Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95?

Posted by: balian

Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/16/11 01:44 AM

Hi.

I want to buy the PX-130 for it's apparently more advanced technology (linear morphing system, 4 dynamic levels etc), but on the other hand I hear the keys are a lot heavier than on the Yamaha, which is a negative for me. Is it very noticeable that the technology in the Yamaha is older, like when it shifts between the preset levels as you press the keys with different velocity?
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/16/11 02:00 AM

Originally Posted By: balian
I want to buy the PX-130 for it's apparently more advanced technology (linear morphing system, 4 dynamic levels etc), but on the other hand I hear the keys are a lot heavier than on the Yamaha, which is a negative for me. Is it very noticeable that the technology in the Yamaha is older, like when it shifts between the preset levels as you press the keys with different velocity?


I happen to think that the P95 feels and sounds more natural, more like a real piano, despite weaker specs on paper. But there are people here who prefer the PX-130. The only way you'll know what you prefer is to play them for yourself. (People also like the Korg SP-170 in this price range.)
Posted by: balian

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/16/11 05:40 AM

Allright, I'll do that. Thanks.

On a side note, I came across a peculiar review of the PX-330 where the reviewer claims that it has better action and sampling than the PX-130. I was pretty sure they were identical except for some extra features and outs on the PX-330?

Quote:
Then I decided to try the PX-330, which was only about $100 more than the PX-130. I WAS BLOWN AWAY. I never imagined that for under $600 you could get something that really feels and sounds like a piano. The action is firm and responsive - no "toy" feeling at all, and noticeably better than the models one step down. The sound is excellent, the dynamic range is excellent, and the power and resonance in the bass range are MUCH greater than the slightly cheaper ones.
Posted by: RUSS SHETTLE

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/16/11 02:59 PM

Balian,

It's my understanding that the two have the same identical action by design. I've got the PX 130. I find that it's not what you read or hear about. It's easier than my acoustic Yamaha upright piano. Selecting (1) on the touch respons control seems to give it an easier touch as well, thoght it's really not actually lightening the touch. I have not tried any DP other than this one so I can't say one is better than the other. If you're that concerned, you will have to try both to decide but I don't really think there's much to be concerned about. Sound, reliability and half-way decent quality are more important to me. I will say that I love the sound of my PX 130 (through headphones) and that's without trying any other model accept for what I've heard on UTube demos.

Russ
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/17/11 02:36 PM

Originally Posted By: balian
I came across a peculiar review of the PX-330 where the reviewer claims that it has better action and sampling than the PX-130. I was pretty sure they were identical except for some extra features and outs on the PX-330?

Quote:
Then I decided to try the PX-330, which was only about $100 more than the PX-130. I WAS BLOWN AWAY. I never imagined that for under $600 you could get something that really feels and sounds like a piano. The action is firm and responsive - no "toy" feeling at all, and noticeably better than the models one step down. The sound is excellent, the dynamic range is excellent, and the power and resonance in the bass range are MUCH greater than the slightly cheaper ones.


I have played the PX-330 a decent amount... but played the PX-130 only briefly at a store, next to a PX-330. I did not notice any different feel. (I used to think that the PX-3 felt only a little better, but I have come to think it feels noticeably better, though still a little heavy/sluggish feeling for my taste.)

I was under the impression that the PX-330 and PX-130 piano sample were identical, but I heard the 130 so briefly that I wouldn't want to promise it. Maybe someone can send Dewster a PX-130 sample to confirm. I am not thrilled with the PX-330 piano sound... I would be curious to know if the PX-130 sound is actually worse...
Posted by: PianoZac

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/17/11 05:02 PM

I played the PX-3 and was surprised how far along Casio has come with their actions and sound, but the action felt sluggish to me as well. I think for the money, Casio has some very compelling little digital pianos.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 01:02 AM

Originally Posted By: anotherscott
I have played the PX-330 a decent amount... but played the PX-130 only briefly at a store, next to a PX-330. I did not notice any different feel. (I used to think that the PX-3 felt only a little better, but I have come to think it feels noticeably better, though still a little heavy/sluggish feeling for my taste.)

