Order placed!! Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's

Posted by: 4g63mr

Order placed!! Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/07/12 12:40 PM

I just placed an order on a new Privia. I got the matching stand and triple pedal set I got a great deal on it. I paid 601 shipped for everything smile

Well I just wanted to thank everyone. I hope to be a valid and helpful member here in time and help others. You are all a great group.













Hey guys and gal's.

I'm new to piano and digital pianos. So I really don't have a lot of reference when playing w/ or touching pianos. I have been meaning to buy one for many years now as I want to take some lessons and learn to play. This being said my only times using of a digital or acoustic piano was 20 years ago playing on my grandmothers grand piano during the holidays. This was an acoustic piano and I used to have little basic keyboard as a key made completely of plastic they bought me for Christmas.

I know I want something that feels realistic because some day I will prob end up buying a nice acoustic piano. I think they look beautiful.

So just doing a few quick google searches I have been reading things like the yamaha p series and the casio Priva px series. To me they look and almost feel the same. I don't enough about them to tell which is the most realistic and for my purpose probably doesn't matter much..

Now to the question. This is going to be a piano for me to play around with, not going to be gigging or lugging it around but learning on it. What is important is something that will help me transistion to a good acoustic in the future, feel wise and sound wise (subjective I know). I do not want to spend tons of money on this project because it could turn out the piano isn't for me and may end up being something I let the kid learn on in the future w/ lessons.

So im looking at the p35 (seems great at around 450 bucks), sounds good, I know the poly count being 35ish is alot less then its bigger brother but is this something a greenhorn like me will ever even notice or use? I only care about the sound of the grand piano, I also want to note I have a very nice set of studio krk monitors I can hook up to this.
I don't know what other digital piano brands compare. For example I know, or think I know the p105 would be like the privia px 150. What would be casio's version be to the p35?
From what I mentioned my needs are is there a real reason to spend the extra 150 on a higher end digital piano?

I guess all in all im looking for best bang for buck, feel and sound around 500 range give or take.

Sound wise I like deep lower tones more then the higher tones. So for say a tune like moonlight sonata where it feels deeper then say the entertainer.. But like I said im a complete green horn here :p So who knows if I know what im talking about. I hope this gives an idea of what im looking for.. Good powerful sounds.
What I liked about the p35 I found in this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AykGH6PpO84 fast forward to 5:40 mins. I loved the sound of it with my head phones on.. But it could jsut be the song.. I just don't know enough about the instruments.


Thanks in advance guys and gal's.
Posted by: CarloPiano

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/07/12 12:50 PM

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I know I want something that feels realistic because some day I will prob end up buying a nice acoustic piano


If you want the closest thing to a real piano, don't choose among the cheapest. P-35 is a very crippled piano. It has the minimum Yamaha quality and I'm sure it has its marketplace but I wouldn't buy it unless I really couldn't afford more.

I would choose something like a 4xx series from Yamaha (not my favourites but they worth a try, they still have many fans and very high quality), a Kawai CN or CA series or a Roland 500 series. My favourite is Roland but that's a complete matter of taste, try and decide which one is your favourite, not someone else's smile

The Casio PX-150 looks great for the price but have in account that:

- It lacks complex resonance algorithms that emulate the real behaviour of an acoustic piano
- It has a weak amp
Posted by: MacMacMac

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/07/12 12:53 PM

I think Carlo is right. If you buy cheap, you get cheap.
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/07/12 01:00 PM

Hey guys thanks for the quick reply. I do want to point out to me, in a store I have looked at they fell alot alike to me. I dont notice alot of the differences.
This is a starter piano for me. My only issue w/ spending alot of money up front is my fear of not liking the piano for more then anything other then a hobby.

I def agree with you get what you pay for. Here is my big question. Money really isn't my biggest issue, its more bang for buck. I can buy a ferrari to goto work each day or I can buy a camery for example. They both get the job, they both seem nice but the ferrari is overkill for the purpose needed.
So take myself as an example I play chopsticks and feel like im doing something well. Thats about the best I can play right now. With that being said me blasting away on chopstick on a 450 to 500 dollar dp vs a 2000 dp, is it going to be night and day difference? That's really what im getting at.

In my future I want to buy a real acoustic piano for my new home. For the looks and the sound of it.

My digital piano is something I can more or less "bang around on" But do want to transition to an acoustic some day. I will def look in to the models suggest. I have never even heard of kawai CN until just now so im def learning.

