Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings

Posted by: TADutchman

Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/02/10 05:44 AM

If you are a KAWAI CA93/CA63 owner and would like to talk about your favourite settings, you can do it here (in case you have already shared some relevant info before somewhere else and/or at this forum, please make a reference or briefly repeat it here).

Happy to hear your experiences while exploring the full potential of your CA93/CA63! whistle

By the way, here you can find an in-depth review of the KAWAI CA93:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1492875.html#Post1493614

I'd like to perform the kick-off of this thread with my newly developed dual voice preset with tone colours mainly suitable for smooth but expressive pop music soloing (not for cutting through a heavy mix), with thanks to wower for testdriving: cool


SHIMMERING PIANO

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 6 + Modern Piano, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +1, mid -2, high -4

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: light

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Stage

Optional, for a love or hate spacey experience you could add:
Effects: Delay 2, time 1, depth 5



UPDATE: below you can find a direct link to the list generated by ripe_md containing all of my dual voice presets:
Kawai CA93/CA63 Custom Dual Voice Mode Presets Lists
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/02/10 07:04 AM

My Ca-63 will be delivered to me in the next few days so I will be very happy if other people share their settings too smile I will contribute as well. I will really appreciate settings favoring Chopin piano music - mellow and woody tone.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/03/10 10:16 AM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
I will really appreciate settings favoring Chopin piano music - mellow and woody tone.

I will see what I can do (or maybe somebody else will beat me to the punch). Anyway, listening to some vintage Chopin recordings could give the necessary inspiration wink
Posted by: AndyT

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/03/10 11:03 AM

Most of the time I just use it on the default settings, Concert grand 1, volume about 3 quarters. With or without headphones.
Posted by: theJourney

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/03/10 03:22 PM

Originally Posted By: AndyT
Most of the time I just use it on the default settings, Concert grand 1, volume about 3 quarters. With or without headphones.


That's one of the best recommendations for the Kawai I have heard yet.
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/03/10 03:30 PM

My CA63 has arrived today and I am about to write a post with my first impressions but what I immediately realized was that the keyboard response was somehow too sensitive and fortissimos could be obtained way too easily. I was a little bit disappointed but I opened the manual and changed the touch response to "Heavy" and voila! It's so sweet and so realistic at "Heavy"! I have tried few times to switch back to "Normal" thinking it could be my touch is too rude but no, it's not working that way.

So far that's my hot recommendation - use "Heavy" touch!
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/04/10 12:33 PM

I think the sound of piano it is a question of taste, but this thread is a very good idea to share the experience of the CA63 owners.

I have my DP only 1 month ago and I have not spent too much time to reach the sound that I like. I have also tried the demo of Pianoteq: it's another very good tool to ajust the sound, effects, and playability of the piano.

here are my settings, but I will search more combination to find what I really like:

with headphones (I'm using AKG K701 - few hours of utilisation):
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Concert Grand 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid +1, high 0
1 - 5 Phones volume: high

Master Volume set to 2/3.

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 8
2 - 3 String resonance: 8
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal

Reverb: Room 2


with speakers:
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Concert Grand 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +1, mid +3, high +1
1 - 4 Speakers volume: high

Master Volume set to 2/3.

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 8
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: normal

Reverb: stage

Sorry, the english is not my best...
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/05/10 03:52 AM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
I will really appreciate settings favoring Chopin piano music - mellow and woody tone.


Okay CyberGene, then try these ones: (and tweak the tone control to your own taste/speaker-system/headphones)


TWO CHOPIN PIANO's

Single Voice: Concert Grand or Concert Grand 2

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid -4, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: heavy / heavy+ (in case of Concert Grand 2)

Reverb: Hall 1
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/20/10 03:06 AM

Howdy folks, this one is really a lot of fun because of it's lively dynamics and not so subtle imperfections:


WESTERN SALOON (CA93 only)

Dual Voice: Rock Piano, volume 5 + Honky Tonk, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid -3, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 8
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Room2

Effects: Chorus, time 1, depth 1
Posted by: Qbert

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/20/10 04:13 AM

Originally Posted By: theJourney
Originally Posted By: AndyT
Most of the time I just use it on the default settings, Concert grand 1, volume about 3 quarters. With or without headphones.


That's one of the best recommendations for the Kawai I have heard yet.


+2
grin
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/20/10 04:31 AM

Since the volume on the piano is represented by 10 sections with lines from 0 to 10, 3/4 would correspond to 7.5 which in my opinion is too loud smile I also use it with the default settings, Concert Grand 1, but with heavy touch and volume at 6. I played yesterday a little and realized something was quite unrealistic about the piano. Then I discovered it was the volume slider which was mistakenly put at 6.5 instead of 6. Even a degree of 0.5 makes such a difference to me! This should depend on the room acoustics as well. But you should really spend time determining the right volume with a great precision because that can be determinative factor for realism.
Posted by: Upright

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/20/10 07:25 AM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
Since the volume on the piano is represented by 10 sections with lines from 0 to 10, 3/4 would correspond to 7.5 which in my opinion is too loud smile I also use it with the default settings, Concert Grand 1, but with heavy touch and volume at 6. I played yesterday a little and realized something was quite unrealistic about the piano. Then I discovered it was the volume slider which was mistakenly put at 6.5 instead of 6. Even a degree of 0.5 makes such a difference to me! This should depend on the room acoustics as well. But you should really spend time determining the right volume with a great precision because that can be determinative factor for realism.

That's an interestiong perception and explains the findings of spanishbuddha for the CN33 in this post. And perhaps this is the reason, why Andree did not like the CA63 first in the shop (see Impressions of the Kawai CA63) but is enthusiastic at home after he bought the piano (see Impressions "nr 2" of the Kawai CA63).

If someone is shy to play the piano in the shop at adequate volume, it may not sound good.
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/20/10 12:09 PM

I can't recognize any differences in sound representation regardless of what volume I play. I use it with loudspeaker on from 2 to about 5, depending on daytime, with headphones it's steadily at about 4 (with Beyerdynamic DT770pro).
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/21/10 02:47 PM

Hi Mucci,

If I recall correctly, you are interested in spicing up the standard E-piano sounds. Maybe you've already found some great settings. Anyway, here's a resonant example (hit some bass notes and maybe the furniture will 'sing' along):


INVOLVING E-PIANO

Dual Voice: Classic E-piano, volume 5 + Modern E-piano 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: loudness

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: light

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Chorus, rate 4, depth 5
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/29/10 07:03 AM

Recently, I was listening to an acoustic piano recording @ Classic FM radio and with this big and dynamic sounding patch I was able to blend in my live playing surprisingly well.

So, according to my ears, here's a candidate for really blowing the factory standard user memory out of the water (i.e. the settings when you switch on your CA93/CA63, which can be changed). Any feedback or suggestions are welcome, after testdriving I mean. wink


BRILLIANT CLASSICAL PIANO R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 5 + Studio Grand, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +4, mid 0, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage / Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 3, depth 2


// see below for updated version(s)
Posted by: AndyT

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/29/10 10:51 AM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene

So far that's my hot recommendation - use "Heavy" touch!


I tried this, but I prefer Normal. But then, I have no experience with playing 'real' pianos and so I don't have a piano to compare it to. However, when I had a play on my folks' upright Bluthner I had no problems switching.

Originally Posted By: mucci
I can't recognize any differences in sound representation regardless of what volume I play. I use it with loudspeaker on from 2 to about 5, depending on daytime, with headphones it's steadily at about 4 (with Beyerdynamic DT770pro).


I do feel the keys vibrating if the volume is quite loud, which is a nice feeling. Whether it is realistic or not, I don't know :o).

Andy T
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/30/10 04:05 AM

Originally Posted By: AndyT
Originally Posted By: mucci
I can't recognize any differences in sound representation regardless of what volume I play. I use it with loudspeaker on from 2 to about 5, depending on daytime, with headphones it's steadily at about 4 (with Beyerdynamic DT770pro).


I do feel the keys vibrating if the volume is quite loud, which is a nice feeling. Whether it is realistic or not, I don't know :o).

Andy T


Yes, that's indeed realistic. I like it very much too. It's not a different sound though.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/30/10 04:09 PM

Let's do something else: why not mix a grand with an E-piano? Kind of tricky to 'pull it off' (string wise), but this combination seems to morph just fine...


DREAMY TREMOLO HYBRID

Dual Voice: Studio Grand, volume 5 + Modern E-piano, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid 0, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Tremolo, rate 6, depth 6
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/01/10 08:48 AM

TADutchman, thanks a lot for providing us with your custom settings! I like all of them very much, and have saved them as a patch. Keep up the excellent work!

BTW, the sound I play almost all the time is a blend of CA63 (simple Concert Grand with hall 2) and Pianoteq Player using my Netbook. This sounds so realistic and sweet with all the resonances, and with a realistic basic sound signature (unlike the native Pianoteq basic sound signature which is quite thin). That way the best of two worlds (great sounding piano sample from CA63 and superb piano resonances from Pianoteq) combines to a unique piano sound experience on a DP.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/01/10 10:39 AM

Originally Posted By: mucci
TADutchman, thanks a lot for providing us with your custom settings! I like all of them very much, and have saved them as a patch. Keep up the excellent work!
Thanks for your feedback, mucci.

Just wondering, are you mainly playing your CA63 with headphones? I'm guessing because combining a piano patch with the long (RT60) Hall 2 reverb doesn't normally yield the most direct 'acoustic like' experience over loudspeakers from a player's perspective...
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/02/10 02:13 AM

I'm playing mostly through headphones (I'm an "afterwork evening player"). But even through loudspeakers the setting is fine, I then just turn off the reverb completely on the CA63, the Pianoteq reverb is sufficient then.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/02/10 04:08 AM

This patch could be quite comfortable for quick live demonstrations, because matching timbre variations are possible by simply changing the layered voice.


EASY GRAND SLAM

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 5 + Concert Grand 2 / Mellow Grand / Studio Grand / Pop Piano / Modern Piano / Rock Piano

1. Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid -3, high -5

2. Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

Reverb: Hall 1 / Stage
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/05/10 10:48 AM

About improving the factory user memory settings:
Thanks a lot for your on/off-line feedback and suggestions on the 'BRILLIANT CLASSICAL PIANO R1.0' patch, guys! smile

After some further finetuning, my wife also had a close listen. That could be considered an essential quality assurance step, with her very critical ear for anything classical. cool
@KAWAI James: the only issue found is that there's some nasty phasing going on at the lowest note A (not hitting that one frequently though). Another remark is that damper and string resonance seem to be weaker at setting 10 than at setting 9 when using dual voice. Some minor firmware tweaking could probably solve that (or is it just perception? Please verify).


BRILLIANT CLASSICAL PIANO R2.0 - optimized for live playing (EQ and reverb can be adjusted for use with specific headphones)

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 5 + Studio Grand, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid 0, high +6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 9
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 2, time 3, depth 2


Now, I'm even more convinced of the classical qualities of this second release: Piano resonances are more pronounced and dynamic timbre changes are just incredible. wow
@Mucci: personal preferences left aside (e.g. huge reverb), I would be really surprised if you could approach this level of timbre and sheer sound quality with a combination of the standard factory user memory and pianoteq (but please prove me wrong in a side by side comparison). By the way, I've tested pianoteq a while ago, so I know quite well what it sounds like separate from a DP whistle
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/05/10 12:31 PM

TADutchman, thanks for the new release! smile I'll check it when I'm back home! I would love to prove you're right that this is even better than V1.0! It'll then get a special place on my register! Maybe this can even improve the Pianoteq layer sound, let's try...
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/06/10 02:47 AM

I tested the new release 2.0 of your custom setting Yesterday - well it's not that much different to the first one, but still it's great and provides lots of variations in your playing. I'll keep it!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/06/10 03:09 AM

Originally Posted By: mucci
...provides lots of variations in your playing. I'll keep it!

Expanding dynamic range + richer variation of tone colours is what I was looking for, so thanks for the compliment, mucci. smile

General note: so far, I could not check any tonal differences with a CA63 myself. Live experiences may vary between CA63 and CA93, because of technical differences in the speaker-system, sample signature is identical though. Using similar headphones (excellent Sennheiser HD595 in my case) should at least yield a similar soundstage. Nevertheless, a CA93 sounds superior live compared to any pair of headphones I have auditioned until now (would be nice to try an HD800 though).
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/06/10 03:49 AM

I still think the main piano sound is the most realistic approach to a real grand piano (if you have to use only the CA63 and not external software). Maybe it depends on what people are looking for and whether they have played extensively on acoustic pianos. I find most of the combinations here interesting and a fun to play for few minutes but whenever I need to just enjoy playing Chopin, Debussy (even Bach whose music is not that demanding in regards to the sound) I prefer the main Concert Grand with no tweaks at all, except for heavy touch (and Hall 2 reverb if on headphones).

That doesn't mean I don't appreciate what you've done TADutchman smile Congratulations on the good work!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/06/10 04:33 AM

Thanks for your comments, CyberGene. smile
Indeed, it's all about people's preferences and past experiences. Some of the combinations here are even geared towards what some latest generation Yamaha or Roland owners may find very attractive in a piano sound signature, and in some cases may even exceed that. This is possible because of the exceptional tweakability of the CA93/CA63, but most of us did buy a Kawai for the excellent acoustic like action and involving Concert Grand sound signature, right? cool
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/08/10 04:35 AM

Oh yeah, give me that big fat funky bass, mamma! smokin


FUNKY GROWL SOLOING

Dual Voice: Classic E-piano, volume 5 + Clavi, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +6, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: light+

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: Chorus, rate 1, depth 10
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/11/10 06:24 PM

Here's a slight tone control tweak to my previous user memory setting BRILLIANT CLASSICAL PIANO R2.0. By the way, some people only familiar with AP's were visiting yesterday and they were checking whether there really are no real strings inside my CA93, which was quite a funny experience (they needed quite some time to understand and figure it out, still being surprised by the full sound): grin

1. The settings below are for playing live and for using headphones (HD595 in my case) with the same standard user setting, which is quite comfortable in practice! You'd better choose upfront which type of reverb you prefer and store that with the rest of the custom user settings: either the direct player's approach with Stage or the more ambient Hall 2.

2. With this user memory setting, I don't need to make any changes to the Master Volume when switching between playing live and headphones anymore, which again makes life easier. Don't know if this works out the same for the CA63 though and it also depends on your headphones' response of course.

3. For the finishing touch, I moved my CA93 a tiny one inch further away from the wall. This has the noticable positive effect of a surround sound equalizer (in lack of a better word). Reminds me of the expression that photographers tend to use: the difference between a good and a bad picture is just one inch (the effect is less dramatic here though).


BRILLIANT CLASSICAL PIANO R2.1

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 5 + Studio Grand, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid +1, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 9
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage / Hall 2

Effect: Delay 2, time 3, depth 2
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/18/10 03:42 AM

Here's a trick that does work with E-piano (and maybe more, not sure yet about acoustic piano voices): layering the same voice with slightly different layer dynamics keeps the timbre the same while getting a fatter and more dynamic sound experience:


WARM RHODES OVERDRIVE

Dual Voice: Classic E-piano, volume 5 + Classic E-piano, volume 5 (this is no typo)

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -1, mid +6, high -3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 5 Touch: light+

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Chorus, rate 1, depth 10
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/18/10 03:45 AM

Interesting! I never thought to try layering the same sound ontop of itself.

I'll have to give that a try.

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: Andree

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/19/10 07:48 AM

TADutchman; The presets you have posted are good. I have tested a lot of them and I'm very surprised that it is possible to create so many different sounds. I also have to say, the CA93/63 is the best digital piano I have ever played on. I'm very satisfied.

/Andrée
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/19/10 11:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Andree
I have tested a lot of them and I'm very surprised that it is possible to create so many different sounds.

Glad you like it! Tweakability of the CA93/CA63 is (unexpectedly) excellent and there's so much more to explore. Other contributions are welcome as well thumb

Apparantly, I'm running out of preset space: USB load/save preset or bank functionality would be a nice addition to the firmware, also for file sharing here... whistle
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/24/10 02:09 AM

What happens when you mix a piano with the essence of guitar, organ and synth choir? This moving patch sounds incredibly wide! wow


HEAVENLY NEW AGE (CA93 only)

Dual Voice: New Age Piano 3, volume 5 + New Age Piano 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: treble boost

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: light

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: none
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/27/10 03:19 PM

Here's an undocumented trick, assuming that every Kawai CA93/CA63 has a built-in compressor/limiter (with no exposed parameters). cool

Spice up your factory standard piano sound by applying the Equalizer-function as follows:

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +x, mid +x, high +x

Starting with x=6 you can boost overall levels and make your piano sing: its timbre becomes warmer by way of saturation. yippie

If that's too much, especially when not using 'heavy touch', just lower the value of x until you're satisfied with the results...

This trick may even help to improve the quality of your MP3 recordings!

Have fun! smile
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/03/10 03:08 AM

"Not as tinny as Yamaha, not as muffled as Roland" cool smirk whistle
"Many pianissimo tone colours possible"


BRILLIANT CLASSICAL PIANO R2.2

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 5 + Studio Grand, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid +1, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 8
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 2, time 3, depth 2
Posted by: Victor25

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/03/10 03:12 AM

Lol this is excellent, I'm definetly gonna try this when I get home!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/04/10 02:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Victor25
Lol this is excellent, I'm definetly gonna try this when I get home!
I hope you like it, Victor25!
If not, here's something completely different: wink


BRIGHT CONCERT HALL GRAND R1.0

Dual Voice: Studio Grand, volume 5 + Concert Grand, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low 0, mid -1, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: none
Posted by: theJourney

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/04/10 02:58 AM

I must say that I am thoroughly enjoying this thread and have the strange urge to print the thing out and spend the half day that it takes to trudge my way all the way to a Kawai dealer who will only have the CA63 if anything in stock to actually try some of these out.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/04/10 05:33 AM

Gosh, that almost sounds like a compliment. wink

James
x
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/04/10 10:35 AM

Originally Posted By: theJourney
I must say that I am thoroughly enjoying this thread and have the strange urge to print the thing out and spend the half day that it takes to trudge my way all the way to a Kawai dealer
@theJourney: you apparantly have the guts to say that you like this thread. wink Now, what about the next step: if you would just order a CA93/CA63 then you could help us out by developing some professional presets, as there's a heck of a lot more ground to cover. cool

@KawaiJames: I'm currently living from half compliments, or more in general any kind of feedback, as Kawai isn't paying me anything (so far) for improving and expanding upon the factory presets, you know? grin wink
Posted by: Gorm Laben

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/04/10 10:44 AM

Dutchman: I should be getting a CA63 delivered within the next few days. I'll be happy to play around with the included Technician to hear what can be heard.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/04/10 10:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Steve Deutsch
I'll be happy to play around with the included Technician to hear what can be heard.
@SteveDeutsch: congratulations, that's the spirit!
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/04/10 03:37 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
@SteveDeutsch: congratulations, that's the spirit!


Hi TADutchman,

I'm using your BRILLIANT CLASSICAL PIANO R2.2 settings with following small diferences (it take a special place in the Registration Memory pad wink

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 6 + Studio Grand, volume 4

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 9
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8

Reverb: Hall 1

These settings are very good for my taste and I play with and without headphones.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/04/10 04:16 PM

Hi Pinipon,

I just tried your slight adaptation of the R2.2 settings: this is a welcome variation. You've got it too, good ears! This is how it works. cool
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/05/10 05:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Pinipon
These settings are very good for my taste and I play with and without headphones.

That reminds me of what I do for developing presets: I tend to listen with my CA93 live at about 4.8 volume and interchangeably with my HD595 at the same master volume. Of course, there can be a slight perception difference, as you use a combination of CA63 and AKG K701.
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/05/10 06:45 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Originally Posted By: Pinipon
These settings are very good for my taste and I play with and without headphones.

That's reminds me of what I do for developing presets: I tend to listen with my CA93 live at about 4.8 volume and interchangeably with my HD595 at the same master volume. Of course, there can be a slight perception difference, as you use a combination of CA63 and AKG K701.


I played with master volume of 6.0 (to 6.5), but now I use the same master volume of you (4.5 to 4.8) since I play with your settings. Maybe it is because of the layered sounds...
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/06/10 03:48 AM

Some major advantages of using the CA93/CA63's dual voice mode: smile
+ More authentic piano and other state-of-the-art timbres possible.
+ By using a natural sounding combination of EQ Tone control, Dynamic Layering and Voicing (Hammer Hardness), dynamic range and complexity of tone/decay can be vastly expanded.
+ Exploring the whole sample pool of 80/60 sounds becomes attractive, by layering sounds you would never use standalone.
+ Up to 3dB(/6dB?) improvement of 'pre-amp' signal-to-noise ratio.
+ No detectable difference in polyphony compared to single voice mode.
+ This is a unique major feature if combined with the CA93/CA63's coherent UPHI sample quality: other console type digital pianos simply cannot do it!
+ ...

Some minor disadvantages of using layered sounds: frown
- Harder to develop and set-up than a single layer preset.
- Changing one sound on the fly leads to unpredictable results.
- Incompatibility: not all variety of (piano) sounds can be layered successfully (some combinations yield phasing issues).
- Some acoustic Piano's don't sound right yet when layered ontop of itself with different Layer Dynamics (Electric Piano's do). A simple delay, i.e. a single millisecond(s) flatter echo, would help; different layer volumes already can do the trick now. It seems like firmware v1.07 already has improved behaviour.
- ...

Some general remarks/feature requests related to custom settings: cool
* Currently, only 8+1 presets can be stored in memory.
* No USB loading/saving presets functionality available (yet).
* Would love to see a 4-band full parametric EQ or if that's impossible because of CPU limitations, add mid freq operating range control to the 3-band EQ.
* Expose more hardware related parameters in the Virtual Technician, including full ADSR control per layer!
* Add Trigger Delay, Stereo Pan, Layer Transition [Midi note dependent] and Detune options for Dual Sounds, further enhancing the Unique Selling Point of dynamic layering!!!
* ...
help wink
Posted by: Theodore Slutz

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/06/10 09:48 AM

I assume all these setting will work on my CA61?
Posted by: Victor25

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/06/10 09:55 AM

Hmm tried it, but on the higher notes, you get that weird unison sound, very weird.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/07/10 03:41 AM

Before purchasing my CA93, I actually considered buying a CA111, partly because of its beautiful appearance. In the music store, I have 1:1 compared the action and sample quality of the CA63 and CA111 (I cannot directly relate to the CA61, although I guess that the basic sound signature is similar). Surprisingly for me at that time, the CA63 outperformed the CA111 by far, although the speaker system of the CA63 obviously is much weaker. The CA93/CA63 is much tighter, crispy and more coherent. Also the new action and ivory feel add to the experience. In combination with the Virtual Technician this makes that for the CA93/CA63 the whole is more than the sum of its parts. Nevertheless, connectivity of the CA111 is excellent and owners could plug-in (multiple instances of) a virtual instrument anytime they want to...

Also based on your experiences, I'm sorry to conclude that this thread, especially in case of layered piano sounds, is less relevant for previous generation Kawai DP owners. So, at least the title appears to be correct. wink

See also my comments towards dewster on the (lack of) competition:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1492518/NORD%20PIANO.html#Post1492348
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/07/10 09:02 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman

Some general remarks/feature requests related to custom settings: cool
* Currently, only 8+1 presets can be stored in memory.
* No USB loading/saving presets functionality available (yet).


yeah... 8 memories are definitively not enough. It would be great if the new firmware allow USB loading/saving settings.

Originally Posted By: TADutchman

* Would love to see a 4-band full parametric EQ or if that's impossible because of CPU limitations, add mid freq operating range control to the 3-band EQ.
* Expose more hardware related parameters in the Virtual Technician!
* ...
help wink


* be possible to adjust the touch curve "manually", not by the current "teaching" process.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/11/10 03:52 AM

@Everyone, here's an analogy with Photoshop High Dynamic Range Tone Mapping of Layers, visualising the principle of successful layering and ultra dynamic timbre matching of dual CA93/CA63 piano voices:

http://photoshoptutorials.ws/photoshop-t...-photoshop.html

Sonic reality is much more complex than taking a few pictures, of course. whistle
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/12/10 04:35 PM

Here's a quote from an old SOS article that inspired me to start experimenting with layering CA93/CA63 piano sounds in the first place:

"The secret — and it's an important one — lies in the combination of two sounds that are similar enough to be indistinguishable within the composite, but different enough to create a sound that is more interesting than either of the components in isolation."

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Jan03/articles/synthsecrets0103.asp


Now, let's get back to the core business of this thread: wink

Oh boy, this patch sounds really old. There are some very complex resonances going on and when you hit the keys hard, they don't seem to cooperate very well.


GOOD OLD VINTAGE GRAND R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Studio Grand, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low 2, mid -2, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: none
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/14/10 02:22 AM

My wife just loves to play this huge sounding church organ preset. The wooden/ivory touch keys and CA93 Soundboard really shine here! cool wow

Would anybody happen to know/have an affordable Midi Bass Pedal for us, because currently she insists that I play the pounding bassline on the lower part of the keyboard for her: shocked sick


HEAVY PROTESTANT CHURCH ORGAN R1.0

Dual Voice: Full Ensemble, volume 5 + Chiffy Tibia, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 5 Touch: off
2 - 6 Temperament: kirnberger

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 9, depth 4
Posted by: theJourney

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/14/10 02:41 AM

LOL. Bach's toccata and Fugue in d minor is fun to play as a duet this way!

You might want to talk to van Kerkwijk in Amstelveen. He still has a home organ trade and might be offered used pedal sets for resale. Roland used to have a couple of relatively cheap midi solutions. You could also contact Hammond in Vianen to see if they have ideas, especially if you want a full size pedal board.

BTW. There will be some great organ concerts in the Westerkerk next week during the Grachtenfestival from the illustrious Jos van der Kooy.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/16/10 11:13 AM

Thanks, the Journey, I'll have a look. By the way, there are many more organ voices available to explore, so that preset mission can take some more time... (somebody could jump into the void here).

But “Life is like a piano... what you get out of it depends on how you play it.” Now this is what I call an outgoing personality: cool


RESONANT CLASSICAL GRAND LIVE R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 5 + Studio Grand, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid +2, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 8
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 3, depth 4
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/17/10 02:39 PM

All that talk about Dual Voice layering: are there no strings attached?
Well, sometimes you may wish that you actually had some more strings attached: grin wink


THE DIFFERENCE IN BETWEEN R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 6 + Harpsichord, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low 0, mid +1, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 8
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: None
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/19/10 01:32 AM

You might wanna check this one out for those catchy, dry and funky short notes: smokin


FAST ATTACK FENDER RHODES R1.0

Dual Voice: Classic E-piano, volume 5 + 60's E.P., volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +5, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright 2
2 - 5 Touch: light+

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Room 1

Effect: Chorus, rate 4, depth 4
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/19/10 03:27 AM

Hmmm...that's sounds interesting - I might have to give that one a try and see how it compares with, well, other instruments. wink

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/19/10 04:39 AM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
...that's sounds interesting - I might have to give that one a try and see how it compares with, well, other instruments. wink
Allright James, would like to hear if you could/needed to finetune it any further after benchmarking. cool
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/21/10 01:31 PM

Rotary1 as a Chorus+Phaser-effect? Perhaps you'd like to make it sound really fat and distorted with this dirty trick: whistle


FAST ATTACK FENDER RHODES R1.1

Dual Voice: Classic E-piano, volume 5 + 60's E.P., volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +5, high -4

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright 2
2 - 5 Touch: light+

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Room 1

Effect: Rotary 1, speed 7
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/25/10 12:14 PM

Here's the pitch to this patch:
I happen to know Matt Stedeford and have owned his Upright Schimmel piano sample collection since 2006 (also check out the theatre performances of his sister in London). By the way, at that time I also paid a visit to the Schimmel Pianoforte factory in Braunschweig.

This time, I was just wondering whether I could replicate his new 127 sample layer Fazioli's dynamic and dark mellow experience (don't care too much for the exaggerated imperfections), including the CA93/CA63's classy string resonance and half-pedalling implementation of course. wink

At the end of the day, I am quite pleased with the first complex sounding results, albeit forte playing seems to have a more Schimmel Upright than a Fazioli Grand like character (additional tweaking is possible, of course). For now, let's wait and see what the singer/songwriters have to say about that! grincool


WARM & FUZZY FAZIOLI R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: bass boost

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 8
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 2
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/27/10 01:37 AM

YES, after a little tweaking and testing, this definitely is a really big, dynamic and mellow sounding GRAND now!!! coolwow Thanks, Matt. thumb


WARM & FUZZY FAZIOLI R2.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid 0, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 8
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 5

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 2
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/28/10 02:42 AM

In case you are in need of some Analog highpass-resonance for fast soloing: smokin


MONOSYNTH FUNKY STUFF R1.0

Dual Voice: Clavi, volume 6 + Be3, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: loudness

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: light+

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: Rotary 1, speed 4
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/29/10 03:59 AM

Your Kawai doesn't have a Wurlitzer Electric Piano sound, right?...... W R O N G ! shocked yippie


WURLITZER E-PIANO - RARE MODEL R1.0

Dual Voice: Classic E-piano, volume 6 + Classic E-piano, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid +6, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright1
2 - 5 Touch: light+

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +2
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: Tremolo, speed 8, depth 10
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/29/10 04:57 AM

Cool idea to layer to Wurly sounds like that. wink

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/30/10 10:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Cool idea to layer to Wurly sounds like that. wink
Thanks, James! That Wurlitzer could work on some previous/next generation Kawai's too. wink

Switching back to the Grand department now: some small piano harmonics related optimisations after intensive playing are given below. You guys may have some alternative tweaks/preferences, also depending on your gear and ears. cool

Time for a Pinipon (or other) variation perhaps? wink


WARM & FUZZY FAZIOLI R2.1

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +4, mid +1, high -2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 7
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 5

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 3
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/30/10 11:35 AM

Man, you are a machine! thumb

For my shame, I just switch the instrument on and play with the default piano sound ever since I bought it. I am sorry I couldn't contribute to this thread as I have promised at the beginning blush But that main piano sound is SOOOO great in its simplicity, so inspiring that when I start playing it I forget in the very first seconds there are other sounds and possibilities for layering!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/30/10 11:08 PM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
Man, you are a machine! thumb

Somehow that reminds me of a random preset generator: grin
http://sourceforge.net/projects/vst-preset-gen/

For the rest, don't worry about it. If you're happy without further exploring your CA63, then that's just fine with me. cool
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/01/10 03:26 AM

...nevertheless, after just having installed the new firmware v1.07, why not tease CyberGene and others, who don't use custom presets yet, a little: wink

This time, I managed to successfully (without any sonic artifacts) layer the original Kawai Concert Grand sample material on top of itself: the first results are tempting, check it out! cool ha

Please supply me with your feedback, because a Shigeru Kawai preset just has to be perfect! help smile (if you want to share your comments more privately, then you can also send me a PM).


SHIGERU KAWAI CONCERT GRAND R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 7 + Concert Grand, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid +2, high +6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 6
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: none
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/02/10 06:11 PM

Have you seen this thread about Electric Grands? shocked wow
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1231742/KAWAI%20EP-308,%20Yamaha%20CP-70.html

Fascinating, isn't it? If only our CA93/CA63 could do that! cool wink


KAWAI EP-308 ELECTRIC GRAND R1.0

Dual Voice: 60's E.P., volume 5 + Studio Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -3, mid +3, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Chorus: rate 5, depth 2
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/04/10 02:40 AM

Let's call it Extended Ultra Progressive Harmonic Imaging (E-UPHI). smile
' From gentle & intimate pianissimo to thunderous & reverberant fortissimo!!!' shocked grin crazy wink whistle


SHIGERU KAWAI CONCERT GRAND R2.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 7 + Concert Grand, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low 0, mid +1, high -3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 4
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/04/10 07:48 PM

TADutchman, you're doing a very, very good job thumb

I spent some time to try all your settings from the beginning, and here are my favorites:

for acoustic pianos, I really like the following sounds and they take a special place into my registration memories:

- SHIGERU KAWAI CONCERT GRAND R2.0
- my variation of BRILLIANT CLASSICAL PIANO R2.2 (of course wink )
- GOOD OLD VINTAGE GRAND R1.0 => try this one with Mellow Grand volume 6 + Studio Grand volume 4 (I know it is a very subtle difference but it is more dynamic with my playing touch)

for electric sounds:
- KAWAI EP-308 ELECTRIC GRAND R1.0 wow
- FUNKY GROWL SOLOING smokin wink
- INVOLVING E-PIANO
- HEAVY PROTESTANT CHURCH ORGAN R1.0
- DREAMY TREMOLO HYBRID
- MONOSYNTH FUNKY STUFF R1.0

I'm sure we are all waiting for more... smile
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/05/10 11:49 AM

Originally Posted By: Pinipon
TADutchman, you're doing a very, very good job thumb
Thanks a lot for your feedback, Pinipon! You are hereby the first to be promoted to: Kawai CA93/CA63 custom presets reviewer thumb

Other people can also earn this new title by testing all dual voice presets* of this thread (most recent Rx.x release/preset only), listing their favourites and giving their constructive comments. This should take just about one hour to complete now, but the list of presets will keep growing, so you'd better hurry... wink cool

By the way, you do not even have to own a CA93/CA63 yourself; you can also perform this testing at your local Kawai dealer, either by playing live or with a pair of high-end headphones! whistle

*) excluding specific CA93 presets, they are voluntary.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/07/10 03:26 AM

Slightly less boomy obfuscation of the true musical pitch! smile wink


WARM & FUZZY FAZIOLI R2.2

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 7 + Concert Grand 2, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +4, mid +1, high +1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 7
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 3
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/07/10 06:54 PM

nice upgrade thumb
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/07/10 07:18 PM

for who have a good pair of ears and play pieces with many chords and octaves, I have found an interesting feature that can be explored f : the temperament.

Try for example the RESONANT CLASSICAL GRAND LIVE 1.0 of TADutchman with the aditional settings:

2 Virtual Technician
2-6 Temperament: Equal
2-8 Strech Tune: Wide (this option can be used also with the default temperament: Equal (P.only) )

have fun! wink
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/08/10 01:23 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Thanks a lot for your feedback, Pinipon! You are hereby the first to be promoted to: Kawai CA93/CA63 custom presets reviewer thumb

Other people can also earn this new title by testing all dual voice presets* of this thread (most recent Rx.x release/preset only), listing their favourites and giving their constructive comments. This should take just about one hour to complete now, but the list of presets will keep growing, so you'd better hurry... wink cool

By the way, you do not even have to own a CA93/CA63 yourself; you can also perform this testing at your local Kawai dealer, either by playing live or with a pair of high-end headphones! whistle

*) excluding specific CA93 presets, they are voluntary.


Hello to all CA93 and CA63 owners,

Due to the really great work made by TADutchman with the audio/tuning settings, and because we have only 8 memories in the registration bank (which is not enough to me), I had the idea to make a little paper to summarize all the presets with the latest versions. A little introduction/explanation to the instument has also been made.

You have now a short document that is quick to read and use with your fabulous instrument: which is the CA93 /CA63

You can download this paper here:
http://www.attacca.eu/images/settings_CA63_93.pdf

Feel free to give any comment wink
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/08/10 05:21 PM

Wow, nice one Pinipon!

Thanks for putting this together, and of course to TADutchman for his great work in extending the range of sound capable with the CA93/CA63.

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/09/10 03:23 PM

Thanks, guys.

