slightly on top from the standpoint of "dazzling the audience", although it was conceded by most that Mozart was a little smoother, polished, more accurate and with much better improvisational skills (from the book "The Great Pianists" by Harold Schoenberg).
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/13/09 10:04 AM

Oh, yeah, I am definitely in favor of the theory discussions. It does help to know how a piece is put together, and it certainly can make it easier to see the framework underneath all the embellishments. I may not always comment, but I read with much interest.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/13/09 11:21 AM

Having worked through Alfred's Level 3 I'm supposed to know the circle of fifths. We'll see. The piece is C# minor so we would expect to see the chords C#-, F#- and G#7. The first measure starts with C#-, which goes to C#-7/B, which I guess is OK but then I see the third measure as an A or A7 which is a huge key change (to me) to Dmajor. But instead of going to D, it goes to D7 which is another key change to Gmajor. But instead of going to G, it goes to G#7 , which resolves to C#-, so we are back in C#-. Wow, that's a lot of action for five measures.

Am I thinking about this the right way?
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/13/09 12:28 PM

Hi all! My instructor is pushing me on "Toccata" and for me the fingering in that is I've taken a look at "Moonlight Sonata' and decided LATER :-). Happy Playing and take care!
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/13/09 01:08 PM

Hey!

 Quote:
Originally posted by DaveInMichigan:

.. so instead of playing just the chord, you are actually using the chords to make melody too.
Moonlight Sonata is in fact a popsong???!!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

(at least that's how I learned to play popsongs. inverting chords to turn them into a melody!)

Ingrid
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/13/09 03:14 PM

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Moonlight Sonata is in fact a popsong???!!!!
It certainly looks like it is.... just that it remains popular longer than many/most popsongs.

\:\)
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/14/09 02:55 PM

Dave, your comments on my analysis would be appreciated. There's no point moving forward until I've got the first part correct.

Ingrid, don't you find that it is easier to play when you write down the chord sequence?
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/14/09 03:36 PM

Hi, OF, sorry I didn't see your post before. I saw Ingrid's post and I thought that was the latest post.

On other forums that I subscribed to, whenever there is a new post on a thread, there is a special symbol that I can click, and it will show the threading starting[/b] from the new post. I can't seem to find similar thing on this forum. Is there such a thing here?

It is nice that you are stuyding the circle of fifth, but chord progression doesn't always follow that. That are many different progressions. Some are more common for particular period or styles (like jazz, blues), but as in any arts form, the composer/creator can make deliberate, sometimes sudden or strange changes that make the artworks interesting.

I have meant to put some simple scores here, but I haven't downloaded the free lilypond notation software yet. But assuming we are familiar with the notation of 1=do, 2=re, 3=mi etc. please try this in C key (and the reason I am doing this is because when we are beginning, it is easier for us to see/feel things in C key, but the purpose of this is to show that in Moonlight Sonata, it is something similar but just in another key)

right hand:
361 361 361 361 | 361 361 361 361 | 461 461 47b2 47b2 | 35#2 361 367 25#7 | 136 361 361 361 |

left hand playing chord:
Am - - - | C(bass G) - - - | F - Bb(base D) - | E7 Am(bass E) E7 - | Am

Play each 3 notes as triplets, and play the last note of each triplet as a higher note, so for the first measure, it is E A high C instead of E A C.

Now the analysis part (and different people will come up with a slightly different analysis, like if you analyse a piece of artwork, some will say the artist is using complementary scheme so he wants some blue here, others might say, oh he is not doing complementary scheme here, he just throws in some different hue for contrast, so analysises(?) might be different, and that is ok)....

You notice that the first two measures are basically Am chord on the right hand side. The chord that I put for left hand, however, goes from Am to C. In this case I don't the purpose is to change chord, the purpose is to stay in Am but the bass walks down to F. C chord has the 13 part, so it works well with the Am, just the bass walking down from A to G and then to F.

The change from F to Bb is an interesting one that you asked. It is hard to explain, but it makes nice tone going from F to Bb (a perfect 4th). Then it goes to E7.

We note at least 2 things Beethoven is doing: first, when going to one chord to another, he keeps the changes in notes to the minimal (so it doesn't sound abrupt). Second, the chords are familiar and familiar chords for minor keys.

In additional to the above, he also use inversion to bring out the bass, so the bass go (downward) A G F D E E A. You should just play the bass progression a few times until you completely feel the muscicality and beauty of it.

And singing it out helps a lot too in bringing out the feeling part. Like I hold out my hands and sing it out as if I am the best opera singer with a great bass tone: la- sol- fa- re- mi- mi- la.

So my analysis (again, different people will have different one) is for the first 5 measures, the right hand is just broken chords and function more like accompaniment, whereas the bass carry the melody and it does that beautifully.

I hope you will try the above. Of course you can do it in C# minor, but try to see the analysis first in C key. Maybe everyone is different, but when I was younger/newer, I was able to see things clearer in C key as that is the key we started with.

Then appreciate the same thing in C#m. \:\)

Hope this is a little useful to anyone interested.
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/14/09 03:54 PM

PS: I should add that although I put 4 chords for measure 5, Moonlight Sonata doesn't have it that way. It is useful to see what is going on with the chords, however, even though in Moonlight Sonata, only the bass is used.
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/15/09 10:07 AM

Well, I mentioned before that I was going to check out Burgmuller's 25 Progressive Pieces, Opus 100[/b] through interlibrary loan. I have it now. It looks pretty good. Easy (Alfred Book3 people can certainly do it).

But the nice thing is that you can see that he is handling different techniques (like for thirds, for legato, for fingering, etc.) in each short piece. I think for some that do not like too strict or formal finger exercises like Hanon, this is a good book to consider in additional to any repertoire book that you might want to work with.

Here is one paragraph from the back end:

"His Opus 100, originally entitled 25 Etudes faciles et progressives, composees et doigtees expressement pour l-etendue des petites mains is his most famous work. It well deserves an important place in the teaching literature for young pianists because of the many characteristic technical problems that are dealt with in a variety of pleasing selections. Through this medium the student is exposed to the problems of phrasing, dynamics and other elements of musical expression."
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/15/09 04:15 PM

Dave, this might seem strange to you but I would rather think in the key in which the piece was written. Otherwise I have to transpose your analysis from Am to C#- and that doesn't come easily to me. Is there any chance you would redo your analysis in C#-?
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/15/09 07:10 PM

OF, just start with the first two measures and you will see what I mean exactly. Really. \:\)

It is completely applicable in any key.

As it is for analysis only, you don't have to play it perfectly. Just press the keys to make the sound, and slowly press the Am and C keys, which I am sure you are familiar with.

And then the analysis part is exactly the same if I write for C#m or for Am. But please do two measures. There is a secret hidden there, so please try it. \:\) And after you do 2 measures, you might be lured into finishing the next 3 which is pretty simple in C key too.

Then I can give you the chords in C#m if need help on that, but they analysis is the same.
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/17/09 06:14 PM

Hello everybody!

Time for a small update. Moonlight is kind of brewing in the background right now. I have the feeling something needs to settle in my mind (or in my hands) before I'll move on with it. I like the theory discussion though. And I'll keep on playing around with it. I secretly wish I could cover a nine, but I know that's not an excuse (my teacher can't stretch mOre then an octave & she's doing pretty well!). Like I saDs, the bit I am playing so far sounds pretty much OK for a start, but it doesn't 'feel' completely right yet.

Also I have the idea it's time for a few more straightforward pieces out of the 'normal' part of the Alfred's book. Very special day is done, and I am now working on the classy rag. Nice piece! But a lot of 'jumpy' movements.

I'm also playing a lot of Satie again. Like I said, I really want to keep those Gnossiennes in repertoire, but that only works when you keep on playing them! (at least for me). I feel such a real beginner when I don't have a few pieces to just play (even without a score) when I run into a piano somewhere (or when somebody asks for a tune in my home). After 2 years of playing I think that's something I should be able to handle.


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originally posted by Mark...

PS: IngridT, I was toying with a Satie piece at the music store while I was waiting for my lesson and one of the other piano teachers asked me what was the name of the piece and how must she liked it. I only played like 4 measure too...

How nice that you made such a good impression with your Satie Mark! Was it the gymnopedie? How is it coming along?? I'm just wondering...is he a well known composer in the US?? Here in Europe most people that are into pianoplaying know him, or at least recognize his most 'famous' pieces. Funny differences between Europe & the US maybe? (by the way, my pianoteacher never heard of this new age composer David Nevue that is so popular here on the forum. Is he an american??)

Did some of you guys participate in the recital by the way? I scrolled through real quickly (no time to listen yet) and I saw John, and I think Mark. I'll check it out tomorrow. I really want to try out some recording stuff as well. It's weird posting here all the time and not being able to actually share some sound. Do you guys have some real recording equipment? The only thing we have in the house so far that is able to record is a mobile phone. Is probably not the ideal quality...

Ingrid

PS....Oh! I forgot...just yesterday I noticed that all of a sudden I obtained such a nice member rating!!
Whoever it was.....thanks!!!!!!!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/17/09 07:08 PM

Ingrid - I submitted the "Serenade" piece to the Recital - and yes, Mark does have a piece there too, but nobody else that I noticed. You should listen to all the pieces and then post comments in the General Discussion thread.

I found out in doing some research on the history of the String Quartet that it's taken from that it wasn't composed by Haydn after all, but by a Benedictine monk named Roman Hoffstetter (I detail this a little in my remarks in the Recital writeup) - Book 3 still gives credit to Haydn.

I record through an analog-to-digital converter called Presonus which then goes direct to a program on my computer called Cubase (various versions available) and convert the file to an mp3 using the built-in conversion program in Windows. This is not the typical procedure, nor the easiest. For tips on how to best record see the section about it in the thread "Important Topics on The Adult Beginners Forum" always near the top of the thread list.

Hope you're having mostly fun playing and learning - I know I am! I'm working on 3 separate pieces in Book 3 plus 2 other pieces now, and still trying to get a good recording of them all.

Regards, JF
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/17/09 08:08 PM

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Moonlight is kind of brewing in the background right now. I have the feeling something needs to settle in my mind (or in my hands) before I'll move on with it.
Hi Ingrid, I think that is a good decision. Don't push yourself too far beyond what you can comfortably do now because that will lead to frustration.

I don't know your background, but for people who just completed Book3 without other prior background, I would actually not recommend doing Moonlight Sonata.

If someone really likes to play it though, my recommendation would be to play a few short pieces that have triplets to get the feel, then play a few pieces that is in minor key (doesn't even have to be C#m, just minor keys so we can be familiar with the tune/feel), then perhaps a few short and easy pieces in C#m. After that, it will be easier to approach Moonlight.

For some that might take a couple of months, others longer, but then when you do Moonlight, it takes shorter time to learn, so you are not really losing anything. My approach in learning and teaching (not teaching piano, however) is in general this way. Other teachers might disagree though.
Posted by: angelojf

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/19/09 08:03 AM

Hi Book Three Folks,

I am currently in Book One of the All in One Course, and I've just finished that tune called "Good People" on p.117. Here are my questions to you more advanced Book 3 folks:

Are you capable of going back to pieces in Books 1 and 2 and now sight read them and play them smoothly? Like the piece "Good People?" Or will it take you a day or so to be refamiliarize yourself with them?

My concern is that although I am up to p.119 @ this point, it would take me some getting refamiliarized with previously learned pieces if I wanted to play them again.

Is that normal and to be expected?

Thanks again, and congratulations to all who are in the land of Book 3 or beyond.

-Angelo
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/19/09 11:09 AM

Ingrid-

Don't look for me in the recital. I'm not there! LOL

As for updates, I'm on my own for a couple weeks. My teacher is getting married this week and is not teaching this week or next. If I can keep myself on track with practice, I may be able to make some progress with the pieces I'm working on. Either that, or the procrastinator in me will put off the "work" part and just do "fun" stuff!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/19/09 01:39 PM

Angelo - see my response to your question in your new thread with the same topic/questions. JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/19/09 09:28 PM

I have become completely obsessed with the "Moonlight Sonata". Last week I prepared the first two pages and my teacher was quite pleased with my progress. He encouraged me to move onto the next two pages which I have now done, albeit very poorly. But I now have marked out all the chords for the entire piece and find they are all doable. Although my fingers are indeed "old" they manage to reach the ninths without pain and I must say it is a thrill to play them in this piece.

Dave, I must apologize for being a poor student of theory but I am too lazy to transpose your Am version of the Sonata. I'm perfectly happy working in C#-, so if you'd like to do your analysis in that key I'd be happy to study it. One question I have, however, is with your identification of chords in the left and right hands. For the most part, aren't the notes in the LH elements of the same chord in the RH?

Like Mak, I'm not in the recital either. I can't seem to overcome the fear of the red dot.
Posted by: DaveInMichigan

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/19/09 11:08 PM

Hi OF,

Actually I tried to surprised because I thought most people were more familiar with Am key, so I used the familiar chords, but actually what I typed above is Moonlight Sonata in Am key.

The chords, if transposed to C#m minor would be:

left hand playing chord:
C#m - - - | E(bass B) - - - | A - D (base A) - | G#7 C#m(bass G#) G#7 - | C#m

But if you have written the chord out in C#m keys, you have done the same thing. I was going to point out that the chords are familar chords, and the right hand is just playing the broken chords. I think you got that already by your own analysis. \:\)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/20/09 01:38 PM

Hi all - Just about to wrap up the Prelude in D minor and noticed the note at the end about now trying the Bach Prelude at the beginning of the Ambitious Section - looks like a lot of 16th notes all run together - those of you who tried this piece at this point, did you feel that you were ready for it, and how did you make out with it?

Also, I see that the next Book 3 piece in line is the "Star Spangled Banner" - where did I hear that before? \:D I can't think of a song that's been "butchered" more often than this one (sometimes on purpose) - I was never that crazy about this as our National Anthem and always thought that "America, the Beautiful" was much better (and a whole lot easier to sing) - maybe we need to get a movement going to change that

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/20/09 05:59 PM

I got away from "Star Spangled Banner" because it is a too nice of a song to butcher" and I just was not getting!!

I'll be on Toccata In D for a while! I think anything from Bach will be a great challenge! His fingering (according to my instructor) is pretty exact!

Good luck!
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/20/09 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by John Frank:
- those of you who tried this piece at this point, did you feel that you were ready for it, and how did you make out with it?
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John, I went "Prelude in C Major" as directed and found that the "Prelude in D Minor" was good preparation for playing the piece. As we have discussed before, I worked out the chords first and found that to be a great help in learning to play it. Apparently teachers like to use this piece to show how chord sequences relate to the sound of the piece. It's pretty neat. I played it a little slower than my teacher, but he was very satisfied with my version. You can do it!

Bob
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/20/09 07:44 PM

Bob - thanks for the info & encouragement! I usually work out the chords to every piece and write them on the music too.

piano4 - when I said that the "Star Spangled banner' was butchered I was referring to all the strained & off-key and mangled vocal [/b] versions I've heard over the years before various sporting events, etc. (including many singers forgetting the words) From what I understand the melody (which jumps all over the place is an old English drinking song - and I sometimes think that you have to be about half "tanked' to hit some of the notes! \:\)

Regards, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/21/09 12:01 PM

The Star-Spangled Banner is one of the most difficult pieces for anyone to sing. It's an octave and a half in range, starts in the lower register and moves really fast into the high end. That top note, on "the land of the free," is a high F. Not a lot of singers can sing that kind of range easily. And the mistake a lot of them make is starting too high. Then you're sunk when you have to try for that top note. I definitely prefer playing it on the piano!
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/24/09 05:31 PM

Hey! We fell back all the way to page 2 of the forum. I don't like that!!

Oldfingers...still obsessed by the moonlight sonata?? It's so much fun to work on a piece that really 'grabs' you! I'm still giving it a rest, but I may be back soon!

John...I was as obsessed by the prelude in C major as Oldfingersd is by the moonlight. I loved it! And am still playing it. I found it fairly straightforward once I got the 'feeling' of how it's built up. But the real challenge is to make it sound the way it should. Kind of flowing and smooth, but still with a kind of well contained 'excitement' in there that avoids the pitfall of it sounding very boring. It's easy to play it as a 'warming up exercise'. Very metronome tempo, same volume throughout. But is't a real challenge to make it sound good. And a fun one as well. Since just playing the notes is not that difficult one can really work on the dynamics etc to turn it into (oh boy, there I go again, sorry!) a 'real piece of music'.

I'm doing things the other way around by the way. I'm now starting on the Clementi prelude in D that was supposed to be the preparation for this one. We'll see in the coming days how that's going to work.

Classy Rag is as good as done. Nice piece. But I struggle with the same problem as you, John. Its so jumpy, there's a mistake happening somewhere, everytime I play it. or I get so concentrated on my hands that I'm messing up the order of all the repeat sections that are in there. GRRR!

An then on to that star spangled banner I guess. Isn't that a kind of US national anthem? Kind of Obama inaugeration stuff? It's sometimes a bit of a disadvantage for a european, to use US books. It would be fun for a change to play a dutch or european 'classic', however overplayed they might be, instead of those US evergreens (or maybe it's an advantage after all. For me the star spangled banner may sound a lot 'fresher' then to the average american. But these anthem-like songs aren't really my type of music anyway...)

Ingrid

PS...John. Did I read somewhere else that you practice 3-5 hrs/day???!!! Every day??!!

Wow!!!

Where do you find the time???
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/24/09 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by IngridT:

Oldfingers...still obsessed by the moonlight sonata??
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Ingrid: Yes! It's quite weird actually. Many years ago when I was enamored with golf, I'd hit golf balls again and again, every once in a while catching one on the sweet spot, which would entice me to hit more. Well it's a similar thing with the Moonlight Sonata. I'll play a section over and over and every once in a while I'll get it right and it feels great, and I'll play it again and again.

I've been at it for two weeks and can "play" it through. Now I'm trying to smooth out the rough spots and think about the musicality. At my lesson today we talked about the chord progressions, as I understand you are doing with the Prelude in C Major, so that I can see (hear) where the music is going. I can't say I understand it fully, but I get the idea, sort of.

When I started Alfred's Level 2 a little over a year ago, I would not have dreamed that I could learn to play the Moonlight Sonata. I am very grateful for the Alfred series, and my teacher, of course, who supplemented the lessons perfectly.

Bob
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/24/09 07:09 PM

John Frank, I definitely agree with your statement.... I just don't want to be butchering "The Star Spangled Banner" on piano \:D
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 02/25/09 07:39 AM

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Originally posted by IngridT:

PS...John. Did I read somewhere else that you practice 3-5 hrs/day???!!! Every day??!!

Wow!!!

Where do you find the time??? [/b]
Ingrid - yes, you did read that somewhere else, and yes, I typically do practice 3-5 hours per day on most (but not every) days - I do this in 3 separate sessions: morning, afternoon and early evening, working on different pieces in each one. Doesn't everybody have that much time? ;\)

Regards, JF

P.S. be aware of (or beware of) the "cut time" time signature on the Prelude in D Minor as was discussed above.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/03/09 02:40 PM

Given that this thread has almost disappeared from the ABF I might be talking to myself, but I thought I'd give an update on my work on Moonlight Sonata. Having now made it all the way through with only a couple of rough spots remaining, I am now confronted with the problem of high-lighting the melody notes. A few months ago the problem was how to play the left hand more quietly than the right, but now it is how to play the right thumb more softly than the right pinky. Any suggestions?
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/04/09 05:10 AM

Oldfingers!

You're not talking to yourself! I'm still here! Somehow I lost my login-password for pianoworld during the changeover to the new format. For some weird reason I never had to log-in in the old version, so I never used the password, and had to retrieve it through pianoworld. But did it! Even re-established my old avatar, and upgraded the format to something that is pleasing to the eye!

Seems that I wasn't the only one that disappeared during the black out period! Where's all the rest? Especially John, who always keeps us on page 1 with at least an every-other-day update! (I would manage that if I did 5 hrs exercise a day! That would allow for a lot of regular updates! Ha!)

Anyway, I got the classy rag in the pocket, and am almost done with the clementi prelude. No more spectacular stuff, I'm having 3 birthdays in the family in 2 weeks time, so am a bit busy with other things.

On a broader musical note...I am currently also working with the kids on a primitive type of school 'orchestra'. We got all the instrument playing kids together, and divided them into smaller groups, and are now preparing some pieces to play at a real performance thing planned for may or june. It's fun! We've got pianos (of course!),violins, flutes, sax, jembes, guitars, and you name it. Really nice to work with those kids. Fortunately my piano teacher is helping out a bit with the repertoire, and transposing/adapting some stuff were necessary.

And Oldfingers...on the moonlight sonata...

Getting that melody to stand out out was for me the most complicated part of the piece (and probably one of the reasons I put it on hold for a while)

Are you able to play al the octaves an ninths (and the stuff in between) with 'relaxed' hands?? While keeping them 'on the keys'?

For me it helped a lot to kind of release your other fingers from the keys when playing the pinky-melody (I had to do that anyway, bacause my hands certainly don't make the ninth, en got all stressed when playing the octaves-and-stuff-in-between).

But this approach gives you (at least that's how I felt it) more strength in the pinky to make that melody louder.

Disadvantage is of course that you 'lose' your fingersetting for the next few notes (since there's a lot of repetitive broken-chords.

Good luck!!

Ingrid

oh, and PS, Oldfingers!

Originally Posted By: OldFingers
A few months ago the problem was how to play the left hand more quietly than the right, but now it is how to play the right thumb more softly than the right pinky. Any suggestions?



At least we're making progress!! (eehm. YOU are making progress!) it's a never-ending journey though, I guess!
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/04/09 10:31 AM

I'm here, tho there has been really no progress to report. I haven't had a lesson in 3 weeks, so I'm pretty much cruising along where I was. Did I mention (I'm too lazy to go look!) that we cleared Toreador Song? Rock-A My Soul is still giving me problems with rhythm in s few spots, but it's slowly, slowly coming along. We picked up the Heller Prelude in E flat, and it took me a few tries to get the feel of it, but I think I'm doing ok on the first part, at least. And still working on the first 2 pieces in Meir's Romantic Impressions Book 1. I think we will call the first one "done" next week.

I have not ventured (as yet) into the Ambitious section of the Alfred's book. Those pieces look too scary!
Posted by: dukeofhesse

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/04/09 12:51 PM

Hello all you book three'ers of whom I am so envious. I am nearing the end of book one, about to start on book two and was wondering if I could get some quick feedback on how long people have taken to get through book two. I know it's influenced by lots of variables, but among those of you who primarily just studied the Alfred's All in one book two, how long did it take you to complete it?

I hear it's much more difficult than book one.
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/04/09 01:21 PM

Well, it took me about a year, but that was with some supplemental items in there, as well. And I didn't push super hard to finish it in a hurry, either.

And I can't compare to how long it took compared to Book 1, since I didn't use that one.
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/04/09 03:37 PM

I finished book 1 & 2 in about 1 1/2 year. Book 1 was a lot faster then book 2 by the way. I guess book 1 took 4-5 months, and book 2 about a year. but during book 2 I did quite a lot of stuff 'on the side'. I played from what you guys call fake books (still do that by the way, it's good for learning chords, and fun to play popular music, or childrens tunes). I also do weekly etudes (what you call hanon I think), and I had a large 'special projects' over the last summer, which was learning all 6 Gnossiennes by Satie.

No real idea how slow slow or fast I am. But I'm having fun, and that's the most important! (for the record, I'm 43 and never played an instrument before)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/05/09 11:20 AM

Originally Posted By: dukeofhesse
I am nearing the end of book one, about to start on book two and was wondering if I could get some quick feedback on how long people have taken to get through book two.
I hear it's much more difficult than book one.


It took me about 3 years combined to get thru Books 1 & 2 - not sure exactly how long on each, but sure that Book 2 took longer than Book 1 - also working on numerous other pieces from other sources simultaneously - and yes, Book 2 is more difficult than Book 1 (as you would expect and as you should hope), but the approach is gradual so that if you're persistent and consistent you shouldn't have too much trouble.

Finished off the "Prelude in D Minor" with a fairly good recording, but not quite up to the ideal tempo - currently working on the "Star Spangled Banner" and finding it not very challenging (even the tremolo part is easier than I thought it would be) - I have changed their recommended fingering in about 7 or 8 places to make it (I believe) easier, and I'm finding myself doing this much more frequently now in most of the Book 3 pieces - also working on a neat little Minuet in A minor by Johann Kreiger (a contemporary of Bach, I think) from the 1st volume of Alfred's Essential Keyboard Repertoire - in addition, working on the hymn "It Is Well With My Soul" which has a very beutiful melody.

Regards, JF

P.S. Yes, I'm still around - just been very busy lately - will try to check in a little more frequently - anyone heard from our "founder" Mark? - he seems to be MIA since some of us newbies showed up here.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 03/05/09 11:50 AM

Originally Posted By: dukeofhesse
... but among those of you who primarily just studied the Alfred's All in one book two, how long did it take you to complete it?