Thanks again smile
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/07/12 01:47 PM

Originally Posted By: 4g63mr
So im looking at the p35 (seems great at around 450 bucks), sounds good, I know the poly count being 35ish is alot less then its bigger brother but is this something a greenhorn like me will ever even notice or use?

No, I wouldn't worry about that.

Originally Posted By: 4g63mr
I don't know what other digital piano brands compare. For example I know, or think I know the p105 would be like the privia px 150. What would be casio's version be to the p35?

If you're talking about price comparisons, the Casio below the PX150 is the CDP-120.
Posted by: CarloPiano

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/07/12 01:48 PM

Originally Posted By: 4g63mr
My only issue w/ spending alot of money up front is my fear of not liking the piano for more then anything other then a hobby.[...]
With that being said me blasting away on chopstick on a 450 to 500 dollar dp vs a 2000 dp, is it going to be night and day difference? That's really what im getting at.


That's, in my humble opinion, one of the most common mistakes committed while beginning piano (the other big one is beginning without a teacher of with a bad one...). That is, for the fear of quitting in the future, buying a cheap non responsive, non motivating piano, paradoxically there are millions of people in the world who quit and there's no hobby anymore, maybe prematurely, and we can only ask ourselves what percentage of crappy pianos are responsible of this. I think a good piano is very motivational. A bad one (no mater it is acoustic or digital) can be demoralizing. So my advice to my pupils (or their parents....) is not to buy the cheapest one. Unfortunately some of them doesn't follow my advice and the pupils feel frustrated when practice with their instrument at home.

The fact you play today chopsticks doesn't mean in the future you will not improve and play a wider repertoire but a bad piano could stop your advances or demotivate you.

I'm not saying buying a P-105 or a Px-150 is a bad buy. I bought a Px-135 but it's not my main practice instrument at all. Yes, it's a expensive profession and an expensive hobby... but it's a sublime one. I think it's worth every cent invested on it smile
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/07/12 02:08 PM

CarloPiano
Thank you again for the reply. You hit on what I started to reflect and think about as I typed my first reply. I may be playing chopsticks now but a year from now playing much more complex piece.

Im still in a research stage. I hope to get my hands on a some more digital pianos in my area.. I live in Orlando fl so we have alot of stores to explore.

I just want to go into some of these stores w/ a little more knowledge. I have a bad habbit of letting my self get sold on something I don't need alot of the time. That is something I was a bit worried about. Like I said before I played with a few at the local guitar center and they all "felt" alot alike. It was very loud in the store so I couldnt get feel for the sound of the pianos.
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/07/12 02:19 PM

Originally Posted By: 4g63mr
I don't know what other digital piano brands compare. For example I know, or think I know the p105 would be like the privia px 150. What would be casio's version be to the p35?

If you're talking about price comparisons, the Casio below the PX150 is the CDP-120.
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I guess I mean price and style. It maybe an unfair comparison. I look at it again, almost like cars. One might compare a camery and honda accord, same class and price range. (lol im not even a car guy just first thing that popped into my mind).
I know so little about digital pianos i am prob asking the wrong questions.

Im mostly a drummer and trumpet player in the past, I always played drums and or trumpet. Drums = hobby and trumpet was something I took lessons on and played in concert settings growing up. Piano is something I have always loved, just never had lessons.

I mentioned before when I was younger I had an cheap keyboard. Prob sounds terrible to todays technology but I loved machine and played it until the keys fell off. I just never got to develop on it due to drums and trumpet.

When I was young I was a handy me down kind of guy. My first drums were just short of a cans with drum heads, old old old pearl set. Sound decent at best but I played the heck out of them. Then over the years bought better sets. Then got into digital drums and both a cheap set and a very nice hart dynamics set. I play my cheap set the most, just easier for me to get to, set up etc. For practice it does the trick.
I dont know if this transitions well with pianos or not.

I don't know if im rambling or not.. Im just thinking more outloud here.
Posted by: Acca

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/07/12 02:31 PM

Let me give you my experience.

I actually had piano lessons for a few years when I was very young (early teens), and then stopped because I was lazy. However I never lost my love for music (all kinds). 20 years passed and one day 3 years go, I got motivated to take up piano again. I bought a Casio Privia PX-110. I tinkered around with it, but then it just sat by hardly used. Another year passed before I got inspired by youtube performances of some pianists and some youtube lessons. I got really motivated to learn properly and dedicate some time regularly to play a piece I really wanted to learn. I got a lot better and more encouraged as I persisted. Today, I can play pieces that I could never have dreamed even 2 years ago.

