YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano

Posted by: Grand Piano Haus

YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/23/12 04:39 PM

Coming this Summer 2012

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150516992932825.368983.192510932824&type=1


Enjoy,

Jeff Tasch
Grand Piano Haus
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/23/12 05:10 PM

Thanks Jeff!

This looks interesting - my colleagues tell me that the Kawai HA11 (circa 2000) was based on the same concept.

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: gvfarns

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/23/12 05:10 PM

Thanks for these pics, Jeff! I am indeed interested to see these when they become available.
Posted by: Bogs

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/23/12 05:30 PM

At first I thought Winter NAMM was boring just by reading the online news, but now after watching some videos on youtube, I'm really excited about the Roland LX15 and Yamaha NU1. The videos were shot with a hand-held camera, but the sound coming from those pianos is just amazing!

There's been a lot of negativity with the "DPs' internal sounds can't touch a $400 software piano" [which is true, unfortunately], but another area of interest in these forums is how to make that software piano sound just as good though speakers as they do through headphones. Apparently studio monitors improve the sound, but something is still missing or maybe there are just too many variables to make them sound good. I'm glad DP manufacturers are actively working on this area and more and more models are coming out with amazing sound systems!

Now I can only hope in time [5 years maybe?] these innovations will trickle down to lower-priced models too or that the cost of manufacturing will lower or that I win the lottery laugh
Posted by: Bogs

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/23/12 05:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
This looks interesting - my colleagues tell me that the Kawai HA11 (circa 2000) was based on the same concept.
Wow! Why hasn't it taken off then? I'm baffled how sometimes good ideas are accepted by consumers/the marketplace and great ideas are just left in the dust, only to come back a decade later with a vengeance! *grin*
Posted by: gvfarns

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/23/12 05:46 PM

Hopefully the NU1 will be a trickle down of some of the sound technology in the higher end AvantGrands.

By the way, there's a youtube video of a guy playing the NU1 (with a clear front so you can see the action) at NAMM. The guy holding the camera mentions that it's the only AvantGrand that features a sound sample from the CFX, contrary to what we have heard earlier. I'm inclined to think the guy with the camera is wrong, but we don't have anything authoritative to verify either claim, unfortunately.
Posted by: Dave Ferris

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/23/12 07:33 PM

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Posted by: mitzysman

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/23/12 09:35 PM

i wonder what the price will be and how it compares the N1
Posted by: dewster

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/23/12 10:58 PM

Originally Posted By: gvfarns
Hopefully the NU1 will be a trickle down of some of the sound technology in the higher end AvantGrands.

Lets hope not. But I guess they don't dare release a lower end model with better sound. Internal competition is such an innovation killer.
Posted by: Dr Popper

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/23/12 11:28 PM

Originally Posted By: gvfarns
The guy holding the camera mentions that it's the only AvantGrand that features a sound sample from the CFX, contrary to what we have heard earlier. I'm inclined to think the guy with the camera is wrong, but we don't have anything authoritative to verify either claim, unfortunately.



They said that about the N1 but with this I'm not so sure as the CFX sampling has been finished for quite some time so its indeed possible however nothing in Yamaha's blurb says anything about that so I'd be inclined to say no it doesn't.
I can find out pretty quickly with one email and I will do so to clear the matter up.
Posted by: PianoZac

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/23/12 11:55 PM

Interesting piece of kit. I wonder what the price will be? Retail price of $7,999 or more?
Posted by: gvfarns

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 12:37 AM

"Piece of kit?" That's a new expression to me. smile

Reports suggest that it will be substantially cheaper than the N1 so I would be very surprised if it was as high as 7,999.
Posted by: Dave Horne

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 03:33 AM

I would imagine the price will be less than the N1, that makes sense.

The guys who feel a grand piano action is too heavy now have the option of an upright action. smile
Posted by: mitzysman

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 06:02 AM

I'm going to guess msrp of 5999 and a street price of 4500
Posted by: Dr Popper

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 08:51 AM

Originally Posted By: mitzysman
I'm going to guess msrp of 5999 and a street price of 4500


Sounds about right to me
Posted by: 36251

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 09:08 AM

This would never be on my radar cause of the action. My N2 might be considered a little heavy but I played a grand last week on gig enjoyed it much better after finally having something nice to practice on instead of the upright action I lived with for the past 8 years.
Posted by: PianoZac

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 10:16 AM

I agree 36251, it is definitely nice having something like the AvantGrand to practice on. I played on mine last night for a while before going to a jazz class where in that particular room, they use a P22 Yamaha upright, and though the upright is nice and sounds nice, I'd rather have my N1 for day to day usage.