Before I started Alfred, my lessons were focussed on playing from a fake book so I had learned the scales, many chords, inversions and voicings. A year and a half ago I decided to learn to read all the notes and started with Alfred's level 2. It took me about six months to complete. Last spring I started on Alfred's level 3 which I am about to finish. It was more difficult than level 2, but with more effort nothing was insurmountable and many of the pieces were quite rewarding. Unlike others in this thread I worked exclusively on the pieces in Alfred as I wanted to complete the series as quickly as possible. It's amazing that I am now very comfortable reading all the notes. Here-to-fore, I never thought I could have done it. Three cheers for Alfred.
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/05/09 11:18 PM

I'm here too! I haven't been on computer keyboard except to do grad papers! I am still progressing on Toccata... I'm starting the third page:-). Also, I've started Hanon and this may sound strange but I didn't realize I could play the first one at the tempo of 65!!! My instructor mentioned that I should put that on youtube:-) I'll think about that. Good luck on Moonlight Sonata, and Meir and all other fine works. Take care everyone!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/15/09 07:14 AM

Here's a personal update:

Will finish up "The Star Spangled Banner" this week in Book 3.

Also just finished work on a neat little Minuet (in the lovely key of A Minor) by the German Johann Kreiger (a contemporary of Bach & Handel). I have a good recording of this which might just show up in a Monthly Piano Bar or the next ABF Recital

Still working on the hymn "This is My Father's World", a great video of which can be found here in this thread in the ABF (the 9th post):

Favorite Video Thread

How are you all doing?

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/15/09 03:21 PM

JF, glad to hear of your progress. I continue to work on the Moonlight Sonata and probably will for the rest of my life. I can play all of the parts OK, but not all OK at one time, if you know what I mean. I'm also a little confused about the proper way to play the ninths. There is a U-tube video of Kempf playing the sonata in which all of the dissonance has been eliminated, which means laying off of the RH thumb. For some reason I can't bring myself to do this, even though I know it sounds better.

My final piece of work in Book 3 is Fur Elise which is also proving to be a challenge. The first two sections are OK, but when I hit the third section I have to slow down to a crawl.

My teacher suggested I try some Satie next. We'll see.
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/15/09 08:26 PM

So far so good! I'm on the third page of Toccata and on Hanon #2. I'm getting some of the Communion songs from last year so I can get ready (somewhat) for this year's group practices.

Even though this is taking me a bit more time ( and it's worth it) I'm enjoying Bach! Haven't forgotten any of my pop songs....I'll get to those a little later.

Take care all!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/16/09 10:21 AM

Originally Posted By: OldFingers
JF, glad to hear of your progress. I continue to work on the Moonlight Sonata and probably will for the rest of my life. I can play all of the parts OK, but not all OK at one time, if you know what I mean.


Yes, I know very well what you mean - I've had the same problem putting it all together on several pieces - I think the ability to do that depends a lot on the particular piece in question, but also is a skill that will slowly come to us with much more practice over much more time - this is especially true where you work on a piece real hard for awhile, then let it go as you move on to more demanding pieces, and then come back to that piece to review it and finally nail it down - I've had this happen a number of times thru the Alfred series.

I finally turned back and took a good look at the "Moonlight" and it consists of a continuous series of triplets! And the clef sign changes several times on the upper staff! The left hand looks like it is playing mostly octaves. Glad you're working on it and not me - although I will eventually - could be a very difficult piece to memorize because the RH triplet pattern is never broken and it would be easy to get confused or lose one's place. I think for now I'll stay out of the "Ambitious Section" - the rest of Book 3 is certainly ambitious enough for me at this stage!

Originally Posted By: OldFingers

My teacher suggested I try some Satie next. We'll see.


The Minuet I'm working on is in the "Essential Keyboard Repertoire" series (Vol.1) which was one of the advanced series that the guy from Alfred recommended some time back in a previous post, although I think he talked about starting with Book 2 or 3 after Alfred 3. The format is very nice, the pieces are enjoyable and the books all come with a CD of the recorded pieces - this could be one of several places for you to go eventually (with the approval of your teacher).

Regards, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/18/09 10:19 AM

Had a lesson (finally!) on Tuesday. Due to a few things that came up for both my teacher and I (including her getting married!), I hadn't seen her for 3 weeks. It was one of "those" lessons:

The 2 Martha Mier pieces are coming along pretty well. The first is just about done. I have to work on smoothing a series of chord progrssions in the right hand, but that was about the only tripping point there. The second needs some overall smoothing, and getting the eighth notes to fit in the 3/4 time signature more correctly.

Alfred's- Variations on a Sea Chanty (it's the "What Do You Do With a Drunken Sailor" one) is just fun to play! I like it. Need to work on speed on that one.

Rock-A My Soul. *sigh* This one has become the bane of my existence right now!! The second page is just not coming together. Here's how the lesson went:

Her: Play that one measure for me.
Me: *plays*
Her: Again
Me: *plays*
Her: Play the right hand.
Me: *plays*
Her: Play the left hand.
Me: *plays*
Her: Again
Me: *plays*
Her: Now let's get those dotted notes right.
Me: *plays*
Her: Again. Again. Again.
It ended with her saying that one measure is what she wants me to work on this week. Get it right. If it starts to fall apart, work hands separately again. IF I get it worked out, then go on to the next measure.

At least I now have something concrete to concentrate on, and I know a bit more solidly where the problem is. I was floundering a bit with it. Hopefully, I can get it worked out this week.
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/18/09 04:37 PM

Hi All!

I had a 2 week break in my lessons as well. teacher went skiiing, and we had a school holiday. I haven't been practicing a lot (shame on me) but have been happily playing a lot of old favourites. So the prelude in D is still a 'work in progress' which I hope to complete by next weeks lesson. It's nice to hear some of the fun and/or struggles you are having with some of the pieces I'll be tackling shortly. I'm especially looking forward to Rock-a-my-soul! (I'm sure you'll get it under control Irish Mak! I had a similar experience to yours with a few bars in the classy rag. brbrbr. Luckily my teacher was OK with my moderate performance this week, so we can forget about it. Hahaha!)

On the side I've been working on Gymnopedie nr 1. I tried it last summer, when I started on my Satie-mania, but decided then to do the Gnossiennes first. It was very encouraging to notice that what I found rather scary and complicated then, was a lot easier now. Ha! Progress! (Satie really made me a lot better in sight reading notes that are way out of the normal lines, those unnerving A's or B's that dangle way below the bass clef. Or having to play one note out of 4 or 5 in the bass clef with the right hand (together with some other treble clef notes). Stuff like that)

And Oldfingers...you are going to do some Satie as well?? Did you hint at it or was it your teachers idea? If you need advice, or tips or favourites or whatever ....just ask!

Ingrid

(glad to see 'we' are back by the way. I was a bit afraid our thread was going to disappear completely!)
Posted by: cor

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/18/09 11:47 PM

Congratulations on making it to book 3!! I'd love to hear you play.

Those adult books move soooooooooooooo much faster then then childrens 1a, 1b, 1 ,2.......etc series.... By the end of book one it is already at an intermediete level!!!

I am working through the Suzuki piano School book series..There are seven volumes....You should try them. They are great! The pieces in them are excellent!

You can get them on Amazon. Make sure you get the CDs too...It is cheaper to buy the books with the CDs together.

Corinne heart
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/20/09 09:43 AM

Originally Posted By: IrishMak

Rock-A My Soul. *sigh* This one has become the bane of my existence right now!! The second page is just not coming together. Here's how the lesson went:

Her: Play that one measure for me.
Me: *plays*
Her: Again
Me: *plays*
Her: Play the right hand.
Me: *plays*
Her: Play the left hand.
Me: *plays*
Her: Again
Me: *plays*
Her: Now let's get those dotted notes right.
Me: *plays*
Her: Again. Again. Again.


Sounds slightly amusing (at least from this distance) but I guess it wasn't while you were going thru it - must be a heck of a measure! Which one is it so I can check it out (and mark it with a warning for when I get there wink


Originally Posted By: IrishMak
It ended with her saying that one measure is what she wants me to work on this week. Get it right. If it starts to fall apart, work hands separately again. IF I get it worked out, then go on to the next measure.



Just the next measure? At this pace it's going to take you awhile ...

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/20/09 09:50 AM

Originally Posted By: IngridT


(glad to see 'we' are back by the way. I was a bit afraid our thread was going to disappear completely!)


Never fear - our beloved thread always finds a way to bounce back - it's as certain as death & taxes (and a little more pleasant!)

Regards, JF

P.S. Ingrid - when you played the "Star Spangled Banner" did you play the "tremolo" effect in the LH in the middle section?
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/20/09 10:18 AM

It actually was kind of amusing. As well as kind of frustrating. And yes, my teacher says we'll be working on this one for a bit.

It's page 97, first measure in the second system. And, really, other than the held B-flat, it's just putting together the parts from the first page. But, as usual, my hands just don't want to cooperate with each other and I mess up the "swinging" feel of the dotted rhythms. It ends up sounding like straight 8's, which it is definitely not.

As for adding just one measure, I have the feeling that, since the pattern repeats, once I figure that out (if I ever do!), the others will fall into place quicker.

I hope. wink
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/20/09 11:02 AM

John,


Quote:
P.S. Ingrid - when you played the "Star Spangled Banner" did you play the "tremolo" effect in the LH in the middle section?


I'm still on clementi's prelude in D! So the star spangled banner is coming soon. Anything specific on that tremolo you want to warn me about??

And Irish Mak,

Quote:
As for adding just one measure, I have the feeling that, since the pattern repeats, once I figure that out (if I ever do!), the others will fall into place quicker.


I am sure that approach will work! Just go for it!

Ingrid
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/20/09 12:00 PM

Well, in case if anyone was wondering I'm still around. It's been busy for me since the first of the year.

I finished up "Classy Rag" this week and have been assigned "Prelude in D minor" It took me over a month to complete "Classy Rag" and it wasn't up to snuff IMHO. I think my teacher thought I was at the point that I wouldn't get anything else out of the piece.

Of course, I'm still swamped with all of the other supplemental pieces assigned. Plus, I have my official recital piece assigned and I'm working on memorizing and dynamics.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/21/09 07:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Cyborg
Well, in case if anyone was wondering I'm still around. It's been busy for me since the first of the year.


Cyborg - I have been wondering about you and what you've been working on - glad to hear from you again.

Originally Posted By: Cyborg
I finished up "Classy Rag" this week and have been assigned "Prelude in D minor" It took me over a month to complete "Classy Rag" and it wasn't up to snuff IMHO. I think my teacher thought I was at the point that I wouldn't get anything else out of the piece.


I spent a little extra time on "Classy Rag" myself and was fairly happy with how I was playing it - but after repeated attempts I gave up (temporarily) trying to get a decent recording of it - however, when I eventually go back and review it (as I do most of the "good" pieces) I'll try my luck at recording it again - usually I play a piece even better after review so I might have better luck with the recording. My advice to you (not that you asked smile ) is to let it go for awhile and then go back and work on it again - if you have time in your busy schedule.

Keep in touch, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 03/21/09 09:16 PM

Originally Posted By: IngridT

And Oldfingers...you are going to do some Satie as well?? Did you hint at it or was it your teachers idea? If you need advice, or tips or favourites or whatever ....just ask!


It was my teacher's idea, but after listening to a Satie LP I've decided to pass. It's beyond my capabilities.

I continue to work on Fur Elise which is bugging me because I find that I need to look at the keyboard while playing the first two sections. I'd rather not memorize those sections as my memory has become quite poor, so I'm in a bit of a bind

Meanwhile I have started working on Lee Evan's "Easy Jazz Arrangements", except that they are not so easy. But they a good examples of how to make an arrangement from a lead sheet which I was not very good at doing myself. The chords are very "jazzy" sounding so I may have found my niche for awhile.
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 03/22/09 04:49 AM

Oldfingers....

LP???? (how old are you?? LOL!)

But seriously: what have you listened to? It must have been something different then the Gnossiennes or Gymnopedies. If you are able to handle the moonlight sonata you shoud be able to play Gnossienne #1 fluently within 1 or 2 weeks! Really!! Just don't be afraid. Come on, I handled the first 5 Gnossiennes after just 1 1/2 yr of playing, without any prior experience in either playing nor reading music. Listening & dancing, that was it. And although I know I'm probably not a below-average-pupil (for my age...) I'm no genius either.

Enough peptalk???

Ingrid
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 - 03/22/09 05:25 PM

Originally Posted By: IngridT
John,


Quote:
P.S. Ingrid - when you played the "Star Spangled Banner" did you play the "tremolo" effect in the LH in the middle section?


I'm still on clementi's prelude in D! So the star spangled banner is coming soon. Anything specific on that tremolo you want to warn me about??

Ingrid


Ingrid - well, this was the first time the tremolo technique was introduced and the book explains it (alternating rapidly with the LH between the two notes that make up the octave) and then goes on to say that instead of using this technique that one could simply play the octave notes simultaneously and hold them - I practiced the tremolo effect and found it easier to do than I first thought it would be (and it does provide a rather dramatic backdrop to the melody in the RH) - I was just wondering if you had used it and found it just as easy, but since you didn't start this piece yet...

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 03/22/09 06:13 PM

Originally Posted By: IngridT
Oldfingers....
LP???? (how old are you?? LOL!)
Ingrid


Ingrid, I'm so old (almost 70) that I predate LPs, 45s and 78s. In fact when I was a kid we owned a wind-up Victrola with disks that were about 1/4" thick. They sounded terrible as I recall, no bass at all.

Originally Posted By: IngridT

But seriously: what have you listened to? It must have been something different then the Gnossiennes or Gymnopedies. If you are able to handle the moonlight sonata you shoud be able to play Gnossienne #1 fluently within 1 or 2 weeks! Really!! Just don't be afraid. Come on, I handled the first 5 Gnossiennes after just 1 1/2 yr of playing, without any prior experience in either playing nor reading music. Listening & dancing, that was it. And although I know I'm probably not a below-average-pupil (for my age...) I'm no genius either.

Enough peptalk???


You are a tough task-master. It's a good thing you are not my teacher. My "LP", "Piano Music of Erik Satie, Volume 1" starts with "Trois Gymnopedies" and ends with "Trois Nocturnes". The Gymnopedies and Gnossiennes are quite lovely and I think are accessible to me. If I could restrict my study of Satie to those pieces I'd definitely be interested. Thanks for the motivation.
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 03/23/09 06:29 AM

Okay oldfingers!

My tip: start with Gnossienne #1. it's easier then Gymnopedie 1, in spite of the at least 4 flats. With your tendency to look for the chords ( I do that as well!) you'll find out within 10 minutes that there's basically just 3 of them. That's all!!

And once you've got the hang of it (playing a single note & then the related chord with the left hand, and some single-note-melody stuff with the right hand) the nrs 2 and 3 will be easier. Nr 4 is a different story (and 5 and 6 as well) but my guess is that by that time you are so hooked that you want them ALL! And the speed of at least the 1st 3 is so slow (in fact the slower the nicer for most of them) that I am sure your 'old fingers' can handle them!

And.. I was just joking about the LP's! I'm 'only' 43, but we still have a load of them on the attic! (but no 78 ones, i must admit)

And John...thanks for the explanation on the tremolo of star spangled banner. I guess I'll be working on it next week (lesson tomorrow). Is it a nice piece to work on for a non-american? It sounds a bit bombastic for me, but we'll see....


Ingrid (gymnopedie 1 in the pocket this week!).
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 03/23/09 08:00 AM

Originally Posted By: IngridT

And John...thanks for the explanation on the tremolo of star spangled banner. i gusee i'll be working on it next week (lesson tomorrow). Is it a nice piece to work on for a non-american? It sounds a bit bombastic for me, but we'll see....

Ingrid (gymnopedie 1 in the pocket this week!).


Ingrid - it's a tough song to sing (as we discussed above) but this particular piano arrangement is relatively enjoyable - the 1st section is fairly easy (it duplicates itself), then the short tremolo transition section isn't too bad once you get the tremolo technique under control, but then the last section is a little more difficult with some fingering changes tjhat are just a little tricky - the piece is not really "bombastic" ( although the lyrics do speak about "bombs bursting in air ...") but rather is dramatic and dynamic, as most national anthems are - it's a solid arrangement which seems "fresh', even after I've heard this piece a thousand times in a thousand ways over the years - apparently playing it yourself makes a big difference.

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 03/27/09 02:41 PM

Hi gang - here's another update:

Just finished the piece "Make Up Your Mind?" in Book 3 - well, when I first started it I coundn't "make up my mind' whether it was worth studying or not - not much of a challenge - sounds a little better if one plays it slightly uptempo and alternate soft and loud measures throughout just to jazz it up somewhat.
Now onto the "Swan Lake" piece which I know very well having heard it for years as an orchestral piece - looking forward to getting into it.

Also working on a new Minuet from the "Essential Keyboard Repertoire" book - this one in G minor by Christian Petzold, which originally was included in the Anna Magdalena Bach Notebook - Petzold was the actual composer of the famous Minuet in G that is usually attributed to J.S. Bach - really nice piece!

And still working on the hymn "This is My Father's World" which is really a lovely piece but the arrangement is fairly tough with a lot of triple-note RH work throughout - forcing myself to try to get a grip on pieces like these which are slightly over my head just to "push the envelope" a little.

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 03/27/09 09:24 PM

JF, I'm glad to hear that someone is making progress. I think you will enjoy "Swan Lake". It is definitely worth the effort, as is the next one, "Scheherazade".

At the moment I have hit a bump in the road with "Fur Elise". In general I try not to look at the keyboard, but with this piece I sometimes am not exactly sure of my hand position so it's a leap of faith when I put my fingers down. My teacher encourages me to look just a little bit to get my point of reference. But when I peak and take my eyes off the music I lose my place.

Then in the third section the speed picks up dramatically, and I can't think that fast. Finally, there is an arpeggio near the end that I also can't play at speed. So it's slow going. To add to the frustration, I've been away from "Moonlight Sonata" for a couple of days, and it shows when I try to play it. It seems that I have to keep everything going at once.

On the plus side, the Lee Evan's arrangement of "Early Autumn" is starting to come along. I have to get back into the mode of 9th, 11th and 13th chords which are a lot harder to read than the chords in the Alfred books. My practice sessions are getting longer.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 03/30/09 10:38 AM

OldFingers - thought you just might be interested in listening to this version of Fur Elise - this version with string accompaniment came pre-recorded on my Yamaha digital piano (Clavinova) as a sample of the instrument's capabilities - I'm not really sure if this was actually played by a living, breathing human being or was recorded using midi programming techniques, but check it out:

Fur Elise

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 03/30/09 09:58 PM

Jf, I hope it was originally played by a living, breathing human being, as otherwise it would be too discouraging to know that a piece of software could learn to do it without effort. Your machine did a nice job, though. Now how can I get my old fingers to move fast enough to handle the third section?

I'm going beyond cyberspace for a month so I expect you to hold the fort.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/01/09 07:54 AM

Originally Posted By: OldFingers

I'm going beyond cyberspace for a month so I expect you to hold the fort.


Beyond cyberspace? What's beyond cyberspace? wink

See you when you get back (if you can get back smile )

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/01/09 11:26 AM

hahaha Oldfingers....if any 'beaming up' is needed you'll have to send us a telepathic message. but whatever you're going to do and where...Have a good time! I'll start asking you again about Satie after your return! Resistance is futile!

On subject..Prelude in D is done. It was OK but the Prelude in C major is in my opinion more beautiful, and nicer to play & keep in repertoire.

Now on to the famous star spangled banner (with tremolo!)

Gymnopedie 1 also done. Just some minor details to work on. I guess I'll start on nr 2 next!

Ingrid

(and JF. 'Make up yor mind' in book 3? Guess you have the all-in-one version, because i don't see it in my book!)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/01/09 01:00 PM

Originally Posted By: IngridT

On subject..Prelude in D is done. It was OK but the Prelude in C major is in my opinion more beautiful, and nicer to play & keep in repertoire.

Now on to the famous star spangled banner (with tremolo!)

Gymnopedie 1 also done. Just some minor details to work on. I guess I'll start on nr 2 next!

Ingrid

(and JF. 'Make up yor mind' in book 3? Guess you have the all-in-one version, because i don't see it in my book!)


Ingrid - thanks for the comparison of the two preludes - I'm looking forward to the one in C by Bach in the ambitious section but it will be quite a while before I get to it (assuming I keep playing all the pieces in order).

And, yes, I am using the AIO version of Book 3 - I was assuming that all the pieces were the same in both, and that the AIO just had more theory. I guess not.

Regards, JF

P.S. Do you know what happened to Mark? - I haven't seen him anywhere in any of the Forums for awhile.
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/01/09 04:09 PM

John, I honestly don't think the Alfreds 3 book was meant to be played from front to back in order. At least not the 'for fun' and 'ambitious' parts. It even mentions explicitly after the prelude in D to use it as a 'warming up' for the well tempered clavier one! Use the experience you gained learning that one to play the Bach as well!

To be honest, I thought the Bach was not only more beautiful but also easier to play then the Clementi. And the style of the 2 pieces is so similar (pedal wise, structure wise) that it would be a pity to waste your fresch learnings & to wait half a year before you go for it. Just play around with it for a week or so! And don't be intimidated just because it's in the ambitious part. And if you need guidance...there's loads of versions on youtube to listen to (and I need to arrage some recording machinery!). and I'll be there to help as well for what it's worth.

Main guidance by the way from my teacher on the Bach (and the Clementi)..focus on the LEFT hand. That's where the power of the piece is, that's what carries it. The right hand is more of a frivolous ornamental type of thing that makes it more beautiful.. It's easy to think of the right hand as the melody, and the left hand as a kind of 'bass', but that's not the right approach.

Ingrid

PS..and no, I haven't seen Mark either. It is a bit quiet over here isn't it?? I'm haveing a pretty good time though, but I wouldn't mind a few extra 'members'. How's the book 2 gang doing? Any people getting closer to the canon in D that will join us shortly??
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/02/09 10:37 AM

So, where am I at now?

Rock-A My Soul- is done. Not perfect, but it is time to move on.

Variations on a Sea Chanty- also done, tho I think this will be one I go back and play now and again, "just because." Maybe as a warm-up piece.

October Morning (Romantic Impressions book)- We're calling this one done, as well. Finally got the chord jumps on the last page reasonably smooth so the flow of the piece doesn't halt completely at that spot.

Still working on:

Dreams Bright and Beautiful (Romantic Impressions book)- Having a hard time keeping the 3 feel of this one. Keeps slipping into 4 and then the 8th notes end up as quarter notes. Just working it slowly, measure by measure, and counting.

New stuff added:

Prelude in C minor by Morovsky: Lots of crossed hands work in this one! I don't know about some of these little prelude things. I know they were supposed to be exercises and all that, but (other than the Clementi), they just haven't appealed to me. Of course, this one is a minor key, so it has that odd, minor sound as well. It's short and not overly complex. It "should" go ok.

Dry Bones: Whooo boy! This one's gonna be interesting! For one, it's long- a bit over 3 pages. And drags you thru the major triads in all positions in all the following keys: A-flat Major, A Major, B-flat Major, B Major and C Major. I think I'm going to be spending some time reviewing triads, just to get them back into my head. Otherwise, the reading on this one is going to be a bear- so many accidentals!

I have quite enough to keep me busy this week!
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/02/09 11:10 PM

I'm still plugging along with Bach. Finally on page 4! Now with a little breathing space away from grad class, I can concentrate more on that and on Hanon.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/03/09 09:12 AM

Mak & piano4 - thanks for the updates - nice to know that you're still plugging away & making progress.

Mak - the Prelude in C minor sounds interesting - I really like pieces in minor keys and this sounds like it could be fun to play - I'll get to that later.

Ingrid - nice try and you're very persuasive - I'm tempted, but I think it will have to wait to get into the Bach Prelude - my practice schedule is full right now with working out of 3 books, all of them fairly challenging. But thanks for the encouragement.

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/09/09 05:28 PM

Hey!! We almost made it all the way down to page 3!! Yikes!

Well, a quick pre-easter updat from me then.

I hardly dare to say it out loud here, but I was allowed by my teacher to skip the star spangled banner. It's the 1st song in all 3 Alfred books I skipped (or let's say dropped before being able to play in a more or less satisfactory way). But I really,really,really didn't like it. (sorry again, for all you americans) I told her I'd rather learn the dutch national anthem instead, but she looked me in the eye and told me to go and work on the swan lake for next week/ Ahhhh.... a lot better. I did mess around a bit with the famous JF-tremolo, which was the most fun part of the piece, so thanks for the tip John!!

Any news from you guys??

Ingrid
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/10/09 02:42 PM

Ingrid- Don't worry about it. I can understand dropping SSB. you certainly would not have the "attachment" to the thing like we do here in the US. We've all run into things we are not fond of.

As for me, we worked on the right hand in the Morovsky Prelude. Specifically, not moving the right hand as much as I had been doing. The left hand is jumping across the right all thru this one, and I guess I was so intent on that, I didn't pay attention to the right hand. I was re-positioning it with every chord and that just isn't necessary. So, basically, relearning fingering for that one.

Dry Bones- it's long and, yikes!, the accidentals! But the pattern is starting to make sense, so we'll see if that doesn't make it a bit easier.

In the Mier book, Dreams Bright and Beautiful is coming along much bettter. Just one section that needs smoothing out and this one will be done. Moving on to the first few lines of the next piece, Nocturne. I think this one is going to be pretty, and it's slow- Andante! Yay! LOL But lots of dotted rhythms that will be a bit tricky till I get them down.