However the downside is, I am bitten by the bug, and contemplating spending 10x the money I spent on the Casio for a real or hybrid piano!

So, I guess my advice is a little bit different.
- You don't need a great piano to be inspired, it can come from other sources.

- It is possible to get a pretty acceptable piano for a low price these days

- I would pay for the key action, not for sounds or gizmos, especially because it is possible to hook up any piano capable of MIDI out to a laptop that will run software piano sounds that will blow away ANY digital piano on the market, even the very high end ones. (In fact this is what I'm doing now)

- If it's classical music that you like, I would also suggest you pay attention to the type of pedals that will come with the piano. It will be best to have a 3 pedal system with preferably a multi-level sustain pedal, not a switch type. However you may not get this on cheaper models. (But it's not crucial, the keyboard action is more important)

- You can always upgrade later if you get bitten by the bug. However, like anything in life, you only get back what you put in, and it will take a lot of regular effort and motivation to be good at it.

- Your wallet may regret being bitten by the bug wink

my $0.02
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/07/12 02:49 PM

Acca, thank you so much. I think you and I see kind of eye to eye on this. I know my self, I love music. Im not the best at it but I love it. I love to play what I can and I do want to develop and learn more.

You said something I mention to people I help teach drumming to. Alot of apartment dwellers they cant have acoustic sets and college age kids, so they cant afford a 5k drum set. I always advise getting something that "feels" real. You can get a better module later or midi it to a computer and have LOADS of sounds. Its a trigger and feel that are important.

Now with that said Carlo made alot of sense, in saving me money in the long run. Also in the sense alot of people buy cheap, play cheap and never get that zest of a real machine.

Im debating my bottom line price. I am still thinking alot on it. Like I said research stage at this point.
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/07/12 03:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Acca
If it's classical music that you like, I would also suggest you pay attention to the type of pedals that will come with the piano. It will be best to have a 3 pedal system with preferably a multi-level sustain pedal

For someone at chopsticks level, I don't think the additional pedals are important enough to be a factor in the decision.
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/07/12 04:57 PM

Update. I just got back home from my local guitar center. I got a chance to feel and play on the PX 150, 350, and yamaha p35 and 105.

To me these all felt the same more or less. I mean I could feel the texture difference in the keys but the action on them felt alot alike. I think I liked the privias action just a hair better but not much, I didn't care for the textured feel. In the end however they all kinda over all felt the same and sounded alot alike to me.

I see more of what carlo was saying, they didn't have that confidence building feel to them. Reminded me of an expensive toy.

I plan to goto a piano store tomorrow and feel some real acoustic pianos and a retailer that sells the Roland digital pianos so I can feel and hear the difference.

After playing the yamahas and casio's in guitar center I felt they were "okay". I have a feeling if I get a cheaper DP I will end up wishing I spent more on the investment.

Thats my updated thoughts. Going to go play some more tomorrow I hope smile
Posted by: Acca

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/07/12 06:01 PM

Well don't be afraid to try out even the "most expensive" models. Each manufacturer only has a couple of types of keyboard actions that they reuse for many many models, differentiated only by the electronics feature set, cabinetry, speakers, etc. If you find one that you like, you can then do research on the type of keyboard it is, and see if they sell it in a cheaper model (which can be in a totally different "line").

My other thought is to definitely try out an acoustic, because that's the real benchmark. Don't pay attention to the sound, pay attention to the effort and feedback (across the whole travel), how it feels when it hits the bottom, and how it feels when playing lightly, firmly, slowly and quickly.

But if you are looking for a keyboard to "blow you away", you will be disappointed. To be honest, if you are just starting to learn the piano, the initial stages (which can take years!) just involve trying to get fingerings, arm motions, accuracy, coordination, hand positioning, finger strength and techniques like this right. Nuances will only come later.

That's why I wouldn't feel pressured to spend too much on an initial instrument. Once you have developed a better feel, you can always sell this one or relegate it to a midi controller for composition/recording and buy something with that better understanding of what you want. (And you will not lose as much money, as these things will not hold value at all!)

I have been downplaying the sounds a lot, but that's not because I don't think it's important, in fact I think it's more important than the keyboard feel! But the problem is, none of the digital piano sounds, not even the $10000 ones, hold a candle to software sounds especially if you are talking about piano sounds. This is because manufacturers are reluctant to change from decades old electronics.

