Kawai MP6 or Roland FP-7f/FP-7 PLEASE HELP ASAP

Posted by: Franga

Kawai MP6 or Roland FP-7f/FP-7 PLEASE HELP ASAP - 01/09/13 06:48 PM

Hi,

I recently posted about me going to college next year to study jazz for 4 years and my needs for a good DP with good AP and EP sounds. I thought of getting the Yamaha CP50 but found 2 other models that seemed better and more suitable

Kawai MP6
Roland FP-7f

What would be better for me? I will be practicing on real acoustic grands at the school but need my board for away and home practices, gigs etc. I really only need good, solid AP and EP sounds and not all the features like drum accompaniment etc. I love the 3 band EQ etc.

What model do you feel has the superior action, tone etc?

also would getting a Roland FP-7 for cheaper than these 2 be a good option?

Thanks for any help you can give. All opinions welcome smile
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Kawai MP6 or Roland FP-7f/FP-7 PLEASE HELP ASAP - 01/09/13 06:55 PM

Not wishing to complicate matters further, but if you're considering the FP-7F, I would also suggest you add the Kawai ES7 to your list. Actually, this is a direct competitor with the FP-7F.

As for which instrument is superior, it's very difficult to say objectively. Some folks prefer the Kawai action, others may prefer the Roland sound and vice versa. Really, it comes down to personal preference.

A second-hand FP-7 may also be a viable option, especially if the price is right. However this obviously depends on the condition of the instrument.

Anyway, best of luck with your ongoing search, and of course your jazz studies!

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: Franga

Re: Kawai MP6 or Roland FP-7f/FP-7 PLEASE HELP ASAP - 01/09/13 07:15 PM

Thanks smile

I found a used FP-7:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/roland-fp-7-digital-piano?condition=used#used

but it does look quite damaged, however I wouldn't mind as long as it sounded and played great.

The thing is, I can get a new MP6 for the same price as the used FP-7. I can also save a few dollars by getting the MP6 vs the FP-7f which is always nice for college :P

Would the MP6 be the right choice for me in this situation, both of them are great boards but deciding is so hard as I will probably use the board I buy throughout my study time.
Posted by: torhu

Re: Kawai MP6 or Roland FP-7f/FP-7 PLEASE HELP ASAP - 01/09/13 08:01 PM

The FP-7F doesn't have good EP's, not sure about the FP-7.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: Kawai MP6 or Roland FP-7f/FP-7 PLEASE HELP ASAP - 01/09/13 11:58 PM

Below, I have pasted the answer I gave in a similar thread recently. Please remember it is just one person's opinion. One thing to add is that the EPs in the FP-7 are, to me, more usable than those in the "F" models. Certainly, the editable effects help. The FP-7's main acoustic piano patches are also good, but not quite as expressive as those in the FP-7F.

Here's the stuff from the other thread - make of it what you will:
"For the first time ever, surprisingly, I had the FP-7F and MP6 set up next to each other the past couple of days; up to now they've always resided in different parts of the house. I had the chance to assess whether my perception of them independently stood up when they could be A/B'd directly. What I found pretty much confirmed my previous assessment.

I ran them both through the FP-7F's internal speakers, so there was no possible bias. The MP's AP samples are noticeably clearer and more "piano-like" than the Roland's; they are also harsher in the higher registers. However, at low velocities, the MP6 was much more difficult to control, and so pianissimo passages were more hit-and-miss, with less mellowing of timbre. However, the Kawai's action, in isolation, felt somewhat more positive (I hate to say more like a real piano, although I think that's what I mean) than the Roland's.

More interesting was the psychological reaction. I had decided to put them both up for sale since I'm trying to make do with fewer boards, and also have a Krome 88 on order for gigging with the band (primarily because it has good samples in a lightweight form). Up to that point I couldn't decide which DP to keep. A prospective purchaser came to choose between the two pianos, and I found that, despite the Kawai's far better EPs and effects, better interface, more "realistic" attack sound, etc., I found myself hoping the guy would buy the Kawai (he did). In the end, I found that, for me, the Roland action/sound connection, and the non-looped, non-static decay trumped everything else - it just feels great to play, and so I think I play better as a result. I also felt no seller's remorse (apart from the monetary loss) after parting with an instrument I have enjoyed playing with my band.