That's it for now.
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/10/09 04:13 PM

Ingrid, Please don't feel bad about passing over that piece:-). I tried it, couldn't get the feel of it and figured I'll come back to it!

I'm still plugging along with Bach's "Toccata". Got page four and am tying up "loose ends" with pages 1-3. When I do get this piece done perfectly, I will put this on Youtube. I know, I know, nothing's perfect, but I figure that for me to play this piece that I have heard others play, I want that perfection :-)

Started with Hanon and I'm up to 4. And I'm working on some communion music for my kids... need to relearn two of them. Other than that, enjoying a bit of break from grad courses.

Still having fun!

Have a wonderful weekend!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/17/09 08:37 AM

Ingrid - the "Star Spangled Banner" piece is a good one from a technical standpoint (good hand movements & dynamics, especially in the 2nd half) and hopefully you'll have a change of heart about it someday - if not, there are lots of other good pieces in Book 3 to present a challenge.

Mak - too bad you don't record - I'd like to hear some of the pieces you talk about, especially the non-Alfred ones.

I'm putting the finishing touches on "Scheherazade" in Book 3 - delightful piece overall, although it tends to "wander" a little in the 2nd half - it would have been better to have a repeat of the opening theme somewhere here, but I guess it's more faithful to the original orchestral suite this way - not too much of a technical challenge as a whole 9even the triplets at the end were relatively easy).

Before this I finished up the "Swan Lake" piece which is a lovely work (from the ballet suite) - I enhanced the ending a little where the melody goes into the LH by repeating the theme in measure 4 additionally, thus extending it. Good, solid piece!

In looking ahead I see there are only 6 more pieces left in Section 1 of Book 3, which is a review of old keys (from Book 2), and then Section 2 starts with a new key (A Major, 3 sharps), which for me won't be a problem since one of the hymns I'm now playing as a supplemental piece is in E major (4 sharps).

I've also started a new Minuet in the "Essential Keyboard Repertoire" book I'm using - this one by Wilhelm Freidaman Bach.

That's all for now.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Gerry Armstrong

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/17/09 09:25 AM

Hello All,

New member of the club here. As I'm self teaching now I was after a method book to follow to fill in some gaps, particularly on the theoretical side and my copy of Level 3 arrived this morning.

It looks good and I've been noodling around with a few pieces. The Clementi Prelude in D caught my eye - I like that piece a lot.
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/17/09 10:24 AM

Unfortunately, when we remodeled the dining room a few months ago, the Kawai dp got taken down and is sitting, unplugged and forlorn, in an unused room upstairs. There just isn't anywhere, at the moment to set up the recording area again. And trying to record the M&H just never worked out well. Once we get things settled a bit more here (and that means yet more remodeling!), I want to get the dp up and running again. I just don't know when that will be!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/17/09 12:00 PM

Hello Gerry and welcome! There aren't too many of us here in the Book 3 thread but we're enthusiastic and try to be encouraging and helpful.

You're right about the Clementi piece - it really is a good one - I worked on it and really enjoyed it and uploaded a recording of it to this thread a few pages (or more) back.

Stay in touch here and keep us up to date on what you're working on.

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 04/24/09 03:29 PM

Finished up work on the "Scheherazade" piece (nice arrangement overall) and got a good recording of the "Swan Lake" theme - started working on the next piece which is the theme from Scubert's "Unfinished Symphony", which starts off interestingly with the melody in the LH and then switches to the RH after about 9 measures - looks to be a good, solid piece.

Also reviewing the "Serenade" from the String Quartet with the Alberti bass - needs a litttle polishing.

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/06/09 03:27 AM

Oh boy!!!!

Where is everybody??

And why are all the threads so horribly mixed up? I had to use the search function to find us back!!

Anyway, back to page 1 now, I hope!

We had a school vacation over here, so 2 weeks without lessons, but I got Swan Lake done, and am close to finishing the scheherazade part. Nice pieces, both!!. Scheherazade lookde pretty difficult, but once I got into it it wasn't that hard. Lovely melody!! (didn't know it)

How is everybody else doing????

Ingrid
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/06/09 07:21 AM

Still working the ambitious section of book 3 and some other intermediate pieces.

Doing lots of technical work which is really helping...
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/06/09 07:33 AM

Hi guys - I'm still working on the "Theme from the Unfinished Symphony" by Schubert - good, solid piece - melody starts off in LH and then switches to RH (I really like the effect when the melody switches hands/registers like this in pieces) - also some great booming chord sequences at the end which jump around the keyboard nicely (to be played with or without the "tremolo" technique Ingrid!)

Got a fairly good recording of "Swan Lake" which can currently be heard in the May Piano Bar.

Also working on the hymn "He Leadeth Me" (beautiful melody) and a minuet by Wilhelm Friedamen Bach from the "Essential Keyboard Repertoire" book.

Ingrid - glad you like the "Scheherazade" piece - I enjoyed that one a lot too (it's part of a much larger orchestral suite).

Mark - good to know you're still with us and still plugging away - was worried you had "dropped out" for awhile there.

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/06/09 08:28 AM

Mark...how's the Satie going?? Weren't you working on Gymnopedie 1?? Did that one as well over the last month, beautiful piece!

John..I listened to your Swan Lake in the May bar. Interesting to hear somebody elses performance. Just curious...your version sounds really very different from mine.(I should get recording facilities!!! Grr!) Just wondering where that comes from. Your left hand (the continuous repeated chord) has a kind of 'beat' in it that I don't play that way. There's a little accent/break every measure. Like 1-2-3-4-and-1-2-3-4. When I play it it's much more continuous (at least, that's the feeling I have when playing it) Like if you would play only the left hand without the melody as a listener you wouldn't have a clue where the '1' '2' '3' or '4' was when you hadn't been counting from the first sound onwards

Is that something you did on purpose?? ( I know you are creative often in how you deal with a piece!)

Ingrid
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/06/09 12:05 PM

Thanks John, I've been around keeping an eye on the threads but after the last recital I wasn't happy with my progress and decided to post less and practice more.

Ingrid, I am still working on Gymnopedie 1 and its very close to being finished. I'm working many pieces and it takes me a while to finish them. Its really helped my overall playing because of the hand shifting. Its also a great piece to listen to while you play.
Its a keeper...

Mark
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/06/09 03:30 PM

Originally Posted By: IngridT

John..I listened to your Swan Lake in the May bar. Interesting to hear somebody elses performance. Just curious...your version sounds really very different from mine.


Is that a good thing or a bad thing? smile


Originally Posted By: IngridT
Just wondering where that comes from.


I have no idea - I was as surprised as you when I first heard it - I didn't notice it while actually recording - but it is there , as you say, but not everywhere, just starting into the second section (theme) - I wasn't sure if I liked it at first, but then I decided I did because I told myself that this "crowding" or "pushing" of the rhythm is a mark of "increasing Technical expertise" (or so I'd like to think) grin

Originally Posted By: IngridT
Your left hand (the continuous repeated chord) has a kind of 'beat' in it that I don't play that way. There's a little accent/break every measure. Like 1-2-3-4-and-1-2-3-4. When I play it it's much more continuous (at least, that's the feeling I have when playing it)


You play it correctly - I think that what happened with me was that I was really "caught up" in the music and was in a hurry to get to the "good part" - the crecendo of the melody in the RH and the switch to the melody in the LH - I don't know how else to explain it, but I think I like it - I consider it "performer's license".

Originally Posted By: IngridT
Is that something you did on purpose?? ( I know you are creative often in how you deal with a piece!)


Ingrid


As I said - no, at least not consciously - but who knows what goes on in the deep recesses of our minds laugh I did get a little creative by entending the ending though - hope you liked that part!

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/06/09 08:50 PM

It's time to reconnect to cyberspace and report my lack of progress on Alfred Level 3. It's interesting that the last piece I chose to work on, Fur Elise, is giving me the most difficulty. Unless I slow everything down, the 32nd notes in the third section continue to give me problems. I would hate to admit that my old fingers are letting me down.

As I mentioned earlier I am also working on the Lee Evan's arrangements of the American Songbook. I'm pretty happy with Early Autumn and have started working on That's All. Some of the chords are really complicated and I need my teacher to help me figure them out.

Ingrid, I haven't decided what to do about the Satie yet. Would you say that the pieces you suggested are at Level 3 in difficulty. Although not part of my original goal, I have rather enjoyed playing classical pieces.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/07/09 07:42 AM

OldFingers - welcome back! Glad you found your way here from "beyond cyberspace" - sorry to hear you're still having a few "technical difficulties" with Fur Elise, but I have confidence that you'll work them out - also, interesting that you're working on some of the great American Songbook classics, which is one of my ultimate goals too.

I also noticed that somewhere along the line you've changed career objectives from being a cocktail lounge pianist to being a retirement home lounge pianist grin The atmosphere might be a little quieter there and you actually may get a few people paying attention and listening!

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/07/09 08:33 AM

Mark....
Quote:
I am still working on Gymnopedie 1 and its very close to being finished. I'm working many pieces and it takes me a while to finish them. Its really helped my overall playing because of the hand shifting. Its also a great piece to listen to while you play.
Its a keeper...


Glad you like it!! And I completely share your experience of enjoying listening to yourself playing when it's Satie. You'll notice that when you will start working on a Gnossienne (at least the 1st 3) or another Gymnopedie that you'll probably pick it up a lot faster. They are much alike in the way they are built. the left hand moving back & forth and the right hand playing those beautiful melodies!!

John....Thanks for sharing your Swan lake experiences. So when you recorded the piece and listened to it it actually sounded different then what you thought it would sound like??? Intriguing! Maybe mine sounds way different too then what I think it sounds like. And...yes, I liked your ending!! (you always have to do something to a piece of music, don't you??)

And Oldfingers...Welcome back!! Hope your Elise-troubles will disappear with more work..usually they do!! Or a short break...that sometimes helps as well!!

On Satie...I would say that the 1st 3 Gnossiennes, and the Gymnopedies are easier to play then Fur Elise or the Moonlight Sonata. And they are SLOW...which you might like. In my experience they are all pieces that need time though to 'grow'. They are like good wine, they get better and better over time. The notes are fairly simple, but to make them sound beautiful requires a lot of emotional attachment to the music, or something like that. They are lovely pieces to hang on to for a long time, and to watch their development. And like Mark said (and I share that)...they are really nice to listen to when you are playing. If I want to enjoy myself playing piano I play Satie!! So I would say go for it! (and start with Gnossienne 1, in spite of the huge nr of flats it's pretty easy. And with your focus on chords the left hand shouldn't give you any trouble at all. Then after that nr 3, and then 2 , a bit more challenging rythmwise with a lot of triplet-like stuff)

Ingrid


PS...oh, and Oldfingers...even though it's classical, I think Satie would be well received in either a cocktail lounge or a retirement home lounge...so that shouldn't stop you!!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/07/09 01:16 PM

Originally Posted By: IngridT


John.... ...yes, I liked your ending!! (you always have to do something to a piece of music, don't you??)

Ingrid



Yes! Always! It's a compulsion! My Alfred books are filled with notes, revisions, additions, re-arrangements and other possibilities. There's so much more that can be done with these basically simple arrangements.

I've even thought about making copies of my notes and sending them off to Alfred so that the compilers of our methods can get some tips and hints on how to improve these books - pretty arrogant and presumptuous, huh? smile

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/07/09 01:36 PM

HA!! John. I suddenly remember that you were pretty outspoken a while ago when I said (a bit too bluntly, I admit) that hardly any Alfred's piece was as satisfying to play as a (excusez le mot) 'real piece of music'

And now you admit yourself that the average Alfreds piece could do with a little improvement here or there....hahahahaha!!

I like that!!

Ingrid

edited to add :

PS: John....just to make sure...this post was not meant very seriously.... smile smile smile
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/07/09 04:04 PM

Originally Posted By: IngridT
HA!! John. I suddenly remember that you were pretty outspoken a while ago when I said (a bit too bluntly, I admit) that hardly any Alfred's piece was as satisfying to play as a (excusez le mot) 'real piece of music'

And now you admit yourself that the average Alfreds piece could do with a little improvement here or there....hahahahaha!!

I like that!!

Ingrid


Well, don't laugh too hard - you may wish you hadn't - I will admit to three things: (1) that most of the pieces in all 3 books of Alfred are just fine as they stand in Alfred's; (2) as such, they are all "real pieces of music" at each given level; and (3) I personally like to enhance some of them which I consider an "improvement", but that doesn't negate or cancel out (1) and (2) above, which remain true no matter what I personally do with them.

But, just because I do enhance or improve certain pieces doesn't mean that they aren't real music, nor does it mean that they aren't already a challenge, which most of them are. In addition, when I do get to the point where I'm playing those advanced and complex pieces I'm sure I'll do the same with many of them.

Your contention a little while back was that they (the Alfred pieces) were mostly not "real music" compared with the more advanced or complex or demanding pieces that you were/are working on, which was erroneous - they are very real, but just not as advanced or complex or demanding as the "real" pieces you were working on. It's that simple.

All things considered you might have been better off not "beating this dead horse" again and should have "quit while you were behind" smile

Regards, JF
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/08/09 10:04 AM

Still here!

I've been working on other non Alfred 3 pieces for awhile now. Finally, with my recital piece ending tonight, my teacher finally assigned me "Star Spangled Banner". My initial observation is that this version is easier than the one my teacher gave me to work on last year which I think took 2-3 months. It's nice to be back in this book.
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/08/09 11:22 AM

John,

Am I mistaken or did you adapt your post after I added my PS??

If I offended you in any way..sorry! It wasn't meant that way. Let's put it on cultural difference, or lack of subtlety when writing in a non-native tongue, but I promise you I won't come back to it again, and be more careful when going off topic. Promise!

Only remark that I do need to make though is that you misunderstood me regarding difficulty or complexity of the non Alfred pieces I've been working on. A lot of my recent Alfred's pieces (Classy Rag, or even the Scheherazade) were in my opinion technically more difficult to master then eg Gnossiennes 1-2-3 or even The Well Tempered Klavier in the ambitious section (which I thought was easier then the Clementi prelude). It's just that these pieces seem to be more 'keepers' then the average Alfred's piece. And maybe (for me personally!)it's because of just the fact that I keep on playing those pieces that they seem to develop more over time, and that I get more 'attached' to them in a way.

Sorry, that got again longer then I wanted. Topic closed OK??

Ingrid
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/08/09 01:51 PM

I'm here too! Still plugging away on "Toccata" but I am on the last page!!!! yippie For me between grad course, which this time around seems to have more to read and post ( this time almost every night) and work issues ( grateful to have), I manage to get in at the most 30-45 minutes and if there is nothing going on for me on the weekends, 2hours. take care, everyone!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/09/09 06:04 AM

Cyborg - good to hear from you again - glad to know you're still at it - have fun with SSB, it's a fairly good arrangement overall.

piano4 - nice to hear from you again too - "toccata" seems to be a fairly long-term project for you - glad you're making progress and sorry you don't have more time to devote to your piano studies right now - I admire your tenacity!

Ingrid - no problem - I agree that most of the Alfred 3 pieces are challenging - it usually takes me two or three weeks (and sometimes longer) to get a good handle on many of them - same as when I was trudging thru Book 2 - I wasn't sure if you were mostly serious or not, but I wanted to make clear the point that while I sometimes "play" with a piece in terms of extending it or enhancing it that I still consider them difficult enough as presented and that my so-called improvements don't mean tha I think they are not "real music" - there is a big difference between improving a piece because you simply can (because you have "ideas") and improving it because you feel it's lacking in musical substance. But, everything is ok and cool!

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/13/09 12:25 PM

I finished up my initial study of the "Theme from the Unfinished Symphony" by Schubert this morning - surprisingly good piece! I vaguely recall someone else saying awhile back that they didn't get much out of this piece, but I think it has a lot going for it - not the least of which is the fun of hammering out that great series of chords at the end! I even got a fairly decent recording that only has a half dozen or so mistakes, none of which is too serious - I may try to record it again.

Now, it's on to "Spooky Story" (played an octave lower than written) which is I notice the 16th piece in Book 3, with 23 regular and 6 "ambitious" pieces to go.


Also continuing study in 2 other sources simultaneously.

How are you all doing?

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/14/09 03:51 PM

The going is a bit slow here.

I am not fully satisfied yet with my scheherazade, so it's still on the list for next weeks lessons. It needs more dynamics, and I've been messing around with the fingering, which doesn't help.

I am also doing some duets with my 12 yr old, which is really fun!! But it does take time from working on my own stuff....

Any of you participating in the upcoming recital????


I probably asked before, but what do you guys use to record yourself? With a DP it's probably fairly easy, but with an acoustic???

Ingrid
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/14/09 05:32 PM

Originally Posted By: IngridT
The going is a bit slow here.

I am not fully satisfied yet with my scheherazade, so it's still on the list for next weeks lessons. It needs more dynamics, and I've been messing around with the fingering, which doesn't help.

I am also doing some duets with my 12 yr old, which is really fun!! But it does take time from working on my own stuff....

Any of you participating in the upcoming recital????


I probably asked before, but what do you guys use to record yourself? With a DP it's probably fairly easy, but with an acoustic???

Ingrid


I use the Zoom 2 to record my piano and then transfer it to my computer. In fact my recital piece is from the ambitious section of Alfred 3...
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/14/09 06:46 PM

Originally Posted By: IngridT

I am not fully satisfied yet with my scheherazade, so it's still on the list for next weeks lessons. It needs more dynamics, and I've been messing around with the fingering, which doesn't help.
Ingrid

Except for finishing up Fur Elise, I've pretty much finished with Alfred Level 3 and have moved on to learning some old standards from the Lee Evan's books. However, seeing that John Frank and Ingrid were working on "Scheherazade", I wanted to pass along a critical lesson I received from my teacher on playing legato. Until this piece, my legato playing focused on tying my single right-hand notes together smoothly. In "Scheherazade" I learned that I should do it with multiple notes. For what it's worth here's the trick. In the last measure on the first page, measure 13, the left hand plays a B and D# using fingers 1 & 2. While moving on to the A and C using fingers 1 and 3, one holds the B with the 2nd finger. Voila, it makes the left hand nice and smooth. When I went back to play "A Very Special Day", I could see that the trick could be applied several times in the right hand, and it improved that piece significantly. Now I use it all the time.

Ingrid, for what it's worth, the indicated fingering works pretty well, although I had to write the 3 -> 4 -> 5 fingering for measures 10 and 11 explicitly to remind me what to use there. My teacher did not suggest any changes and he is usually very good at making things easier for me when it is appropriate.

I use the Zoom H2 to record my teacher. It's simple to use and makes pretty good recordings. After transferring the file to the computer I use Audacity to normalize and clean up the file and then use the Amazing Slow Downer so that I can play along with my teacher at a much slower tempo. For me, the Slow Downer is terrific tool for learning to play "musically".

Mark, I noticed that you were selling your "new" piano. Why? I'm curious as I'm thinking of trading my Tier II 6'1" acoustic grand for the new Yamaha digital Avant Grand. I'm getting so I can't bear the "harsh", "loud" sound of my acoustic. I'd love to have a volume control.

Bob
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/14/09 07:07 PM

Originally Posted By: John Frank
I also noticed that somewhere along the line you've changed career objectives from being a cocktail lounge pianist to being a retirement home lounge pianist grin The atmosphere might be a little quieter there and you actually may get a few people paying attention and listening!


JF, it occurred to me that retirement home entertainment is an emerging market and the residents make up uncritical audience. It should be a perfect fit. The question is, do I get to entertain before or after I myself become a resident.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/14/09 08:36 PM

Originally Posted By: OldFingers
Originally Posted By: John Frank
I also noticed that somewhere along the line you've changed career objectives from being a cocktail lounge pianist to being a retirement home lounge pianist grin The atmosphere might be a little quieter there and you actually may get a few people paying attention and listening!


JF, it occurred to me that retirement home entertainment is an emerging market and the residents make up uncritical audience. It should be a perfect fit. The question is, do I get to entertain before or after I myself become a resident.


grin

Wouldn't it be a kick if by some remote chance we ended up in the same home and took turns entertaining the folks (you don't by chance sing , do you?) laugh

Regards, JF

P.S. glad to hear you're done with your studies in Book 3, although I hope you'll continue to check in here with us frequently!
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/15/09 05:13 AM

Ooooh...John!! Recital piece from the ambitious section!! You make me curious!!!!!! I scrolled through the whole recital thread, but I guess you want to keep it a secret???????

And recording with a zoom 2. Hmm. The only recording device we have in the house is a mobile phone. Guess I'll need to invest in something a bit more appropriate some time...

And Oldfingers... Ha! That trick with 'holding the B' is EXACTLY the tip I got from my teacher last tuesday! Funny!! It was the section where I was messing around with the fingering. Just sloppiness I'm afraid! It's getting better now.

My legato is otherwise pretty much OK, but i do notice I get sloppy when playing with pedal. But my teacher let me listen to herself playing, and it's true, even when playing something with sustain pedal you still hear the difference when playing 'good' legato vs 'sloppy'. So I'll watch myself a bit more carefully on that aspect!
Have you really finished book 3?? WOW! Congratulations! (but don't leave! If you start up an 'after alfreds book 3' thread you'll be pretty lonely! And...eeh...(hardly dares to ask) How's the decision process on the Satie going????

Had a nice morning by the way playing piano with a mother I know from school. She played as a kid, but has neglected it lately. We messed around with some easy duets, and shared some (old time) favourites. It's fun to play together with someone else!!

Ingrid
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/15/09 05:55 AM

Originally Posted By: IngridT
Ooooh...John!! Recital piece from the ambitious section!! You make me curious!!!!!! I scrolled through the whole recital thread, but I guess you want to keep it a secret???????

Ingrid


Ingrid, I believe that's Mark that has the recital piece from the ambitious section - it's the Bach Prelude.

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/15/09 07:47 AM

oops...sorry John....I misread. Mark...I'll be looking forward to listening to your Bach! It's one of my 'keepers'. Beautiful piece!!

but John, are you in as well?? And with what???

Ingrid
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/15/09 08:03 AM

Originally Posted By: OldFingers
[quote=IngridT]


Mark, I noticed that you were selling your "new" piano. Why? I'm curious as I'm thinking of trading my Tier II 6'1" acoustic grand for the new Yamaha digital Avant Grand. I'm getting so I can't bear the "harsh", "loud" sound of my acoustic. I'd love to have a volume control.

Bob


My Estonia L190 has some major problems that I hope the dealer finally fixes. But the dealer's service has been extremely slow with very poor communications. So wish me luck.

The piano has been such a disappointment that I really don't want it anymore.

Anyone buying a L190 please thoroughly check them out.
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/15/09 09:58 AM

Mark...it's probably more appropriate to post feedback in the recital thread, but I had to sneak in and listen to your Bach, and I have to say: Very well done!!!

Ingrid

(just out of curiosity...how long have you been playing? You take lessons? Interested in feedback to make it sound even more impressive? I had some extensive discussions on my own playing of this piece with my teacher. I play it by no means perfect myself, but I'd love to exchange some ideas on how you worked on this one, and what aspects you were more/less happy with. Hmm. I don't want to make this sound like I want to criticize your playing. Like I said, it was pretty good. But still....discussion is always fun. I know there was all this sensitivity about critical discussion wanted or not..anyway..hope it comes across what I mean!)

edited to add: Oops, I read in your submission that you do plan to work on it further, and that you DO like technical feedback. Should I post it in the recital thread?? I feel a bit weird doing that since I listened to your piece just because you are a book-3-colleague, and because I've been playing the piece myself, and I wasn't really planning on commenting on all 60-something pieces. Just let me know what you like, or what's more appropriate. I don't want to dis-obey any forum rules/etiquette.....
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/15/09 12:46 PM

Originally Posted By: IngridT
Mark...it's probably more appropriate to post feedback in the recital thread, but I had to sneak in and listen to your Bach, and I have to say: Very well done!!!

Ingrid

(just out of curiosity...how long have you been playing? You take lessons? Interested in feedback to make it sound even more impressive? I had some extensive discussions on my own playing of this piece with my teacher. I play it by no means perfect myself, but I'd love to exchange some ideas on how you worked on this one, and what aspects you were more/less happy with. Hmm. I don't want to make this sound like I want to criticize your playing. Like I said, it was pretty good. But still....discussion is always fun. I know there was all this sensitivity about critical discussion wanted or not..anyway..hope it comes across what I mean!)

edited to add: Oops, I read in your submission that you do plan to work on it further, and that you DO like technical feedback. Should I post it in the recital thread?? I feel a bit weird doing that since I listened to your piece just because you are a book-3-colleague, and because I've been playing the piece myself, and I wasn't really planning on commenting on all 60-something pieces. Just let me know what you like, or what's more appropriate. I don't want to dis-obey any forum rules/etiquette.....


I do take lessons and as you can tell have problems with timing which I have been working to fix. Since its a Alfred three piece it really can be discussed here if you like...
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/16/09 02:23 PM

Hi all, I'm still plugging along. I can't believe that I am taking this long for learning this Bach piece, on side of the coin, on the other side, however, i am glad that I am taking this long (considering that my instructor told me that it took her 6 months to learn "Toccata" to play on the organ!

Mark, I am looking forward to hearing your Bach piece!
I'll get to one of these months recitals evenually!
take care all!
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/16/09 03:46 PM

Originally Posted By: piano4
Mark, I am looking forward to hearing your Bach piece!I'll get to one of these months recitals evenually!
take care all!


