New Casio Privia PX-3

Posted by: Dusky

New Casio Privia PX-3 - 03/21/10 11:44 AM

Information about Privia PX-3BK just appeared on the Casio Europe website:
* Stage piano without speakers
* Editable DSP effects
* 4-band equalizer
* "Ivory touch" keyboard
* Assignable buttons (portamento, rotary switch)
* Master keyboard functionality
* Editable parameters (mixer, tone/synth)

http://www.casio-europe.com/euro/emi/privia/px3bk/
http://www.casio-europe.com/fr/news/article/1555/
Posted by: voxpops

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 03/21/10 02:04 PM

Very interesting! If they've managed to improve on the EPs and organs, it might be something worth considering as a stage instrument.
Posted by: cosmicblue

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 03/21/10 02:20 PM

I wonder if it will be available in the US.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 03/21/10 02:20 PM

Interesting, looks like Casio is making these special edition models with more arranger functions. I saw portamento mentioned in the specs, but did not see anything about an arpegiator like most serious synths have. Looks like this is positioned to be a hybrid between a DP and synth. The sound editing functions sound intriguing.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 03/21/10 02:59 PM

They used to have similar sound editing functions in their WK3000 series instruments - a bit of a clunky menu-driven interface but there, nonetheless. I do like the inclusion of portamento - providing the synth sounds are actually good enough to use. Another throwback to some of the WKs is the use of a button (assignable) for modulation, rather than a wheel. Buttons are certainly better than nothing.

The most interesting thing for me will be whether the sounds have been sufficiently "tweaked" from the PX-330, to allow them to rival Yamaha and Roland stage pianos. The current offerings (beyond the acoustic piano) are sub-par IMO. I also hope they've addressed the slight but noticeable shortcomings in the acoustic sample and implementation - which are apparent in all variations, since they seem to use only the one set of samples, re-eq'd for their Classic AP etc.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 03/21/10 08:27 PM

Dusky, thank you for posting this information.

The new PX-3BK looks very interesting. It will undoubtedly appeal to those searching for a lightweight, speaker-less gigging board, and perhaps the home studio VSTi crowd too.

In addition to this model, it would appear that Casio is also launching two more '30th Annivesary' products:

- Celviano AP-6BP: Polished ebony version of the AP-620
- Privia PX-7WE: Matte white version of the PX-730, with 'Ivory Touch' key surfaces

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: sullivang

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 03/22/10 04:48 AM

Good stuff.

It would also be good if Casio could go further, and make a fully fledged master controller, like the M-Audio KeyStation Pro 88 (although that product is now discontinued). Judging by reviews of the M-Audio, I think the Casio action is almost certainly a lot better than it was.

Greg.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 03/22/10 05:39 AM

Agreed, I expect an action-only USB-powered MIDI controller will be the next step.

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 03/26/10 09:37 AM

Originally Posted By: cosmicblue
I wonder if it will be available in the US.


It will be available in the US in late June early July.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 03/26/10 09:39 AM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
Very interesting! If they've managed to improve on the EPs and organs, it might be something worth considering as a stage instrument.



We are working on new demos of the EP and organ sounds which we hope to have posted on www.priviapiano.com in a few weeks. They are still making a few changes to the software (and I have a vacation planned) but I'll let you know here when the audio demos are posted.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 03/26/10 10:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Originally Posted By: voxpops
Very interesting! If they've managed to improve on the EPs and organs, it might be something worth considering as a stage instrument.



We are working on new demos of the EP and organ sounds which we hope to have posted on www.priviapiano.com in a few weeks. They are still making a few changes to the software (and I have a vacation planned) but I'll let you know here when the audio demos are posted.

Thanks for keeping us in the picture, Mike. I, for one, will be very interested to hear how the PX-3 stacks up. Having owned the 310, 320 and 330, I've long admired Casio's attempts to provide a less expensive and lighter alternative to the standard offerings; it's just that, up to now, these pianos have remained practice instruments for me. I'd love it if I could take the PX-3 on stage and know that I was going to get really top-notch sounds.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 03/27/10 01:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Originally Posted By: voxpops
Very interesting! If they've managed to improve on the EPs and organs, it might be something worth considering as a stage instrument.



We are working on new demos of the EP and organ sounds which we hope to have posted on www.priviapiano.com in a few weeks. They are still making a few changes to the software (and I have a vacation planned) but I'll let you know here when the audio demos are posted.


Mike,
Are you able to comment on whether the sound module on the PX3 has gotton a revision or is it basically the module in the PX-330 with some reworked or added patches? Thanks for any insight. The PX3 looks to have some intriguing things on it.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 03/27/10 01:44 AM

Originally Posted By: galaxy4t
Mike,
Are you able to comment on whether the sound module on the PX3 has gotton a revision or is it basically the module in the PX-330 with some reworked or added patches? Thanks for any insight. The PX3 looks to have some intriguing things on it.

I'd love to know the answer to that, too.

