Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have?

Posted by: thercman

Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 12:22 AM

Now that the newest products have been displayed, are you inspired to buy something new? Maybe you want to replace an aging piece of gear with something announced. If so, what was it? Personally I have my eye on the Kawai VPC1...
Posted by: Mark VC

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 12:29 AM

Let's just say I need to start robbing banks and leave it at that.
Posted by: sullivang

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 12:30 AM

Nothing I have to have, but I really like the Casio PX-5S! If I were interested in full weight actions I'd also be interested in the VPC1 but not these days.

At the moment I'd like a simple, compact and lightweight 76-key MIDI controller, A in the bass, with "medium" weight keys like the Casio series or second preference semi-weighted.

Greg.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 12:41 AM

VPC1.
Posted by: pv88

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 12:46 AM

Originally Posted By: thercman
Now that the newest products have been displayed ...


Where is the Physis Piano, since NAMM is now over with?

Or, will it get displayed in a different event, instead?
Posted by: Clayman

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 01:25 AM

*If* it gets displayed at all. Maybe they have somewhat of a working prototype but I'm kinda questioning the "marketability" of such a product.

I'll keep an eye on it though, just out of curiosity.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 01:29 AM

I believe Physis is developed by Viscount (in Italy), so it's perhaps more likely to see this instrument at Frankfurt Musikmesse in April.

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: Dr Popper

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 01:30 AM

Prophet 12 ....
Posted by: Dr Popper

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 01:30 AM

Originally Posted By: pv88
Originally Posted By: thercman
Now that the newest products have been displayed ...


Where is the Physis Piano, since NAMM is now over with?

Or, will it get displayed in a different event, instead?


Vaporware ....
Posted by: pv88

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 01:36 AM

The original expected release was supposed to have been:

Re: Physis Piano

Or, the text, from the above:

I'm told that it will be commercially available this Fall - probably November or December. I'd expect it to arrive in showrooms first in Europe and soon after in the US.

Kind regards,
_________________________
- Gary Girouard
Employed by Kurzweil Music (part of Young Chang North America)
Consultant for Viscount ("Physis" Physical-model piano)
Pianist, Composer, Teacher, Entrepreneur...Parent
Kurzweil Music - it's the sound
http://www.kurzweil.com
Posted by: Hideki Matsui

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 02:43 AM

Kawai VPC and Vintage Vibe Vibanet
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 02:55 AM

Ah, yeah, the Vibanet looked and sounded awesome!

Would love to get one. One of my colleagues here has a Vintage Vibe...as it happens he's also the VPC1 project leader. wink

James
x
Posted by: Dave Ferris

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 03:06 AM

Wasn't "introduced" to it but still "gotta have". Either the Fazioli 278 or 228... 3hearts cool
Posted by: Hideki Matsui

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 03:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Ah, yeah, the Vibanet looked and sounded awesome!

Would love to get one. One of my colleagues here has a Vintage Vibe...as it happens he's also the VPC1 project leader. wink

James
x


Very cool. The Vintage Vibe has been an absolute joy to own. I expect the Vibanet will provide a funkin good time. I'm expecting the VPC to be a big step up form the action of the A88. With the Jupiter as a controlled device, I really don't need any other controllers on the VPC.
Posted by: JFP

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 03:35 AM

Vpc, px5s.

For the rest....mwah; no real relevations.

Hoped for a new kurzweil , but nothing happened. From the Apple front no news either, no Logic X , new Mainstage or anything similar. But we knew they abandoned the pro AV market long ago, so no surprise...

Perhaps next year when tablets had their next power boost well see a lot more professional music software and synths for ios and android. Then you can skip the laptop and gig with your tablet entirely. Nice touch interface , small footprint.
Posted by: sullivang

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 04:27 AM

I'm a computer geek, but it really REALLY warms the cockles of my heart that they are still making real Rhodes and Clavinets! Good times indeed.

Greg.
Posted by: gvfarns

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 08:22 AM

I will very likely buy the VPC1, though I may wait a year or so before I do it (gotta sell my current DP and probably going to move as well).
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 08:24 AM

I'm definitely buying a PX-5S and a CME XKey.

