Yamaha CP50

Posted by: bolt

Yamaha CP50 - 05/05/10 08:53 PM

So it's supposed to be available in May. Anyone see one yet?

Posted by: dewster

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/05/10 09:00 PM

And is it too early to beg for a DPBSD MP3 of the CFIIIS piano in there? Mainly to see if it is the same as the patch that goes by the same name in the CP1. I promise not to dump on it (unless it deserves it). smile
Posted by: peanutty

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/05/10 11:45 PM

i'm still waiting for someone here to try it out and post a review of it. wink
Posted by: Zinfan

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/06/10 01:48 PM

Sweetwater is claiming they will arrive 5/23 and be shipped out the same day. The CP-5 is expected there on 5/16.
Posted by: Leather Bum

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/06/10 11:13 PM

Guitar Center says that the CP50 is now in stock. . .
Posted by: Peakly

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/07/10 02:23 AM

Originally Posted By: Zinfan
The CP-5 is expected there on 5/16.


I got an email today that my CP5 shipped from Musicians Friend! It has been hard for me to wait - I'm not always very good at being patient. But this was the keyboard I've been wanting, so I'm glad I waited for it.

Of course, it's all sight unseen. There isn't a single music store in all of Southern California that I could find that had a CP5 or CP1 in stock to try. But from everything I've seen, and heard, and from reading the entire manual several times, it looks like the right keyboard for me.

Mychal
Posted by: arley

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/07/10 03:10 AM

FWIW the Musician's Friend website says that the CP50 is in stock...
Posted by: Zinfan

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/07/10 07:40 PM

Good news for you Peakly! Hope to hear what you think of it soon. I'm a couple of months out from buying so perhaps the Oxnard or Fresno Guitar Centers will have demos of the CP-5/CP-50 by then.
Posted by: MagicRat

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/07/10 09:12 PM

I played a CP50 tonight at a Guitar Center. And now I've got me a problem.

I liked it fine, but I think I liked the CP5 more. It certainly looked nicer (retro look vs. slab). Sounds were very similar if not identical to my amateur ears. The graded hammer action on the CP50 was nice and felt like an acoustic Yamaha. But there was something very pleasing about the less clunky, less shiny keys on the CP5.

This might be a completely useless question to ask, but can anyone tell me what really makes the CP5 $1,000 more expensive? If my preferences are mostly about the feel of the keyboard/action, then it seems silly to spend all that extra change.

Also, please understand I bought a Korg M1 circa 1989 and have been playing it since. Mostly as a piano. Occasionally sequencing a bass line and drums to play along. Certainly not taking full advantage of what it could do.

So is there any good reason you can see to recommend the more expensive purchase? I'm curious what you think even if you haven't played these pianos. What should I know to make this decision?
Posted by: dewster

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/08/10 12:12 AM

Originally Posted By: MagicRat
So is there any good reason you can see to recommend the more expensive purchase? I'm curious what you think even if you haven't played these pianos. What should I know to make this decision?

If you've got another $1K or so at your disposal I urge you to test drive the Roland RD-700GXF. Technically the sound is head and shoulders above anything out there right now. I'd be interested in your reaction to the keys, sound, user interface, etc. as I'm currently living rather vicariously through other's experiences digital-piano-wise.
Posted by: MagicRat

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/08/10 08:09 AM

I like everything about the Roland RD700GX except how it looks. (Silly sticking point, I know). It's got amazing, full piano sounds. Brilliant electric pianos. Seems awfully versatile.

Is this the best DP in that price range? Anything other than the CP5 to compare it to?
Posted by: dewster

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/08/10 09:31 AM

Originally Posted By: MagicRat
I like everything about the Roland RD700GX except how it looks. (Silly sticking point, I know). It's got amazing, full piano sounds. Brilliant electric pianos. Seems awfully versatile.

Have you tried one with the SuperNATURAL piano kit installed?

Originally Posted By: MagicRat
Is this the best DP in that price range? Anything other than the CP5 to compare it to?

Good question, I don't believe so but it would be interesting to hear others opinions on that. For hardware DPs Roland SN and Yamaha CP are at the top sound-wise.

