Kawai CP139 or Clavinova CVP505?

Posted by: hermie

Kawai CP139 or Clavinova CVP505? - 02/21/11 11:45 PM

I know this is apples and oranges, but as far as I can tell the CP139 falls somewhere between the CVP503 and the CVP505 in terms of features.

There's one dealer here in the Upper Midwest that handles both Kawai and Yamaha. They don't seem willing to budge from $5990 USD for the CVP505, and $4300 for the Kawai.

Do these prices seem reasonable? Anyone have a strong opinion about the two in comparison. I know it's probably a matter of which one sounds and feels better to me, but I'm addled. I think the Clav is more pleasing to play, but I'm going back and forth some. I don't know that the price difference is worth it.

I'd so appreciate any opinions.

Thanks in advance,

David

PS I've been assuming I'd buy a "cabinet" piano in deference to my wife's aesthetics, but if anyone could suggest a stage piano with similar sound/touch/features that would be more affordable, maybe I should broaden my horizon.
Posted by: dewar

Re: Kawai CP139 or Clavinova CVP505? - 02/21/11 11:57 PM

For the 505 that's about right, though maybe a few hundred less.

For instance this one brand new is selling for about 5750 shipping included.

http://cgi.ebay.com/YAMAHA-CVP-505-CLAVI...=item41571262ae

For 500 bucks id got on a road trip myself. Unless the piano's polished ebony. Then it would shoot up an extra 5 or 600
Posted by: MacMacMac

Re: Kawai CP139 or Clavinova CVP505? - 02/22/11 12:18 AM

When you say that "they don't seem willing to budge ...", I wonder what were the circumstances.

Did you make an offer?
Posted by: hermie

Re: Kawai CP139 or Clavinova CVP505? - 02/22/11 12:32 AM

Thanks for responding.

A month ago, I was told 5999. I was in a different store last week (same company), and was told the lowest was 6700. A few days later I asked if they could get it closer to 5000. He said it was on the list at 5990. They quote it as something firm on their list of available instruments.
Posted by: hermie

Re: Kawai CP139 or Clavinova CVP505? - 02/22/11 12:39 AM

Originally Posted By: dewar

For instance this one brand new is selling for about 5750 shipping included.

http://cgi.ebay.com/YAMAHA-CVP-505-CLAVI...=item41571262ae


I've seen the ebay ads for this company. Do you know anything about them? As I understand it, Yamaha does not permit their products to be sold online. Is there anything to be concerned about with respect to the quality of their merchandise, or their source? They seem to be the only ones doing this.

Thanks for your response.
Posted by: dewar

Re: Kawai CP139 or Clavinova CVP505? - 02/22/11 12:45 AM

Not sure. They could be a 3rd party resales. Get piano's on the cheap somewhere and resell.

I mean it's not really a dealership. It would just be some people with a bunch of product to sell.

I'm surprised dealers haven't done it. Use a 3rd party company to get their goods out there on the net to see. Customer orders from the 3rd party, the 3rd party puts in an order at the dealer, 3rd party picks it up, ships it, and the dealer gets the much needed sales.
Posted by: hermie

Re: Kawai CP139 or Clavinova CVP505? - 02/22/11 10:44 AM

Originally Posted By: dewar
Not sure. They could be a 3rd party resales. Get piano's on the cheap somewhere and resell.



Could be. Maybe I'll try to reach them by phone. I also wonder if there's a down side in not having a local entity for service if there are problems.
Posted by: MacMacMac

Re: Kawai CP139 or Clavinova CVP505? - 02/22/11 11:21 AM

I bought the piano at a local dealer. But the dealer doesn't do ANY service. There are local shops that provided this service for me. He has no relationship to the dealer.

In short, the piano dealer took my money and delivered the piano. Nothing more.
Posted by: MikeVB

Re: Kawai CP139 or Clavinova CVP505? - 02/23/11 02:33 AM

Coincidentally, I just purchased the Kawai CP139 this month. Yes, $4,300 is a pretty good price. I ultimately paid $3,900 out the door/out of my pocket complete. That is including taxes (0% from a no sales-tax state), and no delivery or setup charge. To be fair, I actually paid $4,000 but if one purchases the piano in the month of February as I did you get $100 off in the "Great Kawai Rebate program.

