Starting Jazz school next month & cant decide between boards

Posted by: Franga

Starting Jazz school next month & cant decide between boards - 01/07/13 04:54 PM

Hi,

I am starting Jazz school next month and need to upgrade from my old Yamaha DGX630. I am deciding between the Yamaha P155 and the Yamaha CP50. I really need something more portable than my DGX and more suited to live situations.

So between the P155 and the CP50 which one should I go for? I know they both have the same action (dont they?) but sound wise what is better. I REALLY want and need just a few good piano sounds and EP sounds and maybe a jazz organ. I dont need all the drum kits etc that the CP50 has but are its tones better than the P155? Is it worth paying more for the CP50 for better sounds or are they the same. Also i like the fact that the CP50 has an EQ right on it, but could i just buy an EQ pedal for the P155? also the P155 has a metronome and transposition which is VERY useful.

PLEASE HELP and give all opinions

Thanks smile
Posted by: maurus

Re: Starting Jazz school next month & cant decide between boards - 01/07/13 05:20 PM

How will you amplify your piano? P155 has onboard speakers, CP50 doesn't. As far as I know the actions are indeed the same (quite good, actually). CP50 will be more suited for live performances. I don't think the main piano sound will be much different, but the CP50 offers more variability. Hence, if onboard speakers don't matter to you, I'd probably prefer the CP50 - given your choice.
Posted by: Franga

Re: Starting Jazz school next month & cant decide between boards - 01/07/13 05:29 PM

I will either plug straight into the venue's PA or use my amp. The onboard speakers wouldnt matter in live situations but I'm so used to being able to sit down, turn the board on and play, like the DGX, so the P155's speakers would be good for practice. But is it worth the extra $700 for more variability? thanks for the reply smile
Posted by: jazzwee

Re: Starting Jazz school next month & cant decide between boards - 01/07/13 05:46 PM

CP50. You will feel more satisfied with the result (particularly with dynamics).
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Starting Jazz school next month & cant decide between boards - 01/07/13 07:46 PM

To be honest, I think this is a two part question:

- DP with a very good keyboard action for studying Jazz piano playing at a high level.
- DP that is lightweight and portable, and suitable for gigging.

Assuming your studies take priority, I would favour a Roland or Kawai instrument over either Yamaha, based largely on their superior keyboard action,practising at an advanced level.

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: PianoZac

Re: Starting Jazz school next month & cant decide between boards - 01/08/13 12:03 AM

Are you looking at these 2 because of price point or just because you're a fan of Yamaha only? For the same money as the CP50, I would take a serious look at the MP6 which IMHO plays and sounds better than both the CP50/P155. The P155 sounds dated and lifeless. The CP50 action plays like mud and has the classic Yamaha sterile DP tone. It's just not that expressive. There was a time I considered the CP50 before I got my Nord because one thing Yamaha DPs do well is cut through a live mix. They work well for gigging musicians from a tonality POV. I owned an AvantGrand N1 for about 18 months, and while it was an excellent practice tool, with headphones on, it didn't sound appreciably better or different than my old CP300. Same basic tone overall. Through it's built in speakers it sounded great, however.

Roland has some great playing and sounding keyboards, namely the FP-7F and RD-700NX (I think the Ivory Feel-G action in the FP-4F/RD-300NX is sluggish feeling). But, neither are that light, and the SuperNATURAL sound just doesn't cut it live (no pun intended). I would try and find an MP6, that will be the tough part. I really think the RH action on that is superior to the actions in the boards you are looking at and the tone to me is for sure better than the P155 and to my ears, much more pleasant and alive than the CP50.

All of this is my 2 cents worth exactly what you paid for it. smile
Posted by: Franga

Re: Starting Jazz school next month & cant decide between boards - 01/08/13 05:28 AM

thanks for your reply smile I just took a look at the mp6 and some samples and it does sound great as well as looks great. I can get it for $1500 online, is it worth it? I have always been a fan of yamaha, but maybe its time for a change...
Posted by: Dave Horne

Re: Starting Jazz school next month & cant decide between boards - 01/08/13 05:44 AM

CP33 ... $999.

To be honest, studying 'jazz' piano technically is no different from studying any other styles of playing. It wouldn't hurt to spend a fair amount of time on acoustic grands ... really good grands.
Posted by: Franga

Re: Starting Jazz school next month & cant decide between boards - 01/08/13 04:36 PM

could you give me your reasons for the cp33? I will be playing on acoustic grands at the school as every practice room has one, but i'll use the board for practice at my flat and at gigs etc
Posted by: Dave Horne

Re: Starting Jazz school next month & cant decide between boards - 01/08/13 05:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Franga
could you give me your reasons for the cp33? I will be playing on acoustic grands at the school as every practice room has one, but i'll use the board for practice at my flat and at gigs etc


It has the same action as the CP300 which is the best action from an electric piano that I've played. I own the CP5; the CP33 and CP300 have a better action than my CP5.

Even though the CP33 was introduced in May 2006, it is still a very solid stage piano. It's a perfect size and weighs 18 kg\40 lbs.

The CP50, the little brother of the CP1 and CP5, uses an external power supply. To be honest, whenever I see an external power supply on a keyboard I always look at it as being less than professional.
Posted by: Franga

Re: Starting Jazz school next month & cant decide between boards - 01/08/13 08:09 PM

thanks for that smile would you say that the acoustic pianos and EP sounds are just as good as the cp50? becuase that is my main concern. also would you recommend the cp33 over the Kawai MP6? thanks.
Posted by: buladscot

Re: Starting Jazz school next month & cant decide between boards - 01/08/13 08:18 PM

You will feel more satisfied with the result
Posted by: Dave Horne

Re: Starting Jazz school next month & cant decide between boards - 01/08/13 08:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Franga
thanks for that smile would you say that the acoustic pianos and EP sounds are just as good as the cp50? becuase that is my main concern. also would you recommend the cp33 over the Kawai MP6? thanks.


The one piece of advice that is given over and over ... and for good reason, play the keyboards in question.

Almost every keyboard I've played has issues. You have to play the keyboard(s) for yourself.
Posted by: PianoZac

Re: Starting Jazz school next month & cant decide between boards - 01/08/13 08:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Dave Horne


The one piece of advice that is given over and over ... and for good reason, play the keyboards in question.

Almost every keyboard I've played has issues. You have to play the keyboard(s) for yourself.


+1.
Posted by: origen

Re: Starting Jazz school next month & cant decide between boards - 01/08/13 09:32 PM

are you going to Jazz school for more than 1 year? What Im getting at is...is this a four year college and your majoring in Jazz or is this like a 6 month Jazz school or a two year deal. If this is a 4 year Jazz school (college) then I would heartily second Kawai James on his recommendations of a Roland or Kawai, maybe even a nice kurzweil if you can find a used in exceelent condition k2500, other than that, for a long term jazz commitment and for a serious player Id go the "do it right the first time" route and get an mp6, mp10, rd700gx or rd700nx all day every day over anything else, used in excellent condition will run you between 1200 and 2k for these. Best of luck in your hunt.
Posted by: Franga

Re: Starting Jazz school next month & cant decide between boards - 01/09/13 03:21 AM

yes it is a 4 year course and I'd like to get a board i can rely on. The MP6 may be the one...

thanks for everyone's help smile