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#29193 - 01/24/08 12:05 AM Should I buy Perzina?
jcfenfen Offline
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There is a piano store closing down and they are having a sale. The Perzina Mahagony Grand G187 is selling for about 14,000, is it a good deal? Or should I buy Yamaha C2? Which one has a better quality? Does anyone have experience with a Perzina piano? It's a less known German piano made in China but the parts are pretty good.

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#29194 - 01/24/08 12:52 AM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
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Lots of stuff on Perzina here, pro and con. Just hit the search button and enter Perzina. You'll have great fun, but while information about verticals in plentiful, there isn't much on the grands.

BTW, is the shop that's closing the Piano City location that got nailed by the runaway truck?
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#29195 - 01/24/08 02:17 AM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
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No, it's Larrick in Sacramento.

I did some search on Perzina in this forum, but not too many about Grand piano, mostly uprights. I am not familiar with this brand, and many people have cautioned about Chinese pianos, so I am just wondering what should I watch out for if I am going to buy it?

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#29196 - 01/24/08 02:42 AM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
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A lot of the dealers who sell Perzina do not stock the grands, only the verticals. That's why you don't find much about them. 187cm is a lot of piano for $14k, but honestly, this price sounds more like a standard discount than a once-in-a-lifetime liquidation price.

Perzina is no more a 'German' piano than I am the Queen of England, but that's irrelevant. Chinese grands that compare in size and price with Perzina 187 and have achieved a greater degree of popularity in this forum are the Hailun (or Steigerman Premium) 178 and the Nordiska K. Brodmann is a Chinese maker with a 187 grand, but that model would be more expensive.

It's understandable to be cautious about Chinese pianos, especially at your level of spending. It would be good for you to compare the Perzina, the Hailun, the Nordiska, or any others you find against the Kawai RX2. The Kawai is a little shorter (178cm) and a little pricier, but would be a good benchmark for comparison.
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#29197 - 01/24/08 03:21 AM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
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Thank you so much Turandot for the great and prompt advice, really appreciate it.

One thing I am concerned is that when I played the Perzina in the showroom, one of the key was loose. That kind of weakens my confidence in this brand because it's a new piano, how can it get loose so early. What I like about Perzina is that the sound is very rich and also the way they make cabinet is very detailed.

Can you give me some tips or things to watch out for when purchasing a grand piano? Thank you so much

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#29198 - 01/24/08 03:54 AM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
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I played one of these grands a few months ago and thought it was very nice for the size/price, esp. sound, but at the time I didn't know too much about the brand.

I went back to the store this last week and they had sold it (although many other grands were still on the floor) and were waiting for backorders for more. However, they had in the meantime replaced their entire assortment of Kawai uprights with Perzina uprights and said that they would from now on be only selling Perzina and Bosendorfer grands new.

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#29199 - 01/24/08 10:17 AM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
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Jcfenfen,

The thing I would look out for in a new Perzina is whether it is even throughout, both in tone and in action response. Play something in all ranges of the scale. See whether you like the tone in the mid and the treble as much as you do the bass. See if your hands feel equally comfortable with the action response everywhere on the keyboard. These are important in auditioning any new piano I guess, but I think with Perzina it's especially important to get beyond what is admittedly a very fine bass in judging the piano.

A loose key is probably just something overlooked in the preparation more than a deficiency in the maker.

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However, they had in the meantime replaced their entire assortment of Kawai uprights with Perzina uprights and said that they would from now on be only selling Perzina and Bosendorfer grands new.
I guess Ron Bol carries a big stick in the homeland. \:\)
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#29200 - 01/24/08 11:04 AM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
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Originally posted by turandot:
BTW, is the shop that's closing the Piano City location that got nailed by the runaway truck? [/b]
The owner of Piano City, Steve Lynn, is a good friend of mine. We spent some time talking at NAMM.

Not only did a runaway truck smack into his one of his stores (located adjacent to a freeway ramp), but this is the 3rd time it has happened!!
Once it was the result of a high-speed chase.

I suggested that, when he rebuilds, he should incorporate a bulls-eye into the design of the storefront.