Other than that, there's something appealing about the Roland VR-09, but I don't know if it quite really fills a need for me any better than things I already have, or if it is (more likely) only a different-but-equal tradeoff. What I really would have hoped for is a drawbar organ board from someone with 73+ keys that went down at least to the low E and at least a 2-way split function with sounds that go out separate outputs, and preferably aftertouch. Also some MIDI controller functionality, at least enough so that, when I want the best organ sound, I could trigger VB3 (i.e. the ability to use its drawbars to send CC, and the ability for its presets to send MIDI Program Change). And ideally pitch and mod wheels. The closest thing to that looks to be the new 88-key Hammond SK1, but I can't justify its supposed $3k price tag, especially since it still lacks some of those features. If their 73 was C-to-C instead of F-to-F, that would have tempted me.
Posted by: davinwv

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 08:52 AM

VI Labs True Keys
Nektar Panorama P6
Posted by: Kbeaumont

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 09:57 AM

I'm really looking a getting a VR-09 when it comes out and probably the PX-5S later this year.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 10:27 AM

I think I'm with anotherscott on this one. If the PX-5s has APs and EPs that are really musical, and a decent action, it would mean I don't have to spend $3k on a Nord, and would (once again) have a very lightweight gigging board that is physically compact. The VR-09 is interesting as a lightweight second-tier board that should have better organs than the XW-P1 (meaning I don't have to use a PC with VB3), but I haven't really heard a demo that shows off the basic sounds rather than all the frills.

The VPC looks great, but I still don't like using piano VSTs in outboard gear, with all the tinkering that has to be done.

Studiologic announced something (sort of) that could be interesting - the Numa Concert, with wooden keys and 1GB nine-layer piano samples that weighs 45lbs.

Wish I could justify a Vintage Vibe product.
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 10:45 AM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
The VR-09 is interesting as a lightweight second-tier board that should have better organs than the XW-P1 (meaning I don't have to use a PC with VB3), but I haven't really heard a demo that shows off the basic sounds rather than all the frills.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9k-NBb_a5k but skip past the first 90 seconds. Organs are at about 9 minutes. Yes, that should beat the XW. More sounds at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuV3CcioIIU I suspect that its rompler sounds will generally beat the XW, though maybe not the PX-5S.
Posted by: JFP

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 03:58 PM

I forgot the King Korg, which seems interesting but as always no aftertouch ; why the ...not ?!

Prophet is nice too ;-)
Posted by: o0Ampy0o

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 04:34 PM

Originally Posted By: anotherscott
I'm definitely buying a PX-5S and a CME XKey.

Scott,

Do you have an iPad?

Or will you draw upon the internal sound of the PX5S for the XKey?

Will this pretty much be your road gear aside from some sort of amplification?
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 04:46 PM

Originally Posted By: o0Ampy0o
Originally Posted By: anotherscott
I'm definitely buying a PX-5S and a CME XKey.

Scott,

Do you have an iPad?

Or will you draw upon the internal sound of the PX5S for the XKey?

Will this pretty much be your road gear aside from some sort of amplification?

I do have an iPad. I'm not sure what I'll do with the Xkey yet, I don't know whether I'll gig with it. But it just looks too cool not to have. ;-)

As for my gig rig, I have a bunch of stuff and switch things around, always looking for the closest-to-perfect setup (which also sometimes varies with the nature of the particular gig). I expect that the PX5S will be my go-to weighted 88. I'm not sure what my top board will usually be (and that may also vary with whether or not I bring a rack on some gigs). Every board is a compromise.
Posted by: Nigeth

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 06:37 PM

Not really.

Companies are still mostly stuck in the 90's if technology is concerned.

No leap forward in computer or tablet integration, we're still stuck with MIDI and < 128Mb sample sets with < 10 velocity layer and looping.

Still a lot of weird market segmentation going on where most devices seem like they somehow miss the mark on at least one essential feature. Also often quantity over quality.

