I have a Casio PX-5S GAS

Posted by: CyberGene

I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/19/13 01:32 PM

I gigged with my MP6 last Sunday. I have a good soft case with wheels. My car is big enough to fit it easily. I have been going to а gym regularly for an year. Yet I hated the experience of moving the MP6!

Nord Electro 4 HP could be a solution but is so expensive and cannot layer and split (to my knowledge).

And here comes the Casio PX-5S! Full 88 keyboard with great sounds, layers, splits, effects, etc in a 11kg package. And for $999. Could this be the holy grail of gigging pianos? I have a GAS laugh
Posted by: maurus

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/19/13 03:50 PM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
Could this be the holy grail of gigging pianos?

I strongly doubt that laugh
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/19/13 03:56 PM

Well, let's call it the *budget* holy grail then laugh
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/19/13 04:38 PM

Other possibilities at substantially less weight than the MP6 (still with plenty of layer, split, and fx capabilities) would be the Yamaha MOX8 and Korg Krome 88. But Casio will have the advantages of lower price, lighter weight, and less depth for better ergonomics when you want to stack a second board above it. We'll see about the sounds...
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/19/13 04:59 PM

Originally Posted By: maurus

I strongly doubt that laugh


I'm curious, what specifically do you doubt?
Posted by: maurus

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/19/13 05:08 PM

... that the holy grail can be had for 999 bucks. laugh
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/19/13 05:13 PM

p.s. -- forgot what may be, for many, potentially the biggest advantage the PX-5S will have over those other possibilities... a really nice action.
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/19/13 05:18 PM

Originally Posted By: maurus
... that the holy grail can be had for 999 bucks. laugh


It may be preordered from KraftMUSIC for $999 and that even includes a bundle with headphones, USB drive, etc or soft case:

Casio Privia-Pro PX-5S on KraftMUSIC
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/19/13 05:22 PM

Originally Posted By: anotherscott
We'll see about the sounds...


We'll see about the looks...

(Sorry couldn't help myself).

I think the px5 is , apart from the looks, almost perfect. If they would have added aftertouch at perhaps a little extra cost, I think it would have hit the bulls eye for even many more people. Still it's a long wait for April to finally see/ hear the finished product.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/19/13 05:31 PM

The looks?

The feedback from the show was overwhelmingly positive.











Posted by: CyberGene

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/19/13 05:43 PM

I must admit I was initially disappointed by its looks but it kind of grows on me and I like it now, at least on the pictures. It might have something to do with a certain childhood memory I have about the first electronic keyboard I've ever played as a kid and that was a white Casio synth my cousin got as a present. I was so deeply impressed by all the sounds and effects that I may have developed a subconscious association between white color and good feeling laugh
Posted by: Nomadness

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/19/13 11:29 PM

AUGH! Now Kraft is saying April 30. I've chosen this for my boat studio... GAS here too, and the only thing that eases the agony of waiting is the sense that goodies are still being added...
Posted by: adak

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/19/13 11:35 PM

What do you guys mean by "GAS"?
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/19/13 11:36 PM

It is a bit too early for Kraft to be saying specifically when in April. I do believe it will be early in the month.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/19/13 11:37 PM

G.A.S = Gear Acquisition Syndrome
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/19/13 11:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Nomadness
the only thing that eases the agony of waiting is the sense that goodies are still being added...



The software has change significantly since the NAMM show. We'll be working on updating all the specs and features on the web and then shooting videos in the coming weeks. Details coming asap.
Posted by: Nomadness

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/20/13 12:04 AM

thumb
Posted by: o0Ampy0o

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/20/13 01:49 AM

Quote:
...looks...

If you are planning to use one on stage it looks much better than black under stage lighting. This in addition to what AnotherScott has mentioned about legibility of controls under stage lighting. It catches all of the drama of theatrical lighting. Here it reflects the colors of a sunset.

Posted by: Dave Ferris

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/20/13 02:49 AM

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Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/20/13 03:33 AM

We'll apart from the "looks" thingie , the Casio Px is certainly on my list. Looks promising , can't wait for the added specs where all the additions and improvements are listed, that we're developed since NAMM.

Last time about the looks; I fully understand the visibility/ readability reasons for choosing a non black approach. However what makes it most odd to me is the black box approach on the right side. It sort of abruptly breaks the design flow of the instrument. If that could have been the same white as the rest , or another creative color scheme solution, that would do a lot already. But I'll put it to rest.
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/20/13 04:34 AM

Dave, you're right about the 88 keys. We, piano players, always need the *full* range wink BTW, I am so happy with the MP6 as a touch and sound, and I even discovered a totally new area for me with few of the analog style synth sounds that worked extremely well on the Herbie's Chameleon - such a fun! If it wasn't the weight, it would have been such a great gigging machine! But the topic is about the Casio, so let's wait and see if it's going to set a new standard for a portable lightweight 88-key stage piano.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/20/13 09:30 AM

Originally Posted By: o0Ampy0o

If you are planning to use one on stage it looks much better than black under stage lighting. This in addition to what AnotherScott has mentioned about legibility of controls under stage lighting. It catches all of the drama of theatrical lighting. Here it reflects the colors of a sunset.


That picture was taken in my kitchen. wink
There wasn't much light...except the sun which was setting. cool (and one overhead light)
Posted by: dewster

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/20/13 12:20 PM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
Could this be the holy grail of gigging pianos?

If this was the holy grail you'd be able to play your choice of many fully sampled APs, EPs, etc. residing on the USB drive. When will we get that?
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/20/13 12:46 PM

You don't need full sampling on a gigging board. You need that for a solo piano recording but on stage there are different rules. For example Roland SN pianos are known to be excellent for solo piano recordings and weak on a stage with many other instruments, failing to cut through the mix, etc. Being able to load samples is great but not necessary for a gigging piano.
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/20/13 02:46 PM

+1
Posted by: dewster

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/20/13 04:00 PM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
You don't need full sampling on a gigging board.

Weren't we talking holy grail? Nords have uploadable voices and are primarily gigging boards.
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/20/13 04:06 PM



Quick edit - just to get rid of the black box :-) It's not art or perfect in my limited time, but with some creativity , you could redesign the rest.
Posted by: Deltron

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/20/13 06:32 PM

I tried contacting Casio, but no luck yet.

Do any of you know if the PX-5S is gonna be available in Norway? Mike?
And will it come with a damper pedal included?

I'm considering it for home playing mostly, but also for band purposes.


Really getting sick of waiting to buy a new DP though frown
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/20/13 06:35 PM

I don't know the details of all the distribution world-wide, I'll see if I can get any info from my colleagues at Casio Europe.
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/20/13 06:53 PM

Originally Posted By: dewster
Originally Posted By: CyberGene
You don't need full sampling on a gigging board.

Weren't we talking holy grail? Nords have uploadable voices and are primarily gigging boards.


Well, everybody has his own personal view of what is a holy grail. I'd agree that the more, the better. (With a minus sign for weight and price of course :D) However as of now there is no board to offer all of it.

In my personal view:
Nord Piano is probably OK, however it is almost twice as heavy and 2.5 times as expensive as PX-5S, offers only simple split and layer versus multiple zones and it was only the latest piano to offer delay for example, not to mention more sophisticated effects and chains, keyboard is another story.

Nord Electro is lightweight, however it is not multitimbral (doesn't offer split and layer), is not full size keyboard, etc.

I can say similar things for Kawais, Rolands, Yamahas, Korgs, Kurzweils, etc.

So, in this world of *not so perfect* gigging boards, the Casio seems like the best compromise of price, weight, size, keyboard feel, sounds, features, effects, etc. which in a way makes it a holy grail to me. Yeah, if there was a possibility to upload sounds like in a Nord, it would certainly be even better but who knows if the price could have been the same...
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/21/13 11:16 AM

Originally Posted By: dewster
If this was the holy grail you'd be able to play your choice of many fully sampled APs, EPs, etc. residing on the USB drive. When will we get that?

Wm. Busch has brought his software libraries into his Kronos. Maybe that's as close as we come to the holy grail today! Check from msg# 2436630 on at http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2437902/3 and the page that follows. Also http://thekronosblog.blogspot.com/2012_12_01_archive.html
Posted by: Daniel Marsalone

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/21/13 05:23 PM

I'm looking at this thing really hard too. I had some Privia about 5 years ago that was nice and ended up moving on to a Kawai MP5 for the control and splits, etc. The 45 pound weight is a pain to lug around with the MP5 and the piano sounds are about equal.

Now with the PX5s being several generations more advanced than my old Privia it must beat down the Kawai MP5 in piano sound and now it has all the other sounds and split capabilities at like 20 pounds. I do like the MP5 action a lot but the old Privia was pretty close.

I like the black and white look, I just wish that they had an option for a music rest. Other than that this thing looks to be just what the doctor ordered.
Posted by: fizikisto

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/21/13 06:17 PM

"I like the black and white look, I just wish that they had an option for a music rest."

This! very much this. I keep hoping that the final design will include one, but I'm not sure it will. I'm flabbergasted that some DP manufacturers don't offer one. I understand that it's a stage piano, but I really don't understand why there's not even an option to get a music rest. It's not like it's rocket science to add one to the design.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 04:27 PM

If you're creative, you can probably figure out something for a music rest. The plastic ones that come with some stage pianos are flimsy. OK for sheet music, but forget about a big heavy fake book. I think a lot of people have gone to an iPad and iRealb.
Posted by: fizikisto

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 05:19 PM

galaxy4t, yes, I can come up with some kludge to hold my sheets and fake books. Why should I? That's just stupid design, forcing your customer to come up with inelegant and inconvenient solutions to a problem that you could EASILY solve without any real increase in cost to your product. I mean seriously, drill a couple of holes and sell sheet music rest as an optional extra for a reasonable price. I would be *VERY* interested in buying a PX5s, but the lack of a sheet music rest is a dealbreaker for me. Maybe I'm the only person on the planet that feels that that way, and that's o.k, there are lots of other people who will buy this board. I just think it's silly for casio not to do it, because maybe there are a lot of potential sales that won't be made for its lack.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 06:25 PM



Problem solved.
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 06:35 PM

I have one of those. Used it with the RD-700SX. Not bad at all, with the main disadvantage being that it added another 1kg to the already unbearable weight of the piano and it could easily roll over if handled roughly.

Indeed, I can't really understand what's so wrong about providing the most basic, plastic detachable note rest which will add $0.50 to the final value.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 06:44 PM

Did the previous/current PX-3 include a music rest?

James
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Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 06:54 PM

Yes, it had one. I'm sure if you searched you'd find just as many people complaining that they don't like the music rest we had on the PX-3.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 07:01 PM

Right, you can't please everyone...

James
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Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 07:08 PM

The reality is that as the "synth" side of the PX-5S really started to develop, there was a lot of discussion as to whether or not the PX-5S would be a Privia or something entirely different. The 2-tone black / white look is actually borrowed right from our XW series synths. Needless to say there are many 88 note synth / piano type objects that don't have them. As mentioned in another thread, there are so many elements in the sound engine that I'm much happier that we were able to get put in rather than something that doesn't have anything to do with the sound of the product like a music rest.
Posted by: funkycornwall

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 07:43 PM

I think the PX-5S looks like a really exciting new keyboard. However I also think they made a mistake in not including a music rest. The PX-3 just fitted into a simple groove in the top of the unit and whilst it was not the greatest design ever it served a basic need. Many people will purchase the new Casio as a gigging keyboard often as a piano rather than a synth and these users are likely to prefer the inclusion of a music rest.

Of course as James illustrates you could just put up a separate music stand behind the keyboard but maybe manufacturers are thinking that no one reads sheet music anymore.

I think Casio made an error here as it is so simple to include a basic music stand and please many potential customers.

Let's support music reading - all 88-note keyboards should have a music rest.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 08:29 PM

Like so many others, I'm very interested in this board - particularly as a replacement for my FP-4. Unfortunately, the lack of a music rest makes it somewhat less appealing for those times when I need to read music. I have one of those folding stands pictured in James's post above; I wouldn't trust a large music pad or book on one of those in a performance situation. Carrying a heavy-duty stand just makes it more of a hassle. Result? I'm returning to the Nord Piano for the time being. But the PX-5S remains high on my list of possible future band instruments. It seems that Casio is really trying to create a remarkable new flagship out of the PX-5S, and I sincerely hope it's a runaway success.
Posted by: Dave Ferris

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 08:48 PM

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Posted by: Dave Ferris

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 08:55 PM

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Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 08:57 PM

I'm sure there are far more robust music stands available - that one sells for just 12.00 GBP on Amazon.

The point I wished to make was that the lack of music rest shouldn't be considered a 'deal breaker' when there are plenty of other solutions available.

Cheers,
James
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Posted by: Dave Ferris

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 09:14 PM

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Posted by: fizikisto

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 09:25 PM

James,
You're correct, but for me the plenty of other solutions which are available include the many different rigs that include a sheet music rest. I'm not saying that with malice, I want Casio to have a huge runaway success with this board (and I really think it will be). Of course I'm aware that free standing sheet music rests exist, but they inconvenient for all the reasons others have stated. And for me, there's one more. I'm interested in getting a new keyboard for my office, but I have very limited space. Having one of those beasts behind my keyboard would probably make it too cramped for me, but it would definitely spoil one of the great advantages of the PX5s (the narrow front to back width of the board). And aesthetically the stand is just an eyesore. So yes, for me it's probably going to be a deal breaker. I think it's a shame because I'd almost definitely get one otherwise; it looks like it will be a heck of a lot of fun to play with.

Warm regards,
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 09:27 PM

So many players are putting PDFs of their music on iPads now... and there are plenty of iPad stands of every imaginable type, I'm sure there is something that would fit nicely on the Casio. I use a Satechi R1, which manages to fit on just about anything. Very stable (you could add velcro if need be), folds small and flat.
Posted by: adak

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 09:43 PM

Originally Posted By: anotherscott
So many players are putting PDFs of their music on iPads now... and there are plenty of iPad stands of every imaginable type, I'm sure there is something that would fit nicely on the Casio. I use a Satechi R1, which manages to fit on just about anything. Very stable (you could add velcro if need be), folds small and flat.


I find the ipad's 10? inch screen too small for sheet music, the notes must be tiny. I just measured a sheet of paper and it is 14 inches diagonal. How do people even manage reading sheet music on a small screen such as an ipad?
Posted by: fizikisto

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/22/13 09:51 PM

adak,
It's actually a usable solution for some people. You don't have to show the entire score at once, just two or three lines with the ipad in landscape orientation can be quite readable. It also has an advantage that you can get a bluetooth foot switch to signal page turns.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 11:53 AM

We just added a 10 electric piano demos to our soundcloud page -

https://soundcloud.com/casiomusicgear/
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 12:15 PM

Mike,
What are the synth patches like? Is it the hex layer or other patches? How many sounds in the 5S?
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 12:19 PM

There are few on the page right now but we'll be adding more. To show off some of the synth stuff combined with the arpeggiators:

https://soundcloud.com/casiomusicgear/px-5s-p-xperience

https://soundcloud.com/casiomusicgear/privia-px-5s-arpeggiation-and

Piano layered with big HexLayer:
https://soundcloud.com/casiomusicgear/privia-pro-px-5s-intro

I think total number of preset tones is 370. Of that we made 100 Stage Settings - which have complete knob/slider assignments.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 12:24 PM

Mike,
EP patches sound very nice. Pity none of these are in the current PX-X50 series. Maybe in another 3 years?
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 12:33 PM

Difficult to say without playing and gauging the response, but those EPs sound like they may be as good as in any sample-based DP currently available - regardless of cost. Great job, Mike and Casio!
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 12:35 PM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
Difficult to say without playing and gauging the response, but those EPs sound like they may be as good as in any sample-based DP currently available - regardless of cost. Great job, Mike and Casio!


I have no problem putting them against any DP current available regardless of price or color. Keep in mind we're just showing a small taste of what this can do, the variety that the engine is capable of is quite remarkable.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 12:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
regardless of price or color.

Someone is going to have pull their finger out of those Swedish meatballs and get cracking on some new samples...
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 12:46 PM

Agree, they do sound fantastic and competitive with higher priced boards. Hex layer sound samples sound very smooth. The sound is quite amazing to my ears.
Posted by: KLSinCT

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 01:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
We just added a 10 electric piano demos to our soundcloud page -

https://soundcloud.com/casiomusicgear/



Even though I'm primarily a classical player who occasionally dabbles in film music, I'm quite tempted to buy one of these PX-5S machines when they hit the stores for use as a traveling practise instrument because they offer such excellent value for the money, especially given that my FP-7F is way too heavy to lug around. Will this model have a dedicated furniture stand and a three-pedal unit like the PX-150/350?