Now, let's continue the Quest for new Harmonics: bells & basses this time! cool yippie


BRUTAL BASS BÖSENDORFER R1.0

Dual Voice: Studio Grand, volume 6 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid +4, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 7
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: light

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 3
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/11/10 03:45 AM

What about an amped non-percussive Electric Grand with warm and smooth sustain? shocked wink


YAMAHA CP70/CP80 ELECTRIC GRAND R1.0 (CA93 only)

Dual Voice: Modern E.P. 3, volume 6 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -6, mid +6, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: light+

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Tremolo: rate 4, depth 4
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/12/10 04:22 PM

About one week ago, I told TheJourney that I would do a Roland HP series and a Yamaha CLP series emulator in order to demonstrate the CA93/CA63's unique tweakability.

Well, here is the Roland version; you might even like it... whistle grin

Keywords: over-processed piano sound, dynamic decay, muffled pianissimo, harsh mid-high freq fortissimo (including duplex scale), sounds best from a distance. wink


ROLAND HP307 EMULATOR R1.0

Dual Voice: Studio Grand, volume 7 + Studio Grand, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid -3, high +5

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 8
2 - 3 String resonance: 8
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 2
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/13/10 03:24 PM

Do you need a drink now or after detuning? confused crazy sick


PUB PIANO SING-A-LONG R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 6 + Mellow Grand, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +1, mid +2, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 6
2 - 3 String resonance: 6
2 - 4 Key off effect: 4
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: none
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/15/10 01:33 AM

...and here is the Yamaha version! whistle

Keywords: dynamic 2008 DP sound with key-off samples, bright attack fortissimo, tinny timbre, close enough for jazz (pop & classical). wink


YAMAHA CLP370/CLP380 EMULATOR R1.0

Dual Voice: Jazz Grand, volume 7 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -3, mid -2, high +1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 5
2 - 3 String resonance: off (CLP370) / 4 (CLP380)
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 2, depth 2
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/15/10 12:24 PM

Improved balance and control of this huge Grand: wow


BRUTAL BASS BÖSENDORFER R2.0

Dual Voice: Studio Grand, volume 6 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid +3, high +4

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 7
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: light

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 5
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/16/10 03:05 AM

I'll be leaving on a business trip for a few days: this is an invitation to post your hints & suggestions in the meantime... smile
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/18/10 07:19 AM

Here are some slight optimisations, the yamaha emulator update will follow shortly...


ROLAND HP307 EMULATOR R1.1

Dual Voice: Studio Grand, volume 7 + Studio Grand, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid -3, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 7
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 3
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/18/10 09:05 AM

...quite some 'bright light' changes this time:


YAMAHA CLP370/CLP380 EMULATOR R2.0

Dual Voice: Jazz Grand, volume 9 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -2, mid -2, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 5
2 - 3 String resonance: off (CLP370) / 4 (CLP380)
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 5

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: none
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/19/10 01:54 AM

Recently, I came across an instrument joke. Just can't resist to post it here:

How do you tell the difference between a violinist and a dog?
The dog knows when to stop scratching.
grin


HOLLYWOOD STRINGS R1.0

Dual Voice: Soft Orchestra, volume 4 + Soft Orchestra, volume 6

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high -2
1 - 8 Damper hold: On

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 4, depth 3
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/21/10 12:48 PM

Let's get serious again: I've found a way to add some lively cross resonance to and blend in a whole series of other complex harmonics with the factory Mellow Grand sound. Now it really sings! cool smile wow


STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R1.0 (CA93 only)

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 9 + Finger Nylon Gt, volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low 0, mid -2, high +1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open-lid) / mellow1 (half closed-lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 3

Posted by: Arnoh

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/23/10 03:29 AM

Is it possible to utilize an external media to load/save custom settings, e.g. USB stick, or do I have to program every setting manually?
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/23/10 04:39 AM

Originally Posted By: Arnoh
Is it possible to utilize an external media to load/save custom settings, e.g. USB stick, or do I have to program every setting manually?

Hi Arnoh, good question. smile

USB stick loading/saving of custom settings is a firmware request I made a few Months ago for the CA93/CA63: I've seen last week that such functionality will be available in the upcoming MP10/MP6. I expect that Kawai will also include this feature in a future CA93/CA63 firmware update (v1.08 perhaps?). whistle

In the meantime, the CA93/CA63 do offer 1 user memory (which boots after power on) and 8 panel registration memories, so a total of 9 custom settings can already now be manually set-up once and stored permanently. This will typically take 1-2 minutes/setting (after having checked the user manual)...
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/23/10 02:43 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
USB stick loading/saving of custom settings is a firmware request I made a few Months ago for the CA93/CA63: I've seen last week that such functionality will be available in the upcoming MP10/MP6. I expect that Kawai will also include this feature in a future CA93/CA63 firmware update (v1.08 perhaps?). whistle


+1 cry
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/24/10 07:05 AM

Remember Elton John's bright grand piano for playing pop ballads live? wink


RED PIANO - IN CONCERT R1.0

Dual Voice: Studio Grand, volume 6 + Pop Piano, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -6, mid -4, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 7
2 - 3 String resonance: 7
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 5
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/25/10 08:34 PM

just tried the BRUTAL BASS BÖSENDORFER R2.0 for 2 hours, with some adjustments for my taste and playing touch: I have to say shocked wow

PUB PIANO SING-A-LONG R1.0 nice preset thumb

TADutchman, I've never tried the parameter "3 - 3 Layer octave" before your latests presets: great work. Combining with the layering technique, this feature improves further more the sound capabilities of the instrument...

I'm trying to play the STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R1.0 in my CA63 but I don't have the Finger Nylon Gt sound. Which of this is the more closer: Finger Bass or Pick Nylon Gt confused
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/26/10 01:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Pinipon
just tried the BRUTAL BASS BÖSENDORFER R2.0 for 2 hours, with some adjustments for my taste and playing touch: I have to say shocked wow

Great to hear! Just out of curiosity, could you show us the Pinipon variation? wink


Originally Posted By: Pinipon

I'm trying to play the STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R1.0 in my CA63 but I don't have the Finger Nylon Gt sound. Which of this is the more closer: Finger Bass or Pick Nylon Gt confused

Okay, let's clarify things a little: the Finger Bass is not really an option i.m.h.o., as it leads to clearly audible layering artifacts in the higher registers. Applying the Pick Nylon Gt leads to a more spacey sound (slightly less/more natural?); many people may actually like it. Another option is layering the Wood Bass, which makes the attack heavier and eh... woodier. smile

Basically, those were the reasons to finally select the Finger Nylon Gt; quite deceptively this doesn't seem to change the Mellow Grand's timbre, but it does increase playability in a Pianoteq kind of way, especially by making complex chords sound really alive and kicking! cool
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/26/10 05:47 AM

Here's a special update for everyone. In the process, why not make those resonant high notes and complex chords sound even more 'expensive Acoustic Grand'-like by way of some extra stretch tuning? whistle


STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R2.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 9 + Finger Nylon Gt (CA93 only) / Pick Nylon Gt (CA63/CA93), volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +1, mid -2, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open-lid) / mellow 1 (half open-lid) / mellow 2 (closed-lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage / Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 3
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/27/10 05:30 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Originally Posted By: Pinipon
just tried the BRUTAL BASS BÖSENDORFER R2.0 for 2 hours, with some adjustments for my taste and playing touch: I have to say shocked wow

Great to hear! Just out of curiosity, could you show us the Pinipon variation? wink


I like very much your setting but because pp are more difficult to play, and to make the sound not so bright and "clean" (due to light touch) I have made my own setting with the following changes:

Studio Grand, volume 5 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 5

1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, high +2

2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 3 String resonance: 6
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9

3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

I don't know if I'm going far away from a BÖSENDORFER sound with that preset (I've played a BÖSENDORFER Grand long time ago: but it was a very good and unforgettable experience)

please try and give me your feedback.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/28/10 05:01 PM

Thanks for sharing! cool
There are a number of good ideas in your variation, but I'm not sure how to take into account perception of audio differences between CA63 + AKG K701 vs. CA93 + Sennheiser HD595 (brightness, bass, etc.).... layer dynamics 9 and normal voicing seems to be somewhat better for my set-up in this case.

Nevertheless, this made me have another go at retaining that mighty 'harmonic bell sound' of a Bösendorfer, while making pianissimo playing just a little easier at the same time. Does this work for you too?


BRUTAL BASS BÖSENDORFER R2.1

Dual Voice: Studio Grand, volume 5 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +4, mid +3, high +1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 7
2 - 3 String resonance: 7
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: light

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 3
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/28/10 05:27 PM

I've just read your post and played only few minutes to say: yeaaaaah, now we have a really built-in BÖSENDORFER in our DP laugh ha

I love this release R2.1!!! Thanks TADutchman thumb
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/30/10 05:11 PM

Do you have the character and attitude? cool wink


I WANNA BE A POPSTAR BABY GRAND R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 8 + Rock Piano, volume 2

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -6, mid -3, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 4
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 4
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Stage

Effect: none
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/02/10 04:07 AM

Today, let's cut through the contemporary mix! shocked sick grin


DRY POP PIANO R1.0

Dual Voice: Pop Piano 2, volume 7 + Modern Piano, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -2, mid +2, high -1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 4
2 - 3 String resonance: 6
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Off

Effect: none
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/03/10 02:30 PM

Ready for some swingin' Jazzband comping? crazy cool


BLUE NOTE FESTIVAL GRAND R1.0

Dual Voice: Jazz Grand, volume 9 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -1, mid +2, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 4
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 5

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 1
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/04/10 12:07 AM

Sometimes there's a need for something less sophisticated, less expensive; let's call it an 'excentric personality'! eek grin


TWANGY GRAND R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand 2, volume 7 + Studio Grand 2, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +1, mid -2, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: none
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/04/10 01:09 AM

Nothing wrong with a subtle and clean filter sweep once in a while, right? cry wink


AMPED SYNTH LEAD R1.0

Dual Voice: Pick Nylon Gt, volume 2 + 60's E.P., volume 8

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -6, mid +6, high +1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: light+

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 2, time 5, depth 5
Posted by: Gorm Laben

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/04/10 01:02 PM

Holy Cow.

BRUTAL BASS BÖSENDORFER R2.1

This one is phenomenal. Thanks so much!

Steve
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/04/10 05:36 PM

A very simple preset generator in MS-Excel format for CA63/93 owners is available here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?xbz2f396ylr398g

- F9 to generate a preset
- min/max values are editable

I you need help, please send me a PM.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/05/10 03:10 AM

This is pretty cool, nice job! wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/05/10 03:34 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Originally Posted By: CyberGene
Man, you are a machine! thumb

Somehow that reminds me of a random preset generator: grin
http://sourceforge.net/projects/vst-preset-gen/


Originally Posted By: Pinipon
A very simple preset generator in MS-Excel format for CA63/93 owners is available here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?xbz2f396ylr398g

- F9 to generate a preset
- min/max values are editable

I you need help, please send me a PM.

I've betatested Pinipon's preset generator on my laptop last week and I'm happy to report that it will most certainly lead to new ideas for the CA93/CA63's dual voice mode! smile

It's so much better suited for our Kawai DP than the one I referred to before. Excellent job! thumb (and next to MS Excel it also works with OpenOffice).
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/05/10 06:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Pinipon
I've just read your post and played only few minutes to say: yeaaaaah, now we have a really built-in BÖSENDORFER in our DP laugh ha

I love this release R2.1!!! Thanks TADutchman thumb

Originally Posted By: Steve Deutsch
Holy Cow.

BRUTAL BASS BÖSENDORFER R2.1

This one is phenomenal. Thanks so much!

Steve

Thanks for your feedback, guys! grin cool

And what about a supercharged Steinway: would you mind giving this Big One a try too?


STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R2.1

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 9 + Pick Nylon Gt, volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: Bass boost

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open-lid) / mellow 1 (half open) / mellow 2 (closed)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: light
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Hall 2 / Off

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 5 / Off

Posted by: FishTako

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/05/10 05:23 PM

@TADutchman,

Thanks again for posting all of these. I had a chance to try out both the Bosendorfer R2.1 and the Steinway R2.0 at the store today. These are definite improvements over the stock pianos. I think I may slowly be swayed away from Roland's 307 having tried these settings. smile

One more thing, I noticed an odd glitch(?) when programming these sounds into the user presets, I somehow reached a state where I was locked into dual layer mode with the Choir Ahs. Basically, anytime I pushed a non Choir instrument it would only layer with the Choir. When I pushed the Choir again, it would layer with itself. I was unable to access the function key in this state. The issue resolved itself after I pushed 30 or more different buttons.

Have you encountered this before?
Posted by: Gorm Laben

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/05/10 11:05 PM

well the new steinway is good. My wife likes it better than the Bosie. I think they're both excellent and probably suited to different pieces. Nice work!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/06/10 01:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Steve Deutsch
well the new steinway is good. My wife likes it better than the Bosie. I think they're both excellent and probably suited to different pieces.

YES, that's exactly what I was looking for: offering more diversity for differences in taste! smile cool
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/06/10 01:54 AM

Originally Posted By: FishTako
I had a chance to try out both the Bosendorfer R2.1 and the Steinway R2.0 at the store today. These are definite improvements over the stock pianos. I think I may slowly be swayed away from Roland's 307 having tried these settings. smile

Great to see that you've been digging deeper than most before purchase. thumb
Excellent research, also at the other thread: you're very welcome here! smile


Originally Posted By: FishTako
One more thing, I noticed an odd glitch(?) when programming these sounds into the user presets, I somehow reached a state where I was locked into dual layer mode with the Choir Ahs. Have you encountered this before?

With the previous firmware version I remember having had a similar panel lock-up only once or twice over a period of several Months (maybe caused by accidentally pressing a combination of buttons). I guess they don't have the latest Firmware v1.07 installed at the store yet; just a simple download and USB stick single file transfer to go...
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/07/10 03:57 AM

TADutchman,

this morning I had some time to check out the STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R2.1.

Well, I have to say...




Unbelievable! Marvellous! Singing Piano! New Resonances I never heard before.

No, let's get serious again:





















UNBELIEVABLE!! MARVELLOUS!! SINGING PIANO!!

It's really like a new instrument, a new sample set, whatever. I never knew that it's possible with the virtual technician to create with some fantasy and creativity such new sounds. I can now really imagine why you named this piano Steinway grand devotion, even if it of course doesn't exactly sound like a Steinway.

Unfortunately I have no time to get into more details now, but I will now definitely test all the other patches after testing this eye opener.

Thanks again, TADutchman, for all your efforts! You've done a great job.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/07/10 04:13 AM

Quote:
Thanks again, TADutchman, for all your efforts! You've done a great job.


+100
Posted by: theJourney

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/07/10 04:18 AM

Imagine how impressive a video of TADutchman (or perhaps the Kawai equivalent of Peter Baartmans) would be: showing off his sexily named virtual pianos on the Kawai Europe site rather than another ho hum Sean and Tom show that actually makes the Kawai pianos look and sound bad...

Imagine dealers that are actually trained in the product they sell and that are able to demonstrate and explain it properly in store!
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/07/10 05:11 AM

Well, now it seems I will have to test that Steinway patch shocked
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/07/10 05:54 AM

Welcome back, Mucci & CyberGene! cool

Please note that all of these dual voice settings are free for non-commercial use.


PROFESSIONAL PRESETS DEVELOPMENT FOR KAWAI CA93/CA63
@Kawai James, talking about business: I'm granting KAWAI the right of first refusal for buying and consequently commercially using all of the dual voice presets of this thread (only after purchase), e.g. in one of their upcoming CA93/CA63 firmware updates. whistle
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/07/10 06:32 PM

Just a very short test mp3 file:

http://www.mediafire.com/?vma2ulm6sfrmm33

The file contains a short live demo I played for these settings:

1. The plain pianoteq play patch I use for my layered sound
2. The plain CA63 Concert Grand sound I use for my layered sound
3. My favourite layered sound (1+2)
4. The very nice Steinway patch R2.1 from TADutchman

Feedback on which sound is your favourite one is very much appreciated!
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/07/10 07:12 PM

mucci, thanks for posting the MP3.

To be honest, I like them all, however the layered versions (3 and 4) definitely possess something a little extra...nice long resonances too.

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: NickTokyo

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/10/10 01:07 AM

Hi All! I'm fairly new to this forum has just taken delivery on a Ca-63 last week. Having left my Kawai upright in London (for my tenants...) whilst working in Tokyo for a while I decided I couldn't last any longer without a piano. I must say I am completely amazed by the tone of touch of digital pianos these days and that goes for all the models I tried (Roland, Kawai and Yamaha). Additionally, huge thanks for TADutchman and Pinipon for pulling all these great fun layers together!

Anyhow - the purpose of this post is to ask a question I have already posed to the Kawai international support line but have yet to receive a response. My CA-63 is the Japanese model for which as far as I can tell the only difference is that you have a setting to switch between English and Japanese. However, it has shipped with version 1.06 of the firmware:
1) Does upgrading to 1.07 make any difference - particularly with the 'layering fun'?
2) Does anyone have a clue whether I can use the European or US upgrade patch as the Japanese web site is totally impenetrable - even in Japanese and I can't find the patch on it...

Apologies for the slightly tangential question - and thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Nick
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/10/10 02:08 AM

Hello Nick, welcome to the forum, and congratulations on your new CA63!
week
Quote:
I have already posed to the Kawai international support line but have yet to receive a response.


Okay, I'll chase this up next week.

Quote:
My CA-63 is the Japanese model for which as far as I can tell the only difference is that you have a setting to switch between English and Japanese.


There are a handful of minor differences related to the content and operation of the 'Concert Magic' and 'Lesson' functions, however these are relatively minor. The initial Japanese models also lacks a couple of USB Audio features found on the overseas models, however I believe these were subsequently added with the v1.03 firmware. The Japanese models also lack a couple of USB Audio features found on the overseas models.

Quote:
1) Does upgrading to 1.07 make any difference - particularly with the 'layering fun'?


No, it shouldn't do. The 1.07 updated ironed out a few remaining issues with the string resonance implementation, as well as improving a handful of operations (e.g. remembering the selected sound from each category when switching sounds). However I don't believe software update should influence the layering functionality a great deal, if at all.

Quote:
2) Does anyone have a clue whether I can use the European or US upgrade patch as the Japanese web site is totally impenetrable - even in Japanese and I can't find the patch on it...


I don't believe there should be able problems using the European CA63 software update on a Japanese model as they both share the same hardware. However, it's probably best if I double-check with the engineering chaps on Tuesday (we're off for Taiku no hi tomorrow...) just to make absolutely sure. If there any compatibility issues with using the European firmware, I can always email the latest Japanese firmware to you directly.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,
James
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EDIT: Confirmed the 'missing' USB Audio features on the Japanese CA93/CA63 models.
Posted by: NickTokyo

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/10/10 02:20 AM

James - thanks so much for your very rapid and detailed response! I will wait on the confirmation that it is OK to upgrade... I plan to enjoy a full day of Rachmaninov tomorrow on our Yasumi no hi - although slightly tempted to go window shopping in the Kawai showroom in Omotesando too.
Many many thanks -
Nick
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/10/10 02:48 AM

Hello Nick,

No problem - a pleasure to help.

Enjoy your day of Rachmaninov tomorrow, although I would perhaps suggest saving that rather generous portion of culture for Bunka no hi on November the 3rd. wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: NickTokyo

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/10/10 10:16 AM

Thanks! Unfortunately the way play I Rachmaninov is probably more appropriate for sports day than cultural day. I keep trying though!
Nick
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/11/10 03:01 AM

Originally Posted By: mucci
Just a very short test mp3 file:

http://www.mediafire.com/?vma2ulm6sfrmm33

The file contains a short live demo I played for these settings:

1. The plain pianoteq play patch I use for my layered sound
2. The plain CA63 Concert Grand sound I use for my layered sound
3. My favourite layered sound (1+2)
4. The very nice Steinway patch R2.1 from TADutchman

Feedback on which sound is your favourite one is very much appreciated!

Thanks for your effort, potentially it is a great comparison, but I´m sorry to report that the recording itself doesn´t seem to work that well, as it doesn´t really reflect reality. I noticed that audio quality is much lower than during live playing and differences between custom settings seem to be quite subtle, while in reality there is nothing subtle about the differences between for instance 2. and 4., as you have already discovered for yourself: grin

Originally Posted By: mucci
UNBELIEVABLE!! MARVELLOUS!! SINGING PIANO!!

It's really like a new instrument, a new sample set, whatever. I never knew that it's possible with the virtual technician to create with some fantasy and creativity such new sounds. I can now really imagine why you named this piano Steinway grand devotion, even if it of course doesn't exactly sound like a Steinway.


Is this the (on-purpose?) standard crippling taking place because of the current CA93/CA63 USB-record implementation (I don´t mean mp3 vs wav differences), sounding mediocre compared to the spectacular sounding live recording and playback with the internal CA93/CA63 sequencer? shocked
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/11/10 04:27 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Is this the (on-purpose?) standard crippling taking place because of the current CA93/CA63 USB-record implementation (I don´t mean mp3 vs wav differences), sounding mediocre compared to the spectacular sounding live recording and playback with the internal CA93/CA63 sequencer? shocked


Hmmm...

This recording was the first direct recording with my new Zoom H1 96khz/24bit recording "gadget" via Line-In which usually produces very high quality recordings. And the quality is indeed much better than the standard USB recording, since I can manually set the gain level to an appropriate level. There is no way to do the recording by direct USB since it would only record the internal sound, not the Pianoteq sound.

BTW, I can hear a big difference between 2 and 4... did you check the sound with good headphones?
Posted by: theJourney

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/11/10 05:12 AM

I agree there is a big difference between 2 and 4 and 4 makes me want to go out and try a CA93 with a printout of TADutchman's posts.

The combination between pianoteq and kawai on board sound on the other hand swims a bit too much for me.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/11/10 01:31 PM

Originally Posted By: mucci

Hmmm...

This recording was the first direct recording with my new Zoom H1 96khz/24bit recording "gadget" via Line-In which usually produces very high quality recordings. And the quality is indeed much better than the standard USB recording, since I can manually set the gain level to an appropriate level. There is no way to do the recording by direct USB since it would only record the internal sound, not the Pianoteq sound.

BTW, I can hear a big difference between 2 and 4... did you check the sound with good headphones?

Well, it could be that I have been partly fooled by some less than ideal speakers and headphones mad blush listening in Pulsnitz (Leb/Pfefferkuchenstadt near Dresden), where I have been staying for a few days .
I don´t have any more high-end alternatives at hand, so please hold your horses until I arrive back home this week. whistle


Originally Posted By: theJourney
I agree there is a big difference between 2 and 4 and 4 makes me want to go out and try a CA93 with a printout of TADutchman's posts.
@TheJourney: thanks for giving your feedback in the meantime. cool
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/11/10 04:54 PM

Originally Posted By: theJourney
I agree there is a big difference between 2 and 4 and 4 makes me want to go out and try a CA93 with a printout of TADutchman's posts.

The combination between pianoteq and kawai on board sound on the other hand swims a bit too much for me.


Yes, TADutchmans patches are really refreshingly different and a clear improvement over factory sounds!

You're also right, the Pianoteq/CA63 combi sounds a little muddy when you directly compare it with the Steinway patch. On the other side, you need to modify your playing style to accurately play this combi because of the long decay, and this was not possible during the very short comparison, so this might also be a reason for your finding.

But what's also true is that with the new combi patches the call is much more difficult even for me on which patch to prefer! I think it strongly depends on what kind of music I will play.

Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/12/10 01:45 AM

NickTokyo, while I believe you should already have received a response to your initial overseas support request, it's perhaps best that I also respond to your query in this thread.

After speaking with the R&D chaps, I can confirm that it is perfectly safe to apply the European v1.07 software update (and future updates) on your Japanese CA63.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted by: NickTokyo

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/12/10 07:52 AM

James!
Thanks so much for your super quick and helpful suggestions. All perfectly updated and re-regionalised too! Not only delighted with the instrument now - but the superb service too!
Thanks
Nick
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/12/10 11:13 AM

Hello Nick,

Glad to here that the update/region change was successful.

By the way, if you ever have a chance to take a shot of the CA63 in your home, please do feel free to add the picture to this thread.

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/12/10 03:16 PM

Originally Posted By: mucci
BTW, I can hear a big difference between 2 and 4... did you check the sound with good headphones?

Yes, now I did and indeed the difference is somewhat more pronounced (probably as far as an MP3-encoded file with DAC and ADC conversions can go). Thanks for pinpointing! smile

Still, I would strongly recommend towards Kawai a perfect rendition out of the box with full 32/24-bit WAV USB-record and/or conversion functionality, containing the identical high-end playback quality and volume level (with compression/limiter) of the internal CA93/CA63 track recorder! (essentially having no ADC/DAC/16-bit/no-dithering/MP3/sample rate conversion losses).
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/12/10 05:53 PM

TADutchman, I did a 48khz/24bit recording. No 16bit/dithering whatever. And you can be sure that the MP3 I generated is indistinguishable from the original WAV recording. I tested that on other occasions with double blind tests. If you doubt this I can send you the original WAV file and you can test for yourself. Since the internal USB recording is not a digital recording as Kawai James already stated, it also uses a DAC and ADC step, so also this should not cause any differences.

To sum this up: I'm sure that my (external) recording with my Zoom H1 produces at least the same high quality recording than by using the internal USB-recording (as I said maybe even better due to custom gain control).

BTW the internal track recorder does only record individual MIDI notes, its not an audio recorder. That's a big difference! So when it "plays back" the recording, it is actually producing the original sound again by playing like it would do with an external keyboard that is connected via MIDI-IN.
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/12/10 07:00 PM

TADutchman, you've made another great job: your Steinway "supercharged" 2.1 is really a BIG ONE!! I like the effect for open-lid, half open and closed-lid: is very realistic thumb

the PUB PIANO SING-A-LONG 1.0 smokin could be also called:
WESTERN WOODEN SCOTT JOPLIN PIANO 1.0 laugh ha wink
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/13/10 02:03 AM

Originally Posted By: mucci
To sum this up: I'm sure that my (external) recording with my Zoom H1 produces at least the same high quality recording than by using the internal USB-recording (as I said maybe even better due to custom gain control).

Don't worry, I'm already convinced that your recording is better than the current direct recording to USB implementation. cool


Originally Posted By: mucci
BTW the internal track recorder does only record individual MIDI notes, its not an audio recorder. That's a big difference! So when it "plays back" the recording, it is actually producing the original sound again by playing like it would do with an external keyboard that is connected via MIDI-IN.

Yes, that's how it works. Now, to be more exact, my recommendation towards Kawai is that us users will get functionality to easily make a high-end lossless 32-bit float/24-bit copy without sample rate conversion of the audio playback part, just before it goes through the DAC(s) to the CA93/CA63 speaker-system (a low volume recording with some headroom, using let's say 'only' 22-bit, would still be okay). wink
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/13/10 02:10 AM

Yes, that would e a "nice to have" (but I doubt that Kawai will implement this because of lack of mass interest and it most probably needs some hardware adjustments).

Now I have another question to you, TADutchman: In your great Steinway patch you used "Stretch tuning = wide". What does this do to the sound? I assume that this is also responsible for the remarkable sound of the patch, but I'm not too familiar with especially this setting.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/13/10 02:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Pinipon
TADutchman, you've made another great job: your Steinway "supercharged" 2.1 is really a BIG ONE!! I like the effect for open-lid, half open and closed-lid: is very realistic thumb

Thanks, Pinipon: there are more dual voice settings coming, but presets development has temporarily stopped because of my birthday. grin

Just a little hint to everybody: if you keep the voicing parameter in your active display then you can change 'the lid position' with just one simple button press during live playing! cool
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/13/10 02:25 AM

Originally Posted By: mucci
Yes, that would be a "nice to have" (but I doubt that Kawai will implement this because of lack of mass interest and it most probably needs some hardware adjustments).

Well, we're talking top-of-the-line Kawai DP's here, so I would say for challenging the discussion: either offer a decent USB-recording function (even if it will be 'only' 16-bit contemporary CD-mastering quality) or do not offer one at all. In it's current state it's more like a toy; a my-first-Sony recording which cannot be effectively used to demonstrate the outstanding quality of the CA93/CA63; I thought Kawai was bad at marketing gimmicks? wink
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/13/10 02:48 AM

Originally Posted By: mucci
Now I have another question to you, TADutchman: In your great Steinway patch you used "Stretch tuning = wide". What does this do to the sound? I assume that this is also responsible for the remarkable sound of the patch, but I'm not too familiar with especially this setting.

Okay, here's a reference for explaining the general principles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_tuning

In the specific case of this Steinway patch with a lot of extremely complex resonances, wide stretch tuning is effective in slightly reducing the frequency beating between notes (expressed in Hertz), especially making complex chords sound smoother. It's just the icing on the cake, but yes it certainly does contribute to the remarkable polyphonic sound and excellent playability! smile

Alternatively, for getting an idea of the limitations of wide stretch tuning, you could try the same with for instance the Bösendorfer, having less complex, almost 'additive synthesis'-like resonances (bell-like harmonics) and you'll see that the effect of wide stretch tuning may be negligible or even counter-productive in some cases, yielding a less characterful sound.
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/13/10 03:07 PM

Originally Posted By: mucci
Now I have another question to you, TADutchman: In your great Steinway patch you used "Stretch tuning = wide". What does this do to the sound? I assume that this is also responsible for the remarkable sound of the patch, but I'm not too familiar with especially this setting.


see that link and try:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1448603/3.html#Post1511032

you will notice/hear a really clear difference in pieces with "wide" chords and octaves...
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/15/10 02:34 PM

Let's have some fun and go for a naming Quiz this weekend: who could name this new piano patch spot-on after testing? Some other feedback is welcome too! smile

Here are already a few options: wink
1. Toy Piano R1.0
2. Tweaked AvantGrand R1.0
3. Close Miked KAWAI EX - Surround Reverb R1.0
4. Real Acoustic R1.0
5. Big, Bright & Beautiful R1.0
6. other...
help


NO NAME ASSIGNED (yet) R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 9 + Clavi, volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +2, high -3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: light
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +2
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 5
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/17/10 01:39 AM

Should I perhaps call this update: The Piano Formerly Known As No Name Assigned (Yet)? grin wink I'm sure somebody will have a better idea... whistle


KAWAI EX ADDICTION R1.1

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 9 + Clavi, volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +2, high -3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open-lid) / mellow 1 (half open) / mellow 2 (closed)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: light
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +2
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 4
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/17/10 08:03 PM

well... another good sound as you have accustomed us.
After trying for few moments, it must have a name of Grand piano: lid simulation, good dynamics, emphasis on Concert Grand (Kawai EX samples) - I propose:

KAWAI EX ADDICTION R1.1

what do you think confused wink
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/18/10 02:48 AM

I'd swear there was an extra percussive quality to it! smokin whome yippie


JAZZ & BLUES IMPROVISATION GRAND R1.0

Dual Voice: Jazz Grand, volume 9 + Marimba, volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: Bass boost

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open-lid) / mellow 1 (half open) / mellow 2 (closed)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 8
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: light

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -2
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 2, time 2, depth 2
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/18/10 03:00 AM

What would happen when you put your Studio Grand in a real Concert Hall? crazy shocked cool wow


THE BRILLIANT GRAND - SURROUND SOUND R1.0

Dual Voice: Studio Grand, volume 9 + Celesta, volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: Loudness

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open-lid) / mellow 1 (half open) / mellow 2 (closed)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: light
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 5

Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/18/10 08:49 AM

First, before take-off, pump up the volume and remove your foot from the sustain pedal, or better trash it alltogether in order to experience the Rock&Roll way of life! mad cool smokin sick grin

Hint: just 'close the lid' to get a really friendly, family-proof top character heavenly singing upright, without that nasty rock bite (and retrieve & repair your sustain pedal before use). whistle wink


DIRTY UPRIGHT ROCK R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 7 + Rock Piano, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid -1, high -3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright 1 or 2 (open-lid) / normal (half open) / mellow 1 or 2 (closed)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 8
2 - 3 String resonance: 9
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: light
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 1

Rhythm: 8 Beat 2, tempo 120bpm
Posted by: Gorm Laben

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/19/10 02:15 PM

These sounds are fantastic. The Bosie and the Steinway Grand Devotion are my favorite go-to's.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/20/10 07:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Steve Deutsch
These sounds are fantastic. The Bosie and the Steinway Grand Devotion are my favorite go-to's.
Thanks for your feedback, Steve! smile

Watch out for my next preset project: I will be generating that typical lush acoustic and slightly imperfect sound of a Baby Grand in a large living room: http://www.bedandbreakfast.com/photo-dover-nh-lodging-silver_fountain_inn-lodging.html
Posted by: voxpops

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/20/10 09:56 AM

Sorry, wrong thread!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/20/10 04:42 PM

This is a dynamic soulful sound allright, nailed it, here it is: f blush cool shocked wow


WARM BABY-MEDIUM GRAND AT HOME R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 6 + Pop Piano 2, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +2, high -1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2 (closed-lid) / mellow 1 (half open)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: light
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 4
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/23/10 04:54 AM

Do you want to be brighter and more reverberant than Richard Clayderman? grin wink


DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME R1.0

Dual Voice: Jazz Grand, volume 9 + Modern E.P., volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid -1, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: light
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 1
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/24/10 05:59 PM

Man, this one is just like the organ my grandfather used to play, only better/worse... crazy smile


CHEESY VINTAGE PERCUSSIVE ORGAN R1.0

Dual Voice: Jazz Organ, volume 9 + Be 3, volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: mid reduce

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 5 Touch: off

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +1

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: Rotary1 (fast), speed 4, accell.spd. 8
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/26/10 06:35 PM

What would happen when you add two Concert Grands together? confused
This yields a character with a very special sound signature! cool


BLENDED CONCERT GRANDEUR R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 7 + Concert Grand 2, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low 0, mid -1, high -5

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open-lid) / mellow 1 (half open) / mellow 2 (closed)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: light
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 2, depth 3
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/26/10 06:44 PM

This one reads very promising. I will chrck it tomorrow evening!
Posted by: theJourney

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/26/10 11:28 PM

TADutchman, a question for you.
Those receiving first deliveries of the CA63 complained about polyphony problems and notes falling out in a disruptive fashion. This has since been addressed in a firmware update.

When you are layering two different piano sounds with every available effect turned on to obtain an acceptable piano tone, how much polyphony is left of the 196? It would seem to me that it might make playing high romantic or impressionistic music not so satisfying if there is only 196/2/22= around 24 notes of simultaneously sustained notes able to be played.
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/27/10 01:23 AM

theJourney, a question for you.
Why are your questions so assumptive? Are you really interested in an answer? Your question seems to be only an opportunity to again review all the big issues you see with Kawai DPs like "polyphony problems and notes falling out in a disruptive fashion", "layering two dfferent piano sound with every available effect turned on to obtain an acceptable(??) piano tone"... You know that this is not the intention of the layered sounds!

What kind of calculation is that: 192/2/22?? Do you have more insight into the sound design of Kawai CA models than any other participant of this honorable forum?

BTW I can answer your question, because, as you know, I
m a "new age church song player" who uses lots of pedal. No, there are absolutely no polyphony issues detectable even with layered piano sounds.

Hope that helps (for whatever purpose).
Posted by: theJourney

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/27/10 01:46 AM

Originally Posted By: mucci
theJourney, a question for you.
Why are your questions so assumptive? Are you really interested in an answer? Your question seems to be only an opportunity to again review all the big issues you see with Kawai DPs like "polyphony problems and notes falling out in a disruptive fashion", "layering two dfferent piano sound with every available effect turned on to obtain an acceptable(??) piano tone"... You know that this is not the intention of the layered sounds!

What kind of calculation is that: 192/2/22?? Do you have more insight into the sound design of Kawai CA models than any other participant of this honorable forum?