I'm still going with $7,999 MSRP with a street price of around $5,999. That instrument seems much nicer than the Roland LX10F and more costly than even the CS9, being that the NU1 utilizes both an acoustic cabinet and action. I may be wrong though!
Posted by: kippesc

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 11:03 AM

Originally Posted By: gvfarns
By the way, there's a youtube video of a guy playing the NU1 (with a clear front so you can see the action) at NAMM. The guy holding the camera mentions that it's the only AvantGrand that features a sound sample from the CFX, contrary to what we have heard earlier. I'm inclined to think the guy with the camera is wrong, but we don't have anything authoritative to verify either claim, unfortunately.


Here's that Youtube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TDn2mTEb6A

From the comments section of that video:

"We have received several inquiries about our statement in the video narration that the NU1 is the only Yamaha product to contain the new CFX sample. That statement was verified by several people from Yamaha before we created this video. The Avant Grand line all contain the piano sample from Yamaha's CFIIIS, not the CFX. The CFX samples were not available when the Avant Grand line was released.
chicagopianos 9 hours ago"

Here's what I'd like to know: (i) Where are the speakers? (ii) An upright action with probably lower quality audio, reproducing a higher quality sample with little or no spatial mumbo-jumbo and maybe no TRS. Who will want this thing? All those people out there who would buy a CFX concert grand, if only it had an upright action in it?

Edit: Okay, I see a speaker grill at the knees and along the top of the piano.
Posted by: gvfarns

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 11:54 AM

Thanks for pointing that comment out.

I agree with the sentiment about the target audience. Though there does exist a price at which it would be the best piano in the range and a good deal. Say, 3K-4K. It would trounce whatever is there right now (mostly $2000 pianos but with improved speakers and cabinetry). It would satisfy people looking to step up from a normal DP without blowing 8K or more.

I am, however, surprized they are doing it. We'll have to wait and see how successful a product it is. I'm sure they did some focus groups or something. smile
Posted by: dewster

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 12:00 PM

Originally Posted By: kippesc
Who will want this thing? All those people out there who would buy a CFX concert grand, if only it had an upright action in it?

I view an upright action as probably more on par quality-wise with Yamaha's current sample playback technology, so maybe it's a good fit from that angle.

Though, yes, who is the target demographic here? Who will shell out the dough to get a genuine (i.e. heavily modified) upright action coupled to decades old sampling methods in something fairly non-portable?
Posted by: PianoZac

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 12:42 PM

For a serious piano student who lacks both space and money, perhaps can't bother his neighbors with the sound, it makes sense. Also for churches, schools, conservatories etc, I see the appeal.
Posted by: dewster

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 02:51 PM

Originally Posted By: ZacharyForbes
For a serious piano student who lacks both space and money, perhaps can't bother his neighbors with the sound, it makes sense. Also for churches, schools, conservatories etc, I see the appeal.

Churches, schools, sure. But Yamaha also seems to be marketing the AG line towards DP and AP enthusiasts, which is the part I don't get. AP enthusiasts won't likely be satisfied with any current DP (as a full replacement) and DP enthusiasts are largely consigned to rolling their own.
Posted by: PianoZac

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 03:51 PM

The NU1 comes across as the logical next step down from the N1. Price and feature wise. Yamaha has hybrids that cover all the market. I don't really know what else Yamaha can offer to complete their line of hybrids. If a school, church, conservatory, or just someone needing to practice on an acoustic, but can't swing it because of space, money, or location (neighbors) the NU1 becomes an attractive instrument. I will say in order for it to be worth it, it will need to be several thousand less than the N1, since you're not getting a grand piano action. That in itself is worth the price of admission for most AvantGrand owners I'd be willing to bet.
Posted by: PianoZac

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 04:57 PM

So I guess I was wrong...the NU1 looks to be around $6,000 MSRP
Posted by: sullivang

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 05:11 PM

CFX samples eh - that's great. Now if they could just release an NM1 (MODULE) so I could connect it to my $1K Casio controller, I might get one. :P

Greg.
Posted by: piRround

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 05:44 PM

Originally Posted By: sullivang
CFX samples eh - that's great. Now if they could just release an NM1 (MODULE) so I could connect it to my $1K Casio controller, I might get one. :P

Greg.


