Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy

Posted by: PlasticGlass

Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 04/17/10 04:08 PM

Hello,
I'm going to buy a new piano. I have made a lot of search and finally I decided for Casio Celviano AP-620. I appreciate its look, sound, accompaniments, and other gadgets but sorry to say I have not seen it live - only on the internet.
In the local music store I was told to buy something else such as Yamaha, Roland mainly due to reliability. It does not sell Casio at all.
I will buy it online.
Do you have any experience with this DP?
Do you think it is a good choice for an adult? I will use it only for home performances, daily excercises, not for studying classical music.
It will be placed in a quite large living room so 2 x 30 Watts speakers are good.
Do you think that this instrument will last 5 years at least? I mean keyboard especially.
Do you think that keyboard issues are matter of the past as far as Casio is concerned?

Thanks all
Posted by: ChrisA

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 04/17/10 05:34 PM

of the pianos you could try, which of then had key actions you like and not liked. Then you might ask if the ap-620 is like any of those.
Posted by: sullivang

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 04/17/10 07:28 PM

Regarding reliability, here in Australia Casio provide a 5 year warranty. (I have not read the conditions of the warranty yet, but assuming there's nothing adverse, this seems like a very good warranty)

Greg.
Posted by: 10_lame_fingers

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 04/18/10 03:40 PM

Hi there,

I am in the middle of a similar decision. My focus is around Roland HP 305, Kawai CA 63 or Casio AP 620. And as you, I will be able to test play the Roland and Kawai, but not the Casio. From the specs and also from the price, I might prefer the Casio too, also, there are fairly good reviews in two German magazines.
In seveal online shops, you can order with a 30-days-money-back garantuee, I still hesitate, in a couple of weeks I will test play again and then decide, what I do.

There are two links, that might help you:

A brief review including sound demos ( the complete review you can only find in the paper issue ), translated from German by google:

http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tastenwelt.de%2Ftest_casio_ap-620.0.html

The second is a fairly good supplier video on youtube. For this, it might be helpful to understand German ;-), but still you would get the essence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYW3uolHrVk
Posted by: PlasticGlass

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 04/18/10 04:28 PM

Thanks for the links. They are very useful and I have already decided to buy AP-620. I will order it tomorrow. There is a shop nearby - but only online- offering good price, 30 days money back and 3 years warranty.

The link on youtube you sent is well known. The guy says something like "that is phenomenal at this price range". It was in connection with dynamic range of the instrument as a result of the four level sampling.

Here is another impressive video on latest Privia and Celviano:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmxKktvMQFU&feature=related

I personally think that new Privias and Celvianos are bound to be success for the company.
Posted by: partitionflorent

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 05/12/10 11:24 AM

Nobody buy this DP ?

The AP-620 is very cheap compared to the kawai ca63.
Posted by: partitionflorent

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 05/12/10 11:26 AM

This one could be fine no ?
http://www.casio-intl.com/emi/30th/products/ap_6bp.html
Posted by: NoFingers

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 05/14/10 07:24 PM

I keep seeing these Casio special editions, but never see a place to actually purchase them.
Posted by: Sniffy

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 07/28/10 09:31 AM

I recently embarked on the journey of finding a digital piano for my wife for her birthday. She plays by ear and learned to play on a traditional upright piano; so it was important for me to find something with a realistic key/hammer feel. She also likes to utilize many of the features that a digital piano offers (tones).. so I wanted to make sure there were plenty of options that she can grow with. She also likes to play loud and sing, so I needed to be sure it had enough volume while maintaining a clean sound. And last but not least, a sharp cabinet that will enhance our home was also an important consideration.

I had a preconceived notion that Yamaha and Roland pianos were the two best and that only those brands would do. After looking for a few weeks, I was "set" on buying the Yamaha YDPV240... even though the cabinet was just "OK" (it looked kinda cheap). I went to a local store and tried it out and loved it, but still had that hesitation because it just didn’t seem to be worth $1,800 when I could pay a little more for a better quality piano.

A "little more $" kept adding up though and I really wanted to stay down around $1,500. During my reading, I ran across this discussion thread and several more that covered the Casio AP620. I watched a few YouTube video demos on it, read the specs and long story short, I went out on a limb and ordered the Casio AP620 for my wife.

I made the right decision by a mile! My wife absolutely loves everything about the new AP620. And the black cabinet looks fabulous in our home (the case is one of the best I have seen on the pianos I looked at under $5k).

The feel is impressive and slightly heavier than the V240 and is very realistic when compared to a traditional piano. The sound is amazing with the 4 speaker system (2 underneath and 2 on top facing the player). The highs are crisp while the lows will vibrate the room like a true bass string. The sound fills our 3,500 sq. ft. home with a beautiful tone… the sound has impressed me the most. The interface was very easy to figure out and in a couple hours she was combining tones, and doing other things that I don’t even understand.

