New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites!

Posted by: Temperament

New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/02/13 03:53 PM

With RM3-II (not GF) !!

Availability: 2013 march.

New CA-15
Posted by: JFP

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/02/13 04:00 PM

Looks nice. Just one small side-note ; no audio input. So if you ever get bored of the standard PHI piano sound and trow in a laptop, you'll have to use external speakers. For the rest a nice package. Fits nicely in between CN-34 and CA-65 (save for the bit more standard PHI with 192 voices and lack of audio-in).
Posted by: Temperament

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/02/13 04:17 PM

Originally Posted By: JFP
Looks nice. Just one small side-note ; no audio input. So if you ever get bored of the standard PHI piano sound and trow in a laptop, you'll have to use external speakers. For the rest a nice package. Fits nicely in between CN-34 and CA-65...lack of audio-in).


Well,
No USB either (You have to chose an audio interface with MIDI IN).
I think the cabinet will be just a good case for my Genelec monitors on the top of it - but I didn't expect to want to abandone them with CA65 or perhaps even with CA95 not.
Posted by: Kos

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/02/13 04:19 PM

So basically it's a VPC with a stand and internal sounds smile I wonder about the price though...
Posted by: adak

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/02/13 04:24 PM

I find the Kawai UK website to be much better than the US website.
Posted by: JFP

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/02/13 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Kos
So basically it's a VPC with a stand and internal sounds smile I wonder about the price though...


Basically it's a ca-13 with RM3-II thrown in as new feature. Price here with 21% VAT is € 1799
Posted by: Temperament

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/02/13 04:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Kos
So basically it's a VPC with a stand and internal sounds smile I wonder about the price though...


Manufacturer's price is the same as for CN34 (see price chart under "specification" of both). That is about the same as VPC with stand and additional music rest.

My question is, wether the sustain pedal is continous, and is it the same as on CA65?
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/02/13 06:44 PM

The CA15 is a direct successor to the CA13.

I posted the following in a separate thread last week, but it's perhaps worth reiterating here:

Originally Posted By: myself
The CA15 was announced by Kawai Japan on Monday.

Main improvements over the CA13:

- RM3 Grand II keyboard action (Ivory Touch, triple sensor, let-off)
- New tone generator (higher resolution reverb and resonance effects etc.)
- 192 note polyphony
- Key-off release
- 20W x 2 speaker system
- Grand Feel Pedal System
- Adjustable music rest
- Updated cabinet design


Originally Posted By: Temperament[/quote
My question is, wether the sustain pedal is continous, and is it the same as on CA65?


Yes, the CA15 features the same pedal functionality as the CA95/CA65, albeit without the 'Soft Pedal Depth' and 'Half Pedal Adjust' Virtual Technician parameters of the larger models.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted by: Kos

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/02/13 11:55 PM

Originally Posted By: JFP
Price here with 21% VAT is € 1799

Thanks, I'm guessing the price will be more or less the same across the EU.
I was mainly interested in this thing as a midi controller, but for that money I think I'll stick with the VPC.
Posted by: JFP

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/03/13 03:22 AM

Thanks James, didn't know about the other improvements, other than the new keybed. Are the new resonance and reverb effects the same as on the ES / CN34 series in quality ?

Cabinet is certainly nice - it's seems to be a CA-65 with reduced amp power, but same speaker and cabinet setup. Pity for the lack of audio-in - otherwise I would consider this an alternative to my coming VPC purchase. Don't want to put an extra speaker set around the CA-15 when I decide to add a software instrument . For the rest an nice upgrade from CA-13.
Posted by: Temperament

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/03/13 05:11 AM

Originally Posted By: JFP

Cabinet is certainly nice - it's seems to be a CA-65 with reduced amp power, but same speaker and cabinet setup. Pity for the lack of audio-in - otherwise I would consider this an alternative to my coming VPC purchase. Don't want to put an extra speaker set around the CA-15 when I decide to add a software instrument . For the rest an nice upgrade from CA-13.

I don't need the internal sound system at all, nonetheless it has following advantages over a MIDI Controller as the VPC:
  • It has a key lid
  • It has a decent music rest
  • It has a decent looking wooden stand
  • It has fixed pedals
  • Children and guests could have something to play on occasionally (when they don't have your laptop at home)
  • I also guess there will be a broader demand for a cabinet instrument on selling.

Nonetheless, it is a pitty that USB (with MIDI out) and a line in are lacking.