K.
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
We just added a 10 electric piano demos to our soundcloud page


Wow! All they sound great. If the price is really $999, it would be a must have digital piano thumb I'm having even more GAS now laugh

I have few questions though. There's something I loved on RD-700SX and I miss on MP6. Is it possible to apply two effects on a sound, say tremolo and a delay, for instance? Also, is there a compressor which can be added on top of that, regardless of the two effects?
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 02:21 PM

4 insert effects plus master FX (reverb, chorus etc.). So, yes.
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 02:28 PM

OK, but is it possible to apply multiple effects over a single sound (zone)? On MP6 it's also possible to apply different effect on different zones, however it's not possible to apply two effects per zone, hence it's not possible to apply both tremolo and delay which I love on a Rhodes. As a workaround it's possible to use the same sound for two zones and apply affects separately but the result is not good since the effects are applied in parallel and not in a chain.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 02:32 PM

As far as I'm aware, it's possible to have multiple effects on a single sound (chaining the insert FX), but Mike will have to confirm.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 02:36 PM

The inserts are 1 per zone. There are 4 zones.

There are three system effects Reverb, chorus and delay. So you can have an insert of tremolo and still have access to chorus, delay and reverb.

There are also EQ and Compression as master effects.

So tremolo plus delay and compression is possible.
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 02:39 PM

OK, that perfectly works for me. Thank you! smile
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 02:46 PM

So where does the Amp simulator effect sit ? Is that an insert effect, meaning you can't have amp effect and tremolo simultaneously ? Or is it the effect you named as 'compression' master effect ? That would leave the insert effect slot still free for other algorithms.

Wondered if you can have tremolo , or phaser AND amp effect on an EP sound.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 03:00 PM

You can do a basic tremolo using an LFO without using an effect. That stereo panning Tremolo is an effect. There is an interesting trick to get an insert such as amp simulator and add stereo tremolo using the Arpeggiator as a panning modulator.
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 03:15 PM

...so the amp simulator is an insert effect (taking in the insert effect slot ) ?

+ Good that you can simulate the required effects with other means by the way.

Q: Are there any more sound demo's to find of the naked AP preset(s) ?

Getting more excited about this board. But the only current AP sound I can find is the one with PAD sound and HEX layers attached.
Posted by: adak

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 03:33 PM

Hopefully this new stage piano won't be too hyped up before its release, else it might disappoint people who had way too high expectations in the first place.
Posted by: ando

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 08:24 PM

Originally Posted By: adak
Hopefully this new stage piano won't be too hyped up before its release, else it might disappoint people who had way too high expectations in the first place.


Yes, and perhaps people are getting a little greedy! People are expecting this $999 Casio to do things that keyboards twice the price can't do either. At this price, I think you have to be willing to compromise on a few things. The only gripe I have about it is the terrible/tiny LCD screen - they could have done better there.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 09:25 PM

Originally Posted By: ando
People are expecting this $999 Casio to do things that keyboards twice the price can't do either... The only gripe I have about it is the terrible/tiny LCD screen - they could have done better there.

Ever seen a Nord, ando? wink
Posted by: ando

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/23/13 09:33 PM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
Originally Posted By: ando
People are expecting this $999 Casio to do things that keyboards twice the price can't do either... The only gripe I have about it is the terrible/tiny LCD screen - they could have done better there.

Ever seen a Nord, ando? wink


haha, yeah. But I gave up on Nord display screens years ago...
Posted by: Michael H

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/28/13 10:23 AM

Does anyone know if it will be possible to get higher levels of reverb than on the PX150/350's?
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/28/13 10:27 AM

The half damper question was just asked in another thread here on this forum. The short answer is no. The rest of my answer is here. http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...tml#Post2029338

The PX-5S has a completely different effects engine than any of the other products. The reverbs have adjustable depth, can get very long and are quite spectacular IMOH.
Posted by: Michael H

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/28/13 10:35 AM

Mike,

Your enthusiasm for the PX5S is quite evident in the NAMM videos. It looks like a real winner! smile
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/28/13 10:45 AM

Thanks Michael,
To say that I'm excited about the PX-5S is an understatement. The instrument was in many ways in its infancy at NAMM. All of the sounds we used for demos at NAMM were programmed in two days leading up to the show (I didn't get much sleep).

Since then the software has come so far. The team at R&D worked really hard and after getting feedback from professionals at NAMM were were able to make some significant improvements to the PX-5S. Less than two weeks ago we finished programming the factory Stage Settings for the PX-5S and in the week since we've triple checked our work against other instruments and in real-world environments. We recently added a lot of audio to our SoundCloud page below and there will be even more added soon.

I have a fair amount of travel coming up in March along with a much needed vacation the last week of the month but I hope that we'll get some in depth videos on the PX-5S done in the next two weeks.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/28/13 11:20 AM

I almost placed an order yesterday (although I think GC are telling little porkies saying that they'll have stock by March 11th... ), but held off only because the purchase is not essential for me at this stage.

However I did spend a little time with the PX-350. Although the core piano sound is very similar to previous models (with noticeably improved resonance), the action and sound connection is streets ahead, in my opinion. I think it's a remarkable action for a 25lbs instrument, and beats the equivalent Fatar that's in the Numa and Electro HP. The key surface does feel a little weird, but I know that I would be thankful for that degree of grip during a summer gig.

Putting together the snippets heard from Soundcloud, NAMM and yesterday's PX-350 jaunt, I think the PX-5S will punch way above its weight. However, what makes it more appealing to me is the enthusiasm and dedication that Mike and his team are displaying. In the same way that a meal prepared with devotion can taste so much better than one made perfunctorily, I like to think that this enthusiasm will be evident in the end product, and the vibe it generates.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/28/13 11:21 AM

Sorry Voxpops but no one will have them in March.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/28/13 11:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Sorry Voxpops but no one will have them in March.

Yes, that's what I expected. I've come across this before with GC/MF in particular. They will display a fictitious date (presumably to entice you to order) and then consistently put the date back in weekly or bi-weekly increments until actual stock is received. It's a disappointing tactic, and is one of the reasons I prefer to do business elsewhere when it comes to major purchases.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/28/13 04:10 PM

I would expect a high degree of enthusiam on the launch of the 5S once it starts shipping. Mike did a lot of hands on-blogs and workshops with the XW-P1 when it launched. I think the 5S breaks new ground. The new sound chip seems highly capable of breaking new ground with its sounds. I don't think their product line has been this appealing since the ZPI days which this is light years ahead of based on what I've heard so far.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/28/13 04:33 PM

I've got a lot of travel coming up over the next two months and I'll have a PX-5S with me for most of it. I'll get a list of where I'll be posted soon. Hopefully I'll get a chance to meet some of you in person.
Posted by: Possum SP280Krome

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/28/13 07:59 PM

I had a 20% MF coupon and would have preoordered one (still will do it later).

Could you tell us how many acoustic piano programs it has? One of the aspects that seems nice is the fact that there is a 4 band eq-

I had a Yamaha P50M piano module from 1996-2010; it was fantastic it had this. Also, the Korg SG Prox had one.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 02/28/13 11:26 PM

Shameless bump, but this was pretty fun. My iPod decided to play this song yesterday so I had to give it a try on the PX-5S.

Pink Floyd's On the Run. One Arpeggiator is in use for the main note pattern and simultaneously doing the hi-hat on the same zone, nothing else is sequenced. This is two zones on the PX-5S with different elements on different keys. All sounds are raw waveforms with pink noise used for the high hats and mixed in with the "helicopter".

https://soundcloud.com/casiomusicgear/on-the-run

Not bad for a "piano". wink
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/01/13 03:27 AM

Gosh, you've recreated it so well! shocked
Posted by: thomsurf

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/01/13 06:11 AM

Good job Mike! If you can do a version of 'The Great Gig in the Sky' that's just as good, I'll take a PX-5S!
Posted by: Nomadness

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/01/13 12:49 PM

I'm in, for sure. I have sold my trusty Roland/Mackie/KRK/studio rig, and the PX-5S is going aboard. Looking forward to placing the order!

Thanks for all you've done with the community, Mike.

Steve
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/01/13 04:34 PM

Originally Posted By: thomsurf
Good job Mike! If you can do a version of 'The Great Gig in the Sky' that's just as good, I'll take a PX-5S!


Just piano and organ on that song....
Posted by: adak

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/01/13 04:53 PM

If this piano is as great as it is, should it not be selling for $1500? Or even $2000? Or more? You don't want Casio to be selling itself short if it puts out a great product.
Posted by: Duke-N-NY

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/01/13 05:04 PM

@Mike Martin,
Just curious, with what i'm sure are countless hours of fine tuning the sound i was wondering if you and/or your team gravitated towards any one specific set of speakers that you feel brings out the best in the PX-5S, more specifically for in home or studio use?
Thanks, Duke

P.S. Love the sound clips posted in soundcloud would love to hear some electronic/house clips smile
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/01/13 05:30 PM

During the process I switched back and forth between two brands of headphones and two sets of monitor speakers.

The speakers that you're listening can have dramatic effect when you're doing sound design mainly if you're not used to what the speakers sound like.

As an example at NAMM the PX-5S was running through a QSC system with K10s and subs. We made tweaks during the show until we got used to how the sounds were responding to in the sound system.

Twice during the show, Joe Sample played the PX-5S at a different location in the booth. Same type of sound system but very different speaker and sub placement. The subs were way too loud. Listen to the Joe Sample Wurly recording, you'll notice that it sounds thin and has no body. That's because there was way too much bass so we just rolled the low end out using the PX-5S EQ. It sounded great there, but the recording is not so good.

There are so many studio monitors these days. There are some great ones...of course you can spend more the price of the PX-5S on monitors. Which ones should you use??This is like saying which DAW should you use. I'd say, the one you're most used to.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/01/13 05:38 PM

I don't think they cost as much to build as you might think. But Casio is smart in that they spread their cost over many models and are able to offer them at lower price points because of this. If you look at the Privia line only, they use the same basic hardware like the keybed, samples, and sound chip in all their models. The differences are in the extras each model has. Most companies know how many units they need to sell to recoup their cost. Once they hit this number, the rest is profit.
Posted by: xorbe

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/01/13 09:41 PM

Originally Posted By: adak
If this piano is as great as it is, should it not be selling for $1500? Or even $2000? Or more? You don't want Casio to be selling itself short if it puts out a great product.

@adak - Don't give them ideas like this. Yeesh! It's not a $2K slab. $2K will buy a slab with escapement feel, 3-pedal support with partial pedaling, non-looped synthesized piano decay, multiple sampled pianos, 900+ quality sounds, in a sleek non-controversial case, etc. Anyways, the PX-5S will make an excellent $999 product, but I'm looking towards the PX-850 myself. Shame it doesn't have some of the PX-350's goodies, because there's no way I'm shelling out for an AP-650 without a massively serious discount.
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/01/13 11:33 PM

I'm not so sure you will find all of the features you mentioned even in a $2000 board.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/10/13 12:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Michael H
Does anyone know if it will be possible to get higher levels of reverb than on the PX150/350's?


Yes:

https://soundcloud.com/casiomusicgear/px-5s-reverbed-piano
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/10/13 04:05 PM

Cool.

Repeated question:
can we have a 'normal' (no big verb) AP fragment as well, whenever you find the time ? Still curious about the dry AP sound in different styles (classic fast passages, classic slow passages, few jazz fragments - some nice pedaling techniques).

It is supposed to have the better incarnation of the AP Air engine, with full resonance effects etc. And perhaps some new tweaks to the piano presets. Wonder what it sounds like (solo)...it's still a stage 'piano' after all, despite all the extra new features and sounds.

Thanks.
Posted by: ando

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/10/13 04:10 PM

Originally Posted By: JFP
Cool.

Repeated question:
can we have a 'normal' (no big verb) AP fragment as well, whenever you find the time ? Still curious about the dry AP sound in different styles (classic fast passages, classic slow passages, few jazz fragments - some nice pedaling techniques).

It is supposed to have the better incarnation of the AP Air engine, with full resonance effects etc. And perhaps some new tweaks to the piano presets. Wonder what it sounds like (solo)...it's still a stage 'piano' after all, despite all the extra new features and sounds.

Thanks.


Any piano without half pedalling is going to struggle, IMO. That was such a huge disappointment for me. My check was practically in the mail until I read that it still uses the old on/off pedal. I find it utterly baffling when all the other Privias have half pedalling. Why Casio? Why?!
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/10/13 04:37 PM

OK , forget the pedaling part. Just give us some nice AP demos in different styles.

Shame about the half pedal. Put my thoughts about that in the other thread...
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/15/13 11:00 AM

We are at SXSW this week. Although a little primitive using a webcam we'll be streaming live from the Music Expo today and tomorrow from 12:00pm to 6:00pm Central. We did it yesterday and from what I understand the audio quality was decent. So if you have questions or these is something you'd like to hear, join the chat and type away.

http://www.ustream.tv/casiomusicgear
Posted by: willf

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/16/13 03:26 AM

This is really worth watching if you can as it shows the flexibility of the instrument.

Mike Martin does a great job of demoing the instrument.
Posted by: willf

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/16/13 04:17 AM

Mike,

I don't suppose you got to try the PX-5S though the new EV ZLX 12P. I am led to believe that they are amazing - especially for the money.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/16/13 09:48 AM

We will be on ustream again today from about 12-6 central time. Come join in, ask questions.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/16/13 09:49 AM

I've heard great things about the EV's. We've been using QSC speakers over the last year and they've been great.
Posted by: Tyruke

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 03/17/13 02:46 AM

Thank you, Mike Martin for setting up that live stream, and answering all my questions.

That was the first time I ever watched something like that and have my questions answered.

Looking forward to the PX5S release soon!

Posted by: Deltron

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/08/13 10:05 AM

Anyone know if the PX-5S is on it's way to the shops any time soon?

I'm really thinking of getting the PX-5S but i have also looked at the PX-350(although never played one). Does anyone have any input comparing these two boards?

I'm mostly gonna be playing at home and some band situations and would like to have the built in speakers of the 350, though getting some monitors for the PX-5S would be an alternative. The PX-5S also seems really appealing with it's great control features.
Will it be a good board for home use as well as stage?

Any input would be much appreciated!
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/08/13 10:14 AM

I'd wait for the PX-5S...
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/08/13 10:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Deltron
Will it be a good board for home use as well as stage?

Basically, you're getting Casio's best piano engine, with all resonance features activated, new and vastly improved electric piano tones and effects, plus a hex-layer synth section.

What you'll be missing is the half-pedaling feature, which will make it less appealing for more serious classical and jazz work, and no built-in music stand or speakers. So, apart from these absent features (for which there are workarounds), it will be just as good at home as on stage!
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/08/13 11:00 AM

The PX-5S will ship to stores at the end of this week.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/08/13 05:23 PM

Here are two piano only demos we posted today:
https://soundcloud.com/casiomusicgear/privia-pro-px-5s-acoustic-1

https://soundcloud.com/casiomusicgear/privia-pro-px-5s-acoustic
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/08/13 08:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
The PX-5S will ship to stores at the end of this week.


Correction, they shipped last Friday
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/09/13 07:19 AM

Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/09/13 12:16 PM

Thanks for posting. Stephan De Reine just seems to be having so much fun improvising on the PX-5S! The overall sound is very pleasing and dynamic. The octave above middle C seems to suffer a little - which has long been noticeable in the Casio range (you can hear a slight "plinkiness" in single-note runs) - but measured against the fact that no DP is perfect at any price, it's no biggie, IMO. And the PX-5S has a lot more capability than many other stage pianos when you consider what else is available on-board.
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/09/13 02:15 PM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
...The octave above middle C seems to suffer a little - which has long been noticeable in the Casio range (you can hear a slight "plinkiness" in single-note runs)


"Plinkiness" - that's the word I was looking for to describe it. No biggie indeed for stage use and certainly not in the light of the total package offered in this price range. But for more serious classical / subtle Jazz music I'm still not sure. Would have to try before buy (as always). Playing with the volume ADSR curve won't help much ; it's the sound itself that thins out pretty fast after the initial attack in the mid/high range, after which it rings on very nice and smooth for along while , but the initial phase misses some 'body' ; I think this is also what Voxpop means by plinkiness.

No Casio bashing - just honest personal judgement and again as a whole the PX5S is a very interesting beast that will please lots of people. Probably some AP presets will be more suitable for classical performance than others anyway. The "Dolce" is already a big difference (although some attack 'thinness' remains , compared to a high end SW or hardware DP).

If the PX can be tweaked enough to give the mid/high range attack a bit more (longer) substance that would help scratch off the last major difference to the more expensive competition in terms of AP sound. The PX has already a lot more to offer in the rest of the feature and sound set...
Posted by: Nomadness

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/09/13 07:04 PM

Just heard that my PX-5S has been shipped... excited! I'll post first impressions...
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/09/13 09:22 PM

I wrote this on the other forum where you posted Nomadness...but this is relevant here too:

I'm deeply humbled that you pre-ordered the PX-5S. I admit, I was surprised to find out that we shipped some out a week earlier than I expected.

As I mentioned a few pages back in this thread we have have a firmware update coming. There are some significant new features but this update also gives me the opportunity to go back over the 100 Stage Settings and make some revisions. We're doing things like tweaking knob/slider assignments and other improvements like using the new toggle footswitch feature for rotary speaker effects and more.

