roland hp507

Posted by: mwf

roland hp507 - 04/20/12 07:00 PM

when does this piano arrive in UK stores, since they stated it would be february originally, thats clearly not happened.

Is it significantly (mildly in reality no doubt) better than the hp307 its replacing does anyone know?

Many thanks
Posted by: spanishbuddha

Re: roland hp507 - 04/21/12 05:02 AM

I was in my local music store yesterday. They had a HP503 and 505 on display. I enquired about the 507 and they said they could get one within 10 days.
Posted by: CarloPiano

Re: roland hp507 - 04/21/12 09:28 AM

Originally Posted By: mwf
Is it significantly (mildly in reality no doubt) better than the hp307 its replacing does anyone know


It has some interesting new features but, in my opinion, none significant or indispensable (although they are nice). For instance:

- Progressive Damper pedal, simulating the grand pedal effect which makes it harder as you press deeper (this already existed for LX-10 and the grand like models RG-1 and 3).
- New historical pianofortes samples
- Ability to record directly to audio.

AFAIK, the rest of features are identical to 307 (same PHA III Ivory feel with scapement keyboard, Piano Designer, same SuperNatural sound, etc).

I already tried the 503 (505 and 507 didn't arrive yet the day I took a walk into the store I usually buy things) and I really liked the pianofortes but otherwise I couldn't find a huge difference with its predecessor, the HP-302.
Posted by: daz100

Re: roland hp507 - 04/21/12 02:57 PM

I tried the 507 in pmt Birmingham last week. It's got a much improved speaker system over the 307 is the first thing you will notice . At the moment I have the 207 which is the home piano before the 307. The bass on the 507 is really to much for the mid range,maybe a bit of tweaking will sort that out though .
I tried the rd 700nx through a pair of Roland's ds7 monitors which to me was better sounding than the home pianos. So I bit the bullet and part exchanged my Hp207 for a 700nx.
Posted by: mwf

Re: roland hp507 - 04/21/12 03:02 PM

ok thats great, how does the tone/sound of the piano differ in the newer 507 to the 207/307? the 307 had a booming bass too so the 507 is probably just the same.

What I dont understand is the drop in price to the 307, in UK its £2399 for the 507 and £2500+ for the 307, to me that means the 507 is not as good in some way, I wonder also if the piano comes with a bench, as the 307 never did.
Posted by: daz100

Re: roland hp507 - 04/21/12 03:48 PM

The boomy sound you experience is the difference that I found between the flagship Roland home pianos and the rd700nx ,which is the reason I am choosing the Rd over the Hp . I would advise you to try the tone of the 700nx and the hp507 using headphones .To me the tone is much better in the 700nx.

I also tried the Yamaha clavinovas which I thought sounded not as good as Roland's tones. The clp 400 series which I was testing only sounded nice with more reverb turned up .The dry sound was not a patch on Rolands dry sound.
Posted by: mwf

Re: roland hp507 - 04/21/12 04:32 PM

interesting, but if I bought the 700nx, is there a new model due out soon, since that has been out a few years now.

Also I agree with you, it does seem to sound better than the 507 or other HP pianos in general. But I always have this concern about speakers and what will make the piano sound best, what types of speakers do I need and which make/model, and I wouldnt want to spend too much on the speakers as I realise there are nmo built in speakers, but speakers are what make the piano...

Many thanks

Mark
Posted by: ChrisR723

Re: roland hp507 - 04/23/12 04:42 PM

I've recently tried and purchased a Hp-507 at a dealer here in the Boston area last week. I currently have a Yamaha Clavinova Clp-130, which is about 8 years old. The 507 was defined a bit more "boomy" as someone mentioned above. If we assume middle C as C4, then it had the heaviest bass (or boomy) sound response from C2 to C3. That sound discouraged me at first, since the Clavinova has a much lighter low end and I've been playing that for years, but then I turned around and played the $60,000 Steinway grand behind me, and it's equally as "boomy" in all the same places. A grand piano is a powerful instrument, field with nuance and character. To my ears (and that's always the key, right?) Roland did an excellent job of capturing that experience.

I played for about an hour, and the longer I played the less noticeable the stronger low end was. More likely, I just got used to it. I left for lunch and then came back an hour later to play some more and I didn't notice the heavier bass sound as much. Like I said, I had gotten used to it.

Also, I played both a 307 and a 507 and (again to my ears) the sound is fuller on the 507, however the "acoustic projection" system is definitely intended to be heard from the players point of view. Standing up in front of either, I liked the 307 sound a bit better, but seated, it was no contest.

One final note, to add to the new or different features CarloPiano listed, the 507 also adds "Sound Board Behavior" to the list of Piano Designer features. Additionally, the touch settings are now a fully adjustable scale from 1-100, as opposed to the 307's "Super light, light, medium, heavy, super heavy. " This was a very welcome addition for me, as I found my preference somewhere in between light and super light.