These are in the first line just built in small annoyances to support higher and product sells. (Admittedly, these are better than random beeps and noises and muted keys with SW shareware demos because there are some options as workaround.)
Posted by: mabraman

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/03/13 06:31 AM

Wouldn't a model that had it all (I mean a good standard level of sound development, conectivity, practical design and keybed) be unbeatable?
Or is there something I am missing?
One has things that others lack. They have different prices, of course, but many people don't want to pay the extra money-for-nothing or, in fact, chooses to pay just-a-little-more for a significant improvement.
What we have now is a bunch of models with mixed performances and prices that just confuse the customer.
Make it clear, make it good, make it last, make it clever, then I'll shut up and give my money to you.
Oh wait, it's all about someone becoming a millionaire.
Posted by: Temperament

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/03/13 06:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Main improvements over the CA13:

- RM3 Grand II keyboard action (Ivory Touch, triple sensor, let-off)
- New tone generator (higher resolution reverb and resonance effects etc.)
- 192 note polyphony
- Key-off release
- 20W x 2 speaker system
- Grand Feel Pedal System
- Adjustable music rest
- Updated cabinet design

With Key-off release did You mean let-off simulation?

Then one more PRO with CA15: key off MIDI velocity (s. manual)

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Originally Posted By: Temperament
My question is, wether the sustain pedal is continous, and is it the same as on CA65?
Yes, the CA15 features the same pedal functionality as the CA95/CA65, albeit without the 'Soft Pedal Depth' and 'Half Pedal Adjust' Virtual Technician parameters of the larger models.

Fine, Half Pedal hopefully means full continouos pedal velocity implementation (MIDI included) - If this is true, this is a point which could be stressed out all Kawai models implement continous pedal. (As we have just seen by lower Casio Models it is not common that half pedal is a continous implementation.)
This is important especially with SW instruments: with a jumps in pedal velocities are damper and pedal noises very rude - you turn them off completely with VintageD e.g.)

For this reason it would be interesting to know how many velocity steps are there. (For all models).
Posted by: Aeons Holle

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/03/13 07:51 AM

Temperament, I think I can shed some light on this (for the CA95 at least, but I assume it should work the same for other models with "Grand Feel Pedal System), as I recently investigated the CA95 pedal implementation due to some compatibility issues with software pianos.

The CA95 sustain pedal sends 25 different MIDI velocity values between the whole range of 0-127, in fairly equal steps of about 5. However the trigger points are not evenly distributed about the whole physical pedal range (as I assume to be the case with other continuous sustain pedals), but rather concentrated in an area near the pedal up point. I suppose Kawai has implemented it this way with the philosophy that the whole range of MIDI values 2-126 should be the half-center pedal range, and everything below the range would be damper up/pedal down (so nothing noteworthy should happen there, much like in a real grand).

In detail this means:
At the physical pedal up point no MIDI value is sent. Only after a short physical pedal travel (the initial slack) where the point of contact of damper lift rail would occur in a real grand, the CA95 pedal sends MIDI value = 0. The further travel range where the dampers have reduced damping capabilities then fires off all the MIDI values. At the point where the dampers in a real grand would lose all contact with the strings, the CA95 pedal sends MIDI value = 127. Over the whole remaining bit of pedal travel until the pedal bottoms out (no effect on sound on real grand), no further MIDI values are sent.

This can work well for halfpedaling if the receiving software is programmed accordingly to accept all MIDI values as part of the half pedal center range (the CA95 internal sound module obviously works fine).
However, unfortunately it does wreak havoc with any external software trying to calculate pedal noise volume from the time between the pedal up and pedal down MIDI events (or an implementation similar to this), as the travel distance is shorter between those two events on the CA95 as would commonly be expected. Thus the calculated volume result is way too high (for example in Galaxy's The Giant or the new virtual piano suite from VI Labs - True Keys: Pianos), or it doesn't work altogether like in Ivory II, where no pedal noises can be triggered at all by the CA95 pedal.
Moreover, in case it works the pedal down noise is already triggered at the damper disconnect point, before the pedal actually physically reaches the bottom - which also means it is triggered on every single pedal use, even if the pedal is not pushed further until physically reaching the bottom at all. In combination with the miscalculated pedal noise volume this obviously gets obnoxious really fast, so I tend to disable pedal noises completely in my software pianos.