But luckily there is a cheap solution to this, which is to plug the MIDI signals into a computer. When I did this, combined with the right software/sounds, my keyboard suddenly felt SO much better, even though the mechanical action has not changed at all.




Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/07/12 07:42 PM

Thanks again for the reply Acca.

Yea I agree w/ what your saying. Really until I go in and start to play with some of the other pianos to get a feel its all just subjective to me atm. Honestly anything is better then what I have atm, an ipad :p

The onboard speakers mean little to nothing to me as I will have headphones or using my monitors for the sound. I just need a good feel so I can practice and see where the hobby takes me.

I spent the afternoon listening to HP 500 series roland sounds and videos. I gotta say I saw one video of an hp 307 that blew my mind. Though I think it should the cost sure is up there.

Its just at the moment I cant justify the cost of the HP 500 series. That is something WAY out of my price range I am comfortable spending. I would say 1000 max atm. The issue im having is the 8 and $900 digital pianos, I couldnt tell the difference in the 4 and $500 digital pianos. When I played "well" poked at them in the music store. I didn't really feel comfortable playing around with the really pricey units so I just kind of felt the keys a bit.

In the future I am 100% sure I will notice the difference and it maybe something I invest in.

Right now I just cant seem to stomach several thousand dollars for a first time buy. Plus the fact im a bit sticker shocked at the prices. I don't want to finance anything on this or use credit card, I like to buy in cash unless I have to i.e. buying a home or car. That being said unless im saving pennies I don't want to drop the money on the roland hp 500 series atm.


BTW sorry about the grammer or spelling mistakes, I have been typing these replies on an ipad and tend to not proof read.
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/07/12 09:57 PM

What do you guys think of the Kawai EP3. Lots of good reviews. Most reviews say it has a great feel and the sound is very good.

I am not sure if I have a kawai dealership anywhere close to me so I will prob be relying on reviews from the net.

Looks very nice and in the range I want to put as my top dollar.

Anways I am still researching like crazy.
Posted by: Sand Tiger

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/07/12 11:36 PM

I'll give the unspoken side. Plenty of people do spend too much. I know of three people personally that bought instruments in the past year or two. One bought a very nice acoustic piano for the wife, it hasn't been touched. Another bought about $6000 worth of computer related gear for his guitars. When I asked him about, same thing, hasn't had time to touch it. For him, the shopping and buying was the fun part, not the application. A third also bought for the wife, hasn't been touched.

Keep in mind that this an enthusiast forum. The average beginner quits after 2 years. Those that quit don't post, don't visit. That 2 years factors in mostly kids. I have seen more than a few adults in my short time on the forum that are enthusiastic about buying a new instrument, often for an amount of money that is a strain for their personal budget. Then a few updates from them, then sometimes posts about injuries or discouragement, then sometimes nothing. I wonder if they quit?

Yes, for sure some do. Hard to say if any particular person will be in that group. No one that starts up, thinks they are going to quit. How much time is budgeted? How about lessons?

I am all for spending on musical instruments if that is what a person wants to do. However, a new beginner may or may not like it, may or may not get injured.

Piano can be a very expensive hobby for some. Lessons and time are much more costly than beginner instruments. It can all be well worth it, but I believe there is such a thing as spending too much.

If a person can't tell the difference, there is nothing wrong with a starter instrument. It would be great if all of us had the funds for what an enthusiast would consider a decent instrument. However, it is not always the case.

Each person has their own monetary budget, their own budget of time as well. Save some of the money for lessons, that will often make more of a difference than the instrument.
Posted by: gvfarns

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/08/12 12:51 AM

Originally Posted By: 4g63mr
What do you guys think of the Kawai EP3. Lots of good reviews. Most reviews say it has a great feel and the sound is very good.


For whatever reason the EP3 has not been talked about all that much over the last few years. I guess because it competes directly with the Yamaha P155, which is pretty much always cheaper and more easily available, so the P155 gets recommended to people who want a decent piano for the very least amount of money possible.

One of our forum members, pv88, owns an EP3 and has often mentioned how much he likes it. He's had a lot of digitals so his opinion has a certain statistical significance. Based on what he and others have said, it appears to me that it is better than the P155 in a number of ways. The problem is that, like you, I have never seen one in real life. They aren't that easy to come by. And the action it features isn't in a lot of other pianos, so it's not easy to find even the same action to test somewhere.