Here is my Bach piece, warts and all...

Prelude in C Major
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/16/09 04:40 PM

Really nice work on the Bach Prelude Mark - you're playing better than ever - keep up the good work - Ingrid was right about how nice a piece it is - now I'm looking forward more than ever to getting to it and into it.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/16/09 05:47 PM

Originally Posted By: John Frank
Really nice work on the Bach Prelude Mark - you're playing better than ever - keep up the good work - Ingrid was right about how nice a piece it is - now I'm looking forward more than ever to getting to it and into it.

Regards, JF


Thanks JF, I was playing pretty tight with the Red Dot going. Its a piece that needs much more attention to get a better flow. Every once in a while you can get lost in it and it sounds much better. Its a keeper for anyone's repertory. You will really like it, especially if you liked Prelude in D minor.
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/17/09 02:57 PM

Mark, this is beautiful! You did an awesome job playing this!
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/18/09 09:05 AM

Aaah, Mark,

sorry, I was away for the weekend. hence my late reply. Glad you posted your recording here as well. Like I said, I think you did real well, but do you agree with me that this is a piece where indeed 'flow' is of the utmost importance? I don't know any other piece of music where it is so crucial to keep the tempo very very constant. If I try to do so too consciously, though, I seem to lose some 'musicality'. The 'art' of the whole thing is (in my beginners opinion) to keep the tempo and the 'flow' without making it sound like a hanon exercise. (your's did not sound like an exercise at all by the way) My feeling (and my teacher confirmed this) is that playing with the 'volume' is half of the trick. A lot of the emotion of the piece comes from the changes in loudness, the real soft 'intermezzo's, and of course the long crescendo starting on the bottom of page 2. On that part, I think you can improve a bit if you want. The climax of the piece, somwhere halfway page 3 can be a lot louder then you played it. And also in other spots I am sure it would sound even better with more volume-dynamics...

Did I mention to you before that my teacher asked me to focus on the left hand in this piece?? Like thinking that the left hand kind of is the melody of the piece, with the right hand just adding some detail to that?? That's also where the soft/loud differences should come from. From the left!

Again. I think you did a great job, and it's so nice to read your comments/experience with the piece, they are so similar to mine!!! (including the 'getting lost in it, or getting caught in the flow completely, especially when the recording device is not running of course...hahaha!

Ingrid
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/18/09 10:40 AM

Thanks Ingrid, your assessment is right on!

I will work on those volume issues. I also have to get much smoother, so I don't have that holding back flow problem too.

Being a joy to play, this piece can only get better in time.


Loved the feedback...


Mark

Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/18/09 11:23 AM

Hey Mark,

Giving feedback is easier then incorporating these kind of things in ones own playing. I'm also pretty good at pinpointing the critical 'to work on' area's in my own playing. But theory and practice are 2 different things....

Glad the comments were received well though. As an above-average-blunt dutch person I sometimes feel I have to be extra careful around here.

But I'll keep on talking about this piece with you. I love it. and just played it this afternoon again. It does get better and better over time (just like Satie! and probably everything else you keep on playing. But this one is truly beautiful.) With the added advantage that it's a nice one to play for any accidental audience. It's not so overplayed as fur elise, but familiar enough to sound interesting to most people and difficult enough to sound impressive! I haven' t heard anybody that disliked it so far.

Andd..eeeh..have you tried singing the Ave Maria while playing?? That's beautiful as well. Hmmm. Being male you should probably find yourself a female singer you can play with....(which I shouls do as well I guess, I'm not really a soprano type singer)


Ingrid
Posted by: molto_agitato

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/18/09 05:05 PM

Nice job, Mark! I love this J.S. Bach piece, and based on the Bach pieces I have heard, other than some of the simpler pieces in the Notebook for Anna Magdalena Bach, it may be only one that I will ever one day be capable of playing!

I'm not currently working out of Alfred Book 3, but I believe this will be the next Bach piece my teacher and I will tackle, provided I can get my current Bach piece up to a decent standard of playing.
Posted by: molto_agitato

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/18/09 05:13 PM

Originally Posted By: IngridT

Andd..eeeh..have you tried singing the Ave Maria while playing?? Ingrid


Oh my goodness, I can't even talk and play simultaneously! I just don't have the coordination! Well, I am getting better though. When I first started learning how to play the piano, I sometimes found it difficult to breathe and play at the same time! No, I'm not exaggerating; I would have to make a conscious effort to take a breath, as I would often hold my breath through "difficult" passages.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/20/09 07:16 AM

molto agitato (does that translate as "much agitated"? smile ) - welcome to the Alfred 3 thread - pleaswe feel free to drop by any time to post your progrss and thoughts.

Regards, JF
Posted by: molto_agitato

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/20/09 03:29 PM

Thank-you for the welcome, John Frank. Yes, molto agitato is essentially "much agitated." Composers sometimes use the term as a tempo/mood marking. But I picked it for my user name because its how I sometimes feel when I'm practicing the piano! Fortunately, I haven't yet thrown my metronome through a window, but I have had the occasional urge to do so grin
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/21/09 11:11 AM

Originally Posted By: molto_agitato
Thank-you for the welcome, John Frank. Yes, molto agitato is essentially "much agitated." Composers sometimes use the term as a tempo/mood marking. But I picked it for my user name because its how I sometimes feel when I'm practicing the piano! Fortunately, I haven't yet thrown my metronome through a window, but I have had the occasional urge to do so grin


grin I, on the other hand, like to think of myself as "andante cantible", slow and song-like, which suits my style to a tee!

Update: finished "Spooky Story" in less than a week - easy and fun piece - at least it seemed easy after wading thru "Swan Lake", "Scheherazade" and "The Theme from the Unfinished Symphony" back to back to back..

Currently working on the next piece which is the spiritual "Steal Away", which technically doesn't seem like it will present any problems or real challenges, but which is rather strange or unusual in that within the course of it's 28 measure length contains the following: 3 distinct sections, 3 tempo changes, 11 volume changes, 8 fermatas (fermati?) or pauses of variable length, numerous pedal points and even a treble clef indication on the bass staff near the end! I have this piece in another book (of hymns) and it has only the separate sections, so I guess our authors' idea was to try to make a relatively easy piece a little more difficult was all the "extra musical stuff" they devised and threw in.

I'm really looking forward to the next piece which is the great old Italian love song "Come Back to Sorrento", which is a show piece with a beautiful melody!

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/22/09 03:54 PM

Molto Agitato....nice to see a new face here in the book 3 thread!! Welcome!And keep on hanging around if you like it!!

John...I'm catching up on you!! It's the unfinished Sympathy this week, and Spooky Story. I won't finish them both in 1 week for sure, but the symphony looked rather intimidating so something relatively straightforward to work on simultaneously sounded like a good plan.

Although I must say that the rather complex looking and sounding syncopated rhythm started to work out pretty well after just one fairly short practicing session yesterday, so we'll see how it will go further. It's a piece where you REALLY have to count in the beginning to get it right. I'm pretty good with rhythm things, but this one I had to look twice before I got it. And I get to do the JF-Tremolo's!! (after skipping the star spangled banner...yes!! They return in this piece!!)

On the Scheherazade by the way... (John or whoever)..what tempo did you play it?? I finished it, but it annoyed me that the last long triplet part sounded a bit 'bare'...no pedal allowed, and the left hand chord is basically completely gone before you finally hit the final notes. My teacher recommended playing the chord very loud to make it last as long as possible, and speeding up the whole thing in general to make the last bit also faster. But to be honest...I dislike the tempo any higher then a fairly slow andante. I can play it, but it doesn't make the piece sound nicer in my opinion....

Ingrid
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/26/09 01:10 PM

Originally Posted By: IngridT
... On the Scheherazade by the way... (John or whoever)..what tempo did you play it?? I finished it, but it annoyed me that the last long triplet part sounded a bit 'bare'...no pedal allowed, and the left hand chord is basically completely gone before you finally hit the final notes. My teacher recommended playing the chord very loud to make it last as long as possible, and speeding up the whole thing in general to make the last bit also faster. But to be honest...I dislike the tempo any higher then a fairly slow andante. I can play it, but it doesn't make the piece sound nicer in my opinion....

Ingrid


Ingrid - Sorry about the delay - I was away for the long holiday weekend - I played "Scheherazade" fairly slowly (more Adagio than Andante) and played the last measures "rit. & dim.", both slowing down and decreasing in volume over the last 3 measures even though the sheet music doesn't call for it (another one of my free-lance interpretations) - it sounded better to me that way, a more "finalized" ending - as far as that LH chord which is "supposed" to carry thru to the end, it doesn't and playing it loudly and then speeding up the whole passage is just simply not acceptable, ruining the ending's purpose and effect - instead do what I did - forget the tie and play the chord again softly at the beginning of each of the 1st two measures inthe last line - good luck with the "unfinished Symphony".

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 05/27/09 10:36 AM

Ha John! I knew I could count on you for a different tweak to a piece!! Thanks, I'll try it your way!! ( I tried holding the pedal throughout the last few bars, but that sounded very unharmonic.

I am going to continue next week with spooky story & the unfinished. Only 2 more lessons, and then it's summer break for at least 10 weeks. Last year I tackled a whole bunch of Gnossiennes over the summer period, I'll have to dicsuss with my teacher what would be a nice 'project' for this summer!

Anybody any suggestions??

Did I mention that I'm also involved in a school orchestra kind of thing?? We're preparing a bunch of kids (aged 6-12) for a nice performance in june. One of the parents involved is a real crack (playing a whole bunch of instrumenst, making his own arrangements and stuff like that) and we're now also going to work on a little piece with the parents. It will be 'hallelujah' by Leonard Cohen.

It will be the first time for me to play in front of a 'real' audience (well, mostly the parents of the kids involved, but still.....), together with a whole bunch of other instruments. Guitar, flute, drum, clarinet, violin. I think it will be a lot of fun to do!!

Ingrid (still waiting for my bit of music, I hope it won't be too complex......)

Ingrid
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/02/09 05:11 PM

While quickly scanning the book 2 thread, I saw that there's at least one, and maybe more people joining us shortly...YEAH!!

So let me be the first to give Ttigg a warm welcome here!! And put us back on page one of the forum, we were disappearing again.

Going is slow here. We had a week vacation & next week is the last lesson before the summer vacation. I'll finish the unfinished & spooky story (no piano for a week so no progress), and work on my school-orchestra stuff this week.

For the summer I am thinking of attacking one or 2 Yann Tiersen pieces, from the Amelie movie. Anybody here played any of that? We have at least a 2 month break, so I like to work on something a bit bigger then a whole bunch of Alfreds pieces, and it's beautiful music to listen to. My teacher suggested it, so Iguess she thinks I'll be able to handle it. I'll pick up Alfreds again when lessons start in august/september. Maybe II'll take another look at the Moonlight Sonata as well.

How's everybody else doing??

Ingrid
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/02/09 06:02 PM

Originally Posted By: IngridT
While quickly scanning the book 2 thread, I saw that there's at least one, and maybe more people joining us shortly...YEAH!!

So let me be the first to give Ttigg a warm welcome here!! And put us back on page one of the forum, we were disappearing again.

Thanks for the kind welcome thumb (although I'm not here yet). Will be getting my "sign off" this week then a 1wk break so I can look @ Forest again. Then I'll be over here saying "hi" and looking at what #3 has in store..

So what's the general level/timing like for #3? 1yr+ I would estimate depending on the actual content. I know I did #1 in like 3.5mths but 2 took longer (with some breaks in-between for recitals etc) so my estimate is 1yr for #3 (we'll see)

Looking forward to making more friends and more videos.. So who on #3 is in SoCal?
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/02/09 07:34 PM

Originally Posted By: IngridT
... For the summer I am thinking of attacking one or 2 Yann Tiersen pieces, from the Amelie movie. Anybody here played any of that?

Ingrid


Ingrid - good choice for the special summer selection - Tiersen's stuff is good and he's fairly popular here at PW - 1 or 2 of his pieces always show up in each Recital - you might want to listen to some of them.

I'm putting the finishing touches on the spiritual piece "Steal Away", a very interesting arrangement as I mentioned before in a recent post above - I'm sure you won't be surprised that I've devised my own unique way to play it (putting in a D.S. al Fine where one didn't exist before!) grin

TTigg welcome from me also - we're really anxious to get you and some of the other Book 2ers over here to share and help.

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/02/09 09:07 PM

It's nice to see that TTigg has added some new life to Alfred 3. I check in from time to time to see what happens when a few more people finish Book 3. I think I might have found my niche with the Lee Evan's arrangements. I really love playing from the American Songbook, and after finishing Aflred's, I find that I can actually play the stuff with some musicality. One of these days, if I can ever overcome Red Dot Fever, I'll post one or two of my new pieces. So Ingrid, it's unlikely I will be playing any Satie in the immediate future. Maybe I'll go back to it if I ever tire of these jazzy arrangements I'm playing.

For the record, I still am unable to play Fur Elise properly, at least the third section anyway. My teacher dragged out the metronome today to slow me down. I'm going to stick with it until I get it, so I'm not finished with Alfred 3 yet.

BTW, TTigg, I'm losing track of time, but I think I spent about six months on Level 2 and about a year on Level 3. The effort was well worth it.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/03/09 07:31 AM

OldFingers - good to hear from you as always - glad you enjoy playing the great standards so much - I love them too and will probably head largely in that direction when I finish Alfred, although I really do enjoy playing some classical pieces (currently working my way thru a series of shorter, lighter pieces in the "Essential Keyboard Repertoire" book).

I hope you'll check in here often to kep us updated on your progress on whatever you're working on (including "Fur Elise") and please do share with us some recordings in the future - would love to hear them!

I'm not sure but I think I spent about a year on Book 1 and about a year and a half on Book 2, and will spend at least that much if not more on Book 3 (given the "ambitious section").

Regards, JF
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/03/09 02:01 PM

Working Fur Elise, Prelude in A, Prelude in C.

I will be in Alfred 3 for a long time...
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/03/09 07:50 PM

Mark - it's not the quantity of time you spend in Alfred 3 but the quality of your efforts in whatever time you do ultimately spend there . . . there is no time limit.

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/04/09 09:51 AM

Well, here's my preliminary take on "Steal Away", which as I discussed above is full of musical "stuff", perhaps more so than just about anything I've run across yet: sections, tempo and dynamic changes, multiple fermati, etc.

I added to the assortment by inseting a D.S. al Fine at the fermata in the 3rd to last measure, which jumps back to the "segno sign" at the beginning of the 9th measure and then continues to the Fine (which is the actual, original end of the piece). It still needs a little polishing here and there but it's roughly presentable:

Steal Away

Hope you enjoy. Please offer up your suggestions. Thanks.

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/04/09 12:06 PM

John,

I haven't played the song yet, and I don't know the tune at all, but to me it sounds as if there's something real strange going on with the timing/beat/rythm. From the 1st bar onwards. I will listen to it again tonight with my Alfreds book 3 in front of me. I'm really curious to compare the notes with what I am hearing....

Ingrid
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/04/09 12:57 PM

laugh

Ha! If you're trying to tap your foot along with a constant beat, forget it - there isn't one - it's a "freelance" piece, in effect - you're right that there is something strange going on with the timing and rhythm - I warned you about that twice above - with all the fermati (pauses) and chordal "rolls" (where the timing is optional and variable) plus the tempo changes this is a piece that one plays pretty much "as one wishes", and one cannot expect to march in perfect synch to it.

The only place where I messed up a little on timing was at the very end (where the 3rd tempo change is called for) - I was playing from memory and forgot what the next to last chord was! I need to practice that a little more and re-record it.

You'll see when you have the music.

Regards, JF
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/04/09 02:51 PM

John,

I put the book next to it, and (honest feedback here) for my taste you are a bit too flexible with the timing. And I don't mean the tempo changes or the fermata's but basically the rythm within a certain phrase or even bar.

Just to mention a few things I noticed from the first bit of the song...the two 8th notes at the end of bar 1 and 2 are supposed to be on the count of 'four-and' (you play left a looong one-and-two-and-three-and, and then the 2 short 8ths on 'four-and'..correct?)

Your 8ths are played earlier then written, starting already somewhere on the count of 'three and'. Especially in bar 2 you can hear it very well if you count along. They also have a kind of uneven swing feeling, of which I wonder if you did it on purpose. To me it sounds a bit un-spiritual-like

Also your rest in bar 4 was a lot shorter then notated (1/4).

I don't mean to sound too straightforward, but because of the things mentioned above , and without having the notes in front of me I felt a bit disoriented rythm wise listening to the start of the piece. And if the tempo then really starts changing, and the fermata's are showing up I really had trouble hanging in there, since I didn't have a real 'base rythm' fixed in my mind from which the changes then happen.

With the notes in front of me I did understand, and there were absolutely long stretches where the timing was perfectly in synch, but for me the start was really confusing. Again, maybe you did a lot of this on purpose, as artistic freedom, but I hope you don't mind hearing how it's perceived by a listener not familiar with the song....



Ingrid (curiously awaiting your reaction!)
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/04/09 07:54 PM

John, having the benefit of my teacher's recording, Ingrid's interpretation more closely resembles that of my teacher. In particular there are no swinging 8th notes, they are played right on the beat. Also, the trills are meant to be played a little faster I think, not being arpeggio-like. Finally, perhaps it is your digital piano, but successive notes seem to be too distinct, not having enough legato.

Once I overcome Red Dot Fever, I'll give you the opportunity to return the favour.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/04/09 07:59 PM

Originally Posted By: IngridT
John,

I put the book next to it, and (honest feedback here) for my taste you are a bit too flexible with the timing.


Ultimately a matter of opinion or personal taste - if I heard you play I might say that you're too rigid or inflexible smile


Originally Posted By: IngridT
Just to mention a few things I noticed from the first bit of the song...the two 8th notes at the end of bar 1 and 2 are supposed to be on the count of 'four-and' ... Your 8ths are played earlier then written, starting already somewhere on the count of 'three and'. Especially in bar 2 you can hear it very well if you count along.


Sorry, I don't hear that - they aren't played as smoothly as I'd like but I don't see anything wrong with their timing - maybe you were just counting too fast - I played this piece very slowly, slower than the Adagio Moderato called for, at about 70 bpm or so.

Originally Posted By: IngridT
They also have a kind of uneven swing feeling, of which I wonder if you did it on purpose. To me it sounds a bit un-spiritual-like


Again, I don't hear (and I didn't intend) a "swing" feel - actually the entire piece sounds very "unspiritual-like", due mostly to all the added extra musical accoutrements that the authors arbitrarily threw in for technical training purposes crazy

Originally Posted By: IngridT
Also your rest in bar 4 was a lot shorter then notated (1/4).


That one's OK, but I short-changed another one later on in the repeated section.

Originally Posted By: IngridT
With the notes in front of me I did understand, and there were absolutely long stretches where the timing was perfectly in synch, but for me the start was really confusing.

Ingrid (curiously awaiting your reaction!)


So, you admit that the timing was in synch for long stretches, thus inadvertently admitting that you just might have liked at least a small part of my performance - or wouldn't you go that far? grin

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/04/09 08:21 PM

Originally Posted By: OldFingers
John, having the benefit of my teacher's recording, Ingrid's interpretation more closely resembles that of my teacher. In particular there are no swinging 8th notes, they are played right on the beat. Also, the trills are meant to be played a little faster I think, not being arpeggio-like. Finally, perhaps it is your digital piano, but successive notes seem to be too distinct, not having enough legato.

Once I overcome Red Dot Fever, I'll give you the opportunity to return the favour.


Oldfingers - again I didn't intend to play any swinging 8th notes - when I do you'll know it smile But, if they do swing all the better - after all it is a spiritual! Also, there are no trills indicated to be played in this piece - there are, however 4 rolls which are the LH/RH chords connected with a wavey line which are meant to be played arpeggio-like, holding all the notes thru it's execution, and with a speed at the performer's discretion (which I determined to be fairly slowly in the spirit of the music). Finally the are no legato indications at any place in the music - phrase marks over the RH, but no legato marks, and phrase marks are not, as you know, legato indications - so, if they're not there I don't play them grin

Now, let me say this - since the long standing procedure here at PW (especially in the Recitals) is to first mention what you like about a performer's playing of a piece and then, second, to offer suggestions and constructive criticism, and since both of you went directly to the second part, may I thus safely assume that neither of you found anything at all to like in my performance? laugh

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/04/09 09:07 PM

John, I'm sorry, I think I have upset you. That was not my intention. Here-to-fore I have not make comments about a person's performance, but I just thought that I could support Ingrid's attempt to provide feedback based on my teacher's interpretation of the piece. However, you are quite right, you can play it however you like.

I was unaware that there was a protocol for commenting on a posted performance. Given that I an now aware of it, let me congratulate you for having played the piece through, having conquered Red Dot Fever. You are miles ahead of me on that score.

Bob
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/05/09 03:37 AM

John,

Just like Oldfingers, I didn't mean to be rude, or upset you. And I wasn't aware of any criticism-protocols here at PW.

You asked for suggestions, so (maybe naive) I thought I'd give some. It was really meant to help.

If I had a recording device here you could hear that I am by no means an advanced player. It happens to me often that I've been playing a new piece for a week or more, and am getting used to the 'sound' of it, and then my teacher highlights that at spot A B or C I am playing something quite different then is notated. Huh?? It sometimes really takes a while to admit that 'my' playing, which really sounded OK to me is wrong, in a sense that it's not wat it's supposed to be.

I am glad to have a teacher that puts me back on track regularly. You don't. I assumed (maybe incorrectly) that your request for suggestions meant you wanted to hear where you could do better.

I did hesitate to post my message, because I know I am the blunt type, and am easily overdoing things. The reason I decided to 'just do it' is because I've heard recordings from you before, and usually you are quite OK rythm wise. This 'confused-what's the beat' thing I experienced listening, I never had before in any song I heard you play. That's why I thought you maybe had one of those 'accidentally played it differently and got used to the sound' things going on that I do experience myself now and then as well, and hence the thought that you might benefit by one of those teacher-like 'wake up calls'.

Ingrid
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/05/09 05:05 AM

Originally Posted By: OldFingers
John, I'm sorry, I think I have upset you. That was not my intention.


Bob - I wasn't upset by your post at all (hence all the grins, etc. in my reply to reassure you of this). My explanation about the standard way typically used here to review someone's performance was intended to educate both you and Ingrid about this, and only since neither one of you submits recordings or usually reviews Recital pieces (not that I've ever noticed anyway). I wasn't trying to "scold" you or indirectly "beg" for compliments.

I was somewhat mystified, however, by (1) your very basic explanation of how, or how not, to play "swinging" 8th notes when I hadn't played any to begin with; and (2) your explanation about how a trill should be played when the music doesn't call for any trills (rolls are not trills - trills are indicated by a horizontal curvey line above a single note and not by a vertical curvey line across both staves in front of chords in both hands usually, and a trll is a rapid alternation of a note with the note immediately above it). You didn't address these two things in your reply.

You were correct about the legato aspect - I went back and looked at the sheet music again and there is a legato indication right at the very beginning of the piece (written out in a word) which I somehow missed... I usually look for the tie-like curvey line connecting notes of different pitch to designate legato playing.

I find it amusing and somewhat tell-tale that the best you can say about my performance is that I completed the piece and that I conquered the red-dot fever. smile I'm not sure if this is your true assessment or just a negative reaction to you being ofended by my "lecturing" you about performance review protocol here at PW, or both. Now, I'm sorry if I offended you, but the protocol is what it is. again, I wasn't trying to scold you but merely inform you.

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/05/09 05:31 AM

Originally Posted By: IngridT
John,

Just like Oldfingers, I didn't mean to be rude, or upset you. And I wasn't aware of any criticism-protocols here at PW.


Ingrid - see my explanation about this in my post above in reply to OldFingers. I wasn't upset or offended at all and didn't consider you rude at all.

Originally Posted By: IngridT
You asked for suggestions, so (maybe naive) I thought I'd give some. It was really meant to help.


Yes, I did and I'm sure you did - you weren't naive - are you implying that I was being dishonest in my request for suggestions? Why else would you possibly think that you were being naive?

Originally Posted By: IngridT
If I had a recording device here you could hear that I am by no means an advanced player. It happens to me often that I've been playing a new piece for a week or more, and am getting used to the 'sound' of it, and then my teacher highlights that at spot A B or C I am playing something quite different then is notated. Huh?? It sometimes really takes a while to admit that 'my' playing, which really sounded OK to me is wrong, in a sense that it's not wat it's supposed to be.


I'm sorry to hear that that's what sometimes happens to you, and you're apparently still saying that that's what happened to me - that I'm playing something wrong but just won't admit it. But, that's not the case here. My contention is that I disagree with you about your interpretation of this (your criticism and suggestions) it's not a matter of being in denial, but a matter of simply disagreeing with you - please see again my detailed point-by-point explanation in my previous reply to you above.

Originally Posted By: IngridT
I am glad to have a teacher that puts me back on track regularly. You don't. I assumed (maybe incorrectly) that your request for suggestions meant you wanted to hear where you could do better.