So, while the Kawai CA95 pedal is definitely continuous and quite detailed at that (I think my old Yamaha CLP-170 only sent about 6 different values in steps of about 30), it is not linear continuous and thus does not completely work as intended when triggering a software piano.

I hope that at least the F30 pedal for the VPC is linear, since its sole purpose is to be used with software pianos.
Posted by: abitconfused

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/03/13 11:13 AM

Two questions I guess for 'Kawai James'...

1. With the 20 watt amp and 12cm speakers and 'New Harmonic Sound Engine', will the CA15 basically perform like a CN24 but with wooden keys and fewer voices? I rather like the CN24 and a version with an even better keybed would be interesting to me

2. Will the software curves defined for the VPC also work with the CA15?
Posted by: doume

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/03/13 12:04 PM

Hey

I'm french and sorry for my english.
I'm also a beginner whith piano.

I was looking for the kawai CA65, and now come this new CA15.

Are they realy differents ?

The CA15 has no USB port, how can we use MIDI IN instead of USB ?

doume
Posted by: Temperament

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/03/13 12:41 PM

Thanks, Aeons Holle for the very detailed informations.
(I could remember to have read about 24 velocity values, but couldn't find it anymore.)

Pianoteq has a wizzard for calibration of these velocities, and you can even define own velocity curve for the pedal travel.

My sold KAWAI CA-51 had sent only 8 velocity values in quite linear manner, but I couldn't configure VintageD with it to work properly - I guessed these discrete 8 values were too few for it to function properly.
Posted by: adak

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/03/13 01:47 PM

I love the look of these spinet pianos. Maybe someday I will buy one. I also like the look of stage pianos. Can a man have two pianos and be happy?
Posted by: kapelli

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/03/13 01:53 PM

You can have dozens of pianos and be happy smile
So you can choose the instrument accordingly to your mood and type of music.

Going back to Kawai, I don't understand why (it's to all manufacturers) they are putting the 12cm speakers to the piano... 16cm should be ok, but 12 is definitely to less...
The power is not so important as the size...
Posted by: Temperament

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/03/13 05:06 PM

Dear Aeons Holle, could You share some Guinea Pig-experiences with True Keys Pianos? Would be nice.

Originally Posted By: Aeons Holle
... or the new virtual piano suite from VI Labs - True Keys: Pianos)


By the way, could You share your experinces with True Keys and the CA-95? I am very curious.

Originally Posted By: Aeons Holle
I hope that at least the F30 pedal for the VPC is linear, since its sole purpose is to be used with software pianos.
Interesting (open) question....

Further, the most important question remains: do you listen to the SW-Instruments with Your CA95 over line-in? How the Sound Board behaves with them compared to the native sound of the CA95?

1000*Thx Attila
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/03/13 07:34 PM

Originally Posted By: abitconfused
Two questions I guess for 'Kawai James'...


Fire away!

Originally Posted By: abitconfused
1. With the 20 watt amp and 12cm speakers and 'New Harmonic Sound Engine', will the CA15 basically perform like a CN24 but with wooden keys and fewer voices?


Yes, this is a very close comparison. The CN24 and CA15 both share the same 'Progressive Harmonic Imaging' piano sampling, and utilise the new, more powerful tone generator with improved polyphony, reverb, and effects.

Originally Posted By: abitconfused
I rather like the CN24 and a version with an even better keybed would be interesting to me


The CA15 is a definite step-up over the CN24, yet retains the 'piano-oriented' focus.

Originally Posted By: abitconfused
2. Will the software curves defined for the VPC also work with the CA15?


No, I'm afraid not. The CA15 and VPC1 may share the same 'RM3 Grand II' keyboard action, however they are quite different in every other respect.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted by: abitconfused

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/04/13 03:18 AM

@KawaiJames-

Thank you for the clarification

This sounds like it could be a very nice piano. As with some others my only concern is the lack of line-in which is somewhat limiting: a kit enabling this could be a very attractive after-market option

To the poster who was concerned about speaker size: I've done a little bit of work on speaker design, and driver dimensions are not the only parameter when looking for low frequency extension or general sound quality. One really needs to hear how the instrument sounds in person before drawing conclusions on this point
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/04/13 03:45 AM

abitconfused, I understand your suggestion about the line-in. However, the CA15 is intended as an introduction to the 'Concert Artist' series - essentially an affordable piano-oriented DP, with the emphasis on the keyboard action and piano sound, rather than additional features.

