KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350

Posted by: motifmm6

KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 03/02/12 08:38 AM

Korg DPs are known to provide good value and decent quality. The SP250 and LP350 models have been around for quite many years without being upgraded. But they are still popular DPs and recommended by many people.

One key reason is the price tags they come with. Korg DPs are priced at entry level pricings. Sound quality is decent, despite having only 2 samples per note. RH3 action is also authentic.

The sound quality cannot match those at the top-end (like CP series, Roland or Kawai), but it comes quite close. For the huge discount in price, many are tempted to purchase Korg DPs instead of the others.

Any comments from users? Are Korg DPs durable? Do the keys start to "click" after a few years of playing?
Posted by: Possum SP280Krome

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 03/02/12 07:46 PM

I don't have the 3 items mentioned although I have played them a lot.

I did have a Korg SG Rack for many years as well as a Triton Le and found them well made. I will defintely buy a Korg product in the future.

I am heavily leaning toward a SP170S for later in the year to take out to open mics etc.. I found the speakers to be a big improvement than the SP170. I liked the #1 piano sample.

Some of the sounds on the LP350/SP250 remind me of the Sg RACk.

There are complaints about the keybed in the Kronos 88; I have not heard of as many for the 3 pianos you mentioned.
Is there one model you are leaning toward? I could ask people I know that might have them as well.

My favorite thing of theirs would be the steinway sample itself.
Posted by: Hubert

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 03/05/12 11:40 PM

I own a LG350, may be I can sum up some pros and cons:

Pro:
-best key weight around its price range, I think PHAII is better but the price is doubled, Yamaha entry level DPs action is far too light for my taste
-Slim design
-midi output for me to use Ivory II with it

Con:
-The unit itself is made out of very cheap materials (and I DO mean VERY cheap), I rather they use plastic...
-the sound system is poor, some hiss comes out of the speakers, even Casio DPs are better in this area. High notes die off very quick

I think SP170S is a better option as it provides a better sound system and it's cheaper as well.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 03/05/12 11:59 PM

Hubert, did you consider the Kawai CL36?

James
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Posted by: Hubert

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 03/06/12 01:42 AM

Only Korg, Roland, Yamaha and Casio DPs are available in my area, so I only tried those before I bought my Korg.

thanks james I should have mentioned that in my previous reply, Kawai never pops out of my mind as I never seen one around.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 03/06/12 02:12 AM

No problem Hubert.

Am I correct in thinking that you are based in the US?
If so, it's perhaps a moot point as the CL36 is not available in North America.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted by: Hubert

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 03/06/12 02:27 AM

I live in an Asian country and would very much like to try a Kawai... they received lots of good comments here.

btw james do you know why they are not for sell for some countries??
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 03/06/12 02:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Hubert
btw james do you know why they are not for sell for some countries??


I believe Kawai instruments can be purchased in most Asian countries, as listed on the Kawai Japan website:

http://www.kawai.co.jp/worldwide/world/index2.html

Kind regards,
James
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Posted by: Hubert

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 03/06/12 02:37 AM

Acoustic upright / grand pianos are available in my area (Hong Kong) but not for DPs....
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 03/06/12 02:42 AM

Ah, I see.

Kawai instruments are distributed in Hong Kong by Parsons Music, however I believe this distributor has only started marketing Kawai digital pianos very recently.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted by: rnaple

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 03/07/12 05:56 AM

I found more rigid mounting of the keyboard in the 350 to result in slightly better action than the 250. I repeat...this is only because of more solid mounting of the action.
After you get the stand for the 170. It's close to the cost of the 250.
The 170's action is not bad. It is not as good as the 250. I really like the 250's action in comparison to any of the entry level DP's out there in the price range.
Also not a comparison to any of the low level Kawai's. Haven't been able to try any.
I very much like the look and cover of the 350. I know...it's a 250 in a different cabinet, speakers.
Posted by: Possum SP280Krome

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 03/07/12 07:17 PM

Originally Posted By: rnaple
I found more rigid mounting of the keyboard in the 350 to result in slightly better action than the 250. I repeat...this is only because of more solid mounting of the action.
After you get the stand for the 170. It's close to the cost of the 250.
The 170's action is not bad. It is not as good as the 250. I really like the 250's action in comparison to any of the entry level DP's out there in the price range.
Also not a comparison to any of the low level Kawai's. Haven't been able to try any.
I very much like the look and cover of the 350. I know...it's a 250 in a different cabinet, speakers.