If I had to buy sight unseen using only reviews and had only like a grand to spent, I'd very likely look to the EP3.
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/08/12 01:31 AM

Sandtiger thank you for the post. Very well written I have to admit I feel a lot better after reading it. As of right now I'm setting my new budget at around 1000 max. I didn't like the feel of the yamaha and casio pianos I got to try out. Something didn't feel right. Could also been from me being bashful and not wanting to feel like a complete moron poking at keys. Couple of reasons for my budget.
A. My other half may kill me if I spend more then that considering I have several thousand tied up in just one of my e drum kits. She still thinks 1000 is nuts but knows my joy of music.
B. I don't know how much or far I will go with piano. Don't get me wrong I love piano I just don't have loads of time with juggling work full time, working on my masters in biomedical engineering, and family. Music is a hobby for me. I play for mostly myself. It's how I cope with stress and how I ground myself.

That being said, do I want lessons? You bet I do. Do I have time atm? Not really. So I will be teaching my self until I have more time.

Oh you can add me to that list of spending to much and not using it.
I have a very nice hart dynamic custom e drum kit, spent loads of money over time on this kit. I have it covered up most of the time or in the case.... When I play e drums with head phones on I tend to grab my simple roland entry level td 3 kit. It's fast to set up, plays nice and I don't fear breaking it lol.

Gvfarns thank you as well.
I found the ep3 while looking at kawais website. I enjoyed the sound in the videos and the few reviews I found all seem to say its very very close to the feel of kawai acoustic pianos.

As of now I'm leaning in that direction. I also found a dealer of kawai pianos acoustic and digital in my area. I plan to see them this weekend.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/08/12 01:48 AM

Originally Posted By: 4g63mr
I also found a dealer of kawai pianos acoustic and digital in my area. I plan to see them this weekend.


4g63mr, may I recommend that you contact the dealer before visiting to ensure that they have the instrument you're interested available to play. The EP3 is typically sold by online/big-box music stores, while independent Kawai dealers will sell the ES6 or ES7.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/08/12 02:08 AM

James.

Well reguardless if they have the models I'm looking at, I still want to get a chance to feel and play a higher end kawai piano plus it will be good to talk to an expert in person. This will answer my true question of will I, my self be able to tell the difference.

Best part they are no more then 15 min drive from my home smile
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/08/12 02:21 AM

Ah, that's good - I had visions of you driving for hours across the state, only to find that the dealer didn't have any digitals. Fingers crossed it works out.

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: anotherscott

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/08/12 10:06 AM

Originally Posted By: 4g63mr
I didn't like the feel of the yamaha and casio pianos I got to try out.

It is very important to take note of the model numbers and not judge an entire brand based on one model. In the under-$1000 range, the Yamaha P-35/P-95/P-105 feel very different from the P-155/CP-33. And the Casio PX-150/PX-350 feel very different from the PX-130/PX-330 or CDP-120. Personally, I like the Casio PX-150/PX-350 action best of all those I mentioned... and I like the other Casios least.
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/08/12 07:45 PM

Update: I went to a local music store and got a chance to play some really really nice digital pianos. I fell inlove w/ two. I love the piano sounds and feel of the action on ALL the kawai DP.

However I found a feature on some of the upper end Yamaha digital pianos I fell inlove with. They have some teach you piano feature. I was amazed how well this worked and how much fun I had playing. To bad the piano was 18k ahahahahaa.

I got to play both CN and CS series kawai and LOVE them. If kawai had a teaching feature that the yamaha had I would buy one instantly.

Anyways does anyone know if yamaha or any other brand has a lower priced digital piano with the teach you to play feature? The guy at the store said that yamaha has a CVP-501 that does this feature but didnt have any in stock to show me.

If anyone knows what im talking about and could recomind something like that but doesn't cost a fortune I would be greatful.


As of right now the kawai cn23 I played today is at the top of my list of "nice" digital pianos. Its more then I wanted to spend but damn that piano was nice. I loved the sound and the action. I dont really like the style of its looks but that's okay. I can't have it all.

Anyways thats my update from today!
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/09/12 09:11 PM

If no recommendations of another piano with this feature does anyone know of software that would work with an ipad or laptop to help learn?

I checked every store in my location. Nobody has a kawai ep3. I'm really interested if anyone can tell me if the action on the ep3 is close or the same as the cn23. The kawai were by far my favorite action. From the extremely high priced versions down to the cn23.