The action on the current series of Casio PX-30 series digitals is lighter than the older Casio Privia that I have. I really notice the difference whenever I play a new Privia. I remember my fingers used to tire after playing for an hour or so. Now they don't bother me anymore. I've gotton used to the action.
Posted by: Artur Gajewski

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 01:30 AM

Personally I don't find trust in a company that specializes in calculators, just like I don't trust Hewlett Packard in digital camera market. I mean, would you trust Toyota if they would make digital pianos? Would there be a reason why you would purchase Toyota DP over Yamaha one?

Yamaha on the other hand is something you see a lot of pros use in music business. Korg is another pro manufacturer in music business although I haven't seen them as much in piano business. I still own SP-170 and am very satisfied with my DP. I chose Korg over Yamaha because

1. Key action, I liked in better on Korg SP-170

2. SP-170 has two headphones output

Soundwise, I bet Yamaha wins but I am not the hifi-type person who counts seconds as to how long the note sustains and am not into analyzing sound as to how realistic it is. For me, SP-170 sounds beautiful and that is what made the final decision.
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 07:18 AM

Originally Posted By: Artur Gajewski
Personally I don't find trust in a company that specializes in calculators, just like I don't trust Hewlett Packard in digital camera market. I mean, would you trust Toyota if they would make digital pianos? Would there be a reason why you would purchase Toyota DP over Yamaha one?

Yamaha on the other hand


Yamaha on the other hand makes boat engines and motorbikes. :-)
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 07:22 AM

Originally Posted By: galaxy4t
The action on the current series of Casio PX-30 series digitals is lighter than the older Casio Privia that I have

I guess they have used a variety of actions over the years. Which model is your older Privia?

I thought the PX-500L keyboard was a little better than the PX-310 keyboard, but that both were lighter (less sluggish feeling) than the PX-330 or PX-3.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 12:26 PM

Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: galaxy4t
The action on the current series of Casio PX-30 series digitals is lighter than the older Casio Privia that I have

I guess they have used a variety of actions over the years. Which model is your older Privia?

I thought the PX-500L keyboard was a little better than the PX-310 keyboard, but that both were lighter (less sluggish feeling) than the PX-330 or PX-3.


I have the PX-575. Interesting that I think the PX-30 more closely resembles the P-95 in feel.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 12:33 PM

Arthur,
Does this mean you would not consider buying a motorcycle or dirtbike from Yamaha because they are mostly known for their keyboards? Most large companies make a range of products now a days. In Casio's case they have made musical instruments for over 30 years in addition to watches, calculators, POS systems, and digital cameras and other stuff.
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 12:42 PM

Originally Posted By: galaxy4t
Most large companies make a range of products now a days. In Casio's case they have made musical instruments for over 30 years in addition to watches, calculators, POS systems

yeah, Casio has made some POS. Luckily, they've made some great stuff too.
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 12:44 PM

Originally Posted By: galaxy4t
I have the PX-575. Interesting that I think the PX-30 more closely resembles the P-95 in feel.

Can you correct the PX-30 typo? Not sure if you mean PX-3, PX-330, whatever...

I thought the P-95 feel was pretty close to the PX-500L.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 01:42 PM

I have been meaning the PX-130/330/830. Those are the ones I have played recently. I have never tried a PX-3 as no place I have been has one to demo. What do you think of the new Korg Kronos?
Posted by: mflander

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 02:09 PM

So does this mean the PX-130 will function as a calculator also? I missed that in the manual...
Posted by: RUSS SHETTLE

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 02:31 PM

Originally Posted By: galaxy4t
Arthur,
Does this mean you would not consider buying a motorcycle or dirtbike from Yamaha because they are mostly known for their keyboards? Most large companies make a range of products now a days. In Casio's case they have made musical instruments for over 30 years in addition to watches, calculators, POS systems, and digital cameras and other stuff.


You have that backwords. Yamaha started out making motorcycles, I believe.
Posted by: RUSS SHETTLE

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 02:37 PM

Originally Posted By: mflander
So does this mean the PX-130 will function as a calculator also? I missed that in the manual...


Only from a tonal perspective. Music is based on mathematics so why not include a caculator. lol
Posted by: Richard Stark

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 02:39 PM

Quote:
Yamaha started out making motorcycles, I believe.


A reed organ was the first product of Yamaha :

1887: JUL Torakusu Yamaha builds his first reed organ and begins taking orders for more.