If the pX-5S (a pretty decent instrument) is the biggest sensation of the NAMM then the whole sector is in a pretty sorry state indeed.
Posted by: pv88

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 06:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Nigeth
Companies are still mostly stuck in the 90's if technology is concerned.

Also often quantity over quality.

If the pX-5S (a pretty decent instrument) is the biggest sensation of the NAMM then the whole sector is in a pretty sorry state indeed.


Yeah, this means that companies like Casio (for example) only care about raking in f*****g greenbacks into their big deep pockets, as it's all about sales. Looks like profit surpasses quality every time.
Posted by: mrcpro

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 07:55 PM

Definitely gotta have the PX-5s. It's really a rather unique combination of features - especially for this price range.

Casio didn't play it safe, and just do something like a cheap knock-off of a Nord or simply update the PX-3. I think they went out on a limb on this one, and from the sound of the demos ended up knocking the ball out of the park.
Posted by: rnaple

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 08:13 PM

NAMM 2013 introduced nothing I just gotta have.
Besides... They already came out with the Justin Bieber singing toothbrush. smile

Toothbrush
Posted by: ClsscLib

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 08:44 PM

Originally Posted By: pv88
Originally Posted By: Nigeth
Companies are still mostly stuck in the 90's if technology is concerned.

Also often quantity over quality.

If the pX-5S (a pretty decent instrument) is the biggest sensation of the NAMM then the whole sector is in a pretty sorry state indeed.


Yeah, this means that companies like Casio (for example) only care about raking in f*****g greenbacks into their big deep pockets, as it's all about sales. Looks like profit surpasses quality every time.


When did Casio become a charity? I missed the announcement...
Posted by: pv88

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/29/13 08:56 PM

Originally Posted By: ClsscLib
Originally Posted By: pv88
Originally Posted By: Nigeth
Companies are still mostly stuck in the 90's if technology is concerned.

Also often quantity over quality.

If the pX-5S (a pretty decent instrument) is the biggest sensation of the NAMM then the whole sector is in a pretty sorry state indeed.


Yeah, this means that companies like Casio (for example) only care about raking in f*****g greenbacks into their big deep pockets, as it's all about sales. Looks like profit surpasses quality every time.


When did Casio become a charity? I missed the announcement...


+1

Amen!
Posted by: Nigeth

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 01/30/13 05:24 AM

Hey I never faulted Casio for their business sense.

The PX-5S is a leap forward, it may not be technologically groundbreaking but it's definitely priced competitively.

This puts a lot of functionality into the hands of people who'd previously have to buy boards twice or three times the price.

It's just that if the PX-5S is such an unusual product with regards to price and features compared to the competition that it generates this much buzz and if its pretty much the only new board that somewhat shakes things up a little bit then it's a little sad.

This might sound like I want to belittle Casio for their success but you have to agree that its a pretty low hanging fruit when all your competition does is to rehash ancient technology.

It's not even that the competition wouldn't be able to do it (some may be not but in the majority they are quite capable) it's just that they are afraid that a great board would cannibalize their own high end sales.

This leads to all kinds of weird attempts of market segmentation that somehow cause most of their offerings to fall short in at least one critical area.

Want the best gigging board? Good look getting the best action or best samples.

Want the best action and one great set of samples? There's a $8000 cabinet style digital piano for that but good luck doing any DAW work with it, also it weighs a ton.

So probably the two most interesting devices are:

The PX-5S which single-handedly set a baseline price and standard for gigging keyboards that competitors either have to match on price and features or have to add features if they want to go 'over'. Which is great because that means that the competition won't be able to charge you twice or thrice that for less features.

ThHis will be a problem for Yamaha, Nord, Kawai etc. if it really is as great as it sounds. The PX-3 already showed that it can sell like hotcakes I'd expect the PX5-S to do even better.

The Kawai VPC which acknowledges the fact that manufacturers won't be able or willing to match the quality of commercial sample sets or DAWs in their boards and basically offers you one of the best piano actions on the market for a reasonable price but without built-in sounds you probably won't use anyway.