Having achieved a good quality action in a lightweight shell, it would seem a natural progression to produce a version with better sounds and processing. There must be many people like me who would really appreciate the quality of a RD700GX or a CP5 in a 25lbs package.
Posted by: plobotta

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 03/27/10 03:32 AM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
[quote=galaxy4t]
Having achieved a good quality action in a lightweight shell, it would seem a natural progression to produce a version with better sounds and processing. There must be many people like me who would really appreciate the quality of a RD700GX or a CP5 in a 25lbs package.

Absoutely!
I was considering buying a px330 but were not convinced of the sound; if it's gotten better...well, that could be my choice!
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 04/21/10 09:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
They are still making a few changes to the software


Any chance they have fixed the "backwards" keyboard split that every Privia I have played suffers from? Specifically, on the PX-330 (and others), when you split the keyboard, any new patch you select alters the lower half of the split. In live performance, if you need to call up a new sound in the middle of a song, you generally want the left hand sound to remain constant while you change the right hand sound, so it's backwards. I wrote to Casio about it years ago, I did get a nice thank you note for my comment, but that's all so far!

Also, I hope they don't use the small dark gray-on-black button legends that they used on the PX-330... impossible to read, especially on stage.

Another feature I've hoped for... when you do a keyboard split, I'd like to be able to send the left side of the split out the left output, and the right side of the split out the right output. This is something else extremely useful for live performance, when you're playing sounds that might lend themselves to different outboard processing, or different amplification, or you want the sounds in separate channels at the mixing board. All of which can easily come into play if you use split for one of the most common live purposes, left hand bass.

I actually wish they'd leave the speakers in, but I know that the market says that that seems "non pro." Personally, I often find them convenient. And sometimes, for a small cocktail hour thing, it's all I need. I also happen to like the way the speakers make the piano "feel" more real, because you can feel the sympathetic vibrations as you play, simulating the effect you get from the real strings in a piano.

I'll be eager to hear the sound samples. I actually thought my old PX-500L had better Rhodes and honky tonk piano than the PX-330. The newer Rhodes patch definitely sounds more digital. I did like the sound of the acoustic pianos on the PX-330, but I found the playability was a little tricky. I'd be playing pretty evenly (or so I thought), and some notes would come out distinctly brighter than others, I must have been playing near the threshold of sample crossing... but it was a problem I never had on older models. Maybe there was some keyboard velocity curve scaling I could have tried adjusting? But the older Privias always played perfect for me out of the box. Maybe they didn't have as many samples under each key to begin with so it was less of an issue, I don't know. That's something else I'll be eager to try on the new one.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 04/22/10 12:14 AM

Anyone wanting more info on the PX-3 can go over to the Keyboard Corner on the Music Player Forums. It looks like it will retail for $799. http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/postlist/Board/18/page/1
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 04/22/10 04:18 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott

Any chance they have fixed the "backwards" keyboard split that every Privia I have played suffers from? Specifically, on the PX-330 (and others), when you split the keyboard, any new patch you select alters the lower half of the split. In live performance, if you need to call up a new sound in the middle of a song, you generally want the left hand sound to remain constant while you change the right hand sound, so it's backwards. I wrote to Casio about it years ago, I did get a nice thank you note for my comment, but that's all so far!


YES, this is addressed on the PX-3. You can easily change the sound in the right hand without changing the one in the left.

Quote:
Also, I hope they don't use the small dark gray-on-black button legends that they used on the PX-330... impossible to read, especially on stage.


Yes, big differences here. You'll easily see the difference in pictures. Even the jacks on the back of the instrument are clearly labeled on the TOP of the instrument so when you're reaching around to plug in the sustain pedal or audio outputs it's very clear where everything goes.

Quote:
Another feature I've hoped for... when you do a keyboard split, I'd like to be able to send the left side of the split out the left output, and the right side of the split out the right output. This is something else extremely useful for live performance, when you're playing sounds that might lend themselves to different outboard processing, or different amplification, or you want the sounds in separate channels at the mixing board. All of which can easily come into play if you use split for one of the most common live purposes, left hand bass.


Yes this is easily done on the PX-3. You can save this as a registration and during the gig you can change the sound in your right hand WITHOUT affecting the pan position for that tone.

Quote:

I'll be eager to hear the sound samples.


We're working on that now. I hope to have some up by next week.


-Mike Martin
Casio America, Inc.
Posted by: pkdd

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 04/22/10 04:52 PM

Maybe this was fixed in previous versions, but I've read of Privia keyboards wearing out rather quickly (less than a year) with vigorous practice. Is there still a durability problem with the keybed, or are there just a few cranky people making a lot of noise of the internet? Other than the key surface, has the key action been improved?
Posted by: spanishbuddha

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 04/22/10 06:16 PM

Originally Posted By: pkdd
Maybe this was fixed in previous versions, but I've read of Privia keyboards wearing out rather quickly (less than a year) with vigorous practice. Is there still a durability problem with the keybed, or are there just a few cranky people making a lot of noise of the internet? Other than the key surface, has the key action been improved?