It may be sooner but my estimate is about a week before the update is posted. The PC/Mac editors will follow shortly after.

We will be posting Stage Settings and other tones regularly but these will require the 1.10 update. They're not backwards compatible to 1.00. Anything you create however will be forward compatible to 1.10.

I'll be posting tips and guides as often as possible over at http://priviapro.wordpress.com
especially over the next couple weeks.

Thanks,
Posted by: Deltron

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/10/13 12:01 PM

Do you have any knowledge of when it will be available in Scandinavia?
The Casio distributor don't seem to have any info
Posted by: Itsgotta

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/10/13 12:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
The PX-5S will ship to stores at the end of this week.


Correction, they shipped last Friday


Hi Mike,
Thanks for all your updates and info on this product. I pre ordered with guitar center, I was wondering if you already shipped to them as well. Haven't heard from them yet.
Thank you for your time.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/10/13 02:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Deltron
Do you have any knowledge of when it will be available in Scandinavia?
The Casio distributor don't seem to have any info


They are probably working that out during the meetings at Musik Messe this week. Sorry I don't have any specific information.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/10/13 02:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Itsgotta
Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
The PX-5S will ship to stores at the end of this week.


Correction, they shipped last Friday


Hi Mike,
Thanks for all your updates and info on this product. I pre ordered with guitar center, I was wondering if you already shipped to them as well. Haven't heard from them yet.
Thank you for your time.


GC like many of our other accounts did pre-order the PX-5S. I don't however know how many existing orders they have vs how many we shipped them in this first shipment. I would suggest that you contact them directly.
Posted by: JimaSound

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/10/13 08:13 PM

Hello:
Just wanted to let you all know that my PX-5S was just delivered. I haven't even opened it let but wanted to thank Mike Martin (like many have done before me) for being such a great ambassador for this product. I ordered my PX-5S the day I saw Mike's first demo online at NAMM which actually was the day after I bought a Steinway B piano. I would have thought that my GAS would have been satisfied for a while with the Steinway B...especially since it is my first full size grand...I already own 5 other baby grand pianos and a dozen or so MIDI controllers/keyboards including a Casio CDP-200R and a Casio PX-330, but Mike's enthusiasm and commitment to this product is so addicting that I had to order it sight unseen. Hats off to you Mike and Casio for coming so far since the first Casio CZ-101 I had some 30 years ago.

I should probably stop rambling here, throw some batteries into the PX-5S and the battery powered Roland KC-110 amp I just picked up for the 5S and go play some tunes out in the street or something....

cheers
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/10/13 08:47 PM

Thanks JimaSound,
I look forward to hearing what you think.

Stick to the Stage Settings at first on the right side of the keyboard. These all have pre-assigned controllers (sliders/knobs). Later if you want to change something or choose from the other "ingredients" you can choose from the tones on the left side.

I heard today that the 1.10 update is scheduled for Monday. cool
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/11/13 01:06 AM

I believe this product will break new ground for Casio, and expect them to garner another award from Keyboard Magazine for offering a stage piano with a nice touch, great sounds, and unbeatable value. A number of the sound demos for the 5S show it is highly capable. Hopefully stores will have demo units to try as I never ran into a PX-3. I'm looking to unload the older Casio I have and am interested in the 5S. Hope you like your new Casio.
Posted by: Tom Fine

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/11/13 07:47 AM

Originally Posted By: JimaSound
Hello:
... I bought a Steinway B piano ... I already own 5 other baby grand pianos and a dozen or so MIDI controllers/keyboards...

I should probably stop rambling here, throw some batteries into the PX-5S and the battery powered Roland KC-110 amp I just picked up for the 5S and go play some tunes out in the street or something....
cheers


For better of worse, when people see street performers they don't imagine that they own 5 baby grands and a Steinway, and a home that can hold all that.

I believe this is called "living the dream".
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/12/13 06:57 AM

Originally Posted By: JimaSound
Hello:
Just wanted to let you all know that my PX-5S was just delivered. I haven't even opened it let but wanted to thank Mike Martin (like many have done before me) for being such a great ambassador for this product. I ordered my PX-5S the day I saw Mike's first demo online at NAMM which actually was the day after I bought a Steinway B piano. I would have thought that my GAS would have been satisfied for a while with the Steinway B...especially since it is my first full size grand...I already own 5 other baby grand pianos and a dozen or so MIDI controllers/keyboards including a Casio CDP-200R and a Casio PX-330, but Mike's enthusiasm and commitment to this product is so addicting that I had to order it sight unseen. Hats off to you Mike and Casio for coming so far since the first Casio CZ-101 I had some 30 years ago.

I should probably stop rambling here, throw some batteries into the PX-5S and the battery powered Roland KC-110 amp I just picked up for the 5S and go play some tunes out in the street or something....

cheers


And ?????
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/12/13 07:36 AM

He's still playing it.. wink

James
x
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/12/13 09:43 AM

Good batteries !
Posted by: EPW

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/12/13 09:45 AM

I got mine yesterday. I only began playing it late last night.
Long day at work. I only used headphones and I really like the sound of the piano's.
Have to set up the PX5s with my studio monitors tonight or tomorrow.
Unfortunately, I'm off to work, so I can't play with my new toy until tonight frown
Posted by: Deltron

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/12/13 11:19 AM

Can´t wait to hear what you guys think. I´m concidering importing one from the states since it will be much cheaper and the px5s won´t be here till august i was told by the distributor.

My mother would be able to bring it back for me but still anxious about taking it on a plane, at least without getting a flight case (which i wouldnt even need afterwards).
Anyone have any experience bringing keyboards on-board a plane? Or maybe sending it in its original wrapping?
Posted by: xorbe

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/12/13 01:51 PM

Hopefully the local GC stocks this on the show room floor soon.
Posted by: EPW

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/12/13 02:11 PM

For the lucky ones that have received one like me, did you get a printed
manuals with it. I only got the user guide and fold-out poster, but not the manual.
If it is to come with it I could drive to Mike Martin's home and pick it up smile
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/12/13 02:20 PM

The others manual is online only
Posted by: peterws

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/12/13 02:21 PM

"Anyone have any experience bringing keyboards on-board a plane?"

Sit in the middle of your plane, man. Or make sure there`s someone fat on the other side . .
Posted by: EPW

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/12/13 02:30 PM

Thanks Mike. I actually already printed out the most of the manual before
I got the unit. I'll finish printing the last 15 or so pages that I didn't print
and put in a 3-ring binder.

From the little I played with it last night and this morning I can say the
PX5S is really deep in what it can do.

Will the PC editor make it easier to edit the patches?

P.S.
Thanks Mike for answering all our questions.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/12/13 02:34 PM

The editor shows you more at once but there isn't anything that can't be done from the front panel. It will be released next week with the firmware update.
Posted by: Nomadness

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/12/13 02:50 PM

My installation is getting a dedicated iPad, so I'm looking forward to the tools! Two probably obvious RTFM-ish questions, Mike:

- What is the firmware update process? Hopefully done via the USB stick... I occasionally get products that require a Windows PC serial port, and that's a pain here.

- How "robust" is the headphone output? I see the two jacks, which I assume are parallel for two sets of cans, but I'm wondering if the Sennheiser HD 598 will be happy (I know the 600 and 650 generally require amping). Haven't ordered it yet, but finger is hovering over the CHECKOUT button. I think the open-backs with great soundstage and little coloring will be nice unless I'm mixing with mic sources, then I can switch to my cheapie closed cans. (Reading headphone-centric forums is maddening... not only are there a wide range of contextual applications that affect perception, but it's like any community that gets highly specialized, yielding so much information and deep analysis that it becomes a rabbit hole of pre-purchase decision research. Don't want to hijack this thread with that topic; the question is specific to output drive level... I suspect it's not an issue at all.)

My PX-5S arrives Monday! It's gonna be a long, long weekend...
Steve
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/12/13 02:55 PM

The firmware update is done from a "USB Stick".

As for the headphone I've never heard anyone complain about the volume level on any Privia product. I use Sony MDR-7506 and never had an issue with lack of volume. wink
Posted by: Nomadness

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/12/13 03:00 PM

Great on both - thanks!

By the way, I'm probably echoing other sentiments that pepper this thread, but just want you to know... my decision on buying the PX-5S unseen was driven by a number of factors, a significant one of which is your active presence in the user community. As far as I know, only Casio and Kawai do that in any meaningful way... and the others should take a lesson from you guys. It makes a HUGE difference in perception of a manufacturer. There were a few specific models that I crossed off the list because I could never get answers beyond user speculation or published specs.

Cheers,
Steve
Posted by: Possum SP280Krome

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/12/13 04:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin


This sounds absolutely brilliant!
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/12/13 05:40 PM

Nomadness, you are, of course, obliged to post pics of the PX-5S on your sailboat!

James
x
Posted by: Nomadness

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/12/13 06:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Nomadness, you are, of course, obliged to post pics of the PX-5S on your sailboat!


Definitely! Should be an interesting installation... it will live in a drawer under the desk and lift out for use (fiddly with cables, but not as messy as the original hinging-desktop idea). My perch will be a gas-lift Soundseat throne with custom pedestal base, the studio mic is on a Heil boom attached to the mast support (useful for standing with flute as well as voice while seated), speakers are Klipsh KHO-7 just above the racks, cans are the the Sennheiser HD-598 with closed-back units for mic work, and a 12U rackspace contains the studio goodies (Edirol M-16DX, Tascam DP-008, Fusion amp, signal routing, and so on). The center panel, mostly comm gear, has an iPad for sheet music (we don't need no steenkin' music stand!). Pedals protrude from a little cabinet wall in the foot well, including a JamMan looper. Acoustics of the space are probably not great; last time I did an audiobook chapter aboard, I draped blankets around. But I'll just have to live with that.

All good as long as I don't take a rogue wave with open hatches or suffer a knockdown......

Yarrh,
Steve
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/13/13 03:45 PM

http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/364890/OT_CASIO_Privia_Pro_PX_5S

Edit: a few interesting examples, but what was this guy smoking...
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/13/13 07:18 PM

Is this a re-chargable battery pack?

Very interested in "busking" someday
with a digital..
Posted by: EPW

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/13/13 08:57 PM

The unit takes 8 AA batteries. But it says only use alkaline and not NC rechargeables.
I haven't tried it on batteries yet. Been having to much fun playing with it still.
I have to sit down with the manual and really go thru this monster smile
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/13/13 09:36 PM

Originally Posted By: EPW
The unit takes 8 AA batteries. But it says only use alkaline and not NC rechargeables.



hmmmm... they do make rechargebale alkaline
AA's now-a-days....

Otherwise would make for expensive busking..
Posted by: peterws

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/14/13 06:05 AM

That vid was brilliant! 10 m of energy. . . Good piano.
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/14/13 06:20 AM

Originally Posted By: EPW
The unit takes 8 AA batteries. But it says only use alkaline and not NC rechargeables.
I haven't tried it on batteries yet. Been having to much fun playing with it still.
I have to sit down with the manual and really go thru this monster smile



Can you give us a short impression on how the 'other' sounds are on the PX5S ? I mean, not the piano's or synth/hex layer sounds, of which we heard quite a lot already, but the sounds like organ (real drawbar emulation?), strings, acoustic instruments, basses etc.

I know the synth sounds , AP's and EP's are pretty good, but how the rest - do you need another board for the extra sounds ? The guy in the vid stops short exactly at the moment he was going to touch the organ and acoustic sounds...
Posted by: EPW

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/14/13 10:17 AM

I'm out for the day with famaily. I'll try to report back tonight smile
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/14/13 11:28 AM

Originally Posted By: EPW
I'm out for the day with famaily. I'll try to report back tonight smile


You are selfish and thoughtless person.
And...

WE'RE your family now so.....

REPORT!

LOL
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/14/13 12:35 PM

"Famaily" is his band name, so don't be so harsh on him; he's out for a gig ;-)
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/14/13 12:42 PM

Originally Posted By: JFP
"Famaily" is his band name, so don't be so harsh on him; he's out for a gig ;-)


That makes it even worse somehow f

LOL!
Posted by: EPW

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/14/13 10:38 PM

Sorry guys rush out the door. I should of just not responded to the thread.
Just got back with a long day with wife, kids and my in-laws.
We drove out to the the Volvo car museum. I never was there and my father in-law
wanted to go out there to see the cars again and show the grandchildren them.
We all had a wonderful time and then went out to Culver's for dinner and Custard:)

Now back to the PX5s. I only played around for the last hour with the unit.
Still getting the hang of how to edit tones.
Getting there and enjoying going through the 100 stage setting.
There is so nice organ sounds to play with, but I was having the most
fun with the rhodes and clav sounds to be honest. Also I was going
over some pop ballads with the piano and strings stage settings and got lost just playing. So I guess that is a good sign. As far as gigging that is long past for me. Might use it to help out school for plays as in the past or for contemporary church mass.

I need to reread the manual on how to do the phase recordings tonight. I got lost trying to record one just before coming up here to the computer. Probably something
simple I'm missing.

All in all I am having fun with the unit. Hopefully on my next day off I can
get it setup in my practice room to the monitors and hear how it sounds without using headphones. Also want to try recording some of my playing to a USB thumbdrive.
Posted by: Nomadness

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/15/13 12:22 PM

Mine is out for delivery... I'll report on first impressions once she's unpacked!
Steve
Posted by: dewster

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/15/13 03:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
The editor shows you more at once but there isn't anything that can't be done from the front panel.

This is how it's done right.
Posted by: Nomadness

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/15/13 10:53 PM

Very first impressions:

Shipping and packaging... excellent. Box arrived crisp and secure from Kraft, with their added accessories in a second box.

Audio quality... scared me, until I realized that the free Audio-Technica ATH-T22 headphones included with the Kraft "Bonus Pak" are worth exactly what I paid for them. Fortunately, Sennheiser 598 is arriving tomorrow. (I had one other set of cans that are way better than the freebies, but the cord is so short I have to either lean way left or dance over it while playing!)

Documentation... much more needed. The tutorial and user's guide are only marginally useful if you are trying to understand the architecture... but I'm sure that with huge popularity of this board there will be a lot more information soon. A good conceptual piece would be highly useful for beginners, along with some setup examples.

Keybed feel... even better touch than expected. Kind of a sharp thunk on release compared to my only real data point (RD-700SX), but it is uniform across all the keys. Key surface texture is nice, and they look good as well.

Aesthetics... Quite crisp and lightweight (an important feature for me in the boat, as well as anybody looking for portability). Surprising how good it feels for being well under half the weight of my last board. Panel legends are quite readable, and LEDs are non-intrusive. For such a lightweight box, the case is surprisingly stiff and secure... can probably take a few bumps in handling.

AP sound... still working on it (while figuring out the interface). Initial default had substantial sustain pedal noise and way more open-string resonance (sounded like all strings, not just harmonically related), but those are easily editable. Sound is little thin for my taste yet, but I'm still using those temporary headphones and am early in the learning curve, so it is too early to presume to judge. Long sustain, and my ear did not pick up any obvious looping or other artifacts.

Variety of sounds... huge, especially with all the layers and zones I haven't even figured out how to play with yet. As with my previous board, there are clearly some included tones that will be delicious standouts, and others that are "meh." I hear this is pretty much normal for all manufacturers...

Power and cabling... very nice. 12V barrel connector is right angle, not one of those fragile cylindrical ones, though I would still not want to give it a serious yank for fear of damaging the internal connector mounting. Switching power supply runs cool, and has its own cord (not a wall wart). The battery tray is very clever and will be real win for a lot of people.

User interface... too early to give any kind of detailed assessment, but it is nice to be able to use the knobs to quickly scroll items and tweak values in the editor. Not exactly self-explanatory (see above re documentation), but it looks like you can drill as deep as you want from the front panel. The LCD is small, so a lot of information is packed into a few pixels.

Upgradeability and interfacing... a huge win on this compared to most. It's MIDI class-compliant, so no drivers needed, and firmware upgrades are via front-panel USB stick.

Company support... with Mike here, probably awesome. This was a huge factor in the decision to purchase this unit (I even had pre-sale questions to a couple of other vendors go completely unanswered... can't imagine actually needing help!).


DISCLAIMER: I've only had this for a few hours, and have been mostly doing other things... but I wanted to share a few initial thoughts before they are displaced by work-arounds, tweaks, and the kind of added knowledge that makes it hard to remember what it was like when you first discovered something. Looking forward to finding out how to use the iPad with it (an app?), and will certainly be running Galaxy or other software piano at some point. Overall, I'm impressed at the cost/performance ratio, and it fits my lightweight application very well without also being a big compromise in quality.

Cheers,
Steve

Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/15/13 11:01 PM

Understood about the documentation. Don't forget the blog at http://priviapro.wordpress.com

New tutorials going up there all the time.
Posted by: Nomadness

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/15/13 11:10 PM

Been checking that blog, Mike - thanks!