I share your opinion about the speakers too. The CA15 (like the previous generation CA13) has a particularly good sound system, despite its relatively compact size.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted by: mactoe

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/06/13 08:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
...with the emphasis on the keyboard action and piano sound, rather than additional features.


This.
Posted by: abitconfused

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/08/13 03:24 PM

Originally Posted By: JFP

Basically it's a ca-13 with RM3-II thrown in as new feature. Price here with 21% VAT is € 1799

It's just been listed on Thomann for that price with a delivery date of 30 April

The VPC is Euro 1325 and listed as available now(!) and the CA-65 is Euro 2269. CN-34 is Euro 1499

I personally feel they've priced the CA-15 a bit high in comparison to the others for its features and my interest has dropped a bit
Posted by: doume

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/09/13 07:45 AM

The CA15 has no USB port, but is it realy expansive for KAWAI to add this option ?
And how can we do the same thing with a MIDI port ?
Posted by: debrucey

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/09/13 10:38 AM

I think I am set on buying this one when it comes out. Has anyone here played on the VPC1? I presume the action will be identical.
Posted by: adak

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/10/13 10:06 AM

What is the best Kawai action? Is it the GF? How are all the current actions ranked? Which pianos have the GF action?
Posted by: Temperament

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/10/13 10:35 AM

GF-s action is momentarily available with the CA65, CA95,
RM3-II with CA15 and VPC1

I am very interested too, whether by which margin and to which extent GF is superior to RM3-II? What features are different?
(weighting, responsiveness, hardness, stiffness, noise, repetition...subjective feeling)

What parameters of GF are superb, what of RM3-II?

Is it conceivable to prefer RM3-II to the GF (disregard price)?

I understand, that GF key length is significantly longer and in theory it should be a clear advantage, but how in praxis?

Posted by: adak

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/10/13 11:48 AM

Does anyone else find the music stand looks short? How does it hold individual sheets of music? If there is a problem I hope it gets fixed in the next upgrade.
Posted by: gvfarns

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/10/13 12:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Temperament
What parameters of GF are superb, what of RM3-II?

Is it conceivable to prefer RM3-II to the GF (disregard price)?

I understand, that GF key length is significantly longer and in theory it should be a clear advantage, but how in praxis?


I think we all want to know this--I know I do. Unfortunately only a few people have played both and reported back. My feeling looking over the comments of people who have played both it seems that the differences are not very large. At least not large enough that they immediately get reported.
Posted by: mactoe

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/21/13 05:45 PM

Kawai CA15, March 2013

Unboxing. Assembly. Playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SxF6sPg1JY
Posted by: theJourney

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/22/13 02:56 AM

Originally Posted By: mactoe
Kawai CA15, March 2013

Unboxing. Assembly. Playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SxF6sPg1JY


Great video!

Especially appreciate the segment demonstrating the sound of the keys during silent play. What a quiet keyboard! Perhaps one of the best dps out there for silent play without disturbing house mates or (downstairs) neighbors!
Posted by: Kawai James

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/22/13 03:29 AM

Originally Posted By: mactoe
Kawai CA15, March 2013

Unboxing. Assembly. Playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SxF6sPg1JY


Thank you for the video mactoe.

The inclusion of the bench suggests that you are not based in Europe, and this model is not sold in North America, which leads me to believe you may be based in Asia.

Anyway, thank you once again for posting the video, and congrats on your new piano!

Kind regards,
James
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Posted by: mabraman

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/22/13 03:50 AM

Hardboard!Hardboard!
Could someone add this to the improvements list?

Now, seriously: when talking about a new or improved tone generator, what do you exactly mean? Is it better than, i.e.,ES7?
Posted by: sieg66

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/23/13 06:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Temperament
I am very interested too, whether by which margin and to which extent GF is superior to RM3-II? What features are different?
(weighting, responsiveness, hardness, stiffness, noise, repetition...subjective feeling)

What parameters of GF are superb, what of RM3-II?

Is it conceivable to prefer RM3-II to the GF (disregard price)?

I understand, that GF key length is significantly longer and in theory it should be a clear advantage, but how in praxis?

I haven't tried RM3-II but I did try RM3-I and GF. The first was a bit to heavy for me, and the second was slightly to light. Some weights in the back of the key could have been a solution. Nonetheless, the long distance to pivot is nice.
Posted by: maurus

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/23/13 06:37 PM

Same here, I also compared RM3-I and GF recently (since I'm interested in the VPC which also features RM3-II). Both actions (played without sound) are very good, and while the longer keys are nice for sure and make for a very enjoyable playing (I tried it on the CA65) I would think both actions are so nice that it all depends on how well sound and action are integrated.