I've got a PX330, and I like it. I've had it since last November. It is not heavily used and I've been looking for a home/lifestyle DP and played some better (double the price and more) Yamaha's and Roland's including the new HP305/7. In terms of price/value the Privia beats them.

But, my PX330, which is not heavily used, less than 2 hours per day, occasional monthly gig has developed a clacking on three of the keys. The keys are in general terms quite loose compared to the Yamaha's and Roland's that cost much more, and it is my opinion, that the sideways looseness is part of the clacking problem; it usually shows up doing scales or arpeggios. I can fix it by inserting a cardboard shim between the keys, but it's only really apparent at low volumes and doesn't affect playing at all. Maybe I'm just unlucky and the only one in the world? I still think the Casio is terrific value and will get it 'fixed' under warranty sometime in the future.

I'd be interested to know if the PX-3 uses the same mechanical keyboard action as the PX-330?
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 04/22/10 11:12 PM

Perhaps Mike Martin can chime in here, but as far as I know, the keybeds used on all Privias and Celvianos are the same. The PX-3 will likely be using the same keybed as the PX-330.

The complaint you raised about the lateral movement of some keys has been reported before along with boards with stuck keys. I think it is limited to a small percentage of product as the PX-330 is no doubt selling well, especially at the $699 price point. I played a 330 that had just been opened and set out at a Sam Ash last weekend and it sounded fantastic. Wonder if Casio has made some tweaks from the early production runs.
Posted by: hpeterh

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 04/23/10 02:28 AM

Originally Posted By: spanishbuddha

I'd be interested to know if the PX-3 uses the same mechanical keyboard action as the PX-330?


AFAIK the PX-3 has Ivory keys.

I tested the PX-130 (no Ivory keys) and the PX-830 (Ivory keys) side by side in a store.

The PX 830 keyboard seemed to be a little bit better, less wobbly.

I had the impression it was more precise.
If the keys where more firm in the horizontal (left right) direction then they where comparable to Yamaha keys.

I believe the keybed is the same, but it can be that the ivory keys are assembled with more care. Dont know it, of course.

Peter
Posted by: PianoRalf

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 04/27/10 05:30 AM

Hi,
I own PX-330. I am satisfied with the sound and this is my 3rd Privia after PX110 and PX220. I read about the new PX-3BK limited edition.
Maybe Mike can comment the questions I have send to Casios support in Februar. (But no satisfying answer yet)

Some things I miss on my Px330 and hope they are fixed on the PX-3

On the Px-3Bk I found that the PX-3BK which has switches for (Portamento,Rotary-Switch) Here on t pianowoldforum I read that it can be assigned as modulation, too.
Can you really confirm this?

Is there already a manual available?
Does the PX-3BK have aftertouch repose?

I know that the PX-3 only has this pitchbend-wheel and missing moulationwheel.
With software changes the pitchbend whell could be assigned as pitchbend from the lower to the mid position and above the middleposition. as modulation. I know these are different MIDI Data types, but it could be possible and would be great!

I have noticed an MIDI malfunction on my PX 330. Sometimes when I play more than 8 Tones with sustain pedal I have overlapping MIDI Output.
This is reproucaple when I strike a note and re-strike the same key shortly later.
Normaly I expect 90 50 60 -> 80 50 7F <- 90 50 23 80 50 7F (7F as note-off velocity)

Sometimes the Hex80 (NOTE OFF) Info which belongs to first note is BEHIND the "Note ON" (HEX90) of the second (same key).
PX330 produces 90 50 60 -> 90 50 23 <- 80 50 7F 80 50 7F (I don't remember the note off values at the moment)
On a real piano I can not strike a key twice without releasing it meanwhile.
Currently I am inbolbrf in a betatest for a new PC MIDI application (leading company operating worldwide) and this new product had a hanging note problem with these overlapping MIDI notes, which definitely came from the PX330. The developer implemented a fix for me, because I was not able to fix it in the PX330.
Maybe this problem has something to do with the 3 contacts keysensors, which will be already the same in PX-3

It is only reproducible when you play many notes, so I think this is an error in the MIDI transmitter routine.
Do you offer firmware update for the px330. I bought it in December 2009 (build in November)

Why does the PX330 send Sustain on/off Commands on all the 3 MIDI Channels which are assigned for the Main-Sound and the accompaniment (2 or 3 Channels I think)? I hope this is fixed on the PX-3.

When I play the PX-330 in LOCAL OFF and use the accompaniment (only drums) some Instruments will not be played, even if I connect MIDI OUT to MIDI IN of the PX-330.
Is this fixed in the PX-3?

Ralf
Posted by: sullivang

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 04/27/10 06:42 AM

I think it could be the three sensor action, although it should also behave the same for a single note.