+1
Posted by: Amaruk

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 05:48 PM

I also don't understand what customers they are targeting here. The list price is going to be interesting to find out. Several thousand less than N1 and it will be a hit. If the price is close to that of the N1 this will be a difficult product to sell. My guess is that this action costs about the same to make as the one in N1 thus the margins are going to be much smaller on this piano.
Posted by: Dave Horne

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 05:55 PM

Who knows, maybe the sales of acoustic uprights are down and Yamaha decided to market this new model as an afterthought to unload their action inventory.

Seriously though, the sales of uprights keep getting going lower.

http://www.bluebookofpianos.com/uspiano.htm
Posted by: Amaruk

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 06:06 PM

Good point Dave! That would make sense.
Posted by: ando

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 06:31 PM

Just a technicality, but surely we shouldn't be calling this model an "AvantGrand" since it's not a grand at all, but an upright?
Posted by: Amaruk

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 06:41 PM

The sound is from a grand... But the word hybrid seems fitting this time... smile
Posted by: gvfarns

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 09:01 PM

AvantUpright. Doesn't have quite the same ring to it, does it? smile
Posted by: dewster

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/24/12 11:40 PM

Originally Posted By: gvfarns
AvantUpright. Doesn't have quite the same ring to it, does it? smile

Next up, the AvantSpinet: the looped sound of a 9' CFX with super short keys, 36" case, 5" full-range speaker / 3W mono amp.
Posted by: erichlof

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 12:22 AM

You have to continue with the Yamaha naming tradition.

from large to small model:
AvantGrand
ArtStudio
Studio64 (refers to a shorter keyboard with less keys at each end)
UprightIdea
Vertigo
VertialPiano
SitnSpinet

laugh

If Yamaha uses any of these - I want my royalty check!
Posted by: kippesc

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 01:08 AM

"SitnSpinet" is inspired -- that gets my vote.

Here's a Yamaha press release already posted in the NU-1 thread on the Piano Forum:

http://www.harmonycentral.com/blogs/News...-upright-action
Posted by: gvfarns

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 03:09 AM

Does anyone know where Zachary found the MSRP (of $6,000)? I can't find any references to it. Was that a speculation?
Posted by: bennevis

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 05:04 AM

The only justification for its price is its use of CFX samples. Which makes me think that the whole AG line-up will be overhauled (and all their prices raised) very soon, and their current CF-IIIS samples replaced or supplemented with CFX ones, just as CFX is replacing CF-IIIS in the world's concert halls.

People who don't know the history and genesis of pianos may not realize that uprights are very much a late compromise due to pressure of space in homes in the 19th century. Cristofori (credited with the invention of the piano) based it on the harpsichord which had (and still has) horizontal strings circa 1711. The AG N1 takes up no more space than an upright, and it simply makes no sense to me why anyone would want to make (or buy) a compromise with upright action that's hardly any cheaper and takes up the same amount of space as one that has grand piano action. Except for the updated sound samples of course....... grin
Posted by: Dr Popper

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 05:27 AM

Originally Posted By: kippesc
Originally Posted By: gvfarns
By the way, there's a youtube video of a guy playing the NU1 (with a clear front so you can see the action) at NAMM. The guy holding the camera mentions that it's the only AvantGrand that features a sound sample from the CFX, contrary to what we have heard earlier. I'm inclined to think the guy with the camera is wrong, but we don't have anything authoritative to verify either claim, unfortunately.


Here's that Youtube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TDn2mTEb6A

From the comments section of that video:

"We have received several inquiries about our statement in the video narration that the NU1 is the only Yamaha product to contain the new CFX sample. That statement was verified by several people from Yamaha before we created this video. The Avant Grand line all contain the piano sample from Yamaha's CFIIIS, not the CFX. The CFX samples were not available when the Avant Grand line was released.
chicagopianos 9 hours ago"

Here's what I'd like to know: (i) Where are the speakers? (ii) An upright action with probably lower quality audio, reproducing a higher quality sample with little or no spatial mumbo-jumbo and maybe no TRS. Who will want this thing? All those people out there who would buy a CFX concert grand, if only it had an upright action in it?

Edit: Okay, I see a speaker grill at the knees and along the top of the piano.