BTW I can answer your question, because, as you know, I
m a "new age church song player" who uses lots of pedal. No, there are absolutely no polyphony issues detectable even with layered piano sounds.

Hope that helps (for whatever purpose).


It would be helpful if you could bring yourself to stick to the subject matter of the forum instead of posting repeatedly personal attacks or comments about other posters.

You were the one who brought up this issue of polyphony in another thread during the past 24 hours.

Originally Posted By: mucci
Well, as polyphony is concerned, 96 voice polyphony is not necessarily always sufficient. It all depends on how the manufacturer count the voices:

Normally the pianos are stereo, so 96 voices mean 96 mono voices, that's a total of 48 stereo voices. Then there are effects: Pedal down resonances and string resonances, these also eat up some of the voices, but I don't know for sure how many.

Furthermore if you like to create layered sounds then using two stereo pianos you are left with only 24 notes (without any resonance effects).

The CA63 has 192 voices polyphony, and I'm sure they will be eaten up by specific playing styles.

Therefore DPs have specific algorithms to drop those notes first that are not really recognized by the player. That might be the reason why the low very long decay note during your test did sound even after pressing lots of other keys.


My post was based on the issue that you yourself described using numbers and concepts that you yourself provided. Furthermore, my question was addressed to TADutchman, not to you. The more that you post in this emotional, biased and disruptive fashion the more that it would seem that your original name here of kawaien is the same as one of the officials from Kawai Germany website, not some church hymn playing customer...However, for me it doesn't matter who you are. What matters for me is that we get clarity on how much effective polyphony remains when using the presets described in this thread and if that is sufficient for practising and playing romantic and impressionistic music.
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/27/10 02:10 AM

Originally Posted By: theJourney

My post was based on the issue that you yourself described using numbers and concepts that you yourself provided.


That's fine, but why then those assumptive remarks:

Originally Posted By: theJourney

Those receiving first deliveries of the CA63 complained about polyphony problems and notes falling out in a disruptive fashion.

Originally Posted By: theJourney

When you are layering two different piano sounds with every available effect turned on to obtain an acceptable piano tone,...

?

Originally Posted By: theJourney

Furthermore, my question was addressed to TADutchman, not to you.


This is an official forum, if you want to address something only to one specific member of the forum it might be more appropriate to send a PM...

Originally Posted By: theJourney

The more that you post in this emotional, biased and disruptive fashion the more that it would seem that your original name here of kawaien is the same as one of the officials from Kawai Germany website,


Oh, I see. You think officials from Kawai Germany are all people that are emotional, biased and disruptive. Interesting perception... BTW you should know I'm not in any relationship with Kawai, see my other posts...

Originally Posted By: theJourney

However, for me it doesn't matter who you are. What matters for me is that we get clarity on how much effective polyphony remains when using the presets described in this thread and if that is sufficient for practising and playing romantic and impressionistic music.


I thought I answered that question:
Originally Posted By: theJourney

I can answer your question, because, as you know, I'm a "new age church song player" who uses lots of pedal. No, there are absolutely no polyphony issues detectable even with layered piano sounds.


I think it's obvious that I can't tell you how many effective notes are left by using layered sounds since I don't know how Kawai handles polyphony. And as you know this seems to be a company secret (as for any other DP brand).

So, it's going on as always... I'm not posting personal attacks, because I fully respect you. What I don't like are posts and questions that look like they're coming from an advocate in a criminal court case during a cross examination: "Is it correct, that you stated that DP xy has polyphony issues? Did you also state that ...? No more questions, high court, Kawai is guilty of providing faulty keyboard to their customers, with inferior sounds....". And I'm vocal about that, you see?
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/27/10 02:59 AM

Please guys, I advice you to start two new OT threads: grin
1. Mucci bashing theJourney
2. theJourney bashing Mucci
I guess there will be many spectators, so maybe youtube is an option! wink

This thread however is all about creativity, new ideas and sharing of CA93/CA63 custom settings in an uplifting spirit, okay? thumb
Posted by: theJourney

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/27/10 03:10 AM

Re your "?" on these two points:
Quote:

originally Posted By: theJourney

Those receiving first deliveries of the CA63 complained about polyphony problems and notes falling out in a disruptive fashion.

Originally Posted By: theJourney

When you are layering two different piano sounds with every available effect turned on to obtain an acceptable piano tone,...

Both of these statements are summaries of fact from a number of posts on this forum.

Regarding the rest of your latest post, unfortunately, just another long post to say "I know the question was not directed to me. But, I will type that I don't the answer while questioning the validity of posing it. I know nuhsink about how Kawai handles polyphony despite my earlier post claiming that I do know something.

Originally Posted By: mucci

Oh, I see. You think officials from Kawai Germany are all people that are emotional, biased and disruptive. Interesting perception... BTW you should know I'm not in any relationship with Kawai, see my other posts...

I have no idea what officials from Kawai Germany are like other than observing the fact that their organization shows itself to be rather incompetent as international distributors. I am sure that there are some great humans working there who also wished their organization was doing a better job.
The point I was making however is that your posts are often emotional, biased, disruptive and off topic, even after having changed your name from kawaien to mucci. It would be better to stick to the subject matter and if you don't know the answer, show some restraint rather than derail the threads. At the end of the day attempts to try to avoid or censure or prevent factual discussions will backfire and work against your goals to promote the Kawai brand.
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/27/10 03:23 AM

Hey, theJourney, we could go in circles forever...

I won't answer your recent accusations, because I don't want to be an advocate of myself rather than just clarifying false pretenses you bring up with some of your biased posts.

Layering is not to get an acceptable sound... the sound is already acceptable. It's to get further improvement and variety of sounds, in a quite unique way which is possible with the virtual technician built in the CAxx instruments. Similar efforts might also lead to better sounds of Roland or Yamaha DPs, but I've yet to see someone posting them.

Sorry, TADutchman, for not following your recommendation, but I need to reply in the original thread rather than in an evacuated artificial bashing thread... wink
Posted by: theJourney

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/27/10 04:33 AM

Originally Posted By: mucci
Hey, theJourney, we could go in circles forever...

I won't answer your recent accusations, because I don't want to be an advocate of myself rather than just clarifying false pretenses you bring up with some of your biased posts.

Layering is not to get an acceptable sound... the sound is already acceptable. It's to get further improvement and variety of sounds, in a quite unique way which is possible with the virtual technician built in the CAxx instruments. Similar efforts might also lead to better sounds of Roland or Yamaha DPs, but I've yet to see someone posting them.

Sorry, TADutchman, for not following your recommendation, but I need to reply in the original thread rather than in an evacuated artificial bashing thread... wink


Presumably the layering does also result in an acceptable sound for those who are doing the layering. I will remind you that both you and TADutchman are on record here criticizing the "undoctored" Kawai sounds resulting in you connecting your CA63 to Pianoteq and TADutchman doing some surprising, unconventional layering that is only possible in the CA line not the new MPs. My reminding you of this is not an accusation, just a reminder of the facts that you have personally shared with us.

Whether you call it acceptable, desired, unconventionally layered or whatever, the fact that Kawai owners feel compelled to enhance the onboard sound while Roland and Yamaha owners do not find the onboard sound unacceptable is not the question. The question is still hanging unanswered in the air: what is the effective polyphony remaining after layering two piano sounds in stereo with all of the various effects enabled? Perhaps James could help us out here? Certainly it cannot be considered a trade secret to specify the performance of the built-in features of the CA93; unless of course the actual performance is poor and Kawai does not wish for these facts to be revealed. What exactly was the issue addressed by the firmware update? Fixing the polyphony or masking the lack of polyphony? The Kawai claims to have one of the highest polyphony on the market. Is this an empty or deceptive claim?
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/27/10 05:02 AM

theJourney, your post is just ridiculous.

Originally Posted By: theJourney
Whether you call it acceptable, desired, unconventionally layered or whatever, the fact that Kawai owners feel compelled to enhance the onboard sound while Roland and Yamaha owners do not find the onboard sound unacceptable is not the question


It's exactly about words. And about the accusation of us finding the sound unacceptable. Don't you hear me? Don't you hear me? (I intentionally said this twice) It's acceptable but it can be further improved! I don't like the Yamaha sound better, I even don't like the Roland sound better, although it has reached some impressive technical level! You understand me?

It's getting boring, but to repeat it once again: I already answered your question:

Quote:
I can answer your question, because, as you know, I'm a "new age church song player" who uses lots of pedal. No, there are absolutely no polyphony issues detectable even with layered piano sounds.


You won't get an answer to your "real polyphony" question from any DP company, so stop your repeated weak bashing attempts by implying untruthful notions to Kawai.
Posted by: theJourney

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/27/10 05:08 AM

Sorry, but you did not answer any of my questions.
My question was regarding Romantic and Impressionistic music from the core repertoire, not "new age church songs".
Actually other manufacturers including Yamaha and Korg do and have given effective polyphony information.
I don't believe that it would be in the interest of Kawai to be secretive about this.
Unless there are reasons for not wanting to discuss it.
It is a fact that the only brand that I remember being discussed on this forum where the lack of polyphony on a modern dp was an issue was with Kawai.
If the issue has been resolved it would certainly be in their interest to promote this fact rather than to avoid the question. Wouldn't you agree?
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/27/10 05:10 AM

Now it's getting really personal and I'm stopping discussion right now.
Posted by: theJourney

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/27/10 05:20 AM

Originally Posted By: mucci
Now it's getting really personal and I'm stopping discussion right now.

thumb Let's give the floor to those with the knowledge, experience and will to address the questions.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/27/10 05:31 AM

Originally Posted By: theJourney
TADutchman, a question for you.
When you are layering two different piano sounds with every available effect turned on to obtain an acceptable piano tone, how much polyphony is left of the 196?

I have no exact figures available but witnessed no audible practical limitations at all (as of firmware v1.07): if Kawai set-up their unique DP dual voice mode just like I do when developing virtual instruments, performing the adding of samples before doing the ‘expensive’ high-quality interpolation step, it could be almost without penalty on polyphony. I guess that at Kawai they are smart enough to have done something similar, as so far I could not find any significant difference in perceived polyphony between single and dual voice mode.

I think I know what you mean with obtaining an acceptable piano tone: achieving an acceptable real dynamic acoustic piano tone for live playing at a reasonable price, not a 'me too' acceptable static sample playback digital piano tone. We're talking a whole different level here, near-AvantGrand or even beyond and at least more versatile: that’s exactly what I have been aiming to achieve using dual voice mode. Funny enough, I have an answer for you from a totally unexpected perspective:

Recently, I've had several piano enthusiasts over at my home and I let them just play (no button pressing) my CA93 Steinway patch (variation) without giving any comments on forehand. At first they were quite sceptical (a CA111 like design may have helped here), but eventually, they were all amazed about the realism and acoustic impact and did not want to stop playing! For instance, I saw them diving into all kinds of complex pianissimo subtleties that even I had not heard before. Even more surprising to me was that some of them, owning an acoustic upright, were considering trading it in and buying a CA93 instead.
Posted by: theJourney

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/27/10 05:42 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Originally Posted By: theJourney
TADutchman, a question for you.
When you are layering two different piano sounds with every available effect turned on to obtain an acceptable piano tone, how much polyphony is left of the 196?

I have no exact figures available but witnessed no audible practical limitations at all (as of firmware v1.07): if Kawai set-up their unique DP dual voice mode just like I do when developing virtual instruments, performing the adding of samples before doing the ‘expensive’ high-quality interpolation step, it could be almost without penalty on polyphony. I guess that at Kawai they are smart enough to have done something similar, as so far I could not find any significant difference in perceived polyphony between single and dual voice mode.

I think I know what you mean with obtaining an acceptable piano tone: achieving an acceptable real dynamic acoustic piano tone for live playing at a reasonable price, not a 'me too' acceptable static sample playback digital piano tone. We're talking a whole different level here, near-AvantGrand or even beyond and at least more versatile: that’s exactly what I have been aiming to achieve using dual voice mode. Funny enough, I have an answer for you from a totally unexpected perspective:

Recently, I've had several piano enthusiasts over at my home and I let them just play (no button pressing) my CA93 Steinway patch (variation) without giving any comments on forehand. At first they were quite sceptical (a CA111 like design may have helped here), but eventually, they were all amazed about the realism and acoustic impact and did not want to stop playing! For instance, I saw them diving into all kinds of complex pianissimo subtleties that even I had not heard before. Even more surprising to me was that some of them, owning an acoustic upright, were considering trading it in and buying a CA93 instead.


Great story!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/27/10 07:20 AM

You're welcome, the Journey.

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Recently, I've had several piano enthusiasts over at my home and I let them just play (no button pressing) my CA93 Steinway patch (variation)...

This is my current CA93 Steinway patch (people may prefer to play without reverb, just live acoustics; for reverb on/off you need to press a button): smile


STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R2.1 - CA93 variation

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 9 + Finger Nylon Gt, volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid -1, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: light
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Hall 2 / Off

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 5 / Off
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/27/10 08:02 AM

Originally Posted By: mucci
This one reads very promising. I will chrck it tomorrow evening!

Excellent, mucci: I would like to know what Voicing you prefer for the Blended Concert Grandeur patch after checking. cool
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/28/10 02:25 AM

Hi TADutchman,

I tested the Blended Concert Grandeur this morning: Compared to my standard single Concert Grand patch (not layered) its only a very subtle difference in sound, it's somewhat richer sounding, but that's mainly because of the activated delay2 effect. I could achieve a very similar somewhat fuller sound also with using the same effect on my single Concert Grand patch.

So, my favourite layer sound (because it's really a completely new sound experience) remains the Steinway patch!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/28/10 03:19 AM

@mucci: you were clearly expecting another revolution, while this patch is more of an evolutionary nature. grin wink

By the way, did you try different voicings (normal, mellow1, mellow2) and full keyboard and dynamic range (ppp -> fff blending)?

Nevertheless, I will see what I can do or maybe already have done with any of the other recent patches. Sometimes small updates with slightly altered settings can also do the trick, changing the rating from fairly good -> fantastic! @Everybody: that's why feedback of you guys on all published dual voice piano patches is essential. help
Posted by: Stilgar

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/28/10 08:32 AM

Hi all,

I will soon receive my CA63. I already tried some of the proposed settings at the dealer and was impressed. In order to make those settings easier to get, I regrouped some of them in a google spreadsheet settings summary. I let it be editable by anyone so fell free to complete/correct/update it. I know of the pdf from pinpon but it is out of date and cannot be edited collaboratively.
pdf version of the table

And big thanks to TADutchman for its work.
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/28/10 10:10 AM

Wow, this all reads like getting to be a big patch user community. I would even compare this tweakability with some products in the gadget area where products that are good and can be further improved in either functionality or quality usually gain lots of supporters. This often leads to a big succes story of the product.

Anyway, folks, thanks for your contribution, especially to TADutchman!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/28/10 10:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Stilgar
I will soon receive my CA63. I already tried some of the proposed settings at the dealer and was impressed. In order to make those settings easier to get, I regrouped some of them in a google spreadsheet

Welcome to the club, Stilgar! smile

Would you please add a direct link to this CA93/CA63 custom settings thread in your spreadsheet and pdf-file and mention that all dual voice settings of TADutchman are free for non-commercial use?
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/28/10 06:08 PM

Originally Posted By: mucci
So, my favourite layer sound (because it's really a completely new sound experience) remains the Steinway patch!

I saw your 'pling pling' recording example, sounds good: I'm planning on auditioning both the MP3 and 24-bit/96kHz file using some high-end equipment; that's including my CA93 (max 48kHz playback). At least with my PC speakers I could hardly hear any difference. whistle

Special request:
Would you like to make a really good benchmark recording between 2 and 4 (if you still remember what I mean), using both your high-quality H1 external recorder and the direct output of your CA63 internal USB recorder (no volume corrections)... cool
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/29/10 12:24 AM

I know exactly what you mean wink I will do, cause you're the "Inventor" of real layered piano variations, and that gives you some credit!
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/29/10 03:30 AM

Hi TADutchman,

As requested, here are the recording files. This time, for better comparison reasons, I first recorded as a MIDI in CA63 internally, and then recorded the playback with either H1 or by MIDI-to-USB-conversion.

1. CA63 Concert Grand, recorded in 96/24 with H1 and converted to 256kbit MP3:
http://www.mediafire.com/?6tb57cbelolx7cn

2. *deleted*

3. CA63 Concert Grand, recorded in WAV with internal convert MIDI-to-USB function:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ntw49ugohl5aetq

EDIT: Sorry, the second one does not seem to be the Steinway Patch, since the internal midi recorder seems to always playback using the original patch. The only thing that is different I guess is that the effect section is like the one for the Steinway patch. Sorry, I currently don't know how to handle this, and can't explorer this further. But anyway, you can clearly hear the difference at least in volume between the 1. H1 recording and the 3. internal recording
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/29/10 03:46 AM

Originally Posted By: mucci
Sorry, the second one does not seem to be the Steinway Patch, since the internal midi recorder seems to always playback using the original patch.

Thanks a lot for your efforts, I'll have a look tonight! (by the way, could you please rename the second one into something else, as otherwise people may confuse it with the Steinway patch).
Posted by: Stilgar

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/29/10 05:30 AM

TADutchman: I changed the files accordingly. If you want something different, just ask or you can modify it yourself (its open for shared editing).
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/29/10 05:39 AM

Originally Posted By: Stilgar
TADutchman: I changed the files accordingly. If you want something different, just ask or you can modify it yourself (its open for shared editing).

Much appreciated. thumb

Could we use both CA93 and CA63 in the file naming instead of CA63 only? (feels kind of weird as these dual voice settings have been developed on a CA93) grin wink
Posted by: egallego

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/29/10 09:25 AM

Well, from this morning and after two months of extensive research, I'm a happy owner of a Kawai CA93 smile So once it gets delivered I'll try all your patches.

Thanks TADutchman!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/29/10 12:27 PM

Originally Posted By: egallego
Well, from this morning and after two months of extensive research, I'm a happy owner of a Kawai CA93 smile So once it gets delivered I'll try all your patches.

Thanks TADutchman!

You're welcome, egallego!

Excellent choice i.m.h.o., especially after all your research. smile cool
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/29/10 01:57 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
I saw your 'pling pling' recording example, sounds good: I'm planning on auditioning both the MP3 and 24-bit/96kHz file using some high-end equipment

Relatively speaking, the MP3-file sounds a bit muffled compared to the clarity/transparancy/attack of the 96kHz/24-bit recording. The differences are not big enough to be noticable with low-end consumer PC or really cheap hifi-gear though.

Conclusion: for studio work or for listening with audiophile equipment take the 96kHz/24-bit recording, otherwise the MP3-file should be just fine.

Concerning your Concert Grand recording, H1 vs USB: the analog cabled H1 is way superior in resolution and soul; it should have been the other way around (do I hear 'firmware update?').
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/29/10 04:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Stilgar
In order to make those settings easier to get, I regrouped some of them in a google spreadsheet settings summary. I let it be editable by anyone so fell free to complete/correct/update it. I know of the pdf from pinpon but it is out of date and cannot be edited collaboratively.
pdf version of the table


Hi Stilgar, very good idea thumb
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/29/10 05:52 PM

Here's the revisited version: silvery and woody deep character, especially in the discant, check it out guys! cool Is this AvantGrand material or what? wink


BLENDED CONCERT GRANDEUR R2.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 5 + Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -2, mid -1, high -4

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10 / 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: light
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 2, depth 3
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/30/10 03:31 AM

About Electric Grands: specific Kawai EP-308 and Yamaha CP70/CP80 patches are already available (just look back in this thread), but what about a whole collection of various Electric Grands with on-the-fly preset-change? shocked cool


THE ELECTRIC GRANDS COLLECTION R1.0

Dual Voice: Jazz Grand 2, volume 4 + ANY [E-Piano], volume 6

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid -1, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: light
2 - 8 Stretching tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Tremolo, rate 5, depth 3
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/31/10 03:08 AM

Looking for a more sophisticated authentic dirty tonewheel organ sound? Here's the first one: smokin yippie


CROSS-TALKING HAMMOND B3 - PART 1 R1.0

Dual Voice: Drawbar Organ 2, volume 6 + Be 3, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid +6, high +6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 5 Touch: off

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +1

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: Rotary2 (slow/fast), speed 6, accell.spd. 6


@Kawai James: I noticed before, but forgot to report a bug: directly after assigning an organ patch to one of the panel memories, the live switching of Rotary Speaker speed with the soft-pedal does not work anymore (firmware v1.07).
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/31/10 06:31 AM

TADutchman, thanks for reporting this - I will pass the bug report on to the R&D chaps tomorrow. I might even try to recreate the issue myself.

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/31/10 03:52 PM

Thanks, James. thumb

Let's position ourselves further away from the piano this time and listen in 3D to our playing from a first row audience perspective, with the true hall acoustic space filling the sound stage! cool smile grin whome wow

Let's say that some slight imperfections are included to make it even more realistic, i.e. the highest note sounds faulty (reported before for this specific combination of piano voices, just repeat that note at different velocities to hear it); let's call it a feature. wink


CONCERT HALL COLOURED GRAND R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Concert Grand, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -4, mid -3, high -2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: light
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 6
Posted by: theJourney

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/31/10 04:33 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Let's say that some slight imperfections are included to make it even more realistic, i.e. the highest note sounds faulty (reported before for this specific combination of piano voices, just repeat that note at different velocities to hear it); let's call it a feature. wink


ROFL! Gotta luv it! True love is blind.
Keep 'em coming, TAD!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/01/10 03:58 AM

Originally Posted By: theJourney
ROFL! Gotta luv it! True love is blind.
Keep 'em coming, TAD!

You're a really funny guy, theJourney. laugh ha

May I assume that my dedication and research (after benchmarking with other brands before purchase) have worked and that in the meantime you have already become a CA93/CA63 owner? This seems a reasonable assumption, as you have spent quite some time in this exclusive thread lately, looking for exceptional presets or should I say presets with exceptions? Don't worry, I won't tell anyone! grin

By the way, quite frankly, I'm mainly using these minor niggles in order to stimulate Kawai to release their next firmware update with some new features anytime soon... cool
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/01/10 04:34 AM

TADutchman, you're the best (you know what I mean!) cool whistle
Posted by: ksk

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/01/10 12:35 PM

Thanks for all the work you are putting into this. I was going to try out some of your patches but ran into a problem. How do you select dual voices with the same (or similar) patches? Sorry if this already have been answered somewhere in this long thread...

/ksk
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/01/10 01:15 PM

Originally Posted By: ksk
Thanks for all the work you are putting into this.

You're welcome, also a good question, ksk. smile
Please find the text in italics below (just correct me if that's not what you were looking for, okay?).

I hope that Kawai James doesn't mind me copying a small part of the CA93/CA63 owner's manual here and altering it a little bit (I changed the first appearance of the word SELECT into 'group' and removed 'button' to make it hopefully easier to interpret; I'm not a native English speaker though):

To layer two sounds assigned to the same sound group, first press a SOUND SELECT button to select the initial sound, then press and hold the same SOUND SELECT button, and finally press the [up] or [down] buttons to select the desired layered sound.
Posted by: Gorm Laben

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/01/10 01:49 PM

This is now my favorite for all occasions:

WARM BABY-MEDIUM GRAND AT HOME R1.0
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/01/10 04:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Steve Deutsch
This is now my favorite for all occasions:

WARM BABY-MEDIUM GRAND AT HOME R1.0

Glad you dig that project, Steve! It's based on an actual live home situation I witnessed where the acoustic grand, despite of a closed-lid, is real loud and warm at the same time! cool
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/01/10 05:39 PM

TADutchman, nicely done. wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/01/10 09:46 PM

TADutchman, thank you once again for your great work on these CA93/CA63 custom settings.

Having raised the topic of the Rotary slow/fast control with some colleagues, it would appear that there may well be a bug with the way the preset is stored/recalled from Registration memory.

We will have to continue studying the cause for this particular bug and see if it can be resolved in the future - thanks again for reporting this issue.

I'll obviously keep you informed of any developments.

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/02/10 02:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
TADutchman, thank you once again for your great work on these CA93/CA63 custom settings.
Thanks for the compliment and for your fast info update, James!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/03/10 02:40 AM

Just make your own temperament for this special character grand; detune it a little this way and it's easy to imagine being almost two centuries back in time, playing like Chopin in his study room shocked ...well, at least the first part. whistle smile


ANTIQUE 1848 PLEYEL GRAND R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand 2, volume 9 + W.Bass & Ride, volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +4, mid 0, high -2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: light+
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +2
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 2, time 2, depth 3
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/03/10 01:23 PM

After a heavy playing session, I must say that, with subtle instead of over-the-top detuning and some small optimisations, this grand could even pass for a slightly imperfect and (therefore) very dynamic early 19xx grand: cool wow


ANTIQUE 1848 PLEYEL GRAND R1.1

Dual Voice: Concert Grand 2, volume 9 + W.Bass & Ride, volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +1, high -4

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: light+
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +2
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 2, time 2, depth 3
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/04/10 04:08 PM

I've seen that people like CyberGene and several others prefer to use heavier touch keyboard settings. Therefore, I have started to fully optimise some of my excisting presets for this purpose. Here is the first organic, dark and deep sounding Heavy Touch Edition: cool


BLENDED CONCERT GRANDEUR R2.0 - HEAVY TOUCH EDITION

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 5 + Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low 4, mid 3, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 2, depth 3

Posted by: KeemaNan

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/04/10 06:32 PM

Really good stuff this, thanks TADutchman. Glad I found this forum - I was pretty happy with my CA63 before, but these layered sounds are amazing.
I'm another fan of WARM BABY-MEDIUM GRAND AT HOME R1.0.
Shame there are only 8 registration memories...
Thanks again !
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/05/10 03:32 AM

TADutchman, thank you for the preset smile Here is a recording I have made with it:

BLENDED CONCERT GRANDEUR R2.0 - HEAVY TOUCH EDITION.mp3

On speakers it's really warm but on headphones there are something like phase differences which are a little bit artificial. Not sure if it depends on the headphones.

Here is the same piece recorded with the plain vanilla CA63 sound with no tweaks (except for heavy touch and hall2 reverb):
Kawai CA63 - Concert Grand [default] - Heavy Touch - Hall2
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/05/10 03:42 AM

Thanks for your swift feedback and recording, CyberGene; I'll have a look into this in more detail tomorrow, the day after a local Jazz festival. I'm available for a meet and greet in Heerde to be exact. wink

http://www.jazzfestivalheerde.nl/programma/
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/05/10 03:45 AM

Originally Posted By: KeemaNan
Really good stuff this, thanks TADutchman. Glad I found this forum - I was pretty happy with my CA63 before, but these layered sounds are amazing.

I'm another fan of WARM BABY-MEDIUM GRAND AT HOME R1.0.

Welcome and thanks, KeemaNan. Yet another proud owner! smile
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/05/10 07:09 AM

TADutchman, as we have discussed in private messaging, without any doubt the STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R2.1 is my personal favorite and the best among the layered sounds I use. It has resonances which are really beautiful. I have used it with heavy touch although it is originally made for light touch, so if you can fine tune it specifically for heavy touch, that would be really great! As you see, I prefer romantic classical music which sounds great with full, warm, woody and even dull sound and not bright and percussive sound and the Steinway patch is close to that. Thank you very much! smile
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/06/10 03:59 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Thanks for your swift feedback and recording, CyberGene; I'll have a look into this in more detail tomorrow, the day after a local Jazz festival. I'm available for a meet and greet in Heerde to be exact. wink

http://www.jazzfestivalheerde.nl/programma/


All that jazz and then a final soul/funk performance of 10 Beaufort after midnight that blew me away (the band leader of this Tower of Power cover-band is a friend of mine). I hope my eardrums are still intact. shocked wink

In the meantime, I've updated the heavy touch Blended Concert Grandeur patch in the orignal post...
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/06/10 04:42 AM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
the STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R2.1 is my personal favorite and the best among the layered sounds I use. It has resonances which are really beautiful. I have used it with heavy touch although it is originally made for light touch, so if you can fine tune it specifically for heavy touch, that would be really great!

Sure, here it is, let me know your thoughts: cool


STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R2.1 - HEAVY TOUCH EDITION

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 9 + Pick Nylon Gt, volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid +1, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 5
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/06/10 07:53 AM

To complete the trilogy, here's the one with normal touch:


STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R2.1 - NORMAL TOUCH EDITION

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 9 + Pick Nylon Gt, volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid -1, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 5
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/06/10 04:23 PM

TADutchman, thank you for your efforts! I have tested both new patches and now I understand why you have chosen to use light setting in the original one. The heavy touch seems to be too heavy for the already dark and mellow patch you have created and now it seems I prefer the STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R2.1 - NORMAL TOUCH EDITION.

By the way, I've spent today some more time to play with the settings of the CA63. Well, some people may not believe it, but in fact I've only played my piano with the default sound in 99% of the time ever since I bought it. Because the piano sound is great out of the box. The only change I've made was to use it with the heavy touch setting but it seems to be only me doing it, maybe a consequence of the fact I've been playing relatively heavy touched Scholze upright for more than 15 years at home.

So, I decided to analyze why it's only me using the heavy setting. And I've discovered a "tweak" which now makes it possible to play with the normal touch setting without the velocity and brightness jumps I had before. I need to play my new patch more in order to state it's my new favorite, but here it is:

ANTI-JUMPY MELLOW GRAND ha (I know, I know, it can't compete with TADutchman's sexy names...)

Single voice: Concert Grand
1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone Control:off

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: Mellow1 (That's the important)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 5
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key-off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: Normal
2 - 6 Temperament: Equal (p.only)
2 - 8 Stretch tune: Wide (that's nice if playing solo piano, otherwise should be switched off in order to avoid detuning between you and other instruments which are using non-stretched tunings)

Reverb: Hall2
Effect: off

Well, as you see, the only difference with the default (out of the box) sound is the usage of mellow1 voicing (and optionally the stretched-wide tunning and hall2 reverb). But it makes huge difference to me.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/06/10 05:38 PM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
So, I decided to analyze why it's only me using the heavy setting. And I've discovered a "tweak" which now makes it possible to play with the normal touch setting without the velocity and brightness jumps I had before.

Correct, what you do with mellow1 in single voice mode now is the same as what I did in dual voice mode with the STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R2.1 - NORMAL TOUCH EDITION

Whatever works best for you. cool

Suggestion towards Kawai: with an overall brilliance parameter (like on the MP10), it would be possible to fully control overall brightness, for instance when using heavy touch, independently of the Voicing parameter.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/07/10 08:48 AM

Let's update the specific CA93 optimised version too: whistle


STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R2.1 - NORMAL TOUCH EDITION - CA93 variation

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 9 + Finger Nylon Gt, volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +3, high +5

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Hall 2 / Off

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 5 / Off
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/07/10 12:59 PM

When I saw the last presets, all with light touch, I was reluctant because I had already noticed that leads to bright tones, amplifies the high freqs and the bell effect.

But on the other hand, TADutchman has well compensated this effect correcting Voicing (2-1) and Tone control (1-3)

So, once I've tried all the lasts presets, I have to say very surprisingly I prefer the original Light touch versions than Normal and Heavy versions that are too muffled for my taste.

Now talking about the presets:

The Steinway patches are truly great sounds but unlike to many people here, these are not in my favourites.

After my little "test drive" this afternoon, I would like to give you my personal list (that is not in preference order), here we go:

SHIGERU KAWAI R2.0
BRUTAL BASS BOSENDORFER R2.1
BLENDED CONCERT GRANDEUR R2.0 with 2-1 Voicing: mellow 1/2 for lid effects
KAWAI EX ADDICTION R1.1
JAZZ & BLUES IMPROVISATION GRAND R1.0
ANTIQUE 1848 PLEYEL GRAND R1.1
PUB PIANO SING-A-LONG 1.0
DIRTY UPRIGHT ROCK R1.0
BRILLIANT CLASSICAL PIANO R2.2
GOOD OLD VINTAGE GRAND R1.0
FUNKY GROWL SOLOING
INVOLVING E-PIANO
DREAMY TREMOLO HYBRID
KAWAI EP-308 ELECTRIC GRAND

maybe in future I find time to write a little review for each of them, only to share my impressions with you...
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/07/10 03:40 PM

Pinipon, you missed the Steinway...
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/07/10 05:07 PM

...as mentioned above; no, he didn't. grin

There are already so many dual voice presets with unique timbres and resonances available now (and more upcoming) that there's plenty of choice for everybody to have their own list of personal favourites. whistle wink
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/07/10 05:53 PM

Thanks TAD for pointing me on that - I have to admit I didn't read the whole post... But sometimes when I have plenty of time I need to test drive all the patches!

I have to say that now after some more playing I prefer the sound of the Concert Grand blend over the Steinway. The Steinway is very good but sometimes it sounds too heavy, whereas the blend is similar to the standard single layer Concert Grand but adds some additional richness which I really love for specific romantic classical pieces.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/08/10 03:33 AM

Originally Posted By: mucci
...when I have plenty of time I need to test drive all the patches!

Do I hear a potential second Kawai CA93/CA63 custom presets reviewer here? Ref.http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1509389.html#Post1509389

By the way, if you want the Steinway preset to sound lighter, just pick the previous R2.0 release (the one that FishTako played in the music store). smile

Originally Posted By: FishTako
@TADutchman,

Thanks again for posting all of these. I had a chance to try out both the Bosendorfer R2.1 and the Steinway R2.0 at the store today. These are definite improvements over the stock pianos. I think I may slowly be swayed away from Roland's 307 having tried these settings. smile
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/09/10 04:13 PM

Oh yeah, this dynamic patch packs a real analog punch for the low-frequency range of your boombox! cool smokin


PERCUSSIVE CRYSTAL ELECTRIC PIANO R1.0

Dual Voice: Crystal E.P., volume 5 + Vibraphone, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: loudness

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 1
2 - 5 Touch: light+

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Room 1

Effect: Chorus, depth 5, speed 5
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/10/10 03:56 PM

How to do a direct USB recording with enough tube warmth to make it through a cold winter? wink


MASTERING MELLOW GRAND R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 6 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +3, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 8
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 2, time 2, depth 4
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/11/10 04:30 PM

CyberGene says he can't compete with the sexy names I'm using for my dual voice presets. How come? confused grin whistle


SEXY ANTI-JUMPY ROMANTIC MELLOW GRAND R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 6 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: bass boost

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 3
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 3
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/14/10 02:36 AM

When playing live, there is really no reverb necessary here, thanks to the advanced UPHI sound-engine, the 6-speaker system and the spruce acoustic soundboard of my CA93! cool wow

Of course, when playing with headphones or after a recording session, you'd better incorporate the right amount of dedicated reverb in the mix.


CLOSE-MIKED STUDIO GRAND R1.0

Dual Voice: Studio Grand, volume 6 + Jazz Grand 2, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +2, high +5

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal / mellow 1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 8
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Off

Effect: Delay 2, time 2, depth 1
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/15/10 04:17 PM

Just tell me, did I hit the sweet spot here? wink


CLOSE-MIKED CONCERT GRAND R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 6 + Concert Grand, volume 4 (e.g. balance= 4 - 6)

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid 0, high +5

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 5
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 3
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 5

Reverb: Off

Effect: Off
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/16/10 04:34 AM

In the category general Hints & Tips: about setting Dual Layer Volume Balance.

I noticed that in practice the volume balance setting may be counter-intuitive to some people (including myself), potentially leading to 'wrong' sounding dual voice presets, even while the description in the CA93/CA63 Owner's Manual is correct. Therefore two explicit examples are listed here.