Again, I did want suggestions about problem areas and how I could play it better, but the ones you offered were not helpful at all (actually incorrect) and I simply don't agree with you - again see my explanation in my previous post replying to you - but why are you saying that maybe you assumed "incorrectly" that I wanted suggestions? Again, you are implying that you are suspicious that I was dishonest in my original request for them.

Originally Posted By: IngridT
I did hesitate to post my message, because I know I am the blunt type, and am easily overdoing things. The reason I decided to 'just do it' is because I've heard recordings from you before, and usually you are quite OK rythm wise. This 'confused-what's the beat' thing I experienced listening, I never had before in any song I heard you play. That's why I thought you maybe had one of those 'accidentally played it differently and got used to the sound' things going on that I do experience myself now and then as well, and hence the thought that you might benefit by one of those teacher-like 'wake up calls'.

Ingrid



Once again I must repeat that I simply disagree with your interpretations and suggestions and that no "teacher-like wake up calls" were warranted or necessary. You apparently either didn't really read my previous reply to you or you don't believe anything I said there (apparently any more than you believe that I was honest in my request for suggestions - which is unfortunate).

Regards, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/05/09 11:04 AM

I know I've been out of touch for a bit (just not a good few weeks, but that's not relevant). I've been playing and yes, I owe an update. It's coming....

For now, I'm going to weigh in on Steal Away, as I really love the piece and still play it fairly often.

John- It's obvious you put a lot of work and thought into your playing. You play better than I do, that's for sure! But I have to agree with Ingrid and Bob on this one. I, too, am not fond of your interpretation of this one. Not that I would say you are playing it "wrong," as that is a purely relative term, but in my opinion, you have maybe missed the intent of the piece. Yes, there are ornaments and details added to this arrangement for the purpose of review in the book (it is a review piece), but the song remains. It is a spiritual, yes, but not in the same vein as, say, Dry Bones or Rock-A My Soul. When I learned this one, my teacher said this is a slow, quiet piece with a lot of depth and flow. More like a lullaby than a work song. The entire piece should be very legato and connected, including the 8th notes and the rolls. To my ears, you are shorting the legato in too many places, especially the 8th notes. Not really swinging them, but edging a bit toward staccato. This is definitely one where some rubato can work quite well, but not at the expense of the flow and soothing sound of the entire piece.

But, as I say, that is just how I interpret it, and how I have always sung it. YMMV and all that.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/05/09 04:04 PM

Mak - it's entirely possible I did miss the intent of this piece, especially since I've never heard it sung or played - I was strickly going by the music as arranged, with all the added extra "stuff" thrown in - notewise it's a fairly easy piece, but all the changes in tempo and dynamics and pauses were the real challenges with this piece, which I actually took on with quite a relish! I'm not really that good at some of these extras so I looked forward to attacking this piece and improving some of them.

And, yes, it is a "slow, quiet piece with a lot of depth and flow" (as you say) - partly. But it is also loud with lots of hesitation and little flow also - partly. This is called for in the markings. And this all adds to the challenge.

As far as the legato goes I simply blew that by missing the designation (as I mentioned above), but my legato playing isn't too polished so I don't think it would have made a difference in my performance.

I'm sorry you didn't care for my interpretation, but if I really did miss the intent of the piece, well I'll just have to work on it some more and see if I can improve it. Thanks for your comments. Too bad I can't hear someone else's version (especially a teacher0 to get a better idea of the intent and how it should sound.

Let us know what you're working on these days - it really has been too long since we heard from you.

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/06/09 11:15 AM

Originally Posted By: IrishMak
This is definitely one where some rubato can work quite well, but not at the expense of the flow and soothing sound of the entire piece.


It's good that you have brought up the issue of "rubato" as it is not discussed in the Alfred Series, but it can profitably be applied to many of the pieces. My teacher brought it to my attention when I was learning the Chopin Etude in Book 2. As he expressed it, "rubato" allows a piece to "breath". I like using it where I can because it allows me to bring my own feeling to the piece as there are no strict rules for its application.

Do you find, that as a singer, you are more aware of temporal phrasing that encourages you to play less "metronomically", (if that is a word)? Sadly my vocal cords span a range of about five notes, after which I have to sing falsetto, which is even worse. I'd love to be able to sing along with some of the songs I am now playing. Lucky you!

Bob
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/08/09 02:56 PM

Bob-

Yes, definitely. Phrasing is key in singing. I am always listening (after I get a handle on the basic notes, rhythm and an idea of how the piece is supposed to sound!) for where and how a piece may lift and fall, ebb and flow- how it breathes, if you will. Much easier for me with things that have words, as the words, of course, give you a good start on phrasing. Melodic pieces are often easy to "phrase" as well, since they also have a natural flow to them. Some are harder to get a handle on, but, then again, in my limited experience, the ones that don't present a natural lift and fall element to my ear right away are usually not candidates for much in the way of rubato anyway. And some pieces need a light touch on the bending of the written tempo, and some can take a lot without sounding "off."
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/09/09 04:18 PM

Originally Posted By: IrishMak
Phrasing is key in singing.


When I was learning to play the Chopin Etude in Alfred's Book 2, I had my teacher's recording as an indication of how to apply rubato. Then John Frank pointed out to me that a "modern" version of the piece was recorded as "No Other Love". I downloaded a Jo Stafford recording and listened to her phrasing, which, with the words, brought another dimension to the piece and especially to the application of rubato. The temporal phrasing, with the lyrics, was lovely, and now when I play I have that sound and lyrics in my head which improves the musicality tremendously.

It must be great fun for you to sing and play.

I'll be away from cyberspace for a month. Hopefully when I return I will have solved my problems with the 1/32nd notes in Fur Elise and I will have "officially" completed Book 3.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/10/09 07:46 AM

Originally Posted By: OldFingers
Originally Posted By: IrishMak
Phrasing is key in singing.


When I was learning to play the Chopin Etude in Alfred's Book 2, I had my teacher's recording as an indication of how to apply rubato. Then John Frank pointed out to me that a "modern" version of the piece was recorded as "No Other Love". I downloaded a Jo Stafford recording and listened to her phrasing, which, with the words, brought another dimension to the piece and especially to the application of rubato. The temporal phrasing, with the lyrics, was lovely, and now when I play I have that sound and lyrics in my head which improves the musicality tremendously.



I used the same song (adapted in the early 1950s for Jo by her husband, band leader Paul Weston, which became a real big pop hit) to guide me in my own pratice/performance of the Book 2 arrangement of 10/3 - in it's phrasing especially it was very close to versions of Chopin's original which I've seen/heard on YouTube (in adition to being a great song well sung by Jo).

I think as some of us may work our way thru the Great American Songbook eventually that we'll find the same use of a great vocalist's interpretation of many of the best songs as an excellent guide to their performance as an instrumental piano piece.

Regards, JF
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/11/09 11:20 PM

OK it's official I'm here

Looking forward to continuing the journey making new friends and catching up with old one :thumbup: Looks like I'm going to be here for at least a year for sure..

So up this week will be the "just for fun" song, catch you in a bit...

thumb
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/12/09 05:53 AM

TTigg - welcome! - nice to have you with us - there's much in Book 3 to like (and to challenge) - keep us updated on what you're working on and how you're doing - I'm currently working on "Come Back to Sorrento", which is near the end of the first (or Review) section - I'm also working out of two other sources simultaneously: "Essential Keyboard Repertoire" (early intermediate Classical pieces also from Alfred) and "The Definitive Hymn Collection" (intermediate arrangements published by Hal Leonard).

Good luck and have fun!

Regards, JF
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/12/09 07:25 AM

Undone pokes his head through the doorway.

“Is this the place where the Book 3 crowd hangs out? I just finished with book 2 last night and will be starting book 3 tonight. Hey, isn't that TTigg sitting over there?”

Undone
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/12/09 09:23 AM

Undone - welcome also - I've admired many of your recordings from Book 2 and the way you've always encouraged those studying with you there.

Good luck and have fun too!

Regards, JF
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/12/09 09:25 AM

Thanks JF, looking forward to it. Teacher and I did scan the back of the book to see "what's in store" and OH MY!! shocked

Originally Posted By: Undone
Undone pokes his head through the doorway.

“Is this the place where the Book 3 crowd hangs out? I just finished with book 2 last night and will be starting book 3 tonight. Hey, isn't that TTigg sitting over there?”

Undone

It is indeed mate, glad to have you here, timing was impeccable smile
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/12/09 10:25 AM

Wow!! 2 new book-3-ers!!!

Welcome guys!!

Pianolessons just stopped here for a long summer break, so you'll have a good 10 weeks to catch up on me! I'll be mostly working on non-alfred's things, just like last summer. When there's no lessons for a while it's a good time to work on something different, or relatively 'big', at least I found out that for me that's a fun thing to do. Last year I worked on some Satie pieces, this summer it will be Yann Tiersen (don't know if you read through the thread, so maybe I'm telling you nothing new.)

Anyway, I'm looking forward to hear how you guys are going to attack book 3, and I'll be glad to offer support, ideas, a listening ear or whatever....Have fun with the super-special-song!

Ingrid (currently stuck on an unfinished 'unfinished symphony)
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/12/09 12:56 PM

Hi to our new member! I have had a time between work and grad course ( which has two more weeks to go). I did play through "Toccata" for my instructor and with only 5 places, she was quite pleased. And so am I. I going to work on those five places and have it ready for perfection:-). My instructor is having surgery so we won't be meeting for a month, but that's okay... I have enough to keep busy. I'm starting on "Moonlight Sonata" and some easier pop tunes such as "Lean on Me" and Hanon. Take care everyone!
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/17/09 07:45 AM

Just to keep this thread from sinking too far down the list – My first week in Book 3 is going well. I’m working on both “A Super-Special Sorta Song” (who comes up with these titles?) and “Calypso Rhumba” while going over the theory section that follows. I have both pieces close to being finished but Super-Special is a good one for hitting wrong notes due to “momentary lapses in concentration”, so it may take a bit longer.

Undone
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/17/09 09:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Undone
Just to keep this thread from sinking too far down the list – My first week in Book 3 is going well. I’m working on both “A Super-Special Sorta Song” (who comes up with these titles?) and “Calypso Rhumba” while going over the theory section that follows. I have both pieces close to being finished but Super-Special is a good one for hitting wrong notes due to “momentary lapses in concentration”, so it may take a bit longer.

Undone


Right there with you bud thumb
Wait, there's theory for this week too? wink I'm only working on the 1st for this week trying to ensure I get it down so I can move on to the next.... It's going to be good to have a sud o study partner for #3 smile
SC
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/18/09 08:32 AM

TTigg – you may have a jump on the theory part. I remember you writing that you were reviewing the circle of fifths at the end of your “Not-All-In-One” Book 2. Well, the All-In-One version did’nt have that at the end, but it’s here in Book 3, right after the Calypso Rhumba.

Undone
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/18/09 09:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Undone
TTigg – you may have a jump on the theory part. I remember you writing that you were reviewing the circle of fifths at the end of your “Not-All-In-One” Book 2. Well, the All-In-One version did’nt have that at the end, but it’s here in Book 3, right after the Calypso Rhumba.

Undone

Gotcha,
Well for this week (lesson is today) I'm hoping to get my pass on "special sorta song". Then for next week I will work on Calypso Rhumba and the "review of the circle of 5ths".

You're right the first one can be going great and then a quick lapse of concentration (I guess same with any piece) and it turns quickly. So how's Calypso going? I'm hoping easy'sh since we're just getting started with #3..

cool SC
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/19/09 08:29 AM

Yep, I think “Special Sorta Song” is definitely the more difficult of the two. Calypso seemed a little strange the first couple of times through, but quickly started to make sense and has fallen into place nicely.

Undone
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/19/09 09:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Undone
Yep, I think “Special Sorta Song” is definitely the more difficult of the two. Calypso seemed a little strange the first couple of times through, but quickly started to make sense and has fallen into place nicely.

Undone

Good to know since I did indeed get a "pass" from teach for "Special Sorta Song". Now this week I'm going to be working on Calypso and the first 2 pages of theory.. thumb
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/22/09 08:06 AM

TTigg & Undone - here's a brief list of what I consider the more interesting and enjoyable pieces in the early part of Book 3:

"Fandango" - not hard at all and a lot of fun to play (I have a recording of this in the June Piano bar).

"Serenade (from String Quartet)" - a little challenging to consistently bring out the melody; tricky left hand pattern change in the middle section.

"A Very Special Day" - good solid piece; nice LH arppeggio workout throughout; interesting tempo change at finishing measures.

"A Classy Rag" - good ragtime piece; lots of hand movements; easy piece to play badly and tough piece to play consistently well; I'm still tring to get a satisfactory recording of this one (something different always goes wrong each time!).

"Prelude in D Minor" - good study piece for arpeggios and hand movements.

"The Star-Spangled Banner" - not everyone here has liked playing this , but I think it's a good arrangement; new technique introduced: the tremolo!

"Swan Lake" - very nice arrangement of a beautiful melody (I recorded this and it can be found in the May Piano Bar (I think?).

"Scheherazade" - another unique arrangement; lovely melody; totally satisfying study piece; you will like this one!

"Come back to Sorrento" - my current piece - absolutely beautiful Italian love song; excellent arrangement; challenging hand movements around the keyboard; wonderful piece!


Have fun!

Regards, JF
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/22/09 09:39 AM

Thanks JF,
Very much looking forward to it, working on Calypso this week smile
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/23/09 08:11 AM

Thanks JF,

I've just started working on Fandango and have been enjoying it too.

Undone
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/23/09 08:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Undone
Thanks JF,

I've just started working on Fandango and have been enjoying it too.

Undone

See, you've already overtaken me smile. This week for me is some of the additional (refresh) theory and Calypso...
Posted by: marimorimo

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/24/09 11:06 AM

I came to say hi, but I'm from the Book 1 thread grin

I've got a question for my seniors. I see that Book 3 has Fur Elise as one of the pieces at the end. Is it the original and complete version or is it a simplified arrangement?
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/24/09 12:28 PM

Originally Posted By: marimorimo
I came to say hi, but I'm from the Book 1 thread grin

I've got a question for my seniors. I see that Book 3 has Fur Elise as one of the pieces at the end. Is it the original and complete version or is it a simplified arrangement?

I'll let you know when I get to the end smile JK I don't know if it's the real proper version but it's 4 1/2 pages long if that helps...
- SC
Posted by: molto_agitato

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/24/09 12:40 PM

Originally Posted By: marimorimo
I came to say hi, but I'm from the Book 1 thread grin

I've got a question for my seniors. I see that Book 3 has Fur Elise as one of the pieces at the end. Is it the original and complete version or is it a simplified arrangement?


It's the original and complete version.
Posted by: marimorimo

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/25/09 08:09 AM

Originally Posted By: molto_agitato

It's the original and complete version.


Oh wow! Playing the whole of Fur Elise is one of my goals in piano. I'm so glad I can learn to play it with the Alfred Series. Now I've got to work so I can reach Book 3 faster!

Thanks a lot for the info smile
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/30/09 02:35 PM

Update: finished up study of "Come Back to Sorrento" today - a recording of this can be found at the top of the July Piano Bar thread.

Beginning study of "Magic Carpet Ride" piece - looks to be fairly easy - can't see it taking more than a week (or less), then onto the "Mountain King" piece.

Also continuing studies out of the "Essential Keyboard Repertoire" book with a piece by Robert Schuman named simply "Melody".

Regards, JF
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 06/30/09 03:33 PM

Nicely done JF....

Well my update this week is that I'm almost done with Fandango (love it!) and will for sure add this to my daily routine. I may also try to pick up the books separate as I believe they are available now (wasn't before) we'll see..

Undone,
How's it going bud?

SC

Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/01/09 07:42 AM

I’ve made it through Fandango and Modern Sounds and am now working on Jazz Sequences. This book started off somewhat like Book 2 for me. I was able to move through the first few pieces quite rapidly (two at a time) and started thinking “Hey, I must be getting pretty good at this stuff”. Then I got to Jazz Sequences which is a little trickier and I started looking at Serenade. Well Serenade certainly put me back in my place! That one is going to take some work. I think I’ll concentrate solely on Jazz Sequences until I’m finished with that and can then put my full attention toward Serenade.

Undone
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/03/09 05:50 AM

Undone - good plan - I found "Jazz Sequences" a little tricky also, and didn't really get a good handle on it until I went back and reviewed it 4 months later - the same thing was true with "Serenade", which I spent extra time initially working on (it sort of "demands" it) and which I recorded and submitted to one of the recent ABF Recitals, but which I wasn't completely happy with until I went back some time later and reviewed it - not an easy piece to play well.

As you would expect I almost always play pieces better after letting them rest awhile and then reviwing them - which is why I continually do it for most of the pieces.

Regards, JF
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/05/09 05:49 PM

Hi all! I have completely finished Toccata" I will post this on line when my "temporary roommate" leaves in nine days! Actually, it's been good. But it will be better when she leaves:-)
I am working on "Moonlight Sonata" and my instructor wants me to start on "Fur Elise", both of these just the first page.

Take care all!!
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/05/09 05:51 PM

Oh the question about "Fur Elise", my instructor thought that it was the original but that there should be a few more pages. Just a thought... I'll find out definitely later this week!
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/06/09 07:33 AM

Thanks JF – I worked on “Jazz Sequences” by itself since the 1st of the month (after having started it earlier in combination with Modern Sounds) and just managed to “put it to bed” last night. Now it’s on to Serenade. I really like this piece and know it will take some time to do it justice.

Piano4 – Looking forward to hearing your recording of Toccata!

Undone
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/10/09 07:48 AM

Time to bring this thread back to the first page.

I’m still plugging away at Serenade from Strings. I’m having a tuff time getting the section at the bottom of page one down, but I’m really enjoying working on this piece. My practice sessions have been encroached on a bit this week, and I may not get any in over the weekend: I’ll be walking down the aisle on Sunday. This time it’s as father of the bride. smile

Undone
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/10/09 04:57 PM

I'm back for a while, but must report that I have been a little bad, not having practiced a lot while I was away. After spending the day, felling and limbing trees, then cutting and splitting logs, I'm not inclined to sit at my piano. Therefore I officially remain a member of the Book 3 club as I have been unable to produce a satisfactory version of Fur Elise; the 1/32nd notes continue to give me problems. Piano4, I hope your teacher is correct, as I wouldn't want a version that was any more difficult than the one in Book 3 as it is pushing the limits of my ability.

John Frank, if on your visit to Acadia you are interested in doing "touristy" things, you might be interested in a visit to Rockland where the Farnsworth has a fine Wyeth collection. It gives a nice feeling for the Maine coast. To get to my camp I take the ferry from Rockland to an island in the Penobscot Bay that is the lobster capital of the world, although right now the lobstermen are quite unhappy as the catch and the price are down dramatically. I first visited Acadia 40 years ago and camped on the shore of a river just over the bridge. When I got up in the morning I was startled to find that there was no water in the river and the boats were just sitting on mud. The locals must have had a good laugh when they told me the tide was out. I had to confess I did not realize that the tidal flow was so dramatic that an entire river would drain and fill twice a day. Have a nice trip. I think you will enjoy it. Maine is like no other place. (Sorry everyone for the OT, but JT touched a nerve)
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/10/09 07:24 PM

Undone - congratulations on being FOTB!

Also - keep hammering away at "Serenade" - you'll get it down - that middle section was (is) tough.

OldFingers - welcome back - good to hear from you again - my wife & I are looking forward to the Maine trip - the more I look into it and plan it the more excited I get! I'm not sure if the 8-10 days we've set aside will be enough - from what I can see one could easily spend 4-5 days in each of the regions (Southern Beaches, Midcoast & Acadia)- there seems to be so much to see & do - Is that island Vinylhaven?

Regards, JF
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/12/09 04:58 PM

Originally Posted By: John Frank
Is that island Vinylhaven?


John Frank, you have done your research well. Yes, my camp is on Vinalhaven, not to be confused with North Haven which is nearby. The beautiful people summer on North Haven, but the real people live on Vinalhaven, if you know what I mean. You have picked a good time to visit Mid-coast Maine as the traffic is quite reasonable. Usually Route 1 is so busy it can take all of the fun out of a visit, but not this summer.

Now that I'm back I'm practicing again and struggling to work through the 1/32nd notes in Fur Elise. It's so bad that I've had to get out the metronome to keep my pace. It seems that as I anticipate the 1/32nd notes, I speed everything up.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/13/09 07:14 AM

Originally Posted By: OldFingers
Originally Posted By: John Frank
Is that island Vinylhaven?


John Frank, you have done your research well. Yes, my camp is on Vinalhaven, not to be confused with North Haven which is nearby. The beautiful people summer on North Haven, but the real people live on Vinalhaven, if you know what I mean.


Well, I guess I'll just have to visit North Haven instead of Vinalhaven since I'm definitely one of the "beautiful people"... laugh

Actually, Rockland is on our definite itinerary list and Vinalhaven is on our "possible" itinerary list (time permitting), to see the lobster fleet in action, check out the abandoned granite quarries and visit the Historical Museum. The AAA Tour Book says it was incorporated in 1789 (about the time when good, old George was becoming our 1st President) and describes it as the "home of one of the most productive lobster-fishing fleets in the world". We might be checking out other islands during our trip including Monhegan, Isle au Haut, and the Cranberries off Acadia.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled thread...

Regards, JF
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/14/09 03:07 PM

Hello, Book 3 Folk! Yes, I'm still around, just not posting much since there hasn't been much progress. It's been a rough month and a half or so for me.

Anyway, I've gotten thru the Bach Prelude in C, and we put it aside last week, after discussing it and agreeing that, while it is far from perfect, I have pretty much done what I can at my present level. We will pick it up again in a year or so, and see what happens. Kind of stuck on the Trumpet Tune- cannot seem to get it up to speed! Played thru the beginning of the Toccata in Dm, but just the intro. Speed will be an issue here, as well, I think. Not much progress in the Meir book, either.
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/14/09 06:32 PM

Originally Posted By: IrishMak
Kind of stuck on the Trumpet Tune- cannot seem to get it up to speed! Played thru the beginning of the Toccata in Dm, but just the intro. Speed will be an issue here, as well, I think.


Mak, I have been waiting for someone to take on Trumpet Tune. It took me several weeks to get it right, particularly the tricky rhythm to get the "martial" feeling to it. For me it was the hardest piece in Book 3. I found that if I sat up really straight, assumed a military-like posture, and flexed my arms in a military-like way, it put me in a mood to play "military-like". I demonstrated this to my teacher, sort of jokingly, but he agreed that it is important to assume the correct frame of mind for playing particular types of music.

I must confess that I didn't like Toccota as a piece of music and couldn't see working at it for weeks and not having a desirable product at the end, so I refused to learn it. My teacher's attitude is not to work at a piece of music if I didn't like it. I guess that's one of the benefits of being a very senior citizen.

Bob
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/14/09 07:14 PM

Yeah, getting the right "feel" to Trumpet Tune is tough. Maybe I will try your military posture idea!

I like Toccata- always have. I hope to get it going well enough that when I get the Kawai set up again, I can pull up the organ voice and scare the neighbors! LOL

My teacher is much like yours. If I really, really don't like a piece, she does not insist I learn it anyway. Even with the pieces in Alfred's that are there to teach you a particular thing, she feels there are so many other pieces that will teach you the same thing, it's easy enough to find something I will enjoy. If I don't like it, I won't devote a lot of practice time to it, and if I don't do that, well...
Posted by: IngridT

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/16/09 04:09 PM

Hi all!

Yep, still alive. I feel a bit guilty having been absent for weeks, so here's a quick sign of life before I disappear for a 2 weeks summer holiday to Switzerland and France....

I am in the middle of a long piano-summer-break, and to be honest I haven't been moving forward a lot. Alfreds has'nt been open, except to replay some old favourites (prelude in C!!) and Satie is still there. The only new thing I've been working on is my Yann Tiersen summer-project. After playing around a bit in the book I settled on the Valse d'Amelie as a first piece to work on, and I LOVE it!! It's beautifull, and it has a nice way of increased difficulty throughout the piece. Starting with a fairly simple melody in the right hand with left hand chords, then these up-and-down moving waves with the left hand with right something fairly simple, then some octave like things to add some 'depth' and then in the end combining the difficult left and right hand things together..difficult, but in a primitive way I did manage to play it through all the way to the end , which really made me feel proud of myself. Ha!!...love it!!

Even funnier is that althought it is a waltz (3/4 beat) there is an 'intro' and a 'closing sentence' that are written in 2/4. And the weird thing is that it doesn't clash, and even that the 2/4 piece sounds waltz-like. Very strange.

anyway, for those interested here's a youtube link to a version that sounds quite ok to me... (no way there yet though. hahaha!I'll spend the rest of the summer getting it smoother and faster))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFY1m3OD0jY


Good luck to all of you...if the new arrivals keep the speed up a bit you'll have passed me by the time I'll restart lessons in september.......(but we'll see, i remember the for me the first few pieces in book 3 seemed to be mastered fairly easy, but somewhere things did change a bit......)

Ingrid

PS...oh, and I love that idea of sitting up straight when playing something military like. You do have to get in the right mood for a piece of music. I cannot play satie when I am all stressed. It does work the other way around too though. When my adrenaline level is way up playing a soothing piece of music can actually calm me down very quickly! (you guys don't get agressive by playing to much Toccata i hope?? LOL. It's not my favourite piece either buy the way. My teacher played it for me, but I think I'll pass.
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/20/09 03:13 PM

Hello there,

Been a little "absent" from this current topic for a couple of weeks. Lots of "crap" going on at work so we'll see where that all ends up..