Play one note only, and then release it partially, such that the note is not terminated, and then press down on the key again. If you do not hear a new note, lift off completely and start all over again. Once you have found the retrigger point, inspect the MIDI.
I think you will find that a new Note-On is transmitted without a Note-Off.

It's interesting that you are still getting two Note-Offs though.

On a grand piano, you can definitely repeat a note without the damper ever touching the strings. smile Research the "repetition lever". (here's an animation, with a "release half way" mode as well: http://www.piano.christophersmit.com/popUpMotion.html )

Btw, I've actually tested a PX-130 - it can definitely sound a new note without the first note being terminated. However, I have not inspected the resultant MIDI messages. (I have asked Casio about the MIDI behaviour, and whilst their response was very brief, it seemed to me that yes, a new Note-On would be sent for a partial repeat, without there first being a Note-Off)

Greg.
Posted by: ukwomble

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 04/27/10 04:22 PM

Mike - will the new AP-6BP also be avaliable in the USA?

If so can you give any indication on the timeframe?

Thanks.
Posted by: PianoRalf

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 05/02/10 03:27 AM

Hi,
I am not sure if this is an effect form the 3 contract sensor.
Now I give you the original values
90 37 26 B0 40 7F 90 37 62 80 37 3F B0 40 00 80 37 3F
Here you see, the Note On velocity 26 and 62. I don't think that I have played the second note louder than the first note after releasing the key half. Between the commands I find time values in Standard MIDI File format. The first is 86 62: so these are 2 Time Bytes 7F + 62. So at least 1/2 second.

Ralf
Posted by: sullivang

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 05/02/10 04:34 AM

Ralf,
The fact that the sustain pedal up(off) message occurs between the two Note-Offs does look a bit suspicious. I would expect that typically, the two note-offs would occur back to back.

Are you saying that the time difference between the two Note-Offs is half a second?

Have you been able to do the test I suggested yet, to at least see what MIDI is sent when you definitely do invoke the third sensor?

Greg.
Posted by: Dave Ferris

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 05/02/10 04:39 AM


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Posted by: PianoRalf

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 05/02/10 09:01 AM

Hi Greg,

the time was 1/2 second between the 2 Note On.

thank you for explaining and the link to the animation. Very interesting and usefull. Now I have plugged my MIDI monitor directly to the PX330 and got the point:
I moved the keys very slow after each other
90 3C 18 80 3C 40 here no point and directly behind is:
90 3C 11 90 30 07 here we see the overlapping Data
80 3C 40 80 3C 40. Noteoffs come with the same release velocity

It does not depend on the velocity but in fact on the amount the key is released. So I could produce: 90 2D 01 90 2D 22
Here the second velocity is higher.
The way is about 7 mm. The full way is 11 mm (full release)
So if you release the key 8 mm a Note off will be send. If you release it half way (below 6 mm) no NOTE off comes, but a new note on.
I guess some MIDI expanders could have problems with this situation. I my case the Sustain off cutted the first note but not the second, this produced a hanging note in this MIDI application I am testing as betatester. Now this is fixed there. But important to know that this is not a "buffer overflow" or something which has to do with the performance. So the PX-330 seems to work correct.

Posted by: sullivang

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 05/02/10 09:24 AM

Excellent - I'm glad you have done this test!

Yes, maybe there needs to be a "compatibility" option, where a Note-Off will be sent when EITHER the top or the middle sensors are triggered! That way, we'd still have most of the benefit of the third sensor, but with no compatibility problems.

Greg.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 05/02/10 12:12 PM

I have a Casio PX-575 which uses the older keyboard without the third sensor. I have recently taken it apart to replace the dampening material (strips of felt) that the hammers are parked on. It runs directly under the keyboard and is glued to the bottom cover. You have to dissemble the piano to access it. I have discovered than when the strips flatten out (from the hammers beating against it), the keys chatter, probably because the hammers travel farther and noise increases. The action also becomes less responsive with a mushy feel. I have replaced what Casio uses with foam insulation strips used to insulate around doors and window. This can be bought at Home Depot and Lowes for minimal cost. It seems to hold up much better.

The keybed seems to be well made and is made of heavy duty plastic. There is some lateral movement of the keys but I've never had any trouble with clicking noises. Mine was also missing that strip of felt on the overhang, but I added a piece of that foam insulation which helps prevent the keys from slapping against their rests.
Posted by: spanishbuddha

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 05/02/10 05:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris

The price is right, they do sound pretty good but I wonder if there's a trade off in regard to how these things will hold up.



Don't know the answer to this. Apart from a few early complaints about keys stuck down when the PX330 deliveries started at the back end of last year, then apart from me :-( there's not been much or any problems reported with the keyboard action other than observations about looseness. It's probably too early to say.

There are photo's here of the key action if that helps at all (probably not).
http://www.mediafire.com/?jnmkittiolf
Posted by: ksoze

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 05/03/10 12:36 PM

Hi,
does anybody know the release date of the PX-3 in Europe?