The FP-7F is a far from perfect board, but I do hope that other manufacturers will recognize that what Roland got right with their SuperNATURAL/PHAIII are the areas that they really do need to address. Hopefully, NAMM will bring some fresh approaches. The playability - call it a holistic approach to design, if you will - pays huge dividends for the pianist, IMO, even if the individual parts are less than perfect. This feeds into the discussion about keyboard action and perception: here. I think it is pointless to decide on action or sound in isolation, as it is the whole that separates a sound-producing keyboard from an instrument. "
Posted by: JFP

Re: Kawai MP6 or Roland FP-7f/FP-7 PLEASE HELP ASAP - 01/10/13 02:17 AM

Try the FP7F and ES7 if you're a serious pianist . Both have a better action for classical and AP jazz playing. As for the EP sounds: The Kawai has only a few , but they are pretty good. The Roland has more presets to choose from. For AP it's a matter of preference, although technically the SN AP on the Roland is superior.

Mp6 is nice all round controller, but for pure acoustic piano studying inferior to the other two...
Posted by: boyonahill

Re: Kawai MP6 or Roland FP-7f/FP-7 PLEASE HELP ASAP - 01/12/13 10:53 PM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
Below, I have pasted the answer I gave in a similar thread recently. Please remember it is just one person's opinion. One thing to add is that the EPs in the FP-7 are, to me, more usable than those in the "F" models. Certainly, the editable effects help. The FP-7's main acoustic piano patches are also good, but not quite as expressive as those in the FP-7F.

Here's the stuff from the other thread - make of it what you will:
"For the first time ever, surprisingly, I had the FP-7F and MP6 set up next to each other the past couple of days; up to now they've always resided in different parts of the house. I had the chance to assess whether my perception of them independently stood up when they could be A/B'd directly. What I found pretty much confirmed my previous assessment.

I ran them both through the FP-7F's internal speakers, so there was no possible bias. The MP's AP samples are noticeably clearer and more "piano-like" than the Roland's; they are also harsher in the higher registers. However, at low velocities, the MP6 was much more difficult to control, and so pianissimo passages were more hit-and-miss, with less mellowing of timbre. However, the Kawai's action, in isolation, felt somewhat more positive (I hate to say more like a real piano, although I think that's what I mean) than the Roland's.

More interesting was the psychological reaction. I had decided to put them both up for sale since I'm trying to make do with fewer boards, and also have a Krome 88 on order for gigging with the band (primarily because it has good samples in a lightweight form). Up to that point I couldn't decide which DP to keep. A prospective purchaser came to choose between the two pianos, and I found that, despite the Kawai's far better EPs and effects, better interface, more "realistic" attack sound, etc., I found myself hoping the guy would buy the Kawai (he did). In the end, I found that, for me, the Roland action/sound connection, and the non-looped, non-static decay trumped everything else - it just feels great to play, and so I think I play better as a result. I also felt no seller's remorse (apart from the monetary loss) after parting with an instrument I have enjoyed playing with my band.

The FP-7F is a far from perfect board, but I do hope that other manufacturers will recognize that what Roland got right with their SuperNATURAL/PHAIII are the areas that they really do need to address. Hopefully, NAMM will bring some fresh approaches. The playability - call it a holistic approach to design, if you will - pays huge dividends for the pianist, IMO, even if the individual parts are less than perfect. This feeds into the discussion about keyboard action and perception: here. I think it is pointless to decide on action or sound in isolation, as it is the whole that separates a sound-producing keyboard from an instrument. "



Thank you for a very nice comparo!

The problem with looping is that once you've noticed it, it disturbs you. And this is difficult to unlearn!
Posted by: voxpops

Re: Kawai MP6 or Roland FP-7f/FP-7 PLEASE HELP ASAP - 01/12/13 11:32 PM

You're welcome!