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#263402 - 10/13/05 09:00 AM Pearl River's... any good?
JLDS Offline
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Registered: 10/12/05
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Loc: Quebec
Hello all,

I am new to this forum but I thought that joining in would help me in buying a piano for my fiancee...

She is a good piano player (12 years lessons behind her) but we don't have a piano at home and she is dreadfully missing one. We live in Rimouski, a small town east of Quebec city (canada) where there is very little choice of piano dealers (only one actually). I have looked at pianos in Quebec city and saw a few yamahas (her favourite) but they seem a bit too expensive for our budget.

Here in Rimouski, the dealer has a Pearl River UP108 (for 3 500 CAN$). Since I have been looking for a used yamaha in that price range but cannot find anything, I was wondering if the PR would be a good temporary piano for a few years. I know the eternal debate about chinese vs japanese and I don't want to get into it. But are the Pearls that bad a piano? Havn't they gotten better in the past years? What my girl-friend likes about yamahas is the "touch" (not being a pianist myself, I'm not sure wether this is the correct term); when she does "trills" she finds yamahas respond nicely. Will the PR be equivalent? Also, is this a good price for a PU108 (2970 US$ or 2488 euros).

As this is meant to be a surprise, I cannot take her to the shop to try it out. I am going with a pianist friend who nows yamahas to see what he thinks, but I would greatly appreciate some input on the matter.

Thanks.

Julien.

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#263403 - 10/13/05 09:15 AM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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Pearl River's are not Steinways and they never will be. BUT, IMHO they are a good piano for the price. I believe they are one of the better values out there and that they make an excellent "starter" piano.

Good luck.
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#263404 - 10/13/05 09:20 AM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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Julien,

Other than you, I may be the only member of PianoWorld who has been to Rimouski!

I have played on Pearl River pianos only once, so my views are not meant to represent all PR pianos. My local Yamaha dealer sells Pearls as well as Yamahas (and the occasional Petrof). When I played the Pearls and the Yamahas back to back the Yamahas won the competition hands down. Their tone and action were clearly superior. They also cost a lot more!

As a budget piano the Pearl seems like a decent choice, but I strongly second your plan to take a pianist friend with you. Also, don't restrict your search to Pearl River pianos. Go on down to Montreal if you need to and look more widely. Take the friend with you and make a day of it! You may find some nice gently used pianos that dominate the Pearl that you have seen.

Best,

David F

P.S. Also remember that quoted prices are always negotiable
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#263405 - 10/13/05 09:43 AM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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Welcome to the forum, JLDS! I think Pearl Rivers can be an excellent starter piano. As for price, it is a little hard to determine, as Larry Fine's 2005-2006 price supplement lists 3 different models of UP-108 (the D3, M2, and T2) in several different finishes, for a total of 8 separate price listings. These 8 prices range from a low of $2640 for the 108D3 to a high of $3530 for the 108T2 (polished white ; trust me on this, you do NOT want to surprise your fiancee with a white piano!).

These prices are in US dollars, and they represent a "starting" value from which you can expect a 15-25% or so discount. So I am suspecting that the price quoted to you at the dealer was the starting price, and you should definitely engage in some negotiating and attempt to get the piano for a lower price. Your somewhat remote area and fewer dealers to choose from may limit the discount you get, but you should probably not pay asking price. (And, it is routine for the dealer to throw in a free bench, free local delivery, and two free tunings the first year.)

Can I offer one last piece of advice? Pianos are very very subjective, and one that may appeal to your pianist friend may not appeal to your fiancee and vice versa. I think it is very sweet and romantic that you want to surprise her with it , but a piano is too individualized and expensive of a purchase to take such chances. Can I offer a compromise? Why not get a brochure from the Pearl River dealer (or whoever you end up going with) with glossy photos of the piano, wrap it up in a box, and then surprise her with the brochure? You can then say something like "Of course, I want you to try this out and make sure you'd be happy with it before we get it delivered." That way you'd have the benefit of the surprise but not be taking such a risk.