Given that you are in dual voice mode and see in your display:
CONCERT GRAND
ROCK PIANO

Example 1
volume balance 6 - 4 : the layered voice is louder = ROCK PIANO

Example 2
volume balance 4 - 6 : the single voice is louder = CONCERT GRAND

Conclusion: please note that the first digit is the volume of the dual voice mode layered sound and the second digit is the volume of the original single voice mode sound! whistle
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/16/10 04:58 AM

Thank you for clarifying this, I also detected this while entering your patches. It was very obvious in the Steinway patch because the guitar first had volume 9 and the Concert Grand volume 1 which is a little bit strange for a piano patch... wink I find this rather non-intuitive.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/16/10 05:09 PM

Let's party today and play some really fast notes! grin cool


UPRIGHT STACCATO FUN R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand 2, volume 4 + Modern Piano, volume 6

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid -1, high -2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: light
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 1
Posted by: der.abkoemmling

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/18/10 06:48 AM

Hey TADutchman,

I'm getting my CA 93 delivered next week and I want to thank you in andvance for your great work here. I can't wait to try all these settings and im pretty sure I'll love it. I already love it because my choice for the CA 93 was supported by the possibility of the great sound variation you offer here.

I will let you hear how i like it.
Best regards.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/18/10 12:23 PM

Originally Posted By: der.abkoemmling
my choice for the CA 93 was supported by the possibility of the great sound variation you offer here.

Congratulations on your CA93 purchase, der.abkoemmling! smile
Great to hear this feedback and you're also invited to share new experiences. thumb
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/19/10 02:27 PM

TAD,
Once again, you gifted us with 3 gorgeous settings.
As I commented with you in PM, your 2 UPRIGHT settings are incredible: these pianos are a very characteristic sonority, and you are able to reproduce it very well. Very good work that is only possible if you have a very good pair of ears thumb wink

These 3 settings are going into my favourites:
PERCUSSIVE CRYSTAL ELECTRIC PIANO R1.0
SEXY ANTI-JUMPY MELLOW GRAND R1.0
UPRIGHT STACCATO FUN R1.0

the CLOSE-MIKED patches are also very good, I can't choose between them... maybe the best option is to take both grin wink
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/21/10 11:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Pinipon
your 2 UPRIGHT settings are incredible: these pianos are a very characteristic sonority, and you are able to reproduce it very well. Very good work that is only possible if you have a very good pair of ears thumb wink
Thanks for your kind words, Pinipon! blush

Now, let's play the piano with that swinging 'Sister Act' gospel choir this Sunday. cool
Some other jazz/blues application is fine too. wink


DEEP SINGING PIANO CABINET R1.0

Dual Voice: Jazz Grand, volume 8 + Jazz Grand 2, volume 2

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +3, high +6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 2
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/22/10 01:42 PM

Below the CA93 butterfly preset is published, as promised here:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1562177.html#Post1562177
Thanks for inspiring me: this E.P. sounds extremely fat and dynamic! cool smokin wow

By the way, there's absolutely no audible velocity layer switching as was observed on Roland console type DP's like the HP307 SN. Nevertheless, I'm still looking for a CA63 suitable Modern E.P. 3 substitute (other E.P. voice alternatives don't seem to be that organic in this case)...


HERBIE HANCOCK's SUITCASE RHODES R1.0 (CA93 only)

Dual Voice: Modern E.P. 3, volume 6 + Wood Bass, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +5, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: light

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Tremolo, speed 4, depth 9
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/23/10 03:40 PM

@KAWAI James: after saving the HERBIE HANCOCK's SUITCASE RHODES R1.0 preset to user memory and rebooting, I found a small issue: the effect section was reset to (default?) Chorus instead of retaining the Tremolo setting. In case of saving to registration memory this odd behaviour does not occur. Perhaps you could testdrive this preset on a CA93 in order to investigate? wink
Posted by: dewster

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/23/10 04:16 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
By the way, there's absolutely no audible velocity layer switching as was observed on Roland SN.

Wha? AFAIK there's no SN anything in the SX. And AFAIK SN pretty much means no velocity layer switching.

And my condolences on that KAWAI software bug.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/23/10 04:30 PM

Thank you TADutchman, I'm a little busy updating a brochure this week, but will ask one of the CA team to double-check this point and keep you informed.

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/24/10 01:10 AM

Hi dewster, welcome. wink

Originally Posted By: dewster
Wha? AFAIK there's no SN anything in the SX. And AFAIK SN pretty much means no velocity layer switching.

Really? Why don't you answer in the thread I'm referring to then? E.g. here's a quote with an actual player's experience:
Originally Posted By: Essbrace
The vintage EP on my HP-307 had a nice timbre but a couple of very stark velocity switches which got in the way of expression in my opinion.

And another comment over there is:
Originally Posted By: CyberGene
unfortunately that SX sound indeed has too obvious velocity layer transitions which bothered me. When GX was announced I thought that finally Roland may have fixed that with the SN EP-s but then I've read a lot of complaints
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/24/10 02:16 AM

To be honest by "a lot of complaints" I meant not the velocity switching (which was apparently fixed by using modeled sound) but the authenticity of the sound which people complain is too synthetic.

P.S. There is a clear distinction:

RD-700SX: regular AP, regular EP
RD-700GX: regular AP, SN EP
RD-700NX: SN AP, SN EP
HP-30* : SN AP, regular EP

where:
"regular": entirely sampled, velocity switching, sample stretching, sample looping
SN AP: hybrid between sampling and modeling, no velocity switching, no sample stretching, no sample looping
SN EP: entirely modeled sound with control over model parameters like tine, hammer, pickup, etc.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/24/10 02:45 AM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
To be honest by "a lot of complaints" I meant not the velocity switching (which was apparently fixed by using modeled sound) but the authenticity of the sound which people complain is too synthetic.
Thanks for clarifying, CyberGene. The EP statement concerning console type DP's appears to be correct. As this thread is not about stage pianos, I've specified this more clearly in the post about the CA93 butterfly EP preset: smile

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
By the way, there's absolutely no audible velocity layer switching as was observed on Roland console type DP's like the HP307 SN.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/24/10 06:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Thank you TADutchman, I'm a little busy updating a brochure this week, but will ask one of the CA team to double-check this point and keep you informed.
Thanks James, excellent support! thumb
I'm curious about the (product?) brochure you're working on... grin wink
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/24/10 08:37 AM

CN update. wink

James
x
Posted by: Rimmer

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/24/10 08:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
CN update. wink

James
x


That'll be for the new CN42 UPHI then.. f
Posted by: dewster

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/24/10 11:49 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
The EP statement concerning console type DP's appears to be correct.

More to-the-point would be "Roland non-SN EP".

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
... I've specified this more clearly in the post about the CA93 butterfly EP preset...

I'm not trying to be contentious, but "specified more clearly" and "fixed my incorrect statement" are two different things.

Oops, almost forgot ("When in Rome..."): eek cool shocked smirk smokin wow
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/24/10 12:05 PM

Whatever, as long as it's correct! cool

Originally Posted By: dewster
Oops, almost forgot ("When in Rome..."): eek cool shocked smirk smokin wow

Hahaha ha, I'll throw some graphs at you 'when in Rome'.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/24/10 05:22 PM

Let's return to the core business of this thread: the quest for harmonics! smile


RESONANT SYNTHESIZER BASS R1.0

Dual Voice: Clavi, volume 5 + Fretless Bass, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +6, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright 1
2 - 5 Touch: light

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: Delay 1, speed 5, depth 4
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/25/10 01:03 PM

Here's a smooth and groovy vintage electric piano reed tone: dare to hit'em hard! cool cool


SUPERTRAMP 'DREAMER' WURLITZER R1.0

Dual Voice: Classic E-piano, volume 6 + 60's E.P., volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid +6, high -3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: light

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Tremolo, speed 8, depth 10
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/26/10 01:18 AM

Winter has arrived, snow is in the air and Christmas is coming, so it's time for a big icy soundscape: whistle


SHIVERING BELLS PAD R1.0

Dual Voice: New Age E.P., volume 4 + New Age Pad 2, volume 6

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +6, high -6
1 - 8 Damper hold: On

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright1
2 - 5 Touch: light+

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Chorus, rate 5, depth 7
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/27/10 02:42 AM

Watch out for those moving high-amplitude sub-bass frequencies! eek shocked


NOISY E-BASS OVERDRIVE R1.0

Dual Voice: Finger Bass, volume 8 + 60's E.P., volume 2

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +3, high +6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Room 1

Effect: Tremolo, rate 1, depth 2
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/28/10 02:05 AM

What about amp simulation? Let's crank up that virtual amp gain for more severe tine altering distortion! smokin


HEAVY AMPED VINTAGE RHODES R1.0

Dual Voice: Classic E.Piano, volume 5 + Wood Bass, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid -3, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: light+

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Tremolo, rate 5, depth 10
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/30/10 12:12 PM

What's a guitar like? A really weird stagepiano that's being dragged around during live performances? grin wink


SEMI-ACOUSTIC GUITAR STRINGS R1.0

Dual Voice: Pick Nylon Gt., volume 4 + Finger Bass, volume 6

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low 0, mid +5, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: light

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Chorus, rate 1, depth 5
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/03/10 05:39 PM

This is how fat those digital FM bells can sound: nicely suited for this season. wink cool


POP FM ELECTRIC PIANO R1.0

Dual Voice: Modern E.P, volume 6 + Celesta, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +2, high -5

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: light+

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Chorus, rate 3, depth 7
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/12/10 01:29 PM

Sneak Peek: I'm currently working on a Yamaha C7 vs Kawai RX7 duo patch, being inspired by this thread:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...ite_id/1#import

To be continued... whistle
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/14/10 04:02 PM

Hi TAD, (as my friends, you can call me Pini wink )

just tried your latest settings for a little hour before the dinner, and I was very surprised with your SEMI-ACOUSTIC GUITAR STRINGS R1.0: well resonance effect as an acoustic guitar, that makes an "envelop" for the bass and keep the rapid decay effect of the strings high freqs. The sound is very close to a semi acoustic guitar.
Once again, as anyone said before, your patch names are very "sexy" and I add: "realistic" - your SUPERTRAMP 'DREAMER' WURLITZER R1.0 is the right example of this !!! thumb

I'm expecting with lot of curiosity your C7 / RX-7 settings... I'm sure they will be gorgeous
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/14/10 06:47 PM

It's been a long time since TADutchman requested me to make a recording with his ROMANTIC MELLOW GRAND R1.0 patch. I have had a very busy month with almost no time for playing piano at all... frown At the same time I have received from Amazon a set of 7 books with sheet music comprising almost all of the Chopin's works and I was eager to start playing. So, I found some time today to play for a few hours and felt in love with the Etude op. 10, No. 6. It's pretty difficult, at least for my skills (and that's probably one of the easiest Etudes... phew! I can't imagine being able to play the others soon :() I practiced it for about 2-3 hours and finally decided to record with the mentioned patch.

There are few mistakes, of course, especially an ugly one in the stretto... don't judge me too harshly frown

Here it is: Chopin - Etude

P.S. TADutchman, I find some phasey sound at pianissimos with headphones. In fact I detect that with headphones for all the sounds consisting of two layered pianos. However with speakers it's OK.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/15/10 04:37 AM

Hi CyberGene, thanks mate: curious as I am, I'll have a listen a.s.a.p. tonight. cool

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
P.S. TADutchman, I find some phasey sound at pianissimos with headphones. However with speakers it's OK.

I know, I've already formulated a request to Kawai (James) for adding a simple finetuning parameter to the layered sound. I don't know what headphones you are using, but with my humble HD595s (using Headphones Low Impedance setting) it's near inaudible up to moderate volume levels and therefore sounds just great! At 'AP-like dangerously high headphone levels' it's another story of course. I personally prefer to play live at acoustic grand level.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/15/10 05:42 AM

That's a lovely piece CyberGene, although terribly sad in places. As usual, wonderfully emotional playing. cry

I too occasionally hear phasing when listening with headphones. Is this not related to the stereo images of the two layered sounds? And would independent finetune controls really helps things in such instances?

Through speakers the recording sounds far better, and the phasing is less noticeable. However, I do feel that the audio levels are too high - too much normalisation, perhaps?

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/15/10 06:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
I too occasionally hear phasing when listening with headphones. Is this not related to the stereo images of the two layered sounds?

Well, not necessarily, this also occurs when layering identical sounds, as indicated before. That's a unique CA93/CA63 feature by the way!


Originally Posted By: Kawai James
And would independent finetune controls really helps things in such instances?

Yes, given that Kawai tuning is consistent over the whole dynamic range (ppp -> fff). As an analogy, you could just compare it to dedicated fine detune parameters for two oscillators and I'm sure you'll recognise the point made. wink
http://csound.noisepages.com/2010/10/detuned-oscillators/

Additional:
In general, layer dynamics works like a charm: please note that when playing pianissimo, the two layered sounds tend to be of more equal volume in many of my presets, compared to playing mezzoforte or fortissimo. That's why the pianissimo remark of CyberGene is correct.
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/15/10 08:46 AM

James, thank you for your comments smile

Regarding the normalization - usually I am normalizing to -1dB, because I've noticed that 0dB leads to crackles with some audio cards (and/or headphones/speakers). This time I've forgotten and normalized again to the default 0dB and that could be part of the problem you mention.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/15/10 08:53 AM

Yes, my speakers were crackling a little, now that you come to mention it...although this may also be because they're not terribly good quality.

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/15/10 01:35 PM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
I practiced it for about 2-3 hours and finally decided to record with the mentioned patch.

I like Chopin very much, but at first I thought: how did you manage to practice this particular piece (unknown to me) for hours without getting a nervous breakdown? shocked wink Then, after listening to it many more times, it really seems to grow on me too, becoming so deeply addictive and dramatic: great sound and playing style! thumb
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/17/10 06:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Pinipon
just tried your latest settings for a little hour before the dinner, and I was very surprised with your SEMI-ACOUSTIC GUITAR STRINGS R1.0: well resonance effect as an acoustic guitar, that makes an "envelop" for the bass and keep the rapid decay effect of the strings high freqs. The sound is very close to a semi acoustic guitar.
Once again, as anyone said before, your patch names are very "sexy" and I add: "realistic" - your SUPERTRAMP 'DREAMER' WURLITZER R1.0 is the right example of this !!! thumb

I'm expecting with lot of curiosity your C7 / RX-7 settings... I'm sure they will be gorgeous

Thanks for your encouraging comments, Pini! smile
Here's the one-and-only Yamaha C7 vs Kawai RX-7 shootout, check it out: cool


CLASSY YAMAHA C7 R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 4 + Concert Grand 2, volume 6

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +1, mid -4, high -4

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: light
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 6


---------------------------------------------------------------


CLASSY KAWAI RX-7 R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 6 + Concert Grand 2, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid -4, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: light
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 4

Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/20/10 07:22 AM

Let's share another undocumented KAWAI CA93/CA63 feature: smile


ABOUT DUAL VOICE MODE NON-LINEARITY

With a linear DP (and dual voice mode support):
Voice 1 + Voice 2 = Voice 2 + Voice 1 = New Sound

Our CA93/CA63 is a non-linear DP, offering much more diversity*:
Voice 1 + Voice 2 = New Sound A
Voice 2 + Voice 1 = New Sound B


If you don't believe it, DIY! (make sure you have set Volume Balance = 5-5 and Layer Dynamics = 10 for unbiased results)

*) Voice 1 and 2 are even allowed to be of the same (e.g. Piano) Sound Group and Layer Dynamics can be used to timbre match these voices.
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/24/10 11:00 AM

I wish you all a merry Christmas and don't forget to enjoy your wonderful CA93/63 instrument.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/24/10 03:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Pinipon
I wish you all a merry Christmas and don't forget to enjoy your wonderful CA93/63 instrument.

Hear, hear! whistle

Public announcement: there's a (slightly delayed) Christmas gift upcoming in the form of a CA93/CA63 preset that can be directly compared with the sound of this software EX Grand by Lance Herring: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E_TSkkWxBs

Keywords: intimate pianissimos, thunderous fortissimos and great key-off resonances.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/26/10 11:23 AM

Allright, here's my much anticipated Christmas gift for you guys! wink smile

The below preset has been developed for direct comparison with the software EX Grand (a 17,49GB sample bank with no loops, recorded at 24Bits/48Khz): actually, I personally prefer this one with the heavy+ setting, yielding an intriguingly intimate and warm sound with unbelievable NICE !! pianissimo -> mezzoforte control (pump up your overall volume to really appreciate this). Enjoy!


TAKE THE EX TO THE MAX R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 5 + Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid -3, high +1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 8
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: heavy+ (closed lid) / heavy (half open lid) / normal (no lid ;-)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 4
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/26/10 01:49 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman


TAKE THE EX TO THE MAX R1.0


Thanks for your gift and you've found another nice name for this one TAD! thumb I'm hopping over to my (brand new) CA93 to give the new patch a spin. I'll be back with a comment later on, as well as with my personal top-8!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/26/10 02:41 PM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
Thanks for your gift and you've found another nice name for this one TAD! thumb I'm hopping over to my (brand new) CA93 to give the new patch a spin. I'll be back with a comment later on, as well as with my personal top-8!

Great to hear! Quite curious what you'll come up with (as you may have discovered already, the CA93/CA63 have one more user memory space, so no worries if you happen to have a top-9)...
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/26/10 02:58 PM

After playing my new CA93 for a couple of days now (love it!), here are my first (non-professional) impressions of the layered sounds (and I've tried them all! whistle ):
8 available spots are for sure not enough! There must be a 9th one somehow but I don't know how to store it.
BTW A nice trick with visitors: play your favourite piece on the standard grand piano sound and ask them if they like it: they all do (so far). Then play the opening bars of Rach's 2nd Concerto (that's all I can play from this piece btw sick ) with the Brutal Bösendorfer patch to make them fall of their chairs. whistle
In general I like 'heavy touch'.

My 8 spots are at the moment occupied with:

1. Steinway normal touch CA 93. For classical pieces this is by far my favourite. It has the most complex sound spectrum IMHO and gives you the opportunity to easily change colour, from angry to sweet, brilliant patch!
2. Bösendorfer. Impressive but difficult to play pianissimo with the light touch, not a very subtle patch IMHO, but still nice wink
3. Shigeru Kawai very wide-ranging, nice and clear piano sound, but again, difficult to play ppp.
4. The brand new EX to the Max very deep basses, nice discant (trebles), I use it with heavy, not heavy+ (too easy to play soft with that)
5. Red Piano Niiiice, I love playing Elton John, Billy Joel etc.... Put on some weird glasses and you're there. Great patch!
6. Supertramp 'Dreamer' Wurli sounds just like them yippie
7. Heavy amped Rhodes has cost me a glass already wow
8. Hollywood Strings play two quick notes (D & F for instance) in the basses and you have the 'Jaws' theme! eek

Seriously, this is impressive stuff and a great plus to the basic sound library of the CA63/93
I find this thread highly informative and amusing at the same time. May it long continue! thumb thumb TADUTCHMAN
If only I knew what stretch tuning does??? blush cool
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/26/10 05:50 PM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
After playing my new CA93 for a couple of days now (love it!), here are my first (non-professional) impressions of the layered sounds (and I've tried them all! whistle ):
...fulfilling all of the criteria as stated here at once:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1509389.html#Post1509389

Thanks a lot for your feedback, vabejas! If you want to save your user memory settings, just check out Chapter 10, page 53 of the user manual, it's quite easy (once you know it). Following in the footsteps of Pinipon, you are hereby the second CA93/CA63 owner to be promoted to:

Kawai CA93/CA63 custom presets reviewer thumb
That's some incredibly quick pioneering, having owned your CA93 for only a few days!

Originally Posted By: vabejas
Seriously, this is impressive stuff and a great plus to the basic sound library of the CA63/93
I find this thread highly informative and amusing at the same time. May it long continue! thumb thumb TADUTCHMAN
If only I knew what stretch tuning does??? blush cool
Thanks again! Some related info on stretch tuning is given here:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1534373.html#Post1534373
If I recall correctly, CyberGene also commented on stretch tuning in this thread.
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/26/10 06:47 PM

Stretched tuning is basically a tuning where the highest notes are tuned slightly higher than the mathematical values and the lowest notes are similarly tuned slightly lower in order to compensate for certain string irregularities (where higher overtones are not an exact factor of the fundamental but get slightly higher) and thus provide better overtone matching which arguably creates better sounding intervals. You can easily hear the difference if you play simultaneously the middle C and one of the higher C-s or E-s (for a major third across octaves) and switching between wide and normal. Stretched tuning sounds more lively when playing solo piano but can cause you troubles when played in ensemble with other instruments because it's mainly string instruments that posses that irregularity.

In short: use stretched (wide) when playin solo and equal (normal) when playing with other instruments.
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/27/10 02:52 AM

Thanks for your detailed explanation Cybergene, I'll try it out, still learning all this. wink
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/27/10 02:56 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
If you want to save your user memory settings, just check out Chapter 10, page 53 of the user manual, it's quite easy (once you know it).

Thanks for that TAD, I'll check it out!
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/27/10 02:59 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Following in the footsteps of Pinipon, you are hereby the second CA93/CA63 owner to be promoted to:

Kawai CA93/CA63 custom presets reviewer thumb

Wow, really? blush I accept! laugh
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/28/10 03:10 PM

After seeing and hearing this guy live in Antwerp by coincidence yesterday, for a short moment I thought of the DIRTY UPRIGHT ROCK preset: wink

Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/28/10 06:06 PM

Hi TAD,

I like the C7 and RX-7 patches but the EX TO THE MAX R1.0 shocked wow is a really gorgeous sound thumb and goes directly to my favorites: I like to play it with half-open and open lid wink
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/28/10 06:44 PM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
(...) 8 available spots are for sure not enough! (...)


+1

I think all CA93/63 owners agree with that: an "USB Settings Loader" would be a very useful feature, brings an added value to the instrument and has been requested for several months ago whistle but unfortunately Kawai will not develop this feature frown maybe Kawai James could tell us something about it...
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/28/10 06:59 PM

Well, I'm obviously not going to promise anything, however let's just see what happens in 2011. wink

James
x
Posted by: ripe_md

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/30/10 06:17 AM

Hello,

after some background discussions with TADutchman I would like to share with you a PDF document collecting all
Kawai CA93/CA63 Custom Dual Voice Mode Presets.

I will update the document on a regular basis and provide the updates in this thread. I'm aware of the Google Docs document another user posted earlier, but for me it was more convenient to have a proper printout in my hands while sitting at my piano.

Looking forward to your feedback either via PM or within this thread.

ripe_md

Update: Now it's linking to commercial-free box.net. I will use that one also for future updates.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/30/10 06:44 AM

Originally Posted By: ripe_md
after some background discussions with TADutchman I would like to share with you a PDF document collecting all
Kawai CA93/CA63 Custom Dual Voice Mode Presets.

Thanks for your initiative, ripe_md. This compact presentation format comes in quite handy! cool
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/30/10 11:30 AM

Originally Posted By: ripe_md
for me it was more convenient to have a proper printout in my hands while sitting at my piano.


me too! I like your doc, it's very useful to have all settings for fast reading and it have piano and e-piano separated sections: nice job thumb
another tool to enjoy the features of our instrument...
Posted by: Stilgar

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/30/10 02:25 PM

Hi, for some reason I couldn't download your pdf. The site gave me an error in german when I tried to use a free account...

Otherwise, the google docs documents can be printed on 1 page containing all the settings (just use print or "download as pdf" to get a printable pdf). However, it is incomplete.

Cédric
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/30/10 04:56 PM

Originally Posted By: ripe_md
Hello,

after some background discussions with TADutchman I would like to share with you a PDF document collecting all
Kawai CA93/CA63 Custom Dual Voice Mode Presets.

I will update the document on a regular basis and provide the updates in this thread. I'm aware of the Google Docs document another user posted earlier, but for me it was more convenient to have a proper printout in my hands while sitting at my piano.

Looking forward to your feedback either via PM or within this thread.

ripe_md


Back from a few days skiing guys, thanks a lot for the pdf ripe_md! thumb very useful document.

I wish you all a great 2011 with lots of CA63/93 presets, love them!
Jasper
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/30/10 07:02 PM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
BTW A nice trick with visitors: play your favourite piece on the standard grand piano sound and ask them if they like it: they all do (so far). Then play the opening bars of Rach's 2nd Concerto (that's all I can play from this piece btw sick ) with the Brutal Bösendorfer patch to make them fall of their chairs. whistle
Originally Posted By: vabejas
2. Bösendorfer. Impressive but difficult to play pianissimo with the light touch, not a very subtle patch IMHO, but still nice wink

The BRUTAL BASS BÖSENDORFER is indeed not intended to be subtle in any kind of way, more like blowing everything else out of the water, so let's keep it that way! grin


Originally Posted By: vabejas
3. Shigeru Kawai very wide-ranging, nice and clear piano sound, but again, difficult to play ppp.

The SHIGERU KAWAI CONCERT GRAND on the other hand just has to be perfect, it's in the name! Therefore, I've added a preset variation to also accomodate for heavy touch. Just let me know what you think of that: Happy New Year to everybody! smile

I've waited with sharing this patch until after midnight, otherwise ripe_md would have to directly update the preset list on the day of public release. By the way, please help him (and yourself) by checking for any remaining typos in the preset list, in order to iron them out before the next update.
In case you happen to prefer Google Docs, then you could add some of your favourites to Stilgar's list. Talking about good intentions for 2011. wink


SHIGERU KAWAI CONCERT GRAND R2.0 - HEAVY TOUCH EDITION

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 7 + Concert Grand, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low 0, mid +1, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 5
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/31/10 06:33 AM

Originally Posted By: Pinipon
...the EX TO THE MAX R1.0 shocked wow is a really gorgeous sound thumb and goes directly to my favorites

Hi Pini, glad you like the Christmas gift!

Looking backwards, I really enjoyed working on this 2010 paper together: http://www.attacca.eu/images/settings_CA63_93.pdf

Maybe we could think of doing something like that in 2011 again, with a slightly different focus? smile
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/01/11 09:12 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
...

SHIGERU KAWAI CONCERT GRAND R2.0 - HEAVY TOUCH EDITION

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 7 + Concert Grand, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low 0, mid +1, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 5

wow nice one TAD, it really sings with the heavy touch, thanks!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/02/11 11:46 AM

Talking of singing: what about a convincing acoustic guitar? No pitch bends, but still very expressive picking and strumming, playing open voices with sustain pedal! cool


ACOUSTIC GUITAR WITH BODY R1.0

Dual Voice: Ballad Guitar, volume 7 + Modern Piano, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid +4, high +6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Tremolo, rate 3, depth 1
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/02/11 02:41 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman

ACOUSTIC GUITAR WITH BODY R1.0

I've just tried it, bravo! For sure an improvement on the standard guitar sound, much richer. Guitar sounds are difficult on most DP's. I've tweaked the balance to 2-8 (a bit less piano). If you hit the 6th string (low E) hard, it gives you a nice distorted sound cool
Another useful preset, thank you TAD!
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/02/11 03:05 PM

I've just uploaded my first Youtube video with the Steinway CA93 (so far my favourite) preset.
This is how I did it:
Not liking the result of the internal USB recording, even in WAV mode, I've used my faithful Zoom H2 behind the Soundboard, wav 44hz/16bit, mic height 20cm below the edge, then Audacity, just normalizing, I've synchronized the sound with the iMovie HD vid. The result is to be judged for yourself..., anyway it comes nowhere near to the real thing live.
My playing is a bit rusty as well, having been away from the piano for a long time.
I've chosen this Schumann piece because it stays away from extremes (basses and trebles) so the singing quality of the Steinway patch should come out pure.
Let me know what you think...
Schumann Kinderszenen
I intend to upload more with different settings, to compare the dual voice piano presets (I'm kind of addicted to the Fazioli patch as well) cool ,
Best regards,
Jasper
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/02/11 05:45 PM

Thanks for your video, vabejas! cool Despite of the obvious H2 recording limitations, your authentic playing style sounds great in combination with the Steinway patch. By the way, I'm curious what the differences would be like if you could also record at the players' position (close to your head)...
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/03/11 12:23 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
... By the way, I'm curious what the differences would be like if you could also record at the players' position (close to your head)...

Thank you TAD, and thanks for the tip, good idea, I'll try your proposed position with the same piece and preset, maybe the result will be less boomy in the basses.
I have no experience with recording piano yet, just trying different settings. My classical guitar recordings are much appreciated on youtube btw, even with the Zoom H2! wink Oops, slightly going off-topic here... whistle
Posted by: ripe_md

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/03/11 10:25 AM

Here you can find the latest update to the CA93/CA63 list of presets. It includes the latest presets from TADutchman as well as some minor updates.

I've added a new column to highlight those settings which are new, moved or updated since the last release. It should make life easier to find the modified presets.

Have fun with the presets....
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/03/11 10:55 AM

ripe_md, this is a great overview! Thanks for compiling this!
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/03/11 11:04 AM

Thank you Ripe-md!Nice work!
Jasper
Posted by: ripe_md

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/03/11 11:36 AM

Good to know that you like the format of the preset list. If you have any comments or suggestions feel free to contact me.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/09/11 07:17 AM

Great stuff, ripe_md!
Let's add some more, first thinking of one of the funkiest pop pianos ever: cool smokin


DOES BECHSTEIN RING A BELL? R1.0

Dual Voice: Modern Piano, volume 5 + Pop Piano, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +1, mid -1, high -5

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 9
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 2
Posted by: ripe_md

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/10/11 04:28 AM

All previous and future versions of the Kawai CA93/CA63 Custom Dual Voice Mode Presets Lists are available under this URL.

Please check on a regular basis, as I will update the list as soon as TADutchman shares his newest creations! So it's not longer necessary to make a posting for each update of the list.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/10/11 02:08 PM

Originally Posted By: ripe_md
All previous and future versions of the Kawai CA93/CA63 Custom Dual Voice Mode Presets Lists are available under this URL.

Please check on a regular basis, as I will update the list as soon as TADutchman shares his newest creations! So it's not longer necessary to make a posting for each update of the list.

Excellent, I'll add the presets link to the very first post of this thread. thumb
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/10/11 03:46 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Originally Posted By: ripe_md
All previous and future versions of the Kawai CA93/CA63 Custom Dual Voice Mode Presets Lists are available under this URL.

Please check on a regular basis, as I will update the list as soon as TADutchman shares his newest creations! So it's not longer necessary to make a posting for each update of the list.

Excellent, I'll add the presets link to the very first post of this thread. thumb


Brilliant service! thumb
And thanks TAD for the new Bechstein Pop!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/14/11 11:54 AM

Now, here's a choir organ. Where you will find that big church choir is up to you! grin


BIG CHOIR ORGAN R1.0 (CA93 only)

Dual Voice: Church Organ, volume 5 + Principal Choir, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +3, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 1
2 - 5 Touch: off

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Hall 2

Effects: Delay 2, time 5, depth 10
Posted by: metallox

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/14/11 12:33 PM

Hi all, i'm a new ca93 owner from Italy.

I recently swapped my vertical acoustic piano with this CA93, but i'm not very impressed by grand piano sound (maybe i'm too used to acustic sound).

So i'm looking for the best presets for classical music. any suggestions?
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/14/11 02:23 PM

Welcome and congratulations, metallox! You came to the right place. smile
By the way, I see what you mean. I personally never use the standard factory piano setting anymore, at least not without any tweaks...

Let me recommend some selected dual voice presets that you may prefer for performing classical pieces:

* Steinway Grand Devotion R2.1 - Normal Touch Edition CA93
* Shigeru Kawai Concert Grand R2.0 - Heavy Touch Edition
* Take the EX to the Max R1.0 - Heavy(+) Touch
* Warm & Fuzzy Fazioli R2.2
* Warm Baby Medium Grand at Home R1.0

Your feedback is highly appreciated! I'll keep a few acoustic piano presets up my sleeve, in case you're not fully satisfied with at least one of these... wink
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/15/11 02:23 AM

Originally Posted By: metallox
Hi all, i'm a new ca93 owner from Italy.
...
So i'm looking for the best presets for classical music. any suggestions?

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
..
Let me recommend some selected dual voice presets that you may prefer for performing classical pieces:

* Steinway Grand Devotion R2.1 - Normal Touch Edition CA93
* Shigeru Kawai Concert Grand R2.0 - Heavy Touch Edition
* Take the EX to the Max R1.0 - Heavy(+) Touch
* Warm & Fuzzy Fazioli R2.2
* Warm Baby Medium Grand at Home R1.0
...

Welcome Metallox,
As a new CA-93 owner as well, I am really interested which of the above settings has your preference, they are all a massive improvement on the standard grand piano sound, thanks to TAD's research.
The Steinway and Fazioli have a warm, more mellow sound and I use them both when playing anything from Mozart to Debussy etc..., Steinway is very complex, with lots of string resonance.
The Shigeru lacks a little bit in body IMHO, but is very nice in the higher register, the EX is a real concert grand! I need to play more with the Warm Baby Medium Grand to form a valid opinion.
I'm sure you will enjoy these presets! cool
Jasper
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/15/11 03:06 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Now, here's a choir organ. Where you will find that big church choir is up to you! grin


BIG CHOIR ORGAN R1.0 (CA93 only)

Dual Voice: Church Organ, volume 5 + Principal Choir, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +3, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 1
2 - 5 Touch: off

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Hall 2

Effects: Delay 2, time 5, depth 10


Holy ... TAD! thumb This is an amazing boost to the built-in church organ. I'm not much of an organ player, but I think I will download some 'easy' Bach organ sheet music to give this preset the full treatment. The master volume slider needs some serious downgrading though in order to keep my neighbour as friend! grin
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/15/11 04:24 AM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
The Shigeru lacks a little bit in body IMHO, but is very nice in the higher register
You're not getting personal towards Mr. Shigeru Kawai, right? wink
I'll have another look, because this remark is of course totally unacceptable for anything bearing his name.. cool

Originally Posted By: vabejas
I need to play more with the Warm Baby Medium Grand to form a valid opinion.
Happy to hear your comments, especially concerning the dynamics. Please note that the sound signature was modelled after a K. Kawai Grand standing in a large living room in Apeldoorn. ...oh no, not my living room! laugh
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/15/11 10:09 AM

Allright, here's the update with more body, any feedback is welcome: whistle


SHIGERU KAWAI CONCERT GRAND R2.1 - HEAVY TOUCH EDITION

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 7 + Concert Grand, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid +2, high -2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 8
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 5
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/16/11 03:12 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Allright, here's the update with more body, any feedback is welcome: whistle
SHIGERU KAWAI CONCERT GRAND R2.1 - HEAVY TOUCH EDITION

Nice update TAD, thanks. It's getting there. I'll keep this one under Reg.3 ! wink
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/16/11 05:32 AM

Okay, Let's move on then and do a live take with a pop grand in a large studio room: cool


BRIGHT POP STUDIO GRAND R1.0

Dual Voice: Pop Piano, volume 2 + Studio Grand, volume 8

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -1, mid +2, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 2, time 2, depth 2
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/16/11 02:13 PM

Cybergene, Mucci, Pinipon, Vabejas & others unite: please check out whether this cool dude is good for your live and/or recording purposes! smile cool wow


AMBIENT STEINWAY EXPERIENCE R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 9 + Finger Nylon Gt., volume 1 (CA93 only) + Pick Nylon Gt., volume 1 (CA63/CA93)

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +2, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 5
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/16/11 03:08 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Cybergene, Mucci, Pinipon, Vabejas & others unite: please check out whether this cool dude is good for your live and/or recording purposes! smile cool wow


AMBIENT STEINWAY EXPERIENCE R1.0


let me see...still based on the trusted Steinway Devotion R2.1 with a few tone tweaks, dynamic voicing instead of mellow and delay 3 instead of 2, right?
After a testdrive I'm not certain which one I prefer. It has a wider tonal spectrum for sure, a profound bass, but a little less mellow than the GD Steinway maybe. It's a very nice one TAD, thanks, kind of holds the middle between the Steinway GD and the overwhelming Bösie.
I must say that my personal preference still goes to the mellow, woody sounding piano's like the Steinway GD and the Fazioli when playing classical. These two really make me forget, also because of the action, that I'm playing a DP.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/16/11 05:07 PM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
It's a very nice one TAD, thanks, kind of holds the middle between the Steinway GD and the overwhelming Bösie.
I must say that my personal preference still goes to the mellow, woody sounding piano's like the Steinway GD and the Fazioli when playing classical. These two really make me forget, also because of the action, that I'm playing a DP.