Also, I've seen on another forum that the PX-330 has transportation issues (it should be carried only horizontally) because of the fragile hammer machanisms. Anyone confirming?

Thanks,
Dan
Posted by: PianoRalf

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 05/03/10 12:59 PM

When I got my PX330 the uppermost key C7 was hanging. I had a mechanical at home who could fix it by fiddle a bit with a screwdriver. The key had lost it's axle. So I had the chance to look inside without loosing guaranty. There is no spring inside.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 05/03/10 11:07 PM

Piano Ralf
You are correct. There are no springs at all. The hammers are mounted in a free moving pivot. The hammer attaches to a piece of protruding plastic that is part of the plastic key. There's a hole in the middle and the hammer is kept on by a plastic keeper. Casio uses dampening material glued to the bottom of the keybed and another strip of material that is glued to the bottom cover. When you push the key down the hammer moves up (striking the damper glued to the keybed. When the key is released the hammer strikes the lower damper glued to the case. When the instrument is not in use the hammers are parked on this lower damper. This can flatten out in time and eventually cause the keys to chatter and become noisy.
Posted by: Sean M.

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 05/05/10 04:58 AM

My PX-130 survived a trans-Atlantic flight in the cargo hold at the hands of the baggage handlers, and after I moved I had it in the box standing up on end for about 4 days. No problems.
Posted by: WildMan

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 05/05/10 03:11 PM

Upon delivery of my first Privia PX-330, a couple of the upper end keys were partially lower. I sent it back and it's replacement was perfect and has served me well over the past year of frequent gigging. I carry it around in one of Casio's padded bags especially designed for this Privia model. The action on it feels like it did when I first got it and it's plastic case has been very durable as well. When my PX-3bk arrives, I'll keep the 330 for a practice/backup piano.
Posted by: PianoRalf

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 05/22/10 05:25 AM

The manual for the PX-3 is available.
I found it here:
http://support.casio.com/pdf/008/PX3_E_1A_web.pdf
I was interested how modulation will be assigned to buttons. It can be assigned only to the left button. ON PX330 it is the metronome button, which has no "on" light. So modulation will be added (send via MIDI) if you press the button. (the depth for pressed and unpressed can be assigned). If you have an organ sound and want to to control the rotating effect you can use the second swith. It is the Recorder button on the PX330, which has a light. So On and off will be toggle. So you can switch on rotary effect an switch off. This effect will be produced by the internal DSP. But how to do this via MIDI? Normally this is controlled by the MIDI CONTROL CHANGE parameter Number 1 (Modulation) . And this can be assigned to the Button 2 as well laugh
Here I found that is possible to assign a value for "Light on" and "Light off". So Just assign Button 2 to Contol Change 1 and you will have a Modulation with a fixed outputvalue during you have 2 hands free for playing.
Or you can assign Button 1 for half speed and Button 2 for full speed modulation.
There are more piano presets available. But I could not find sound demos yet.
Unfortunately the rhythm is not available. But I don'`t understand why they also removed the metronome.
I have the PX330 and would miss the drum section, helping me to keep tempo during playing. I have an external Midi master keyboard controller and have the problem that drums are not played correctly when using LOCAL OFF. (Some Instruments are missing) So I thought the PX-3 would be a solution for that. But it does not have drums any more :-( Just drum sounds. They could be played by an external MIDI device. So not the perfect keyboard for me.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 05/31/10 10:21 PM

Anyone who is interested in listening to sound samples from the soon to be released Casio PX-3 Demos can follow the link below. Mike Martin has posted these on a temporary page. Sounds like the EP patches have been improved quite a bit compared to what is in the PX-330.
http://www.keysolutionssounds.com/casio/
Posted by: pianodilemma

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 06/01/10 12:42 AM

Thanks for the link galaxy. Sounds pretty nice (though with some flaws, though I doubt you'll care in a gig), and definitely should give the other players a run for their money, especially at the price ranges they're talking about (~$800) and the low-20lb-ish weight.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 06/01/10 11:08 AM

From what I can hear, there seems to be more clarity and detail in the EPs, but APs remain pretty much the same with the short decay and dullness in the upper-mid register. Nevertheless, it does seem like a pretty good package for the musician who needs a basic workhorse.
Posted by: PianoRalf

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 06/04/10 04:06 AM

Maybe the internal EQ could improve the Acoustic Piano sound. I use an external EQ for my PX-330. Maybe Mike Martin could try to optimize the AP and give us an additional demo of the piano sound. In the manual I found some more piano preset. For example the Mono Piano, which is important for stage pianist.
Posted by: funtimesman

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 06/14/10 01:40 PM

Hi, I am writing to see about getting my casio privia px330-bk repaired. I am attempting to bring a line level signal from my pc's soundcard into the line in (either both left and right line in or just the left/mono line in) on the privia. I can do that and hear the music i am bringing in play on the privia's onboard speakers; however, i cannot adjust the volume on the privia by using the volume knob on the priva. i can adjust the volume on the component I am using to send the line level signal to the privia, but I want to be able to adjust it on the privia. The manual indicates that I should be able to do so by using the privia's volume controller.