I'm checking further up the chain of command but the preliminary information I'm getting is that this piano does NOT have a CFX sample in it.
Posted by: gvfarns

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 10:15 AM

This is all very strange. What I would expect based on the info I've seen is that both the N1 and the NU1 would use CFX samples.
Posted by: PianoZac

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 10:42 AM

Gvfarns, if you take the link in the OP's initial link with the posted pictures on facebook, there is a comment from Grand Piano Haus that price will be $5,999. Bennevis, I agree with you to a degree about why go for the NU-1, but you have to remember the N1 is still $3,000 more expensive, which for a lot of people is quite a step up in price. I still the NU-1 as a smart and logical step in Yamaha's hybrid piano market. They have the market cornered.
Posted by: 36251

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 12:09 PM

All this talk about CFX samples! The N2 with its CF-IIIS samples is pretty darn dark sounding. I like it very much but also like to change to the brighter one when I jam with people and use Aebersold. I find nice. I will be interested in hearing the CFX sample. It would have to be a lot richer in sound, for me to consider trading up some day. Obviously, I would never trade down to upright version even if it had a Fazioli sample.

Of course if a newer version of AG with CFX sample as well as better EP sounds with stereo vibrato and some other things that add to the experience of an acoustic; then I would certainly go for it. One other thing they could do was to add a strip along top in front of music rack that you could muffle strings or pluck; that would be very cool!!!
Posted by: Grand Piano Haus

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 12:12 PM

YAMAHA NU-1 Specifications:

Keyboard:
88notes (A1-C7)
Type: White Keys: Acrylic resin/ Black Keys: Phoenolic resin
Action: Specialized Upright Piano Action for NU-1
Touch Sensitivity (Fixed/Soft/Medium/Hard)

Pedal:
Number of Pedals: 3(Damper w/half pedal effect, Sostenute & Soft)
GP Responsive Damper Pedal: YES

Voice:
Tone Generation Technology: CFX Sampling
Polyphony (Max.): 256
Number of Voices: 5

Functions:
Reverb, Metronome, Tempo, Transpose, Tuning, Scale (7 Types), Intelligent Acoustic Control

Song (MIDI):
Preset Songs: 50 + 5 Demo
Recording Songs: 10 User
Tracks: 1

USB Audio Recorder: YES

Headphones: YES x 2
MIDI: IN/OUT
AUX IN: [L/L+R][R]
AUX OUT: [L/L+R][R]
USB: [TO HOST][TO DEVICE]

Dimensions: W X D X H (1501mm x 463mm x 1024mm)

Weight: 109kg

Music Rest: Yes

YAMAHA's M.S.R.P. (USA) $5,499

Available by Summer 2012
Posted by: gvfarns

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 12:20 PM

Wow, great information. Thanks G.P.H.! Do you have access to this same specification sheet for the N1? There's been talk about it having CFX sampling as well.
Posted by: Grand Piano Haus

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 12:26 PM

According to Yamaha's N1, N2 & N3 brochure under Voice section (Tone Generation Technology) Yamaha calls it Spatial Acoustic Sampling. I believe Yamaha sampled the CFIII-S via four separate microphones for these models. In the NU-1 brochure that I have it clearly states "CFX Sampling"
Posted by: doremi

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 01:18 PM

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Posted by: 36251

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 01:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Grand Piano Haus
According to Yamaha's N1, N2 & N3 brochure under Voice section (Tone Generation Technology) Yamaha calls it Spatial Acoustic Sampling. I believe Yamaha sampled the CFIII-S via four separate microphones for these models. In the NU-1 brochure that I have it clearly states "CFX Sampling"
And the plot thickens. Did Yamaha do a quick stereo sample from CFX to keep price point different from AG line?
Posted by: Dr Popper

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 07:34 PM

It wasn't quick ....took about 3 months
Posted by: Dr Popper

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 07:37 PM

I can also confirm that it has a version of the CFX sample set
Posted by: gvfarns

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 07:51 PM

Can you confirm or deny what James was told about the N1 having the CFX sample set as well?
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 07:53 PM

"A version"?

James
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Posted by: Kawai James

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 07:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
It wasn't quick ....took about 3 months


Did they get Alicia to press each key again?
Posted by: doremi

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 08:05 PM

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Posted by: Kawai James

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 08:18 PM

Originally Posted By: doremi
It is probably done with robotic fingers...


Ah, that explains why Arnold visited Hamamatsu last year!

Posted by: PianoZac

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 08:26 PM

Hahaha James, that's hilarious. The N1 uses CFIIIS samples, same as the N3/2.
Posted by: doremi

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 08:28 PM

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Posted by: dewster

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/25/12 11:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
"A version"?

Yamaha likes to slice and dice these things depending on how much you spend. The problem is they perform this unnecessary surgery regardless of how much you spend.

