Small framed console DPs

Are they the future?

... like all console DP's. Your paying a lot of money for some crappy fake wood cabinet and $20 speakers.

...and yet there is a successful market for 'furniture' style DP's. Do you also classify these as consoles? Many people don't want an ugly slab, on an equally ugly stand, with equally ugly speakers in the living room. I know there are aesthetic exceptions, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but try convincing the (female) 'homemaker'.

...and yet there is a successful market for 'furniture' style DP's. Do you also classify these as consoles? Many people don't want an ugly slab, on an equally ugly stand, with equally ugly speakers in the living room. I know there are aesthetic exceptions, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but try convincing the (female) 'homemaker'.

... console DP's (ie: Furniture style as you call them) are a complete rip off. you pay thousands extra for fake stuff and terrible speakers.
I don't find keyboards ugly, or speakers ugly in fact some of the most beautiful things in the world to me are keyboards and I wouldn't marry anyone who did find them ugly.

Are mid-range console speakers that bad? Ex - speakers on Roland HP 503/505, Yamaha CLP 440/470, Kawai CN34/CN43 etc..

Well, kinda like a piano I guess;)

The biggest difference I notice over playing with headphones on is the ambience that the cabinet brings to the sound. Listening with headphones on is akin to placing your head in the body of the piano a few inches above the strings. That is where the sound was recorded from but that is not the sound that we expect to hear when seated at the instrument. What we hear when playing a grand piano is significantly more complex than that. In my opinion to get a digital piano to sound more like a piano we really need to have either a second sample set that is recorded at the piano bench, model that location, or have a piano cabinet added to it;) In times past I never really noticed the change in a piano's sound when I moved the music rest forward two inches, but I sure notice it now. The difference between having the lid closed and on the first stick open is striking. I find myself opening and closing the lid not so much to tame the volume of the sound but rather to suit the mood that I feel when playing. I had no idea that I was going to get this when the project started. I am still modifying the equalization of the setup and probably will be for a few weeks yet. I find that the tonality of the sound changes so much as the different variables change. With the lid down the sound comes from the cabinet itself but more from bouncing off the floor. Flip over the top lid and the sound is now coming up from the top more. Seeing as how I can change the volume so easily it basically comes down to how I want the piano to sound when in that configuration. So before I do a youtube video I want to play with the eq a bit more until I am convinced that I have the sound I want. I don't know if I answered your question but I hope I made sense.

But according to this thread, Simple things like music stand can make difference in the sound.
So I believe console pianos will have their own ambiance compared to exact slab


http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...tml#Post1759612


Well, kinda like a piano I guess;)

The biggest difference I notice over playing with headphones on is the ambience that the cabinet brings to the sound. Listening with headphones on is akin to placing your head in the body of the piano a few inches above the strings. That is where the sound was recorded from but that is not the sound that we expect to hear when seated at the instrument. What we hear when playing a grand piano is significantly more complex than that. In my opinion to get a digital piano to sound more like a piano we really need to have either a second sample set that is recorded at the piano bench, model that location, or have a piano cabinet added to it;) In times past I never really noticed the change in a piano's sound when I moved the music rest forward two inches, but I sure notice it now. The difference between having the lid closed and on the first stick open is striking. I find myself opening and closing the lid not so much to tame the volume of the sound but rather to suit the mood that I feel when playing. I had no idea that I was going to get this when the project started. I am still modifying the equalization of the setup and probably will be for a few weeks yet. I find that the tonality of the sound changes so much as the different variables change. With the lid down the sound comes from the cabinet itself but more from bouncing off the floor. Flip over the top lid and the sound is now coming up from the top more. Seeing as how I can change the volume so easily it basically comes down to how I want the piano to sound when in that configuration. So before I do a youtube video I want to play with the eq a bit more until I am convinced that I have the sound I want. I don't know if I answered your question but I hope I made sense.

Examples: the YDP 161 (good quality budget console DP from yamaha 20+20w) €931
Yamaha P155 (slab type - no legs or 'wood' casing 12+12w) €1140

The two yamahas are virtually the same DP in different boxes - the 'furniture' console type €209 CHEAPER.

Roland FP7-f (slab with speakers but no legs & only one pedal,I think) c.€1850
Roland HP302 (solid black console) €1350

The HP-302 is a two generations old PHA II board...

Roland skipped a generation with the naming (HP-30x-->HP-50x), so it's effectively one generation old.

James
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Compare the price of the FP-7F with the HP-505 to get a real apples for apples comparison on price.