In regards to the lower pricing, I'd offer up a few possible thoughts:
--- 1) as mentioned earlier, a lot of the technology is still the same from the 3xx line. So it's possible manufacturing efficiency has led to the lower price: 2 years ago the 307 needed 3 circuit boards for the sample software, now it's only 1, and so on.
--- 2)The PHA-III Keyboards were brand new to the 307, so R&D costs could have been factored in.
--- 3) The LCD screen is smaller on the 507, than the 307. But they have updated the menus to fit well on the slightly smaller screen.

I'd say the only thing I would have liked to have seen would be onboard EQ -- like Roland has in their stage pianos. There is some messing around to be done with the Piano Designer feature, but no direct EQ (low,mid,high, or frequency adjustment). But the salesman mentioned that one possibility might be they didn't want you mucking with their "Acoustic projection system." I also supposed they need to leave something to add to the next model's list of "new features."

Oh...it was sold with a bench. And a very nice padded one; classic flip open for storage and all! One last note, the piano actually back-ordered. Apparently, Roland hasn't manufactured enough, just yet. They're expecting it in a couple or 3 weeks.

Cheers,
Chris
Posted by: mwf

Re: roland hp507 - 04/24/12 05:19 PM

wow, fantastic response to my concerns Chris, much appreciated beleive me, I think you covered everything I needed to know smile

Just one other thing, did you notice the same natural reverb/resononace the 307 has on the 507? I used to own the 307 and you wouldnt need to adjust the reverb or settings to a higher level as the dry sound was fantastic and really alive so to speak on the 307, hopefully the 507 is the same, but like you say better from the players perspective, but this is something Yamaha got spot on with their tri-amp speaker set-up I must admit.

thanks Chris

Mark
Posted by: EssBrace

Re: roland hp507 - 04/24/12 05:21 PM

Mark, you'd gone very cool on the HP-307, hence you got rid of it. Other than a few details the 507 is essentially the same thing so proceed with caution!
Posted by: mwf

Re: roland hp507 - 04/24/12 05:25 PM

yeah but I think I made a mistake, thanks for your advice though, the issue I am having with my current yamaha cllp470 is the speaker system is poor and I dont get on with it at all, it took me a while to realise how poor the speakers are, they cant cope with louder sounds at all and distort under pressure and not even at full volume, its really annoying, at least with the roland the speaker set up is very good and sound wise better than the yamaha in speaker quality...which is almost everything that makes the piano sound good.
Posted by: EssBrace

Re: roland hp507 - 04/24/12 05:39 PM

Maybe you should have kept the CLP-380!
Posted by: mwf

Re: roland hp507 - 04/24/12 05:39 PM

tell me about it wink
Posted by: EssBrace

Re: roland hp507 - 04/24/12 05:43 PM

I feel your pain, I really do. It's a mistake I keep making too.
Posted by: mwf

Re: roland hp507 - 04/24/12 05:51 PM

yeah and its like... I cant afford the 480!
Posted by: EssBrace

Re: roland hp507 - 04/24/12 05:56 PM

Yes, the top CLP is always serious money - but that sound system is one of the very few on any DP that really is good. The price jump from 470 to 480 is massive unfortunately.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: roland hp507 - 04/24/12 05:58 PM

How about swapping the CLP-470 for a second-hand CLP-380?

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: EssBrace

Re: roland hp507 - 04/24/12 06:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
How about swapping the CLP-470 for a second-hand CLP-380?

Cheers,
James
x


There's an idea!
Posted by: mwf

Re: roland hp507 - 04/24/12 06:01 PM

maybe, I was also thinking about the 700nx Roland do which sounds even better than the hp507 but obviously god knows how to make it sound good and what speakers to use with it.
Posted by: EssBrace

Re: roland hp507 - 04/24/12 06:07 PM

Yes, the RD is a very good thing, but as you say it could involve some lengthy and possibly expensive experimentation with some near-field monitors or some other speaker solution. Could be very rewarding but if you were going to go down that road, there's loads of other stuff you might consider - Yamaha, Kawai, Nord and Roland stage pianos.

I wonder if there's any dealers out there with a CLP-380 left in stock that they would sell at a much reduced price - might be worth ringing around. Kawai CA-93 has a punchy sound system and is significantly cheaper than the Yamaha CLP-480 and has arguably a better action so that could be another possibility.

Good luck anyway!

Steve
Posted by: mwf

Re: roland hp507 - 04/24/12 06:15 PM

the kawai is £2600 and over which means its probably better than the roland hp507 then, Kawai I have never tried before and I dont know dealers in UK that stock them near me, the hp507 is still my main choice, and it sounds good the way the speakers/acoustic projection is aimed at the player and not people from a distance, the 307 really sounded far better from a distance than sat at it, the sound was blasted out all over the room and not at the player where it should be, like I said before, yamaha got this spot on with the tri-amp speaker system, I am hoping the new hp507 speaker system is as good.
Posted by: MacMacMac

Re: roland hp507 - 04/24/12 06:22 PM

Or, how about adding a sound system to the CLP470?
For a few hundred dollars you can have a sound system that will leave the CLP480 in the dust.
Originally Posted By: Kawai James
How about swapping the CLP-470 for a second-hand CLP-380?
Posted by: BrokenChord

Re: roland hp507 - 04/24/12 09:04 PM

So basically. I should just shoot for the now reduced price HP307 instead of the 507? Im going to JordanKitts next week to have a looksee..but im pretty sure the HP507 will cost my whole torso and I will just try to bargain down for the HP307
Posted by: ChrisR723

Re: roland hp507 - 04/24/12 10:30 PM


Mark,

I don't recall any major difference with the reverb settings. As far as I can tell, it is the same sample set, just a slighlty different presentation with the newer speakers and slightly different piano designer. But being a large open showroom, the room was also providing some real reverb, so it would have been hard to tell how "dry" it really could get.