Anyway, I just wanted to come back here and share my journey in case you are considering these two pianos. Best of luck in your search!
Posted by: eweiss

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 07/28/10 10:16 AM

Just bought the Celviano AP-220 and it is amazing! Got mine off of Amazon.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 07/28/10 10:21 AM

Maybe the brand new CN33 is also an option:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...tml#Post1483089
Posted by: Sniffy

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 07/28/10 10:59 AM

I ordered my Casio Celviano AP-620 from an online retailer, Gigasonic. Shipping was free and extremely fast. http://www.gigasonic.com/

I hope that helps.
Posted by: mitchb2

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 12/16/10 06:56 PM

I think I'm going to pull the trigger and buy one.
Posted by: dmd

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 03/20/11 03:59 PM

Originally Posted By: PlasticGlass
Thanks for the links. They are very useful and I have already decided to buy AP-620. I will order it tomorrow.


I am strongly considering purchasing the AP-620 and I would like to find out how things worked out for those of you who did buy one. Are you still happy with it ?
Posted by: leemax

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 03/20/11 05:45 PM

I've had one since mid-December and I'm very pleased with it. I did get some external monitors but I think that most DPs need them. There are a couple of threads talking about that now that you have probably seen.
Posted by: dmd

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 03/20/11 06:52 PM

Originally Posted By: leemax
I've had one since mid-December and I'm very pleased with it. I did get some external monitors but I think that most DPs need them. There are a couple of threads talking about that now that you have probably seen.


Glad to hear it.

I would probably consider purchasing the M-Audio BX5a speakers if needed. It is my understanding that I could just plug them into my DP and go. Pretty good reviews.
Posted by: LAX

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 06/25/11 06:08 PM

I have been searching for an EP for a month now. My neighbor suggested me to look into the Casio AP 620. I was at a local store the other day, the salesperson recommeneded the Yamaha YDP181 to me. I believe the Casio is $200 cheaper than the Yamaha.

Based on the specification, Casio has more features than Yamaha and it even comes with an adjustable bench. Actually, I don't care much for most of the features as I am just a beginner and it will take me years before I will know and learn all the features anyway.

What I care most is the key action and response that will give me a close to acoustic piano experience. Also, I would like to know which one will give me lesser maintenace/ repair headache.

Thanks for your suggestions/comments in advance.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 06/25/11 06:32 PM

LAX, if you are primarily concerned about the quality of the keyboard action, I would suggest you also consider the CLP-330, which features the GH3 action.

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: LAX

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 06/25/11 07:28 PM

James, isn't it the CLP-330 is more expansive than the YDP-181? There is only one dealer at 3 locations in my area that carry the Clavinova line. - LAX
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 06/25/11 07:38 PM

LAX, yes, I expect the CLP-330 may be a little more expensive than the YDP-181, however because this is an older model (the CLP-400 range are now shipping), you may be able to pick-up a good deal.

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: LAX

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 06/25/11 08:21 PM

James,

The AP-620 is $1,399 and the YDP-181 is $1,599 and their price are fixed in couple of the local stores but these stores don't have the Clavinova line.

The only company has 3 locations in my area that carrries the Clavinova line only list the MSRP. I easily feel intimated by salespersons. Just wonder if you happen to know what is the price point of the CLP-330. It will help me a lot before walking in the store.

Thank you for your help.

-LAX
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 06/25/11 08:35 PM

LAX, sorry, I'm afraid I don't know the prices of Clavinova models in the US.

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: LAX

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 06/25/11 08:38 PM

James,

No problem. Thank you again.

-LAX
Posted by: MacMacMac

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 06/25/11 10:27 PM

LAX: The prices on the high-end Yamahas (and other brands) are set by negotiation.
Whatever the retail price is ... don't pay that.
Whatever the "reduced" price or "sale" price is tagged on the piano ... don't pay that.

Instead, check the prices paid thread on this forum.

Or look at pianobuyer.com, with prices in the appendix section. Expect to reduce the "MSRP" price by 40% or so, and make an offer.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 06/25/11 10:55 PM

Originally Posted By: LAX
I have been searching for an EP for a month now. My neighbor suggested me to look into the Casio AP 620. I was at a local store the other day, the salesperson recommeneded the Yamaha YDP181 to me. I believe the Casio is $200 cheaper than the Yamaha.

Based on the specification, Casio has more features than Yamaha and it even comes with an adjustable bench. Actually, I don't care much for most of the features as I am just a beginner and it will take me years before I will know and learn all the features anyway.