Would it be helpful if I send you (off-list) a few of the questions that come up from the perspective of a new user? I have been a tech/documentation writer for ages, and might be able to help spot some areas where other newbies are likely to have questions... including the "overall concept" stuff.

Cheers, and I look forward to posting photos of the nautical installation!
Steve
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/15/13 11:12 PM

Please do, send me a PM. ;-)
Posted by: HwyStar

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/15/13 11:20 PM

Let us know what you think of the organ sounds Nomadness. No real demos have been provided by anyone so far!

Excluding the guitar/bass/organ demo...
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/15/13 11:23 PM

Organs: Stage Settings ending in 6.
0-6, 1-6, 2-6 and so on.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/15/13 11:50 PM

Congrats Steve - sounds like an excellent board.

HwyStar, there's a shortish audio recording of one of the PX-5S's organs at the page below:

http://www.amazona.de/2013/04/report-musikmesse-frankfurt-2013-e-pianos-organs/5/

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/16/13 05:34 AM

Interesting link ;
- I was again impressed by the Numa Concert AP sound; pretty organic. The rest of the Numa sounds is...meh..

- The Artis example is unfortunately way to much into overdrive and compression to give a good judgement (at least I hope this isn't how it really sounds).

- Drawbar organ on PX5s seems pretty good ! AP is still a bit thin in the mid-high range to my taste, but that may be personal preference.

Oh, by the way - I think Casio did such a good job getting all these extra sound processing features into the PX, that they may have fallen into the pitfall of overdoing effects in the programming of the presets. Damper resonance and key off effects (Rhodes) etc , don't have to be that unnaturally obvious. Perhaps a bit more modest programming in the next update . Just an advice, I know how tempting it is to show the nice features you have build-in, but beauty is in the (small) details - not "in your face" . Of course you can change it, but nicely perfected factory presets would save a lot off time.

- Roland is again very nice classical SN AP sound (as long as you don't hit it too hard). Still like it a lot.

- Physis - very dynamic , but indeed its slight touch of this artificial pianoteq attack / mid sound. I wonder if it's a 'problem' when you play it yourself, because the connection and interaction with the sound is than so much more important than the last bit of realism. However to listen to it lacks this final touch of realism. But who's going to record a DP for a commercial classical music release...these DP's are mostly for playing yourself anyway. On stage - I think it doesn't matter much either ; other things are important there, like how the AP mixes with the other players and how it sticks through the noise the others and environment produce.

Examples; keep them coming ;-)
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/16/13 07:09 AM

Quote:

h, by the way - I think Casio did such a good job getting all these extra sound processing features into the PX, that they may have fallen into the pitfall of overdoing effects in the programming of the presets. Damper resonance and key off effects (Rhodes) etc , don't have to be that unnaturally obvious. Perhaps a bit more modest programming in the next update . Just an advice, I know how tempting it is to show the nice features you have build-in, but beauty is in the (small) details - not "in your face" . Of course you can change it, but nicely perfected factory presets would save a lot off time.


I can only guess this was at MusikMesse? They turned UP the effects for the purpose of their demos. Personally, I prefer some of them a little quiter, sometimes louder, it depends on what I'm playing. By default they're in the middle.
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/16/13 07:16 AM

Hi Mike,

Thanks - that's very well possible of course. I once had listened to a demo unit of Kawai and had a similar experience - all the piano designer effects we're turned to eleven ! Sounded pretty bad, but when turned to normal all was well.

Sorry I overlooked the probability they exaggerated the effects on the show floor. Hope the factory presets are less 'overdone' ;-)

Nice overall package you guys created. Initial sales figures must be good. Are the organs realtime drawbar emulations by the way, of fixed samples settings of different organ characters ?

Cheers, hope you enjoyed your well-deserved holiday...
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/16/13 07:23 AM

I know for a fact that they turned them up. They were asking me to make them as sound as possible for their demos....both damper effects and key off noise.

There are some Stage Settings that have some drawbar control, we will be creating downloable banks with more. In the case of the drawbar organs, we have a sample of a single drawbar that is transposed to properly emulate the pitch of different drawbars. Of course there are traditional organ samples too.
Posted by: Temperament

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/16/13 09:33 AM

Originally Posted By: JFP
- Physis - very dynamic , but indeed its slight touch of this artificial pianoteq attack / mid sound. I wonder if it's a 'problem' when you play it yourself, because the connection and interaction with the sound is than so much more important than the last bit of realism. However to listen to it lacks this final touch of realism. But who's going to record a DP for a commercial classical music release...these DP's are mostly for playing yourself anyway. On stage - I think it doesn't matter much either ; other things are important there, like how the AP mixes with the other players and how it sticks through the noise the others and environment produce.

While this is mostly very true, however my question: are You speaking from Pinanoteq 4 or already from Pianoteq 4.5?
Posted by: HwyStar

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/16/13 01:11 PM

Originally Posted By: James
HwyStar, there's a shortish audio recording of one of the PX-5S's organs at the page below:

http://www.amazona.de/2013/04/report-musikmesse-frankfurt-2013-e-pianos-organs/5/


Thanks so much for the link James!
Posted by: JimaSound

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/16/13 10:08 PM

Hello:
It's probably about time that I give you folks my first thoughts on the PX-5S...sorry for the delay...my studio has 100 clients that need time sensitive audio work done every month, we have 2 studio locations and the staff consists of me, myself and I. Two of the staff are constant slackers so I never seem to have enough time because I am always covering for them. grin

The PX-5S is just simply a great keyboard in terms of value, touch, sound, integration and portability. I have already commented on the great work that Mike and the rest of the Casio team is doing with the 5S which really brings added value to this rig but I do have to admit the 5S had me at: battery.
In the early 80's I gigged with a Prophet 600 and then with an added Yamaha DX7 as marching keyboardist with a 250 member marching band playing in a large football stadium. I had a very interesting 3 bicycle wheel contraption strapped to me with the keyboard/s in a plexiglass housing to keep the rain off them. I had retractable power and audio lines going to a heavy duty cart which two people pushed around behind me that had giant 12 volt truck batteries, power inverters and powered PA speakers. This rig could certainly kick some decibels but it was converting DC power (batteries) to AC (for the speakers) and then back to DC for the keyboards. Not very efficient. Could have done a battery "mod" on the keyboards but couldn't afford to have that go sideways so I left well enough alone. At that time I really wished that pro keyboards came standard with a battery backup system...and 30 years later Casio finally did it. thumb

OK....I am stalling here....and I know it...the actual reality is that I am having so much fun with this keyboard that all I have really done with it...is play it a lot...just the presets with small tweaks using the knobs. At this time...I am in no position to give it any kind a review because I haven't actually cracked into it's "engine" at all.

Mike's tip with sticking with the Stage Settings at first and then choosing "other ingredients" is really good and that's what I have done.

It's been a while since I had that feeling of playing a keyboard that for whatever reason is breaking new ground for what I use keyboards for. Some notable keyboards that I put in this category from the past that I still use today because of this fact are: Hohner Clavinet D6, Fender Rhodes, Prophet 5, Yamaha CP-70, Yamaha DX-7 and Yamaha Motif 8.

I can say at this point that the touch and action on this keyboard is extremely good for this price point. I am very particular on what kind of 88 key-keyboards I use for midi control in the studio depending upon what kind of parts I am playing.

I currently use:
Numa Nero (midi controller)
Kurzweil Midi Board (midi controller)
M-Audio keystation Pro 88 (midi controller)
Yamaha KX-8 (Midi controller)
Yamaha Motif 8
Casio PX-330
Kurzweil PC88
Alesis QS 8
M-Audio Prokeys 88SX

Each one of these boards brings something different to the table in terms of touch and feel but the 5S definitely goes to the top of the class. It is amazing how tighter this keyboard feels over the the previous action in the PX-330 (a key action I actually like a lot). Once you get used to the "ivory touch" on the 5S...you kind of miss it when you go to other keyboards. I also shouldn't forget to say that the 5S is only 25 lbs. thumb

Now lets talk polyphony. I have in the archives somewhere..the monophonic Korg synth.(can't remember the model off hand) that was multi-tracked to tape in the studio just to be able to play chords for the original NASA theme song. Now looking at the 5S's 256 note polyphony...is a game changer. I always check new keyboards to see how well they steal played notes when they get over their polyphony limit by holding down the sustain pedal. Haven't even thought about this with the 5S.

Some other little things I noted so far:
- Whether you like the white color of the 5S or not (personally I really don't have any preference except I will note the fact that this keyboard stands out in the crowd and I would think that Casio doesn't really mind that at all) the black writing around the controls is very easy to read. All the back connection jacks are listed on the top which is very helpful.

- The power switch is very easily found on the top panel by the volume control....no more trying to reach it from the back or the side. It is a momentary switch which you actually have to hold a bit to turn the unit off...should help with accidentally turning the power off. Of course if the plug gets pulled you have the batteries to keep you going. I am using Eneloops 2 gens. rechargeable bats 1900mah + power rating 1.2V. AA's. The 5S seems to do OK with these...but I need to test how long they actually last. Manual mentions run time of 3-4 hours with headphones on ...we shall see. I wondered about the 5S accidentally being turn on in a gig bag but the 5S has a auto off function of 5 minutes when in battery mode if it is not being played (4 hours...if it is plugged into a AC socket)

OK...I started with this post with batteries and will end here with batteries. I will try to come back here and report more about this 5S later...but then again....maybe not because I will be to busy playing it.

cheers
JimaSound (yes Tom Fine...I am "living the dream"...Thank You for noticing)

p.s. I forgot to mention something I didn't like about the 5S...well....I thought the EQ's could be a little more robust..........never mind...that is being dealt with on the next firmware update that should be out soon.


disclaimer: I am not affiliated or work for Casio...but these days...it definitely sounds like a fun gig.
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/16/13 10:22 PM

Originally Posted By: JimaSound

I am using Eneloops 2 gens. rechargeable bats 1900mah + power rating 1.2V. AA's. The 5S seems to do OK with these...but I need to test how long they actually last.


Great review - love the "side notes"
But you may want to check on those
Nickel battereies - thought I read
somewhere that nickels were a non non this Casio...
Posted by: EPW

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/16/13 10:32 PM

Now you sound like me. I just learned to use the audio recorder and have mostly
been playing with the presets and just tinkering a little to with the stage settings.

I was scared to listen to myself, but I didn't sound to bad:)
I'm getting the hang of the layout of the board. I still have to try the batteries.
I think I'll do that after this post:)

I don't have a lot of equipment to compare the PX-5s to. I had a Alesis QS8 that I
donated to my kids school music department. They are still using it.
I have a Studiologic VMK188plus that has been having velocity troubles with some keys and I decided I needed a keyboard with sounds again. This way I don't have to have the computer on and a VST running to play late at night. Just turn on the unit and play.
Anyway, off to try out the batteries.

Ed
Posted by: o0Ampy0o

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/17/13 12:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Plinky88
Originally Posted By: JimaSound

I am using Eneloops 2 gens. rechargeable bats 1900mah + power rating 1.2V. AA's. The 5S seems to do OK with these...but I need to test how long they actually last.


Great review - love the "side notes"
But you may want to check on those
Nickel battereies - thought I read
somewhere that nickels were a non non this Casio...


Earlier in this thread:[post]

Originally Posted By: EPW
The unit takes 8 AA batteries. But it says only use alkaline and not NC rechargeables.
I haven't tried it on batteries yet. Been having to much fun playing with it still.
I have to sit down with the manual and really go thru this monster smile

Posted by: Nomadness

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/17/13 12:39 AM

Random tinkering update:

I just noticed that the Apple wireless keyboard fits perfectly atop the right side of the PX-5S, with its little cylindrical battery-tube structure hanging over the back to keep it from sliding around.

Cheers,
Steve
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/17/13 12:41 AM

smile
I recently discovered that myself, I was going to take a picture for the blog. thumb
Posted by: PaulMac

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/17/13 07:52 AM

When does the PX5S become available in the UK?
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/17/13 09:47 AM

Paul,
I don't know yet. I'm trying to find out from other Casio staff. My best guess would be June
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/17/13 04:04 PM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
I must admit I was initially disappointed by its looks but it kind of grows on me and I like it now, at least on the pictures. It might have something to do with a certain childhood memory I have about the first electronic keyboard I've ever played as a kid and that was a white Casio synth my cousin got as a present. I was so deeply impressed by all the sounds and effects that I may have developed a subconscious association between white color and good feeling laugh


Gene - I know EXACTLY what you mean.
I will freely admit I have a "prejustice"
against Casio for just that reason.. I
assosiate them with "toys" and not pro-level.

Why do I not feel the same way about Yamaha?
They have plenty of toy keyboards out there too....

This is my problem tho, and this looks like a quality
instrument so I may have to get over it so that I many just own soon!

Also, I noticed they don't put "C A S I O" on the back
but rather "Privia" - kinda of like Privia is the "BRAND", not Casio - kinda makes it seem like an "Acura" under the Honda banner. Hope that makes sense. blush
Posted by: o0Ampy0o

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/17/13 10:01 PM

Yamaha has predominantly offered serious products and along the way a relative few toys. Casio was predominantly a toy/recreational brand product until a few years ago.

When I first started looking for a DP I was astonished to see pros recommending Casio. Of all people, if a pro feels good enough about Casio to use one on stage Casios are worth considering.

The white/black/blue color scheme of the PX5S is fine to me. I just would have preferred an orange "P" and white text on black for "Privia" instead of all black text on white.

They use both "CASIO" and "Privia" on the back of the PX5S, BTW.

Posted by: EPW

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/17/13 10:29 PM

I can verify that both the Casio and the Privia name are on the back of the unit.

Sorry I worked a 12 hour day and I'm to tired to play with my new toy.
If interested there is some reviews over at
http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2465609/27

Ed
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/18/13 01:41 AM

The Casio Privia line has been well regarded for some time now. I don't think many pros thought highly of Casio until the PX-330 was released. I think that model helped change many negative opinions about Casio and the Privia line. Truth is Privia has been a successful product for Casio going back to the PX-100 which I think was the first Privia. It also didn't hurt that they reorganized the musical instrument division and brought in people who know the business and have been around for decades. That's why your seeing products like the PX-5S.
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/18/13 02:40 PM

Originally Posted By: EPW
I can verify that both the Casio and the Privia name are on the back of the unit.



I see that in the pics now.. the other
views I have seen were only of the
"bass" side of the back.

Looking forward to hearing more about
this DP...
Posted by: Deltron

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/19/13 07:34 AM

I don't want to wait until August to get mine here i Scandinavia and am concidering ordering one from the states. This would mean I loose my waranty here and would have to send back and forth to the states if anything goes wrong.
And that would be expensive.
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/19/13 08:46 AM

Is the half-pedal feature something that
can be added via a firmware update???
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/19/13 09:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Plinky88
Is the half-pedal feature something that
can be added via a firmware update???


Nope - we had that discussion before. The only solution is to use a pedal to MIDI converter and go into MIDI IN at the Casio. With a half-pedaling capable pedal attached to the MIDI converter of course...
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/19/13 11:22 AM

Originally Posted By: JFP
Originally Posted By: Plinky88
Is the half-pedal feature something that
can be added via a firmware update???


Nope - we had that discussion before. The only solution is to use a pedal to MIDI converter and go into MIDI IN at the Casio. With a half-pedaling capable pedal attached to the MIDI converter of course...


Sorry .. must've missed that somehow...

Anywho.. any idea which one of these bozes
would work for this: MIDI Convertor Boxes - So many choices!!!
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/19/13 11:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Plinky88
Anywho.. any idea which one of these bozes
would work for this: MIDI Convertor Boxes - So many choices!!!

The Pedal Controller.
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/19/13 12:17 PM

Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: Plinky88
Anywho.. any idea which one of these bozes
would work for this: MIDI Convertor Boxes - So many choices!!!

The Pedal Controller.


So the pedal goes into the TRS *1/4" input,
the MIDI out goes into the Privia. Does the
Privia go into MIDI IN?
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/19/13 01:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Plinky88
So the pedal goes into the TRS *1/4" input,
the MIDI out goes into the Privia. Does the
Privia go into MIDI IN?

Yes, though only for the purpose of supplying power to the box. (They also make a separate power adapter you can get, but usually you can tap power off the host keyboard that way.)
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/21/13 01:10 AM

So I went ahead and bit the bullet shocked
My Px5s should be here later this week.

It's funny how I have come full circle...
my VERY first keyboard (toy really)
was a Casio SK-1... the $99 "sampler" keyboard:


This is a bit of a step-up!

I will be using it in a wide variety
of applications: MIDI controller,
street "busking", practice when
late so acoustic doesn't bother the Mrs.,
as well as playing with all the synth.

Thanks Mike and everyone for their valuable input!
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/22/13 11:09 AM

If anyone is wanting one of these,
I would say: Giddy-Up.. they are
going fast. Many places are already
sold-out!
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/23/13 04:47 PM

Since I am returning to my Casio roots,
I just HAD to order one of these to
"complete the look"! blush

Posted by: Possum SP280Krome

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/23/13 07:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Plinky88
Since I am returning to my Casio roots,
I just HAD to order one of these to
"complete the look"! blush




Just make sure when you get it the buttons are evenly spaced apart and at an even height! Make sure the alarm isn't muffled either!!
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/23/13 07:12 PM

Wow, the memories!
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/23/13 08:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Wow, the memories!


