Yamaha NU1 ... just played one

Posted by: Dave Horne

Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/12/13 12:17 PM

I drove to my local music store to have a close up look of the StagePas 600 and there was an NU1 on the floor. I played it for about 10 minutes. It's very, very nice.

I can see a piano like this in restaurants and hotels. It has a very small footprint, sounds great, looks great, ... and never needs to be tuned ... and has a great keyboard action.

The price here was €4399.
Posted by: 36251

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/12/13 12:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
I drove to my local music store to have a close up look of the StagePas 600 and there was an NU1 on the floor. I played it for about 10 minutes. It's very, very nice.

I can see a piano like this in restaurants and hotels. It has a very small footprint, sounds great, looks great, ... and never needs to be tuned ... and has a great keyboard action.

The price here was €4399.
...but would you trade it for your AG?
Posted by: enzo.sandrolini

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/12/13 02:05 PM

Yes,
That's the point we all would like to know: How does the NU1 compare to the AG (sound and keyboard) ?
Posted by: Dave Horne

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/12/13 02:55 PM

Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
Yes,
That's the point we all would like to know: How does the NU1 compare to the AG (sound and keyboard) ?


It compares favorably. If the N series did not exist, I'd be here pushing the NU1.

I've had my N3 for two years and eight months and the action is broken in. The action on this NU1 was crisp and still felt quite new. I would not be unhappy in the slightest if I had to sell my N3 and buy an NU1.

I personally prefer to have a work out when I practice and this new NU1 presented a slight challenge to me when I played it today. I always like playing on a brand new action and I really liked this NU1.

It really is a great piano. If I had an offer to play regularly in a hotel or restaurant, I'd consider buying one and moving it to the job.
Posted by: enzo.sandrolini

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/12/13 03:06 PM

What exactly do you mean by "broken in" ? do you mean the action has worn out ?
Do you think that the action difference is really because your AG action has worn out ? or because the Uprgith action from the NU1 is simply different ?
Why don't you call a technician to revise your N3 action ?
Posted by: EssBrace

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/12/13 03:47 PM

Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
Do you think that the action difference is really because your AG action has worn out ?


Who says his AG action is worn out? You ask him to clarify what he means but then go on to make assumptions (incorrectly as it happens).
Posted by: Dave Horne

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/12/13 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
What exactly do you mean by "broken in" ? do you mean the action has worn out ?
Do you think that the action difference is really because your AG action has worn out ? or because the Uprgith action from the NU1 is simply different ?
Why don't you call a technician to revise your N3 action ?



Enzo, I've owned and bought only new keyboards in my life. I also spend a fair amount of time playing somewhat technical stuff. There's a difference between a piano that has seen very little use - a new piano, or a piano that has been heavy played upon daily. My N3 will be three years old in May.

In probably less than five years ... and if Yamaha does not come up with a follow up to the N3, I'll have the action of my N3 worked on ... just like I did when I owned a C3 and just like I did on my GranTouch.

Pianos have many moving parts and with considerable daily use tolerances become less precise. I really liked the NU1 because it is a great piano and also because the action is brand new.

I have now spent more time writing here than I did playing the NU1.

I suggest that you make a trip to a dealer that has one and then you can make up your own mind. For me a piano is just a tool, I'm not married to a particular piano for life. There's something nice about buying something new especially if you're a pianist and the purchase is a new piano.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/12/13 05:06 PM

"looks great, ... "

Dave, are you being serious?

http://www.promenademusic.co.uk/Yamaha-N1-Avant-Grand-Piano?keyword=yamaha N1 Avant grand&category_id=0
Posted by: 10fingers

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/12/13 05:15 PM

Originally Posted By: peterws
"looks great, ... "

Dave, are you being serious?

http://www.promenademusic.co.uk/Yamaha-N1-Avant-Grand-Piano?keyword=yamaha N1 Avant grand&category_id=0


Different piano, Peter. I think Dave's talking about this

http://www.promenademusic.co.uk/yamaha-nu1-piano?keyword=Yamaha%20NU1&category_id=0
Posted by: Dave Horne

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/12/13 05:17 PM

Peter, I had a lengthy reply prepared then realized you're referring to the N1.

NU1 ...