Thanks for your uplifting comments; in the meantime I believe that finally even the Bösendorfer beast has been tamed (at least when you play ppp) and in parallel has gained # sound colours: smile yippie


BRUTAL BASS BÖSENDORFER R2.2

Dual Voice: Studio Grand, volume 5 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +5 (4 for even more control), high +1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 7
2 - 3 String resonance: 7
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 3
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/17/11 02:19 PM

STOP Does this smaller sized organ STOP mean you can keep your neighbour as a friend? STOP grin wink


8' PIPE ORGAN R1.0 (CA93 only)

Dual Voice: Diapason, volume 6 + 4' Drawbar , volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +4, high -2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 5 Touch: off
2 - 6 Temperament: werckmeister

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 6

Reverb: Hall 1

Effects: Delay 3, time 5, depth 5
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/17/11 03:06 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
[/quote]
... in the meantime I believe that finally even the Bösendorfer beast has been tamed (at least when you play ppp) and in parallel has gained # sound colours: smile yippie


BRUTAL BASS BÖSENDORFER R2.2



Oh yes, it's like a circus lion now, still dangerous, but with the right training, it can be a pussycat as well! laugh
Nice update again, I like it! thumb
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/17/11 03:20 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
...

8' PIPE ORGAN R1.0 (CA93 only)
...


I love this new organ, very smooth and deep, thumb indeed! Should be great for organ players to put these two (big church organ and this new pipe) in their presets and switch between them.

Thanks as well for the ultra-speedy update of the setting file, super stuff!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/18/11 01:31 PM

Thanks, and also to ripe_md for his swift list update! smile

Any fans in da house for electrostatic pick-ups? smokin


AMPED HOHNER PIANET T R1.0

Dual Voice: Classic E-piano, volume 6 + Modern E.P. 3 (CA93 only) + Modern E.P. 2 (CA63/CA93), volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: light

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Stage

Effects: Tremolo, rate 5, depth 10
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/18/11 02:14 PM

Let's use some more fuzzy logic to get those complex but wonderful non-orthogonal CA93/CA63 parameters up and grooving, YEAH! crazy sick mad cool


FUNKY HOHNER CLAVINET D6 R1.0

Dual Voice: Clavi, volume 5 + Classic E-piano, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +2, high -5

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: light

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage / Room 2

Effects: Chorus, rate 1, depth 1
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/18/11 03:08 PM

Too bad that CA63 owners don't have an octaved harpsichord at their disposal, right? wink WRONG!!! (...and it's arguably way better than the CA93 single voice version)


OCTOPUSSED HARPSICHORD R1.0

Dual Voice: Harpsichord, volume 6 + Harpsichord, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: Bass boost

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright1
2 - 5 Touch: off

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 1

Effects: none
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/18/11 04:31 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman

AMPED HOHNER PIANET T R1.0

Good one! Beatles used it in 'I am the Walrus'!
It's a keeper!
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/18/11 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
...
FUNKY HOHNER CLAVINET D6 R1.0
...


Very Stevie Wonder!
Maybe a bit much of the reverb thing, I like it dry!
Thanks for another gorgeous patch! cool
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/18/11 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Too bad that CA63 owners don't have an octaved clavichord at their disposal, right? wink WRONG!!! (...and it's arguably way better than the CA93 single voice version)


OCTOPUSSED CLAVICHORD R1.0
...

How did you get this idea???? wink wink

Great settings thumb , however I need to give you a quick lecture on these old instruments! whistle smile
The clavichord was the predecessor of the harpsichord. It had a single keyboard and sounded of course very different from the twin-keyboard harpsichord.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/18/11 05:26 PM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
The clavichord was the predecessor of the harpsichord. It had a single keyboard and sounded of course very different from the twin-keyboard harpsichord.

You're quite right, mixing and blending the name of a clavinet with a harpsichord does not render a clavichord, especially since that voice doesn't even exist in the CA93/C63 soundlist. It does render something else (you'll hear about that one later), but I'd better call it a day for now! blush grin wink
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/18/11 05:39 PM

Hi TAD, since the Bechstein last week you're going with 9 new settings in one single week!!! As someone said before: "Man, you are a machine!!! thumb "
Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to try all of them, but I'm impatient to take a time very soon...

Since I've the TAKE EX TO THE MAX heavy touch version in the "autoload" (1-10 User Memory) I like it every time even more: this setting have an incredible playability from pp to ff entire range, very good dynamics and tone colors, enough deep bass, "clean" mid and high tones (it makes me to remember dewdrops rolling out of a petal), no "Yamaha bells" laugh ha wink , and you can get "soft mellow" sound in pp, and progressively growing to "soft bright" and "studio-like" sound in f-ff ...

This setting is one of the best setting to me. If I should choose, this setting would be one of my top 3 and it's a very nice christmas gift, thanks TAD once again wink
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/18/11 06:05 PM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
Originally Posted By: TADutchman

... in the meantime I believe that finally even the Bösendorfer beast has been tamed (at least when you play ppp) and in parallel has gained # sound colours: smile yippie


BRUTAL BASS BÖSENDORFER R2.2



Oh yes, it's like a circus lion now, still dangerous, but with the right training, it can be a pussycat as well! laugh
Nice update again, I like it! thumb


I would say the previous versions is not for everyone because the p-pp playability is not the best, indeed. But this setting have a very beautiful sound, and what it is very funny is you can get a nice wooden soundboard resonant effect as more as you play f-ff.

I'm still impatient to play "with" this R2.2 new beast grin
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/19/11 04:20 AM

@TAD, thank you, very nice and fresh sounding patches. But you know what - I still love your original "good old" Steinway patch the most! That's what I play most of the time without headphones. With headphones on I usually just take the original single layer Concert Grand with some additional reverb.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/19/11 05:33 AM

Originally Posted By: mucci
@TAD, thank you, very nice and fresh sounding patches. But you know what - I still love your original "good old" Steinway patch the most!

You're welcome! Yes, I remember, that Steinway patch was love at first sight for you. cool It's nice to see that the huge amount of diversity in sound signatures offered now makes every individual make his/her own personal choices. smile

By the way, just curious: is the Steinway just too much for your headphones or do you experience a fundamental difference in perception compared to playing live? help wink
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/19/11 05:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Pinipon
Hi TAD, since the Bechstein last week you're going with 9 new settings in one single week!!! As someone said before: "Man, you are a machine!!! thumb "
Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to try all of them, but I'm impatient to take a time very soon...

Since I've the TAKE EX TO THE MAX heavy touch version in the "autoload" (1-10 User Memory) I like it every time even more: this setting have an incredible playability from pp to ff entire range, very good dynamics and tone colors, enough deep bass, "clean" mid and high tones (it makes me to remember dewdrops rolling out of a petal), no "Yamaha bells" laugh ha wink , and you can get "soft mellow" sound in pp, and progressively growing to "soft bright" and "studio-like" sound in f-ff ...

This setting is one of the best setting to me. If I should choose, this setting would be one of my top 3 and it's a very nice christmas gift, thanks TAD once again wink

You're welcome, just take your time to digest all those new and spicy harmonics and report back to us whenever you like. whistle cool
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/19/11 05:47 AM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Too bad that CA63 owners don't have an octaved harpsichord at their disposal, right? wink WRONG!!! (...and it's arguably way better than the CA93 single voice version)


OCTOPUSSED HARPSICHORD R1.0
...

How did you get this idea???? wink wink

Great settings thumb

Thanks, I guess it's your 'fault', look what happened (just kidding), and there's more upcoming (not kidding). grin
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/19/11 07:12 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman

By the way, just curious: is the Steinway just too much for your headphones or do you experience a fundamental difference in perception compared to playing live? help wink


I like the somehow much improved richness and a little bit less brilliant sound character of the Steinway and the way the resonance is sounding through the loudspeakers (remember I have a CA63, maybe that's different with CA93's soundboard). It adds a lot to the otherwise more "neutral" (not really thin) sound. By using headphones, it's, like you said, a little bit too much. So you can see, the perception of sound is quite a bit different depending on using headphones or loudspeakers.
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/19/11 08:06 AM

Originally Posted By: mucci
Originally Posted By: TADutchman

By the way, just curious: is the Steinway just too much for your headphones or do you experience a fundamental difference in perception compared to playing live? help wink


I like the somehow much improved richness and a little bit less brilliant sound character of the Steinway and the way the resonance is sounding through the loudspeakers (remember I have a CA63, maybe that's different with CA93's soundboard). It adds a lot to the otherwise more "neutral" (not really thin) sound. By using headphones, it's, like you said, a little bit too much. So you can see, the perception of sound is quite a bit different depending on using headphones or loudspeakers.

Agree, too much for my headphones (B&W P5) anyway, I play mostly live - friendly neighbour wink. The Shigeru or EXmax (brilliant patch!) work best for me when playing with headphones.

Mucci and Pinipon (and others of course), at occasion, I would really like to have your view on the new Ambient Steinway Experience R1.0. I'm starting to really appreciate it, a bit less muffled than the Steinway Grand Devotion, but still with the richness and acoustic subtlety, so much a feature of the Steinway GD.
Mind you, I use the Finger Nylon Gt (CA-93) but I doubt it makes a big difference with the Pick Nylon Guitar.

TAD 'The Machine' is doing a fantastic job, isn't he, the guys at Kawai owe you a few beers I guess (why not a Shigeru if they're generous!) cool

My Grand Piano Top favourites so far in order:

* Steinway Grand Devotion R.2.1 (for live pure classical pieces)
* Take the Ex to the Max R1.0 - heavy touch (half open lid): as an all round versatile Grand (Classical and Modern repertoire)
* Ambient Steinway Experience R1.0: Try it!
* Warm & Fuzzy Fazioli R2.2: ever played Debussy's Clair de Lune on it? Beautiful.
* Shigeru Kawai R2.1 Heavy Touch: much deeper after latest update
* Brutal Bösendorfer R2.2: better than ever but still not my favourite, too aggressive. But it should be different so that's cool.

Helloo Kawai: I need more preset space!!
Last night I was dreaming of Kawai-Ipod/Ipad USB compatibility and a small app to store and load the presets! How nice would that be! wow

Keep them coming TAD!

Regards,
Jasper

Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/19/11 09:33 AM

Most of the time I am practising at night with headphones and I find all layered patches unacceptable because of the phasey sound produced in the headphones.

From time to time I play on speakers and I have experimented with TADutchman's patches and it's kind of fun smile That's say 10% of the time and mostly for the sake of change. As mucci, I prefer the Steinway patch but it depends on the music I am playing.

However, in the other 90% of the time (and regardless of whether I am playing with headphones or speakers), I use the default Concert Grand sound with all settings and parameters with their default values including "normal touch", with the exception of tone set to "mellow 2", stretched tuning set to "wide" and reverb set to "hall 2". As you may know, I used to play with heavy touch because of too harsh velocity jumps, however I realized the better way for fixing that is to switch tone to "mellow 2" instead of using heavy touch.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/19/11 09:57 AM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
Most of the time I am practising at night with headphones and I find all layered patches unacceptable because of the phasey sound produced in the headphones.

I have a few questions:
1. What headphones are you using?
2. Do you use an external headphone amp or else do you use low/high impedance settings?
3. Where does the phasey sound come from in your opinion? E.g. it can hardly be the voice layering itself in case of the layered Steinway patch, as there is a volume ratio of 9:1 between the mellow grand and the picked nylon gt (CA63). Simple test: go to single voice mode by leaving out the picked nylon gt. Do you still hear phasing?
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/19/11 10:16 AM

My headphones are very humble and cheap Sony MDR-XD300. Maybe I'll upgrade them in future with AKG or Sennheiser.

Regarding the phasey sound, I can't tell you exactly if it is indeed a difference in the sound phases. I can't hear it immediately when playing tone by tone and if I listen to the sound specifically. However when I begin playing real music I get the persistent sensation as if two instruments are being played in unison but rather incongruous. Well, two instruments are indeed being played in unison and that's what layered sounds are smile But in that case it's rather unpleasant (I am talking about the layered patches which pretend to produce a single piano tone, not piano-pad types and so on). That's not the case with speakers where layered sounds seem OK. And I am able to detect that even on the Steinway patch, despite it having a guitar sound in 1/9 ratio to the piano sound. It may be my headphones though. It would be interesting if other people can detect anything like that with their headphones.

In any case, TADutchamn, I don't want to criticize your patches smile They are great and as I said it's fun to play with them smile Keep on doing your great work! smile
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/19/11 10:51 AM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
...
Regarding the phasey sound, I can't tell you exactly if it is indeed a difference in the sound phases. ... It may be my headphones though. It would be interesting if other people can detect anything like that with their headphones.
...

No Cybergene, the layered sounds are all very unison in my case, but I do turn the main volume down to 3,5 when playing on headphones.
Maybe my ears are less developed! wink
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/19/11 03:22 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
You're quite right, mixing and blending the name of a clavinet with a harpsichord does not render a clavichord, especially since that voice doesn't even exist in the CA93/C63 soundlist. It does render something else (you'll hear about that one later)
Many inventions actually originate from making a mistake first. Although I don't expect Christofori to have invented the pianoforte by coincidence, for the CA93/CA63 I did! cool


BARTOLOMEO CRISTOFORI - 1700 PIANOFORTE R1.0

Dual Voice: Clavi, volume 4 + Harpsichord 2, volume 6

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid +6, high +3
1 - 7 Tuning: 427 Hz (min. value, should probably be 417/415 Hz or even lower)

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: heavy+ (closed lid), heavy (half open lid), normal (open lid)
2 - 6 Temperament: meantone

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Stage

Effects: none
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/19/11 04:44 PM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
I use the default Concert Grand sound with all settings and parameters with their default values

.. I can't believe shocked

I already not use the default settings since more than 6 months... I don't remember how it sounds cool , I'm always playing with dual voices
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/19/11 06:05 PM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
My headphones are very humble and cheap Sony MDR-XD300. Maybe I'll upgrade them in future with AKG or Sennheiser.

Regarding the phasey sound, I can't tell you exactly if it is indeed a difference in the sound phases. I can't hear it immediately when playing tone by tone and if I listen to the sound specifically. However when I begin playing real music I get the persistent sensation as if two instruments are being played in unison but rather incongruous. Well, two instruments are indeed being played in unison and that's what layered sounds are smile But in that case it's rather unpleasant (I am talking about the layered patches which pretend to produce a single piano tone, not piano-pad types and so on). That's not the case with speakers where layered sounds seem OK. And I am able to detect that even on the Steinway patch, despite it having a guitar sound in 1/9 ratio to the piano sound. It may be my headphones though. It would be interesting if other people can detect anything like that with their headphones.


Hi CyberGene,
I play 60% of time with headphones: I'm using AKG 701 directly plug in the instrument. I only need to set 1-5 Phones vol. = high and don't need to change the master volume [4.5 to 5] when I'm playing with speakers.

Regarding the phasey sound, it's normal you detect both voices in some patches, but you have to hear the overall sound together... keep in mind the main target is to produce a completely new piano sound IMHO much more beautiful than the default settings. Of course, everyone is free to keep their own settings, but I'm sure you will find a good patch to your taste... maybe you could use the Random Preset Generator

For instance, what do you think about the CLASSY KAWAI RX-7 and the GOOD OLD VINTAGE GRAND settings confused wink
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/20/11 01:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Pinipon
it's normal you detect both voices in some patches, but you have to hear the overall sound together...
Right, same here for some patches, but detecting two voices (possible for the Steinway attack transient in the duplex scale if you listen VERY carefully) and hearing phasing for all patches can be two different things and i.m.h.o. it's weird that CyberGene is experiencing almost the exact opposite:

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
I can't hear it immediately when playing tone by tone and if I listen to the sound specifically. However when I begin playing real music I get the persistent sensation as if two instruments are being played in unison but rather incongruous.
I cannot prove that it's the headphones used, but I have owned at least three pairs of shitty Sony headphones myself in the past, so it's quite hard for me to stay objective when I hear the name Sony, while I'm sure they also build some high-end stuff. wink

By the way, there are only a few of my patches that, when really pushing it, can drive my HD595s (low impedance setting) to the limit at acoustic grand level (don't try this at home if you want to keep using your ears in the future). So, in practice, I have no headphone issues at all, they sound great! cool
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/20/11 02:10 AM

TADutchman, sorry for the offtopic but I would like to ask what headphones people are using with their CA63/93 and whether they are happy and would recommend them. Mine even vibrate and resonate for some frequencies and I am determined to taking better ones.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/20/11 03:09 AM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
I would like to ask what headphones people are using with their CA63/93 and whether they are happy and would recommend them. Mine even vibrate and resonate for some frequencies and I am determined to taking better ones.
Sure, no problem, be my guest (after I selected the HD595s, my Kawai dealer told me that he uses the same cans at home for his pleasure).
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/23/11 03:48 AM

Today is Sunday, so it's not too difficult to find a big church choir in the neighbourhood that sings along with the Big Choir Organ R1.0 and can fully saturate your ears. shocked grin


EAR SATURATING CHURCH CHOIR R1.0

Dual Voice: Choir, volume 7 + Pop Aah, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +4, mid +6, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Hall 2

Effects: Delay 3, time 6, depth 10
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/23/11 07:34 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Today is Sunday, so it's not too difficult to find a big church choir in the neighbourhood that sings along with the Big Choir Organ R1.0 and can fully saturate your ears. shocked grin


EAR SATURATING CHURCH CHOIR R1.0...


Halleluja! Good one TAD!
Posted by: ripe_md

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/23/11 10:28 AM

Coincidentally I own the same headphones as TADutchman: Sennheiser HD595.
I own them since two years and I'm quite happy with them. So far I haven't recognized anything unusual while using them with my CA93. Most probably my ears are too dirty. wink

By the way, I've just updated and uploaded the latest version of the preset list!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/25/11 09:15 AM

Originally Posted By: ripe_md
Coincidentally I own the same headphones as TADutchman: Sennheiser HD595.
I own them since two years and I'm quite happy with them. So far I haven't recognized anything unusual while using them with my CA93. Most probably my ears are too dirty. wink
If someone claims to have 'cleaner' ears than ripe_md and me (and a higher budget) then why not go for the HD650, which has been used during the CA93 review, referred to in the first post of this thread. Don't know if it would improve audio quality even further though, as high-impedance settings are needed (i.e. resulting in less internal CA93/CA63 headphone amp overhead).

Originally Posted By: ripe_md
By the way, I've just updated and uploaded the latest version of the preset list!
Thanks! In case one of you missed it last time: a direct link to the preset list is to be found in the first post of this thread too.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/26/11 07:21 AM

Well, well, look what the cat (or should I say guinea-pig) dragged in this time, an in-depth Kawai MP10 review in Dutch/French! shocked
http://www.meetmusic.com/NL/archivedetail.asp?id=1300&subrubriek=3
http://www.meetmusic.com/FR/archivedetail.asp?id=1300&subrubriek=3

Why? For fun of course, sharing the same advanced RM3 action and UPHI sampling technology with the CA93 / CA63 (no let-off). Nevertheless, also have a look at the role of Michael Kunz, not mentioned as product manager (reference: http://www.tastenwelt.de/interview_michael_kunz.0.html) in this review, but as 'principal designer' of the MP10! Does this perhaps explain why Kawai Europe has not been overly enthusiastic so far with the focus here on CA93/CA63 dual voice layering of piano voices (the MP10 cannot do this) and any serious firmware requests from customers for the CA93/CA63 in general (of which many I saw being implemented in the MP10 instead)? confused cry
Let's shake the tree! wink


Anyway, here's a funny, bad English Google translation of the MP10 review:

Kawai MP10

[Author: Hans Ijzerman] [Edition: Nr.265 - January 2011]
(The article can be found in Meet Music Magazine edition, you can get for free at over 650 distribution outlets in the Benelux. Click here to know them.)


In a quiet Thursday morning, I went to the headquarters of Kawai in Krefeld, Germany, which threw invited to discover the new Kawai MP10. It is with great pleasure that jai met the new workhorse of the mark. The principal designer of Kawai MP10, Michael Kunz, together with my enthusiasm in the grip of this digital piano internship as sil sagissait his own baby.

General


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Kawai has always been, unfortunately, a position doutsider in the world of professional brands. Yamaha and Roland are still considered the reference marks when he sagit piano internship. Yet it is clear that Kawai has done his best to convince the new MP10 demmener pianists on stage with them for their upcoming concerts. This is especially evident in how they propose solutions to the problems most often encountered on stage, and too often forgotten in the design dun instrument. Kawai took steps to ensure their digital pianos offer the quality quila with their acoustic pianos with an experience of over 80 years.

Construction


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The MP10 is a piano internship robust, reliable and aesthetically, we even tried to simulate the reflection of your hands on the cover of the keyboard in open position (a detail which could be found on many acoustic pianos). After the keys, there is a raised area on which we find the control panel of the piano. It is what allows you to see your fingers playing on a black lacquered space, just as you can see them playing on an acoustic piano. You can call me crazy, but this looks really part of the fun way.The dimensions of MP10 are 1380mm x 427.5 mm x 184.5 mm, with a weight of 31.8 kg. And yes, you read that right: 31.8 kg, rather beefy type, then. And that obviously the keyboard sexplique board, which is very high. It's so sagit downside when we want to create a simulation as realistic as possible the game dun acoustic piano. This is reflected in the choice of materials, and thus in the total weight of linstrument.Le MP10 is equipped with a keyboard RM3 Grand simulation with improper exhaust. Lon and particularly appreciates that this keyboard is made of the finest materials: the game is really fun. The 88 keys are made of quality wood covered with plastic dune Ivory Touch. This new plastic absorbs perspiration, which provides traction and grip with perfect touches.Tout else like many digital pianos, the MP10 is equipped with wooden side panels pretty red dun brown, which seems to be an important aspect to address. Sagit it was the part most exposed and most sensitive to shocks of any piano, especially when playing with on stage ... and yet marks didn t yet found a solution for this. Cest shame! But the MP10 has also for a black metal case that is very attractive, but which results quil particularly attracts dust and lon must always have a rag handy for nettoyer.Le panel is very well thought out and invites directly to get to work, and even without the operating instructions supplied with lengin. There are also pdf versions of the manual in many languages www.kawai.de. The manual has 88 pages and reads very easily, even sil has a lot of typos. The screen center, pretty basic, can follow the menus so fluid and very intuitive.Kawai series provides a module F-20 twin pedal that reacts very well with solid colors that you bring to your game, in addition to an t-score. This music stand offers enough despace top for 4 sheets next to each other, giving also a nice solid feel.

Opportunities


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The MP10 offers a beautiful polyphony of 192 notes, thus guaranteeing you never see the problem. Loffre standard sound is not huge in comparison with other brands that will overwhelm the more different sounds. You can choose from 27 sounds, split into sections piano, e. piano and sub, which is actually more than enough. In addition to numerous changes you can make to their standard, such as 7 types of reverb, 25 types effects processor, a 3-band eq (CC adaptation that allows the media) and 6 damplis simulations for section e. piano, there are still dun setting called Virtual Technician for the piano section. The Virtual Technician feature allows you to CC adaptation everything possible in an original acoustic piano. This will slowdown hammers up to the resonance of the strings, and ... linton same hammer heads can resolve. You really have to adapt these elements to realize quaucun piano nest exactly the same quune other. It is even possible to modify certain parameters that lon can not accommodate a piano acoustique.A rear of the piano can find all the necessary connections, and lon quickly realizes that the designers have thought of everything that could facilitate pianist's life or the person responsible for PA. Very often it happens that lon must connect the cables so that lon has already taken place at the piano, so that no longer sees lon lon sure where to insert a cable in particular. Kawai helps you mentioning on the top of the piano which he entered or left sagit. Possible to make mistakes, you can even see in full concert you've placed the jack on the pedal in the wrong entry and editing. Clearly seen from Kawai! From left to right are: input L / Mono & R jacks, output L / Mono & R jacks, a ground lift switch for XLR-outputs L & R that are responsible for lenvoi dun and balanced audio signal without interference, USB MIDI connection to host and MIDI through three connections, in & out, a connection for a pedal exp dexpression, a connection fsw for a pedal footswitch connection damper / soft for the F-20 pedal module provided a power switch and power connection. A washing, you can still find a connection and a headset to plug USB device. Kawai offers the possibility of (for connections jack) DISPATCH both two channels (L & R) mono. To report this detail? Suppose you give a concert in a place where you do not have much material and you must provide your own return, and although you can send your signal to the mono sound and send another single line to your monitor, so you do not davoir signal split in two. And if you use the XLR outputs, master volume slider didn't dinfluence on the volume, allowing the facade to make it independently mix audio signals based reçus.Autre positive: the ability to connect a USB key that lets you direct your registrar, duly piano performances to mp3 (192kbit / s) or uncompressed WAV format! This allows you to process, send your game to hear .. In short, the possibilities are enormous. It is even possible to play audio nimporte what you put on your USB drive. In the field, Kawai is a pioneering field thus values and plug n play technology soared. Of course, you can simply save the MIDI format, to be precise and up to 90 000 notes, so what you see coming!

Answer + sound


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As I reported lai can find on the keyboard RM3 MP10, which creates a very nice gaming experience The keyboard itself gives a greater sense of lightness that a genuine grand piano, which is actually pretty normal if dun digital piano. Yet field thus values Ivory Touch brings a very realistic feeling, especially because you dont ever limpression that your fingers could slide keys. Note that the MP10 has a very small gap in the field of play extremely quiet. It is not possible that lon datteindre called null, which means in fact that he is not extremely low DPress buttons without quune sound is produced. Problem? Well, those who are accustomed to go to extremes on a grand piano and acoustic, for example, want to play certain parts of the classical composer Ligeti risk dêtre a bit confused. But the vast majority of pianists will never be faced with the problem and it will not pose a problem for them. Beyond that, keyboard provides incredible benefits fair in all the nuances that lon wishes to apply to music. The touch is impeccable, both in serious Laigue, as the slight resistance that lon feels during the game: it neither has any technical deficiency that could affect you in your interpretation. Legato, staccato, martellato, pianissimo, fortissimo, everything is perfectly reflected in a perfectly consistent. A keyboard like this is rarely found in a digital piano, which is quite a shame when you see the same amount of fun and virtuosity that can offer musicien.Le MP10 is equipped with an advanced stage of a function: the ability to analyzing your playing style digital piano by himself. You can, just like on digital pianos else, set the keys on standard parameters such as light and heavy, but you can also let the MP10 evolve what is the best setting for you. You play a series of loud and soft passages, and some time later, the piano offers the best setting for you. Another impressive innovation ... Another problem often encountered and managed to solve Kawai: The absence of sound signal loccasion changing of sound. With the MP10, the new sound starts when you play our first after the change. Similarly, Kawai has a lock button on the panel to dêtre sure you will not change her accidentally during your performance.Dans the field sounds, Kawai uses its Progressive Ultra Harmonic Imaging (Uphie) for provide an incredibly realistic soundstage. In fact, it is unthinkable that lon may lead to something more realistic dencore it. The design of pure tone becomes not a problem since long, but with this very advanced intentional sampling technique, sounds like resonance schedules, cracking, heat, mechanical noises have been added, which completes filing of how an acoustic grand piano sounds really. The MP10 enchanted by his performance at all sound levels, giving genuine freedom artistique.Le MP10 nembarque no internal speakers, which requires having to work with an external sound system or headphones. In both cases, the sound is pure and we note that the audio quality really is. I can not stress enough the fact that the use dun helmet must be made with utmost caution. Never leave the master volume fully open, it could cause damage to your abilities auditives.En regards sound, we find, by section nine different sounds that are divided into three categories. The piano sounds in the piano sections and e. piano styles show clearly what they are intended. The section contains sub sounds ranging from strings to Hybrid Vibraphone. In the operating instructions, there is a beautiful description of each sound. It is also possible to create layers of different sounds to quickly assemble a piano with strings, for example. You can find here the highly efficient: that lon-called field thus values dynamics. This compresses the dynamics of sub section, so that during the superposition dun dun piano or electric piano with his sub, sub sound always sounds so smooth at the back-ground. Still a very good idea of Kawai! At the extreme left is still a pitch wheel and modulation, which makes it possible to change the tone of the notes played for a short time up or down, or of application deffet a kind of vibrato with the modulation. Here too, Kawai thought to bring something Dutil. Imagine this: you must give a solo recital for an attentive audience, and by accident, you get to touch the modulation wheel, it will limpression you play on a piano in a brothel that has not been granted for a very long time. To avoid this, you can always check that the modulation is still active, with a little red light. Dil in a sudden, you know exactly if you can start your recital on heart léger.Permettez me introduce you to yet one last peculiarity quite useful: you can adjust all the sliders on the PM10 standard or wrestling. Quest does this mean? When you change your sound, your cursor is still at its high of the other. And if you adjust the sliders to catch, the volume will change only when the cursor comes to the position of the value stored in the sound. This setting is very interesting for use with the live, because it breaks the ability to avoid unwanted volume ... and undesirable.

Budget


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The amount you must pay to acquire the Kawai MP10 amounts to 2390 euro (gross price including VAT recommended) and is very correct. You certainly have a lot for your money!

Conclusion


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It seems clear that during the design of the MP10, the team Kawai spent much time learning about the needs and problems the pianists who operate regularly on stage and who are to perform in public. There are a whole series of new highly relevant in this MP10: elements that are likely to become standard for all piano internship in the future. In addition to these innovations, the fantastic keyboard RM3 is part of the absolute top in this segment. Unfortunately, this has an influence on the weight of lengin, that goal has proved quite heavy to carry. But I think most potential customers do sen worry, given the quality of lensemble. In short, leMP10 is a gem of its kind and may well leave its competitors far behind in the case of a partial direct comparison. www.kawai.de (translation: Philip Lepinois)



PRO CONTRA
• RM3 incredible keyboard with Ivory Touch
• useful innovations in the concept
• possible time registration audio in real time via USB!
• wooden side panels
• 31kg!!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/26/11 05:10 PM

Do you feel like jazz comping or improvising like Bruce Hornsby and the Range? cool whistle


THE WAY IT IS R1.0

Dual Voice: Jazz Grand, volume 7 + Jazz Grand 2, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +5, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 9
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: light (open lid), normal (half open lid), heavy (closed lid)

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 1
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/27/11 12:27 PM

I think TAD has inspired our V-piano friends on the forum.

Check this out:
V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get?

Would be kinda nice to compare the patches!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/28/11 01:31 AM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
I think TAD has inspired our V-piano friends on the forum.
Glad to help those guys out of their writer's block. grin

Originally Posted By: vabejas
Would be kinda nice to compare the patches!
Yeah, and also the V-piano's E-pianos and Organs. (not serious) wink
Okay, let's get back to business:


LYRICAL ROUND BLÜTHNER 1878 R1.0 (CA93 only)

Dual Voice: Concert Grand 2, volume 8 + New Age Piano, volume 2

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +4, mid +6, high -4
1 - 7 Tuning: 435 Hz

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 7
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 3, time 2, depth 2
Posted by: worov

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/30/11 10:50 AM

I'd love to have a preset for playing a string quartet on the CA-63. Could this be possible ? I have searched the thread but have found nothing yet.

Have you done something on this yet, TAD ?
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/30/11 01:40 PM

Originally Posted By: worov
I'd love to have a preset for playing a string quartet on the CA-63.

A special request? Okay then, for those cases where the HOLLYWOOD STRINGS R1.0 are too much. wink


DUAL VOICE STRING QUARTET R1.0

Dual Voice: Chamber Strings (CA93 only) / String Ensemble (CA63/CA93), volume 8 + Finger Bass, volume 2

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid +6, high -2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 2
Posted by: worov

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/30/11 04:02 PM

Thank you, TADutchman ! This is really good.

Another request for you.

The preset you created simulates a string orchestra. Good for several string instruments playing together.

Is it possible to have only one string instrument playing ? For instance, for Bach's Cello Suites or Violin Partitas and Sonatas.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/30/11 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By: worov
Thank you, TADutchman ! This is really good.
You're welcome, worov. smile

Originally Posted By: worov
Is it possible to have only one string instrument playing ? For instance, for Bach's Cello Suites or Violin Partitas and Sonatas.
Do you mean one type of string instrument, where several of them are playing in unison? If so, then the answer is yes. As you know solo instruments like violin or cello are not available in the voice list...

By the way, I've visited Giorgio Tommasini in Genova back in 2006 and played his Stradivari Solo Violin virtual instrument live on a keyboard at his home. cool Great stuff, but you need like 3 - 5 realtime controllers to get a fairly realistic amount of expression for soloing. Not really suited for a(ny) console type DP.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug06/articles/garritanstrad.htm
Posted by: worov

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/31/11 05:50 AM

I meant a solo instrument like violin or cello. Maybe these sounds could be found in this Garritan software, from there I could with a flash USB put them in the CA-63. I'll have to look for this.

Thank you for your help.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/04/11 06:17 PM

Given the name, this must be the worst dual voice preset I have ever made, right? grin


DRAMATIC STRING ORCHESTRA R1.0

Dual Voice: Soft Orchestra, volume 8 + Wood Bass, volume 2

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid +6, high -3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 3, time 2, depth 3
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/06/11 06:33 AM

A small update to accomodate the sense of hearing the sound indirectly when playing in church. whistle


8' PIPE ORGAN R1.1 (CA93 only)

Dual Voice: Diapason, volume 6 + 4' Drawbar , volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid -4, high -2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 5 Touch: off
2 - 6 Temperament: werckmeister

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 6

Reverb: Hall 2

Effects: Delay 3, time 5, depth 5
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/09/11 06:11 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Given the name, this must be the worst dual voice preset I have ever made, right? grin


DRAMATIC STRING ORCHESTRA R1.0...


No, it's actually one of your better ones! wink
Warm string sound, different than the Hollywood, and very loooong and gradual,thanks to delay3!
Good job TAD! thumb
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/09/11 06:17 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
A small update to accomodate the sense of hearing the sound indirectly when playing in church. whistle


8' PIPE ORGAN R1.1 (CA93 only)
...

Nice update, thanks, although for my ears the old one was already very classy.

Question for you TAD: when defining Layer Dynamics settings, how do you proceed? I've tried it, but I don't hear much difference between, let's say a 7 and 10 value. Do you have an example where the difference is really audible?
Thanks and regards,
Jasper
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/10/11 02:42 PM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
Question for you TAD: when defining Layer Dynamics settings, how do you proceed? I've tried it, but I don't hear much difference between, let's say a 7 and 10 value. Do you have an example where the difference is really audible?

Sure, there are plenty of examples I'll show you later. I'm just back in town, as today I have witnessed the anechoic room and reflection room (15 seconds T60 reverb!) of SLG near Chemnitz, albeit for a non-musical application. eek wink

Reference:
http://www.slg.de.com/slg_daten/downloads/schallschutz/PDF/freifeld_eng.pdf
Posted by: ripe_md

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/11/11 04:57 AM

I've updated the Preset List. You can find the URL in the first posting.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/12/11 05:08 AM

Well done, ripe_md thumb
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/12/11 05:17 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Originally Posted By: vabejas
Question for you TAD: when defining Layer Dynamics settings, how do you proceed? I've tried it, but I don't hear much difference between, let's say a 7 and 10 value. Do you have an example where the difference is really audible?