Really takes you back, right? I saw one on a
TV show and wondered "Do they still make those?"

Yup.. they do.. only $25... Casio how DO you do it? grin
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/23/13 08:34 PM

I remember receiving one for my birthday as a child - I was the envy of everyone in my class. wink
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/23/13 08:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
I remember receiving one for my birthday as a child - I was the envy of everyone in my class. wink


LOL - you must be around my age...it was cool
back then.. Now... N E R D! If my kid
wore one of these he would get picked on until
my the bully's throat was sore!
Posted by: CyberGene

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/24/13 12:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Plinky88
I saw one on a
TV show


Breaking Bad? smile I also had one of those as a kid! It was soooooooo cool! I am still tempted by the idea laugh
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/24/13 08:19 AM

Originally Posted By: CyberGene
Originally Posted By: Plinky88
I saw one on a
TV show


Breaking Bad? smile I also had one of those as a kid! It was soooooooo cool! I am still tempted by the idea laugh


It was "The Office" when Jim imitated Dwight.

[video:youtube]http://youtu.be/Utu5SnO9PIg?t=44s[/video]


I watch Breaking Bad but didn't remember until
you mentioned it.. yup William White has
a Databank too!

For $25 it's good for a laugh..,,
Posted by: icarusi

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/24/13 07:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Paul,
I don't know yet. I'm trying to find out from other Casio staff. My best guess would be June
One of the local stockists checked the distributer who said they weren't sure if they would bring to the UK 'at all'! Other online co's have an item but no price or availability just 'coming soon'.
Posted by: icarusi

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/24/13 07:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Plinky88
Since I am returning to my Casio roots,
I just HAD to order one of these to
"complete the look"!

I've still got one of these:-
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/24/13 07:19 PM

^ That's beautiful!
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/24/13 08:22 PM

One of the few "lefty" keyboards with controls on the right.
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 04/25/13 08:23 AM

And now we play "The Waiting Game"....
should be here by 5pm!
Posted by: marknz

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/02/13 12:41 AM

Just got the PX5 S in store yesterday here in New Zealand. After all the hype I couldn't wait to give it a go. I'm a believer. The Pianos are slightly better to my ears than the PX350 piano sounds which a very good, but the EPs are way better than anything I've ever heard from Casio before. Similarly the Synth and guitar sounds are way better than the standard casio range of sounds and I would say are now competitive to any other top brand on the market.
To fully understand what the PX5 S can do will take a bit of learning but I am very impressed.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/02/13 01:29 AM

Marknz,
Thanks for giving the PX-5S a try. thumb

We're getting ready for a firmware update which I think should be out in about a week. Along with that we'll be releasing a lot of new sounds including new acoustic pianos, electric pianos, synths and more.

We're getting some great new EP sounds out of it that are far different from what you played already, which just shows how flexible the engine in the PX-5S really is. Here is a quick example:

https://soundcloud.com/casiomusicgear/new-roadz-phased

We're posting new audio demos almost daily.

Again thanks for giving it a listen.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/02/13 01:45 AM

Mike, by 'new sounds', are you saying that the PX-5X is able to load new wave data/samples, or do you actually mean new presets - i.e. the same wave data/samples, but utilised in different ways?

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/02/13 04:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Mike, by 'new sounds', are you saying that the PX-5X is able to load new wave data/samples, or do you actually mean new presets - i.e. the same wave data/samples, but utilised in different ways?

Cheers,
James
x


Interesting question; I think the latter...
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/02/13 08:51 AM

No you can not load new samples in the PX-5S. But the PX-5S is a synthesizer and you can seriously modify and manipulate the sounds to create new custom ones. FWIW - We have added new samples in the upcoming firmware update. smile
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/02/13 09:33 AM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
No you can not load new samples in the PX-5S. But the PX-5S is a synthesizer and you can seriously modify and manipulate the sounds to create new custom ones. FWIW - We have added new samples in the upcoming firmware update. smile

Interesting. So even though the user cannot load new samples into the PX-5S, new samples can be loaded in via manufacturer supplied firmware update? That's pretty significant.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/02/13 09:39 AM

Interesting indeed. May I ask you to clarify this point please, Mike?

I wonder how large the samples stored in the firmware can be, and if all of the samples themselves can be replaced (i.e. ram, not rom).

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/02/13 09:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
No you can not load new samples in the PX-5S. But the PX-5S is a synthesizer and you can seriously modify and manipulate the sounds to create new custom ones. FWIW - We have added new samples in the upcoming firmware update. smile


Meaning you (as a user) cannot add new samples to the PX5 , but Casio as the developer can indeed add / exchange the underlying sample data. Interesting ! Could that possibly mean that when Casio records a new AP sample set in the future (for a new Privia series) , the current AP sample base could be exchanged by the new version as well ? I mean in theory , cause marketing probably won't allow that to happen, since it will eat away sales of the next generation of Privia series.

I understood the sample-set on the Numa Piano series can be exchanged in the same way by updated versions with a firmware update. That's what they may do for the little Numa Piano they said - adding some of the higher end Numa Concert sound-base.

If Casio goes along the same path the investment in a Privia seems even more worthwhile , since you can update the base sound set when better material is available. To what extend this will happen is of course unclear - upcoming Privia series with enhanced sounds have to be sold as well...Very curious about the upcoming update !
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/02/13 09:41 AM

Guys,
Do not read more into this than there is. We're supplementing the existing ROM with some more content in this firmware update. I would not expect more samples to be added.
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/02/13 09:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Guys,
Do not read more into this than there is. We're supplementing the existing ROM with some more content in this firmware update. I would not expect more samples to be added.


Point taken, but in theory it seems Casio could , if they wanted to, exchange the ROM sample data , which is a very interesting development and makes the product much more future proof and flexible. Also when a flaw is found in a particular sample or sample group (hello Roland) , these could be replaced by a new version. All very positive news if that is indeed the case . I mean this as a big plus for Casio - so I hope you are not being unpretentious about it if this is indeed possible. No matter to what extend Casio will use it in the end. PX5S is still full of surprises...
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/02/13 10:07 AM

As I said, don't read anything more into this than there is. wink

Yes in theory, anything is possible. Is is likely....that is a different story.

There is one more firmware update in the works that I know about after v1.10 and I'm trying to get them to put as much into the PX-5S as I can. At certain point however a line has to be drawn so we can move on to the next product. That doesn't meant that we're going to stop with sound/preset libraries for a very long time but things that are at the sample level, software and architecture level will likely be final.
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/02/13 10:24 AM

OK. Clear.

Extra (or user-customizable) touch curves in the PX5 in the requested features list please. If possible. Before development is halted and firmware is final. Thanks :-)

Cheers, J
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/02/13 11:18 AM

Originally Posted By: JFP
OK. Clear.

Extra (or user-customizable) touch curves in the PX5 in the requested features list please. If possible. Before development is halted and firmware is final. Thanks :-)

Cheers, J


I'll try. thumb
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/02/13 11:46 AM

Thanks Mike.

So "more content" means "new presets", not "new samples". Is this correct?

Apologies for pinning you down like a forum nerd. wink

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/02/13 12:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James

So "more content" means "new presets", not "new samples". Is this correct?

Apologies for pinning you down like a forum nerd. wink


From one nerd to another, the answer is Yes you are correct.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/02/13 12:25 PM

Woot!

Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/02/13 06:29 PM

Looking forward to the updates and the editor!


FYI - a website is being setup for Px5s users
to upload and download programs, sounds,
stage settings, etc. Lots of "grassroots"
support for this board!
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/08/13 12:31 PM

To all current PX5 owners who read this forum

How happy are you with your PX5 so far ?! Any pro's / con's you think you might share ? No issues so far ?

It's been around now for a little while so I was wondering how well the board performed considering there has been some time to play an tweak the PX now.

Thanks for the info (any info)

J
Posted by: Deltron

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/08/13 12:54 PM

I have decided im gonna get the PX-5S once it gets here, which most likely will be august. (Long wait, but i hope it will be worth it).
Also concidering getting the KRK Rokit 6 og 8, anyone have these?
Would it be recommended (for home use only) to get only one monitor?
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/15/13 10:01 PM

The v1.10 Firmware Update has just been posted.
http://support.casio.com/download.php?cid=008&pid=340&rgn=1

It includes the following updates:
• Improving the Key Follow function of Hex Layer.
• Adding a portamento function to the Melody tones and the Hex Layer tones.
• Adding a volume control to the Audio Recorder.
• Adding a volume control to the Damper Noise.
• Adding ‘Toggle Mode’ to the Pedal Function.
• Adding MIDI Rx message filters.
• Expanding the frequency range of the Master Equalizer.
• Expanding the frequency range of the DSP Equalizer.
• Adding a Fine tune to the DSP Pitch Shifter.
• Adding a Bypass to the System Effects and the Master Effects.
• Adding a destination parameters to the controllers (Knobs, Sliders, Modulation and Pedals).
• Adding a calibration function of the position of the Knobs.
• Adding a sample waves to the Hex Layer.

We've also gone through and revised/improved a number of the Stage Settings.

Instructions on installing the update:
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/16/13 02:22 AM

Great job!
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/16/13 06:38 AM

And the postage service rang the doorbell.....without a package the size of 88 keys - as was promised by the salesman ;-( Counted on trying the FW1.1 right away !

Seems the wait is not over yet. We'll I'm still waiting for that other ultimate keybed too, so Im getting used to it. (wonder why they call it 'Virtual' PC1 - has nothing to do with delivery times , does it ;-)

Great service of Casio and especially Mike. By the way - I noticed the editor is not online yet, although it is mentioned in the video instructions for backup purpose. Right ?
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/16/13 09:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Great job!


Thanks.

Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/16/13 09:51 AM

Originally Posted By: JFP

Great service of Casio and especially Mike. By the way - I noticed the editor is not online yet, although it is mentioned in the video instructions for backup purpose. Right ?


Hopefully the editor will be posted by tomorrow. Fingers crossed.
Posted by: Marko in Boston

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/17/13 07:51 PM

Mike giving us an awesome demo at Kraft. Well done! You make it look like so much fun.

Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/17/13 08:42 PM

Excellent demo.

The reed EPs sound nice and fat (phat?), and the psudeo expression pedal wah appears to work really well - definitely saves on having to pack an extra pedal just for funky clav.

The PX-5S is scarily good!

James
x
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/17/13 08:45 PM

smile

...and the EPs are even better now after the firmware update.

https://soundcloud.com/casiomusicgear/privia-px-5s-phased-roadz

https://soundcloud.com/casiomusicgear/privia-px-5s-roadz-panamp

The guys at Kraft made me look good. Those videos are not easy to do.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/17/13 09:03 PM

Yeah, those EPs are sounding pretty good, I guess... <-- (grumpy Nord owner)

Was the audio in the Kraft video recorded directly from the line outs? Or was there some mixing of the amp/speakers in the room too - perhaps from the voice mic? I can hear your fingers pressing buttons and playing the keys etc. I actually prefer it like this (rather than muting the mic every time some sound is played) - sounds much more natural and 'real'.

Cheers,
James
x
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/17/13 09:05 PM

They recorded the line outputs but the microphone I was wearing was picking up everything from the room. It is a very LIVE room.
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/18/13 06:13 PM

For all of you interested - the Midi solutions Pedal Controller + Roland DP10 solution to enable half damping on the PX5 works. There are still a few 'quirks' however:

Cabling A:
- MIDI OUT (Thru) of Casio PX5 is connected to the MIDI IN of the Pedal Controller for powering the unit.
- MIDI OUT of the pedal controller is connected to the MIDI IN of the Casio.

Settings A:
- Pedal controller is programmed to NOT echo the MIDI INPUT (to avoid MIDI doubles/ loops).
- Pedal controller is programmed to send out Damper controller data going linear from value 0 ~ 127 on MIDI channel 1 ~ 4.
- System Local Control = ON
- System settings set both MIDI OUT SELECT and USB OUT SELECT to 'KEY'.

Now the Casio plays fine , including half damper response. So far mission accomplished.

Suppose you want to use the Casio as a controller for external gear / software instruments on a computer as well. Problem: either the MIDI data from the Casio hardware is send (notes / controllers) OR the MIDI Input is routed over USB to the computer. But not both simultaneously. Meaning you either play your software without damper pedal, or you can play only the half-damper pedal to your software. A workaround is looping the MIDI output of the Casio back to the MIDI IN and use the PX5 in 'local-off' mode. Apart from extra latency, that 'almost' works ' ;

Cabling B:
- MIDI OUT (Thru) of Casio PX5 is connected to the MIDI IN of the Pedal Controller for powering the unit.
- MIDI OUT of the pedal controller is connected to the MIDI IN of the Casio.
- USB of the Casio is connected to a computer.

Settings B:
- Pedal controller is now programmed to ECHO the MIDI INPUT , so all note and controller info coming from the MIDI OUT of the Casio will be merged with the pedaling data en send to the MIDI IN of the Casio.
- System Local Control = OFF
- System MIDI OUT SELECT is KEY and USB OUT SELECT is set to MIDI.
- System USB IN ENABLE could be set to off , for safety - to avoid MIDI loops.
- Pedal controller is still programmed to send out Damper controller data going linear from value 0 ~ 127 on MIDI channel 1 ~ 4. You can change the min /max values , curve and offsets for the pedal response if you like to.

The Casio now sends it's key+control data to the Pedal Controller. This will be merged with the pedal data and send to the MIDI input of the Casio. The incoming MIDI data is mirrored over the USB output to the software instrument. A new problem is there is no way to silence the internal engine for the zone(s) in the stage settings. If you turn the zone off in Mixer edit of the stage settings; there is no MIDI data coming out of the PX5. If you turn only the Generator OFF in the stage MIDI settings, the internal engine will still sound in this particular setup (bug ?). So the way to hear ONLY the software instrument on a certain zone is by dialing back the volume of the internal sound on that zone to zero. It works, but I don't know if the tone is then still using up polyphony and processing, although the volume is zero.

I hope a future firmware update will provide a better way of setting up the PX5 for people wanting to combine the Casio with a MIDI Solutions Pedal Converter for half-damping and/or expression pedal in a hybrid setup with software sounds. IMHO if the System USB OUT SELECT setting can route both KEY and MIDI to the USB output that would already solve the problem.

Sorry for the long post; perhaps it's of use for someone and/or Casio make take notice and make some tweaks for firmware v1.2 ….
Posted by: xorbe

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/21/13 12:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Those videos are not easy to do.

QFT!!!
Posted by: willf

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/21/13 03:48 AM

Originally Posted By: JFP
For all of you interested - the Midi solutions Pedal Controller + Roland DP10 solution to enable half damping on the PX5 works. There are still a few 'quirks' however:

Cabling A:
- MIDI OUT (Thru) of Casio PX5 is connected to the MIDI IN of the Pedal Controller for powering the unit.
- MIDI OUT of the pedal controller is connected to the MIDI IN of the Casio.

Settings A:
- Pedal controller is programmed to NOT echo the MIDI INPUT (to avoid MIDI doubles/ loops).
- Pedal controller is programmed to send out Damper controller data going linear from value 0 ~ 127 on MIDI channel 1 ~ 4.
- System Local Control = ON
- System settings set both MIDI OUT SELECT and USB OUT SELECT to 'KEY'.

Now the Casio plays fine , including half damper response. So far mission accomplished.

Suppose you want to use the Casio as a controller for external gear / software instruments on a computer as well. Problem: either the MIDI data from the Casio hardware is send (notes / controllers) OR the MIDI Input is routed over USB to the computer. But not both simultaneously. Meaning you either play your software without damper pedal, or you can play only the half-damper pedal to your software. A workaround is looping the MIDI output of the Casio back to the MIDI IN and use the PX5 in 'local-off' mode. Apart from extra latency, that 'almost' works ' ;

Cabling B:
- MIDI OUT (Thru) of Casio PX5 is connected to the MIDI IN of the Pedal Controller for powering the unit.
- MIDI OUT of the pedal controller is connected to the MIDI IN of the Casio.
- USB of the Casio is connected to a computer.

Settings B:
- Pedal controller is now programmed to ECHO the MIDI INPUT , so all note and controller info coming from the MIDI OUT of the Casio will be merged with the pedaling data en send to the MIDI IN of the Casio.
- System Local Control = OFF
- System MIDI OUT SELECT is KEY and USB OUT SELECT is set to MIDI.
- System USB IN ENABLE could be set to off , for safety - to avoid MIDI loops.
- Pedal controller is still programmed to send out Damper controller data going linear from value 0 ~ 127 on MIDI channel 1 ~ 4. You can change the min /max values , curve and offsets for the pedal response if you like to.