Posted by: spanishbuddha

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/12/13 06:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Dave Horne

It compares favorably. If the N series did not exist, I'd be here pushing the NU1.

I've had my N3 for two years and eight months and the action is broken in. The action on this NU1 was crisp and still felt quite new. I would not be unhappy in the slightest if I had to sell my N3 and buy an NU1.

I personally prefer to have a work out when I practice and this new NU1 presented a slight challenge to me when I played it today. I always like playing on a brand new action and I really liked this NU1.

It really is a great piano. If I had an offer to play regularly in a hotel or restaurant, I'd consider buying one and moving it to the job.



+1 on all counts. I did buy one, and after considering all the non-hybrid high end digitals (LX15, CS9, VGrand, etc). They were all fine but nothing beats that piano action for playing ... Piano.
Posted by: peterws

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/12/13 07:58 PM

Sorry about that Dave . . .my mistake! The NU1 looks terrific, no doubt about it.
Posted by: Dave Horne

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/13/13 05:16 AM

I have to say that after seeing this NU1 in person and having played it, my opinion has slightly changed about the N1.

I initially thought that having a grand piano action is heads and shoulders above a vertical action but that's not really the case.

I could be very happy just playing on a vertical action ... and the fact that the NU1 looks rather slim and elegant (especially when compared to the N1) is a considerable plus. I really see this NU1 being used in homes, hotels and restaurants where looks count a little.

I really wish Yamaha had more competition in this hybrid market.
Posted by: 36251

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/13/13 07:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
I have to say that after seeing this NU1 in person and having played it, my opinion has slightly changed about the N1.

I initially thought that having a grand piano action is heads and shoulders above a vertical action but that's not really the case.

I could be very happy just playing on a vertical action ... and the fact that the NU1 looks rather slim and elegant (especially when compared to the N1) is a considerable plus. I really see this NU1 being used in homes, hotels and restaurants where looks count a little.

I really wish Yamaha had more competition in this hybrid market.
Your comments so far IMO have lacked a commitment to really give an opinion about specifics of each instrument. The sound system, the samples, not having escapement on NU1, etc. I'm sure you can use the extra money your N3 can fetch, while using some of it for a brand new NU1.

I personally, could not live with upright action, after so many years of not being able to fit a suitable grand in my space, but I like reading about how new models fair.
Posted by: Dave Horne

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/13/13 09:15 AM

Your comments so far IMO have lacked a commitment to really give an opinion about specifics of each instrument. The sound system, the samples, not having escapement on NU1, etc. I'm sure you can use the extra money your N3 can fetch, while using some of it for a brand new NU1.

I personally, could not live with upright action, after so many years of not being able to fit a suitable grand in my space, but I like reading about how new models fair.


The sound system - I said that I did not play with the volume cranked up but to be perfectly honest, I never play with the volume cranked up. The NU1 sounded just fine.

the samples - I didn't listen through headphones, but here again, the two samples I played (1 and 4) sounded just like the samples on my N3. Even if the piano sample is different, it sounds just fine.

not having escapement - I guess I'm not as fussy as some here. If the NU1 were the only hybrid piano on the market, I'd buy it ... and I'd be happy.

I just like having a real acoustic action to practice on and a volume control so I can play with a quiet output. I look at these pianos as tools to be used. I don't play from the depths of my very soul, I just play the piano. smile
Posted by: ando

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/13/13 09:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Dave Horne



not having escapement - I guess I'm not as fussy as some here. If the NU1 were the only hybrid piano on the market, I'd buy it ... and I'd be happy.


The thing is the N1,2,3 don't implement the escapement properly with the key sensors anyway, so the NU1 is just as good.

Quote:
I just like having a real acoustic action to practice on and a volume control so I can play with a quiet output.


Upright actions are unfairly criticised on this forum. A real upright action beats any of the grand action wannabes out there in DP land. The only thing it can't beat is the AG's grand action - and even then it gets darn close.

Quote:
I look at these pianos as tools to be used. I don't play from the depths of my very soul, I just play the piano. smile


That gave me a chuckle.
Posted by: 36251

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/13/13 09:54 AM

Dave, better sell N3 now to save on depreciation.
Posted by: 36251

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/13/13 10:04 AM

Ando, I think there's more with gravity that makes grand better.
Posted by: Dave Horne

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/13/13 10:32 AM

Originally Posted By: 36251
Dave, better sell N3 now to save on depreciation.


