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#895350 - 12/25/04 11:11 PM a
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#895351 - 12/25/04 11:25 PM Re: a
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Man, I hate nights like that.

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#895352 - 12/26/04 12:27 AM Re: a
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I'm glad you still have a hint of taste by admitting that disaster.

If you're going to Bible-thump, I will thump my principles as well.

Perhaps, when you are older, you will stop accepting beliefs without a proper logical audit of its legitimacy. People will take advantage of you if you don't fix your deficient facility to reason.

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#895353 - 12/26/04 12:36 AM Re: a
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#895354 - 12/26/04 12:38 AM Re: a
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What insult? I'm trying to help you, just like how Christians help Atheists, but in reverse.

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#895355 - 12/26/04 12:42 AM Re: a
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By the way, you are Bible-thumping. If you weren't, you would have included "WARNING: CHRISTIAN SUBJECT MATTERS" or "Super secret message to Christians" in the subject line. Then, I'd have no complaints.

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#895356 - 12/26/04 12:48 AM Re: a
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#895357 - 12/26/04 01:04 AM Re: a
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HAHA \:D

yhabpo, you make my head hurt
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#895358 - 12/26/04 01:16 AM Re: a
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So far I find Kents council the most helpful. :p

yhabpo, perhaps NAK was just doing a type of the "mind experiment" that Einstein dabbled in. Set up a situation and think through to how it might turn out. Set it up again a little differently and see how that might turn out. Repeat as needed. Or, off course,* he may have just been playing around with a gift he obviously has, in which case we should just watch and see how that turns out.


* I left the extra-" f " typo in there because it's a kind of word play thing that makes you read once and think twice, which is what poetry often makes us do.

I thought it was an good effort, NAK.

Bob

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#895359 - 12/26/04 01:56 AM Re: a
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RKVS1, that is a thoughtful, and dare I say, timely answer.


;\)

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#895360 - 12/26/04 02:10 AM Re: a
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#895361 - 12/26/04 07:18 AM Re: a
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NAK,

Write what you want and post what you want. Your poems are great and they will even get better with time. You have a beautiful talent, please don't ever compromise it. Never let the bitterness (and there is a vast and unyealding bitterness in some of the posters here,) of others affect your art.

Always learn from criticism--never pay attention to hecklers. Life is too short and real talent to fragile.

Have a great New Year.

Tom

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#895362 - 12/26/04 08:04 AM Re: a
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I prefer to believe that a merciful God would have taken him home to heal, not to burn.

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#895363 - 12/26/04 08:12 AM Re: a
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Not bad. If you sell it to Hollywood, you'll need an alternate ending. Try this:

Finally seeing his folly
on that cold and hard deathbed,
he prayed for Jesus' mercy,
and to heaven he was led

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#895364 - 12/26/04 08:19 AM Re: a
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\:\) I like that!
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#895365 - 12/26/04 08:21 AM Re: a
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The pastor stepped outside the church
after the crowd had gone,
and noticed as he locked the door
the scene out on the lawn.

A man, it seemed, had been run down
by a family in a car.
He'd died that night
lying in the snow,
after drinking in a bar.

As they carried him off
the pastor thought,
"I've seen this man before.
He came up to the church
just earlier tonight -
He came through our own door!"

"Who he was, I cannot say,
I didn't even ask.
All I did was sit him down
and take away his flask."

"Then I went up into the church,
Along with the rest of the crowd,
And preached and sang of God's peace and love,
We sang out warm and loud."

"When we were done, the man was gone,
We never even spoke.
Perhaps I should have sat with him
And watched him till he woke."

"Perhaps I should have talked with him
and asked where he was from.
Was he from here, or far away?
But I just saw a bum."

"Did this man have family
that waited for him at home?
Should I have helped him home tonight,
instead of letting him roam?"

"I could have done so many things
to help this poor dead man.
Instead I preached and sang with force
of things from which I ran."

"If my heart had acted in a way
as loud as my voice had reached,
perhaps this man would still survive -
I should have practiced what I preached!"

"We're told that, at times, we meet an angel
when we least expect,
I wonder if I've neglected one
and not offered him proper respect."

The pastor worked his way back home
and had an uneasy night.
He dreamt a scene that made him sweat
and wake up with a fright.

He'd dreamt that he had passed away
that same eventful day,
and found himself in the depths of hell
for neglecting the man that way.

The pastor truly loved the Lord,
and faithfully his flock he led.
He only needed to be reminded
that faith without works is dead.

He sat upright in his sweat-filled bed,
and as he did slowly recline,
He felt an awful, damning chill
extending down his spine.

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#895366 - 12/26/04 08:24 AM Re: a
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#895367 - 12/26/04 08:28 AM Re: a
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#895368 - 12/26/04 08:28 AM Re: a
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Up a bit "yhabpo" said:

"I'm glad you still have a hint of taste by admitting that disaster.

If you're going to Bible-thump, I will thump my principles as well.