- Sam Ash is currently offering $100 off $599 which in essence would cover the stand.
Would you still recommend the 250?

I find that I like the multiple variations of the SP250's piano as it emulates my old Sg Rack by Korg in that regard, but even though the SP170S has only one Steinway sound (don't know what the second piano is) I really enjoy listening to it
Posted by: rnaple

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 03/07/12 10:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Possum P95
- Sam Ash is currently offering $100 off $599 which in essence would cover the stand.
Would you still recommend the 250?

I find that I like the multiple variations of the SP250's piano as it emulates my old Sg Rack by Korg in that regard, but even though the SP170S has only one Steinway sound (don't know what the second piano is) I really enjoy listening to it


The 250 includes the stand...always. The 170 doesn't.

I gotta admit. I liked the sound on the 170. Maybe a little better than the 250. But...at this price...an entry level DP. I really wouldn't worry alot about sound. If you're really obsessed with sound like I am. Do what I did. Also I consider the sound on the 250 as not bad at all...just my opinion...

I would still suggest the 250. Even though I know a person purchasing this...if they continue and progress in piano...they will upgrade in the future.

I would like to add. I once thought maybe that keyboard had more to it than it did. Kinda like letoff and such. What it has is weight and a little friction. This results in helping it have more realistic feeling action than others in this price range.

Bottom line is: The SP250 is a whole lot of piano for the price.
Posted by: JcKeys

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 08/18/12 10:31 AM

Please read my post abt RH3 Keybed here
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...tml#Post1944875


I Recently got the Sp-170S. I returned it, bocz the keys were making clicking sounds. Very Annoying while playing forte phrases. Then i got the Sp-250. The RH3 action feels firm to play on. The sounds are also great, with a good metronome sound for practice.

But the SP-250 has some serious issues playing softer (p & pp) phrases. Btw some lower velocity range, it triggers a muted, staccato like piano sample & believe me for a pianist it is very ANNOYING. It's like you play a legato phrase & if you aren't hitting the keys hard enough, you are likely to hear some short length notes (like; theres is no decay or release on those notes).

I would really request to people who are buying the KORG SP-250 to play it for a while with Headphones & play @ different dynamics. I checked this with LP-350 too, and it too has that issue.
Posted by: origen

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 08/19/12 11:46 PM

The sp250 has been discontinued, before the big tsunami in Japan last year it was highly speculated that its predecessor was close to release, however that has changed with what happened, quite a few people were hoping they were going to put the kronos piano into an sp250-like shell and sell it for around the same price. Who knows though, im not an insider but that was the word around town.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 08/19/12 11:57 PM

Which town?
Posted by: origen

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 08/20/12 08:12 AM

Haha! the town of korg forums! So far its just hearsay and speculation but with the 250 not being produced anymore people seem to hope and think the sgx1 engine will end up in a dp. Which would make for a lovely sounding dp under 800 if that is the case.
Posted by: origen

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 09/27/12 10:01 AM

Well, there it is....the Krome, i really wish they had upgraded the keybed on it, but it still seems like a decent dp.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 09/27/12 10:51 AM

Originally Posted By: origen
Well, there it is....the Krome, i really wish they had upgraded the keybed on it, but it still seems like a decent dp.

Maybe. But really, the Krome is more of an M50 on steroids rather than a replacement for the SP-250 or even the SV-1. It remains to be seen whether Korg thinks the DP market is lucrative enough for them to have another go with a competitive stage or home piano. It would make sense to filter down the Kronos pianos beyond workstation territory, but that's not a guarantee it will happen. I actually have no interest in the workstation functionality, but it seems like these do-everything units are very easy to resell, if it turns out to be less useful than expected.

One of the main reasons I wanted to try out the Krome, was to see if the relatively large memory allocated to the pianos makes sufficient difference in practice to warrant choosing a possible SV-2 or SP-450 in future over a new Kawai or Yamaha.
Posted by: Possum SP280Krome

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 02/16/13 05:18 PM

Can I ask you a question about the stand of the piano- I was watching a youtube demo and it seems the piano was turned upside down to connect to the stand. Is this necssary? Could the piano just be put on a normal xstand?
I am awaiting the SP280 to try out.