The Casio now sends it's key+control data to the Pedal Controller. This will be merged with the pedal data and send to the MIDI input of the Casio. The incoming MIDI data is mirrored over the USB output to the software instrument. A new problem is there is no way to silence the internal engine for the zone(s) in the stage settings. If you turn the zone off in Mixer edit of the stage settings; there is no MIDI data coming out of the PX5. If you turn only the Generator OFF in the stage MIDI settings, the internal engine will still sound in this particular setup (bug ?). So the way to hear ONLY the software instrument on a certain zone is by dialing back the volume of the internal sound on that zone to zero. It works, but I don't know if the tone is then still using up polyphony and processing, although the volume is zero.

I hope a future firmware update will provide a better way of setting up the PX5 for people wanting to combine the Casio with a MIDI Solutions Pedal Converter for half-damping and/or expression pedal in a hybrid setup with software sounds. IMHO if the System USB OUT SELECT setting can route both KEY and MIDI to the USB output that would already solve the problem.

Sorry for the long post; perhaps it's of use for someone and/or Casio make take notice and make some tweaks for firmware v1.2 ….


JFP,

you could use a MIDI Solutions Power Adapter rather than using the PX-5S MIDI Out to provide power. Extra cost but it would simplify things.
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/21/13 06:56 AM

Thanks Willf, but why ? The MIDI OUT of the Casio is there anyway. Don't see any reason why you would add another box in this scenario.

The MIDI out connection to the Pedal controller is also great for programming the Pedal controller itself ! All you need to do is hook up your computer to the Casio and have it function as a MIDI interface to your MIDI solutions device (temporarily set System settings MIDI SELECT output = USB). Disconnect the cable going to your MIDI IN on the Casio while programming the Pedal Controller just to be sure. After programming the controller is done set the System settings back to MIDI SELECT output = KEY.

Simple, elegant setup and it works (did the programming myself in this setup, since I don't have any other MIDI interfaces anymore).
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/21/13 07:02 AM

Question about the PX5 audio input; is there a noise gate active on the audio input , or am I going crazy. When I play a software instrument trough the input it gets cut-off when dropping below a certain volume level in the sustain phase.

Checked it in three different cabling configurations and there IS really a signal going into the audio input (either Jack INPUTS or Mini-jack). So the cut-off happens in the Casio. A simple YES would help, so I can stop pulling my hair out on this subject. Wanted to use a software piano routed through the audio in of the Casio for easy setup, but if there is indeed a fixed noise gate , that can't be bypassed, I have to think of another mixing setup. Or is it a feature that can be turned of in a future firmware update. Hope it's not hardwired...

Any other PX5 users tried this ; is it my unit / general PX5 behavior ?
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/21/13 07:30 AM

I believe the answer is yes, but I will have to confirm.
Posted by: willf

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/21/13 07:41 AM

Originally Posted By: JFP
Thanks Willf, but why ? The MIDI OUT of the Casio is there anyway. Don't see any reason why you would add another box in this scenario.


I misunderstood your post. I though you wanted to use the PX-SS as a controller. So not tying up the Midi Out port to provide power I thought might be a help. I will admit that I am not familiar with Midi Solutions Products.
Posted by: peterws

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/21/13 06:07 PM

Blimey, this has been running for some time . . . . I like the look of that rascal . . .
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/21/13 09:56 PM

Originally Posted By: peterws
Blimey, this has been running for some time . . . . I like the look of that rascal . . .


Casio hit it out of the park with
this one, Peter. It's my "Swiss
Army Knife" board: it can do
a little of everything and it's
easy to schlep.

I think it will be on your side
of the pond late June or early July.
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/22/13 06:52 AM

Any confirmation on the noise gate ? And if it's something that can be by-passed (either now / or in a future firmware update) ?
Posted by: Vidar

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/23/13 03:15 AM

Hi

I have being listening to the soundclip/video's, at Youtube, of the new Casio PX 5S. Is there any audible string/sympathetic resonance ?
I know, from the manual, that you can increase the amount, but is it audible/noticeable ?

Thanks for any answers smile
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/23/13 03:28 PM

Not sure if you can hear it in audio demos. You probably need to play it and decided for yourself. That will likely be hard to do for awhile as far as finding one to demo in a store. Right now most are buying these site unseen. It appears to be a hit right now.
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/23/13 04:20 PM

YES there is. On a few presets even a bit too much, so you have to dial it back a bit. Which is possible of course.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/23/13 04:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Vidar
Hi

I have being listening to the soundclip/video's, at Youtube, of the new Casio PX 5S. Is there any audible string/sympathetic resonance ?
I know, from the manual, that you can increase the amount, but is it audible/noticeable ?

Thanks for any answers smile


I believe some of the damper resonance effects can be heard here:

https://soundcloud.com/casiomusicgear/privia-pro-px-5s-acoustic-1
Posted by: Vidar

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/23/13 04:29 PM

Thanks for quick answer. As many people, I have to buy the piano unseen, on inthernet shops. So therefore i need to know.

Best regards
Vidar
Posted by: b3maniac

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 05/25/13 10:02 PM

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Gig rig based on Casio gear, including new Privia Pro PX5S. Really enjoying the new board!
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/05/13 01:56 AM

This is an "initial impressions" review that I just posted at KC:

Just received my PX-5S this afternoon. I only had about forty-five minutes with it before I had to go out, so these are really only the scantiest of first impressions.

Before I did anything I updated the OS to 1.10. Thanks to the downloadable instructions it was a piece of cake to do the update. Thereafter, I did a quick walk through the preset stage settings, and swapped out some of the tones to get a sense of the range of sounds.

The overall impression I came away with was that this is one heck of a deal. For the money, I don't think there's anything that comes close, given its comprehensive and somewhat unique features, and to be honest I think it will put a huge dent in the sales figures for competing stage pianos.

For me, the most important sounds are APs, EPs and organs (although I rarely try to play organ from any weighted board). Does the PX-5S deliver enough for me in those categories? Maybe - I need to spend more time to see whether the basic sounds have enough appeal to make me want to play them on a regular basis.

Right now, I feel a little ambivalent about the APs, which are obviously almost identical to those on the PX-350. They don't quite have the polish and depth of, say, the Roland SuperNATURAL pianos, and tend to have a slightly short decay, most noticeable in the upper mids, similar to that which afflicts the Korg SV-1. However, the essential tone is very pleasant and quite realistic for the most part, and there is a good range of expression available.

As others have noted, the Wurli sample is very good. The other EPs will require me to spend a little time with them to see if I can dial in the kind of tone that works for me. At first listen they seemed fine, just lacking a little bark and bite. But there's a lot of variation available in the EP department, and some of the stage settings are really nicely executed. I must say that I was also pretty impressed with the Clavs, and particularly with the damper pedal control - I hadn't expected it to work nearly as well as it does. I don't use Clavs much, but I may be tempted to now!

Organs are surprisingly usable - and I confess that, once again, I didn't really expect that! I might want to actually make use of one or two patches to supplement either my Numa or VR-09.

The host of other sounds in the PX covers a lot of ground, but unfortunately I'm unlikely to make much use of the synth section/hex layers. That may be something of a waste, given how much power there is under the hood of this thing.

The action is fine for the physical weight of the board - neither too light nor too heavy. I will probably need to adjust the velocity curve, as I found the response a little jumpy, but that may be just because I'm not used to it yet. I liked the textured surface, as I do tend to suffer from sweaty hands during summer gigs.

It really is staggering how much is available in this board, and even more, how much hands-on control is offered. Tonally, it can't quite compete with the top end boards, IMO, but you simply can't complain about the value. I suspect it's the kind of board that requires a considerable investment of time to get the best out of it, and these days I prefer more instant gratification, but I have a suspicion that the rewards are there to be had for those prepared to devote the time and energy.

At 24lbs, the PX is in the company of the Numa Piano, the Nord Electro HP, the Yamaha P-105, and the (slightly heavier) Roland RD-64. Both the Numa and the Nord cost considerably more, and in some ways are not as competent as all-rounders. The RD costs the same, but is hampered by its short keyboard and lack of effects editing, and it has no synth engine. The Yamaha is cheaper, and includes speakers, but has only about two or three usable sounds, although I think the main AP patch is a notch above the Casio's.

I'm really hoping that I can make the PX-5S work for me. The tireless input from Mike, and the positive reports from nearly all the new owners led me to give it a try, and I'm very glad I have that opportunity. It'll be interesting to pair it with the uber-controversial VR-09 for the lightest two-tier rig I've ever possessed.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/05/13 07:57 AM

VoxPops,
Welcome to the club and thanks for the review. Don't forget to download and try some of the new EP and AP sounds over at the forum. There is also a nice Vox Continental and other sounds too.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/05/13 07:59 AM

Interesting reading, lots to think about - thanks VP!

James
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Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/05/13 09:03 AM

Thanks guys. Itching to spend some time on the PX today!
Posted by: dewster

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/05/13 05:37 PM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
This is an "initial impressions" review that I just posted at KC:

Thanks voxpops! The videos are impressive, I hope to run across it at the local GC one of these days.

I too feel that the AP voice could use a bit of work (short decay, plinky upper mids) and it's too bad it doesn't have built-in speakers. It's looped so likely no sale here (famous last words) but perhaps the next generation.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/05/13 09:11 PM

Originally Posted By: dewster
I too feel that the AP voice could use a bit of work (short decay, plinky upper mids) and it's too bad it doesn't have built-in speakers. It's looped so likely no sale here (famous last words) but perhaps the next generation.

I've been sitting here off and on this afternoon trying to get to grips with the PX. It's a very complex system - partly due to the Hex Layers. I must confess that I haven't extracted the manual from its plastic bag yet, so I've probably only myself to blame for spending too much time scratching my head. However, I got some very basic editing done, and have the beginnings of a set of workable patches for gigging.

I'm finding that the new Rhodes patches are pretty good for a sampled instrument (very meaty and with a lot of presence), and am looking forward to playing those, and the Wurlitzer patches, live. However, I'm also finding it tough to acclimatize to the acoustic piano "plinkiness" that's so noticeable in the octave that surrounds the C above middle C. That particular C is really dead-sounding, and I feel pretty sure it was a bad note in the original piano that was sampled - and with stretching, it affects a few others, too. I'll see how off-putting it is when playing with the band - it may be OK, but I hate being aware of things like that during a show. That particular issue has been around in all the pianos that drew on that sampling session, but it seems more obvious in the PX-5S - perhaps due to improved and clearer reproduction technology.

But don't get me wrong, I haven't changed my opinion at all on what a remarkable $1k package this instrument is. I'm VERY picky about piano sounds, and so tend to come across a little more negatively than some people (just ask KJ!). I was messing around playing a little piano with LH bass for a while, and I found the overall response very pleasing.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/05/13 09:42 PM

VP,
I'd be curious to hear your opinion of the Alternate pianos that we have for download when you have a chance
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/05/13 09:53 PM

Mike, I've played those only very briefly so far, but I'll certainly come back and report when I've had a chance to give them a thorough workout.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/05/13 09:55 PM

Great thanks. When you do, let me know what you're listening through
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/05/13 09:57 PM

I'm using a pair of Yamaha HS80M monitors at the moment - and they do reveal every detail (desirable or not!).
Posted by: dewster

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/05/13 10:10 PM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
However, I'm also finding it tough to acclimatize to the acoustic piano "plinkiness" that's so noticeable in the octave that surrounds the C above middle C.

Mike Martin, not trying to hold your feet to the fire or anything, but could you comment on this? Overall, the AP sounds pretty decent, but this particular range in all of the demos I've heard has something weird going on that jumps out at me. (And my condolences on your job - appeasing every nitpicker in the world must suck - very sorry to pile on.)
Posted by: dewster

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/05/13 10:13 PM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
I must confess that I haven't extracted the manual from its plastic bag yet...

RTFM! wink

I usually leave the manual in the bag in the box in the attic (easier to find when the inevitable resale occurs) and peruse the latest downloaded PDF.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/05/13 11:41 PM

OK, just spent a few minutes with two of the updated pianos, Piano<Dynamc and Piano/AltAtk.

To be honest, I find Piano<Dynamc limited in usefulness, as it feels almost like the velocity response has been turned off. Piano/AltAtk is more playable, and it does mask the plinkiness a little with the reduced level of attack - sounds quite pleasant for legato pieces. However both of these suffer from triggering quite loudly when a note is depressed slowly - much louder than I've ever heard before (and really it should be silent); sounds like the lowest velocity level might be somewhere around 30% up the scale or more, which means subtle they ain't!

Unfortunately, given there appears to be only one main piano sample, from which all the variations are derived, attempts to overcome the limitations within the sample set are band-aids at best. Never mind. As with the issues surrounding the Roland VR-09, I knew pretty much what I was letting myself in for before I took the plunge. It's an inexpensive multi-faceted keyboard that may not excel at any one aspect, but taken in toto, it covers a lot of sonic territory within its super-lightweight chassis.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/05/13 11:46 PM

Both of those have a narrow dynamic range. The response is matched to another brands product. I'll get you a version with the lower attack but wider dynamic range. ;-)
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/05/13 11:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
I'll get you a version with the lower attack but wider dynamic range. ;-)

Wow! Now that's service!!! Thanks, Mike.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/05/13 11:53 PM

Originally Posted By: dewster
Originally Posted By: voxpops
I must confess that I haven't extracted the manual from its plastic bag yet...

RTFM! wink

Why change the habit of a lifetime? wink
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/06/13 03:57 AM

Yup, the AP (sigh) ; I was fiddling with that too. But I knew what to expect, cause I listened very carefully to the sound demo's. That's why I wanted to combine it with a software AP routed through the PX5 right from the start. But only when playing at home and for pure piano parts. For a live situation I very much doubt if the 'plinkyness' higher up is an issue, it may even be an advantage ; having the bright sound pierce right through in the mix. You have so many tools available to shape the sound with the PX5. Played around with the velocity settings and other settings and by carefully balancing the parameters you can get a pretty good controllable AP preset in the end. I think that's what Mike is cooking up for you now too ;-) For the rest I agree; amazing package overall and soooo light ! IMHO the AP base sample set is the only part that really need a work-over for a next PX line in 2015 (?) - but just for the 5% of over-critical users like you and me ;-) Don't know if that (5%) carries enough weight, but nevertheless. If PX's are sold to the other 95% of key enthusiasts Casio has already hit a home-run anyway!
Posted by: dewster

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/06/13 06:05 AM

Originally Posted By: JFP
For a live situation I very much doubt if the 'plinkyness' higher up is an issue, it may even be an advantage ; having the bright sound pierce right through in the mix.

"Plinkyness" and short decay are two dead giveaways that I'm listening to a DP rather than a real AP - be it solo, in a band, or in a pop recording. I've inadvertently developed an antipathy to hearing either.

Last weekend at a yard sale my wife and I looked at an old Baldwin upright (40" so just barely out of the spinet category). Keys were surprisingly short to the pivot and a bit sluggish, but it sure did resonate with the pedal down.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/06/13 10:13 AM

Originally Posted By: JFP
IMHO the AP base sample set is the only part that really need a work-over for a next PX line in 2015 (?) - but just for the 5% of over-critical users like you and me ;-) Don't know if that (5%) carries enough weight, but nevertheless. If PX's are sold to the other 95% of key enthusiasts Casio has already hit a home-run anyway!

If Casio were to commission new high quality samples at the level of Nord's, they could rival any other DP out there, IMO.

I do hope that Casio has hit a home run with the PX-5S; that way the funds will be there to really push the envelope with the next series. And after all the effort put in to produce and refine this amazing little machine, they deserve that success. In fact, I would say that's a really good reason for me to keep the PX - to show solidarity with Mike and his team for the months of listening to fussy keyboard nerds, tweaking endlessly, and responding with good humor to hundreds of dumb (and some not-so-dumb) questions.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/06/13 11:06 AM

Originally Posted By: dewster
Originally Posted By: voxpops
However, I'm also finding it tough to acclimatize to the acoustic piano "plinkiness" that's so noticeable in the octave that surrounds the C above middle C.

Mike Martin, not trying to hold your feet to the fire or anything, but could you comment on this? Overall, the AP sounds pretty decent, but this particular range in all of the demos I've heard has something weird going on that jumps out at me. (And my condolences on your job - appeasing every nitpicker in the world must suck - very sorry to pile on.)


No one here will insult or offend me with criticism. All pianos sound different. Two acoustic pianos from the same brand will sound different. Try to mic them up to record them or sample them, you can easily get two radically different results.

I think the group at Casio Tokyo has done an amazing job with this piano sample. I actually think the range around C5 is very good. I do agree this was the range that needed work on the previous generation. I find it melodic and definitely not short. Without hearing what stylistically VoxPops is playing it is hard to comment further. Based on his comments I would suggest that he try the System Velocity set at Touch 3 which requires the most force to reach the highest dynamic. I think he'll find it more melodic as he plays softer. That combined with the alternate patch that I'll post later today, I think he'll find something that works well.

Also, we haven't posted any piano presets that utilize the insert or system EQ's to change the "upper mids", which btw you probably don't want to cut them out for playing live.