http://support.casio.com/manualfile.php?rgn=1&cid=008009141

the manual, on page e-8, indicates:
"playing output from external equipment through the piano's speakers...use commercially available cables to connect the external audio equipment to the piano's line in jacks ...line in r jack inputs sounds through the piano's right speaker while line in l/mono...

page e-7 under "connecting audio equipment or an amplifier....the digital piano automatically adjust sound output to optimize for...built in speaker output...this will also cause a change in the output quality from the digital piano's line out...whenever connectin a device to the digital piano first use the volume contrller to set the volume to a low level...after connecting, you can adjust the volume to the level you want..."the digital piano automatically adjust sound output to optimize for...built in speaker output" makes it sound like one doesn't have an option regarding volume considering it is done automatically...the part about turning the volume down before connecting an audio device seems to not apply to the line in...


Why is this important to me? I want to take the line out from my Emu 1820 audio interface (its the sound card for my pc, basically) and play in on the privia's onboard speakers, in addition to my speaker monitors attached to my pc via my audio interface and power amp, etc...however the privia drowns out my speaker monitors (my minimus 7's, old school cheap monitors). Maybe if I understood how to use Emu's Patchmix interface better I could independently control the volume for the signal sent out to the privia's speakers versus the volume for the signal to my minimus 7's, but alas, I do not...

Any input is much 'perciated.

Sincerely ,

Jim
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 06/23/10 03:12 PM

Originally Posted By: PianoRalf
Maybe the internal EQ could improve the Acoustic Piano sound. I use an external EQ for my PX-330. Maybe Mike Martin could try to optimize the AP and give us an additional demo of the piano sound. In the manual I found some more piano preset. For example the Mono Piano, which is important for stage pianist.


The PX-3 is definitely capable of a much wider variety of acoustic piano sounds. The EQ is very useful for this. We're working on even more demos and also some video content. I hope to be doing a LIVE online clinic very soon - which I'll post about here in this thread.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 06/23/10 03:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Originally Posted By: PianoRalf
Maybe the internal EQ could improve the Acoustic Piano sound. I use an external EQ for my PX-330. Maybe Mike Martin could try to optimize the AP and give us an additional demo of the piano sound. In the manual I found some more piano preset. For example the Mono Piano, which is important for stage pianist.


The PX-3 is definitely capable of a much wider variety of acoustic piano sounds. The EQ is very useful for this. We're working on even more demos and also some video content. I hope to be doing a LIVE online clinic very soon - which I'll post about here in this thread.


Mike, the following comes not from a wish to criticize for its own sake, but from a genuine desire for Casio to provide piano players with something truly special.

Having owned the PX-310, PX-320, PX-330, and now the PX-130 (alongside instruments from other manufacturers), I am amazed at what Casio offers for the money. However, I think the PX-3 is supposed to be more of a flagship stage piano that will celebrate the Casio anniversary , and therefore needs to wow its purchasers (and their audiences). The AP sound that the latest PX series offers is good but has some serious flaws. The stretching is very evident, and when it is coupled with dubious samples (as found in the A to D range above middle-C) it spoils the pleasure of playing and listening to a certain extent. Also, as pointed out in many posts, the sample length/decay time/looping is somewhat short. This means that although fast passages sound OK, slow, sustained pieces are less good - I have noticed that most of Casio's AP demos are fast, which, naturally, masks the problem to a certain extent. These issues are found across all the main piano patches, as they seem to be derived from the same sample set.

Although I am surprised that weak samples found their way into the finished products in the first place, it would be a crying shame if they were allowed into this anniversary model. I understand that Casio has to build to a price, but given all the other features - four layers, linear morphing, triple sensors etc., it wouldn't make sense to "spoil the ship for a h'ap'orth of tar." As for length of samples, I don't know enough about the technology to know if it's possible to improve this at such a late stage of development, but if it could be done, it would help lift the new piano into a higher class.

EPs in the Privias currently suffer from having only two velocity layers. If EPs could share at least the same number of velocity layers as the APs, again this would help the instrument compete against Roland, Korg and Yamaha.

I'm really hoping Casio is listening!
Posted by: JoeyIsFunny

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 06/23/10 04:15 PM

Wonderful post, voxpops. This really addresses everything that needs to be tuned/fixed in the Privias. They are such great DPs, but have so much more potential with small tweaks and fixes. Its a shame some of these things weren't taken care of during development. I'm surprised the somewhat botched samples in the G# to A# range above middle C weren't caught and fixed before production. Things like that, these small things, really are holding it back. Regardless, I still love it!
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 06/23/10 08:13 PM

voxpops,
Did I understand you to say a while back you sold your PX-330 and now you have purchased the PX-130 to replace it despite your dissatisfaction with the decay and sound in the octaves above middle C?
Posted by: voxpops

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 06/23/10 08:59 PM

Well spotted!