Hope that helps, and good luck! Let us know how the surprise went.
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#263406 - 10/13/05 10:02 AM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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a couple things.. i myself consider touch and responsiveness very important and do not feel the
Pearl Rivers deliver in that department.

..if this is to be a 'starter piano' you might consider dealing with a larger dealer with a greater selection and a 'trade in policy' so you will not lose money on your initial purchase.

.. I too hope you choose the 'benetif of the surprise' rather than the piano itself.. choosing is such a marvelous adventure.
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#263407 - 10/13/05 11:19 AM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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I certainly wouldn't pay $3,500 for a Pearl River 40" piano.

A local dealer here keeps advertising at least 10 of his new *Ritmueller* grands [wich are Pearl Rivers...] for a lousy $ 1,988!!

That's about U.S $1,500 !!

He shows even 10 pictures with his ad........

web page

norbert \:\(
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#263408 - 10/13/05 12:59 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
Piano*Dad Offline
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Oh my gosh, a dealer talking price!! \:\)
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#263409 - 10/13/05 01:00 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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Norbert,

That sounds like a great dealer there! $1988 and even less for cash!!! Is there even a grand piano of any make/size for that price? Ritmuller is supposed to be the higher grade Pearl River. I can't make it out on that piano, but it doesn't look like it says Ritmuller.

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#263410 - 10/13/05 01:08 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
JLDS Offline
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Loc: Quebec
Norbert,

I've done a little research by phone on the Pearl Rivers in Quebec... They are all in the same price range...

Now, I wonder how those pianos you are talking about can be so cheap...

julien.

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#263411 - 10/13/05 01:09 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
Norbert Offline
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Their fantastic prices!!

According to that,a new 42" upright should be about $ 500 new!

I'd call this dealer from anywhere in North America and simply place my order over the phone!

norbert
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#263412 - 10/13/05 01:10 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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How about that Pramberger with "craftsmanship dating back to the 1700's!"

Another honest dealer discovered!
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#263413 - 10/13/05 01:25 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
Agathis Offline
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Loc: Southwest
wow norbert, thats the lowest i've seen on a *grand.* funny, had a guy try to sell me a ritmueller/pearl river for 4900 + tax and delivery... he swore it was yamahas "European" version of the U1. designed for a better more euro sound than the U1


on the $500 42 inch, i'll take 3, make it 4, i'll buy one for moms house too..

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#263414 - 10/13/05 01:47 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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Loc: Ski Country of Colorado
Further down the page a Ritmuller 7' is under 20k, which is about the usual price.

Is he showing a Ritmuller in the picture and selling a clunker?
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#263415 - 10/13/05 01:48 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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Registered: 08/16/05
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A grand piano for $1988.00. Is it a kit, that you put together yourself?

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#263416 - 10/13/05 02:09 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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Registered: 10/17/03
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Loc: Midwest of the great USA
For what its worth, some Yamaha models (for other countries) are made in the Pearl River factory & Steinway recently contracted with Pearl River to make their Essex model.

If I were you, I would NOT buy a piano for your fiancee. I would wrap up a minature piano in a pretty box with a certificate that said something along the lines of "good for 1 piano up to $xxxx"
Part of the fun is shopping for your own!

Good luck.

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#263417 - 10/13/05 02:12 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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Registered: 07/12/03
Posts: 55
Loc: Texas
I have tried a couple of PR, the last one about a year ago. I thought their weakest element was the action; that's the part of the piano that is directly related to touch and responsiveness (trills). They may have improved substantially since then, I don't know.

Nevertheless, with 12 years of lessons behind her, it certainly sounds that she's going to know a good piano from an average piano. I also think Yamaha's have very good actions. Therefore, based on my experience with PR's, she's not going to like them because of their actions.

That said, I am with the two ladies who suggested you choose the "benefit of the surprise" rather than the piano itself. It would be quite a shame if, after planning this great surprise, it turned out not to be such a great surprise afterall.