Another issue I want to be able to take this on a road trip if I go out of town for a week for work. So I can headphone up and play in a hotel at nights.

Thanks again guys
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/09/12 09:30 PM

4g63mr, the EP3 is a much older model than the CN23.

If you're after a portable Kawai model, I would suggest the ES7.

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/09/12 10:53 PM

Okay so I take it the action is not the same or close on the ep3?
will def look into es7 then. Is the action on that model closer to the models I played?
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/09/12 11:06 PM

Here's a list of the different actions in the models you're considering:

- EP3/ES7: AHA IV-F (legacy action design, two-sensor, no let-off, no 'Ivory Touch')
- CN23: RH (modern action design, two-sensor, no let-off, Ivory Touch)
- ES7: RHII (modern action design, three-sensor, let-off, Ivory Touch)

The ES7 action is similar to the CN23 action, but features let-off and three-sensor key detection.

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/09/12 11:23 PM

James thank you very much for the replies. That does help me a lot.

I do like the action on the cn23. From my understanding I think I will like the es7 smile
Posted by: personne

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/10/12 08:40 AM

Originally Posted By: 4g63mr
However I found a feature on some of the upper end Yamaha digital pianos I fell inlove with. They have some teach you piano feature. To bad the piano was 18k ahahahahaa.

Anyways does anyone know if yamaha or any other brand has a lower priced digital piano with the teach you to play feature? The guy at the store said that yamaha has a CVP-501 that does this feature but didnt have any in stock to show me.


Roland has educational pianos - HPi-6F and 7F. 6F should cost just over 3K.

i-pad has educational app for it, but I do not know if it works with all digital pianos (I mean if you can connect it to a piano)
Posted by: Marco M

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/10/12 08:53 AM

When I last time saw prices, I couldnĀ“t imagine who would be the customer, a beginner needing the educational feature, but willing to pay that extremly high price of an high-end DP. If as a beginner willing to spend money for a professional high-end DP, then it might be a better choice to go for the HP-507 and an iPad. The result IMHO is pretty much the same, but the iPad is mobile and can be used for much things more than the iPad-alike screen built fixed into the HPi.
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/10/12 06:22 PM

Hey thanks for the replies. I keep going back and thinking I want a kawai. I like the feel of them so much. I liked the quality. I haven't liked yamahas unless they were really really high priced. Even with the cvp 501 it wasn't the action I liked. It was the learning software. However that's a lot of money for beginner like myself and way more money then I am willing to pay or can afford to pay ATM.
I went back to guitar center and realized the privias I played were not the newest models but last years. So for example they had a 130 and 330 not 150 and 350.

I have not got a chance to play a roland yet.

I was reading other threads on here and someone said for the money the new px 850 privia is the absolute best digital piano you can buy for under 1000 bucks. To find anything close to the feel and sound and value in other digital pianos you would have to spend 2000 to 2500.

Is this true? When I read these things I couldn't help but to be excited. I'm hoping to find and play one. What are the big differences in a 350 and an 850. To me it looks like a stand and different speakers.

Anyways thanks again.
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/11/12 10:56 PM

Update:: I got a chance to play the real 2012 px series from casio. I still have my budget set at 1000. I found that I like the way the px 150 and px 350 feel and play and even sound.
I have a question after reading a bit on the differences I don't see anywhere in the articles or casio site that the 150 and 350 aside from extra sounds, better speakers, and some extra recording extras. The sounds they share I think are the exact same I couldn't tell a bit of difference in them with headphones on. The feel was the same to me. I couldn't feel any difference.
Is this true?

With that being said I'm narrowing my debate on the px series (I couldn't find a 750 or 850) so no reference.
My needs again.
A. Good feel. Kawai is by far my fav. Followed by the New px series privias.
B. sound by I only care about piano sound. Again I like kawai best (played cn23), I did like the casio much better then the yamaha p105.
C. Portability for if I travel. Very rarely happens but it does. So this is a very low priority.
My shopping list as of now (ideas).

- Px 150 save money so I can buy a nice bench and stand. Have money for sound software. Can someone give me a few ideas? Also some for learning piano. Maybe some with ipad or px hook up that include games so I can get the kid excited about practice.

- px 350. Unless there is some major reason to buy this I don't see the extra cost doing me any good. I don't care about recording my self, the speakers mean nothing to me. The feel was the same as the px150

- px 750 or 850. Alot of reviews love the 850 saying it has outstanding value. I can't find one to play. I honestly haven't looked into the 750. It looks like a 350 with a fancy stand and pedals.

