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#31920 - 07/21/08 10:16 PM Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
LangJaiRay Offline
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I went to several piano dealers and I've been offered both these pianos for relatively the same price, new for ~$6500. Which one would be the better choice? I've heard Kawai has better technology but Yamaha is still more well known.

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#31921 - 07/21/08 11:24 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
turandot Offline
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Both of these have the same largely meaningless MSRP price, so in theory the discounts you have been offered are equal. However, if prices reported by new U1 owners on this forum are correct, it would seem that U1 prices are under pressure and that 6500, while not a bad deal, is not a killer deal.

The venerable U1 has had a very long run for Yamaha. The new T118 from Yamaha / China is probably applying price pressure to it from below, and the new YUS1 may be on course to supplant the U1 as Yamaha's professional upright. Industry pros in the Yamaha foodchain who post on this forum would probably know something about that, but that doesn't mean they would chat about it here. \:D

If it were me, I'd probably choose the U1 because its action is to my liking and it's as comfortable as an old shoe. But that's certainly no basis for you to choose it.

The K5 is a more contemporary piano than the U1. My sense is that Kawai really is trying a little harder with that piano than Yamaha is with the U1. If the touch and tone are a wash for you, I think the K5 would give you a more sophisticated and advanced piano for your money.
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#31922 - 07/22/08 12:53 AM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
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Lets not forget that the Kawai has the Millennium III, which isn't to put down Yamaha.....probably the only company that builds instruments, motorcycles, engines, home stereo equipment...and a whole lot more...
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#31923 - 07/22/08 01:35 AM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
tanjinjack Offline
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If price is the same, then ask your fingers and ears about it. Which tone is more appealing to you, and which actions are more responsive or suitable to you. Some might prefer a light touch but others may opt for a heavy one. Generally Yamaha has a brighter tone while Kawai has a mellower tone.
Nonetheless, Kawai should have a slight edge for having the Millennium III action which is unaffected by humidity.

Anyway, do you consider any other brands?

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#31924 - 07/22/08 08:50 AM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
Naked Shaman Offline
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Registered: 02/25/08
Posts: 96
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For my hand and ears the K-5 beats a U1 by a long shot. Actually no comparison as far as I am comcerned. Go for the Kawai.....

Naked

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#31925 - 07/23/08 03:24 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
Blondie1967 Offline
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Registered: 07/22/08
Posts: 31
Loc: Missouri
I guess I will offer the oposit opinion. I love my U1!

 Quote:
Originally posted by turandot:

If it were me, I'd probably choose the U1 because its action is to my liking and it's as comfortable as an old shoe. But that's certainly no basis for you to choose it.

[/b]
I respectfully disagree. These are very valid reasons to choose the U1. Then again, am I the only one that felt the Kawai action to be less than responsive? I'm new here so I'll shut up and listen. \:\)

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#31926 - 07/23/08 03:55 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
turandot Offline
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Blondie,

Please don't shut up. \:D

I just stated my reason why I would choose a U1 between the two alternatives. Of course there are many other reasons why other people might choose a U1. The point is that no one should really choose any piano because it's another person's choice.
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#31927 - 07/23/08 03:56 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
Graybeard Offline
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Registered: 11/10/05
Posts: 219
Loc: Greenville, SC
Careful Blondie. Kawai bashing will make you very unpopular here. Just say you're sorry and you wish you'd bought a Kawai because most people have Yamahas, they're so common. Better yet, say what you really wished you'd bought was a Walter. Oh yea, welcome to the Forum. ;\)
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#31928 - 07/23/08 04:17 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
Blondie1967 Offline
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Registered: 07/22/08
Posts: 31
Loc: Missouri
OMG, I didn't know of the holy Kawai grail \:\) \:\) \:\) \:\) \:\) . Will the piano gods forgive me?

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#31929 - 07/23/08 04:26 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
turandot Offline
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Blondie,

It's fine for you to like your U1. It's fine for you to say that you like your U1. It's fine for the rest of us to have our own opinions.

It's not fine for you to make cracks about the people who might prefer Kawai.

Maybe you should just shut up.
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#31930 - 07/23/08 04:29 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
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#31931 - 07/23/08 04:38 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
Blondie1967 Offline
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Registered: 07/22/08
Posts: 31
Loc: Missouri
Please accept my apology. My last post was merely tongue in cheeck response to graybeards post of me. I mean no disrespect.