I'll trade my N3 in on the next version of the 'N3'. I traded in my 12 year old GranTouch for my N3 and received €3,500. I'm not worried in the slightest about depreciation.

To be honest I'm toying with the idea of buying the NU1 as a second 'acoustic' keyboard.
Posted by: sullivang

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/13/13 02:24 PM

I'm still curious (for academic reasons) to know whether the NU1 has a fake double-escapement (like tri-sensor standard DPs). I.e - it's conceivable that it allows repeats for relatively shallow key returns, despite the fact that the physical action would not allow that, if it were used with real strings.

Greg.
Posted by: Dave Horne

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/13/13 03:13 PM

I wrote the following ... The sound system - I said that I did not play with the volume cranked up but to be perfectly honest, I never play with the volume cranked up. The NU1 sounded just fine.

I went back and reread my entries and I apparently did not refer earlier in this thread to the sound system. I think I must have written about it and then edited my post for some reason. This is no big deal, I'm just trying to be honest and accurate.
Posted by: ando

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/13/13 03:54 PM

Originally Posted By: 36251
Ando, I think there's more with gravity that makes grand better.


Yes, no doubt that is true, but i don't think we should exaggerate it. A nice upright action is very expressive and still better than the miniaturised grand actions found in modern DPs, IMO.
Posted by: Possum SP280Krome

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/13/13 04:37 PM

I played I believe a N1 (or NU1) today. Not sure.
It had a list price of $15k, they told be it was a 2011 model and would to $10k on it.

It felt real.

However, there is a CLV 465G i like. Leaving slab world though.
Posted by: Melodialworks Music

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/13/13 07:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Possum PX130350
I played I believe a N1 (or NU1) today. Not sure.
It had a list price of $15k, they told be it was a 2011 model and would to $10k on it.


Retail prices in my part of the world:

NU1 - $4,699
N1 - $7,500
Posted by: Susan_B

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/14/13 02:16 AM

When I made the deal on my N1, I didn't see the NU1 on the floor, or I would have played one. To be honest, I didn't ask to see one because I was convinced I wanted grand piano action. My N1 has proven a great practice tool for classical -- it allows me to play deep, and I'm able to easily adapt to my teacher's 9 ft grand. That being said, you have piqued my curiosity about the NU1. These hybrids are excellent practice pianos when one has the need to keep the volume turned down.
Posted by: Susan_B

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/14/13 11:28 AM

Dave, I forgot to mention, when I bought my N1, the store manager told me I will need to have the action regulated about every 3 years. You might consider having a Yamaha-trained tuner-technician adjust the action on your N3 before buying a new one.
Posted by: Dave Horne

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/14/13 11:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Susan_B
Dave, I forgot to mention, when I bought my N1, the store manager told me I will need to have the action regulated about every 3 years. You might consider having a Yamaha-trained tuner-technician adjust the action on your N3 before buying a new one.


Susan, I had the action of my GranTouch worked on after I had it for five years or so. It doesn't have to be a 'Yamaha trained tech' per se, a grand action is basically a grand action. At least the hammers don't need to be needled. smile

The GranTouch wasn't too difficult to open. I removed the action several times myself. The AvantGrand poses a slightly more difficult challenge.
Posted by: spanishbuddha

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/14/13 01:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Susan_B
These hybrids are excellent practice pianos when has the need to keep the volume turns down.



+1, just that precisely.

They are different instruments IMHO from many digitals, which usually have lots more functions and capabilities. Each to his/her own requirement, and there are many excellent digitals (ignoring the quest on this forum for technical perfection).

I do 'extend' mine and add extra sounds (organs and EP's is what I'm occasionally interested in) by using midi. But my priority is the piano action.
Posted by: Vid

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/14/13 02:00 PM

The last time I played on both (N1 and NU1 beside each other) I found I liked the action on the NU1 better. I first time however I preferred the N1.