- Kawai ep3. Outdated and have been advised against it. It's mostly appealing because how much I like the kawais I have played.

- search for a good used piano/ hope to find an amazing deal on es7 or cn24 ?

These are my ideas. I was very tempted to buy the 150 today. I wanted to post first and make sure it's a good value for me.

I also tried a yamaha p105 and 155. I just don't like yamaha digital pianos as much. I'm not sure why. Though I do love the learning software on the 4000 one I played lol.

Anyways thanks in advance for the read.
Posted by: pv88

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/11/12 11:34 PM

Originally Posted By: 4g63mr
- Kawai ep3. Outdated and have been advised against it. It's mostly appealing because how much I like the kawais I have played.


Don't let anyone dissuade you from buying a Kawai EP3 (even if you can't try it out first, at a store) as I bought mine sight unseen online (directly from www.sweetwater.com) and can say I don't regret the purchase.

1) EP3 has far better decay/sustain than the Casio AP-620 which is Casio's best console model, and, the new AP-650 isn't any better from other reports in this forum. Be sure to read all of this thread, here:

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1985491/Casio%20AP-650.html

2) The EP3's action is very smooth and solid with a slightly weighted feel. No problems with playing just about anything on it.

3) Has nice speakers, which gives the piano good ambience in perceiving the quality of the sounds. Good reverb effects!

4) Very portable at 45 pounds, and, while it is not the lightest board available its quite reasonable.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/12/12 12:11 AM

If you are looking for a basic digital the PX-150 would be a good choice. However, if you are planning on buying the stand and pedal bar, take another look at the PX-750 which comes with the stand and pedal bar. Cost is nearly the same and you get better speakers in the 750. The PX-850 may not be in abundant supply but it does have extended polyphony (256) upgraded amp, and speakers. The lid opens and there is a sound simulator to simulate the sound of a grand piano with the lid open. The PX-850 also has sympathetic resonance which is supposed to more accurately produce the harmonics of the strings resonating. It's unclear how well this feature works and is the first time Casio has offered something like this. The PX-350 has already received Keyboard Magazine's Key Buy award. Casio sold a lot of the PX-x30 series (PX-130, 330) which was the last generation. They seem destined for success with the PX-x50 series. They offer a lot of bang for your buck. Roland, Yahama, Korg, and Kawai have a better reputation, but Casio is raising the bar and getting noticed. As far as action goes, Casio makes only one keybed which is used on all of its Privia/Celviano models. The action is all new on the PX-x50 series with Ivory coated keys. I think it feels similar to the previous PX-x30 generation but I didn't get to spend much time the first time I played one. But it feels good and reminds me of Yahama GH action.
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/12/12 01:12 AM

Pv88 thanks again for the reply. I'm still at a big toss up. It's tuff for me because being so new I really don't know what to listen for. However that being said your recordings on the ep3 I did like a lot.

I don't know if its an advantage or disadvantage to me. I have never really played an acoustic piano so I don't know how it "should" feel. As I posted before I struggle to play chop sticks let alone something complex such as Chopin or Schubert.

I'm at that stage were I don't know. The px 150 feels nice and sounds nice to me and 600 bucks is sweet to my bank account.
Then I liked the kawais I played so much I wanted to buy them which is why I am attracted to the ep3.

However I'm worried about buyers remorse. Buy the dated ep3 and kick my self wonder if I should wait and see if a new say ep4 comes out I. That price rang.
Get the px 150 and wish I would have chanced the ep3.

Or I hold off and save more cash putting playing off for a while longer.
Posted by: pv88

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/12/12 01:28 AM

If it's of any help, I can say that it is perfectly okay to get the piano that fits your budget if you only had (let's say) $600 to spend. In that case a new Casio PX-150 would fit your price bracket, and, it's an okay digital for a beginner or intermediate level player.

Now, if you had $1,000 to spend, then you're looking at something like the Kawai EP3, Yamaha P-155, and so forth. Therefore, the digitals in this price range may be a little better than the one at $600, although only by a small margin.

And, if you are looking for a digital that you can grow up with (as a more advanced player) you will have to spend around $4,000 to find the best actions, very good sounds, and, additional features. This includes the upper end models like the Kawai CA65, CA95, the Yamaha AvantGrand N1, hybrid NU1, and, the Roland LX-15, or, V-Piano.