Also, if you are using the stand it came with- about how many pounds does it weigh?
Posted by: JcKeys

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 02/16/13 05:32 PM

@Possum PX130

No, you need not turn the piano upside down.You have to place it correctly on the stand, to put the screws from down, thats it. And you can put it onto an X stand too. I donno how much it weighs. Maybe you can find that from Korg's site, from the manual.
I think Sp280 wud be a better option, but i donno about its action, as its NH something. If I were you, i would wait n chk the new Casio Privia PX5S, its got tons of features if you are into gigging & looks like a descent DP too.
Posted by: Possum SP280Krome

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 02/16/13 05:51 PM

Thanks for posting the video- its good to see as these models are now at closeout prices as low as $600.

I am defintely going to try the PX5S as well as the PX780; aside though from the issues you showed, the SP250 sounded very nice, the tone is pleasant to listen to

The SP280 seems to have what I would be looking for, but I would have to try the action- I felt though the Korg Krome NH was a little more solid than the SP170 NH
Posted by: PianoWorksATL

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 02/16/13 07:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Possum PX130
I felt though the Korg Krome NH was a little more solid than the SP170 NH
This was also my experience. It could be natural variance or the effect of the different assemblies. I thought the SP280 at NAMM felt like the Krome at NAMM.
Posted by: Possum SP280Krome

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 02/16/13 07:50 PM

Sam, how were the speakers? Do you recommend the product?
Posted by: bluebilly

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 02/16/13 07:54 PM

As far as I'm aware none of those Korg DP's have record and playback functions, I could be wrong...again....??
Posted by: PianoWorksATL

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 02/16/13 08:07 PM

Again, the open and crazy loud main floor at NAMM is not a place to make fine distinctions, but the speakers could be heard over the din, and I had a positive first impression of the speakers. I'd like some quiet time with it to really hear the new samples. Korg confirmed they were from a big American grand and updated from the SP250. I have a good feeling it will really appeal to gigging musicians. In my store, we cross over to a few gigging musicians, but our core digital buyers are looking for acoustic alternatives, starter pianos, and silent pianos.

Any chance you can try one out rather than ordering? They will be going to a lot of large chains and independent MI stores.
Posted by: Possum SP280Krome

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 02/16/13 08:28 PM

I have a 20% coupon that expires before they are shipped so might just take a gamble; I wonder if they mean a NYC Steinway D? There are only 2 other acoustic piano manufacturers in the US from what I read.
Posted by: PianoWorksATL

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 02/16/13 09:51 PM

There is a 3rd, Charles Walter in Indiana, but they don't make concert grands. wink I hope it works out to your liking.
Posted by: Possum SP280Krome

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 02/16/13 11:06 PM

Could be a Mason Hamlin!
Posted by: Thomas Williams

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 03/06/13 01:25 AM

I just purchased the SP250 not quite two weeks ago, after going to play and compare various models multiple times, as well as reading reviews and discussions here. I personally found the RH3 action to have a better feel than any other model or brand in a similar price range, and also generally preferred the sound of it over similarly priced DPs (very subjective, I know). The built-in speakers are also of noticeably higher quality than those on the equivalent Casio (and Yamaha) models. The store where I bought it had a closeout deal on their floor model, which they sold me. There was one catch: when setting up the floor model, it seems they had thrown out the stand that comes with it...but they threw in an X stand for free, which is much easier to carry and set up, besides being adjustable. (The only advantage to the integrated stand is the bar on which the pedal rests, but I have ways of making do without that feature.)

This piano isn't a high-end model, so it doesn't have the incredibly awesome sound and feel of the Roland V Piano, for instance, but it suits my needs very well for its price range. The only real drawback is that it has only the sustain pedal jack -- there is no option for the other pedals. Being a classical pianist, having no sostenuto pedal is somewhat of a disadvantage, but in the end I decided I could live with it, since any time I would be performing music that demands all three pedals I would probably be playing an acoustic grand anyway; it is still fine as a piano for my apartment, so I can now practice any time without always having to go back to school after hours to use the practice rooms. And for that purpose, the feel of the action was by far the most important consideration to me. I would have waited for the SP280 to come out, because it has all three pedals as an option, but upon realizing that its action would be of lesser quality (like the SP170, which I also tried, with some disappointment), I knew which tradeoff was worth making for me. For my purposes, the $599 that I paid for the SP250 was a very reasonable compromise between price, sound quality, and (my main concern) feel.
Posted by: Possum SP280Krome

Re: KORG DPs - SP250, SP170 and LP350 - 03/06/13 11:20 PM

My SP280 arrived; but I got home to late and tired from work to open it. I will post a review here.
I looked at the SP250 as well but thought I would trade off the RH3 for the newer model.

Previous Korg items I owned included the Sg Rack module and Triton LE- on a side note I purchased a Krome 61 last week for writing and future PC recording