Currently working on finishing up Jazz Sequences and will then move onto the Serenade from String Quartet. Also have to put in some serious time with "Falling Slowly" which is another side project (study group thread)

I'm also going to get hold of the #3 theory & lesson separately. Originally when I ordered from Amazon they were only available in the "all-in-one" but I've seen them at my local Music store so I'm going to get them, I much prefer having the 2 books separate following on from #2 and #1..

Woah, and now I see it's online Recital time coming up in a month (arrrrggh) lol

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Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/21/09 07:10 AM

Things have been a little hectic around here as well. We’ve had our two year old grandson staying with us this past week and he’s been sleeping / napping in the same room as my piano. So my practice time has been based more around his schedule then mine. I still managed to put the final wraps on Serenade and have moved on to “The Grand Piano Band”.

Undone
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/22/09 08:32 PM

Hi all! I'm back and working on Fur Elise! Oh boy! And I thought "Toccata was hard! I will concentrate very hard to get that on so that you can hear this, Undone! I played this for some guests last night and completely forgot part of it!!!! AUGHHH

Anyhow, I have a question about "Fur Elise" On the page three in the Alfred's Book 3, on the last measure ( no I haven't gotten there just yet) but does anyone know why it is shown to play the series of sixteenth notes in the 3,2,3, pattern? Is there a technique reason for that? My instructor said that I could try that since it is written that way but that I can use other fingers. Just curious! Thank you all! take care
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/23/09 04:15 PM

Originally Posted By: piano4
does anyone know why it is shown to play the series of sixteenth notes in the 3,2,3, pattern? Is there a technique reason for that?

When I was first learning to play Fur Elise my teacher said I could use the 3,2,3 fingering to help me to get the count right as it's easier to keep track of three packets of 3,2 than six of 3. But as I became more familiar with the piece and the sound of it was better established in my head, he encouraged me to use 3,3,3,....
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/24/09 05:47 PM

Okay, I am going to have to get more familiar with the count over all as I continue to practice. The first hard part is getting to me. The beginning I can do but the change in tempo at that point throws me off. Thank you so much OldFingers for your help! I'll eventually get this:-)
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/24/09 09:28 PM

Originally Posted By: piano4
I'll eventually get this:-)

I know you will.

I wonder how you are doing with the third section with the 1/32nd notes. While I can play the first two sections fairly well, I can't keep the same pace and get the third section right. My teacher has slowed me down to 1/16 = 144 and I have to use the metronome to get through it, but if I try to speed it up, or turn off the metronome I'm done. I need a confidence builder here.

Bob
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/28/09 07:55 AM

Finishing up "In the Hall of the Mountain King" and a review of "A Very Special Day" - this is about the half way point of the regular pieces in Book 3 - now moving on to Section 2 (new keys) with the piece "An American Hymn" (aka "Shall We Gather by the River") today.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Strings & Wood

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/28/09 09:57 AM

Originally Posted By: piano4
Hi all! I'm back and working on Fur Elise! Oh boy! And I thought "Toccata was hard! I will concentrate very hard to get that on so that you can hear this, Undone! I played this for some guests last night and completely forgot part of it!!!! AUGHHH

Anyhow, I have a question about "Fur Elise" On the page three in the Alfred's Book 3, on the last measure ( no I haven't gotten there just yet) but does anyone know why it is shown to play the series of sixteenth notes in the 3,2,3, pattern? Is there a technique reason for that? My instructor said that I could try that since it is written that way but that I can use other fingers. Just curious! Thank you all! take care


When I was trying to learn this piece many years ago, I was working from sheet music "The Pianist's Repertoire" by G. Schirmer. It has the fingering as 3,2,1,3,2,1. The 3,2,3 just seems odd to me.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/29/09 08:25 AM

Hey JF – I’m working on “A Very Special Day” myself right now. There sure is a lot going on simultaneously in this piece.

Undone
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 07/29/09 09:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Undone
Hey JF – I’m working on “A Very Special Day” myself right now. There sure is a lot going on simultaneously in this piece.

Undone


Undone - yes, there certainly is, which is a good thing - I like pieces like this - I've been reviewing selected pieces as I've moved forward in Book 3, and this was one I really wanted to concentrate on and "get down" - usually, I play a piece better on the review, but this one is giving me a little trouble for some strange reason, mostly in the ending, slowed down section, where something always seems to go wrong - maybe I've been trying to play it too "perfectly", which just isn't going to happen -

I think I may need to give it a rest and move on to a review of "A Classy Rag", which was even more challenging the first time thru. Good luck with "Day" - I'm sure you'll end up playing it very well, as usual.

Regards, JF
Posted by: nancy_w

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/03/09 01:32 AM

I just started working on Book #3 this week - so I thought I'd step in and see what was going on in this thread. smile I'm surprised I beat Waltz here - as I know he's one song ahead of me in #3.

I noticed there aren't as many of the songs from book #3 recorded based on the list in the listing on the first post of this thread). I admit I didn't read back through all 20+ pages of the topic - will I find more recordings buried if I do look? If we wanted to submit a recording to be posted there, is that possible? (ha - I'm getting waaaaay ahead of myself).

I look forward to working through book #3 with you all! laugh

-Nancy
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/03/09 07:02 AM

Nancy - welcome! I don't believe there have been too many pieces posted within the 20+ pages of the Book 3 thread - however, you are encouraged to do so at any time - and if you want a song posted back on page one as a sample then Mark will have to copy it there after you post it here (since the Opening Post was his) - just tell him when you post it here (in the body of the thread) that you would like it posted back there also (or PM him).

Keep us updated on your continuing progress.

Regards, JF
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/03/09 08:53 AM

Originally Posted By: nancy_w
I just started working on Book #3 this week - so I thought I'd step in and see what was going on in this thread. smile I'm surprised I beat Waltz here - as I know he's one song ahead of me in #3. -Nancy


Welcome Nancy!! Waltz is "lurking" I believe since he's finished (a very nice rendition) of Cannon in D.. Glad to have you, Waltz and Undone hanging around here. I mean I'm glad to see / interact with all previous Alfridites but you guys were the closest with me in #2 thumb

I've had a hellish 3-4wks since I begun #3. Not really because of the content more of what was going on with work. For approx 3wks I was unsure if I was going to have a job come Aug 1st shocked

Found out Friday I've made it through this round of "re-structuring" so now I can get back into the full swing of my practicing and movements. (phew)

1st up will be finishing up of the Serenade from String Quartet which I will do this week (spent 2kws on this one in terms of lesson time). Then moving onto the Piano big band and finishing up on some theory.

Also gotta get my recital piece polished up and recorded (both reg and possibly video too) but time is ticking on that clock!
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Posted by: nancy_w

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/03/09 12:16 PM

Originally Posted By: TTigg


Also gotta get my recital piece polished up and recorded (both reg and possibly video too) but time is ticking on that clock!
cool


Glad to hear your job is safe for now... That's always unnerving. My husband is currently contracting and I dread him having to find something new when his current one is up.

As for the recital - I just checked the dates and I have a crazy idea I want to play the Dan Coats version of Canon in D (but it's still an 'easy' version) for it. I didn't get a clean recording of the Alfred version yet; but why should that stop me? :P We'll see if I can get it cleaned up enough in time.. now that the heat has dissipated it's much more pleasant to sit at the piano and practice.
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/03/09 04:33 PM

Originally Posted By: nancy_w

Glad to hear your job is safe for now... That's always unnerving. My husband is currently contracting and I dread him having to find something new when his current one is up.

As for the recital - I just checked the dates and I have a crazy idea I want to play the Dan Coats version of Canon in D (but it's still an 'easy' version) for it. I didn't get a clean recording of the Alfred version yet; but why should that stop me? :P We'll see if I can get it cleaned up enough in time.. now that the heat has dissipated it's much more pleasant to sit at the piano and practice.


Sounds like a great plan Nancy, will be looking forward to it thumb
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/03/09 06:24 PM

Hi all,

Oldfingers, I'm sorry I'm getting back late in replying to you. I FINALLY got the second page ( the first hard part of "Fur Elise") and that nearly drove me to drink (Smile).My instructor is pushing me to get the tempo of those 1/32 notes.. to not slow down and I may just have that drink :-) But I will get this eventually!

Oh, "A Very Special Day" I thought was kind of pretty.Matter of fact, I played that for some guests. I was surprised I remembered it!!!

CarlMC, yes, my instructor thought that the fingering was a bit different and she didn't know why it was written in that matter.But she told me I could try it if I wanted to and if it didn't work then to use 3, 2, 1. I'll get that as soon as I narrow down page two!

Hi Nancy, glad to see" you in Book 3! It's pretty fun, I think!

Thank you all for all of your advice! I always learn a lot!

Karen
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/05/09 07:10 AM

In honor of our newest Book 3 cohort Nancy and our soon to be newest cohort Waltz, I humbly submit my “its time to move on already” recording of A Very Special Day:

http://www.box.net/shared/ku9epotq7f


Undone
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/05/09 07:53 AM

Originally Posted By: piano4


Oh, "A Very Special Day" I thought was kind of pretty.Matter of fact, I played that for some guests. I was surprised I remembered it!!!

Karen



Karen - I haven't played it for any guests yet, but it is a good, solid study piece, and I finally did get a good recording of it.

Right now I'm putting the finishing touches on "An American Hymn", which dates back to the middle of the 1800s and is more often called
"Shall We Gather at the River" (after the opening line) - Book 3's arrangement is to be played softly and slowly, but the versions I've heard of this great, old hymn are always more uptempo and livlier, so it's interesting to play it and hear it softened and slowed down - and it does have a lovely melody - what did you think of this arrangement?

Regards, JF
Posted by: nancy_w

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/05/09 09:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Undone
In honor of our newest Book 3 cohort Nancy and our soon to be newest cohort Waltz, I humbly submit my “its time to move on already” recording of A Very Special Day:

http://www.box.net/shared/ku9epotq7f


Undone


Very nicely done! It's a very pretty song. Is this one fairly near the beginning? I've tried to not look ahead too much so far smile
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/05/09 08:07 PM

Originally Posted By: nancy_w
Originally Posted By: Undone
In honor of our newest Book 3 cohort Nancy and our soon to be newest cohort Waltz, I humbly submit my “its time to move on already” recording of A Very Special Day:

http://www.box.net/shared/ku9epotq7f


Undone


Very nicely done! It's a very pretty song. Is this one fairly near the beginning? I've tried to not look ahead too much so far smile


It's the 8th piece if you count the "Just for Fun" pieces (and you probably should) - these "Fun" pieces leave a lot to be desired in terms of the lyrics, but musically they can be interesting study pieces, especially if you enhance them by using intros, repeats, etc. where none currently exist in the music just to make them a little more challenging.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/06/09 02:42 PM

Hi everyone,

I guess I'm the newest member of the Book 3 thread smile . My name is Waltz and I just finished Book 2 and I'm now completely on Book 3. I'm rejoining my friends Ttigg and Undone from the Book 2 thread, and am excited to meet all other people on the Book 3 thread. I also have met John Frank from his help on the other thread.

I tend to post a lot, and will try to bump this thread at least once per day. I also have a penchant for making horrible videos of myself playing Alfred's pieces, and then forcing them into threads:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryVLn572Rvc

Anyway, I recorded Canon in D twice, the second time being my recital piece. I had the second, final version, "locked" on youtube, but I went ahead and unlocked it, so if anyone wants to see it ahead of time, they can. I guess it was kind of silly to keep it "secret" until then.

I'm excited to be here now, and look forward to meeting those I don't know.

Oh, and Ttigg, this is the first time I've actually looked at the Book 3 thread, I was keeping it a surprise lol.
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/06/09 02:57 PM

welcome Waltz...book 3 really moves you to the next level...enjoy!
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/06/09 06:37 PM

Thanks Mark... Are you currently on Book 3 or have you already finish it?

I haven't had time to read much of this thread yet. I only skimmed the posts on the last page. I have a lot of catching up to do, and I plan on reading this entire thread, from page 1, in the next few days. Thanks again for the welcome smile
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/06/09 06:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Undone
In honor of our newest Book 3 cohort Nancy and our soon to be newest cohort Waltz, I humbly submit my “its time to move on already” recording of A Very Special Day:

http://www.box.net/shared/ku9epotq7f


Undone


Undone - good job on "Day" - well played.

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/06/09 06:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Hi everyone,

I guess I'm the newest member of the Book 3 thread smile . My name is Waltz and I just finished Book 2 and I'm now completely on Book 3.

I'm excited to be here now, and look forward to meeting those I don't know.



Waltz - welcome! Nice to have you here.

If you bump this thread once a day it may crash - it's not used to that! grin

Regards, JF
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/06/09 07:34 PM

Thanks JF, It's really nice to be here!
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/07/09 07:01 AM

Originally Posted By: John Frank
Undone - good job on "Day" - well played.

Regards, JF


Thanks JF – this was another one (of the many) Alfred pieces where I started out thinking “Okay, this isn’t going to be anything ‘special’” and then wound up really liking it and wanted to keep working on it. After getting the above recording I had to convince myself that “That’s good enough for now, time to move on to the next piece” which just so happens to be “A Classy Rag” – another challenging number (at least I’m finding it challenging at this point).

Undone
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/07/09 07:04 AM

Welcome aboard Waltz!
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/07/09 07:52 AM

I'm still in the back working the ambitious stuff as well as my favorite Prelude in D. I've moved to some intermediate books but still in book 3 too...
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/07/09 01:47 PM

Thank Undone and Mark... for the replies.

Calypso Rhumba:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p43-gHGBlqo

I'm working on Fandango now, which I really like. Nothing of yet has been too challenging, but I'm sure that's going to change soon. I still have lots of catching up to do with this thread.
Posted by: nancy_w

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/07/09 02:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryVLn572Rvc

Anyway, I recorded Canon in D twice, the second time being my recital piece. I had


I just had a chance to watch this - and you did wonderfully! I think you slowed it down in this second version just enough. Nice job and great recital piece. I spent 40 mins this morning working on my Canon in D (The Coates version); but don't know if it'll be recital ready by next week.

Just curious - what did you use to record the video and sound for you tube? i have a camera that can take video; but I don't know how the sound quality would come out.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/07/09 02:24 PM

Thanks Nancy smile !

I use the camcorder's audio for the sound, I don't have an external mic or anything like that. My camera is a sony, and it's fairly new, and when I bought it, it was "in the middle" as far as quality is concerned. So obviously the sound/video isn't the best, plus I generally compress the files to between 15-25 mb, so they'll upload nicely.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/07/09 03:51 PM

nancy w - just a little note to let you know that I answered two questions you asked in separate posts above (since you haven't responded to either answer I'm assuming you missed them and I wanted to draw your attention to them).

Regards, JF
Posted by: nancy_w

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/07/09 06:18 PM

I did see your messages. I read the new posts by watching the thread and it emails me the new posts when there's an update, but don't always get a chance to reply.

Thanks to everyone for the warm welcome - I'll have to get to work on my Super Special song which is the first one in the book.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/08/09 12:03 PM

Waltz – nice job on your first two book 3 pieces. I look forward to being able to listen to your recordings of the pieces I’m beginning to work on. smile

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/08/09 12:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Undone
Waltz – nice job on your first two book 3 pieces. I look forward to being able to listen to your recordings of the pieces I’m beginning to work on. smile

Undone


Thanks Undone! Haha, by what I've read on the first ten pages of the thread, I'll probably be slowing down "big time" soon. On which piece/page are you working?
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/08/09 05:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Originally Posted By: Undone
Waltz – nice job on your first two book 3 pieces. I look forward to being able to listen to your recordings of the pieces I’m beginning to work on. smile

Undone


Thanks Undone! Haha, by what I've read on the first ten pages of the thread, I'll probably be slowing down "big time" soon. On which piece/page are you working?


Well to jump in and steal Undone's thunder (never of course) I'm hitting "A Very Special Day" this week. It's a very nice piece (unlike it's previous ones) and I'm prob going to be here for a good 2-3wks..

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Posted by: PeggySue

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/09/09 12:01 PM

Very nice playing everyone! I'm only starting Book 1 but I love hearing everyone's recordings of the more advanced pieces. Keep up the good work!

PS
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/09/09 12:33 PM

Well, since you asked PS, here's my version of "An American Hymn", which is in the new key of A Major and is the first piece in Section 2 of Book 3.

This piece is much more commonly called "Shall We Gather at the River" (after the first line of the first verse) and was written way back in 1864 by Robert Lowry.

The Book's arrangement is nice, but I've enhanced it a bit by adding (1) and "intro" based on the last phrase (a very common technique) and (2) insertng a D.S. al Fine at the end of measure 16, which jumps back to the start of the chorus at measure 9.

These same techniques can be used often to spice up many of the study pieces found in any number of methods and songbooks.

Enjoy!

An American Hymn

Regards, JF
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/10/09 07:07 AM

Very nicely played JF. It’s great to get a glimpse of where we’re headed. This piece certainly does have a lot going on behind the melody.

Undone
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/10/09 07:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Originally Posted By: Undone
Waltz – nice job on your first two book 3 pieces. I look forward to being able to listen to your recordings of the pieces I’m beginning to work on. smile

Undone


Thanks Undone! Haha, by what I've read on the first ten pages of the thread, I'll probably be slowing down "big time" soon. On which piece/page are you working?


Waltz – I’m currently working on A Classy Rag. This is another one that is going to take some time to get through.

Undone
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/10/09 08:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Undone
Very nicely played JF. It’s great to get a glimpse of where we’re headed. This piece certainly does have a lot going on behind the melody.

Undone


Undone - thanks for the kind words, which mean a lot coming from one who is such a good player himself - behind the melody is an on-going series of arpeggiated chords, with some variations, which provide a very nice base for the RH melody, which contains numerous double notes to help make that melody stand out.

Speaking of "A Classy Rag" I'm reviewing that piece at the momemt when I get a chance - I really liked this piece the first time thru and got a fairly good recording of it, which I'm going to try to improve. This piece is as much fun as the Joplin piece "Solace" way back in Book 2. I would recommend observing the repeat sign after the D.S. al Fine and also playing the intro 8va as a Coda at the very end (as the Book suggests). I don't think you'll have too much trouble with it, especially since you already have some experience playing Ragtime music if I remember correctly about the piece you submitted to a recent Recital.

Speaking of which, are you submitting one for this upcoming Recital? I have a nice little Baroque-style Minuet from the "Essential Keyboard Repertoire" book I'm also currently working out of already uploaded.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/10/09 03:06 PM

JF,

I can't really contribute much commentary but I absolutely liked your playing of An American Hymn; very pretty.

Undone,

A Classy Rag sounds like it may be Ragtime music, which I know you like. I'm sure it won't take you too long to master.

Here is Fandango:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyDwa1IHQYY

Hope everyone is having a nice Monday,

W
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/10/09 03:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
JF,

Here is Fandango:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyDwa1IHQYY

Hope everyone is having a nice Monday,

W


Bravo mate, nicely done. I can see I'm going to get behind very quickly (already am with videos needed to be done).. Hmmm gotta light a fire and get moving smile

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Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/10/09 05:33 PM

Originally Posted By: TTigg
Originally Posted By: Waltz
JF,

Here is Fandango:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyDwa1IHQYY

Hope everyone is having a nice Monday,

W


Bravo mate, nicely done. I can see I'm going to get behind very quickly (already am with videos needed to be done).. Hmmm gotta light a fire and get moving smile

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Thanks man smile ! I'm looking forward to your videos, but don't feel rushed, I am lucky that I have some free time at lunch some days to do them, they do take a while to make.

Fandango is the only piece I've liked so far in Book 3. I'm preparing to put the finishing touches on "Modern Sounds" but I don't like it very much. The first two I didn't like either.

I hope "Jazz Sequences" is better.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/11/09 07:14 AM

Originally Posted By: John Frank
Originally Posted By: Undone
Very nicely played JF. It’s great to get a glimpse of where we’re headed. This piece certainly does have a lot going on behind the melody.

Undone


Undone - thanks for the kind words, which mean a lot coming from one who is such a good player himself - behind the melody is an on-going series of arpeggiated chords, with some variations, which provide a very nice base for the RH melody, which contains numerous double notes to help make that melody stand out.

Speaking of "A Classy Rag" I'm reviewing that piece at the momemt when I get a chance - I really liked this piece the first time thru and got a fairly good recording of it, which I'm going to try to improve. This piece is as much fun as the Joplin piece "Solace" way back in Book 2. I would recommend observing the repeat sign after the D.S. al Fine and also playing the intro 8va as a Coda at the very end (as the Book suggests). I don't think you'll have too much trouble with it, especially since you already have some experience playing Ragtime music if I remember correctly about the piece you submitted to a recent Recital.

Speaking of which, are you submitting one for this upcoming Recital? I have a nice little Baroque-style Minuet from the "Essential Keyboard Repertoire" book I'm also currently working out of already uploaded.

Regards, JF


No, I didn’t have anything ready for this recital. Now that my regular Alfred’s pieces are demanding more time and attention, I’m finding it difficult to have a recital piece ready each quarter. Twice a year is easier, but I’d still like to get something in each recital.

As for “A Classy Rag”, I definitely agree with you that the added Coda makes for a much nicer ending. It’s starting to come together for me, but that last line has yet to be tamed.

Undone
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/11/09 07:30 AM

Waltz – another fine job on Fandango. I liked this piece too. (Something sounds a little different about the timing in the first few measures to me, but I don’t have my music with me and so can’t say more.) Don’t worry about the early book 3 selections; you’ll be getting “into the thick of things” soon.

Undone
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/11/09 09:55 AM

Here's a heads-up for all of you newcomers to the Book 3 thread - you don't have to wait until you work your way completely thru all the "regular" pieces in Book 3 to tackle those in the "Ambitious Section" at the back - take them on whenever you feel you're ready for them - in fact, that's what the authors had in mind since they recommend that you do exactly that - for example, at the end of the Clementi "Prelude in D Minor" on pages 36-37 there is a note encouraging you to try the Bach "Prelude in C Major" on pages 122-123. There are several other such references scattered throughout Book 3.

Several of the people who have worked thru Book 3 and who have contributed to this thread have done so, and you'll see their commentary on these advanced pieces in previous pages. I personally have chosen not to do this (yet) mainly because the regular pieces are challenging enough right now, and also because I'm concurrently working out of two other sources on an on-going basis, and really have no more time (or energy) to devote to pieces in the "Ambitious Section.

But, if you're up for it (and ready for it) good luck and have fun!

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/11/09 09:59 AM

Waltz - nice job (as usual) on "Fandango" - very smooth - keep up the good work - you're coming along very nicely - I'm impressed with how well and how fast you learn these new pieces!

I think I have a version of this excellent piece somewhere back on a previous page here if you wanted to hear an alternate take (with an enhanced ending).

Regards, JF
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/11/09 01:08 PM

Thanks Undone and JF for watching and commenting on Fandango, I really do appreciate that.

JF,

I loved your performance of it! I especially like the poco ritardandos at 8va changes. That added an extra layer of depth to the piece.

As for the ambitious section, I should have a look at it, but I don't think I'm yet ready. Many of those pieces still seem out of my league.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/11/09 07:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
JF,

I loved your performance of it! I especially like the poco ritardandos at 8va changes. That added an extra layer of depth to the piece.



waltz - thanks much - yes, the rits were effective - and so was the fact that in the 8va sections I played both hands up an octave (instead of just the RH as the Book specifies), which added another dimension - try it - also, the added extra ending is basically just a repeat of the last two measures or so, but lowered an octave (and played "Beethovenesque" as someone said in a review).

Regards, JF
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/12/09 07:03 PM

I met with my new piano teacher today and she was amazing! I start my "official" lessons next week.

Today was the first day I've ever spent practice time site reading, and I am now going to try throw in 10 minutes per day of practicing it.

She showed me some techniques today with playing in general that I can tell are already making a difference. It is baffling how easy it is to miss out on certain basic aspects of playing.

I hope that now my playing becomes much more refined and less crude.

I'm on "Jazz Sequences". Not my favorite, but after it I think there is a nice classical piece I'll enjoy. I'll try to record Modern Sounds soon.

Hope all Alfred's 3 people are well,

Sincerely,
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/17/09 05:37 PM

This thread should not be on page 5. I'm on Haydn's Serenade. I like it smile

PS: I thought "Modern Sounds" was the worse piece of any of the three Alfred's books. It was just terrible. Anyone else feel this way? I liked Jazz sequences once I got the hand of it...
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/17/09 06:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
This thread should not be on page 5. I'm on Haydn's Serenade. I like it smile

PS: I thought "Modern Sounds" was the worse piece of any of the three Alfred's books. It was just terrible. Anyone else feel this way? I liked Jazz sequences once I got the hand of it...


Well (for me) it was the other way around laugh I mean come on, "Jazz Sequences" wasn't very, well, Jazzy! Thus far I'm beginning to like the stuff in #3. The String Serenede's nice and I do like "Very Special Day", now I'm moving onto the Classy Rag...

SC
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/17/09 07:20 PM

Ttigg, you liked Modern Sounds?