Derick (messed up my "real" account)

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#263418 - 10/13/05 02:37 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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mjg100 said:

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"A grand piano for $1988.00. Is it a kit, that you put together yourself?"
Not by the pictures you won't. It shows even two perfect J.Prambergers among them.

For Can $ 1,988 they're an incredible deal.

The dealers toll free is 1-800-661-1801

You can buy over the phone.

norbert
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#263419 - 10/13/05 02:38 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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double post. sorry.
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#263420 - 10/13/05 02:40 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
justme Offline
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Norbert,
Are you familiar with this dealer? Is he reputable? How long have they been around? Is there a website?

Not that I'd buy a piano over the phone. :rolleyes:

Thanks,
Peggy
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#263421 - 10/13/05 02:43 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
JLDS Offline
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Registered: 10/12/05
Posts: 5
Loc: Quebec
Maybe it's just me,

but this sounds too good a deal...

I'm having a hard time trusting it.

Julien.

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#263422 - 10/13/05 02:49 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by JLDS:
Maybe it's just me,

but this sounds too good a deal...

I'm having a hard time trusting it.

Julien. [/b]
No, it's not just you. Something stinks about it. I wouldn't trust it either.
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#263423 - 10/13/05 02:51 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
justme Offline
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BTW, Julien, my ex-husband surprised me with a piano. It's a nice piano. He bought me a Korean piano so it's not low end but it's not high end either. I have to say, I'll treasure it to the day I die.
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#263424 - 10/13/05 02:53 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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I don't comment about other dealers.

But by their picture ads - including 10 new they're unbeatable.

Anyone just call and inquire him/herself.

1-800-661-1801

norbert
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#263425 - 10/13/05 02:57 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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Loc: Portland, OR
Norbert is just having a little fun. The grands for $1988 will be a digital. Oldest trick in the book-
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#263426 - 10/13/05 02:58 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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very funny. Not.
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#263427 - 10/13/05 03:06 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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Hey, look at the web site Norbert posted. Every line has "new grands starting at $1988" and when you click on the photo you get a nice view of a grand piano ....without a price tag \:D

How do you spell "bait and switch"

Having fun, Norbert! \:D
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#263428 - 10/13/05 03:09 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
Norbert Offline
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No, they're *not* digitals.

They show clear pictures of specific and indentifieable grand pianos.

And the ad for each piano specifically states
$ 1,988 - or *less for cash*

It couldn't be "bait and switch"

To advertise such product CONTINUOUSLY -
week after week[/b] - you must at least *have* one.

Anyone call to inquire.....

norbert
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#263429 - 10/13/05 03:20 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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Loc: Southwest
loss leader? get you to call then drop the bomb on ya.... no we just old last one buuuuuuuuuttt....

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#263430 - 10/13/05 03:54 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
JLDS Offline
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Registered: 10/12/05
Posts: 5
Loc: Quebec
I thought I would find some help on this forum, not a scam... Luckely most posts where helpfull. I gess you can't avoid the eventual oportunist...

BTW, Norbert still hasn't told us his ties to this "GREAT" bargain dealer...

 Quote:

Norbert,
Are you familiar with this dealer? Is he reputable? How long have they been around? Is there a website?
Julien

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#263431 - 10/13/05 04:00 PM Re: Pearl River's... any good?
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Loc: Midwest of the great USA
I bit. Spoke with a very nice gentleman. The store apparently is a piano dealer & SEWING shop! States has been in business 55 years. He stated these are actual pianos with names including Kawai & Yamaha that are "substantially cosmetically damaged" but play "fine" & come with a "full factory warranty". They are either freight damaged or floor models. Cosmetically they could be a 3 out of 10. Some are simple liquidation of a dealer who had 5 stores. Many are from the USA (California, but not Samick he said) & the manufacturer doesn't want them sold in California competing with their regular (undamaged) stock. There are a few a month (1 or 2) that are that low price, the rest are pianos that are very "aggressively priced".

If I lived there & was in the market for a piano, would definitely check it out.

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