So for best in class stage and gigging features I now have the PX5-S at $1299. You'd have to get a Yamaha C90 or CP5 at nearly twice that to find a competing product that at least matches the featiure set of the PX5.

For 'best in class' piano experience I could now buy the VPC plus a small netbook and still only match the price of an MP10 and be well below any product that matches the VPC on the quality of the action.

That's great and all but it shows just how content and 'lazy' most other companies have become if all it took is taking mature technology and 'just' price it competitively (I'm using hyperbole not taking anything away from the work they put into it)
Posted by: Deltron

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/06/13 06:11 PM

Anyone know what the px5s is gonna run for? and when will it be in stores?
Posted by: PianoZac

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/06/13 07:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Wasn't "introduced" to it but still "gotta have". Either the Fazioli 278 or 228... 3hearts cool


+1! Ain't nothing like the real thing. smile Then the Kawai VPC1. cool
Posted by: Dave Ferris

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/06/13 08:23 PM

Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have?

Not in the least bit..

As I walked to the car, I felt pretty much reassured there's nothing better for me in the current electronic keyboard area then what I already have, based on what I saw and played wink

Originally Posted By: PianoZac
Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Wasn't "introduced" to it but still "gotta have". Either the Fazioli 278 or 228... 3hearts cool


+1! Ain't nothing like the real thing. smile Then the Kawai VPC1. cool


Yeah, I've been salivating over those Faziolis for years... cool
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/06/13 08:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Deltron
Anyone know what the px5s is gonna run for?

$1k
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/06/13 08:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Deltron
when will it be in stores?


April
Posted by: Possum SP280Krome

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/06/13 08:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Originally Posted By: Deltron
when will it be in stores?


April


For home use, what would you recommend for audio. Would 5" monitors be good, or would you say a keyboard amp or something with a lot of bass?
Posted by: thercman

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/06/13 08:47 PM

Nigeth,

I see many of your points regarding the other manufactures not stepping up their game. Since I was just in the market for a stage piano I also feel your frustration, you either get good keys and crappy sounds or vise versa. It is bad business for sure. However from what I have listened to thus far from that Casio, the sounds are well, still Casio. They just don't seem organic to me. Of course I probably don't have the best ear, but they still need work IMO. With that said, it has a lot of features and will fill a niche probably geared more toward a beginner player. This is just my impression of it so far...
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/06/13 08:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Possum PX130
Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Originally Posted By: Deltron
when will it be in stores?


April


For home use, what would you recommend for audio. Would 5" monitors be good, or would you say a keyboard amp or something with a lot of bass?


I would recommend a set of studio monitors. If size or cost is a concern many of the companies that sell 5" studio monitors also sell sub-woofers which you could add a later date. Otherwise I'd say save and get a set of 8" studio monitors. wink
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/06/13 08:57 PM

Originally Posted By: thercman
However from what I have listened to thus far from that Casio, the sounds are well, still Casio. They just don't seem organic to me. Of course I probably don't have the best ear, but they still need work IMO. With that said, it has a lot of features and will fill a niche probably geared more toward a beginner player. This is just my impression of it so far...


I'm surprised to hear you say that because it sounds nothing like any previous product from Casio. I'll gladly put the new vintage sounds next to anything any of the competitors have to offer...and that is just one aspect of the PX-5S. I expect your impression will change when you play it.
Posted by: thercman

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/06/13 08:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Originally Posted By: Possum PX130
Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Originally Posted By: Deltron
when will it be in stores?


April


For home use, what would you recommend for audio. Would 5" monitors be good, or would you say a keyboard amp or something with a lot of bass?