Sure, there are plenty of examples I'll show you later.

The maximum difference in harmonics with active layer dynamics can be heard when playing Fortissimo and especially in all those cases where the layered voice has a volume balance of (near) equal or greater loudness than the original (single) voice. cool

Just select a few velocity sensitive dual voice mode patches (i.e. no organ voices) from the presets list that meet the above criteria and I'm sure you'll be able to hear a significant difference when you change the layer dynamics parameter from 1 -> 10. Happy hunting! grin

Something else: I just noticed that you posted another performance using the Steinway Grand Devotion preset. Excellent Schumann playing style! http://www.youtube.com/user/jasvabe#p/a/u/0/tYg6d7CUHRA
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/12/11 07:03 AM

Originally Posted By: ripe_md
I've updated the Preset List. You can find the URL in the first posting.

Yep! Great work RipeMD! thumb
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/12/11 07:13 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman

The maximum difference in harmonics with active layer dynamics can be heard when playing Fortissimo and especially in all those cases where the layered voice has a volume balance of (near) equal or greater loudness than the original (single) voice. cool

Ok TAD thanks for this, I'll try it out! thumb
Originally Posted By: TADutchman

Something else: I just noticed that you posted another performance using the Steinway Grand Devotion preset. Excellent Schumann playing style! http://www.youtube.com/user/jasvabe#p/a/u/0/tYg6d7CUHRA

Thanks for the publicity, glad you enjoy it! cool
I've deleted my first YT post, didn't enjoy the recording quality with the Zoom H2 close to the piano.
So far I get best results with the direct USB WAV recording method. I don't change anything afterwards, except for Audacity normalizing. Let's say the audio outcome satisfies me for 80%: there is still a lack of transparency and room as compared to the sound I get through my headphones.
The quest for the perfect piano sound is still on! wink
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/12/11 07:33 AM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
Let's say the audio outcome satisfies me for 80%: there is still a lack of transparency and room as compared to the sound I get through my headphones.
That's right (also a lack of attack transient definition and bass). The better the headphones, the bigger the sound quality differences with direct USB recording (in its current state). I personally would estimate USB recording at only about half of the original sound quality compared to playing through my Sennheiser HD595 headphones.

Here's a reference page:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1618071/5.html

Just scroll down that page to find more posts discussing the perceived lower sound quality with USB recording.
Posted by: Dogbert

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/12/11 01:10 PM

Hi All - a newbie here who has been lurking for a while...such a great forum!

I hate to shortchange all the hard work the Dutchman has put into this patch list, but I would very much like opinions on which you think are the TOP 3 'MUST-HAVE' PIANO PATCHES.

I ask this because I've just bought a CA63 for my mother as an upgrade to an older Yamaha CLP-130. I want to add a few of these to her piano for her that will wow her (she's a technically challenged senior) and I'll only have a limited amount of time to pop them in for her.

Some variety in you recommendations would be nice (i.e. 3 tasteful differing sounds rather than 3 Steinway variations). Also, she will never be using headphones, so sounds that will work well through the stock speakers are preferred.

Thanks in advance!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/12/11 01:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Dogbert
I hate to shortchange all the hard work the Dutchman has put into this patch list, but I would very much like opinions on which you think are the TOP 3 'MUST-HAVE' PIANO PATCHES.
Hi Dogbert, don't worry about it, here's a versatile Top 3 example for classical, jazz/pop and ragtime (quite curious about other Top 3 entries):

1. STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R2.1 - normal touch edition
2. THE WAY IT IS R1.0 - half open lid
3. PUB PIANO SING-A-LONG R1.0 (Scott Joplin)

By the way, does your mother happen to like harp music too? (there are 8+1 memory slots available in total). This harp preset is supposed to sound like a CD recording from the Sint-Baafs Cathedral in Ghent (Belgium) whistle


HARDCORE HARP MEDITATION R1.0

Dual Voice: Harp, volume 8 + Pick Nylon Gt., volume 2

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid -2, high +1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: light

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effects: Delay 3, time 3, depth 4
Posted by: Dogbert

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/12/11 04:59 PM

Thanks for the suggestions Mr. Dutchman! I don't think she'd be all that interested in a Harp patch but I appreciate the thought (more likely some organ patches, since she occasional plays church music, but the built in organ presets are probably already adequate).

I have a question for you: In reviewing past threads on the CA63/93, there was some discussion about the default 'normal' touch setting as being on the sensitive side and that 'heavy' provided a more realistic response. One poster even suggested Kawai change the default setting to heavy. The thread just sort of ended without resolution but I notice that most of your piano patches use normal or even light touch settings. Could you share your thoughts on the touch levels?
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/13/11 02:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Dogbert
...more likely some organ patches, since she occasional plays church music, but the built in organ presets are probably already adequate).
Well, i.m.h.o. they are not adequate when just selected from the soundlist (no real presets). You'd better check out the optimised church organs in the Organ section of the CA93/C63 presets list. cool
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/13/11 03:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Dogbert
I have a question for you: In reviewing past threads on the CA63/93, there was some discussion about the default 'normal' touch setting as being on the sensitive side and that 'heavy' provided a more realistic response. One poster even suggested Kawai change the default setting to heavy. The thread just sort of ended without resolution but I notice that most of your piano patches use normal or even light touch settings. Could you share your thoughts on the touch levels?

Sure, the CA93/CA63 implementation of touch sensitivity is a little more complex than stated in the user manual. Why? Because also the brilliance of the sound is affected at the same time. For example, when you select heavy touch, not only the touch curve changes but also the overall sound gets darker.
Knowing this, you could select normal or light touch to get more brilliance and adjust other parameters like voicing to (at least partly) compensate for the lighter touch. (The MP10 has a separate brilliance parameter, which would come in quite handy so I've requested that towards Kawai for the CA93/CA63 firmware some time ago already).
Posted by: Dogbert

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/13/11 09:07 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman

Sure, the CA93/CA63 implementation of touch sensitivity is a little more complex than stated in the user manual. Why? Because also the brilliance of the sound is affected at the same time. For example, when you select heavy touch, not only the touch curve changes but also the overall sound gets darker.
Knowing this, you could select normal or light touch to get more brilliance and adjust other parameters like voicing to (at least partly) compensate for the lighter touch. (The MP10 has a separate brilliance parameter, which would come in quite handy so I've requested that towards Kawai for the CA93/CA63 firmware some time ago already).


Very informative response and after reviewing your patches I see that you're working the touch, voicing and tone control to achieve the appropriate brilliance. Thanks!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/13/11 01:36 PM

Let's just not spend 150 grand on a fairly bright grand! shocked grin


YAMMIE YAMAHA CFIIIS R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid +1, high -3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 6
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 2, depth 2
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/15/11 01:29 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Let's shake the tree! wink

Do you recall this one-liner? It may still take a while, but hold on, following 'the sequence of events', my not so wild guess is that a CA93/CA63 firmware update with new/improved feature(s) is upcoming...
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/15/11 09:49 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Let's just not spend 150 grand on a fairly bright grand! shocked grin


YAMMIE YAMAHA CFIIIS R1.0
...


A preset at this price deserves a review! wink

I've put it in my 2nd slot for a while, it's a very funny experience, like having two completely different piano's at once. Playing at p or pp level, its extremely dark and mellow, when reaching mf and beyond it turns out bright, wide and resonant. Very difficult to master the transition between these two spectrums, for everyday use,mmm...not sure. It's 'another' sound, I'll keep testing it for a while, promising patch! thumb
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/15/11 09:52 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Let's shake the tree! wink

Do you recall this one-liner? It may still take a while, but hold on, following 'the sequence of events', my not so wild guess is that a CA93/CA63 firmware update with new/improved feature(s) is upcoming...

Is that so? I wonder what the improvements might be...I'm very curious. More preset space?? wink
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/15/11 10:31 AM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
I'll keep testing it for a while, promising patch! thumb
Thanks, I'll keep updating it for a while... cool


In other words, it's like trying to manage a Chinese colleague of mine:

Me: "Please confirm that you will do this as agreed."
She: "I will see what I can do." grin
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/16/11 04:06 AM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
Very difficult to master the transition between these two spectrums
What happens when you switch from normal touch to light touch? I know it will yield very bright fortissimos (could work on that later), but just focussing on the transition I mean...
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/16/11 07:19 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Originally Posted By: vabejas
Very difficult to master the transition between these two spectrums
What happens when you switch from normal touch to light touch? I know it will yield very bright fortissimos (could work on that later), but just focussing on the transition I mean...

I've tried it, better transition, but personally I'm not too keen on any classical piano with 'light touch' settings. It's a completely different story when playing modern stuff, where it's perfectly acceptable or even desired.
My favorite classical piano sounds mellow and woody, like the Steinway or Fazioli when playing pp>p and from mf> resonant,wide, full and bright. The action should be heavy enough to take full advantage of the sophisticated key weighting system of the CA-93/63.
That's why Brutal Bösie and me are still not friends, I can't play with nuances, despite the impressive basses in that patch.
Too loud.
My best friend so far is still the Steinway GD, sometimes it sounds 'off' on some notes (maybe because the guitar layer has some funny slides. Have you tried some solo finger/pick nylon notes, boingg!!?) and it sounds slightly 'phasy' as well. I consider it part of it's personality. The Fazioli is nice, woody but with less personality in the upper register.
The Ambient Steinway is nice as well, but a bit heavy-handed for my taste.
I liked the ExMax in the beginning, but there is a certain hollowness about it when playing live. The Shigeru is too shallow and clangy in the discant, very much sounding like a DP, I'm not too crazy about it anymore.
It's like tasting wines on different days, depends on your mood how you appreciate it.
I'm sure that one day you will come out with the perfect piano, you're almost there, keep searching TAD!! thumb
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/16/11 07:40 AM

Interesting comments, thanks. smile

As you told me, your experience is that the timbre of the Steinway Grand Devotion mellow1 based piano preset is warm and maybe therefore seemingly just so very slightly 'off' sometimes. This is actually considered a big asset, as it delivers a very non-DP like living organic, acoustic grand piano sound! This in strong contrast with the basic concert grand sound, which you personally find "just plain ugly, sterile, without body, like the average Yamaha DP." grin wink
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/17/11 02:52 AM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
I'm sure that one day you will come out with the perfect piano, you're almost there, keep searching TAD!! thumb
Now, let's see what we've got here and throw in a beta with a few careful changes, reflecting the following ideas: cool whistle

* Even more organic timbre (slightly darker for normal touch, Chopin would love this).
* A TAD deeper acoustic surround presence.
* Remove any occasional small overdrive side-effect some people have experienced (they called this 'phasing'), most likely originating from the EQ boost being handled by the internal compressor/limiter*.
* Improve headphones/recording compatibility (not limited to high-end gear).



STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION 3.0 BETA

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 9 + Finger Nylon Gt. (CA93) / Pick Nylon Gt. (CA63/CA93), volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +3, high +1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: light (open lid), normal (half open lid), heavy (closed lid)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 5


*) http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1482532.html#Post1482532
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/17/11 04:32 PM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Let's shake the tree! wink

Do you recall this one-liner? It may still take a while, but hold on, following 'the sequence of events', my not so wild guess is that a CA93/CA63 firmware update with new/improved feature(s) is upcoming...

Is that so? I wonder what the improvements might be...I'm very curious. More preset space?? wink


I want an USB Preset Loader cry
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/18/11 02:58 AM

Here's another update... smile


YAMMIE YAMAHA CFIIIS R2.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid -2, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright1 (open lid), normal (half open lid), mellow1 (closed lid), mellow2 (hermetically sealed lid) grin
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 9
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 2, depth 3
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/18/11 06:36 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
...

STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION 3.0 BETA
...

You can remove the Beta-label TAD, as far as I'm concerned, it's an improvement, although minor, you've only changed the tone settings, or did I miss something?
It's slightly more balanced, less distortion through headphones, good Job! thumb
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/18/11 07:35 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Here's another update... smile


YAMMIE YAMAHA CFIIIS R2.0
...


Now here's another piano I can live with: transition between soft and loud are much more in control compared to R.1.0. I don't mind playing with a closed lid, I like the mellow voicing best. The bright voicing is reserved for Coldplay stuff etc...

Well done again TAD, it's about time they build you a statue at "Kawai Square" in Ryuyo, or award you with the 'Blue Ribbon Medal' from the Emperor of Japan! grin laugh

I wish I wasn't the only reviewer at the moment though, the remarks from Pinipon, Mucci etc. were very valuable at the start of this great thread, where are you hiding guys?? wink
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/18/11 07:51 AM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
You can remove the Beta-label TAD, as far as I'm concerned
Thanks for your feedback, here's the finetuned final release! shocked cool
A combination of EQ, layer dynamics and FX were needed to accomplish this, but that's in hindsight because it's all about timbre matching by ear. whistle


STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R3.0 - NORMAL TOUCH EDITION

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 9 + Finger Nylon Gt. (CA93) / Pick Nylon Gt. (CA63/CA93), volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +3, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 4
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/19/11 03:17 AM



STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R3.0 - LIGHT TOUCH EDITION

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 9 + Finger Nylon Gt. (CA93) / Pick Nylon Gt. (CA63/CA93), volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid 0, high -1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: light
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 4
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/19/11 03:18 AM



STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R3.0 - HEAVY TOUCH EDITION

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 9 + Finger Nylon Gt. (CA93) / Pick Nylon Gt. (CA63/CA93), volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +4, mid +2, high +4

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 4
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/19/11 11:06 AM

Originally Posted By: vabejas

I wish I wasn't the only reviewer at the moment though, the remarks from Pinipon, Mucci etc. were very valuable at the start of this great thread, where are you hiding guys?? wink


I've been away for a while, but now I'm back wink
Let me try the last patches and I give you me feedback soon.

Since the beginning of this year, most of time I'm using the patch Take the EX to the MAX R1.0 (half open lid version): I think it's a remarkable patch for every style of music, good playability and nice dynamics, deep bass and clear treble...
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/19/11 05:08 PM

Welcome back, Pini! smile

Talking about taking the EX to the Max, Kawai is quite often the winner's choice when it comes to international piano competitions. I'm preparing a special patch that reflects the qualities of the KAWAI EX in a big concert hall. It will be called KAWAI EX - THE WINNER'S CHOICE. cool

http://www.kawaius.com/main_links/why_kawai/winners_choice_09.html
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/20/11 02:40 PM

Here it is: incredibly rich timbres with arguably perfect touch, check it out! shocked shocked shocked 3hearts


KAWAI EX - THE WINNER'S CHOICE R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand 2/Mellow Grand 2, volume 4 + Concert Grand, volume 6

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high +4

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open lid), mellow 1 (half open lid), mellow 2 (closed lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 3, depth 6
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/21/11 06:20 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman



KAWAI EX - THE WINNER'S CHOICE R1.0
...


It's an impressive piano TAD, especially in the lower register, vey full and complex, my only personal quibble is in playing single notes in the discant, where I miss a round tone, it's too DP for my taste, surely because of the layer choice! wink
I need to give it a few more spins though.
Thanks!
I'll PM you my piano creation a bit later, let me know what you think.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/21/11 06:37 AM

Allright mate, let me guess, you picked the Mellow Grand 2 to start with... wink First aid: just lower the high EQ with a few dB to get a rounder discant.

We're getting closer to the summit now, let's better start wearing oxygen masks and A-brand sunglasses! cool
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/21/11 08:24 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Allright mate, let me guess, you picked the Mellow Grand 2 to start with... wink. First aid: just lower the high EQ with a few dB to get a rounder discant.
...

Eh...wrong guess! wink I'm not to keen on MG2 just yet, I've based my patch on MG1, my favourite basic piano.

So alright, here it is, a personal creation of all previous experiences, "hiss-anger", "pedal problems", heavenly sounds and pure 9-foot joy.

Let me proudly present you the:

HAMBURG-D CONCERTGEBOUW GRAND R1.0 laugh laugh

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 7 + Concert Grand, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +3, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 3, depth 3

Looking forward to your feedback.

I haven't checked if these settings are close to one of your previous piano patches TAD, I've just used my funny ears on this one!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/21/11 08:49 AM

That's not a PM. wink

Interesting stuff, also from an anger management point of view. And obviously I'm not the only one that can come up with sexy names. grin

Seriously, with these particular layered voices it's somewhere between the Close Miked Concert Grand (dry, heavy touch) and the Concert Hall Coloured Grand (reverberant, light touch) with other settings similar to recent and updated patches like the Steinway Grand Devotion, so should be good.

I'll have a listen tonight and I'm also curious about Pini's opinion.
By the way, have you played the highest note, a loud C7 yet? whistle
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/21/11 03:07 PM

Indeed it sounds very good, NICE!! Doesn't happen to sing quite as much as the Steinway Grand Devotion though (a direct comparison is almost inevitable given the name; thanks, now I remember again why I selected a layered guitar voice instead of a piano voice), but still quite an achievement, bravo! thumb

Just like the Steinway, it lacks a bit of brilliance with the heavy touch settings (it happens, albeit personal), so I also transformed it into a more brilliant normal touch version by only changing the voicing, leaving as much intact as possible:


HAMBURG-D CONCERTGEBOUW GRAND R1.0 - NORMAL TOUCH EDITION

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 7 + Concert Grand, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +3, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 3, depth 3
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/21/11 05:31 PM

The above made me think about the next step that is missing:

First Pinipon and then also Vabejas (in record-time) managed to become
Kawai CA93/CA63 custom presets reviewer
Come on mucci, you can do it too, you're almost there! The remaining action is to review your top 8 favourite dual voice presets here. smile

But what's next? How can you enter the next level and become regarded as a
Kawai CA93/CA63 dual voice mode co-developer
I would propose that, after becoming a custom presets reviewer, you would need to at least develop two new and original sounding high-quality dual voice presets for every section of the presets list provided by ripe_md. I will personally review the presets and take into account any professional opinions of qualified presets reviewers.

Sounds quite reasonable, doesn't it? wink Especially, compared to the number of dual voice presets that already have been developed. Privileges of a 'certified' co-developer can be discussed as soon as it becomes relevant, i.e. as soon as the first one qualifies...
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/21/11 05:33 PM

Hi TAD,
As you know, since the beginning I wasn't a big fan of the Steinway GD patches, but now my opinion is different and I have to say shocked wow : this R3.0 is a really big improvement - good "wooden" resonance, even I'm playing on my CA63 without soundboard, something like percussive part of real hammer's is noticeable (I don't know what it is, maybe is generate by the overall timbre/resonance of this patch, but whatever it is, I like it wink ), you carefully modified the Voicing&Tone control for each touch curve in order to get the same timbre for the all 3 touch editions; the playability is also good for the 3 editions. Personally I prefer the Normal Edition.

Even though unfortunately I'm not a jazz player grin , I've tried The Way It Is patch and I like it: it sounds very good for jazzy moments... (I prefer the half open lid version)

What I like very much is to play patches with lid control: I play some minutes with closed lid, then I change to the next versions (half open and open): the switch transitions makes me feel very great because it causes a "virtual" moment of "realism" wink

Regarding the CFIIIS, as any grand piano patch, I need more "test drive" to give you my feedback.

In any case, thumb once again
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/21/11 06:18 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman

I'll have a listen tonight and I'm also curious about Pini's opinion.


Hi TAD and Vabejas, I believe your latest patches are great but let me try and I give you my humble feedback soon.
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/21/11 06:34 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman

develop two new and original sounding high-quality dual voice presets for every section of the presets list provided by ripe_md.


very good idea and quite big challange...
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/22/11 05:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Pinipon
Originally Posted By: TADutchman

develop two new and original sounding high-quality dual voice presets for every section of the presets list provided by ripe_md.


very good idea and quite big challange...

Thanks for your positive feedback, so this means that you have accepted the challenge? cool (no stress, as there's no time limit)

If you happen to need some ideas/directions for new and original sounds, just let me know, there's still plenty of ground to cover. Other CA93/CA63 owners may have some special requests too! smile
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/22/11 05:19 PM

Let's come down the mountain again, remove that oxygen mask and take off those A-brand sunglasses for some good old character upright sound! Do you want to obtain an even more authentic, warm & deep upright tone? Just switch to the second layering option and half close the lid. whistle cool


SINGER-SONGWRITER PIANO R1.0

Dual Voice: Pop Piano 2, volume 5 + Concert Grand/Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open lid), mellow1 (half open lid), mellow2 (closed lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: none
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/22/11 06:51 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Originally Posted By: Pinipon
Originally Posted By: TADutchman

develop two new and original sounding high-quality dual voice presets for every section of the presets list provided by ripe_md.


very good idea and quite big challange...

Thanks for your positive feedback, so this means that you have accepted the challenge? cool (no stress, as there's no time limit)

If you happen to need some ideas/directions for new and original sounds, just let me know, there's still plenty of ground to cover. Other CA93/CA63 owners may have some special requests too! smile


I can't promise to create presets for every section, but at least for piano, e.piano and organ sections.

I will start with 2 pianos:

First, I would like to create a sonority that remember me my college time when I played a 6' foot Schimmel with some friends on a piano bar... we spent more than many nights wink over that piano: quite bright, very percussive hammers, strong wood soundboard - I think the strings are very close to the soundboard because the decay are not so long as in other grand piano brends - that causes reduced impedance and increase much sympathetic resonances, the overall tone is slightly muffled, powerfull basses (but not very "deep"), very good dynamics as any grand and well playable but mf - p transitions some difficult to control because of the bright tones.

The second piano, will be for fun, something like my very first piano: a magnificent 2 octaves micro upright grin , fully wooden, action based on hard springs making very simple hammers bang tuned steel bars (not bells, not strings wink ). The tone is something between a piano and a xylophone grin smokin unfortunately I don't have this piano any more because it was destroyed in an accident, but I keep in mind so many good memories...

I will start to working on it and give my first draft soon...
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/23/11 03:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Pinipon
I will start to working on it and give my first draft soon...

That's the spirit! thumb
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/23/11 11:18 AM

Small winter warmifying update / fix: wink


SINGER-SONGWRITER PIANO R1.1

Dual Voice: Pop Piano 2, volume 5 + Concert Grand/Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open lid), mellow1 (half open lid), mellow2 (closed lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: none
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/23/11 12:19 PM

No reason, but suddenly it's partytime! grin yippie


VIBRAPHONIC FUN R1.0

Dual Voice: Vibraphone, volume 7 + Marimba, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +6, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright 2
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: Tremolo, speed 5, depth 8

Rhythm: 2nd line, 120bpm
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/26/11 02:14 AM

Refurbished model: whistle


SINGER-SONGWRITER PIANO R2.0

Dual Voice: Pop Piano 2, volume 5 + Concert Grand/Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open lid), mellow1 (half open lid), mellow2 (closed lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: Tremolo, rate 1, depth 1
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/28/11 07:17 AM

Let's get up close & personal: this currently is my favorite go-to piano sound. Its rather dark, direct and warm analog character can draw you deep into the music. This is the organic sound I 'almost' managed to do 5 years ago by supplementing The Grand (R1.0 at the time) with a load of analog style effects, but now the CA93/CA63 really makes it possible without even adding an effect, very pure! cool Warning: cheap headphones / oversensitive ears may not like this level of natural cabinet saturation. wink


PURE ANALOG STYLE PIANO R1.0

Dual Voice: Pop Piano, volume 2 + Mellow Grand, volume 8

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +5, high +1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open lid), mellow1 (half open lid), mellow2 (closed lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage

Effect: none
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/02/11 04:10 AM

I'm in a funny mood today, so let's continue the OT series of jokes about musicians (last time it was about violin players):

What do you say to a guitar player in a 3-piece suit?
"Will the defendant please rise ..." grin
Posted by: mucci

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/02/11 06:57 AM

How about this one:
Quote:
"Mommy! Mommy! When I grow up I want to be a guitar player!"
"No Johnny, you can't do both!"

Sorry, dear guitarists...

Quote:
Why are so many guitarists jokes one liners ?
So the rest of the band can understand them

Ouch to us keyboardists!

This one is nice:

Quote:
C, E-flat and G go into a bar. The bartender says, "Sorry, we don't serve minors," and E-flat leaves. C and G have an open fifth between them and after a few drinks, G is out flat. F comes in and tries to augment the situation, but is not sharp enough. D comes into the bar and heads straight for the bathroom saying, "Excuse me, I'll just be a second."

A comes into the bar, but the bartender is not convinced that this relative of C is not a minor and sends him out. Then the bartender notices a B-flat hiding at the end of the bar and shouts, "Get out now. You're the seventh minor I've found in this bar tonight."

Next night, E-flat, not easily deflated, comes into the bar in a 3-piece suit with nicely shined shoes. The bartender (who used to have a nice corporate job until his company downsized) says: "You're looking pretty sharp tonight. Come on in. This could be a major development." And in fact, E-flat takes off his suit and everything else and stands there au naturel. Eventually, C, who had passed out under the bar the night before, begins to sober up and realizes in horror that he's under a rest.

So, C goes to trial, is convicted of contributing to the diminution of a minor and sentenced to 10 years of DS without Coda at an up scale correctional facility. The conviction is overturned on appeal, however, and C is found innocent of any wrongdoing, even accidental, and that all accusations to the contrary are bassless.

The bartender decides, however, that since he's only had tenor so patrons, the soprano out in the bathroom and everything has become alto much treble, he needs a rest and closes the bar.


All from http://www.ducksdeluxe.com/jokes.html
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/02/11 07:26 AM

I've listened to TADutchman's advice and bought a pair of Sennheiser HD-595s. I am really amazed by the clarity and the exceptional sound quality. I never believed there could be such a difference between cheap and good headphones. The CA63 really sings now! Thank you TADutchman! thumb Besides, now I can hear your presets the same way you hear them. You are right - I tried some of the most popular presets and the phasey effect is now reduced to the point it's barely noticeable! I'll have to go through most of the presets and re-evaluate them for myself.

But what you have created lastly is absolutely superb!
Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Let's get up close & personal
...

PURE ANALOG STYLE PIANO R1.0

...


That's one really close and intimate woody sound! Deep, dark, close, full-bodied, woody, soft, powerful, there so much in it! Perfect for dark Chopin stuff. Thank you again! It's my new favorite preset thumb

I think the "Mellow Grand" is a good starting point. I tried myself to come up with something interesting based on it but with no success frown However I believe you can produce many other excellent presets around it. Keep on with the good job!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/02/11 03:28 PM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
I've listened to TADutchman's advice and bought a pair of Sennheiser HD-595s. I am really amazed by the clarity and the exceptional sound quality. I never believed there could be such a difference between cheap and good headphones. The CA63 really sings now! Thank you TADutchman! thumb

You're welcome, CyberGene! Great to hear you're excited about your new HD595s. cool


Originally Posted By: CyberGene
But what you have created lastly is absolutely superb!
Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Let's get up close & personal
...

PURE ANALOG STYLE PIANO R1.0

...


That's one really close and intimate woody sound! Deep, dark, close, full-bodied, woody, soft, powerful, there so much in it! Perfect for dark Chopin stuff. Thank you again! It's my new favorite preset thumb

Excellent, so now it's confirmed that I've finally tackled that much anticipated Chopin sound. smile
Watch out Beethoven, you're next! shocked wink
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/03/11 01:33 PM

People, nothing radical this time, 'just' a new Concert Grand: whistle


KAWAI CONCERT ARTIST R1.0

Dual Voice: Jazz Grand, volume 3 + Concert Grand, volume 7

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high +4

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: heavy / normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Hall 2 / Stage

Effect: Delay 1, time 1, depth 1



This preset addresses the following points, without dramatically wanting to change the basic timbre of the standard Concert Grand (which so many people happen to like):

* Better hammer attack feel and improved dynamic range
* More advanced damper half pedalling control and soft pedal colouring
* Real Soundboard bass response and better midrange tonality
* More involving sympathetic resonance and discant behaviour
* Improved brilliance and concert hall experience



Just for fun I've made spectral pan views of about 12 seconds duration playing note C4 (no sustain pedal), showing changes in:

* Short attack transient complexity (non-linear richness in high volume part)
* Long decay transient dynamics (not depicted: with fully pressed sustain pedal both presets have a dynamic decay)
* Stereo Image (pretty wide, clearly not suited to combine stereo to mono)



Single voice mode CA63/CA93 Concert Grand factory preset:


Dual voice mode KAWAI CONCERT ARTIST R1.0 custom preset:



Of course the proof is in the eating of the pudding. Enjoy your meal! smile
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/06/11 03:15 PM

Some time ago, I posted a link to an in-depth MP10 review in this thread.
Why not do something similar for the MP6 too? wink Well okay then, here's a rather personal MP6 (re-)view from the US:

http://azpianonews.blogspot.com/2011/01/kawai-mp6-digital-piano-awesome-piano.html
Posted by: ripe_md

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/07/11 10:00 AM

FYI:
I've updated the Kawai CA93/CA63 Custom Dual Voice Mode Presets List with TADutchman's latest creations.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/08/11 01:27 AM

Originally Posted By: ripe_md
I've updated the Kawai CA93/CA63 Custom Dual Voice Mode Presets List with TADutchman's latest creations.

Thanks, ripe_md. Did I mention that the layout looks great? It really does! cool
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/08/11 03:42 PM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
I think the "Mellow Grand" is a good starting point... I believe you can produce many other excellent presets around it. Keep on with the good job!
Allright, CyberGene, that's a correct observation for a certain range of interesting harmonics. Will do, at your service. wink

During 'the mother of all battles', the CA93/CA63 has been accused of having a slightly too fast note decay, right? Well, my stopwatch must be broken, because I just measured a record-breaking lowest note duration of something like 80 seconds!!! (your ears' mileage may vary) This can be perceived as seemingly neverending, because the extremely slow decaying transition to absolute silence is literally inaudible. This is the opposite compared to e.g. old skool (non-dithered) 16-bit recordings, where the sonic fade-out artifacts are often obnoxious i.m.h.o...
Shortly after this thread has passed the milestone of 50000 views, I hereby thankfully present something special to you all: eek crazy shocked cry tiki grin



THE MOTHER OF ALL D GRANDS R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 7 + Mellow Grand 2 / Concert Grand / Pop Piano / Modern Piano, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +5, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 9
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 2, depth 4
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/10/11 05:38 AM

Oh yeah, why not add some spectral pan views for demonstration purposes (note: this is a single C4 note, so without any significant sympathetic resonance): whistle


Single voice mode CA63/CA93 Concert Grand factory preset with Mellow Grand voice:


Dual voice mode THE MOTHER OF ALL D GRANDS R1.0 custom preset:




By the way, with only a slight adjustment it also sounds exceptional in a smaller (T60) and brighter reverberating Concert Hall environment: cool


THE MOTHER OF ALL D GRANDS R1.0 - HALL 1 EDITION

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 7 + Mellow Grand 2 / Concert Grand / Pop Piano / Modern Piano, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +5, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 9
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 3, time 2, depth 2
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/10/11 04:28 PM

Call me stupid, but this is for the very first time that I'm actually applying dual voice mode according to an 'intended use' standard protocol which is valid for almost any DP (except for layer dynamics and dynamic voicing): piano + strings. laugh smile


GRAND STRINGS ENSEMBLE R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Slow Strings, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +4, mid +6, high +4
1 - 8 Damper hold: On

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 8
2 - 3 String resonance: 8
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 4

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 4, depth 4
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/13/11 04:36 AM

Optimised balance for even more singing resonances and integrated custom touch option (between heavy and normal): cool


THE MOTHER OF ALL D GRANDS R2.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 6 + Mellow Grand 2 / Concert Grand / Pop Piano / Modern Piano, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +5, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal / factory custom 2 (between normal & heavy touch)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: wide / normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 2, depth 4
Posted by: vabejas

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/13/11 06:07 AM

Just to let you know, I'm still here, but work has prevented me from reviewing the patches lately. I'll be back soon!
Regards,
Jasper
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/13/11 03:52 PM

Originally Posted By: vabejas
...work has prevented me from reviewing the patches lately. I'll be back soon!

Good to hear! This reminds me of the following Dutch expression: "Werken is leuk, maar er gaat zoveel vrije tijd in zitten." (work is fun, but it costs so much free time) wink

I once did a course in time management, but it didn't really help much: grin
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/18/11 09:39 AM

If you happen to own a Kawai MP10 and are looking for custom settings here, then you came to the wrong place. sick wink

That's because I just found the kick-off of an MP10 dedicated thread here: smile
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...tml#Post1643267
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/24/11 06:04 PM

Well, well, look what the cat dragged in today: an analog Kawai CA93 - M-Audio Audiophile USB - Wavelab 7 recording of a new preset!

Originally it was just one simple experimental recording take for checking the dynamics, balance and singing qualities of the preset, not intended for publishing. No preparation whatsoever, i.e. this is take 1 as there are no more takes. grin There are no effects added, I just slightly used a compressor/limiter to remove some 'hair', making it sound a little closer to live playing my CA93, cut out the worst part (yes, sorry to admit that this is the best part) in order to get below 4 minutes duration. whistle



Here's the original 24bit/96kHz version ready for download and direct streaming playback*:
http://soundcloud.com/tadutchman/kawai-ca93-recording-take-1-1

If you guys happen to like the remaining sound of the Ambient Steinway Experience R2.0, just let me know, so I might be persuaded to actually publish the preset parameters (teasing). wink


*) soundcloud's 128 kbps mp3 transcoding system for streaming playback can create some slight audio artifacts. If you choose to download the track though, the downloaded version will be an exact copy of the uploaded version, without any transcoding.
Posted by: theJourney

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/25/11 04:23 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Originally Posted By: vabejas
...work has prevented me from reviewing the patches lately. I'll be back soon!

Good to hear! This reminds me of the following Dutch expression: "Werken is leuk, maar er gaat zoveel vrije tijd in zitten." (work is fun, but it costs so much free time) wink

I once did a course in time management, but it didn't really help much: grin


I am sure that your time management mind map is a good one, but who has time to study it? grin

Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/29/11 04:53 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Here's the original 24bit/96kHz version ready for download and direct streaming playback*:
http://soundcloud.com/tadutchman/kawai-ca93-recording-take-1-1

Just for fun: nice to see a reassigned spectrogram showing such detailed dynamics, harmonics and even individual notes. smile


Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 04/05/11 01:47 PM

This arguably is the most extreme acoustic and lush sounding preset I have developed so far; keep away any resonating objects! crazy Playing with headphones and recording over USB or Analog Out is possible of course, but not fully recommended. shocked Believe it or not (or even better: try it yourself and trust your ears), most authentic results are actually achieved by playing live and doing spatial mike recording(s). cool


KAWAI EXtra GRAND LUSHNESS R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +3, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Custom (start with normal touch and then experiment in order to get a huge dynamic range!)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 5
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 04/08/11 04:12 AM

Browsing through the 2011 Kawai catalogue, it seems like we're getting some new friends:
http://www.kawai.de/service/catalogue_2011_eg.pdf

While the CS6 and CS9 cabinets look more polished to me cool, from a technical specifications point of view:
CS6 = CA63
CS9 = CA93

So I guess there will be no CA113 named successor to the good old CA111 (which had only like 22 sounds instead of 80), as this now has become the new CS9, right James?

Does anybody know how I can expand the title of this thread in order to include the new CS6 and CS9 models? smile
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 04/08/11 02:09 PM

Correct.

Note that the CS6 keyboard action also features let-off, while the CS9 offers some additional Virtual Technician functions from the MP10.

However, the basic functionality of these new models is largely the same as the CA93/CA63, so yes, I'm sure the custom dual-voice settings will continue to be welcomed by future CS6/CS9 owners.