I've got some other piano sound variations in the works that I'm building from scratch using Hex Layers but it will be a little while before those are available. I'm taking some time off next week. thumb

In the end when VoxPops gets to a gig, he'll realize that live and in mono our pianos rival anything out there, regardless of price.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/07/13 01:03 AM

VoxPops - Here is another piano for you. See the link below. Lowered initial attack with full dynamic range as the original Concert Grand. I'd have to dig into programming a Hex Layer based piano do anything more radically different than this which I may do at a later date.

Leaving for vacation tomorrow. Catch you guys in a week or so.

http://www.casiomusicforums.com/index.php?/files/file/44-concert-grand-v2/
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/07/13 01:08 AM

Thank you very much, Mike - sincerely appreciated! I'll give it a try tomorrow. Have a great vacation!
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/07/13 01:09 AM

Awesome.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/07/13 01:23 AM

PS - That Grand Piano is not utilizing an insert effect. Slap the EQ effect in there and dial in to taste.
Posted by: JFP

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/07/13 03:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
VoxPops - Here is another piano for you. See the link below. Lowered initial attack with full dynamic range as the original Concert Grand. I'd have to dig into programming a Hex Layer based piano do anything more radically different than this which I may do at a later date.

Leaving for vacation tomorrow. Catch you guys in a week or so.

http://www.casiomusicforums.com/index.php?/files/file/44-concert-grand-v2/


Hex based piano ; that's going to be great - much more parameters to tweak the sound to your liking. Great service Mike and have a nice and well deserved holiday !
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/07/13 06:08 PM

Just spent literally a few seconds with Mike's new piano - sounds good! I've got to start getting gear together for tonight, so it'll be a "suck it and see" situation, but seems like Mike's done a great job creating a smoother piano tone. Just shows how flexible the PX is, even though I think I'll leave the programming to younger, more agile minds.

Don't know if I've mentioned this before, but The PX seems like the MP6's younger sibling. They both share similar hands-on plus in-depth control, and can both muster a range of sounds for tweaking. Obviously the PX has a much deeper synth capability, but essentially they do the same job. Nice!
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/09/13 05:10 PM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
Just spent literally a few seconds with Mike's new piano - sounds good! I've got to start getting gear together for tonight, so it'll be a "suck it and see" situation, but seems like Mike's done a great job creating a smoother piano tone. Just shows how flexible the PX is, even though I think I'll leave the programming to younger, more agile minds.


It's really cool once you "look under the hood" to see how the sounds are created and layered. For the less technically minded (like me), I do recommended using the free data editor to visually see how a sound is generated from the oscillator level, and then how the oscillators are all combined to make a hex-layer, and then how the hex-layers can combine to make the Stage Settings. It's a very powerful engine.
Posted by: xorbe

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/10/13 07:29 PM

@MM - How are you making these sounds, and can end users do the same thing?!
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/10/13 08:22 PM

For those needing a music rest for their PX-5S, I just discovered a useful, quick and dirty solution using the K&M 18880 and the Nord music rest. I was thinking about attaching brackets to the Casio to take the Nord or SV-1 rests when I discovered that the Nord rest is just long enough to be attached to the 18880 with suitable clips or other devices. At this stage it's not very aesthetically pleasing, but I'll work on that.





Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/10/13 08:36 PM

Originally Posted By: xorbe
@MM - How are you making these sounds, and can end users do the same thing?!


The front panel, nothing more
Posted by: Nomadness

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/10/13 10:42 PM

Looks good, Vox! I'll post my PX-5S music stand here too, just so anyone searching on this topic can see a variety of solutions in one place. I used a stock Manhasset music desk (20" wide and 12" tall) and raised it 5 inches with folding legs... then wrote a little how-to article:

http://nomadness.com/how-to/music-stand-px-5s-digital-piano

-Steve
Posted by: sabored

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/11/13 02:37 AM

How does the board on the Privia PX-350 compare with the PX-5s?


From the demos I've heard the PX-5s sounds way better, but I need something with built in speakers for improntu jam sessions
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/11/13 03:49 AM

Originally Posted By: sabored
How does the board on the Privia PX-350 compare with the PX-5s?


From the demos I've heard the PX-5s sounds way better, but I need something with built in speakers for improntu jam sessions


The keyboard action is the same but if built-in speakers are a deal-breaker, only the 350 has them: 2 x 8W


For me, though, the sonic power of the PX-5S makes it worth bringing a little battery powered amp with. Speaking of that, the PX-5S can run on 8aa's... you need power for the 350.

It all depends on what you need more. smile
Posted by: sabored

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/11/13 02:54 PM

Is the piano sound similar? What is AIR?
Is the PX-5S just a 350 with more synth tones and more flexibility?


Why can't Casio make a PX-5S with built in speakers! cry
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/11/13 03:25 PM

Originally Posted By: sabored
Is the piano sound similar? What is AIR?
Is the PX-5S just a 350 with more synth tones and more flexibility?


Why can't Casio make a PX-5S with built in speakers! cry


- The piano sounds are similar, but you can really dial in your "perfect" sound on the 5S.

- AiR stands for "Acoustic and intelligent Resonator" - you can read more about it here. http://www.casio-europe.com/euro/emi/airspecial/air/

- The PX-5S is a completely different beast than a 350. Completely.

- Not many stage pianos come with built in speakers. As for making the PX-5S with speakers: Where the speakers go on the 350 is where the sliders, knobs and battery compartment are on the PX-5S.


Honestly, you can't go wrong with either one. I like to design my own sounds and be able to load those made by others into my keyboards, so I choose the PX-5S.
Posted by: sabored

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/11/13 03:29 PM

Thanks for the help.

I need to do some more research, though I'm most likely going to settle on the 350.
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/11/13 03:46 PM

Originally Posted By: sabored
Thanks for the help.

I need to do some more research, though I'm most likely going to settle on the 350.


Happy to help. smile
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/11/13 03:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Plinky88
Not many stage pianos come with built in speakers.

There are quite a few that do, though. Roland FP50/80/4F/7F, Yamaha P155/CP300, Kawai ES7, Kurz SPS4-8, Korg SP250/280...

Originally Posted By: Plinky88
As for making the PX-5S with speakers: Where the speakers go on the 350 is where the sliders, knobs and battery compartment are on the PX-5S.

I'd rather have a speaker than the batteries, oh well.
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/11/13 03:55 PM

Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: Plinky88
Not many stage pianos come with built in speakers.

There are quite a few that do, though. Roland FP50/80/4F/7F, Yamaha P155/CP300, Kurz SPS4-8, Korg SP250/280...

Originally Posted By: Plinky88
As for making the PX-5S with speakers: Where the speakers go on the 350 is where the sliders, knobs and battery compartment are on the PX-5S.

I'd rather have a speaker than the batteries, oh well.


That's why I put "It all depends on what you need more." smile

And yes, the DP's you listed do have speakers, but most them are not what I would call (nor are they all marketed as) stage pianos. Most of them are home/live hybrids that are in a slab form and work great on-stage. Take the Korg SP80 marketing collateral, for example: "Beautiful piano sound, with a stylish design that matches your décor."

JMHO, of course. It is all semantics, after all. smile
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/11/13 04:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Plinky88
Take the Korg SP80 marketing collateral, for example: "Beautiful piano sound, with a stylish design that matches your décor."

That is indeed the first line of its web page. But guess what's in the title bar?
http://www.korg.com/sp280
"Portable Digital Stage Piano"
and the next paragraph... "ideal for your home or as a partner on stage."
I know what you mean though, it's semantics, but really, most if not all the ones I mentioned are marketed, at least in part, as stage pianos. Kawai ES7 offers an "Optional soft road case with wheels." The Kurz is on their stage piano page and not on their home piano page. And so on. But I do think that Casio did not put speakers in the model because they feel that the lack of speakers makes it seem "more professional" in terms of showroom floor perception (unfortunately).
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/11/13 04:48 PM

Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: Plinky88
Take the Korg SP80 marketing collateral, for example: "Beautiful piano sound, with a stylish design that matches your décor."

That is indeed the first line of its web page. But guess what's in the title bar?
http://www.korg.com/sp280
"Portable Digital Stage Piano"
and the next paragraph... "ideal for your home or as a partner on stage."
I know what you mean though, it's semantics, but really, most if not all the ones I mentioned are marketed, at least in part, as stage pianos. Kawai ES7 offers an "Optional soft road case with wheels." The Kurz is on their stage piano page and not on their home piano page. And so on. But I do think that Casio did not put speakers in the model because they feel that the lack of speakers makes it seem "more professional" in terms of showroom floor perception (unfortunately).


I don't want to get too OT, but I do know what you mean. I think most makers are trying to capture both the home and live markets by appealing to both. It's kind of like when they made SUV's a lot smaller and wagon or hatchback-like and still call them SUV's.

May make an interesting topic for a new thread. smile
Posted by: sabored

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/11/13 05:39 PM

It seems most makers never truly build something that's perfect for you. You can spend months searching for something that fits your needs and you won't find it. I'm stuck in that position now.

I think it has a lot to do with internal competition and not letting someone get what's best, although it's more than possible.

If a company went ahead and released a ~$1k keyboard that included nothing other than an extremely advanced piano sound, like something you would get in a $4k model, it would do great. It wouldn't cost them anything either, but now what reason do people have for buying the $4k model?

I have no doubt that they purposely and meticulously omit certain features over their product line up so people have to spend months searching. Or at least it seems that way mad


It never matters in the end though, you always learn to deal with what you've got.
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/11/13 05:51 PM

Originally Posted By: sabored
If a company went ahead and released a ~$1k keyboard that included nothing other than an extremely advanced piano sound, like something you would get in a $4k model, it would do great. It wouldn't cost them anything either, but now what reason do people have for buying the $4k model?

There are $4,000+ models that have, essentially, nothing but piano sounds. Check the Yamaha CP1 and Roland V-Piano. There's no reason to assume they could make these for $1,000. In fact, these companies make sub-$2k models that have piano sounds partially derived from these flagships (i.e. CP50, FP50) and these models have hundreds of other (non-piano) sounds as well. What that implies to me is that it is likely that the other sounds are relatively cheap, and the thing that's expensive is to get the piano sound as right as they can.
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/11/13 05:57 PM

Originally Posted By: sabored
It seems most makers never truly build something that's perfect for you. You can spend months searching for something that fits your needs and you won't find it. I'm stuck in that position now.

I think it has a lot to do with internal competition and not letting someone get what's best, although it's more than possible.

If a company went ahead and released a ~$1k keyboard that included nothing other than an extremely advanced piano sound, like something you would get in a $4k model, it would do great. It wouldn't cost them anything either, but now what reason do people have for buying the $4k model?

I have no doubt that they purposely and meticulously omit certain features over their product line up so people have to spend months searching. Or at least it seems that way mad


It never matters in the end though, you always learn to deal with what you've got.


Very well put. And it's all very personal, isn't it? What I think is important, you may not care about at all.

It's very wise to compare every option available and then decide what you can live with or without.

Let us know what you end up with!



Posted by: sabored

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/11/13 06:09 PM

I'd like to know how much it actually costs them to build these keyboards. I really can't see the price of one going over maybe $1,250 unless they use some kind of special wood or something.

Of course the sample gathering and programming is tedious, but if the same sounds are shared between 10 different models it shouldn't reflect.


But, honestly, I know absolutely nothing about the reality of the topic. So please don't mock me, just inform me crazy
Plastic is cheap!
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/11/13 06:25 PM

Originally Posted By: sabored
I'd like to know how much it actually costs them to build these keyboards. I really can't see the price of one going over maybe $1,250 unless they use some kind of special wood or something.

Of course the sample gathering and programming is tedious, but if the same sounds are shared between 10 different models it shouldn't reflect.


But, honestly, I know absolutely nothing about the reality of the topic. So please don't mock me, just inform me crazy
Plastic is cheap!


There's a lot more involved than you would think. Apart from R/D and manufacturing it, you need to market it, ship it, support it, and warranty it. Take all those incurred costs (and whatever I missed!) and then add in a well-earned profit for the manufacturer and the distributer and/or retailer.
Posted by: o0Ampy0o

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/12/13 01:04 AM

Originally Posted By: anotherscott
...I do think that Casio did not put speakers in the model because they feel that the lack of speakers makes it seem "more professional" in terms of showroom floor perception (unfortunately).

I'd go along with this had I not experienced something contrary in a showroom. Of course it will depend on the store but a lot of these will be sold through Guitar Centers and other stores with large inventories on display. When I checked out the PX5S at Guitar Center it was within one of three semi-enclosed rooms filled with keyboards ready to play. There were probably 50+ different keyboards to try.

Most of the keyboards within the three rooms were hooked up to external speakers. I think at least one piano in a wood cabinet was relying on its own speakers. A CP300 was being played through its built-in speakers and sounded very good. I suspect those speakers are better than what comes with most keyboards (the piano sound too). There was a large wall of keyboards on the outside of this three room area that had a few keyboards using their built-in speakers, I recall.

As far as showroom perception goes none or all could have had speakers and it wouldn't make a difference when they were hooked up to external speakers. Most/many(?) built-in speakers blend in with the top surface. The Yamaha CP300 is an exception looking like the speakers in the back window of a car but many built-in speakers on keyboards could go unnoticed in a showroom.

What visibly stands out in a showroom of slab pianos are the controls, lights, LED, and keys. The PX5S also stands out because it is white. If you were not looking for them you would not know whether it had built-in speakers or not. Once you get your hands on one I think speakers would be well down the list of things you investigated when trying one out in a showroom. I could see someone (relatively inexperienced and awestruck) buying one and not realizing it didn't have speakers until they set it up at home.

As Anotherscott has mentioned before, the PX5S body shares a lot of the PX-350's body/chasis. Casio did not build the PX5S from scratch. It was a trade-off. The speakers were probably tossed out as non-essential for a gigging piano/synth early in the planning stage. If they were going to aim for a light weight piano/synth using the PX-350 body/chasis as a base they had to find room for all of the synth ingredients. Removing speakers was an easy solution considering external speakers in some form are often used by gigging musicians.

If there had been room I think Casio would have included speakers in the PX5S because it isn't exclusively a professional stage piano. I think it may be appealing to people wanting a very nice piano with extra sound material/goodies that surpasses any of the extra sounds offered in other digital pianos at a price people can afford. It doesn't have the easy recording/lesson element but the synth will represent loads of fun for recreational enthusiasts.
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/12/13 03:22 AM

Originally Posted By: o0Ampy0o
If they were going to aim for a light weight piano/synth using the PX-350 body/chasis as a base they had to find room for all of the synth ingredients. Removing speakers was an easy solution considering external speakers in some form are often used by gigging musicians.

If there had been room I think Casio would have included speakers in the PX5S

I don't think so. I think Mike Martin has actually said that it was a decision based primarily on market positioning/perceptions, if not on the PX-5S, then on its predecessor the PX-3 (which was similarly a "more professional" unit based on the PX-330 chassis). I think some people are pre-disposed to not take keyboards with speakers seriously, and some people don't take Casios seriously, so having both of those "strikes" in the same box could be especially problematic! I think you have to look outside the world of DPs that we focus on here, and look at the PX-5S in terms of how it competes in the broader synth market to see this angle.

Another issue I think he raised about the PX-5S was that, on a showroom floor, a model with speakers might be played through its (small) speakers, while competitive models without speakers would necessarily be played through amps, which likely cost half again what the keyboard cost or more, and they would tend to sound better. And this is also related to market positioning... whether you're looking for the consumer who is going to be comparing your board to other boards with built in speakers, or the consumer who is more likely to be comparing your board to competitive models without speakers.

There are pros and cons to these things, I'm not saying I agree with not having speakers in it, but I do see the points. What I would have liked, which I think could make everyone happy, would be to ship the unit without speakers, and then have an optional speaker module that could be purchased and dropped into the chassis for those who want it.
Posted by: o0Ampy0o

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/12/13 04:34 AM

I thought about it later but I should have included that I am closer to the inexperienced awestruck guy that might walk out with a PX5S not knowing I needed to add speakers than anything except I am a pretty thorough researcher when shopping for something. I have mentioned a few times but also need to repeat that I am just a noodler on keyboards. So looking around a showroom is quite different for me.

I had a PX-350 that I returned while still eligible to prepare for a PX5S. By the time they were available in stores I had realized it was too much of what I would not use. I mainly used the PX-350 as a controller with software synths and pianos. I just play at home. I ended up opting for simplicity and picked up a PX-150.

In that post of yours I had quoted I did not think you were speaking of experienced professionals. Do you see them making the assessment that built-in speakers are less professional?

I wonder why Casio chose to use "Casio" when they started producing instruments for serious musicians. Why not start a separate division under a name that is not associated with Casio if they were interested in a professional instrument image. "Privia" designates a level but it is still Casio Privia. They had to push a rock up hill with that decision. Opinions of Casio are changing but isn't it easier to introduce something new than to change an opinion of something old?