Of course the third sensor is crucial as it influences the behavior of the action, hence RM3-I goes only so far as a comparison.
Posted by: theJourney

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/24/13 08:31 AM

Originally Posted By: maurus
I would think both actions are so nice that it all depends on how well sound and action are integrated.


Indeed.

This is the reason I prefer Roland's offering. The keyboard may not have any wood in it like Kawai's, but the PHAIII keyboard is fast and responsive and its integration with a realistic, alive sounding tone generator is very well done allowing one to articulate and color.
Posted by: mactoe

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 03/26/13 09:12 PM

Originally Posted By: theJourney


Great video!

Especially appreciate the segment demonstrating the sound of the keys during silent play. What a quiet keyboard! Perhaps one of the best dps out there for silent play without disturbing house mates or (downstairs) neighbors!


The Audio Technica headphones, in the vid, do have a slight "noise leakage" at mid volume. So sound can be slightly heard from it if seated in close proximity.

Etymotic's hf5 earphones, not in vid but used on occasion, at the same level, however, produce no "noise leakage."

Saying that, I can quite comfortably be in the next room without being disturbed with either 'phone being used.

We did look at others models and piano brands, notably the Yamaha CLP430-440, if i can recall correctly. For what it is, the CA15 ticked all the requirements.

Originally Posted By: Kawai James


Thank you for the video mactoe.

The inclusion of the bench suggests that you are not based in Europe, and this model is not sold in North America, which leads me to believe you may be based in Asia.

Anyway, thank you once again for posting the video, and congrats on your new piano!

Kind regards,
James
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smile

No worries.

Posted by: cubeman

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 04/20/13 09:22 PM

Hello all,

Came across this very nice video and thought might be good to share!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyUKWsBmGro
Posted by: peterws

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 04/21/13 04:56 AM

Good stuff for the kids! Reminds me of my ole Kawai . . . However good or bad one finds the piano, it is capable of playing excellent music! Are we? cursing
Posted by: Barnie

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 04/21/13 06:24 AM

Yesterday I went to a shop in Copenhagen, which have both in stock. After playing af range of different acoustic grands and uprights, I tried bot Roland, Yamaha and Kawai digitals.

Roland and Yamaha both felt unnatural to me, so it all went down to CA-15 and CA-65 (CA-95 was out of my pricerange).

I can confirm, that GF is lighter than RM3-II, which again seemed very much like RM3-I to me. Comparing to the acoustics, the GF was the one closest to the action of a grand.

At the end of the day I ended up with the CA-65. The acoustics were pretty much comparable to CA-65, with the exception being Steinway grands, which are in a league of their own (yet costs 20 times as much).

The sound of the CA-95 is a whole lot better than the CA-65, but most of the time I will be playing with headphones, so I couldn't really see why I should spend £800 more. If I want better sound, I will get a pianolibrary for the computer and connect with external amplifiers.

Just my 2-cents for now
Posted by: toddy

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 04/21/13 10:12 AM

Good stuff for the kids!

lol

Don't know exactly what this means but 'lol' in any case.

ps, it's nicely recorded and gives a brighter, possibly more sustained, sound than my Roland. The Roland, on the other hand, is more rounded and has more body & the decay is more natural. But they are not very different when put right next to each other in 'the same mix'.
Posted by: Temperament

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 04/21/13 11:25 AM

Thank You Barnie, Your comparison was the first one and very long awaited for. (GF vs. RM3-II).

Could You build an opinion about other aspects of the actions, was the GF of the CA65 in every other respect better or at least equal, regarding responsiveness, fast repetition, smooth and silent bottoming. (I found the GF quiet enough but interesting would be a direct comparison though.)

Originally Posted By: Barnie
The sound of the CA-95 is a whole lot better than the CA-65, but most of the time I will be playing with headphones, so I couldn't really see why I should spend £800 more. If I want better sound, I will get a piano library for the computer and connect with external amplifiers.


I have sort of decided to get the CA65 for the same reason, but in the last time I happen to play more without headphones (partly for my neck problems, I will avoid weight of headphones with cords give some (though) extra physical burden to the herniated discs.)
So I am willing to spend 800EUR more for the CA95 but I was awaiting just for these type of comparison.