It is really best if you can play the pianos in question first, and, make your choice based upon:

1) Action
2) Sounds
3) Features

As a beginner, any model at $1,000 (or, higher) would be sufficient.

Rely upon your own ears and touch for the best comparison.
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/12/12 11:05 AM

Im still on the edge.. On the EP3 or one of the privia's.

I have told my self im not going to go over my budget until I can learn to play something. Setting a goal. I talked it over w/ my other half and she agree's. We get something 1000 ish or under. Take lessons for the kid and I. Then when we move in to our first house we buy a nice acoustic that I have been wanting or a really nice digital, or both : p

Anyways this is where im at. Im researching software atm.
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/12/12 01:27 PM

Last Update:
I have a buddy that works for full compass and can get me a little bit of a deal on some Digital pianos.
Of the pianos I can afford I like the Privia series, and of the privias I came to the conclusion that nothing the higher models offered I cared about. So what I can get when looking at these.

px 150 w/ matching stand and 3 pedal setup for 600 shipped.
P 105 w/ matching stand and pedals for 620 shipped
p 155 no real discount at all, money saved is on accessories mostly
or
Take a chance find an EP3 and buy that.

I didnt really like the p105 of 155 so not really an option

Its down to
PX 150 w/ stand and tri pedals for 600
or
EP3 from different retailer for retail cost.
Posted by: scorpio

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/12/12 01:30 PM

My favorite from the list is Yamaha P-155.

I am trying to decide myself, too. I am getting the P-155 or biting the bullet and getting the Kawai ES7.
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/12/12 02:13 PM

DennisKuv - I played a p155 and didn't like it as much as I did the privia's. Maybe personal preference.

If I had the cash atm to go for the es7 I would but I talked it over w/ the other half and her and agreed to stick to my budget of 1000 or less. For me the only kawai in my budget is the dated ep3. I cant find one to play but I have heard some samples that pv88 posted and I really like the sound.

Im really kind of torn like yourself. Go w/ option A. The privia with pretty much a free matching stand and tri pedals.
or
Bite the bullet and get the EP3 my second choice.


The wife and are buying our first home in the few years when I figure out where im going to land a new career after I finish up my masters degree. When I do this I play to buy an acoustic piano or a really nice digital.

Right now im leaning towards the px150 because I can get a good deal on it. I think it will do fine for me just learning a bit on. Like I have said before im playing chopsticks and poorly at that.
Posted by: scorpio

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/12/12 02:45 PM

Best of luck to you and your "other half". It's a very exciting time buying your first home. May it always be filled with love and music!

And happy holidays!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTcSWEBgnRc

I came across this amazing video during my research, performed on a Yamaha P-155. (hope it was okay to post the link)
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/12/12 04:28 PM

Thank you so much. Very kind of you to say.

Links should be fine people link me to stuff all the time smile



Well the moment of truth I just placed an order. I went for the privia. I have the matching stand and 3 pedal setup. Total cost was 601.00. I'm pleased with my order and feeling good. smile
Posted by: BoringPat

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/13/12 12:59 AM

I have been following the thread. And I know that feeling when I bought my Privia 330. Now that I have been learning piano with my kid for 2 years (weekly lesson) and I have yet to outgrow it. So be glad that you stick to your budget and got the px135! You made a wise decision.
Posted by: floydthebarber71

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/13/12 06:32 AM

I think it's best to just get something and start playing. Of course you don't want to make a wrong choice, but anything that feels decent will be okay for a beginner imo. I was (or am) in the same shoes as you. I went with a Kawai CL-36 (same action etc as the CN-23 you tried I think) because the action was sooo nice from all the Yamahas and Casios etc that I tried. I'm really glad I went with this, because after some playing, I love the feel of the Kawai and I am drawn to just wanting to play more and more. This should be the most important thing.

Good luck!
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/13/12 11:24 AM

Yeah, after much debate I went with PX-150. I played one and "I" enjoyed it very much. I mean its not high end high priced but for me knowning nothing about piano or even if I will enjoy it in the long run this seemed like a much viable option.

Now I play the waiting game..
Posted by: vein

Re: Order placed!! Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/13/12 12:26 PM

i just order a new digtal piano and hope iwill get better.
Posted by: 4g63mr

Re: Order placed!! Very new to Digital Piano/ Piano's - 12/13/12 12:33 PM

What did you order?