Yes I sold it, but managed to get a month-old PX-130 for $300. It was definitely worth that as a practice instrument. Despite my criticisms, I think the Privias offer a lot for the money.
Posted by: dewster

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 06/23/10 09:05 PM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
Despite my criticisms, I think the Privias offer a lot for the money.

That's my take exactly.

The hell of it is though, they could completely blow everyone out of the water if they put another $5 (retail) of Flash in there.

Mike Martin / Casio, if you're reading this, why is your sample memory so tiny?
Posted by: pianodilemma

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 06/23/10 10:01 PM

For Mike Martin: if you want to absolutely turn this market upside down with your products and greatly increase your market share:

* Take dewster's DPBSD and use it as a test case for your product development and testing so that the products pass every test in the DPBSD before release to manufacturing (which I'm sure will require some more R&D work)
* Generally add some type of expandability, even as SD memory cards with libraries
* Do a little more manufacturing QA on the keybeds and sturdy them up a bit
* Heed some of the other comments in this thread and on Keyboard Corner, especially regarding MIDI controllers
* Have price points at the same or similar levels (no more than $100-$200 SRP increase)

You guys are seriously so damned close it's not even funny.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 06/30/10 11:40 AM

Live tonight we're going to try to stream a PX-3 demo online at 7:00pm EST. It should get recorded and be available online afterward if you can can't attend.

Live Privia PX-3 demo by Casio America, Inc.
Posted by: JoeyIsFunny

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 06/30/10 07:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Live tonight we're going to try to stream a PX-3 demo online at 7:00pm EST. It should get recorded and be available online afterward if you can can't attend.

Live Privia PX-3 demo by Casio America, Inc.


Very nice demo, Mike! Thanks for all the info.
Posted by: Zinfan

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 06/30/10 07:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Live tonight we're going to try to stream a PX-3 demo online at 7:00pm EST. It should get recorded and be available online afterward if you can can't attend.

Live Privia PX-3 demo by Casio America, Inc.


Just got done watching the demo and really enjoyed it. Mike did a great job showing the instrument off and it sounded really great to my ears. Mike said the video will be up on that site to watch soon if you missed it. I'm hoping to run into one at GC in Sacramento tomorrow when I drive through but in any case I need to find one to try out soon.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 06/30/10 07:57 PM

Excellent demo Mike, and congratulations on a great live stream!

The PX-3 looks and sounds like it'll be a great product!

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: JFP

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 07/28/10 05:58 PM

If they throw out let's say 70% of the sounds and use the freed-up memory to enhance the basic piano sounds they have a killer stage piano in their hands. I recently tried the ivory touch keybed version of the casio 830 and it was actually quite good ! Combined with their current offer of half-pedaling support and sound-input (only Clavia is so clever to add this feature on their Nord piano as well) they are almost there to compete with the big names.

As a last request they should add aftertouch to this controller and Yamaha, Kawai and Roland and left in dust, because they all think that aftertouch is something from the past. That's because decisions are recently only made by man in suits that never actually play an instrument, but just talk in marketing terms and money. Otherwise they should know that modulation wheels and aftertouch are some basic controls for playing many of the 'non-piano' sounds.

Oh...and make it USB powered as an option. FATAR Numa series are USB powered , so why not this device. Great for gigs / studio's with laptops as added sound source.

Go Casio, go - give us the perfect PX3 successor ! Just take note of the comments that are made on fora like this. I wouldn't care if it raised the price somewhat.
Posted by: JFP

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 07/28/10 06:07 PM

uhm...at second thought; forget the USB powered option; it will probably draw too much power, but if it doesn't it would be a great added feature.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 07/28/10 07:19 PM

Originally Posted By: JFP
If they throw out let's say 70% of the sounds and use the freed-up memory to enhance the basic piano sounds they have a killer stage piano in their hands.


Sounds like a pretty good plan. wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: sullivang

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 07/28/10 09:01 PM

Yes, I would like USB power too, and also:
- an integrated low latency USB audio interface (like some M-Audio keyboards)
- speakers
- a standalone 3-pedal unit

The PX-330 is closer to what I want at the moment, but I'd love to have the other features of the PX-3 as well - especially the ivory keys. (the PX-3 is not even available in Australia yet though)

Greg.
Posted by: JFP

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 08/05/10 11:18 AM

Strange price differentiation between countries; perhaps someone at Casio can explain (please) ? Although some of my 'requirements' are missing the Casio seemed to have a good balance between price/performance. So I went shopping..., but here in Westerm Europe the Casio bare price is € 1099, which translates to $ 1445 with the the exchange rate of today. Compared to the $ 799 in the states WITH a free carrying bag, that seems to be too much of a difference. I know stuff like this is always cheaper in the US, but even if you calculate some margin for VAT, a distributor in between and additional costs, I think 900 euro's should be a more reasonable price, considering what other brands are offering AND the fact that people buy Casio BECAUSE of the low price range and still pretty good quality. Otherwise they might stick to the well-known brands, like Y, K and R. I simply don't understand the Casio marketing guys over here - they could sell much more of their products with a little less margin..., but perhaps I'm the only one.
Posted by: Vectistim