Regarding the speaker output and its influence on perception of a product, if in the position I would have set up a showroom like I described at GC so people would focus on everything else about the keyboard and consider the speakers at the end.



Posted by: Deltron

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/12/13 12:23 PM

I was also tore between the PX-350 and the PX-5S. Chose to wait for the PX-5S, and am planning to get it in july/august. I am a bit afraid that it isnt going to be too user friendly though (concidering the reviews i have read). Would love built in speakers too, since it is mostly for home use, but i am still leaning over towards the PX-5S.
I know i have asked this before, but would anyone reckon external monitors as a disadvantage for homeuse? (board vibrating etc.)
Unfortunately no stores in my town carry the PX-350 and the PX-5S wont be here til august.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/12/13 01:19 PM

Deltron, personally I'm not overly keen on the speakers in the PX-350, and while it's nice to get a little tactile feedback from the speaker vibrations, if they don't sound good I'd rather use monitors anyway.

As to the user-friendly aspect, for basic use, once you understand the omnipresence of stage settings, it's easy to navigate. Programming can be a much deeper operation, particularly in respect of hex layers. I'm going to take my time on that front, and maybe play around a little using the PC editor - I wouldn't want to edit hex layers from the little LCD screen.
Posted by: xorbe

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/12/13 07:39 PM

No speakers because: it adds unwanted weight for its intended purpose, and would suck the life out of the batteries.
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/12/13 07:57 PM

I wouldn't mind if the speakers only operated when the unit was plugged into AC. (Though if the unit had a speaker, you probably couldn't have the battery compartment in the first place!)
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/12/13 09:53 PM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
Programming can be a much deeper operation, particularly in respect of hex layers. I'm going to take my time on that front, and maybe play around a little using the PC editor - I wouldn't want to edit hex layers from the little LCD screen.


I will say, once I spent some time with the Data Editor I understand the work and signal flow better, so I am MUCH more comfortable using the front panel to "dig deep". smile
Posted by: sabored

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/12/13 11:42 PM

Originally Posted By: anotherscott
...optional speaker module that could be purchased and dropped into the chassis for those who want it.


I wish.

Maybe we can beg Casio to build a few!
Who's with me? laugh
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/13/13 12:07 AM

Originally Posted By: sabored
Originally Posted By: anotherscott
...optional speaker module that could be purchased and dropped into the chassis for those who want it.


I wish.

Maybe we can beg Casio to build a few!
Who's with me? laugh

Well, I doubt it could be done now after the fact, but it would have been nice if it had been designed with that in mind.
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/13/13 12:51 AM

Maybe something like the Bose SoundLink Bluetooth Mobile speaker II or the mini version would sit comfortably on the battery cover. The battery is rechargeable, too, and so it doesn't necessarily have to be plugged in.
Posted by: Deltron

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/13/13 12:20 PM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
Deltron, personally I'm not overly keen on the speakers in the PX-350, and while it's nice to get a little tactile feedback from the speaker vibrations, if they don't sound good I'd rather use monitors anyway.

As to the user-friendly aspect, for basic use, once you understand the omnipresence of stage settings, it's easy to navigate. Programming can be a much deeper operation, particularly in respect of hex layers. I'm going to take my time on that front, and maybe play around a little using the PC editor - I wouldn't want to edit hex layers from the little LCD screen.


Thanks for the answer voxpops!
Gives me a little confidence that the PX-5S will be the right choice for me.
I have a little Logitech UE speaker that probably could double as a monitor for small jams, but im pretty sure it stops there, haha.

What monitor are you using with it, voxpops?
I am concidering a Rokit 5 monitor. Hopefully one will do for my little room.
Posted by: Kbeaumont

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/13/13 12:47 PM

The Rokit 5's are nice monitors, but depending on the sounds you want to create you might want a subwoofer too. I have the Rokit 5's and use them mostly for recording but I have used them on my MOX8.

I'm currently using a Roland CM-220 setup and it sounds great! The speakers will mount on standard microphone stands and I have used them live without issue. They can be real loud if needed.
CM-220 Link

There is also a less powerful version that would work just as well in the home studio. CM-110 Link
Posted by: voxpops

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/13/13 01:24 PM

Deltron, I have Yamaha HS80M monitors for home use. They're chunky, but very good with regard to fidelity (and don't require a sub). Otherwise, I use either a pair of Roland CM30 monitors for light stage/rehearsal use, a Roland SA300 stage amp for gigs, or Mackie SRM350s.

I'm still trying to learn to love the piano sample in the PX. It has quite a realistic tone to it, but those plinky notes still bug the heck out of me. They're not so noticeable in chords/octaves, but stand out with flashing beacons on them during single note runs. eek If you're trying to play a lyrical melody line, they really grate. Mike Martin's revised piano patch helps smooth them out, but also affects the attack adversely in lower ranges. However, my personal preference may not be the same as yours. A number of people find the metallic attack at high velocities in the Roland SN pianos unacceptable, whereas I can live with that, and, clearly, a lot of PX purchasers are quite happy with the AP patches as they stand. This, though, is where Nord wins (at 3x the price): you don't like the Yamaha sample? Try the Bosendorfer or the Fazioli. If the PX could load an updated sample set, it would truly be the bee's knees!
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/13/13 04:23 PM

Count me as one very happy with the AP sounds on the PX-5S
(and the PX-5S in general). As I said earlier when talking about speakers, it's all very subjective and personal. I do hope the hex-layer AP will cure what ails ya'! thumb
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/13/13 11:09 PM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
Maybe something like the Bose SoundLink Bluetooth Mobile speaker II or the mini version would sit comfortably on the battery cover. The battery is rechargeable, too, and so it doesn't necessarily have to be plugged in.

The SuperTooth Disco also looks like it could be a nice option, in terms of size, specs, and price.
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/14/13 12:24 AM

Originally Posted By: anotherscott

The SuperTooth Disco also looks like it could be a nice option, in terms of size, specs, and price.


If this is the one you are talking about, I like it. The blue LEDs match the PX-5S! Like that retro dial too. cool



Posted by: dewster

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/14/13 07:07 PM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
I'm still trying to learn to love the piano sample in the PX. It has quite a realistic tone to it, but those plinky notes still bug the heck out of me. They're not so noticeable in chords/octaves, but stand out with flashing beacons on them during single note runs. eek If you're trying to play a lyrical melody line, they really grate. Mike Martin's revised piano patch helps smooth them out, but also affects the attack adversely in lower ranges.

Oh man, I was hoping they could fix that. Unfortunately, once you hear the "plink" you can't un-hear it; and it just gets worse with repeated listening.
Posted by: sabored

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/15/13 03:38 AM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
...would sit comfortably on the battery cover.


Would anyone mind taking measurements of the battery cover/free space available near the battery cover?
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/15/13 05:44 AM

Originally Posted By: sabored
Originally Posted By: voxpops
...would sit comfortably on the battery cover.


Would anyone mind taking measurements of the battery cover/free space available near the battery cover?


The battery cover is about 10 1/2" x 4". You can get away with using a peripheral with a slightly larger footprint. The battery cover has a textured, almost rubberized surface so the grip is good, but I use a little Velcro to make sure my BR-800 stays in place.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/19/13 09:34 AM

Tonight at 7:30pm EST, I'll be doing a LIVE online clinic on the PX-5S. So if you have questions or there is something specific you'd like to see or hear, this is the time. This event will be recorded and then posted over on YouTube afterward. This format relies on your questions...otherwise you'll just see me staring into a camera. help

The event will be live at www.ustream.tv/casiomusicgear

When you get there you have to create an ustream account, then to the right of the video there is a Social Stream tab where you can type questions.

I hope to see you there.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/19/13 09:44 AM

thumb
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/19/13 02:26 PM

Update to my post above:
I found an option in Ustream so I've changed things. There is now a CHAT window next to the video. I removed the "Social Stream". I have also allowed anonymous people in the chat. So you can ask questions without having to link a Facebook or Ustream account.
Posted by: Tritium

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 06/19/13 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Deltron
Originally Posted By: voxpops
Deltron, personally I'm not overly keen on the speakers in the PX-350, and while it's nice to get a little tactile feedback from the speaker vibrations, if they don't sound good I'd rather use monitors anyway.

As to the user-friendly aspect, for basic use, once you understand the omnipresence of stage settings, it's easy to navigate. Programming can be a much deeper operation, particularly in respect of hex layers. I'm going to take my time on that front, and maybe play around a little using the PC editor - I wouldn't want to edit hex layers from the little LCD screen.


Thanks for the answer voxpops!
Gives me a little confidence that the PX-5S will be the right choice for me.
I have a little Logitech UE speaker that probably could double as a monitor for small jams, but im pretty sure it stops there, haha.

What monitor are you using with it, voxpops?
I am concidering a Rokit 5 monitor. Hopefully one will do for my little room.


Another recommendation I would make is for a Yamaha MSR100. Incredible value for the buck, and sounds terrific. I only use one of these, as I am not overly concerned with "stereo" imaging when playing a digital piano. I have never been let down by Yamaha products.

Also, out of left field...in the possibility that you also are a guitarist, then you might want to look at the Yamaha THR10. It is a modeling amp that has the form factor of a boom box, but is based around high quality FRFR speakers. So, you can use it either as a practice guitar amp, or, if you set the amp sim to "flat", it is perfect for a personal keyboard amp.

Cheers,
John
Posted by: Momo As

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 07/19/13 01:43 PM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
Maybe something like the Bose SoundLink Bluetooth Mobile speaker II or the mini version would sit comfortably on the battery cover. The battery is rechargeable, too, and so it doesn't necessarily have to be plugged in.


Im searchin for Speakers like the built in speakerd in the Kawai Es7, If you possibly heard them, would you say that the Bose Soundlink or another one would do the job? cause the speakers on the Es7 are perfect/enough for MY needs. So instead of waiting for a new modell of the Px5s with built in speakers, would you recommend me some battery powered speakers which I just could put on top the Px5s?
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 07/24/13 08:35 PM

Here's a preview of Stephane Deriau-Reine's new album, featuring the Casio PX-5S. All the music on the album will be made with the 5S, with the exception of the bass and drums.
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Casio PX-5S Live Clinic with Mike Martin - 09/10/13 06:27 PM



Tune in Thursday, September 12, 7:00pm eastern time at:
http://ustream.tv/casiomusicgear

smile
Posted by: xorbe

Re: Casio PX-5S Live Clinic with Mike Martin - 09/10/13 06:56 PM

Lol that's awesome, Mike is top notch.
Posted by: Amaruk

Re: Casio PX-5S Live Clinic with Mike Martin - 09/10/13 07:28 PM

Originally Posted By: xorbe
Lol that's awesome, Mike is top notch.

+1
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Casio PX-5S Live Clinic with Mike Martin - 09/10/13 07:33 PM

Very cool!

(both the live clinic, and the cool anime characterisation)

James
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Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: Casio PX-5S Live Clinic with Mike Martin - 09/10/13 11:29 PM

The graphics department did that on their own...without any input from me. LMAO. I never thought I'd be a cartoon.
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: Casio PX-5S Live Clinic with Mike Martin - 09/10/13 11:46 PM

Wow, nice. wink

I reckon you should use the head as your profile pic. wink

I might have to ask the folks here if they'll do something similar for me. wink

James
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Posted by: JFP

Re: Casio PX-5S Live Clinic with Mike Martin - 09/11/13 04:41 AM

Fabulous ! Mike will have his own cartoon series; he's starting to become a real celebrity , time for a late night show's appearance ;-)

Great idea such clinics ; proves (again) how involved Casio - and especially Mike - is with the end-users of their gear. Yammie / Roland / Korg pay attention !
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: Casio PX-5S Live Clinic with Mike Martin - 09/11/13 09:28 AM

Originally Posted By: voxpops
Maybe something like the Bose SoundLink Bluetooth Mobile speaker II or the mini version would sit comfortably on the battery cover. The battery is rechargeable, too, and so it doesn't necessarily have to be plugged in.


I have a similar one from Sony that I used exactly for that purpose when I was in a pinch and didn't have anything besides headphones. Worked perfectly.
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 09/11/13 10:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Plinky88
Originally Posted By: anotherscott

The SuperTooth Disco also looks like it could be a nice option, in terms of size, specs, and price.


If this is the one you are talking about, I like it. The blue LEDs match the PX-5S! Like that retro dial too. cool

I ended up trying one of those out and was not impressed. I'd like to try out the Bose some time.
Posted by: Doritos Flavoured

Re: Casio PX-5S Live Clinic with Mike Martin - 09/11/13 10:15 AM

haha, fine

PX-5S or PX-850 shall be my next DP, after many years of Yamy DGX-620. Kawai is out of reach here in Brazil and Roland is insanely expensive. Casio is all the rage these days and got some terrific new gear. I'm also sold by the passion Mike pours into the videos :thumbsup:
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: Casio PX-5S Live Clinic with Mike Martin - 09/13/13 11:14 AM

It looks like this might be a very nice speaker to pair with a PX-5S

http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/iloud/

The connections are on the back, but it looks like you could still lie the speaker down over the battery cover, and just let the connections essentially hang over the back of the PX-5S.

And darn, I missed Mike's presentation last night!
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: Casio PX-5S Live Clinic with Mike Martin - 09/13/13 11:31 AM

Originally Posted By: anotherscott


And darn, I missed Mike's presentation last night!


No worries, you can catch it anytime on YouTube. smile
Mike goes over: quick layering, hexlayer creation, arpeggiator editing and using the phrase sequencer. Great clinic, Mike. Thanks!

Posted by: xorbe

Re: Casio PX-5S Live Clinic with Mike Martin - 09/13/13 12:18 PM

Originally Posted By: anotherscott
iLoud

Did I read that right, $300 for battery powered speakers, that claims to be the first portable amp for musicians? o_O Damn, I'm working in the wrong field!!!
Posted by: anotherscott

Re: Casio PX-5S Live Clinic with Mike Martin - 09/13/13 03:59 PM

No worse than the Bose Soundlink II. I'm sure you can get better sound for $300... the question is whether you want to pay the premium to get the most usable sound you can out of a box that is that small (and that runs off a rechargeable battery). It's definitely a bit of a specialty device.
Posted by: Scott Hamlin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 11/21/13 05:52 PM

Just a heads-up to the PX-5S peeps.. Mike is having another PX-5S Live Clinic at http://ustream.com/casiomusicgear at 7:00pm ET (about an hour from this post). He is covering a bunch of functions and how-tos. smile
Posted by: Vincent L.

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 11/24/13 08:54 AM

These clinics Mike Martin runs are incredibly valuable! And he does an outstanding job at doing them live with so little "demo effects".
The Facebook group and PX-5S portal where all the links, patches and information are shared are outstandingly valuable as well.
One thing that I would like to hear or read about is the PX-5S used as a song composition and production tool, not only a stage/live performance DP.
How does it compare with the competitors' workstations once it is connected to a PC or Mac with a good sequencer/music production tool like Cubase.
One thing that I am impressed with is the integration of the Yamaha MOXF8 with the Steinberg Cubase AI.
Maybe I am easily impressed but I am tempted to do the effort and shell out the extra dough to get this Yamaha MOXF8 (that comes with Cubase AI) instead of the Casio right now. I intend to purchase my DP on black Friday or Cyber Monday.
I would like to know how the phrases sequencer on the PX-5S integrates with production tools (so we can edit the phrases, songs, ...), how the external sequencer will play the stage settings, hex layer voices ... It is a mystery right now. Did I miss this information in the Casio doc? A short video would be very helpful.
Another thing: I do not own any Apple product. And I am probably not the only one. What about a tool on Android devices? They are very capable, have USB Host capabilities (so no need for an extra kit like on the iPad).
Finally, I wonder if the Casio PX-5S editor could be made Open source (What language is it written with?). I happen to be a Software Developer for a living and I would love to be able to add some features and maybe share them back if I come up with something good & useful.

Thanks, Vincent
Posted by: galaxy4t

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 11/24/13 12:41 PM

I don't know if this applies to the MOXF line but I've read MX users state that Cubase AI has to be downloaded and it is done in stages taking several days before you have an actual working copy to be able to use.
Posted by: Mike_Martin

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 11/25/13 10:41 AM

Vincent,
We've already made a patch script for Cubase, Cakewalk and other DAWs like Reaper, so with any of those programs you can easily select sounds from the PX-5S and use it with your DAW.

One other nice thing about the PX-5S is that you have a lot of control over sounds from within your DAW using standard industry standard MIDI controller numbers. So you can easily control Filter, Resonance, Attack, Release, effects mixes and more. I'm actually going to make a "Device Panel" for Cubase soon to make it even easier but it is amazing how much control you have over individual sounds.
Posted by: rnaple

Re: I have a Casio PX-5S GAS - 11/25/13 07:43 PM

Gee Mike...that's impressive. Have to get me one of these one day.

Especially since I played a PX-150 today for the first time. I'm impressed. It's a whole lot better than my old CDP-100. I do like that key finish also.
I have to be very thankful for my CDP. It's keeping me practicing for the time being.