Then again, it seems so many people are very rude here. I really thought this forum would be fun... \:\(

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#31932 - 07/23/08 04:53 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
Blondie1967 Offline
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Registered: 07/22/08
Posts: 31
Loc: Missouri
 Quote:
Originally posted by turandot:
Blondie,


It's not fine for you to make cracks about the people who might prefer Kawai.

Maybe you should just shut up. [/b]
Still looking for where I did this...

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#31933 - 07/23/08 05:53 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
turandot Offline
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Hey Blondie,

There is no Holy Kawai Grail here. An industry veteran with the extra Y chromosone was just playing off your Yamaha endorsement to take a swipe at Kawai. Check his tagline.

No harm, no foul. But beware of industry types using your posts as a platform. Some of them here will play you like a cheap fiddle if you say something that suits their purposes.

All it comes down to is that some people would choose the U1; others would choose the K5. So what else is new? Maybe the OP will tally the votes and buy accordingly.

\:D
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#31934 - 07/23/08 06:02 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
Blondie1967 Offline
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Registered: 07/22/08
Posts: 31
Loc: Missouri
 Quote:
Originally posted by turandot:

No harm, no foul. But beware of industry types using your posts as a platform. Some of them here will play you like a cheap fiddle...
[/b]
So you attacked me?!!!
No harm no foul?!!!

YOUR JUST MEAN! \:\(

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#31935 - 07/23/08 06:14 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
turandot Offline
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 Quote:
I'm new here so I'll shut up and listen.
But you didn't, did you? You walked right into buying the Holy Grail garbage. Then you dropped by the U2 thread to give a thumbs-up to a dealer who sold a 33-year-old U2 to an unsuspecting customer for $4400.

Take your own advice and listen (read) the full context before you post knee-jerk responses. The place is open 24 hours a day.
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#31936 - 07/23/08 07:40 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
Poisy Offline
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Registered: 01/23/08
Posts: 73
Loc: Michigan
When I was looking at a K5 and U1, I like the K5 better because it had deeper bass but we ended up with a U1 because of the $800 less. I think $6500 is a little high for a U1.

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#31937 - 07/23/08 08:45 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
Ken Knapp Offline



Registered: 04/18/06
Posts: 2278
Loc: Pennsylvania
Both Yamaha and Kawai make fine pianos, as do many other manufacturers. \:\)

I've been to concerts and heard Kawais and thought they sounded great.

I took lessons on a U1 and I liked that piano so much I bought it.

turandot has a valid point in that a piano purchase is something very personal and the bottom line is how you like the piano - do you love the touch and the sound?

And welcome to the forum Blondie1967!! \:\) I think you'll find some very nice people on here.. And have some fun as well!

Ken
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#31938 - 07/23/08 09:43 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
cah77388 Offline
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Registered: 12/03/07
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Blondie, no offense, and since I can't hear a tone in your voice, going by what was typed....it is almost as if you came in here looking for a fight. There is no Kawai Holy Grail...there is no Yamaha Holy Grail, we all have our thoughts, opinions, and we all know that they are different. The forum is fun in a strange way, and there are very nice, and informative people who lend a helping hand at any time you need. One shouldn't however, cut their nose off to spite there face.
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#31939 - 07/23/08 10:34 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
Ken Knapp Offline



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That's the problem with the written word. Without facial expression and tone of voice to go by it can sometimes be difficult to get across what you really mean. \:\)

There have been times where I want to reply to a post and have to think about how I am going to say what I want to say for quite a while before I get it right.

When I don't, there is a big chance it'll be "open mouth, insert foot". \:D

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#31940 - 07/23/08 11:16 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
snoopycar Offline
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Registered: 10/17/06
Posts: 976
Loc: Singapore
oh don;)t be too serious guys, just don't be too easily offended either.

To really know which piano is better or score higher, we need a robot player.