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Did they get Alicia to press each key again?

Ha ha! That stupid story never gets old. I'm just not 100% clear on the main intended target of that bamboozling (i.e. did they actually lead Alecia to believe she was participating in the sampling process, or was she in on it?).
Posted by: mitzysman

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/26/12 12:47 AM

i think i would like a piano like this if it came in about 4000.00 street. I had a upright last year but couldn't take the double striking and lack of fast repetition like a grand can do. So I went back to digital. But if they somehow fixed the repetition issue in this action that would be a big plus. Although i sure would like an N1 if i could pay cash for one.
Posted by: Dr Popper

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/26/12 01:56 AM

Originally Posted By: gvfarns
Can you confirm or deny what James was told about the N1 having the CFX sample set as well?


The N1 has the same CF111s based sample set as the N2 and N3
Posted by: Dr Popper

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/26/12 01:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
"A version"?

James
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Yep a version, for instance the s6 was sampled in one session then those samples were processed into different versions for different Yamaha products, Motif, CP1, CLP series etc
The CFX has been sampled and now will be placed into various new model Yamaha pianos over the next couple of years.
Posted by: Dave Horne

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/26/12 05:15 AM

I don't believe this was posted here ...

http://usa.yamaha.com/news_events/pianos_keyboard/authentic_touch_elegant_form/

1/19/2012 [Pianos & Keyboards]
Superb Upright Launches New Hybrid Piano Category

ANAHEIM, Calif.—Yamaha introduces the NU1, a new hybrid piano that combines the traditional sound and feel of an acoustic instrument with the industry's most innovative digital technology. Featuring the same acoustic piano action used in Yamaha upright pianos, housed in a refined, compact design, the NU1 brings the renowned sound of Yamaha to any home.

NU1 is part of a newly established hybrid category that also features the AvantGrand Series of pianos. Introduced in 2009, the acclaimed technology of the AvantGrand offers advanced piano sound reproduction without the tuning, cost or footprint of a comparable stringed instrument. This hybrid category caters to serious players who live in small spaces, as well as families on limited budgets, offering them the feel and sound of an acoustic grand.

"The touch and feel of a piano is vitally important to any pianist, whether they're just starting out or playing at a professional level," says Jim Levesque, hybrid piano marketing manager, Yamaha Corporation of America. "The NU1 delivers an authentic playing experience that is almost indistinguishable from that of an acoustic piano."

With the same action and natural wood keys used in Yamaha's finest upright pianos, the NU1 offers a realistic feel that is sure to inspire. The NU1 utilizes Yamaha's newly-developed acoustic technology to reproduce the characteristic resonance felt when playing an acoustic piano. This authentic action is complemented by remarkable sound sampled directly from Yamaha's elite fleet of hand-built concert grand pianos.

The elegant simplicity of the NU1 blends effortlessly into any setting, adding an air of distinction without being imposing. Echoing the superb sound and playability of the AvantGrand Series, the NU1 offers the warmth and natural presence of an acoustic instrument in a stylish, compact form.

For more information on the NU1, visit Yamaha Corporation of America at Winter NAMM 2012 at the Anaheim Marriott Marquis Ballroom; write Yamaha Corporation of America, Keyboard Division, P.O. Box 6600, Buena Park, CA 90622; telephone (714) 522-9011; e-mail infostation@yamaha.com; visit www.yamaha.com/keyboards.
Posted by: doremi

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/26/12 09:44 AM

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Posted by: Maxtor

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/30/12 05:13 AM

I don't get it. Spend about the same money to make it (I guess??), then sell it for a few grand less than the AG N's. And last I heard, the AG's are selling very well.
If they have an upright action, then why don't they also have a set of sounds from an upright too? (in addition to the CFX sounds).

When will Yamaha realize that they should install a tablet computer into the piano, with the functionality to at least display sheet music or play an accompaniment? Doesn't Yamaha already have a system that interacts with iPads?

And most importantly, where is the cupholder?
Posted by: Jake Jackson

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/30/12 09:44 AM

What surprises me is the absence of control over the multi-sample. When I first started reading this thread, I thought that Yamaha was releasing their response to Roland's V-Piano. The I realized that, no, there is no modelling. Then I saw the list of features. Very limited. On the other hand, it may sound good. I must admit that I've played some Yamaha digital pianos from 10 years ago that were convincing, or at least let me suspend my disbelief and feel as though I was playing in instrument and not triggering samples from another piano.