Otherwise and regrettably, I'm not familiar with, don't own or haven't played the other pianos you mention so can't compare them to the CP139. But I will say this, not just because I've wanted a Kawai since I first heard one of their acoustics in the 70s (it is replacing my Korg), the sound on this thing is truly amazing. I first and foremost wanted a piano that replicates the sound of a grand as close as one could imagine a digital could. For me this does it. But over and above that there are tons of features, mostly very worthy and productive but also a few bells and whistles. Particularly enjoyable is that there are 900+ onboard sounds (even something like 40 or 50 different pianos AND organs, EACH) as well as the 16-track recorder just to mention what I feel are the best things about it. It is solidly built, looks wonderful and I feel I've only scratched the creative surface with it. I know I'll get years and years of enjoyment out of it. Could I have bought another DP and been satisfied with it too? Certainly. But I have to say that I am completely and unequivocally happy with my Kawai.

Best of luck on whatever you ultimately decide.
Posted by: hermie

Re: Kawai CP139 or Clavinova CVP505? - 02/23/11 09:33 AM

Originally Posted By: MikeVB
Coincidentally, I just purchased the Kawai CP139 this month. Yes, $4,300 is a pretty good price. But I have to say that I am completely and unequivocally happy with my Kawai.

Best of luck on whatever you ultimately decide.


I was about to write "isn't anyone going to champion the Kawai?" this morning, when I opened the board and found your posting. Thanks, and congratulations on your purchase. It's helpful to hear your enthusiasm.
Posted by: MikeVB

Re: Kawai CP139 or Clavinova CVP505? - 02/23/11 11:46 PM

You're welcome. But quite sincerely, the Kawai is a beautiful instrument and needs no extra praise over and above what it inherently offers. Even so, should you get no definitive postings identifying fair and accurate comparisons, at some point you may end up just spinning your wheels over things entirely subjective. At that point you should just trust your gut instincts and please yourself. You can hardly go wrong.
Posted by: Bn2brazil

Re: Kawai CP139 or Clavinova CVP505? - 05/07/12 02:01 AM

I just bought a Kawai CP139 for a total of $3,600. 

I first went to Carnes piano in San Jose, CA.  Talked with Bozkurt.  He was extremely helpful in explaining sound and performance differences across product lines.  They didn't have any CPs to try out.  I went to LA for business.  Visited a Kawai dealer there.  They helped me decide on the model I wanted but I was wary of their price--around $4,800.  I saw people online talking about prices closer to $3,800, but wasn't sure if I could trust a forum post.  I called Bozkurt just to compare prices and without telling him the LA price or the online price he quoted about $3,800!!  I was pretty bugged that the LA store tried to get me to pay so much more.  Went back to Carnes as soon as I got home.  Final price $3,500 after shipping, taxes, and rebate.  I had to wait a few extra weeks because they didn't have it in stock but it was worth it.  Great piano.  Honest pricing.  Excellent service.


Piano research results to follow.

I compared Kawai CA63, CA93, CP117, Yamaha CVP501, CVP503.

I am an intermediate piano player but I love to play by ear. I can easily spend over an hour in the evenings just playing around and discovering new songs and melodies. I read sheet music very slowly but then I can memorize it easily.

My observations:

- Yamaha piano bass notes sound more muffled than the Kawai.
-The other Yamaha  instrument voices felt more realistic than Kawai in both sound and performance(how the sound responded to key action)--guitar, brass, strings, etc.
-Yamaha prices--501:$4200, 503:$5300
-no touch screen on the 501 or 503
-plastic key feel on the 501 and 503

-CA93 best performance feel for digital piano-wooden keys, key release, sound board.
-CA63 small step down in performance-wooden keys
-CP139 same as CA63 but with added instrument and rhythm voices-wooden keys, touch screen 
-CP117 plastic keys and less sounds than CP139

-I prefer the Kawai piano sound over the Yamaha.
-The Kawai digital pianos have the same unique sound as their acoustic models--I specifically notice this in the bass notes--a very rich sound.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Kawai CP139 or Clavinova CVP505? - 05/07/12 02:22 AM

Bn2brazil, congratulations on your purchase!

I believe you've paid a good price for a versatile instrument.

If you are willing, please add the purchasing information to the 'Piano Prices Paid' thread at the top of this forum.

Kind regards,
James
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