What I care most is the key action and response that will give me a close to acoustic piano experience. Also, I would like to know which one will give me lesser maintenace/ repair headache.

Thanks for your suggestions/comments in advance.


LAX,
I believe there is a Yahama Arius 161 priced around the Casio AP-620. The 181 is priced higher. I would go with the Yahama over the Casio as the actions seem much more reliable and less problematic. The current lineup from Casio seems to exhibit keys that become loose and wobbly. There is a lot more side to side play in the Casios. This seems to plague their entire line of current models. There have been quite a few complaints about the Casio keybeds. Casio has been replacing defective keybeds for customers but it is an obvious area of concern. The AP-620 is a very nice piano and is loaded with features. It is pretty much a PX-330 in a nicer cabinet with a higher wattage amp and more speakers. If you're thinking about the Clavinova line, be prepared to open up your wallet. If you're just starting out, the Arius line is more than adequate. Just my 2 cents.
Posted by: LAX

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 06/26/11 01:18 AM

MacMacMac,

Thanks for the tip. smile


-LAX
Posted by: LAX

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 06/26/11 01:36 AM

Originally Posted By: galaxy4t
Originally Posted By: LAX
I have been searching for an EP for a month now. My neighbor suggested me to look into the Casio AP 620. I was at a local store the other day, the salesperson recommeneded the Yamaha YDP181 to me. I believe the Casio is $200 cheaper than the Yamaha.

Based on the specification, Casio has more features than Yamaha and it even comes with an adjustable bench. Actually, I don't care much for most of the features as I am just a beginner and it will take me years before I will know and learn all the features anyway.


What I care most is the key action and response that will give me a close to acoustic piano experience. Also, I would like to know which one will give me lesser maintenace/ repair headache.

Thanks for your suggestions/comments in advance.


LAX,
I believe there is a Yahama Arius 161 priced around the Casio AP-620. The 181 is priced higher. I would go with the Yahama over the Casio as the actions seem much more reliable and less problematic. The current lineup from Casio seems to exhibit keys that become loose and wobbly. There is a lot more side to side play in the Casios. This seems to plague their entire line of current models. There have been quite a few complaints about the Casio keybeds. Casio has been replacing defective keybeds for customers but it is an obvious area of concern. The AP-620 is a very nice piano and is loaded with features. It is pretty much a PX-330 in a nicer cabinet with a higher wattage amp and more speakers. If you're thinking about the Clavinova line, be prepared to open up your wallet. If you're just starting out, the Arius line is more than adequate. Just my 2 cents.



Galaxy4t,

I read from another forum someone managed to get a CLP-330 for $1,800. If I can get the same deal, should I get the CLP-330 or just stick with the YDP-181 for $1,599?

-LAX
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 06/26/11 01:56 AM

LAX,
There are always deals to be had, and if you have the budget, and can afford it, go for it. If you could get a Clavinova for $300 over an Arias, it's a no brainer, just be sure it is the one for you. Keep in mind that all digitals have flaws, even the more expensive ones. The most important thing is key action which you have to decide for yourself what feels good to you. This is often difficult for a beginner to judge.
Posted by: LAX

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 06/26/11 03:01 AM

Galazy4t,

Thanks for the advice.

-LAX
Posted by: SteveConslaw

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 07/04/11 08:20 PM

I just bought an AP620 at Sweetwater Sound's annual Gear Fest. They had a great price, but they only had one of them. (I guess they're still in short supply.)

I posted a detailed review on Amazon.com. Here's the link.


http://www.amazon.com/review/R30FVVA5GJR...=&linkCode=

If you are within a day's drive of Fort Wayne, Indiana, you should go to Gear Fest next June. There are plenty of interesting demos, and great deals as well.

Steve Conslaw
Indianapolis
Posted by: pv88

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 07/05/11 01:37 AM

Hi Steve,

Let me know if you should encounter a sustain pedal resonance issue with your new AP-620. Please post it here, if you do.

One new member [souwestriver] has had the issue in this thread, below:

Casio AP-620 / Resonance issue remains / Question
Posted by: SteveConslaw

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 07/13/11 11:47 PM

I have not encountered any issues at all, but to be fair, with less than a month with the piano, "the night is still young".

If there is one thing I could change on the AP 620, I would make the captions on the buttons more legible and make the backlit display bigger. I know that might make the piano less "acoustic looking" but it would be worth it.

I played a few general midi sequences off of an SD card the other day, including Rebecca Black's "Friday". They sound pretty good with the built-in instruments. The drums could use more presence.
Posted by: SteveConslaw

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 10/08/11 09:49 PM

I have encountered no sustain pedal resonance issues.

