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#102346 - 11/07/06 01:26 AM Steinway 1098 used is it a bargain or a name?
painoparent Offline
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Registered: 03/27/06
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It this piano a good piano for a family (3 kids). I found a 1977 not played for $6,900. It is more then I wanted to spend but it sounded nice and I thought we could resell later if we moved up to a grand. Help I am overwelmed. My daughter seems gifted on a piano and we thought this might be it?
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#102347 - 11/07/06 02:01 AM Re: Steinway 1098 used is it a bargain or a name?
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Steinway uprights are not spoken much about on this forum. Most forum members consider them not to be that good value for the money. I have also understood that some of them can be hard to service and that they may be difficult to tune.
Then, of course, Steinway is always Steinway, and they are not really bad instruments. I played a really nice Steinway upright once. I don´t think that the 70s is their best era. Also, I understand that restoring an upright is usually not as profitable as restoring a grand in terms of the increased value of the piano, even if it is a good brand.

I would suggest that you try to find a slightly used piano from good makers like Grotrian, Förster, Sauter, Seiler or Mason & Hamlin, but maybe those would be above your budget. Otherwise you could try to find a slightly used Schimmel, Yamaha or Kawai.

For $6900 you may be able to get a new Bohemia, which I found to be a very nice piano for the price.
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#102348 - 11/07/06 08:46 AM Re: Steinway 1098 used is it a bargain or a name?
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Any recommendations for Yamahas? The other makes you memtioned I have not seen but I will search. I saw a Yamaha in the paper for 2,900. It is a U1 should I look for a U5 instead? Thks
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#102349 - 11/07/06 09:35 AM Re: Steinway 1098 used is it a bargain or a name?
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Loc: Kansas
i've found the 1098s to be excellent practice pianos.. i was always impressed that the 1098s i played were so stable and sturdy... (practice rooms in a conservatory in spite of being played for 10 hours a day) there are many good practice pianso including the Yamaha U3 (i suppose a U5 is better) and my fave the Charles Walter vertical (check it out definitely) and others.

you have just enough money to purchase an excellent piano if you choose wisely. the 1098 might have been in an institutional setting and be quite worn in spite of what it said. a good way to check to see is an almost 30 yr. old piano has seemed some use is to look at the hammers and see how grooved they are. i myself would try and find the excellent Charles Walter.. the action on those pianos is very similar to finer grands.

it seems the going rate for used 1098s is 7000 no matter the condition.
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#102350 - 11/22/06 09:26 PM Re: Steinway 1098 used is it a bargain or a name?
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Registered: 09/19/02
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Steinways are never bargains, but they do hold their re-sale value. We bought a used (1976) Steinway 1098 for $7,500 a few years ago (3 kids). It had been reconditioned and sounded and played great. It was more than I wanted to spend for an upright, but it sounded so much warmer and fuller than the Yamaha U-series, Petrof and Charles Walter. Also, our 30-year old 1098 looked no different than a brand-new one that was going for $21K. We love it and have been very happy with it.

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#102351 - 11/23/06 10:10 AM Re: Steinway 1098 used is it a bargain or a name?
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Registered: 05/03/06
Posts: 2818
Loc: western Wisconsin
You'll need to get out there, see and play lots of used pianos first. At that price you can be shopping really good used uprights and good quality new ones (in larger sizes).

Personally (as you can see others disagree with me) I'm not a fan of the model 1098. It's too small, and the sound quality isn't that great (most of my experience has been with new ones). The 70's weren't really considered a good vintage for Steinways, either. The K52 is a wholly different animal (in a good way). Some techs don't like to tune them. True, it may be easier to resell a used Steinway than another brand.

I would strongly suggest you get your hands on a copy of Larry Fine's "The Piano Book" along with the annual pricing supplement if you haven't done so already. It will have some good information about different makers' instruments, some good buying advice on shopping for used pianos, and some myth-busting regarding what you may hear from piano salesmen. Some people (especially here) go a little overboard scrutinizing his piano "rankings" and "tiers" though.

The Yamaha U-series uprights are their best upright models. Generally, the higher the number, the larger the piano. The 48" U1 is a very popular and durable piano. U3 and U5 are the same size (52") with slightly different features and cabinetry. It's impossible to say what's in good condition/is a good deal based on something listed in the paper. It is my experience that the price and condition of many used pianos is often overstated by the seller.
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#102352 - 11/23/06 12:30 PM Re: Steinway 1098 used is it a bargain or a name?
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Registered: 10/22/06
Posts: 159
Loc: Dayton, OH
Just go with whatever feels and sounds best to you. You should consider the steinway, but before you buy it you must play other pianos to get an idea of what else is in your market. Every piano (even if they are the same brand and model) has a different character, so be sure to play all of them. I'd be sure to play the Charles Walter uprights as well as the Yamaha U series as others have mentioned.

Also, always take time to play the most expensive piano in the store, it'll be fun and also allows you to guage what kind of piano you will be aiming for.
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#102353 - 11/23/06 02:02 PM Re: Steinway 1098 used is it a bargain or a name?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by ryan.greene:
[...] You should consider the steinway, [/b]
I would agree with this only [/b] if you have the piano thoroughly inspected and "approved" by an independent piano technician. Considering the piano on name and sound alone - particularly a piano of this vintage - does not seem to me to be a good move.

This may now be "water under the bridge", too, since this post was started a few weeks ago.

What's the current status of your search, painoparent (sic!)?

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#102354 - 11/23/06 02:03 PM Re: Steinway 1098 used is it a bargain or a name?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by ryan.greene:
[...] You should consider the steinway, [/b]
I would agree with this only [/b] if you have the piano thoroughly inspected and "approved" by an independent piano technician. Considering the piano on name and sound alone - particularly a piano of this vintage - does not seem to me to be a good move.

This may now be "water under the bridge", too, since this post was started a few weeks ago.

What's the current status of your search, painoparent (sic!)?

Regards,
Regards,
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#102355 - 11/23/06 02:03 PM Re: Steinway 1098 used is it a bargain or a name?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by ryan.greene:
[...] You should consider the steinway, [/b]
I would agree with this only [/b] if you have the piano thoroughly inspected and "approved" by an independent piano technician. Considering the piano on name and sound alone - particularly a piano of this vintage - does not seem to me to be a good move.

This may now be "water under the bridge", too, since this post was started a few weeks ago.

What's the current status of your search, painoparent (sic!)?

Regards,
Regards,
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