I agree about Jazz Sequences not being really like jazz. A
"sequence" is synonymous with a "phrase" right? I just enjoyed trying to play this one smoothly, making each sequence soft and light.
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/17/09 07:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Ttigg, you liked Modern Sounds?

I agree about Jazz Sequences not being really like jazz. A
"sequence" is synonymous with a "phrase" right? I just enjoyed trying to play this one smoothly, making each sequence soft and light.


I wouldn't go so far as to say I "enjoyed it" but I did prefer playing it to the Jazz Sequences one. Oddly enough that's listed as a "just for fun" in the back of #3 (separate version)

SC
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/18/09 06:53 AM

Congratulations to all you Book 3 recital participants!

I just finished “A Classy Rag” last night. This one took me much longer then I initially expected, but was a very enjoyable piece.

Undone
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/18/09 07:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Undone
Congratulations to all you Book 3 recital participants!

I just finished “A Classy Rag” last night. This one took me much longer then I initially expected, but was a very enjoyable piece.

Undone


Undone - did you get a recording of it? Would love to hear it!

JF

P.S. You're right - it is a very enjoyable piece - I'm still reviewing it, but not yet ready to record it - if I get a good one (which seems sort of iffy at the moment) it may appear in an upcoming Piano Bar???.
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/18/09 07:25 PM

I looked at " A Classy Rag" a couple of nights ago. I'm trying to figure out whether I want to go to "Lean on Me" or one of the others in book 3. Still trying to learn "Fur Elise". Finally got to the third page and I went back to "Toccata" to record it and forgot parts of it!! Aggrevating! I'll get back to it!

I've begun a new job... back in the classroom, so I still have time to learn pieces of pieces (smile).

Take care all1
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/18/09 07:38 PM

piano4 - maybe you need a little break from "Fur Elise" - "A Classy Rag" is just the ticket - a really fun piece - another outstanding piece in Book 3 (my favorite so far) is "Come Back to Sorento", which is an excellent arrangement of the great old classic Italian love song.

Good luck with the new job.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/19/09 07:01 AM

JF - I did get a recording of it (on my DP) and will try to get it moved over to BoxNet this comming weekend.

Undone
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/19/09 05:07 PM

I can see the timing on this one's going to kick my ass for the next 2wks smile
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/19/09 05:51 PM

I had a little extra time this evening, so I went ahead and transferred my recording of “A Classy Rag” to BoxNet. This take contains a few fat fingered mistakes and, as always, is far from perfect, but after having worked on this selection for several weeks, this is the point at which I decided it was time to move on. Hope you enjoy it:

http://www.box.net/shared/n9tdpl06gn

Undone
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/19/09 06:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Undone
I had a little extra time this evening, so I went ahead and transferred my recording of “A Classy Rag” to BoxNet. This take contains a few fat fingered mistakes and, as always, is far from perfect, but after having worked on this selection for several weeks, this is the point at which I decided it was time to move on. Hope you enjoy it:

http://www.box.net/shared/n9tdpl06gn

Undone

Very nicely done, holy crap that's fast! thumb I've got some work to be done....

- SC
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/19/09 06:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Undone
I had a little extra time this evening, so I went ahead and transferred my recording of “A Classy Rag” to BoxNet. This take contains a few fat fingered mistakes and, as always, is far from perfect, but after having worked on this selection for several weeks, this is the point at which I decided it was time to move on. Hope you enjoy it:

http://www.box.net/shared/n9tdpl06gn

Undone

Thanks Undone!
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/20/09 07:41 AM

Undone - yes, I did enjoy! Very much. Excellent performance. Good, steady "ragtime" tempo throughout - very polished playing with no "fat-fingering" that I noticed - you seem to have a real good feel for this style of music - I wouldn't be surprised at all if you're tearing up some complete and original Joplin soon!

Regards, JF
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/20/09 10:21 PM

Everyone,

What are your thoughts on this excerpt from pianofundamentals? :

Essentially 100% of technique development is accomplished by practicing hands separately (HS). Do not try to develop finger/hand technique hands together (HT) as that is much more difficult, time consuming, and dangerous, as explained in detail later.

Choose two short passages, one each for the right hand (RH) and the left hand (LH). Practice the RH until it begins to tire, then switch to the LH. Switch every 5 to 15 seconds, before either the resting hand cools and becomes sluggish, or the working hand becomes tired.


Thanks,
Posted by: nancy_w

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/20/09 11:41 PM

I think I get the flow of each hand better when doing them separately; but my teacher usually has me play hands together even the first time; at least as far as alfred book #2 went. I asked her about it - and she said for harder stuff we'd probably do more hands separate; but so far not really.

I usually come home and do hands separate for a little while and then together but only until I might find a problem area and then work on hands separate for a small bit. I'm not sure I'd agree it was dangerous - what does he have to say 'later' about it being dangerous? smile

On a side note - I'm really enjoying listening to everyone's uploads; just not much time to post these days.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/21/09 07:13 AM

Thanks for the comments on “A Classy Rag”. JF – I do enjoy playing Ragtime and I’d love to eventually work my way up to being able to handle some stride piano and boogie woogie. There’s also a lot of great stuff from the silent picture era that would be fun to learn too.

On a family vacation to Disney World a couple of years ago, I spent several hours sitting and listening to the piano player they had at the end of “Main Street USA”. He was phenomenal (he’d also been playing piano for over forty years). I thought at the time “what a great job, too bad I didn’t stick with the piano from the age of four”.

Undone
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/21/09 10:54 AM

Undone- nice job on Classy Rag! Far better than I ever got it!
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/21/09 10:59 AM

My teacher usually has be play HT when we cold read a new piece, for the sight reading benefit. If it's got tricky bits, she will have me work them HS for a while to get them under my fingers better, and then put them together. I usually find it's helpful to only have to think about one hand at a time with the more difficult parts. Easier to get it hammered into my brain. Easier stuff (what's that? LOL) is HT all the way.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/21/09 01:51 PM

Thanks for the replies Nancy and IrishMak,

I guess my next question is:

Do you actually learn each piece, in its entirety, for each hand? Or perhaps only practice HS for difficult sections.

The book emphasized "memorizing" the entire piece separately for each hand. I have not been doing that; sounds a bit extreme. What are everyone's thoughts on this?

Thanks so much in advance smile
Posted by: nancy_w

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/21/09 02:47 PM

I find myself running through the whole piece each hand separately a few times; esp if there are 'tricky' chord changes on the left hand that I want to make sure and get the feel for. I don't fully memorize the whole thing that way before putting hands together. Then I start playing hands together and only go back to hands separate if it's proving to be difficult.
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/22/09 10:56 AM

I do much the same as Nancy. It's what my teacher recommends. HS for difficult, tricky passages, the HT on those sections till I get them. And also work with a few measures before and after to get the transitions, as well. Now, granted, sometimes, if there's a lot of tricky bits, it does mean that almost the whole piece is worked on HS, but she does want me to try to get HT asap.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/22/09 05:16 PM

I usually try to work HT as much as possible only going to HS when I’m having too hard a time doing HT. But then I had never heard of the benefits of working HS that you read about in pianofundamentals. If the piece has a very distinctive left hand pattern that goes along despite what the right hand is doing, then I may try to get the left hand (separate) down before adding the right hand to it. Once again, this is just what I find myself doing, and not what I have reason to believe is the best or even correct way to practice.

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/22/09 06:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Undone
I usually try to work HT as much as possible only going to HS when I’m having too hard a time doing HT. But then I had never heard of the benefits of working HS that you read about in pianofundamentals. If the piece has a very distinctive left hand pattern that goes along despite what the right hand is doing, then I may try to get the left hand (separate) down before adding the right hand to it. Once again, this is just what I find myself doing, and not what I have reason to believe is the best or even correct way to practice.

Undone


This is more or less the same way I practice/learn piano pieces. That's why the pianofundamentals reading shocked me.

Thanks everyone for the replies!
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/24/09 03:16 PM

Serenade op.3 no. 5 Haydn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXOJCP5uxJw

I know it isn't perfect, and I had played it in better control while not recording, but that is all I could do while recording today. Thanks for watching/commenting
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/24/09 04:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Serenade op.3 no. 5 Haydn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXOJCP5uxJw

I know it isn't perfect, and I had played it in better control while not recording, but that is all I could do while recording today. Thanks for watching/commenting



Nicely done mate! thumb
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/24/09 05:32 PM

Thanks Ttigg smile

I'm on the grand piano whatever now (another "Palmer" piece). Pianonoobalexman's videos end on the piece I just submitted, so I have no reference for my current A3 piece. If anyone has a recording, I'd love to hear it.

BTW, pianonoobalexman slurred all of the RH eighth notes in Serenade. I did not do this; I only slurred the ones indicated, and played the others disconnected. This is one of the main reasons why it took me a while to learn this Haydn piece. It's more complicated being concerned with slur vs. disconnect while going through an ostensibly, but not acutally, redundant piece. This dynamic reduces the repetitiveness, and I certainly believe it to be indicated by the score.

BTW:

I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR A GENERAL SUBMISSION OF ALFRED'S BOOK 3 PIECES. IF YOU HAVE THEM, PLEASE POST THEM HERE. That way Mark... can post them on the main page. We're all on the same team here, so let's help each other! I also will continue to record pieces and post them here; for better or worse laugh
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/24/09 07:51 PM

Waltz - very nice indeed - good light touch - excellent tempo consistency - you are moving right along in your piano studies at a very rapid clip, with skill and growing mastery - best of all your enthusiasm is always there, which is very refreshing to see!

Regards, JF
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/24/09 08:10 PM

Thanks so much JF laugh

And don't forget to post any recordings you may have sitting around (if you'd like); we need them! wink

With Grand Piano Band (which is fun to play, even if it is a "Palmer Piece" lol), playing the eighth notes disconnected versus later playing them staccato is a little tricky. They sound similar, just the staccato is a more extreme version. Does anyone agree/disagree etc?
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/25/09 07:49 AM

Waltz - I'm working on getting a recording of "A Classy Rag" (which will be a little different but certainly not better than Undone's very excellent version), but so far I'm not completely happy with it - if I get one I'll probably submit it to the Sept. Piano Bar (and here I guess). My take on "Come Back to Sorrento" is in the July Piano Bar (or was it June?), and my version of "Swan Lake" was in an earlier Bar this year (maybe April or May?). My version of "Serenade" was submitted to a Recital, earlier this year I think, if you want to track it down. I'll try to submit other ones here if I get any good ones (always in doubt).

I guess (since you asked) I should simply uplaod them all to one post here soon and let Mark do his thing. Maybe I'll get on that...

Regards, JF
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/25/09 08:23 AM

Waltz – Great job on Serenade! I also noticed the lack of submissions for Book # 3. At first I thought of this as a hardship – nothing to listen to to get a feel for an unfamiliar selection. But then I began to think of it as another good learning experience – trying to get things right based on the printed music alone. I also liked the idea that I would not be influenced to make my playing sound just like someone else’s recording (possibly including the same mistakes).

Now of course this is no reason not to collect recordings for as many selections as possible; everyone can decide for themselves whether and when to listen to them. I’m just relaying the sort of thought process I went through when I found “Hey, I don’t have any recordings of this piece to listen to!”

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/25/09 01:08 PM

Thanks JF and Undone for the compliments and the suggestions. I still would like to compile Alfred's 3 recordings. I don't use them until I think I have the basic rhythm and sound of a piece. Then I definitely like to check to ensure my playing both sounds correct and has no erroneous notes.

Did anyone else struggle with playing "disconnected" vs. playing staccato in the same piece?
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/25/09 03:17 PM

Waltz (and whomever else may be interested) - below is what I have recorded from Book 3 so far (mostly just the pieces I really liked).

Please be advised (as you may already know) that I take a lot of "liberties" with the pieces as arranged in Book 3, re-arranging them, adding intros and repeating endings or supplying alternate endings, inserting D.S. al Fines where none exist, repeating sections when none were called for originally, varying the tempo in parts, etc. - in essence, doing just about anything and everything to enhance and enliven and extend a piece to make it more interesting and/or difficult.

So, be forwarned - while my performance of a piece carries the spirit of it, it hardly ever is a good sample of the piece exactly as arranged in the Book, and can serve only as a broad, general guide - assuming you like it enough to use it as such!).


Fandango

Theme from Serenade

Theme from Swan Lake

Come back to Sorrento

An American Hymn


Also, from Book 2 here's my take on the Joplin piece (I'll include it here because I don't think it ever appeared in the Book 2 thread):

Theme from Solace


And here's a piece I recorded for my first entry in an ABF Recital (over a year ago), which I thought you might like to hear:

The Sound of Music

Regards, JF
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/25/09 04:30 PM

Thanks so much JF!!! Now if we can only get them to the main page...

BTW: Nice job on the Serenade smile
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/26/09 07:57 PM

Thanks Waltz - in the interest of cleaning up loose ends, here's another piece from Book 2 that was submitted to a Recital, but never found it's way into the Book 2 thread - so, Mark (if you're still around) come and get it if you wish:

Hava Nagila

Regards, JF
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/26/09 10:33 PM

John where does this piece go on the list, its not in my book. Also is this played as written or did you ad lib? I don't want to put the ad lib ones on the main page in case someone wants to hear examples as written.

edit:
John I just checked and this piece Hava Nagila in in the book one thread...

Mark

Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/27/09 07:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Mark...
John where does this piece go on the list, its not in my book. Also is this played as written or did you ad lib? I don't want to put the ad lib ones on the main page in case someone wants to hear examples as written.

edit:
John I just checked and this piece Hava Nagila in in the book one thread...

Mark



Mark - Hava Nagila is in the AIO Book 2 on page 70 - I would have no idea why it's in the Book 1 thread, unless I uploaded it there at someone's request or to illustrate a point (?). But even so, it should also be on page 1 of the Book 2 thread - if you decide to use it at all.

I played Hava Nagila pretty much according to the Book arrangement, except on the repeat I only played measures 11-41 once instead of twice, thus merely shortening the piece.

However, if you're not going to include it because of any adjustments or enhancements (or "ad-libs", as you call them) that I made, then you might have to eliminate some of the other pieces already uploaded to page 1 of the Book 2 thread since they contain various "ad-libs", a fact that I believe I made clear all along - and additionally you may not want to upload some of those I just posted immediately above to the Book 3 thread for the same reason.

The choice is your's. But whatever you decide, I'll probably continue to upload selected pieces from Book 3 in the body of the 3 thread (if I manage to get a good recording) - and explain in detail how it varies from the Book's arrangement.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/27/09 10:48 AM

Hava Nagila is in the book 2 thread as well as the pieces you previously told me about from the "just for fun" forum.

Since you stopped putting your pieces there and notifying me I thought you were not interested in posting your stuff on the opening posts. Which is fine.

I do like to keep the pieces as original as possible to prevent confusion to those using them as learning examples.


Mark
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/27/09 11:47 AM

If there are any pieces from any Alfred book you want posted on the opening page, post it here and drop me a PM. Some stuff gets lost in the conversation and I don't always read through every post of every thread.

Thanks

Mark...
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/28/09 03:07 PM

Anyone in Book 3 working on method books or other pieces outside of Book 3? If so, what?

Hope everyone is doing all right,
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/28/09 03:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Anyone in Book 3 working on method books or other pieces outside of Book 3? If so, what?

Hope everyone is doing all right,

Outside of #3? OUTSIDE OF #3? you live there till you're done (lol) j/kidding..
I'm using (when I remember) the Hannon exercises. This week I've been a little side tracked (since the musical news of my Great Great Grandfather) but I have just about finished up the "ragtime" Classy Rag..

Moving onto the Prelude!

thumb SC
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/28/09 03:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Anyone in Book 3 working on method books or other pieces outside of Book 3? If so, what?

Hope everyone is doing all right,


My teacher has me in Intermediate repertoire 2 by Bastien. I'm almost done with it. It has some really nice classical pieces. This are generally 1 and 2 page short and sweet pieces. She also just started me on:

Piano Literature volume 3 for Intermediate grades which has major project classical works. This one will take a LONG time to finish. Just about completed the first piece called ballade by Friedrich Burgmiller. It a weird but really fun piece to play. Here is a good example of a guy playing it. Notice his wrists... laugh

Ballade
Posted by: molto_agitato

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/29/09 02:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Mark
Just about completed the first piece called ballade by Friedrich Burgmiller. It a weird but really fun piece to play. Here is a good example of a guy playing it. Notice his wrists... laugh

Ballade


That's a fun piece, Mark. Although, I remember it being somewhat frustrating to: 1) project the left-handed melody above the right-handed chordal accompaniment (since it's usually the opposite); 2) getting the left hand and right hand to line up exactly; and 3) if you really want to make it hard, bring out the top notes in the right hand chords.

And I was never able to get it very fast, either! Maybe I should work on it again.
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/29/09 07:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Anyone in Book 3 working on method books or other pieces outside of Book 3? If so, what?



Waltz - I am working out of Volume 1 of Alfred's "Essential Keyboard Repertoire" series on an on-going basis - this contains 100 early intermediate selections in their original form, although some of the pieces are easy enough to be considered "late beginner" - this is the book that contains Johann Krieger's "Minuet in A Minor" that I did for the latest ABF Recital (and any number of other delightful little pieces) - if you're interested in Classical music studies at all you might want to use this volume for starters.

I'm also working on David Lanz's gorgeous New Age piece called "Leaves on the Seine" from a New Age Sampler from Narada Music, which contains some works by other outstanding composers such as Wayne Gratz and Michael Jones.

In addition I have the sheet music for Dan Coates' arrangement of Jay Unger's hauntingly beautiful masterpiece "Ashokan Farewell", the theme from the PBS series "The Civil War", but haven't yet gotten into it (no time or energy!).

I also work on a hymn or two occassionally in "The Definitive Hymn Collection" from Hal Leonard (you don't have to be very religious at all to enjoy playing some of these lovely old classic hymns - some of the best music ever written).

Thanks for asking - Regards, JF

Here's the sheetmusicplus website for the EKR series (some of the descriptions are for Books and some for accompanying CDs).


Essential Keyboard Repertoire

PPS - that was a fun piece Mark!
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/29/09 12:02 PM

Originally Posted By: molto_agitato
Originally Posted By: Mark
Just about completed the first piece called ballade by Friedrich Burgmiller. It a weird but really fun piece to play. Here is a good example of a guy playing it. Notice his wrists... laugh

Ballade


That's a fun piece, Mark. Although, I remember it being somewhat frustrating to: 1) project the left-handed melody above the right-handed chordal accompaniment (since it's usually the opposite); 2) getting the left hand and right hand to line up exactly; and 3) if you really want to make it hard, bring out the top notes in the right hand chords.

And I was never able to get it very fast, either! Maybe I should work on it again.



I can do the left hand at moderate speed, but the left hand independence issues act up at full speed. I'm really having fun with this one.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/29/09 03:05 PM

Ttigg, Mark..., and JF:

Thanks for the replies. It's nice to know what other piano studies are keeping my A3 friends busy. JF, that's really great you use such variety of sources for your piano studies (something I will soon try to do). Mark, I really liked that piece by Burgmiller; are the player's wrists injured or do those braces somehow improve his playing? Ttigg: my teacher started me on some Hanon recently; I may actually order the book from Amazon. Which are you using?
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/29/09 03:07 PM

The Grand Piano Band:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCazF1aIWw4

As a disclaimer: I have never actually heard this pieces played, with the exception of my playing and interpretation obviously. So, it may or may not be as others have played it etc. PLEASE let me know if you think it's all right. Thanks,
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/29/09 03:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
Ttigg, Mark..., and JF:

Thanks for the replies. Mark, I really liked that piece by Burgmiller; are the player's wrists injured or do those braces somehow improve his playing?


He's says on his u tube site that he has some tendon problems, but doesn't say it's from playing. The way he plays it seems that the wrists are not bothering him...
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/31/09 06:35 PM

Waltz – I think you did a great job with “The Grand Piano Band”. Is it different than the way I played it? Sure, but just in the emphasis placed on some of the tempo and/or dynamic changes. Which I think is a great thing! The one concern I had about some of your earlier recordings was that you had the notes down pat, but seemed to play some of the pieces straight through without a whole lot of feeling. Now, based on a number of your recent recordings, I see that your working on brining that aspect of play into much greater focus and I applaud your efforts.

Once again I write as though I knew what I was talking about, yet don’t wish to leave anyone with that impression. I just know what sounds good to my ear (and this is literally true as I am stone deaf in the other). I’m simply amazed at how quickly you’ve been able move through the selections in Alfred’s and equally amazed at how, whenever I think there may be an area in your advancement that could use a little more attention, you’re right on top of it without my anyone ever having stated such.

Keep up the good work.

Undone
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/31/09 06:36 PM

Hey gang,

Here’s my take on Clemente’s Prelude in D Minor.

http://www.box.net/shared/9jcp9dojrk

I’m now onto “The Star-Spangled Banner” (a different sort of challenge) and Bach’s “Prelude in C Major” (because I had so much fun with “Prelude in Dm” that I couldn’t give up the theme).

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/31/09 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Undone
Waltz – I think you did a great job with “The Grand Piano Band”. Is it different than the way I played it? Sure, but just in the emphasis placed on some of the tempo and/or dynamic changes. Which I think is a great thing! The one concern I had about some of your earlier recordings was that you had the notes down pat, but seemed to play some of the pieces straight through without a whole lot of feeling. Now, based on a number of your recent recordings, I see that your working on brining that aspect of play into much greater focus and I applaud your efforts.

Once again I write as though I knew what I was talking about, yet don’t wish to leave anyone with that impression. I just know what sounds good to my ear (and this is literally true as I am stone deaf in the other). I’m simply amazed at how quickly you’ve been able move through the selections in Alfred’s and equally amazed at how, whenever I think there may be an area in your advancement that could use a little more attention, you’re right on top of it without my anyone ever having stated such.

Keep up the good work.

Undone


Thank you Undone. Your opinion and thoughts certainly mean a lot to me, being both encouraging and helpful to my playing and learning. I know you are not a piano instructor, but what you have to say is very valuable to me regardless. I am now working on Very Special Day. I held off on listening to your recording earlier, to keep the sound of the piece a surprise, but I will now give it a listen. I think it's a very pretty song, even if it is by Palmer laugh
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 08/31/09 08:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Undone
In honor of our newest Book 3 cohort Nancy and our soon to be newest cohort Waltz, I humbly submit my “its time to move on already” recording of A Very Special Day:

http://www.box.net/shared/ku9epotq7f


Undone

My goodness that was played with feeling! There was certainly the feeling of climax along with intervals of calm. The RH/LH balance was also done beautifully. I have some work to do! Great job (even if I'm late to say it).
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/01/09 01:56 PM

My teacher had me learn Ecossaise in G by Beethoven this past week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFHolusnEPY

For some reason, this edition did not have repeats.

I am too embarrassed to post this in the piano bar, so I thought I'd post it here laugh
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/01/09 02:53 PM

Very nicely done Waltz thumb

So does that mean you skipped the "Ragtime" one?

SC
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/01/09 07:17 PM

Waltz and Undone - nice job on your pieces - it was a pleasure listening!

Regards, JF

P.S. no skipping "A Classy Rag" - it's a milestone and litmus test wink
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/01/09 08:25 PM

Thank you Ttigg and JF !!

I had my piano lesson today. I played the piece for my teacher and she stopped me before I had finished the first bar. "Do you know what mistake you made?" I mumble something incoherent, not knowing, and she pointed out that I played F natural instead of F#. I think it sounds all right either way, but the piece certainly is in G Major and I am ashamed of myself for making such an oversight. On second thought, I think I will rerecord the corrected version and post it here; hopefully tomorrow

But don't worry you guys, I have not skipped the Classy Rag. I am still hard at work on Special Day.

However, my teacher assigned me two somewhat difficult classical pieces for me to work on this week. One is a Bach Musette and the other is Clementi's Sonatina Op.36 No.1 first movement.



Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/02/09 06:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
My teacher had me learn Ecossaise in G by Beethoven this past week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFHolusnEPY

For some reason, this edition did not have repeats.

I am too embarrassed to post this in the piano bar, so I thought I'd post it here laugh

Here is the corrected rerecording:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2aT8OZxY6U

I would have just edited the above post but pianoworld doesn't allow you to do that for some reason. I also felt it was a bad idea to leave an incorrect playing of it for others to view...
Posted by: jotur

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/02/09 11:00 PM

Undone - John Frank sent folks over here from the September piano bar to your version of A Classy Rag. I love it! You have a great ragtime feel!

Cathy
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/03/09 07:30 AM

Thanks jotur, and thanks all for your comments on my recent recordings.

Undone
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/03/09 07:34 AM

Waltz - nice job on Beethoven's Ecossaise in G! I could really go for a couple of shorter selections myself right about now (not that there aren't plenty of challenges in shorter pieces - it's just that fortitude isn't usually one of them) smile

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/03/09 01:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Undone
Waltz - nice job on Beethoven's Ecossaise in G! I could really go for a couple of shorter selections myself right about now (not that there aren't plenty of challenges in shorter pieces - it's just that fortitude isn't usually one of them) smile

Undone

Thanks Undone smile . Are you working on the Bach Prelude?