1954: AUG The company's expertise in metallurgical technologies leads to the manufacture of the first Yamaha motorcycle, the YA-1. First-year production: 125.
Posted by: RUSS SHETTLE

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 02:55 PM

Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: galaxy4t
The action on the current series of Casio PX-30 series digitals is lighter than the older Casio Privia that I have

I guess they have used a variety of actions over the years. Which model is your older Privia?

I thought the PX-500L keyboard was a little better than the PX-310 keyboard, but that both were lighter (less sluggish feeling) than the PX-330 or PX-3.


You realize, I hope, that a harder action like you have with an acoustic strengthens your fingers and that’s good for you in the long run. I’ve had my PX 130 now for about 3 weeks and my hands never ached so much after the first night of getting use to it. My older DP that I played for years has a very light organ-like touch to it. I also have an old Yamaha upright acoustic piano but I never play it because it’s always out of tune and sounds awful. After 3 weeks of beating the keys to death on my PX 130, I can say I’m playing stronger, better and with greater accuracy than ever before and it feels good to. I don’t know and can’t say this one DP is harder than another but regardless of any slight difference, having it is a benefit to anyone who learned by a lighter touch.
Posted by: RUSS SHETTLE

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 03:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Richard Stark
Quote:
Yamaha started out making motorcycles, I believe.


A reed organ was the first product of Yamaha :

1887: JUL Torakusu Yamaha builds his first reed organ and begins taking orders for more.

1954: AUG The company's expertise in metallurgical technologies leads to the manufacture of the first Yamaha motorcycle, the YA-1. First-year production: 125.


OK, there you have it. What about Casio? Do you know what their first product line was? I’m thinking it was probably digital watches.
Posted by: Richard Stark

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 03:16 PM

According to this site a calculator was among the first products. smile

In november 1974 was the Casiotron was born, the first electronic wristwatch from Casio.

The first musical instrument was in januari 1980.
Posted by: RUSS SHETTLE

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 03:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Richard Stark
According to this site a calculator was among the first products. smile

In november 1974 was the Casiotron born, the first electronic wristwatch from Casio.

The first musical instrument was in januari 1980.


Thanks Rich,
I took a look. Casio has an impressive history of innovations. One shouldn’t discount what Casio may come out with in the future in regard to DP’s. I recently bought the PX 130 because of the overwhelming reviews and because I wasn’t aware of other DP’s, made by more namely companies in the music business. Now that I’ve learned more about what’s out there and what I could have had instead, I’m still satisfied with my Casio. Partly due to this forum, it’s obvious to me now that Casio has not earned a reputation equal to the others such as Yamaha.
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 05:36 PM

Casio has also made some other very interesting keyboards in the past, like the CZ-1. And the AZ-1 "keytar" is cool.
Posted by: Cyborg

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 08:31 PM

Balian,

It's as simple as trying both out and taking home or ordering the one you like the best. Don't get too hung up on tech specs, etc. Both are fine instruments and should last you for years.
Posted by: RUSS SHETTLE

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 08:51 PM

Balian,

I listened to the PX 130 along with others on Utube and chose it by that alone, I was sold. Also, don’t judge any of them by their internal speakers. Listen to them through headphones for comparison only. The internal speakers are too small to know the full sound capabilities of any model. Utube has many samples on various keyboards at various price ranges. Most Utube recordings were done through monitor speakers or they were able to pipe in the actual sound as you would hear them thought headphones. Use headphones with your computer though if shopping this way. This is how I shopped. The PX 130 was in my affordable price range and I chose it based on the sound given by these Utube samples. I was not disappointed. Now that it’s with me, I play it using a good pair of headphones only. Now, I’m looking on getting a pair of quality monitor speakers.
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: Casio PX-130 or Yamaha P-95? - 01/18/11 11:58 PM

Originally Posted By: galaxy4t
What do you think of the new Korg Kronos?

I think it looks terrific and I'm really looking forward to trying it. I'm thinking about getting the 61 key version for a lighter weight organ and synth, and if it's piano sound is all it's cracked up to be, driving the piano sound with a weighted board that isn't as heavy to carry around. The other piece that really interests me is the Nord Stage 2.