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: rpnfan

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 04/24/11 05:51 PM

Hi TADutchman,

Originally Posted By: TADutchman


If you guys happen to like the remaining sound of the Ambient Steinway Experience R2.0, just let me know, so I might be persuaded to actually publish the preset parameters (teasing). wink


Your recording sounds nice (very natural), I like the piano sound you created and would welcome to learn the settings very much smile I'm already preparing what to test, when our CA93 will finally arive smile My wife likes a piano like sound, a little softer then most grands and I'm looking forward to explore the default presets and your suggestions for piano layers. Thanks for posting your experiences.
Posted by: theJourney

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 04/25/11 06:57 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Browsing through the 2011 Kawai catalogue, it seems like we're getting some new friends:
http://www.kawai.de/service/catalogue_2011_eg.pdf

While the CS6 and CS9 cabinets look more polished to me cool, from a technical specifications point of view:
CS6 = CA63
CS9 = CA93

So I guess there will be no CA113 named successor to the good old CA111 (which had only like 22 sounds instead of 80), as this now has become the new CS9, right James?

Does anybody know how I can expand the title of this thread in order to include the new CS6 and CS9 models? smile


OMG. The CS9 looks gorgeous!
However, the K5 ATX looks even better....

Wonder what relative pricing on these babies is going to be?
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 04/25/11 04:49 PM

Originally Posted By: rpnfan
Hi TADutchman,

Originally Posted By: TADutchman


If you guys happen to like the remaining sound of the Ambient Steinway Experience R2.0, just let me know, so I might be persuaded to actually publish the preset parameters (teasing). wink


Your recording sounds nice (very natural), I like the piano sound you created and would welcome to learn the settings very much smile

Congratulations on your CA93 purchase, rpnfan! cool
Sure, your feedback is highly appreciated. Here are the related dual voice mode settings used for the Take 1 recording:


AMBIENT STEINWAY EXPERIENCE R2.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 7 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +4, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: Custom (standard touch settings are not optimal, i.e. you'd better record your own preferred user touch setting!)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 2, depth 4
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 04/26/11 01:11 PM

I've been off my piano (not that I wanted it, just a business trip abroad) for two weeks and that was probably enough for my mind to clear up from any psychoacoustic adaptation that had happened while I was playing it more frequently. So, I am finally back and have just started playing on speakers with the default Concert Grand sound and heavy touch and I have experienced exactly the same feeling I got when I played it for the very first time one year ago (described in a separate topic) - the sound from the speakers is somehow too bassy, boomy, artificially electronic... I've put my Sennheisers and the sound was much different, much more balanced and natural to the degree where I am fooled it's not coming from headphones but is instead coming from a real piano. I am rarely playing on speakers, mainly because of the neighbors but also partly because of that issue with the sound. But the fresh experience from today provoked me to eventually bring the issue here in this topic since I suppose it could be tweaked with the EQ. I am wondering if that has something to do with the small size of my room and the fact I've put the piano very close to a wall. Do other people with CA63 have noticed something like that when playing on speakers? If so, what EQ settings do you use to counteract that?
Posted by: theJourney

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 04/26/11 01:45 PM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
I've been off my piano (not that I wanted it, just a business trip abroad) for two weeks and that was probably enough for my mind to clear up from any psychoacoustic adaptation that had happened while I was playing it more frequently. So, I am finally back and have just started playing on speakers with the default Concert Grand sound and heavy touch and I have experienced exactly the same feeling I got when I played it for the very first time one year ago (described in a separate topic) - the sound from the speakers is somehow too bassy, boomy, artificially electronic... I've put my Sennheisers and the sound was much different, much more balanced and natural to the degree where I am fooled it's not coming from headphones but is instead coming from a real piano. I am rarely playing on speakers, mainly because of the neighbors but also partly because of that issue with the sound. But the fresh experience from today provoked me to eventually bring the issue here in this topic since I suppose it could be tweaked with the EQ. I am wondering if that has something to do with the small size of my room and the fact I've put the piano very close to a wall. Do other people with CA63 have noticed something like that when playing on speakers? If so, what EQ settings do you use to counteract that?


In my opinion this is more an issue of having an insufficiently high quality amplifier and speakers to be able to even attempt to fool you into thinking as the player that the sound is coming from a real piano. I experience the same thing with my HP-307 and with every other digital piano I have played to date and therefore also only really used my HD600s to play.

I am fascinated by TADutchman's love of playing the CA93 with the speakers, but when I compared it to the CA63 in the stores I really did not notice that big of a difference between the two models.

Have you considered attaching a couple of powered studio monitors and/or a subwoofer to give the oomph you are looking for?
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 04/26/11 03:04 PM

theJourney, you're making a good point. I don't have good monitors to use but I believe it would help, having in mind the audio through the headphones is realistic and clean and it is thus a matter of proper amplifier and/or speaker to recreate that with speakers as well. I've played all my digital pianos with headphones but sometimes I really appreciate the tactile sensation of the sound vibration transferred through the keys to the fingers. However that's only a small advantage contributing to the percieved realism compared to the relatively higher disadvantage brought by the insufficient speaker quality so I would keep playing with headphones.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 04/26/11 04:24 PM

Well, of course you could try different placement with alternative speakers, but I don't really think that the CA63's speakers are the main cause or that other speakers are the perfect cure (except for when they lack a decent bass response). A boomy sound occurring more likely indicates the presence of some nasty room resonance(s) in the bass frequency range (which in most cases are not really volume dependent): what are the dimensions of the room you're playing in? Would like to know whether repositioning your CA63 and/or adjusting the low or mid EQ have any positive/negative effect.

For reference, I'm playing my CA93 in the living room, which is reasonably sized and not rectangular in shape. It's more like an uneven U-shape with an extra 'protrusion' added and probably therefore, despite of the tile floor, I'm not experiencing any unwanted resonances from the room.

Last year, being his first CA93 delivery and set-up (in this category, he just had the CA63 and CA111 in stock), my Kawai dealer Van Oldeniel was pretty amazed how full and spacious the CA93 sounded at my home (and that was 'only' the standard factory preset).
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 04/27/11 07:00 AM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
I am wondering if that has something to do with the small size of my room and the fact I've put the piano very close to a wall. Do other people with CA63 have noticed something like that when playing on speakers?

Here you can find some answers by other CA63 owners:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1525482.html#Post1525482
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 04/27/11 11:29 AM

From what I've understood, 5cm is enough and my piano sits at least 20cm away from the wall in a 3x6m room, so it should not be the location? The strange thing is that in contrast to other (less powerful) digital pianos which I've tried in stores where the sound lacked deepness and bass, here they seem to be in excess. That's a shame, since the amplifier and the speakers obviously have enough power and there's no need for it to be EQ-ed this way. Maybe people who have never played a real acoustic would be thrilled by the deep bass since nowadays everybody thinks a sound is good only when the bass is enormous. If I have more time, I'll try to move the piano in our living room which is much bigger and put it in the middle to see if that would change anything.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 04/27/11 02:38 PM

Good idea, that certainly will bring some new insights!

Concerning your 3x6m room, here's a resonance calculating example to use: whistle
http://www.ehow.com/how_6038927_calculate-resonant-frequencies-room.html
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 05/01/11 03:19 PM

Here's a slight but specific singing acoustic optimisation; in this case just about everybody's mileage may vary, mainly depending on volume slider position (+hidden compression), speaker placement, touch, the room's frequency response and last but not least: personal taste. smile cool


KAWAI EXtra GRAND LUSHNESS R1.1

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Custom
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage / Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 2, depth 3
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 05/09/11 05:34 PM

My wife just loves to play this deeply classical sounding preset with the Kawai Classical Piano Collection book. smile cool
You guys could try to add some typical Beethoven like historical tuning at will and see what happens, e.g. 1 - 7 Tuning: 432 Hz. whistle
Other variations could include lid simulation, e.g. 2 - 1 Voicing: Bright 1 / Normal / Mellow 1. shocked wink


CLASSICAL PIANO COLLECTION PRESET R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand 2, volume 4 + Mellow Grand, volume 6

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +1, high -5

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Custom
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Room 2 / Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 1
Posted by: ripe_md

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 05/17/11 07:01 AM

I've updated the list of presets based on TADutchmans latest creations. Check the first posting for the URL.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 05/18/11 06:24 AM

Thanks, ripe_md! thumb
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 05/19/11 08:46 AM

"Always look on the bright side of life"
How bright.. and spectacular? That's largely depending on your custom user touch setting. grin cool


CLASSICAL PIANO COLLECTION BRIGHT R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand 2, volume 4 + Mellow Grand, volume 6

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +2, high +1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic / normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: Custom
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 2
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 05/24/11 05:05 PM

Okay, let's recalibrate the KAWAI EXtra GRAND LUSHNESS preset a little, after having played a K. Kawai Grand tonight with an almost closed lid (except for the front part): now you should be able to also experience a similar warm singing saturation of the surrounding space. I just can't stop playing this one live at Kawai Grand like acoustic volume! shocked shocked shocked wow


KAWAI EXtra GRAND LUSHNESS R2.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +6, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 8
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Custom
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage / Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 2, depth 3
Posted by: PianoZac

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 05/25/11 11:22 AM

TADutchman, I've got an MP10 coming soon smile and am wondering if many of your settings will transfer over? Are the virtual technicians on the CA93/MP10 the same being that the CA93 is essentially the console version of the MP10?

BTW, the only reason I went for the MP10 was price. I've got a good pair of studio monitors so I could forgo the amazing speaker system on the CA93. Very excited to bring home the best DP action on the planet! cool
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 05/25/11 02:00 PM

Originally Posted By: ZacharyForbes
TADutchman, I've got an MP10 coming soon smile and am wondering if many of your settings will transfer over? Are the virtual technicians on the CA93/MP10 the same being that the CA93 is essentially the console version of the MP10?
Congratulations on your MP10 purchase, ZacharyForbes!

The MP10 is quite a different UPHI-beast with many tweaking possibilities I'm sure, but (as stated before) unfortunately it does not support the CA93/CA63's advanced dual voice mode for (E)piano-voices, which is essential for most presets presented here (also the number of voices of the MP10 is fairly limited). The great RM3-actions of the CA93 and MP10 are identical though. smile
Posted by: 10fingers

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 05/26/11 09:49 PM

Originally Posted By: ZacharyForbes
TADutchman, I've got an MP10 coming soon smile


Yikes, Zachary - you must have the most understanding wife!!! Oh, I get it - this is just your way of auditioning pianos, you buy them and REALLY get to try them out smile

Congrats - I'm now thinking I may have to take the 3 hour round trip to try out MP10
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 05/29/11 04:15 AM

Why not give that hammer induced attack transient some slightly more Classic FM-radio vintage personality? whistle


CLASSICAL PIANO COLLECTION VINTAGE R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand 2, volume 5 + Mellow Grand, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +4, mid -2, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow1 / dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Custom
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 2
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/04/11 11:38 AM

And here's my personal recording favourite for dry tracking (adding reverb to a cue mix is an option) and then mixing & mastering e.g. with a Lexicon or Convolution reverb: cool wow


CLASSICAL PIANO COLLECTION DIRECT R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand 2, volume 5 + Mellow Grand, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +4, mid -2, high +1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: Custom
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: none

Effect: none
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/07/11 02:22 PM

Well, to be honest, it's great for live playing without reverb too. smile smile smile
Highly recommended! thumb


CLASSICAL PIANO COLLECTION DIRECT R1.1

Dual Voice: Concert Grand 2, volume 5 + Mellow Grand, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +4, mid -1, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Custom
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: none

Effect: none (during USB/analog out recording & monitoring) / Delay 3, time 1, depth 1 (for mike recording and/or live playing)
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/14/11 06:02 PM

What about combining a warm Piano with exciting Strings! (or should that be the other way around?) grin




SMALL STRINGS TO GRAND STRINGS R1.0

Dual Voice: Slow Strings, volume 5 + Concert Grand, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid +2, high -6
1 - 8 Damper Hold: On

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Light
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 2, time 5, depth 10
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/17/11 04:44 AM

Oh boy, just found out that ripe_md did it again! shocked wink



Check out the vast number of presets at the bottom of this threads' first post:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1695635/1.html
Posted by: ripe_md

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/17/11 12:20 PM

...just waiting for the meatballs. smile
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/20/11 09:46 AM

LOL laugh

Actually, I'm more waiting for some serious meat in the form of a promised CA93/CA63 firmware update. Any news, James?
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/20/11 10:16 AM

You think you wouldn't be the first to know?

James
x
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/20/11 03:24 PM

You're quite right! Just kidding... wink
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/24/11 06:31 AM

Don't wake up the neighbours, as here's another update for this huge sounding patch! Why not quote Einstein this time? “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving”. whistle


KAWAI EXtra GRAND LUSHNESS R3.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +5, high -3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 6
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Custom
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 3, time 2, depth 3
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/30/11 04:11 PM

Let's remove the effects section and retrieve headphones compatibility as a bonus. Volume setting 4.2 works best for me, either playing live or with my HD595s. smile cool
Do note that your specific custom touch setting also determines overall brilliance!




KAWAI EXtra GRAND LUSHNESS R3.1

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +4, high -2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 6
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Custom
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: none
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/12/11 04:17 AM

Let's do another OT instrument joke. grin

What's the difference between a bass trombone and a chainsaw?
1. Vibrato, though you can minimize this difference by holding the chain saw very still.
2. It's easier to improvise on a chainsaw.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/17/11 02:59 AM

Light & clear tonal character, especially for some CA63-owners who find their speakers' bass response a TAD too heavy:




CLAVINOVA HOME IMPROVEMENT R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand 2, volume 3 + Jazz Grand, volume 7 (= dual balance 7-3)

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low 0, mid +5, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright1 (open lid), normal (half open lid), mellow1/mellow2 (closed lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 6
2 - 3 String resonance: 7
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: Normal / Custom (for optimizing brilliance!)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: none
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/17/11 04:12 AM

Please tell me you're not taking a hammer to your CA93's soundboard speaker....

James
x
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/17/11 04:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Please tell me you're not taking a hammer to your CA93's soundboard speaker....

James
x

Don't worry, I really love that classy spacious natural spruce soundboard response which balances nicely with the speaker system. smile It's just that the tonal character of the abovementioned patch is radically different from the Kawai sound most people have grown accustomed to...
Posted by: Hardwired

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/18/11 03:52 PM

Wow TADutchman shocked , good work
Love the KAWAI EXtra GRAND LUSHNESS R3.1
I now have all my ca63 registration keys recorded with piano dual layers 3hearts

I have printed ripe_md just for marking which ones I have tested and on which registration I have recorded. It would be great if this could be loaded-saved from usb
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/19/11 06:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Hardwired
Wow TADutchman shocked , good work
Love the KAWAI EXtra GRAND LUSHNESS R3.1
I now have all my ca63 registration keys recorded with piano dual layers 3hearts

That's the spirit! thumb
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/23/11 06:14 AM

Here's a variation with excellent playability and clear treble: just hit a C8 and you'll know!!! cool


KAWAI EXtra GRAND LUSHNESS - BALANCED R3.1

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 6 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +4, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 7
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Custom
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage / Room 2

Effect: none
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/24/11 01:17 PM

The vast array of colours of repeated chords sound even more complex this way and the soft pedal really hits the sweetspot now (given that you've got the custom touch & brilliance right):


KAWAI EXtra GRAND LUSHNESS - BALANCED R3.2

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 6 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +5, high -1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 7
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Custom
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 1
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 07/30/11 05:34 PM

Deceptively simple but powerful hint to achieve the right amount of brilliance: adjust the high EQ Tone control and/or Damper resonance to match the brightness of your preferred custom touch.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/04/11 05:31 PM

Please note that I'll be 'out of office' for a while because my wife gave birth to a beautiful daughter.
Posted by: spanishbuddha

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/04/11 05:50 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Please note that I'll be 'out of office' for a while because my wife gave birth to a beautiful daughter.


Big congratulations to you and best wishes to all three.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/04/11 05:56 PM

Wow, congratulations TADutchman!

Remember the famous internet mantra: pics or it didn't happen! wink

No, I'm only joking... please keep your child's anonymity sacred.

Congrats again!

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: macbug

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/04/11 11:32 PM

hi guys sorry to intrude but how is the dual voice mode different from the layering available on Kawai stage pianos(like mp6)
Posted by: Pinipon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/10/11 10:24 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Please note that I'll be 'out of office' for a while because my wife gave birth to a beautiful daughter.


Congratulations TAD, and best wishes!!!
Posted by: HwyStar

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/10/11 10:39 AM

Congrats Dutch! Enjoy your time with your little girl since it goes sooooo fast!

James can answer your question macbug. My MP-10 does not do multiple piano layers at the same time.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/10/11 11:04 AM

Originally Posted By: macbug
hi guys sorry to intrude but how is the dual voice mode different from the layering available on Kawai stage pianos(like mp6)


I believe the principle would be the same, and the MP6 has the potential for greater control over either layered sound (up to four sounds). However, it should be noted that the CA93/CA63 and MP6 use different sample sets, so applying the combinations and settings as explained in this thread may not produce the same results.

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/18/11 04:24 PM

Thanks a lot for all the best wishes (also PM) smile

While still lacking sleep, let's return to the core business of this thread: here's the start of a Trilogy involving a Rock piano for adding some slight imperfections / evolving non-linearities to the overall Grand piano sound. I prefer the closed lid setting (at volume 4.2 with optimised custom touch setting and simultanuously brilliance).


TRILOGY PART 1 - JAZZ R1.0

Dual Voice: Jazz Grand, volume 7 + Rock Piano, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +6, high +5

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2 (closed lid) / mellow 1 (half open lid) / normal (open lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 7
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: Custom
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 1
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/21/11 06:10 AM

Here's a character Studio grand: I prefer the half open lid setting.


TRILOGY PART 2 - POP R1.0

Dual Voice: Studio Grand, volume 7 + Rock Piano, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +4, mid +5, high +4

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2 (closed lid) / mellow 1 (half open lid) / normal (open lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 7
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: Custom
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 1
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/23/11 06:27 AM

OT: do you want playback quality in the same ballpark as SACD/DVD-Audio from your current CD-player?

Check out JVC's amazing K2HD CD mastering technology if you haven't already done so! cool
I do hope that prices go down a little as more and more K2HD CD titles are becoming available...
Posted by: HwyStar

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/23/11 07:53 AM

$37 to $49 per disc... Ouch!

Hopefully those costs would come down a bit. I don't see myself playing each disc as much as I played Battlefield Bad Company 2...
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/23/11 09:35 AM

Originally Posted By: HwyStar
$37 to $49 per disc... Ouch!

grin Yes, that's like 25 Euro or more... (who has seen lower prices, anyone?)

For real mainstream use, I guess K2HD and DXD CD prices need to consistently drop below 20 Euro and the number of available (new) titles has to increase dramatically.

The good news is that the huge CD player user base is already there (which was/is not the case for e.g. dedicated SACD players) and no sensible person would even dare to compare the sound of a compressed MP3 to the master tape like K2HD red book format (except for when using a mediocre audio-system and/or being partially hearing impaired).
Posted by: Bibster

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/23/11 06:08 PM

What i would love to see is a users top ten favourites of all these custom settings. Is there any way this can be achieved in a 'poll' like fashion?

Regards

Bibster
Posted by: ripe_md

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/24/11 06:42 AM

I've updated the liste once again. Check the first posting for the URL.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/24/11 11:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Bibster
What i would love to see is a users top ten favourites of all these custom settings. Is there any way this can be achieved in a 'poll' like fashion?

That's a nice thought Bibster, but I have no clue how to implement that in this thread. Of course, many Kawai CA93/CA63 owners have already given their feedback, sometimes accompanied by a personal top ten. Anyhow, for now, I would advice you to work backwards, starting with checking out the latest (and greatest?) dual voice presets...
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/24/11 11:24 AM

Originally Posted By: ripe_md
I've updated the liste once again. Check the first posting for the URL.

Thanks so much, ripe_md! thumb
By the way, you beat me to the punch, as the Trilogy is not yet completed. wink
Posted by: ripe_md

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/24/11 01:14 PM

I have to keep pace with your Millenium Trilogy smile
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/26/11 04:39 AM

Partly OT: are you interested in a Kontakt 4 optimised 17GB 48kHz/24-bit KAWAI EX sample library with three simultaneous mike positions for mixing?

Check out the Summer Sale at Acoustic Samples; it's only 77 USD / 62 Euro now!
http://www.acousticsamples.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=21
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 08/28/11 05:07 PM

Finally, here's the last part of the trilogy.

Don't let the light touch setting fool you: this is a deep and emotional sound with great control (and the Room 1 reverb functions as a cabinet IR)! Just try the Schindler's List theme or something like that...


TRILOGY PART 3 - CLASSICAL R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 7 + Rock Piano, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +6, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: Light
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Room 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 2
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/11/11 08:41 AM

Let's refer to this one as the Rock of Ages! wink


1795 SCHANTZ FORTEPIANO COPY R1.0

Dual Voice: Rock Piano, volume 5 + Harpsichord, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -6, mid +6, high -3
1 - 7 Tuning: 427 Hz (pick your historical favorite below 440 Hz)

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 7
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: none
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/11/11 04:44 PM

Just a little TEASER this time, showing some VSTi & Standalone work in progress:



By the way, who could supply me with high quality MP10/CS9 noise samples? (e.g. high-grade balanced XLR out recordings of pedal down/up and hammer strike/fallback)

Posted by: HwyStar

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/11/11 09:01 PM

The interface is looking good man! Nice tweaks! You "have" been busy...
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/11/11 10:18 PM

Yes, that looks pretty sleek - nice job!

James
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Posted by: Pierre P.

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/12/11 02:45 AM

TADutchman : I don't get it, what is the purpose of this VST exactly ? btw, thanks to you and the others for sharing your presets, I just received a Kawai CA 93, and will try thses (but there are so many !).
OT : I wanted to check if the firmware was up to date, and it is v1.08. But on Kawai's website, the latest downloadable firmware seems to be v1.07...Am I missing something ?
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/12/11 03:27 AM

Hello Pierre,

The v1.08 software adds the 'Playing a note very softly no longer produces a sound' improvement (similar to the MP10), however this update was not made publicly available.

The latest software version for the CA93/CA63 is actually v1.09, and should be made available later this month.

Congratulations on your new CA93 by the way! wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: Pierre P.

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/12/11 04:09 AM

Kawai James : thanks for the information, and it's indeed a nice piano, but a pain to carry it up to the 4th floor, the package said it's 115 kg (well, still lighter than an acoustic)!. I guess the updates included in the 1.09 firmware are confidential ?
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/12/11 04:44 AM

Hello Pierre,

The fixes in the v1.09 are mostly related to the Temperament/User Temperament function. There is also a fix for MIDI under certain circumstances.

Nothing really spectacular, I'm afraid, however the 'silent key on' fix should please a number of owners.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/12/11 07:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Pierre P.
TADutchman: I don't get it, what is the purpose of this VST exactly?

Let me start with congratulating you on your CA93 purchase with silent keypress! thumb

The purpose of the Standalone version is to add Realtime Acoustic Noise to your CA93/CA63's playing/recording in case you have a Midi and low-latency ASIO PC connection available (I have a convenient wireless set-up using M-Audio MidAir and AudioEngine W1 + Asio4All).

You could also record a song with your CA93's internal sequencer and save to USB in both Wave & Midi format. Then you can add subtle noises afterwards using the Realtime Acoustic Noise VSTi in a DAW for mixing and mastering (Reaper 4 being my weapon of choice). This way you don't need any connection between your CA93 and a PC.

Of course I want to improve upon the implementation of pedal and hammer noise and include other features so that MP10/CS9 owners and other Kawai DP owners also become interested in this tool...

After the above has been accomplished, I may be persuaded to turn Realtime Acoustic Noise into a universal tool to be used with any hardware or software instrument (probably adding load WAV functionality).
Posted by: Lblues

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/18/11 07:37 AM

Hello. I just bought a CA-63 a couple of weeks ago, and i'm happy to find here some in-depht Q&A. I experienced a cruel dissapointment regarding the tone quality of my CA 63. I am going to try the different dual-voicing patches kindly published by TADutchman. My first (and not last question) is: do i need to enter the patches settings one by one (since i dont find the CA 63 interface user-friendly smile )or is there a workaround i didnt see (a PC based patch interface ?). Congratulations also for your VST effect of acoustic noise, it seems to be a great tool! There a many of these tools around to improve guitar sounds but i didnt see any for piano.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/18/11 05:17 PM

Congratulations on your CA63 purchase, Lblues.
Before going into detail: have you already played your CA63 with a pair of high-end headphones? In this thread you can find an example of CyberGene who clearly loves to play his CA63 with Sennheiser HD595 headphones, as opposed to using the built-in speaker system...

By the way, I clearly prefer to play my CA93 live, i.e. with active soundboard and 6-speaker system at acoustic grand volume, getting a satisfying immersive experience. I often even forget to switch on my CA93, being surprised there is no sound when I start to play. smile
Posted by: safari70

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/18/11 06:42 PM

TADutchman,
Does the CA93 have a parameter to adjust hammer noise?

Reason i'm asking, i see a "Hammer" control under the Noise section in your plugin, however i can't find a parameter for hammer noise on the MP10... Now, if the CA93/CA63 has one, it would be interesting to see if Kawai could add it to the MP10 in an future software upgrade...
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/19/11 02:38 AM

Originally Posted By: safari70
TADutchman,
Does the CA93 have a parameter to adjust hammer noise?

No it doesn't, except that smart dual piano voice layering can indirectly also yield some more percussive piano timbres, but I am indeed working on a creative way to integrate both Hammer Strike and Hammer Fallback into Realtime Acoustic Noise...
Posted by: safari70

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/19/11 05:38 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
I am indeed working on a creative way to integrate both Hammer Strike and Hammer Fallback into Realtime Acoustic Noise...


Wow, that would be awesome... will it be compatible with the MP10? wink
Posted by: Lblues

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/19/11 07:46 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Before going into detail: have you already played your CA63 with a pair of high-end headphones? ...as opposed to using the built-in speaker system...


Yes, i did. I use AKG K171MkII Headphones, and it is not supposed to be the worst sounding on the market. I also tried to use MAUDIO AV40 Studio monitors but in both cases i'm not pleased with the sound i get.

I tried a few of you dual voices piano patches and i must say that it improves a lot the standard single-voice piano patches. So perhaps i won't throw my CA63 through my window (too heavy anyway!).
By the way, i wonder why KAWAI does not use dual-voice for the main Piano patch ? -Concert Grand- It is supposed to deliver the best sound the instrument can play).

I have got a few questions:

- since i did not find my dream one (but until now i only tried five of your patches over 150+) does one of your patches give something close to the MP10 "Concert Grand 1" or "Pop piano 1" thant can be heard from the demo at http://kawai.de/mp10_de.htm ?

- is there a way of storing more than 8 patches ? (i suppose there is not)

- If you have got a "process" in creating your patches (i suppose you don't tweak the parameters randomly but who knows)i would be pleased to read about it. I read some posts here where you gave some tips about it.

Thanks a lot for your work and sharing it, anyway.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/19/11 04:11 PM

Just a compact reply this time (my daughter of almost 7 weeks old needs attention): I don't know what your dream patch would be like exactly, but you could for example try:

Kawai Concert Artist
Red Piano
Take the Ex To The Max
The Way It Is
Classical Piano Collection Direct
Clavinova Home Improvement
Trilogy Part 1 - Jazz
Trilogy Part 2 - Pop

And here's a simple improvisation of mine, using the more mellow but percussive sounding
Trilogy Part 3 - Classical preset:


Romantic Phantasy

Enjoy! smile

P.S. Please note that compared to e.g. normalised USB recordings, live playing my CA93 sounds warmer and more acoustic (I may do a multi-mike recording some time to prove it).
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/20/11 03:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Lblues
I tried a few of your dual voices piano patches and i must say that it improves a lot the standard single-voice piano patches... By the way, i wonder why KAWAI does not use dual-voice for the main Piano patch ? -Concert Grand- It is supposed to deliver the best sound the instrument can play).
Hear hear, my point exactly. shocked

Originally Posted By: Lblues
- since i did not find my dream one (but until now i only tried five of your patches over 150+) does one of your patches give something close to the MP10 "Concert Grand 1" or "Pop piano 1" thant can be heard from the demo at http://kawai.de/mp10_de.htm ?
I find it difficult to compare using PC speakers. Next to the above given examples, you could check out the comments that go with almost all presets in this thread, the reviews of other CA93/CA63 owners and some of the sample recordings.

Or what about this brandnew preset, mixing the essence of Concert Grand and Pop Piano for a contemporary sound:

POP GRAND IN CONCERT R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand/Studio Grand, volume 6 + Pop Piano, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +1, mid +4, high +5

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 8
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: Normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Room 2 / Stage

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 1


Originally Posted By: Lblues

- is there a way of storing more than 8 patches ? (i suppose there is not)
Well, there is one more, the user memory, so that brings the total to only 9 frown

Originally Posted By: Lblues
- If you have got a "process" in creating your patches (i suppose you don't tweak the parameters randomly but who knows)i would be pleased to read about it. I read some posts here where you gave some tips about it.
Well, a CA93/CA63 random preset generator by Pinipon can be found somewhere in this thread. grin wink
I work with timbre matching by ear, so the settings are just parameters that follow in a fuzzy logic kind of way. Here's a PDF reference paper:
Enhancing the default settings of Kawai CA63 and CA93 digital piano

Originally Posted By: Lblues

Thanks a lot for your work and sharing it, anyway.
You're welcome! thumb
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/24/11 09:02 AM

One more for the Hints & Tips category: if you like a preset but feel there's a slight something missing, try adjusting the volume slider typically in the range 4 - 5.5

I.m.h.o. not only the volume is adjusted, but according to my ears, there's a hidden multiband compressor and/or dynamic equalizer that enters the equation as well and can change the timbre and dynamics of especially dual voice layered presets quite dramatically.

Please note that volume adjustments have no effect on USB recordings at all and that the effects are quite different when you compare playing with speakers (+soundboard in case of CA93) and using headphones.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/26/11 11:49 AM

Who the .... is misusing my CA93 photograph for commercial purposes? I did not give permission for that! mad

http://www.kaboodle.com/reviews/kawai-ca93-digital-piano--ca93-digital-piano-by-kawai

Clicking on the picture even leads directly to the Kawai US website: stop it or pay for the photo to acquire copyrights! (no right to copy) tiki

For reference, here's the original post containing the picture, following upon a request by Kawai James:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1475998.html#Post1475998
Posted by: spanishbuddha

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/26/11 03:08 PM

Ah that's the Internet for you. Gave me a laugh, sorry. smile Guess you can start with Kaboodle if you're seriously annoyed.

Actually I'm curious now, how did you find it? Hidden watermark or easter egg thingy or just stumbled over it.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/26/11 04:20 PM

Originally Posted By: spanishbuddha
Actually I'm curious now, how did you find it?
Sixth sense wink
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/26/11 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Originally Posted By: Lblues
...does one of your patches give something close to the MP10 "Concert Grand 1" or "Pop piano 1" thant can be heard from the demo at http://kawai.de/mp10_de.htm ?
I find it difficult to compare using PC speakers.

Okay, therefore I changed my strategy today: I first downloaded the MP3 demo onto my USB stick and used my CA93 for playback and comparison in order to come up with this resembling patch (comments are welcome): cool


CONCERT GRAND 1 FLY BY R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 6 + Studio Grand, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -1, mid +4, high -1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright 1 / bright 2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 5
2 - 3 String resonance: 7
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: Normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Stage

Effect: none
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/26/11 07:46 PM

TADutchman, I don't believe Kawai America has any involvement in that page or Kaboodle.com. I expect 'brettmacdonald' set up the entry in order to receive affiliate/sponsor clicks-thrus. That's just the way the internet is these days, unfortunately.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted by: Lblues

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/26/11 09:02 PM

Hello,

Thanks a lot, TADutchman for you answers to my quest for a favorite sound . I appreciated you Paper ("Enhancing..."), specially the scientific publication style. I almost missed it because i read your post before you add it smile.

I'm currently reading all the "custom settings" thread and testing all the patches you published (with a few other guys). The list made by ripe_md is very handy (a spreasheet version would be coool). My preference goes actually to "Pure Analog style-closed". I'm going to give a try to your CONCERT GRAND 1 FLY BY R1.0 right away.

Concerning the global question of ear+sound=????? I agree it is very difficult to compare the readl sound from a DP, with a recording, and i understand your microphone direct recording instead of USB.

I am surprised that any DP or VSti sounds so different from one people to the other. Some praise Pianoteq (or others VStis), others say it sounds awful (in addition to each one's personal taste, they obviously don't use the same amplification). I seem to be the only one finding the CA 63 original Grand really painful to ear. My ears seem to need a good checkup!

I had the same idea as one of the posters here, i tried a multi-layer piano sound, mixing my (currently) favorite TADutch Dual Pach with A Pianoteq sound (I even tried to add another VSti: Pianissimo+Pianoteq+TAD CA563 Dual). It was just for fun and the result was... interesting. A bit like a too powerful perfume.

PS. You're a celebrity, i was recently crawling youtube in search of anything related to the CA 63 and i was happy to find a recording using a dual-voice setting. And the guy was using of of yours!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 09/27/11 02:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Lblues
I'm currently reading all the "custom settings" thread and testing all the patches you published (with a few other guys). The list made by ripe_md is very handy (a spreasheet version would be coool). My preference goes actually to "Pure Analog style-closed". I'm going to give a try to your CONCERT GRAND 1 FLY BY R1.0 right away.

Excellent: do let us know your personal top 10! And by the way, as indicated before in this thread, don't forget to check out custom touch curves for optimising the overall piano action and sound experience after having selected some presets ... cool
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/02/11 03:28 AM

Originally Posted By: safari70
Originally Posted By: TADutchman
I am indeed working on a creative way to integrate both Hammer Strike and Hammer Fallback into Realtime Acoustic Noise...


Wow, that would be awesome... will it be compatible with the MP10? wink

Quite a late response of mine, but HwyStar indicated some time ago that the first beta (with half pedalling noise only), which I sent to him, didn't work with his MP10, and here is (probably) why:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...tml#Post1762119
Posted by: Jamvector

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/09/11 02:45 PM

Hi All: New forum member stopping in to express my humble gratitude for TADutchman and all other contributors to this discussion. I am best at drums, pretty good guitar player, long time self-taught hack piano rocker. My younger son (16) is actually a very good piano player, taking lessons for about 6 years, and I finally got him setup on a CA63 after a long and thorough quest. He / we have tried all the Rolands, Yamahas, Casios and Kawais, but he loved the Kawai action and feel the best, which is ultimately what we based our decision on, but the Roland sounds on the 305/307/FP7F were definitely better (Yamaha and Casio just weren't in the same class IMO).

But, thanks to you guys, we have improved the sound significantly with the published patch list. Starting to work through it, will update the thread with our faves as we progress.

Thanks again!
Posted by: dmd

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/12/11 04:17 PM

Jam: By all means, come back to disclose what you have settled on. I have been working on the sound for a few months now and have come to the conclusion that nothing works for me. I would like to know if my taste is unique or is it something I just haven't worked hard enough at. If you find something you like I would like to try it.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/12/11 04:37 PM

Originally Posted By: dmd
I would like to know if my taste is unique...

Well, sorry to hear, I don't know whether it's unique, but at least taken from earlier experiments, your taste does seem to be somewhat further away from real acoustic piano timbres, I mean like typical noticable resonances etc...
Posted by: dmd

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/12/11 06:56 PM

It is strange. My happiness with my sound seems to change .. or my sound is changing without any modifications on my part.