Also, as was noted earlier, if you didn't like the 307 enough to keep it (you said you "used to have it", I'm not sure the 507 will be different enough to be worthwhile. As always, pianos are very personal and subjective choices!

BrokenChord,the 507 should be cheaper than the 307 was.


-Chris
Posted by: theJourney

Re: roland hp507 - 04/25/12 02:50 AM

Another difference between the HP-507 and the HP-307 is that the console is higher on the newer model placing the music desk in a position relative to the player that is at a more realistic grand piano height thereby better emulating a grand piano. Especially if you have corrected vision and move between a real grand and your practice digital, this is a great improvement. Also, the HP-507 can be set to shut itself off automatically after so many minutes of inactivity. If you have neatniks in the house that tend to close the top without checking if the lights are on and/or you tend to get interrupted from playing from time to time and don't want the piano to be hot and using electricity unnecessarily all day or all night for nothing, this is a good, green feature.

Regarding pricing, thomann.de is offering the HP-307 at a 500 euro discount to the price of the HP-307 last year while the HP-507 is being offered at a 100 euro premium to last year's HP-307 pricing. Locally the HP-507 is being sold at a 100 euro premium to the HP-307 which is still priced at last year's price, although discounting may be available to those who haggle.

Unfortunately the HP-507 does not appear to have gotten any closer to the V-Piano in terms of player response / articulation capability and the piano sound engine does not appear to have improved in terms of realism, tone coloring, available polyphony and modelling complexity, etc.

So, overall, a rather modest, ho hum set of old wine in new flasks, peripheral improvements rather than a dramatic step up in core piano playing technology. If you already have an HP-307 there is little reason to upgrade. If you are in the market for a high quality home digital piano, especially if you play a lot of early classical music that could benefit from fortepiano sounds, use speakers instead of headphones, switch back and forth between a grand piano and your digital wanting a similar damper pedal reaction and music desk height, are somewhat absent minded yet green-minded and miserly about unneeded, expensive electricity use, then the HP-507 is a superior choice above the HP-307.

If you are in a market that sells the HP-507 at a discount to the HP-307 rather than a premium, it is a no brainer.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: roland hp507 - 04/25/12 03:07 AM

Great reply. wink

Welcome back theJourney!

James
x
Posted by: daz100

Re: roland hp507 - 04/25/12 02:44 PM

Originally Posted By: mwf
maybe, I was also thinking about the 700nx Roland do which sounds even better than the hp507 but obviously god knows how to make it sound good and what speakers to use with it.


When I tried the rd700nx in the showroom it was setup with Roland Dsp7s,and immediately to me it was much better sounding than H507,it gave a much better projected sound with a nice bass and no boomy annoying sounds which you will get from the 507.
These speakers can be had for £250 each and I think they are well worth it
Posted by: BKr

Re: roland hp507 - 11/13/12 09:34 PM

I agree with the bold sound of a grand piano in the lower registers. That is what sets apart a grand piano from an upright. I am told that the HP 507 sounds were recorded using a Hamburg Steinway concert grand which in my opinion is the top sounding piano in the world. I have a 7 foot Mason & Hamlin Model BB and it too has very bold sounds in the bass region. However, this is required if you play classical music that has bass forte notes in it. For other types of music this may not be necessary. I also tune and voice my piano and in learning this process from the experts they constantly warn you "....do NOT weaken the bass region as this is the life of the grand piano........" So it appears that Roland did their homework as I've played other pianos which seemed lifeless in the bass region. In the next week I'm going to try a HP 507 as I need a second piano for when the wife is sleeping or doesn't want to hear my constant practicing.:):) From what I've heard on the Internet the HP 507 has a very natural, grand piano sound. But I have to play it personally before I make my final decision.

As for going the 700nx route I would be careful. Headphones are one thing (you don't play a grand piano using headphones) but selecting a amp/speaker system and then setting them up can be a long drawn out, expensive process before you arrive at a final solution (if you ever do). Speakers and how they are set up will sound different for different types of music and different speaker brands, enclosures, and sizes will give you even more variables to play with. Then you have the variations in power amplifiers to add to the puzzle. I have evaluated $12,000 speaker units that sounded horrible when playing classical piano music but sounded great reproducing jazz and vocals. Leave the engineering to the engineers I say and make your ultimate selection as to what pleases your ears the most. Only you can make that decision.