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 08/05/10 12:37 PM

Thomann have them at 899 euros
http://www.thomann.de/gb/casio_px_3_bk_privia_limited_edition.htm
Posted by: JFP

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 08/05/10 01:56 PM

Not for the Netherlands; over here they offer it for € 929,= ex shipping costs and ex carrying bag. Still $ 1222,= , and that is the cheapest(!) offering to find over here, the rest is hovering between 950 and 999 euro's. The again, most shops bluntly offer it for the adviced price of € 1099 and that is again $ 1445,= in US dollars; not just a little more - but you can almost buy two units for that price in the US.

I think Casio should reconsider what it want's to be over here; a very strong competitor against the known big names, because they offer something really useful for a very sharp price, or a competitor in the same price and product range as the rest, but then they should offer the same build- and sound quality for a comparable price.

In the latter case they are still not entirely there; the piano sound is not bad , but no Roland SN piano, and the hardware is not at the same professional level as , let's say the (entry) Kawai MP series or mid range Yamaha's.

I think it's a missed opportunity (at least with the price policy over here; I assume in the states people are more than happy to spend their 799 on the PX3, which is a very competitive price !)
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 08/05/10 04:33 PM

Good point! Their quality control is spotty especially on their keybeds. Some have keys that loosen up and wobble noticeably from side to side sometimes catching on adjacent keys. The gaps on the keybeds also isn't always uniform. Considering the price of their products is considerably more in the UK and Europe, seems like issues like these would be deal breakers, but it is hard to guage from a forum how widespread they are. In the states Casio is considered good for the money, but is also seen as being built to a price point.
Posted by: L.J.

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 11/14/10 08:51 PM

Dear Mr. Mike Martin, I am addressing/asking you for lack of a satisfactory answer from Casio technical support. I recently purchased a PX-3 and used it in concert to control a Yamaha Motif E-S onstage @ a 2,300 seat venue with the rock group with which I am a member "Joe Grushecky and the Houserockers" alongside Mr. Bruce Springsteen.
I am happy with the key deck and action so far as well as the light weight, however, I am astonished and disappointed at the apparent oversight in not including a modulation thumb wheel and especially volume/expression pedal electronics with this 30 year anniversary piano.
In my opinion, observation and use of many keyboards over 30 years in the music business, these options/features are a necessity when using a keyboard as a controller to mimic for example; organ leslie speaker efects via a "toggle" ( or thumb wheel, not a button you have to hold down ) or adding volume/modulation effects to piano/synth sounds via an expression pedal while both hands are busy playing, again, not a "button" you have to hold down.
I had to find a replacement 88 key controller to replace my current digital piano that is failing after 15 years of use . I imagined what I was looking for to be first and foremost a realistic piano "feel", small physically, and lightweight, all of which so far the PX-3 satisfies, again, however, the lack of these industry standard features leaves me no choice but to consider returning the PX-3 and continuing my search for a suitable replacement again. I would very much like to continue using this, and other products by Casio but I need a forthright answer as to whether these modulation issues can be readily addressed by Casio. Perhaps some type of modification etc. I would very much appreciate any help/suggestions in this regard. Let me know of alternate contact info etc., if any. Sincerely, l.j.
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 11/14/10 09:50 PM

Originally Posted By: L.J.
I am astonished and disappointed at the apparent oversight in not including a modulation thumb wheel and especially volume/expression pedal electronics with this 30 year anniversary piano.

I suspect this limitation was imposed by the apparent need to use the existing PX-330 enclosure for this limited edition, rather than develop new molds and mechanics.

Originally Posted By: L.J.
these options/features are a necessity when using a keyboard as a controller to mimic for example; organ leslie speaker efects via a "toggle" ( or thumb wheel, not a button you have to hold down )

The "Assignable 2" button can function as a Leslie toggle (hit once to speed up, hit again to slow down).

Originally Posted By: L.J.
or adding volume/modulation effects to piano/synth

A volume pedal can easily be added by taking the outputs of the PX-3 and running it through a traditional style volume pedal with in and out jacks.

Originally Posted By: L.J.
I need a forthright answer as to whether these modulation issues can be readily addressed by Casio. Perhaps some type of modification etc. I would very much appreciate any help/suggestions in this regard.

I believe a Behringer FCB1010 connected to the PX-3's MIDI in will allow you to use its two pedals as expression and modulation pedals. You might also be able to program one of its footswitches to change rotary speed.
Posted by: pv88

. - 11/14/10 10:05 PM

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Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 - 11/14/10 11:02 PM

L.J.
If you want to try and contact Mike Martin, you might try going to the Keyboard Corner on the music player forum. You might try and PM him. I don't think he hangs out much on this forum any longer.