Mr roboto will play a selection of classical/comtemporary/jazz

He will plot a parento chart
plots tone timbre vs loudness
keystroke accel vs dB
His spectrum analyzer will report tone eveness
All 88 notes fundemetal and partial plots.

but you have to pay USD50,000 for the lab time, excluding piano rental and master tuner

With this concrete discrete test result, the winner is clear. yet it is still highly debatable due to every individual have a different ear/sensor response \:D

totally meaningless
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#31941 - 07/23/08 11:23 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
snoopycar Offline
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i had a dream ....

this piano shop is so nice, he lets me take to piano home to trial for 2 weeks. End of 2 weeks, i can decide U1 or K5... plus he will throw a 1st birthday(ownership) party with a 1pound blackforrest cake ...

what a excellent service!
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#31942 - 07/24/08 02:52 AM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
TheCaz Offline
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Registered: 07/12/08
Posts: 224
Loc: Simi Valley, CA
The real truth, LangJaiRay, is horrifying. It's that there is no clear, definitive answer to your question. It is purely subjective based on your ear and sense of touch. But now comes the good news. You can't make a mistake with either choice.

If you choose the Kawai though, I would then look at the K-3 with an eye towards saving a few bucks ....

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#31943 - 07/24/08 03:23 AM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
snoopycar Offline
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Loc: Singapore
That's right.
Both are good choice.

Burger king or McDonald
Mushroom Cheese or BigMac
Toyota or Honda
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#31944 - 07/24/08 08:45 AM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
Blondie1967 Offline
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Registered: 07/22/08
Posts: 31
Loc: Missouri
 Quote:
Originally posted by turandot:
[QUOTE] Then you dropped by the U2 thread to give a thumbs-up to a dealer who sold a 33-year-old U2 to an unsuspecting customer for $4400.

[/b]
I gave him thumbs up for offering to take the piano back or exchange it. I'm not looking for a fight here, turandot. Why are you badgering me? You have even gone as far as to bring another thread into this one when they are unrelated.

You know, every other forum I have ever participated in has a moderator that would have already dealt with a bully. You, turandot, are a bully.

PS: I did go back and add lots of smilies to my holy grail comment(thanks for the tip, Ken). I would have thought such an absurd comment would have been taken as a joke. Again, to any offended Kawai people I offer my sincere apologies. I actually owned a Kawai 902T! Traded it for my first grand, but I liked it very much.

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#31945 - 07/24/08 10:10 AM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
turandot Offline
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Registered: 01/27/07
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Loc: torrance, CA
 Quote:
I did go back and add lots of smilies to my holy grail comment(thanks for the tip, Ken). I would have thought such an absurd comment would have been taken as a joke.
Blondie,

This is getting silly. Here are a bunch of smilies for you. I threw in an extra one for good measure.

\:\) \:\) \:\) \:\) \:\) \:\)

Why don't you tell us about your first grand and your U1 and why you like the Yamaha action. Meanwhile I'll go backstage and sharpen my horns. \:D
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#31946 - 07/24/08 11:35 AM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
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Posts: 224
Loc: Simi Valley, CA
This HAS gotten out of hand, especially since the K5 vs U-1 debate is religion not science. Both are fine instruments, even though the K-5 won't go out of tune as quickly because it uses ABS plastic, and also has mahogany thingamajigs with reinforced felt. Then again, the U-1 has an overall brighter tone, smoother action, and helps you lose weight if you play it like Elton John in his prime or, dare I say it, Jerry Lee Lewis, cause everyone knows you play pop, rock, or jazz on the Yamaha and classical on the Kawai.

There! Are there any stereotypes I've missed? Wait! Neither have agraffes, so you should ditch both and get a K-6 or a Petrof. Then again, why pay European prices when you can get today's real Holy Grail ..... a Hailun [can you hear the violins in the background?), which has agraffes and is priced like a K-2. But yuck, the Hailun is made in China and uses basswood for the keys, not spruce ......

Now let's all be friends, and remember that whatever piano you get is better than not having one. So let's all have nice days. I'm off to research a used Schimmel ...

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#31947 - 07/24/08 12:36 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
Graybeard Offline
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Registered: 11/10/05
Posts: 219
Loc: Greenville, SC
This was my fault & I'm sorry. I usually type up a smart a-- reply to some posts, look at it a second, have second thoughts & then just erase the whole thing. For some reason, this time, I hit the button. This really is like arguing religion. Please, for godsake, let's lighten up.
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#31948 - 07/24/08 01:29 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
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Registered: 04/23/08
Posts: 314
Loc: Iowa
 Quote:
Originally posted by TheCaz:

Now let's all be friends, and remember that whatever piano you get is better than not having one. So let's all have nice days. [/b]
Very well said!

Bravo, TheCaz!
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#31949 - 07/24/08 02:04 PM Re: Yamaha U1 vs. Kawai K5
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