To change the topic, I just wanted to post that I bought a piano lamp that works well with the AP620. [url=http://www.amazon.com/Piano-Desk-Lamp-Satin-Nickel/dp/B002SDR7OO/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1318124827&sr=1-1-catcorr]Boston Harbor Satin Nickel Piano Desk Lamp[/url, usually about $25 from Amazon has a finish that comes pretty close to the metal trim on the AP620. If any piano needed a piano lamp, it is the AP620. Those buttons just cannot be read without direct light.
Posted by: steamboatman

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 12/21/11 08:18 PM

I just ordered the Casio Celviano AP620 and Im very concerned now after reading this forum. Does anyone know if the wobbly keys really become a big problem or is there just some play that doesnt necessarily have to be fixed. Thanks!
Posted by: steamboatman

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 12/21/11 08:27 PM

Thanks
Posted by: steamboatman

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 12/31/11 06:01 PM

Ok well I received my AP620 on Thursday and it is beautiful. It plays very well. I have noticed that the black keys do make a clicking sound when i play them sometimes because I hit them on an angle. It doesnt bother me though, nothing is perfect. My only worry is that it is going to get worse. I dont know who to believe on this website. Some people seem to be just stuck on Yamaha and bash Casio for no good reason. This piano is much nicer than any of the Yamahas I played in the store. Im am so happy with it but I cannot get the keybed issue out of my head, its as though im just waiting for it to get worse and its ruining my experience. Does anyone have this piano for a long period of time and can confirm it still plays good? Thank you. I dont want to return this one! This is the 3rd DP I had and I cant stand that there is a problem with each and every one! If somebody can offer me some good advice id really appreciate it. Thanks again.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 12/31/11 06:53 PM

Casio is offering 2 additional years warranty if you register your piano on their site(USA). This matches the standard Yahama warranty so if the keybed becomes defective, you can have it replaced.
Posted by: steamboatman

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 12/31/11 07:43 PM

Thanks
Posted by: pv88

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 01/01/12 03:05 AM

Originally Posted By: steamboatman
Ok well I received my AP620 on Thursday and it is beautiful. It plays very well. I have noticed that the black keys do make a clicking sound when i play them sometimes because I hit them on an angle. It doesnt bother me though, nothing is perfect. My only worry is that it is going to get worse. I dont know who to believe on this website. Some people seem to be just stuck on Yamaha and bash Casio for no good reason. This piano is much nicer than any of the Yamahas I played in the store. Im am so happy with it but I cannot get the keybed issue out of my head, its as though im just waiting for it to get worse and its ruining my experience. Does anyone have this piano for a long period of time and can confirm it still plays good? Thank you. I dont want to return this one! This is the 3rd DP I had and I cant stand that there is a problem with each and every one! If somebody can offer me some good advice id really appreciate it. Thanks again.


Please note:

However, watch for (or, beware) of the potential for a resonance issue with the sustain pedal which seems to happen when you pedal a lot, plus use the "Piano / Strings" combined layer. This can also happen on the PX-130 (which I previously owned, then sold), and, does happen on the AP-620.

Perhaps you won't play as I do, with heavy pedaling and a high volume level set, with playing in the "ff" range. Have had exactly three Casio's that have had this same issue, although I have kept the AP-620 since it doesn't happen all of the time.

I did give up on trying to record and capture the resonance issue, since it requires knowing how transfer a recording (with the issue captured on it) from the Casio's built-in recorder to an SD memory card.

Can't figure out how to get that done, as I messed up some SD memory cards in the process, or, didn't format them in the right way, etc... and, memory cards aren't cheap, either.
Posted by: piRround

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 01/01/12 07:43 AM

I've had a px330 for 2 years now and have had no issues with anything at all. In spite of the Casio bashing I've heard, I think they have a lot to offer for low prices. They do have good warranties, and I've heard that their customer support is very good as well —I've never had to use it.

I picked a Casio because it offered lots of bells and whistles for a lower cost than Yamaha, Roland or Kawai and I've not regretted my decision.

Best of luck with your new piano. Just enjoy it and don't worry about what MIGHT happen.
Posted by: jrcallan

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 01/01/12 08:45 AM

At the risk of being repetive, I've had a Casio AP-45 console digital for almost four years now and it still plays great. It's been through several house moves and I have no keyboard issues.

I wish the sharps were textured rather than smooth - they get a little slippery sometimes, but I have no issues with side-to-side movement.

ALthough I also have a Kawai UST-7 upright, I think I'll always have a DP for playing at 5:30 a.m. with headphones.

Good luck with yours.
Posted by: steamboatman

Re: Casio Celviano AP 620 buy or not to buy - 01/01/12 11:57 AM

Thank you guys for the advice. I appreciate it.