My teacher told me that there was a Bach Prelude she wanted me to learn by Christmas. Ironically it was actually the same one in the Challenge Section of A3. Just glancing at the score it didn't look too over the top in difficulty. Of course looks can deceive. What do you think? How is it going?
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/04/09 07:32 AM

Waltz - Yes, the Bach Prelude I'm working on is the one in the "Challenge Section" of A3. At the bottom of Clemente’s Prelude it suggests trying the Bach prelude after finishing Clemente's (they both follow the same pattern).

I'd say that this one is similar in difficulty to Canon in D - easy to get started with tuff to complete with all of the feeling it deserves.

Undone
Posted by: Mark...

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/04/09 03:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Undone
Waltz - Yes, the Bach Prelude I'm working on is the one in the "Challenge Section" of A3. At the bottom of Clemente’s Prelude it suggests trying the Bach prelude after finishing Clemente's (they both follow the same pattern).

I'd say that this one is similar in difficulty to Canon in D - easy to get started with tuff to complete with all of the feeling it deserves.

Undone


Its a great piece that gets better and better the more you play it.

and Prelude in D minor which preps you for the Bach piece is my favorite piece from A3...

enjoy!
Posted by: piano4

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/05/09 06:22 PM

Hi all,
Thanks for the advice and well wishes, JF! I have taken a break due to preparing for students on Tuesday and I sat back at the piano and felt comfortable with the piece! I am doing some other sight reading while I have the opportunity. My instructor had knee surgery so I'm "on my own" for a few weeks.

Take care!

Karen
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/06/09 03:06 PM

I will post this in the A3 and A2 threads... I need some advice/wisdom on how to execute this RH + LH "hand jump" that occurs over and over in Musette in D:

http://www.music-scores.com/graphics/ba_anma_22.gif

There is the sheet music. Basically it's this:

The LH jumps up the keyboard at the same time the RH jumps down. This isn't so hard, the hands are converging.

Next the RH and LH must return to where they were, which means they jump in opposite directions at the same time. This is done with absolutely no break or anything, it must be done instantly to keep the rhythm. But no matter how much I practice I have very low accuracy and around one half of the time I will miss either the LH or the RH's note. The only other thing I can do is break the rhythm and move my hands slowly, but more accurately, to the correct notes.

It's frustrating because I can basically play the entire piece, but no matter how much I practice this "contrary + simultaneous" hand jumping, I just remain horribly inaccurate.

Any advice is appreciated.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/07/09 04:01 PM

NM
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/08/09 07:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
I will post this in the A3 and A2 threads... I need some advice/wisdom on how to execute this RH + LH "hand jump" that occurs over and over in Musette in D:

http://www.music-scores.com/graphics/ba_anma_22.gif

There is the sheet music. Basically it's this:

The LH jumps up the keyboard at the same time the RH jumps down. This isn't so hard, the hands are converging.

Next the RH and LH must return to where they were, which means they jump in opposite directions at the same time. This is done with absolutely no break or anything, it must be done instantly to keep the rhythm. But no matter how much I practice I have very low accuracy and around one half of the time I will miss either the LH or the RH's note. The only other thing I can do is break the rhythm and move my hands slowly, but more accurately, to the correct notes.

It's frustrating because I can basically play the entire piece, but no matter how much I practice this "contrary + simultaneous" hand jumping, I just remain horribly inaccurate.

Any advice is appreciated.


Waltz – I wish I could tell you of some “trick” to help with this situation, but I can’t (I sure would like to know if someone else has something). I had the same sort of trouble when working on the jumps in “A Bag of Rags” and the only way I got them under some semblance of control was with a whole lot of slow practice (many months in this case).

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/08/09 01:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Undone
Originally Posted By: Waltz
I will post this in the A3 and A2 threads... I need some advice/wisdom on how to execute this RH + LH "hand jump" that occurs over and over in Musette in D:

http://www.music-scores.com/graphics/ba_anma_22.gif

There is the sheet music. Basically it's this:

The LH jumps up the keyboard at the same time the RH jumps down. This isn't so hard, the hands are converging.

Next the RH and LH must return to where they were, which means they jump in opposite directions at the same time. This is done with absolutely no break or anything, it must be done instantly to keep the rhythm. But no matter how much I practice I have very low accuracy and around one half of the time I will miss either the LH or the RH's note. The only other thing I can do is break the rhythm and move my hands slowly, but more accurately, to the correct notes.

It's frustrating because I can basically play the entire piece, but no matter how much I practice this "contrary + simultaneous" hand jumping, I just remain horribly inaccurate.

Any advice is appreciated.


Waltz – I wish I could tell you of some “trick” to help with this situation, but I can’t (I sure would like to know if someone else has something). I had the same sort of trouble when working on the jumps in “A Bag of Rags” and the only way I got them under some semblance of control was with a whole lot of slow practice (many months in this case).

Undone

I think you're right. It just takes both repetition and concentration. I'm making some slow improvement. Thanks for your response Undone smile
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/08/09 01:11 PM

Here is A Very Special Day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjkJWMT2sW8
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/08/09 03:02 PM

Very nice Waltz! I'm going to have to bust out the Camera and brush up on mine to get a recording (or several) up!
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/08/09 04:25 PM

Originally Posted By: TTigg
Very nice Waltz! I'm going to have to bust out the Camera and brush up on mine to get a recording (or several) up!

Thanks TTigg smile !

This is the one Palmer piece I really liked. I think this is a piece that can definitely have multiple interpretations.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/09/09 07:39 AM

Good job on "A Very Specail Day" Waltz. I agree; this was one of the better Plamer pieces.

Undone
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/09/09 12:37 PM

Very well done Waltz - you're really moving along at a good clip thru Book 3 - it looks as if your work outside 3 is helping you here too.

Regards, JF
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/09/09 01:08 PM

To all Book 3ers - here's a summarized version of a rather extensive discussion that took place in this thread ealier this year about the possibilities of where a diligent student might go next after finishing Book 3, especially if that student were leaning in the direction of concentrating wholly or partly in the Classical music genre. These suggestions were supplied by an editor/piano teacher at Alfred in response to an email from me.

The Essential Keyboard Repertoire Series (Vol. 1 currently being used by me):

Essential Keyboard Repertoire


The Spirit Series:

The Baroque Spirit

The Classical Spirit

The Romantic Spirit

Beyond the Romantic Spirit


The Masterwork Classics Series:

Masterworks Classics


The Neil A. Kjos Piano Repertoire Series, as edited by Keith Snell and Recommended by DragonPianoPlayer (Rich)

Keith Snell Series

Hope you find this info helpful and useful in your future piano studies.

Regards, JF
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/09/09 02:40 PM

Thank you Undone and JF! I am very appreciative that you guys take the time to watch and comment on my playing.
It means and helps a lot.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/09/09 10:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Undone
I had a little extra time this evening, so I went ahead and transferred my recording of “A Classy Rag” to BoxNet. This take contains a few fat fingered mistakes and, as always, is far from perfect, but after having worked on this selection for several weeks, this is the point at which I decided it was time to move on. Hope you enjoy it:

http://www.box.net/shared/n9tdpl06gn

Undone


That was beautifully played. Wow.

I have lot's of work to do, especially with increasing the tempo. Nice job smile
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/10/09 01:04 AM

Originally Posted By: Waltz

I have lot's of work to do, especially with increasing the tempo. Nice job smile

You and me both mate! nicely done un-done thumb
- SC
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/10/09 07:27 AM

Thanks for reposting that JF. I was reading this thread back when that was originally discussed and had meant to “keep a mental note” of its existence for later reference. My “mental notes” aren’t what they used to be, so having it summarized and reposted is very helpful.

Undone
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/10/09 07:28 AM

Thanks Waltz and TTigg, I enjoyed working on that piece. Speaking of tempo, I just recently finished with “The Star-Spangled Banner” and had a good lesson in the importance of practicing things slowly. This selection took some time for me get anywhere near being able to play through without egregious errors. All the while I was playing at a very slow and stately tempo (as this piece is sometimes played). When I finally got through it and had a semi-decent recording I decided it would sound better at a quicker tempo. I had never tried to speed it up before, and was very pleased and surprised at how easily I was able to do so after having “mastered” the piece at a slower tempo. In the past I would often start to build to the desired speed as the piece was progressing. This experience would seem to indicate that doing so is counter productive.

Undone
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/10/09 09:08 AM

Thanks for the "tip". I'm supposed to be working on that this week (along with the second Prelude but I've let my other side projects get the better of me this week (irk) smile

SC
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/10/09 02:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Undone
Thanks Waltz and TTigg, I enjoyed working on that piece. Speaking of tempo, I just recently finished with “The Star-Spangled Banner” and had a good lesson in the importance of practicing things slowly. This selection took some time for me get anywhere near being able to play through without egregious errors. All the while I was playing at a very slow and stately tempo (as this piece is sometimes played). When I finally got through it and had a semi-decent recording I decided it would sound better at a quicker tempo. I had never tried to speed it up before, and was very pleased and surprised at how easily I was able to do so after having “mastered” the piece at a slower tempo. In the past I would often start to build to the desired speed as the piece was progressing. This experience would seem to indicate that doing so is counter productive.

Undone


Thanks for the advice smile . I actually am putting it to use in learning A Classy Rag. My tempo is probably around 1/2 of yours, and I really don't think I could, as of yet, practice it much faster. It's a tricky piece, and learning it at a slower pace well, and then increasing speed is probably the way to go.

I would like to listen to JF's version, but I can't seem to find it...
Posted by: IrishMak

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/11/09 10:23 AM

I've been away from this thread for a while. I've been reading and listening, just not posting! Sorry.

You all are doing great! Making progress and the recordings are all lovely.

Me? We've cleared Fur Elise from lesson time, tho I still work on it. I'm the odd one- I actually enjoy playing it! And Toccata is just about finished as well. The last page is not quite as speedy as it should be, but at this point, I think it's beating a dead horse, so that may be set aside for a bit. The Chopin Prelude is starting to come together, and I've begun looking at the first page of the Moonlight.

All that said, I have some busy weeks coming up between now and mid-October (chili season is winding down and I STILL haven't qualified for Worlds in 2 of the three categories! Better get cooking, literally!!), so progress to the end of book 3 may stall a bit.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/12/09 03:09 PM

OT:

I have been desperately trying to find the sheet music to a piece of music. It is from the film "Silent Hill" and it is called "Alessa's Harmony". It's a short and haunting little piece:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2ddzvD5ntg

I just can't find the sheet music; it's like it doesn't exist. Also, how difficult would you put this piece? Something comparable to an A3 piece or harder?
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/14/09 07:20 AM

Good to hear from you again Mak. I’ve been resisting the urge to look ahead at what’s to come in Book 3 (I have enough to deal with in the present), but from your post I see that there are a lot of great works in the later sections of this book.

Good luck with what’s left of this year’s chili season, and knock ‘em dead in Charleston!

Undone
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/14/09 07:49 AM

Originally Posted By: Waltz
OT:

I have been desperately trying to find the sheet music to a piece of music. It is from the film "Silent Hill" and it is called "Alessa's Harmony". It's a short and haunting little piece:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2ddzvD5ntg

I just can't find the sheet music; it's like it doesn't exist. Also, how difficult would you put this piece? Something comparable to an A3 piece or harder?


Waltz – After a brief search I’d say that you are not alone in looking for sheet music from Silent Hill. You may have better luck finding a MIDI file and then using a “MIDI to Sheet Music” converter (there are some free ones out there).

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/14/09 01:10 PM

Thanks Undone smile

I have not heard of a MIDI to sheet music converter, but it sounds very promising (and neat).

I actually found what the "deal was" for this piece. The movie "Silent Hill" soundtrack lists it as Alessa's Harmony

However, it was originally featured on the game (albeit slightly modified) and was called the Promise / Reprise. I was able to find the sheet music for it (although it's kind of sloppy.)
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/14/09 01:12 PM

Here is Musette in D, by Bach:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru5c_9aPeOo

This is the one where the "jumps" gave me trouble. I still don't do them very quickly, but I think it's acceptable.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/15/09 07:15 AM

Great job Waltz! I’m lousy with names, both of people and classical music, but I recognized this piece as soon as you started playing it in the recording. Sometimes you will hear this piece being played very fast. I guess that to do so you have to have those jumps down in “muscle memory”.

Undone
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/15/09 12:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Undone
Great job Waltz! I’m lousy with names, both of people and classical music, but I recognized this piece as soon as you started playing it in the recording. Sometimes you will hear this piece being played very fast. I guess that to do so you have to have those jumps down in “muscle memory”.

Undone


Thank Undone ! smile

You're right, the indicated tempo is Allegro. But I cannot do that yet (at least with any reasonable accuracy).
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/18/09 07:17 AM

Where’s Undone?

He’s gone on vacation, but will be back in about a week.

Undone.
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/20/09 03:37 PM

A Classy Rag:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTzEgYFk8PQ

This one took me a while. Let me know what you think!

Waltz
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/22/09 08:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Undone
Thanks for reposting that JF. I was reading this thread back when that was originally discussed and had meant to “keep a mental note” of its existence for later reference. My “mental notes” aren’t what they used to be, so having it summarized and reposted is very helpful.

Undone


Undone - You're welcome - I thought it might be helpful & useful.

Sorry it took me so long to respond - my wife and I were on vacation for most of the last two weeks in big, beautiful Maine, slowly driving along the coast from one harbor town to another, and ending in the resort of Bar Harbor on Mt. Desert Island (along with Acadia National Park) - an amazingly gorgeous trip!

Didn't touch a piano once on the trip and strangely didn't miss it - I used to worry about being away from it, but I've learned during previous vacations that you don't lose much at all in terms of skill and technique (such as they are) and that after a day or two of "getting the rust off" you are pretty much back to where you were.

Waltz - real good job on "Classy" & thanks for you kind comments on my version in the September Piano Bar.

JF

Edited to add that I'll be picking up where I left off - in the middle of "Blue Rondo", a somewhat interesting piece...
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/22/09 05:58 PM

Thanks JF!!!

Sounds like you had a nice vacation, glad to hear it smile
Posted by: OldFingers

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/22/09 09:24 PM

JF, I was in Maine for about three weeks as well, didn't practice, but suffered greatly for it when I got back. After about a week back, I'm finally getting into it again. My mental and muscle memories are just not what they used to be. But the funny thing is, today my teacher and I started working some stride piano into the ballads I'm playing and I found that the stride piano I had learned as a teenager was still in the system. The mind is amazing.

JF, I'm glad you enjoyed your trip to Maine. It is a beautiful place and the people are so real and so friendly. It's nice to have you back.

Bob
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/23/09 08:16 AM

Originally Posted By: OldFingers

JF, I'm glad you enjoyed your trip to Maine. It is a beautiful place and the people are so real and so friendly. It's nice to have you back.

Bob


Bob - good to hear from you again, and hopefully we'll have the pleasure of your company more often in the future!

Just to go a little bit more OT, Maine is a beautiful place and the people are great - we started our driving trip at Kittery at the southern end and ended it at Bar Harbor a couple of hundred miles to the north, but actually went about 3 times as far because we drove down all the peninsulas that jut out into the ocean along the coast, visting Ogunquit, Kennebunkport, Cape Elizabeth, Portland, Freeport, Brunswick, Bath, Boothbay Harbor, Pemaquid Point, Port Clyde, Stonington, Rockland, Camden, Belfast, Searsport, Castine and Ellsworth (among others) - it's awesome country! But there's much more to it - the regions to the east, north and the mountain/lake region to the west (which we'll see on our next trip up that way from PA).

JF
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/24/09 06:06 PM

Anyone got a recording of Star Spangled Banner? Not growing up in the US means this one is for sure kicking my ass laugh

Thanks
SC
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/24/09 11:17 PM

Originally Posted By: TTigg
Anyone got a recording of Star Spangled Banner? Not growing up in the US means this one is for sure kicking my ass laugh

Thanks
SC

Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?

Oh Lord! Is that really a piece we have to learn in A3? I tried a google search but I couldn't find an Alfred's version of it. Here is a random piano version on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET2lFcDy1f4

Don't know if that's helpful though.
I did not know you weren't born in America. Where were you born?
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/24/09 11:37 PM

Thanks Waltz,

That helps a little. I was born & raised in Oxford England. I moved here in 2000 with my wife (who's American) after our wedding in an old coach house..

I had a good lesson, I've got the basics of it down now, just need to polish it up so I'll be on it for another week. Then it'll be back to the Prelude in C smile

How's it going with you?

SC
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/25/09 02:44 PM

I'm all right I guess. My teacher has me doing a lot of pieces and other things, so I'm kind of diluted. For example, I haven't exactly finished with the first movement of Clementi's Sonatina 36/1 and she already has me working on the second movement. In Alfred's, ironically, I'm working on Clementi's Prelude in D (which is pretty). I am also doing a Bach Minuet, and this really simplistic, but kind of annoying, Haydn piece. I'm having fun though, so things are fine. I had no idea you were from England! I had once considered doing my post graduate medical training there, but the process is very convoluted and involved. I still have an interest in moving there for some period of time, some day (perhaps never, but I can always hope). California is very, very far from England, I'm sure that's been tough, being so far away. Yet, I have always felt it to be brave and admirable to take on changes with a sense of adventure and possibility.
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/25/09 03:25 PM

Glad to see you're keeping busy. I also wonder what's happened to PianoAlex, we've overtaken him now (videos that is). Yeah moving here was great and it's fun but I do sometimes (often) very much miss part of England.

I could think of nothing better to do (for example) on Sunday then spend some time with family & friends at the local carvery eating a big Sunday type lunch. then just chill on the lawn (grass) of the establishment until it was time to head back to the village smile

SC
Posted by: Ragtime Clown

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/27/09 07:59 AM


I have been really impressed with some of the pieces here from Book Three. I really underestimated the Alfred Books after buying Book 1. However, since its my birthday on Wednesday I asked my wonderful wife to buy me Books Two and Three. Can't wait to get into 'A Classy Rag' and 'Shenandoah'.
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/27/09 11:28 AM

There is a lot of good stuff in the back part of #2 and some great stuff in #3. #1 was more of just an introduction, basics and some good ground level theory etc.. Glad you're enjoying them mate thumb
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/27/09 02:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Ragtime Clown

I have been really impressed with some of the pieces here from Book Three. I really underestimated the Alfred Books after buying Book 1. However, since its my birthday on Wednesday I asked my wonderful wife to buy me Books Two and Three. Can't wait to get into 'A Classy Rag' and 'Shenandoah'.


Welcome. I think the first few pieces aren't so great, but they're kind of easy as well. Fandango is nice. But, starting with Haydn's Serenade, things are really taken up a notch in both piece qaulity and challenge. Be sure to post your thoughts and progress here, as well as recordings if you wish smile
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/29/09 06:55 AM

I’m back. It sounds like “up north” has been the vacation spot of choice. I wasn’t in Maine, but Vermont is close enough.

Waltz – Great job on “A Classy Rag”!

Undone
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/29/09 07:26 AM

Undone - welcome back! How did you like Vermont? My wife & I toured there a couple of years ago and really liked it a lot.

What are you currently working on?

I just finished "Blue Rondo" (a somewhat interesting piece) and just started "Shenandoah" (the beautiful, old folk tune).

I've just decided that I'm not going to work my way thru Book 3 piece by piece (as I did with 1 & 2) - instead I'm only going to do the more interesting & challenging pieces (including several in the "Ambitious Section") - this is primarily because I'm working in several other sources and the pieces in these are for the most part more musically demanding and satisfying - this was my ultimate goal anyway, but I'll just be moving there sooner than planned - the "extra" stuff I'm working on includes Classical, New Age and standards from the Great American Songbook, and it's incresingly pulling me in that direction (not to mention requiring more practice time).

But I'll still be here for some time to come - so fear not (unless that's what you were afraid of laugh ).

JF
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/29/09 01:06 PM

Thanks Undone smile . Glad you had a nice vacation. I bet Vermont is beautiful this time of year.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/30/09 08:56 AM

Vermont was exactly what we were looking for in the way of a vacation spot just now: peaceful, quite, and serene. The foliage was changing but about a week or two away from peak.

Now that I’m back, I’m close to finishing up with Bach’s Prelude in C Major (still need to make copies of the music so I can avoid the page turn), and “Swan Lake”. Two great pieces.

JF - It seems a lot of people are slowly (or not so slowly) drawn to other sources once they hit book three, and it’s certainly true that “there’s just so much practice time in the day”. I wish you well on your move to “all Nevue all the time”. smile

Undone
Posted by: TrapperJohn

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/30/09 06:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Undone

JF - It seems a lot of people are slowly (or not so slowly) drawn to other sources once they hit book three, and it’s certainly true that “there’s just so much practice time in the day”. I wish you well on your move to “all Nevue all the time”. smile

Undone


grin My next Nevue piece will be my first Nevue piece! I actually enjoy far too many types of music (and composers) to ever be bogged-down with any "all fill-in-the-blank all the time" schedule of pieces (Nevue or otherwise) smile

Glad to hear you like "Swan Lake" too - one of my favorites in Book 3 so far. I looked ahead in 3 and tentatively could see maybe 6 or 7 more pieces in the regular section I might want to work on yet - and maybe 2 or 3 in the Ambitious Section.

JF
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/30/09 06:17 PM

I finally gave myself the pass on Prelude in D Minor today. I liked the piece very much, being classical and somewhat dark, but I also had certain frustrations with it:

You are doing very similar motions with both the LH and the RH throughout the entire piece but playing different chords with slightly different intervals. This makes it very difficult to have proper "muscle memory", at least for me. The score is difficult in giving the player "quick reminders", because it looks nearly the same throughout (albeit with different chords etc.). Well, then, our old pal sight reading may have use! But, the piece circumvents that by having the RH playing many of the chords deep in the lower ledger lines, with which I am unfamiliar.

I feel the piece wasn't that difficult but for these reasons it took quit a while for me to really "pass" it and it added quite a bit of frustration.
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/30/09 07:55 PM

Great job, now where's the vid? smile
SC
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 09/30/09 08:11 PM

Originally Posted By: TTigg
Great job, now where's the vid? smile
SC

Yea, about that ... smile
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 10/01/09 10:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Undone

Now that I’m back, I’m close to finishing up with Bach’s Prelude in C Major (still need to make copies of the music so I can avoid the page turn), and “Swan Lake”. Two great pieces.

Undone

Undone, congrats on finishing Bach's Prelude! That piece, according to
the ABF graded pieces list, and some sources online is rated as a very, very challenging piece to play. Unless I am horribly mistaken, these sources are indicating it to be nearly as difficult as some of Chopin's etudes. Unless I am misreading this? The piece does look challening, but I'm sort of suprised it is listed among the most difficult, so I am thinking I am not understanding something with the listing/ratings. This may seem tedious, but I am curious.
Posted by: Undone

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 10/02/09 07:39 AM

Waltz, thanks for the congrats, but me thinks you may be looking at something else. This is Bach’s Prelude in C from “The Well-Tempered Clavier” (BWV 846) and is only listed as a “Grade 2” piece in the “Graded Pieces” list that I have. I’d say it’s a little more difficult then “Prelude in D Minor”. Still, it’s a wonderful piece and I enjoy playing it.

Undone
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 10/02/09 09:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Undone
Waltz, thanks for the congrats, but me thinks you may be looking at something else. This is Bach’s Prelude in C from “The Well-Tempered Clavier” (BWV 846) and is only listed as a “Grade 2” piece in the “Graded Pieces” list that I have. I’d say it’s a little more difficult then “Prelude in D Minor”. Still, it’s a wonderful piece and I enjoy playing it.

Undone


Good to hear from you buddy thumb It seems that many of us "#3'rs" are spinning off in different directions, I think its great! I've finished up Star Spangled Banner (love the oh say does our flag part) and am now moving onto Prelude in C Major shocked

I will eventually (soon'sh) get cracking on my Great Great Grandfathers stuff. Been very busy with the "side project" which is going to launch next weekend! After that hopefully things will settle down a little and I can focus on some good practice and "brush up" of my repertoire.

I can see that this one's going to a 2wk'r for sure, maybe 3. Although the patterns are very repetitive so that may help me (memory wise)

thumb
SC
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 10/02/09 02:22 PM

Undone,

Got it now! I was looking at some other Bach Prelude in C, not the WTC suffix one. Hmm, I think it should be listed as more difficult than a 2! Maybe a 3. It looks much more difficult than the Bach pieces from Anna's Notebook...

TTigg,

Glad to hear an update from you. I am not motivated to learn the Star Spangled Banner, it sort of reminds me of Pomp and Circumstance from Book 2. I hope the Prelude works out for you, I'm sure it will. The "side project" sounds mysterious... Will it be on youtube laugh ?
Posted by: TTigg

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 10/02/09 08:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Waltz

TTigg,

Glad to hear an update from you. I am not motivated to learn the Star Spangled Banner, it sort of reminds me of Pomp and Circumstance from Book 2. I hope the Prelude works out for you, I'm sure it will. The "side project" sounds mysterious... Will it be on youtube laugh ?

Nope but I will have a website up very soon smile Baby steps since there is so much work to do (inventory wise) thumb
- SC
Posted by: Waltz

Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Cour - 10/02/09 08:55 PM

Originally Posted By: TTigg
Originally Posted By: Waltz

TTigg,

Glad to hear an update from you. I am not motivated to learn the Star Spangled Banner, it sort of reminds me of Pomp and Circumstance from Book 2. I hope the Prelude works out for you, I'm sure it will. The "side project" sounds mysterious... Will it be on youtube