If you only buy one DP every 20 years or so and you really like the sound and feel of the CP5 why not go for that? It has both pianos and all of the EPs found in the CP1, plus other voices it doesn't. The only thing it seems to lack is the real FM generator and the speaker simulator.
Posted by: aDino

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/08/10 01:07 PM

Hello, been reading your forums for awhile, not a big poster. I recently tried a CP50.
I am currently using a 700GX. I felt the CP50 to be a pretty big disappointment. The action
didnt floor me, was rather light. The sounds, especially the acc piano, sounded very similar to the SX series Yam WS's. Getting around on it, especially quickly, which I need in live situations, was cumbersome. After playing it for 30 minutes, I felt I wouldnt be laying out the cash for it anytime soon. Still trying to figure out why these CP series cost so much...
I havent tried the 5 or the 1 yet.
Posted by: pianodilemma

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/09/10 04:41 AM

Originally Posted By: aDino
Hello, been reading your forums for awhile, not a big poster. I recently tried a CP50.
I am currently using a 700GX. I felt the CP50 to be a pretty big disappointment. The action
didnt floor me, was rather light. The sounds, especially the acc piano, sounded very similar to the SX series Yam WS's. Getting around on it, especially quickly, which I need in live situations, was cumbersome. After playing it for 30 minutes, I felt I wouldnt be laying out the cash for it anytime soon. Still trying to figure out why these CP series cost so much...
I havent tried the 5 or the 1 yet.


I agree with you on this. Just played one tonight at Guitar Center. Limited sounds, can't switch between them live without interruption, probably good for some limited uses. Not a bad keyboard, but only one acoustic piano and their P155 has two...
Posted by: peanutty

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/09/10 05:14 AM

I really appreciate the CP50 reviews so far! laugh I've been holding off on buying the Roland because I was waiting to compare the two -- and, so far, the Roland (with the SN kit) seems to be the favorite...
Posted by: verteqz

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/09/10 03:57 PM

Been lurking around, first post here!

I've also been considering the CP-50 and the RD700GX. I would agree that it seems like the RD700GX with SN is the winner, but the ivory key wear issue still bugs me a great deal.

Everything about the Roland is great - I think most would agree it has better action than the CP50, it has more acoustic pianos and sounds amazing.

But the key wear! And the reported clicking issues... I just can't bring myself to believe the Roland will last me a long time (at least not longer than the Yamaha).

When I read these comments: http://www.fastonkeys.com/studio/new-roland-rd700gx/ I just think about how perfect the 700GX would be if Roland had better quality control.
Posted by: Melodialworks Music

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/09/10 04:11 PM

What ivory key wear issue? This was a problem, apparently, with very early production run models (maybe even pre RD-700GX) and has been long since resolved. Not an issue at all, unless you are buying used, in which case you would check to see if it was one of the early models.

As for the clicking issues. If you mean thumping, then yes, it is one of the loudest out there. For sure check to see if this would be an issue for you.
Posted by: verteqz

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/09/10 04:25 PM

Yes, apparently, it was resolved. But if you look at some of the comments on that site you will see that even people who have had their keys replaced have continued to experience wear issues.
Posted by: Mafew J

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/09/10 05:17 PM

I really wanted the CP5 or cp50 to be decent! Since their announcement, I've been waiting for these and hoped that the CP50 would be sufficient but people here are sounding iffy about it. I've been buying/playing only Yamaha keys for a long time(1990) and sort've want to try something else now if CP's no good. Just sold my Motif ES and need to replace it with the most expressive piano sounds, the ES's weakness were pianos(IMO). I've tried the rd700 and felt 'eh' about it for its price, casio good price but blah sounds. I have Ivory and Pianotek (sound okay) but don't want to lug a computer around. Are there any good vibes about CP, if not, should I move on?
Posted by: Melodialworks Music

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/09/10 05:23 PM

The lack of mod wheel and programmable sliders and buttons may also be a problem - for all three models. Certainly reduces the usability in terms of being a master keyboard.
Posted by: JcSr56

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/09/10 07:16 PM

I've had the RD700GX since Oct.2009, and I play it a minimum of 20 hours a week, and I play it hard, and with medium length finger nails, and there is zero key wear.

I have never seen the flakes that some have described in the past, and I examine mine closely periodically, with a mag glass and flash light shining on the keys.

I am not disputing what others have said about their key wear though.

I too, was worried about the key wear after reading some of the accounts on the web, but it just hasn't happened with mine, and I don't see it happening.

John
Posted by: Melodialworks Music

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/09/10 07:45 PM

+ 1
Posted by: pianodilemma

Re: Yamaha CP50 - 05/09/10 09:57 PM

I think the past year with the RD700GX has shown that, although some folks have issues, not all do. Heck, the demo model of the RD700GX at Guitar Center looks pristine, and I know it's been there a while. As my piano teacher would say, WASH YOUR HANDS before you play, since I read somewhere that anything acidic on your hands can degrade the keys. Good advice. I'll probably buy an extended warranty if I can so if something goes wrong, I can always flip it after repair and consider any loss as rent.

I just want to reiterate that if I could tolerate the ungraded action, I would seriously still consider the CP5. Money no object, there'd be one in my living room right now. I'm sure it feels like a dream otherwise and the sounds of the EPs and APs are just crazy good. In fact, I think the CP50 is actually a good board for certain folks. Unless you're a serious classical player learning some Debussy, you probably won't miss the sostenuto. There would be some need for workarounds, but I would strongly encourage folks to go and play this before making your final decision. You just might like it.