I would recommend a set of studio monitors. If size or cost is a concern many of the companies that sell 5" studio monitors also sell sub-woofers which you could add a later date. Otherwise I'd say save and get a set of 8" studio monitors. wink


+1 on the 8" monitors.
Posted by: Peter B

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/07/13 12:03 AM

Kawai VPC1 - already ordered.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/07/13 12:25 AM

It may not be to your liking, but the PX-5S breaks new ground for Casio. Perhaps, Casio's sounds are not for everybody, but I don't think there is a keyboard out there that is considered perfect. They all have their hits and misses, regardless of the price they sell for. But make no mistake, Casio is going to sell a ton of PX-5S's and will no doubt rack up another key buy award for this board, and there seem to be plenty of pro players eager to try or buy this board.
Posted by: Dave Ferris

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/07/13 01:13 AM

I meant in no way to slight Casio, Mike Martin and the new PX5. I simply did not get a chance to play it as the few times I did pass by the booth there was a demo with a band in progress. When I finally noticed the crowd had cleared out, I got word my ride was leaving.

I'm sure it will be right there with everything else at a very favorable price. Kudos to these guys for being able to offer this kind of sonic quality and versatility at that price point.
Posted by: Nomadness

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/07/13 01:33 AM

After months of research, patiently waiting for NAMM, and following the discussions that emerged from that... it looks like I'll be jumping on the PX-5S bandwagon. It hits the sweet spot for the sailboat rig (including not being insanely expensive... water corrodes; salt water corrodes absolutely).

It's a fine line at my decidedly non-professional level: I can't really justify the high-end stuff, but low-end stuff does not encourage time at the keyboard. I went to GC enroute back from the Seattle Boat Show, and was surprised at how many boards didn't feel very good (not just key action, but overall aesthetics). Once I got them to turn down the thin distorted rock blaring from bad in-ceiling speakers in the piano display room (!!!), I could even hear some of the sounds...

Ahem. Anyway, I think the new Casio offering will be delightful, judging by the feel of the PX-350 and all I've been reading, and there are computers a few inches away if I ever want to add more hardcore piano voices.

Cheers,
Steve
Posted by: o0Ampy0o

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/07/13 02:43 AM

PX5S.......me too.
Posted by: Tyruke

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/07/13 02:50 AM

This instrument looked insanely cool, though it's not a digital.

Posted by: Deltron

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/07/13 01:45 PM

.
Posted by: Deltron

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/07/13 01:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Originally Posted By: Deltron
when will it be in stores?


April


Does this apply to Europe as well?
Posted by: thercman

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/07/13 01:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Originally Posted By: thercman
However from what I have listened to thus far from that Casio, the sounds are well, still Casio. They just don't seem organic to me. Of course I probably don't have the best ear, but they still need work IMO. With that said, it has a lot of features and will fill a niche probably geared more toward a beginner player. This is just my impression of it so far...


I'm surprised to hear you say that because it sounds nothing like any previous product from Casio. I'll gladly put the new vintage sounds next to anything any of the competitors have to offer...and that is just one aspect of the PX-5S. I expect your impression will change when you play it.


Hey Mike! Yes, that could very well be the case. I look forward to hearing some recordings by people that pick it up....
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/07/13 02:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Deltron
Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Originally Posted By: Deltron
when will it be in stores?


April


Does this apply to Europe as well?


I think so, but it may be the end if the month (after Musik Messe)
Posted by: PianoZac

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/07/13 02:20 PM

Yeah I say kudos to Casio. It impresses the heck out of me that they are able to put as good of an action as they have in such a lightweight package. The actions in the new PX series is certainly a step up from the action in my Nord Piano. I think one of the best parts to owning a Nord and why I'm so loyal to their products is the design approach, the quality of sounds, the updated free sound libraries, the quality accessories, and top notch customer service. I'm surprised brands like Korg, Casio, Kurzweil, etc don't offer similar sound libraries. This alone is worth paying the premium for Nord's products.
Posted by: dewster

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/07/13 02:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Tyruke
This instrument looked insanely cool, though it's not a digital.

Wow! Kind of a motorized hurdy-gurdy.
Posted by: Vampire Killer

Re: Did NAMM 2013 introduce something you gotta have? - 02/08/13 09:09 AM

How about PX-5S in China? If yes, will defintely collect one when released. I emailed Casio EMI in Shanghai but they don't know about plans bout this. It took PX-3S four more months to be available in China than the rest of the world.