The order in which I played on them were reversed so I'm not sure if that has something to do with it but I did got back and forth on them. It may be the NU1 floor model was newer and it felt like that action was deeper somehow, the N1 action that time felt overly light.

Anyways, I think my dp upgrade will probably favor the NU1 because of price, looks, and sound. It would be a bonus that I prefer its action as well.
Posted by: Melodialworks Music

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/14/13 04:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Vid
The last time I played on both (N1 and NU1 beside each other) I found I liked the action on the NU1 better. I first time however I preferred the N1.


In my experience, the second impression is always the one to trust.

Originally Posted By: Vid

. . . . the N1 action that time felt overly light.


Interesting. I've also read the opposite, that the action of the NU1 seems lighter than the N1.
Posted by: bennevis

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/14/13 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Melodialworks Music
Originally Posted By: Vid
The last time I played on both (N1 and NU1 beside each other) I found I liked the action on the NU1 better. I first time however I preferred the N1.


In my experience, the second impression is always the one to trust.

Originally Posted By: Vid

. . . . the N1 action that time felt overly light.


Interesting. I've also read the opposite, that the action of the NU1 seems lighter than the N1.



I've played the N1 and the NU1 side by side a few times now (well, they were, and still are side by side at the showroom....) and there's no question that the NU1's action is lighter, and more like that of an acoustic piano. The N1's action is heavier/more sluggish than that of any acoustic I've ever played - the Yamaha acoustic grands and uprights, including the CFX and CF-IIIS, are upstairs in the same premises, so it's an easy matter for me to check.

The N1 and NU1, I should add, have been there on display for some months (the N1 for slightly longer) but to all intents and purposes, their conditions are as new, unlike the N3 (which felt somewhat looser, having been on display for over 3 years).
Posted by: Susan_B

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/15/13 01:12 PM

I guess I should have played the darn thing (NU1) before making my purchase. The store manager had told me the NU1 definitely has upright action. I was looking for the deep feel of the grand action.
Posted by: Vid

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/15/13 02:04 PM

Since these have real piano actions I think you could have a technician work on them and regulate them to your personal preference. The lightness/heaviness factor should be highly adjustable.

On the other hand are there technicians who specialize in hybrids? (I doubt it!)
Posted by: spanishbuddha

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/15/13 02:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Vid
Since these have real piano actions I think you could have a technician work on them and regulate them to your personal preference. The lightness/heaviness factor should be highly adjustable.

On the other hand are there technicians who specialize in hybrids? (I doubt it!)

I think this has been discussed before. There is a thread where an N1 keyboard had some adjustments done, but not really a regulation. It was done by a certified Yamaha engineer.
Posted by: 36251

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/15/13 03:50 PM

Susan, Don't think about it. The grand action on your N1 is great for your continued inspiration. I don't care what anyone says here, upright action is not as good. I'm sure the same people will argue with me but I've lived with upright action for too many years and I never could sit and be inspired to practice as long as I can do now that I have my AG. I'd had plenty of good pianists come by, and they all love the action.

You made a good decision! stop reading and thinking and enjoy the moments you play.
Posted by: Susan_B

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/15/13 03:55 PM

Thanks, 36251. You are right.
Posted by: Taylorius

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/16/13 12:04 PM

I played the N1 and NU1 side by side when I was deciding what DP to buy. To be honest I didn't find that much difference between their actions. If anything, the NU1 was a little snappier to return, but that could just be because it was a bit newer. NU1 was possibly a bit lighter too, but there wasn't a lot in it.

We went for the NU1 in the end, and I'm glad we did. It looks great in our living room, and the whole family are really happy with it.

Cheers

Matt
Posted by: HwyStar

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/16/13 07:47 PM

New post on Youtube about the NU1 from Cosmo Music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP1CKnDVhYA

Sounds nice.
Posted by: Susan_B

Re: Yamaha NU1 ... just played one - 01/17/13 03:27 PM

HwyStar, Nice video demonstrating the NU1's features. But even this dealer admits it's an upright action. The store manager who sold me my N1 said he was able to offer me a good deal because most people looking for a hybrid piano can't tell the difference between the NU1 and N1 -- that being said, he indicated there is clearly a difference: grand vs. upright action. The NU1 looks very nice, but I'm happy with my choice.