Perhaps, when you are older, you will stop accepting beliefs without a proper logical audit of its legitimacy. People will take advantage of you if you don't fix your deficient facility to reason."

And I would like to say.....er, ah...if it's alright....ah, "Amen"
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#895369 - 12/26/04 08:35 AM Re: a
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Way to go DWAIN![/b].

Looks like you've "got the power"* in spite of the storm.

Bob


* triple entendre? (wordsmith, spiritual, electrical )

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#895370 - 12/26/04 09:12 AM Re: a
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Dwain...brilliant response to NAK.
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#895371 - 12/26/04 09:27 AM Re: a
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Originally posted by Ann Marie:
I prefer to believe that a merciful God would have taken him home to heal, not to burn. [/b]
I agree. I just can't see a merciful loving God sending people to hell for all of eternity just for a few mistakes they made on earth.

Personally, I don't believe in hell the way most Christians do. I believe that hell either simply does not exist or is just a state of mind, just leftover mental anguish and suffering from a person's life. When a person becomes "evil" he does so because of experience, not because he is inherently weak and immoral. It takes a series of really unfortunate events for someone to become "evil".

This could also be why suicide is considered a "sin"; the person who commits suicide feels nothing but emotional pain at the time he kills himself, and that emotional pain carries over into the afterlife. Thus, by this theory, it is possible for a soul to get out of hell.

And if I'm wrong and the Christians are right about hell... then oh well. Just about everyone I know and care about will be going there in that case, and we're all going to throw a huge party \:D .

But good poems, by the way. Despite any disagreements in beliefs we might have.

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#895372 - 12/26/04 09:45 AM Re: a
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Here's one NOBODY will like!

Yabo died, and it transpired
That soon his soul was bathed in fire
Satan laughed, "You are my own!"
And all Yabo could do was cry and moan

"The fire's so hot," Yabo yelled
But such are conditions in the pits of Hell
Yabo sighed, all hope was gone
He now was the toy of Devil's spawn

Yabo's throat was parched, his skin was burned
Because God's love was meanly spurned
For all eternity he will cry
Because it was in sin that Yabo died. \:\(

\:D and note the " \:D "!

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#895373 - 12/26/04 09:57 AM Re: a
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#895374 - 12/26/04 10:00 AM Re: a
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Back to the trenches folks, if there was a Christmas Truce it has now officially ended.
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#895375 - 12/26/04 10:00 AM Re: a
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I think I need to make a follow-up to the poem.

I was not writing to refute NAK. I never denied that the drunk who rejected God ended up in hell. In retrospect, I should have added a line that said that the pastor actually saw the drunk in hell - in a way, making his own suffering at failing to minister to the man even worse.

My only intention was to flip the situation around and tell it from a nearby, but different, viewpoint. And I wasn't trying to reproach anyone for their actions. To be honest, I mostly wrote it to identify concerns about myself and shortcomings in my own life of faith.

The point was that if a Christian concerned with the spiritual life of another person doesn't address a person's most immediate needs, and reach out to them in a non-judgmental way first, then any efforts that he might may make - no matter how correct - to point out to them their need for salvation just sounds - correctly - to be self-righteous, and the listener will assume that the speaker thinks he's less of a "sinner" than the person he's speaking to. We're all under the same judgment, we're all - saved and unsaved - equally sinful. The best way to help an unsaved person turn toward God is to give that person a good example of a life truly changed by having allowed God to work within it, and which expresses God's love. That doesn't refute NAK's poem, it just adds another layer to the story.

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#895376 - 12/26/04 10:37 AM Re: a
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Originally posted by Tom--K:
NAK,

Write what you want and post what you want. Your poems are great and they will even get better with time. You have a beautiful talent, please don't ever compromise it. Never let the bitterness (and there is a vast and unyealding bitterness in some of the posters here,) of others affect your art.

Always learn from criticism--never pay attention to hecklers. Life is too short and real talent to fragile.

Have a great New Year.

Tom [/b]
AMEN!!!!!!!!!! As he said, don't compromise becuase people are afraid or intolerant of what you have to say. Just show people the truth any way you can!
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#895377 - 12/26/04 10:56 AM Re: a
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Dwain Lee:
My only intention was to flip the situation around and tell it from a nearby, but different, viewpoint. And I wasn't trying to reproach anyone for their actions. To be honest, I mostly wrote it to identify concerns about myself and shortcomings in my own life of faith.[/b]
Understood, Dwain...that's what I thought your intention was all along...but poetry is an inherently ambiguous medium, so I understand your need to clarify your poem's meaning in prose. \:\)
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#895378 - 12/26/04 11:26 AM Re: a
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Dwain! That was awesome! I did get it too - that it was a continued story - from another perspective, not something refuting NAK's poem (which was also quite good).


\:\) Jodi

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#895379 - 12/26/04 11:50 AM Re: a
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NAK, quite good.

...and Dwain, I'm squirming in my seat!
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