Still, the 6K price is the same as that of the V-Piano, and I haven't seen any information about the size of the multisample or the number of layers in the NU. Will the sampled piano sound better?
Posted by: gvfarns

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/30/12 09:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Maxtor
And last I heard, the AG's are selling very well.


This is certainly not the impression I have. Did you actually hear someone say they are not selling well? They are a high end, low volume item that came out during a recession. That's not a formula for big numbers. But I think they far outsell, for example, silent acoustics, which are their closest competitor.

I agree with you that it seems like the manufacturing costs wouldn't be so different, so it's surprising they are selling it for cheaper. The thing is, a different--poorer--group of people will buy this than the grand action version, so it's a way of doing price discrimination (I guess they didn't want to have a coupon day).
Posted by: gvfarns

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/30/12 10:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Jake Jackson
What surprises me is the absence of control over the multi-sample. When I first started reading this thread, I thought that Yamaha was releasing their response to Roland's V-Piano. The I realized that, no, there is no modelling. Then I saw the list of features. Very limited. On the other hand, it may sound good. I must admit that I've played some Yamaha digital pianos from 10 years ago that were convincing, or at least let me suspend my disbelief and feel as though I was playing in instrument and not triggering samples from another piano.

Still, the 6K price is the same as that of the V-Piano, and I haven't seen any information about the size of the multisample or the number of layers in the NU. Will the sampled piano sound better?


The AvantGrand line is decidedly not the same direction as the V-piano (which I think has underperformed...at least the grand version has). All the AG models feature only a few voices, which are not very tweakable. It's for the fairly sizeable group of people that want something as close as possible to an acoustic while not being an acoustic and don't care about the other digital features. The V-Piano is geared toward professionals who want to have a lot of flexibility and power, but aren't exactly trying to make it look like an acoustic in their house--something like the Yamaha CP1. When you say you were surprised by the lack of control were you referring to the entire AG line or just this piano? I don't think anyone else was expecting the latest AvantGrand to have more voices or more power over the voices than its higher-end predecessors did.

Of course, are varying opinions, but I would say that the AvantGrand's samples are more realistic and natural sounding than the V-Piano's modeling, though you are quite right that they are not nearly as flexible or varied. The previous AvantGrands had fairly long and high quality samples, as these things go. The NU1 actually has a new sample set, taken from the new CFX acoustic. I would be surprised if it was not excellent--for an onboard piano sound.
Posted by: Dr Popper

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/30/12 10:21 AM

Originally Posted By: gvfarns


The AvantGrand line is decidedly not the same direction as the V-piano (which I think has underperformed...at least the grand version has).


You might be shocked if you knew just what a understatement that is considering Yamaha has sold over 1000 AG's. I mean we are talking very very few V-Grands sold worldwide so I'm led to believe.
Posted by: bennevis

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/30/12 10:59 AM

Roland has an image problem with classical musicians (try putting a Roland thread in the Piano/Pianist forum and see the response...) who - if they've heard about Roland at all - only know about it from rock and pop concerts, posters etc. Yamaha on the other hand, is known by anyone who likes music of any sort (which just about covers all the world's population). And therefore classical pianists will be quite happy to use the AG as a substitute for the real thing, and believe it's the top dog - without even dreaming of trying the Roland V-Piano Grand (if they'd even heard of it). For non-classical pianists, Yamaha is still the top brand, and the lack of any non-piano sounds in the V-Piano/Grand is a serious deterrent compared to the AG series.

I had a hard time getting any of my classical friends to even sit down at my V-Piano, let alone try it out (just as I had myself when I went around looking for a DP to buy 2 years ago), but they were convinced once they started playing. It's just the name, the looks, the lack of any acoustic history, the image problem, the......
Posted by: PianoZac

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 01/30/12 12:42 PM

I do believe the AvantGrands also have the benefit and mass appeal of a real acoustic grand piano action. This, more than any other reason is why people spend money on the AvantGrands, and why they're so appealing.
Posted by: mrcultureshock

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 04/02/12 10:43 PM

Is the Yamaha NU1 available now in the US? Has anyone played it? How does it compare to the N1?

Warm regards,

Nicolas
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano - 12/09/12 09:53 PM

Hello folks,

My apologies for bumping this old thread, but am I correct in assuming that the NU1 Concert Grand piano sound is not stretched (i.e. all 88 keys are sampled)?

According to dewster's DPBSD test, the AvantGrand N3 exhibited 'no visible or audible stretching', so is it fair to assume that the same is true for the CFX samples in the NU1?

Cheers,
James
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