OTOH the extra cost for CA-95 is justified only if sound quality fed back from VSTis like Galaxy (VintageD, ViennaGrand) and Pianoteq using a quality audio interface to the Speaker/Soundboard system works well enough and I don't feel the need to use some extra boxes+subs afterwards anymore. Some thoughts/experiences?
Posted by: Barnie

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 04/21/13 01:51 PM

I had the wife with me, and according to her, the GF is slightly more silent that RM3-II, but both are quite silent.

As far as I could tell, I didn't find the GF less competent in any area than the RM3-II. Though a bit lighter, I didn't it feel run from me like I do with some acoustic grands. I would place it in the lighter class, but the Steinway I did my warmup on was even lighter.

I have yet to connect it to a VSTi, but pianoteq has already been downloaded, so will try it out in near future. The CA-95 primarily differed in the bass. It can be a bit shallow in CA-65, whereas it is felt even through the pedals on the CA-95. Quite impressive, but still for me not enough to justify the pricegap.
Posted by: Barnie

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 04/24/13 03:50 AM

Originally Posted By: adak
Does anyone else find the music stand looks short? How does it hold individual sheets of music? If there is a problem I hope it gets fixed in the next upgrade.


The stand on CA-15 is identical to those on CA-65 and CA-95. It is indeed a bit short, and sometimes single sheets tend to bend over. A slight vertical fold helps though, and the strip of cloth helps holding up the sheets.
Posted by: debrucey

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 04/24/13 06:31 AM

All digital piano music stands are too short.
Posted by: kapelli

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 01/25/14 12:16 PM

I have a question concerning ins and outs in CA15.
Is it possible to play the VST instrumenty via internal speakers?
Posted by: evamar

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 01/26/14 03:14 AM

Originally Posted By: kapelli
I have a question concerning ins and outs in CA15.
Is it possible to play the VST instrumenty via internal speakers?


It's got MIDI in/out and 2 headphone jacks. Maybe with a MIDI-USB connector? I didn't buy it because it doesn't have USB to device connector, other than that the sound and specially the touch was extremely good.
Posted by: toddy

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 01/26/14 05:32 AM

Originally Posted By: kapelli
I have a question concerning ins and outs in CA15.
Is it possible to play the VST instrumenty via internal speakers?


Although you can use the CA15 as a VST controller (like any DP) it does not appear to have audio inputs. So, no - you couldn't use it play a VST - the CA65/95 does have audio inputs, though.
Posted by: LarryMan

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 01/26/14 05:52 AM

Hi there,

According to the manual it has MIDI IN and MIDI OUT.
They can be of any help with VSD?
Posted by: kapelli

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 01/26/14 06:52 AM

Originally Posted By: toddy
Originally Posted By: kapelli
I have a question concerning ins and outs in CA15.
Is it possible to play the VST instrumenty via internal speakers?


Although you can use the CA15 as a VST controller (like any DP) it does not appear to have audio inputs. So, no - you couldn't use it play a VST - the CA65/95 does have audio inputs, though.


Thanks for clarification, it's a pity that they did so much of savings in a such good piano, no usb no audio
Posted by: toddy

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 01/26/14 06:54 AM

Yes, you need MIDI OUT so the keyboard can send messages to the computer, to trigger the piano tones in the computer. All digital pianos (without any exception as far as I
know) have this capability, or MIDI over USB (which amounts to the same thing).

However, the questioner said they wanted to play the resulting sound from the computer through the piano. You'd need audio inputs to do this. You can't do this on the CA15, but you can on the CA65 & CA95 - as well as the Yamaha CLP 440 and Roland HP505 (which are roughly equivalent models).
Posted by: LarryMan

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 01/26/14 09:34 AM

I had in mind that MIDI IN could help on that..sorry

What the MID IN interface be useful for?

Thanks
Posted by: toddy

Re: New Kawai CA-15 on KAWAI UK and Germany websites! - 01/26/14 09:50 AM

The big difference between MIDI and audio inputs (called 'line' or 'aux' usually) is that MIDI does not deal in sound at all - it just sends messages from one electronic box to another - basically about which notes are being played, but much more besides.

So the MIDI IN on a DP would be to send messages from a computer to trigger sounds inside the DP or to change patch, for example. Generally speaking, it is the MIDI OUT on a DP (or other keyboard) which is more important because that transmits which keys you're actually playing, and how. And that is what you'd be using to make the VST work in the computer.