Needless to say, he was only mildly amused! ;\)

BTW, Steve is one of the true professionals in our industry, and a really nice guy!
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#29201 - 01/24/08 12:26 PM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
skradke Offline
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I own a Perzina Grand, and I do love the beautiful sound, and the touch. The touch is a bit stiffer than other pianos I've played, but I prefer it that way. I play it all the time, and love it, but there are two things that are bugging me now. One is that one of the damper pedals does not come all the way down sometimes. The issue is that the problem is intermittent, and I can never get it to happen when the tuner comes out, so it hasn't been fixed yet. The other problem I saw is with the pedal. When I press the pedal down, the top part of it it is actually hitting a piece of wood underneath the piano. It had been like this all the time, I just didn't notice because they had put a piece of felt where the two pieces were hitting so I couldn't hear it before. So I either have to get them to fix the pedal right, or just get a thicker piece of felt where the pieces are hitting.

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#29202 - 01/24/08 02:32 PM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
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It's a competitive market out there in the retail world.Hey,if you can't beat their prices,take the whole store out. Rough times = drastic measures. Maybe College sale ringers can expand their services to the Piano hit squad. Don't get no ideas ,I was just joking
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#29203 - 01/24/08 03:32 PM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
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Originally posted by turandot:
I guess Ron Bol carries a big stick in the homeland. \:\) [/QB]
??? You and I both know that despite the German "heritage" and the Dutch owner these pianos are as Chinese as Tja Sieuw?

Having said that, this particular dealer made a point of saying "our customers today are really only interested in purchasing high value Austrian-German products. That is why we have stopped selling much Japanese..."

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#29204 - 01/24/08 04:01 PM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
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??? You and I both know that despite the German "heritage" and the Dutch owner these pianos are as Chinese as Tja Sieuw?
Yes, of course. I was commenting on the fact that all the Kawai's had been replaced with Perzina's in a shop in the Netherlands. The pianos are Chinese, but is not Ronald Bol a homeboy?
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#29205 - 01/24/08 04:29 PM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
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#29206 - 01/24/08 07:28 PM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
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Direct answers:
1. Good price on the 187.
2. Yamaha C2 will be much more expensive.
3. Buy the C2.
4. Yamaha has better quality.
5. Nothing German about it.

I have serious reservations about spending that kind of money with a dealer going out of business. Who do you talk to down the road for service and warranty issues?
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#29207 - 01/24/08 08:00 PM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
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First of All Larrick went out of business already. Somebody took over and continued this on-going "out of business sale".

Perzina is just another piano made in China. EVERYBODY who's selling Chinese pianos always link the piano to Germany. This is a way to justify the fact that it is made in China and perhaps give you confidence. That Perzina piano won't hold up as well; Chinese pianos give you a false impression in showrooms, usually these pianos decay faster over the years.
Use logic: something must be compromised in order to make it cheaper. It is not just the low-pay Chinese labor there's a lot more to it in order to make a cheap piano.
Yamaha is a well stablished brand and much better quality.
It's worth it spending a little more and buy the Yamaha. (Don't buy a grey market)
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#29208 - 01/25/08 03:07 AM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
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Perzina is the only Chinese piano that Larry Fine has deemed as being in tier 3 (all the rest, including the brands that turandot has mentioned are in the lower tier 4.)

It's probably true that the piano will decay quicker, but you never know. There is a point when something is so cheap that even if it will not last as long, it is a good deal.

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#29209 - 01/25/08 03:28 AM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
turandot Offline
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Wiz, I don't have a Fine update. Hell, who needs one with you here extolling the power of numbers instead of playing the pianos. But I have a question for you. Does Fine talk specifically about Perzina grands or does he just rate all the Perzinas together?
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#29210 - 01/25/08 09:38 PM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
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I think that he was only rating the uprights, as Perzina was not making grands at that time (?).

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#29211 - 01/25/08 09:57 PM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
turandot Offline
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Perzina grands have been around a few years, Wiz.


Does anyone else know if Fine treats the Perzina grands and verticals separately?
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#29212 - 01/26/08 10:51 PM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
jcfenfen Offline
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Registered: 01/20/08
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Loc: California
Thank you all very much for sharing your opinions and experience with Perzina, that really help me a lot in deciding the piano. I will keep looking and share my experience with the baby grands on the forum too.

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#29213 - 01/27/08 11:34 PM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
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Fine does treat the grands and verticals separately. He put the verticals in category 3a and the grands in category 4a

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#29214 - 01/28/08 02:11 AM Re: Should I buy Perzina?
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Thanks Rontron. \:\)
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