For example, right now I am playing with factory default settings and it sounds just fine to me.... even nice. Of course, I am playing simple tunes with very little harmony ... classical or simple slow gospel. It sounds great.

However, I may find when I play this stuff later that the sound is not acceptable. At least that is how I seem to be experiencing it.

Right now, I am running my external sound through the PHONES jack and out through 2 Yamaha HS80M powered monitors. That seems to help remove what I describe as the "tinny" (or thin) sound and mellow it out a bit.

So, anyway, I keep trying for a sound I like because I hear others proclaiming their love for this piano.

It is a very nice DP in every other way (in my opinion, of course).
Posted by: Brometeo

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/14/11 06:46 AM

Originally Posted By: dmd
It is strange. My happiness with my sound seems to change .. or my sound is changing without any modifications on my part.


It is strange... that I feel something similar. I believe that my touch is very poor, and sometimes I am not able of getting a decent sound. Or perhaps the touch curve is a little difficult to master. Lower notes tend to a very resonant response easily.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/14/11 01:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Brometeo
...I believe that my touch is very poor, and sometimes I am not able of getting a decent sound. Or perhaps the touch curve is a little difficult to master. Lower notes tend to a very resonant response easily.

Okay, if that's the case then it should be relatively easy to fix: just start using Custom Touch! Please note that you may need some trial-and-error before yielding your own 'perfect' touch (and because brilliance is affected at the same time, you may need different touch curves depending on the preset used). whistle
Posted by: Brometeo

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/14/11 03:46 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman

Okay, if that's the case then it should be relatively easy to fix: just start using Custom Touch! Please note that you may need some trial-and-error before yielding your own 'perfect' touch (and because brilliance is affected at the same time, you may need different touch curves depending on the preset used). whistle


I am a very bad piano interpreter, in the way of enhancing my skill. First I'll try to control default touch curve better. Then, when I have a solid touch, I'll configure to my delight.

But thank you for your ideas smile
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/27/11 08:56 AM

Last weekend, our friend from East-Germany came over with his family. He's a seasoned semi-pro piano and organ player with hardly any DP experience. Therefore, I was quite curious what he would think of my CA93. After first trying out a few different presets, he soon settled for the below preset (not published before), being in awe with the spacious quality of the sound, the large dynamic range (even compared to some acoustic grands) and excellent action. He was surprised to hear the CA93's price, which normally would only buy him a fairly bad sounding acoustic upright.

In total, he must have played the CA93 for something like 5 or 6 hours at acoustic grand volume (that's excluding some lullabies for my daughter). I kind of expected a critical analytical comparison with an acoustic grand afterwards, but he was not inclined to do that, as he found the experience so immersive that he could just stay focussed on the music! (which he claims to be also beneficial for recording sessions)


TRILOGY PART 3 - CLASSICAL R1.0 HEAVY TOUCH EDITION

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 7 + Rock Piano, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +6, high +6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: Heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Room 1

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 1
Posted by: HwyStar

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/27/11 10:00 AM

That's a great comparison between a mediocre acoustical upright compared to a DP at the same price point.

Thanks for the post Dutch and the new preset! Are there any other hidden morsels you have in your bag of tricks?
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 10/28/11 06:24 AM

Originally Posted By: HwyStar
Are there any other hidden morsels you have in your bag of tricks?

Oh yeah, there's always one more valuable trick (given my R&D/inventor background), even if I don't know about it myself yet! grin

Seriously, if you'd want to slightly reduce the amount of inharmonic complexity of the preset above you could lower the layer dynamics to 6 and/or change the relative layer volume to 8 - 2. An other option is to simply the set the high EQ to a value 4 (instead of 6), taking off the sharp edge during Forte playing.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/06/11 06:24 AM

I.m.h.o. this normal touch edition is the ultimate acoustic sounding of the three (and I'm not referring to the trilogy, but to the classical touch editions)! wow I prefer playing with this preset live at volume 4.8 f

If Kawai adds a Brilliance parameter to the firmware then heavy touch action could be combined with this ultra-rich timbre... cool


TRILOGY PART 3 - CLASSICAL R1.0 NORMAL TOUCH EDITION

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 7 + Rock Piano, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: Normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Room 1

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 1
Posted by: ripe_md

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/06/11 08:47 AM

I've updated the preset list once again...
See #1 posting
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/14/11 08:40 AM

Originally Posted By: ripe_md
I've updated the preset list once again...
See #1 posting

...I'm just back from a short holiday. Great job! Thanks, mate. thumb
Posted by: Talaf

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/15/11 05:11 AM

Hi guys!

I went through the thread but didn't see a clear reply, but are those setups by any means portable to the MP6? I tried some yesterday, and it sounded funny. It's strange too because it seems I do have access to all these parameters, so even though it's not really the same sample set this should work in some way. I mean I have layer volumes, damper/string resonance, key off, dynamics (although there's one for each layer), touch, and reverb.

Could anyone do a recording, a simple one, with one or two of TADutchman's presets and post it so I could try to replicate the sounds on the MP6?

Thanks!!
Posted by: enzo.sandrolini

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/15/11 08:54 AM

Hello TADutchman
As said in another thread, I enjoye some of your preset,
but I have some trouble with the one called "Steinway" based on picked nylon.
I found the sound really "strange" and really not like a steinway.
I assume it is correct as this preset is strangely based on "picked nylon".

Is it normal ? do you get the same sound ? Did I miss something ?

Thanks,
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/15/11 09:34 AM

Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
Hello TADutchman
As said in another thread, I enjoye some of your preset,
but I have some trouble with the one called "Steinway" based on picked nylon.
I found the sound really "strange" and really not like a steinway.
I assume it is correct as this preset is strangely based on "picked nylon".

Is it normal ? do you get the same sound ? Did I miss something ?

Thanks,

Don't use it, because you own a CA93. cool

As indicated in this thread (somewhere), that preset has only been included for CA63 compatibility reasons and can have some of the effects you describe (although quite faint, so you must have good ears). Please also check out the background of the preset(s) and the comments/reviews of other CA93/CA63 users, for instance on this page:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1529960.html#Post1529960

For your CA93 you'd better use the 'steinway grand devotion' presets with Finger Nylon Gt layer or e.g. check out the Trilogy Part 3 - Classical presets. smile
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/15/11 09:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Talaf
I went through the thread but didn't see a clear reply, but are those setups by any means portable to the MP6?
No, CA93/CA63 (UPHI Console UI) setups are not compatible with the MP6 (PHI Stagepiano UI) setups. frown wink

Several sound examples have already been given in this thread (if you want you can send me a PM with your email-address). Of course others are also welcome to demonstrate their CA93/CA63 playing style(s) here. shocked whistle
Posted by: Talaf

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/15/11 10:25 AM

Thanks I looked harder and found some mp3s!

It seems headphones may play tricks on you. I'll try on speakers too smile
Posted by: enzo.sandrolini

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/16/11 07:56 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
Hello TADutchman
As said in another thread, I enjoye some of your preset,
but I have some trouble with the one called "Steinway" based on picked nylon.
I found the sound really "strange" and really not like a steinway.
I assume it is correct as this preset is strangely based on "picked nylon".

Is it normal ? do you get the same sound ? Did I miss something ?

Thanks,

Don't use it, because you own a CA93. cool

As indicated in this thread (somewhere), that preset has only been included for CA63 compatibility reasons and can have some of the effects you describe (although quite faint, so you must have good ears). Please also check out the background of the preset(s) and the comments/reviews of other CA93/CA63 users, for instance on this page:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1529960.html#Post1529960

For your CA93 you'd better use the 'steinway grand devotion' presets with Finger Nylon Gt layer or e.g. check out the Trilogy Part 3 - Classical presets. smile


Hello,
I have found that was wrong... I misunderstood thevlume control for dua voices and inverted the volume ratio for piano / finger nylon" sick
But now, I cannot hear a real difference (with same settings) between the single voice mode piano and the dual mode piano + nylon...
Is the difference so subtle ?
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/16/11 09:03 AM

Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
Hello,
I have found that was wrong... I misunderstood thevlume control for dua voices and inverted the volume ratio for piano / finger nylon" sick
But now, I cannot hear a real difference (with same settings) between the single voice mode piano and the dual mode piano + nylon...
Is the difference so subtle ?

Yes quite subtle, but at least in case you use high-end headphones for analytic listening it should become clear that some slight harmonic imperfections have been added, especially in the discant.
Posted by: enzo.sandrolini

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 11/16/11 09:22 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
Hello,
I have found that was wrong... I misunderstood thevlume control for dua voices and inverted the volume ratio for piano / finger nylon" sick
But now, I cannot hear a real difference (with same settings) between the single voice mode piano and the dual mode piano + nylon...
Is the difference so subtle ?

Yes quite subtle, but at least in case you use high-end headphones for analytic listening it should become clear that some slight harmonic imperfections have been added, especially in the discant.

Indeed, I have not used an headphone for the test, and I don't want to, as I prefer enjoying the great pleasuer you get from the sound syste of the CA93.
I will try with and headphone, but I hope you can appreciate the subtle difference also "live"
Thanks for your active participation in making even more enjoyable this DP
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/15/11 11:13 AM

Here's a slight update, improving both live sound and headphones compatibility in the process! wow While at it, I found the optimal volume slider position in both cases to be 4.9. cool


TRILOGY PART 3 - CLASSICAL R1.1 NORMAL TOUCH EDITION

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 7 + Rock Piano, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +6, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: Normal / Custom
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Normal / Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Room 1

Effect: Delay 3, time 1, depth 1
Posted by: TADutchman

Christmas Gift 2011 - feature or bug workaround? - 12/27/11 11:31 AM

Here's my special Christmas Gift for you guys (hints & tips category, italics are quotes from the CA93/CA63 Owner's Manual): cool smile

Given for any Piano preset:
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

Combine wide stretch tuning with
2 - 6 Temperament: Equal Temperament (Equal Stretch)

"This is the most popular piano temperament. The hearing ability of a human is uneven and is not as
accurate with high frequency and low frequency as it is with the middle range. This temperament’s
tuning is stretched to compensate for this so the sound will be heard naturally to the ears. This ‘stretched’
equal temperament is a practical variation of the ‘unstretched’ equal temperament which was invented
on a mathematical basis."


Surprisingly, the overall tonal balance and resonances now sound so much better than in the factory default piano temperament: Equal Temperament (piano) (Equal P.only)
"This is the default temperament. When a piano sound is selected, the tuning will be stretched like an
acoustic piano (equal temperament).
* If any other type of sound is selected, the tuning will be set to equal temperament (flat)."
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/12/12 05:29 PM

Here's a very short live in the living room CA93 test recording: shocked wink


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50102670/first%2...ereo%20pair.wav
Posted by: HwyStar

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/12/12 06:11 PM

Sounds really nice Dutch! Thanks for sharing Man.
Posted by: Brometeo

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/13/12 06:11 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Here's a very short live in the living room test recording: shocked wink


I don't understand well. What is this a test for? Sorry if I have lost some trivial info in thread 0:)
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/13/12 09:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Brometeo
What is this a test for?

Good question, this test is for:

1. Checking the basic functionality and quality of my new Lexicon FW810S / Neumann KM 183 omni stereo recording set-up (still need to do all kinds of optimisations and turn off the TV as this is not supposed to be 'Jazz at the Pawnshop').

2. Others to get an idea of what a CA93 can sound like in an actual living room (promised this before in several other threads), i.e. not in an often 'compromised' music store environment, assuming there is one nearby, nor by using rather clinical USB or line-out recordings.

To be continued...
Posted by: supertorpe

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/13/12 09:21 AM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
to get an idea of what a CA93 can sound like in an actual living room


...a CA 93 and a TV smile
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/13/12 09:48 AM

grin Yes, I was quite surprised to actually notice the clarity and correct 3D positioning of the TV in the background (about 8m back right) ..stereo omnis yielding virtual surround sound.. coolwhistle

By the way, with mediocre PC (laptop) speakers chances are that the TV background sound cannot even be detected.
Posted by: Brometeo

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/13/12 02:53 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
[quote=Brometeo]
2. Others to get an idea of what a CA93 can sound like in an actual living room (promised this before in several other threads), i.e. not in an often 'compromised' music store environment, assuming there is one nearby, nor by using rather clinical USB or line-out recordings.

To be continued...


And which CA93 sound config has used for that recording?
Posted by: Rich W

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/13/12 10:17 PM

Just a question for the CA proficient, is it possible to get piano 1's voice selections on piano 2 for the purpose of layering two of the same pianos in different octaves. Did I miss this in the manual or is this not possible with the CA series. I love the acoustic like presence of the CA93 which I could never have had with the CP179. No regrets and the lack of ensemble will not be a problem. And thankyou very much for all the information on voice tayloring.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/13/12 10:20 PM

Rich, to clarify, do you wish to combine two sounds from the same button/category?

It's a little fiddly, but it should be possible. Here's an extract of the 'Dual Mode' explanation from page 19 of the owner's manual:

Originally Posted By: CA93/CA63 owner's manual - page 19
To layer two sounds assigned to the same SOUND SELECT button, first press a SOUND SELECT button to select the initial sound, then press and hold the same SOUND SELECT button, and finally press the UP or DOWN buttons to select the desired layered sound.


I hope this helps.

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: Rich W

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/13/12 10:56 PM

blushThats the part I read right over, I will try and varify. Thank you for the rapid responce and help.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/14/12 02:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Rich W
..is it possible...layering two of the same pianos in different octaves...

Yes absolutely, see for example the PUB PIANO SING-A-LONG preset here:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1514391.html#Post1514391
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/14/12 04:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Brometeo
Originally Posted By: TADutchman
[quote=Brometeo]
2. Others to get an idea of what a CA93 can sound like in an actual living room (promised this before in several other threads), i.e. not in an often 'compromised' music store environment, assuming there is one nearby, nor by using rather clinical USB or line-out recordings.

To be continued...


And which CA93 sound config has used for that recording?


For getting this specific acoustic timbre: volume slider position 5.9


PRO SOLOIST - MELLOW VOICING R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid +3, high +4

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Heavy
2 - 6 Temperament: Equal (Equal Stretch, i.e. not P.only)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Room 1 / None

Effect: None
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/23/12 08:27 AM

This is the preset related optimisation:


PRO SOLOIST - MELLOW VOICING R2.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid +4, high +5

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2 (closed lid) / mellow 1 (half-open lid) / normal (open lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Heavy
2 - 6 Temperament: Equal (= Equal Stretch in user manual)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Room 1 / Room 2

Effect: Chorus, rate 2, depth 1
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/01/12 10:48 AM

This is the humble result of a live CA93 recording focussing on dynamics [26MB download]: recording done with the PRO SOLOIST - MELLOW VOICING R2.0 preset (closed lid, volume slider position 6.3) and a Neumann KM 183 spaced stereo pair.



http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50102670/Dynamics%20test%20Neumann%20KM%20183%20stereo%20pair.wav

If you listen carefully (with decent speakers or headphones), it could be audible in some parts that I have some small resonant body/bodies in the living (not referring to myself or my daughter). Let's try to identify them before moving on to other optimisations...
Posted by: Madlock

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/01/12 10:54 AM

This one just keeps growing and growing. I have just ordered my CA-63 and it should arrive some time next week. It's going to be a lot of work to go through this whole thread. If only there was some kind of a list of all these custom sounds... In any case, I'll probably just try to pick out the jazzy ones on my first read through and save the rest for later smile
Posted by: ripe_md

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/01/12 01:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Madlock
If only there was some kind of a list of all these custom sounds...


There is a list available, take a look at the first posting for the URL. It's even written in bold...

ripe_md
Posted by: Madlock

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/02/12 04:05 AM

Originally Posted By: ripe_md
Originally Posted By: Madlock
If only there was some kind of a list of all these custom sounds...


There is a list available, take a look at the first posting for the URL. It's even written in bold...

ripe_md


Okay, sorry, it somehow eluded me (which is strange, as it is in bold as you said...). Thanks anyways for pointing it out, not to mention compiling it!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/03/12 05:49 PM

Let's share a picture of the CA93 live recording setup: whistle

Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/03/12 05:52 PM

Wow nice!

By the way, do those lamps not produce any signal interference?

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/04/12 02:55 AM

Possibly in a good audiophile way, but I don't have any scientific proof for that yet! smokin

You can barely see it in this picture, but there are rubber damper materials and soft plastic feet attached to the lamps in order to effectively counteract low-frequency rumble (this was a topic we discussed and tackled almost two years ago, if I remember correctly). Nevertheless, it seems that my PC speakers are the culprits, as they do rumble during playback of the above-mentioned recording (i.e. not my headphones or Hifi speakers) and occasionally the cupboard and a real genuine copy of a standing Chinese abacus too. crazy smile
Posted by: Anders M

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/08/12 09:58 AM


This is an extremely useful thread !

But are there any Kawai MP10 owners out there who can verify that these settings area possible to apply on the MP10 as well ? I'm asking since I'm having a hard time deciding between the MP10 and CA93..In fact it's unclear to me how the MP10 and CA93 differs with respect to inner workings, or if the CA93 is basically just an MP10 placed inside a cabinet.

Thanks,
Anders
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/08/12 10:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Anders M
This is an extremely useful thread !
Thank you, Anders! thumb

Comparing a CA93 to an MP10 is comparing a console type DP to a stagepiano, which is always difficult.

Just listing some important differences:
* The CA93 supports dual voice mode for piano voices, which is used almost exclusively in this thread; the MP10 does not and therefore this thread is not for MP10 users (after pondering about it for some time, I decided not to buy an MP10 next to my CA93 because of this i.m.h.o. lacking key feature).
* The CA93 integrates an excellent 6-speaker system combined with a real spruce soundboard and has a fixed three pedal board.
* The MP10 has less voices but more extensive Virtual Technician parameters and Midi options.
* The MP10 is portable, has a real-time user interface and controls suitable for live gigs.
Posted by: gnembon

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/08/12 11:29 AM

I just got mine MP10 yesterday, and I am really happy about it. Maybe you can't layer pianos together but it allows you to combine pianos with other stuff like harpsichord, xylophone or strings. You can make prepared piano when you layer grand with harpsichord for instance.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/12/12 11:08 AM

The Saga continues: just compare this one live to the standard factory preset @volume >6.0 if you dare! cool


PRO SOLOIST - NORMAL VOICING R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 5 + Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid +5, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Heavy
2 - 6 Temperament: Equal (= Equal Stretch in user manual)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Room 2 / Hall 1 for headphones (NICE! wow)

Effect: Chorus, rate 4, depth 1

Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/25/12 09:26 AM

Talking of rich acoustic piano tones at your place? Just turn up the volume of this baby! cool smokin


WARM BABY-MEDIUM GRAND AT HOME R1.0 - HEAVY TOUCH EDITION

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Pop Piano 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +6, high -1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal / mellow 1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Heavy
2 - 6 Temperament: Equal (= Equal Stretch in user manual)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: Chorus, rate 3, depth 2

Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/29/12 11:12 AM

Always look at the bright side of life: grin


PRO SOLOIST - BRIGHT VOICING R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 5 + Studio Grand, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: OFF

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright 1 (open lid), normal (half-open lid), mellow 1 (closed lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Heavy
2 - 6 Temperament: Equal (= Equal Stretch in user manual)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage / Room 2

Effect: Chorus, rate 2, depth 1

Posted by: McBuster

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/01/12 10:52 AM

Just a nice, simple sound.


KAWAI CONCERT GRAND - SIMPLE v1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand / Concert Grand 5-5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: Off

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: Normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 5
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: Normal (or Light)

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Room 2 (or Stage)

Effects: Off
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/01/12 02:26 PM

That's a nice first attempt, McBuster thumb

In order to reduce the sonic artifacts resulting from layering the same piano sample (i.e. listen to each note going from pianissimo to fortissimo and I'm sure you'll notice), this relative volume change should help:


KAWAI CONCERT GRAND - SIMPLE v1.1

Dual Voice: Concert Grand / Concert Grand 6-4 (7-3) or 4-6 (3-7)

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: Off

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: Normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 5
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: Normal (or Light)

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Room 2 (or Stage)

Effects: Off
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Bug report - 03/02/12 08:47 AM

@Kawai James:

I could reproduce the following UI bug with the latest firmware version installed (also after several retries):

The PRO SOLOIST - MELLOW VOICING R2.0 (normal open lid, room 2) preset was successfully stored in registration memory 1, but apparantly could not be completely stored in user memory, i.e. after reboot the user memory has disabled the Chorus effect.

(I didn't have time to check whether it is a preset specific or a universal issue, but I have seen similar things before)
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Bug report - 03/02/12 09:39 AM

Thank you for the bug report. As always, more details are always appreciated.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/28/12 02:24 PM

Here you can find my favorite preset when using HD595 headphones (but also works fine live): cool


PRO SOLOIST - NORMAL VOICING R2.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 6 + Concert Grand 2, volume 4 (balance in display = 4 - 6)

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +1, mid +6, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Heavy
2 - 6 Temperament: Equal (= Equal Stretch in user manual)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage / Hall 1 for headphones (NICE! wow)

Effect: Chorus, rate 3, depth 1
Posted by: Amateur Jerry

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/28/12 10:37 PM

OH HAPPY DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MY CA63SB JUST ARRIVED. CAN'T WAIT TO START PLAYING IT.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 03/29/12 04:59 PM

Congratulations on your purchase, Amateur Jerry!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Bug report - 04/16/12 07:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Thank you for the bug report. As always, more details are always appreciated.

Kind regards,
James
x

Allright, here are some additional details: I've found a workaround to completely store the mentioned registration in user memory by manually editing the effect settings while in user memory and then saving to user memory (as opposed to saving a registration 1 - 8 to user memory, which does not fully work with this preset).
Posted by: Amateur Jerry

Re: Bug report - 04/16/12 10:28 PM

Hi friends,

I tried the following out at home and then went a dealer and compared the in store DP against the actual AP


KAWAI RX-2 BLAK

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 5 / Mellow Grand volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: Treble Boost

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: Dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 5
2 - 3 String resonance: 7
2 - 4 Key off effect: 4
2 - 5 Touch: Heavy
2 - 6 Temperament: Equal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage for both external and headphones

Effect: Delay 1, time 5, depth 7


I'd play the DP then play the same on the RX-2. Then I'd record on the DP and listen from a distance. They both sounded the same.
Posted by: Brometeo

Re: Bug report - 04/17/12 06:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Amateur Jerry

I'd play the DP then play the same on the RX-2. Then I'd record on the DP and listen from a distance. They both sounded the same.


I have tested and like it. My little collection of CA93 configurations seems almost complete laugh

Thank you.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Bug report - 04/25/12 12:11 PM

Hi Amateur Jerry, thanks for your contribution. thumb I like the concept and adapted a little to my personal taste.

Two things:
1. I prefer a Bright 2 voicing in this case, which sounds similar during forte playing, but gives a brighter timbre when playing pianissimo (some would say a more piano-like response, but that's open to debate).
2. The used delay 1 settings are way too pronounced, especially during staccato playing in the discant. This cannot be authentic when compared to a(ny) Kawai or other acoustic. I replaced this with either a slight Chorus or no effect at all.

Please note that the highest C(7) note sounds slightly off (as has been reported to Kawai before), let's call it imperfect samples (isn't that the name of a British company too?) wink


KAWAI RX-2 BLAK R1.0 - a TAD variation

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 5 / Mellow Grand volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +1 mid +3 high -2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: Bright 2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 6
2 - 3 String resonance: 8
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: Heavy
2 - 6 Temperament: Equal (= Equal Stretch in user manual)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Chorus, rate 2, depth 1 / None

Posted by: ripe_md

Re: Bug report - 05/02/12 02:36 PM

After about six months I've updated the settings list. You can find the URL in the first posting.

Cheeeeerio
ripe_md
Posted by: Amateur Jerry

Re: Bug report - 05/04/12 09:34 AM

TAD,

I tried your RX-2 BLAK. Quite impressive. I had to revert back to my previous voicing. The Bright 2 was just a little to high for my taste. I have a small room that I use in my house. Like an AP, that could have some effect on the setting.

One setting that did surprise me was for Effect; you selected CHORUS. I always avoided that in a DP until now. What I noticed with that setting is it mitigated that "direct - in your face" feeling you sometimes get with a DP, and in the small room I was struggling with that. I always felt the manufacturers should put the tweeters in the back of the DP, so that the sound comes from a more natural setting of an AP grand (behind the music rack). Thanks for the advice on that.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Bug report - 05/04/12 01:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Amateur Jerry
One setting that did surprise me was for Effect; you selected CHORUS. I always avoided that in a DP until now. What I noticed with that setting is it mitigated that "direct - in your face" feeling you sometimes get with a DP, and in the small room I was struggling with that.

That explanation is quite right (you have saved me some work for the hints section of this thread) and by the way it does acoustic wonders in the midrange too, i.e. a slight obfuscation/unpredictability in a good way. cool

By the way, did I already mention the more pronounced natural hammer attack, especially in the discant? whistle

Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Bug report - 05/06/12 11:01 AM

Originally Posted By: ripe_md
After about six months I've updated the settings list. You can find the URL in the first posting.

Cheeeeerio
ripe_md

Great job, thanks in the name of all visitors! thumb

Just to add some statistics: for the past year we reached an average of about 1000 visits per post here. shocked smile
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 05/17/12 03:22 PM

By coincidence, here's my DP hint of the week (for any brand):

I was curious and sceptical at the same time whether Quantum Resonance Technology would do anything at all to an audio signal (despite of several positive reviews) and finally decided to just buy the KEMP Elektroniks QA PLUG for my hifi system (as the Nordost 'competitive' product is like ten times more expensive) and put it to the test: I was really impressed with the results as it unexpectedly does as advertised on the box:

"The KE-QA PLUG is the best upgrade for a better live performance of your complete A/V system. Just plug the QA PLUG into a free outlet nearby the A/V set and enjoy the improved stage image, warm details and higher definition. - made with pride and care by KEMP ELEKTRONIKS"

The QA plug made me relisten just about all my favourite CD tracks in awe, as it's effect is not subtle, more like just having obtained a higher-end hifi system! shocked

Also the live acoustics of my CA93, which is plugged into a different outlet in the living room, are positively affected. Check it out for yourself if you dare! (your mileage may vary) wink
Posted by: SIG77

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 05/17/12 04:57 PM

I played Kawai CA93 vs. CA63 side by side with headphones. It appears that CA93 sounds with more brilliance, even though the sampling is supposedly identical. I had made sure reset the basic setting back to manufacturing default on both models. So it is not because of key touch or headphone level difference. Is it possible that CA93 has a more upscale audio processing on top of the same piano samples?
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 05/17/12 05:54 PM

SIG77, in case of headphones there should be no difference i.m.h.o. (other than production tolerances).

When playing live, I'd say that more perceived brilliance is most likely originating from the CA93's dedicated 1.9 cm tweeters, as opposed to the CA63's wider frequency range 5cm speakers.

The CA63 has a 2-way speaker system:
5 cm x 2
13 cm x 2

The CA93 has a 3-way speaker system:
1.9 cm x 2 (tweeter)
7 cm x 4 (midrange)
Soundboard Speaker System (bass)

Based on these specs, speaker placement and yes also audio-processing e.g. crossover frequencies must be different in one way or another.
Posted by: Amateur Jerry

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 06/21/12 11:35 PM

Hi Friends,

When I was buying my DP earlier this year, I was debating the 63 vs 93. For the price difference I sacrificed the 93 (improved) sound for the 63. Well, at my company raffle I won a Sharp HT SL70 sound bar (2.1).

I hooked that up through the audio out. Now I have a 6.1. I have the speakers vertical ~ 40" apart on top of the piano and the sub woofer on the floor just left of the piano. I believe I just made up the difference!

Amateur Jerry
Posted by: Galuwen

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 12/02/12 06:32 AM

Hello friends,

I really like this forum. For me it is by far the most important and inspiring source for KAWAI users :-)

Today I would like to contribute with a short note, because again a discussion about sound reproduction is "on the run".

For me the most important and underestimated sound adjustment is...*tadadaaaaa* the VOLUME control.

It is in fact not really the loudness you adjust but automactically as you try to play in the same level you experience different fields on the deeps of your instrument.

A bit like the "touch" feature the total level of volume has a great impact on the sound of my CA-93 and the playing style.

It is impressive how just 2 clicks or....hmmmm...lines on the volume slider totally change the sound of the instrument due to different sample layers or ultra progessive algorithms.

Try it out it's worth the time and the best thing. In seconds the sliders is back on the good old "middle" position :-)

Alexander
Posted by: TrumpetMan

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/10/13 01:17 PM

Hi All - first post here smile

Respect to everyone who has contributed to this thread.

I have been lurking for quite a while and have recently bought an 'ex-demo' CA63 and am generally loving it.

I have downloaded one of the pdfs containing all the presets so far, but despite reading the manual (and the whole of this thread) I am stuck.

I am trying to use 'Kawai EX - The Winners Choice (Closed Lid)'. I can layer Voice 1 with 'Concert Grand 2' and 'Mellow Grand 2', but cannot for the life of me get 'Concert Grand' into Voice 2 - all I can get on the Piano 2 key is Pop, Rock and Modern pianos.

Also, I notice that 'The Mother Of All D Grands' has 4 sounds assigned to Voice 2 (Mellow Grand 2, Concert Grand, Pop Piano and Modern Piano) - how do you achieve this?

I know that earlier in the thread someone alluded to uploading a 'how-to' guide, but the links no longer work.

Please can someone help me?

Thanks in advance.
Posted by: TrumpetMan

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/13/13 08:08 PM

OK, I can now answer my own question!

Looking at ripe_md's pdf charts, where there are more than one sound listed in the Voice 1 or Voice 2 columns, these are alternatives you can choose between.

You can only layer two sounds at a time.

It took a while for me to figure this out!
Posted by: dmd

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/13/13 11:30 PM

Originally Posted By: TADutchman
By coincidence, here's my DP hint of the week (for any brand):

I was curious and sceptical at the same time whether Quantum Resonance Technology would do anything at all to an audio signal (despite of several positive reviews) and finally decided to just buy the KEMP Elektroniks QA PLUG for my hifi system (as the Nordost 'competitive' product is like ten times more expensive) and put it to the test: I was really impressed with the results as it unexpectedly does as advertised on the box:

"The KE-QA PLUG is the best upgrade for a better live performance of your complete A/V system. Just plug the QA PLUG into a free outlet nearby the A/V set and enjoy the improved stage image, warm details and higher definition. - made with pride and care by KEMP ELEKTRONIKS"

The QA plug made me relisten just about all my favourite CD tracks in awe, as it's effect is not subtle, more like just having obtained a higher-end hifi system! shocked

Also the live acoustics of my CA93, which is plugged into a different outlet in the living room, are positively affected. Check it out for yourself if you dare! (your mileage may vary) wink


I have seen references to this item prior to this and each time I find it interesting but I just cannot "buy" it. I think I will check with a couple of local stereo shoppes and see what they know about it. When something sounds too good ... well, you know the rest.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/17/13 02:08 AM

Originally Posted By: dmd
I have seen references to this item prior to this and each time I find it interesting but I just cannot "buy" it.
Well, it would be extremely easy to simply return the QA-plug if not satisfied (free of charge), that's why I tried it in the first place. For me it turned out to be a successful experiment without running any risk. smile (please note that I have no relation with the company)

By the way, sorry for my LONG absence, guys. My wife spent several Months in hospital before giving preterm birth to our son. He was born 3 Months early, but after a lot of care and attention he's doing fine now! So, I'm slowly getting back into business again...
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/17/13 02:21 AM

Good to hear from you again TADutchman!

I'm sorry to learn of your wife's childbirth complications, but I'm glad to know that you are all well!

Take care,
James
x
Posted by: HwyStar

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/17/13 09:04 AM

Yes, it is nice to have you back in the saddle again Dutch!
Posted by: TrumpetMan

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/17/13 09:25 AM

Congratulations to all.

Sounds like some lullabys could be useful to get some peace smile
Posted by: Fryc

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/26/13 06:00 AM

Hallo to all.
Just bought Kawai CA95 black, it's here, near to me right now :-)
As newbie i have some questions.

1) Is possible to use TADutchman presets also for ca95?
2) I have downloaded pdf with all settings. But does anyone can upload the settings for Steinway Grand Devotion Rev 3 normal touching? I'm not very confident just now and i want to be sure that all the settings i do are correct. It would be of some help for me.

Thank you ... in particular to Dutchman for his incredible work!!!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/27/13 05:55 AM

Hello Fryc,
Thanks for your compliment!

To answer your questions:
1) Most sounds of the CA95 are probably still similar to some extend to the CA93 and dual voice mode is also supported (unlike e.g. the MP10), but there are several enhancements also in the virtual technician, so in order to get the most out of your CA95, you'd probably have to tweak every CA93 custom dual voice preset by ear.

2) The Steinway Grand Devotion Rev 3 normal touch was initially published in this thread, here to be exact: http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1622719.html#Post1622719
Posted by: Brometeo

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/27/13 07:17 AM

A definitive solution should be enhancing CA93 firmware for been the same than CA95 (hint for Kawai Technic department) ;D
Posted by: Fryc

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/27/13 09:01 AM

Yes, i'm trying to understand all the settings. This is the first time for me.

What i'm noticing is that there are a lot of differences in the software.

For example, reverb hall 2 doesn't exist. The types are: Room, Lounge, Small Hall, Concert Hall, Live Hall and Cathedral. For everyone of these types we can adjust DEPTH (1-10) and TIME (1-10).
The effects are even more different. We have: Stereo Delay, Ping Delay, Triple Delay and many others. It's even possible to combine them.

And finally i don't see KEY SETTINGS !!!

It's very difficult for me to understand what to do.

If you have the possibility to have under your hand the new CA95 and want to do a conversion CA93->CA95 would be wonderful :-) Not every presets of course, just some Steinway, particularly someone ideal for Chopin music.

I'm honest. The CA95's action is very good, but i don't like Concert Grand default sound. Don't like for classical music, in particular Chopin.
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/27/13 10:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Fryc
If you have the possibility to have under your hand the new CA95 and want to do a conversion CA93->CA95 would be wonderful :-)

Unfortunately, at the moment I have no funds available anymore for upgrading to a CA95. Nevertheless, I would be happy to rework and optimise all still relevant CA93 dual voice presets for CA95. cool

Just some ideas to get me on board: wink
1. Kawai wants to support this initiative, making a CA95 available (this would be very surprising).
2. Crowd funding by CA95/CA65 owners to make my hardware upgrade possible.
Posted by: Fryc

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/27/13 12:52 PM

Nice idea, i will support it :-)
Or you could go in big shop and put your magic hands on a CA95, at least for a beautiful steinway chopin piano ;-)
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/27/13 01:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Fryc
Or you could go in big shop and put your magic hands on a CA95, at least for a beautiful steinway chopin piano ;-)
The point is that especially my ears are not so magic in a noisy music shop and also the positioning of the CA95 typically is sub-optimal (and mixing exclusively with headphones generally is a bad idea), so the result would be underwhelming to say the least. Moreover, after developing and testdriving a preset for a few hours, I typically let it rest for like 24-hours and then try again if it still sounds as good as my fatigued ears of yesterday thought it would.
Posted by: Fryc

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 01/27/13 02:24 PM

Right, i understand
Hope you can upgrade soon!!!
Posted by: TADutchman

Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings - 02/08/13 12:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Fryc
Hope you can upgrade soon!!!

Well, that is not going to happen, independent of budget, as seemingly on purpose Kawai crippled dual voice mode preset development with the CA95.

As you all know, I work exclusively by ear (direct feedback) and that way of working is explicitly frustrated on the CA95. tiki cursing

See also this thread:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...tml#Post1982207

The MP10 dual voice mode nightmare (compared to MP8) apparently wasn't enough...